Welcome to Nacho Fitness Coach, where we're all about keeping it real in the world of fitness. I'm Sarah, your go-to fitness professional cutting through the BS to bring you the truth. And I'm Kaylee, your fitness newbie, here to ask the questions you're too afraid to ask. From crunches to kale, we've got the inside scoop on what works and what doesn't. Because fitness should be fun. So Kaylee, what do you like to listen to when you work out?
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They even have Podbeat for Android users in the Google Play Store. Okay, on to the show. So Kaylee, I feel like we need to go straight from fat balls to feet. Is that a good transition? It's an obvious correlation, I think, scientifically between fat balls. And feet? And feet, yeah. Don't ask me how. I don't think that's even a correct statement. Is it true? How are they scientifically correlated? Is there a white paper or something? Whatever those things are called. You're the expert.
I mean, I just noticed that you've got your swarrows on tonight. So I do. I love my swarrows. Uh huh. We have them. We're twinsies. I should have worn mine tonight too because you had them on the last time too. We have several pairs of same-sies shoes. What? Well, these and our Flux. Oh yeah, we do have our Flux. Yeah, which made it on our cartoons. Yeah, that's what we're wearing in our cartoons. Yeah, our hot pink Flux. We do like those. I do like those. I'm just trying to be like you.
You found both of these. Yeah, you copied me. I mean, the Flux was popping up on my Instagram ads because they were from, they're in Kearney, right? Isn't that the whole deal? Yeah, locally. So those are good shoes. Those are great shoes. Although I will say, and I think I realized after the fact, remember I told you that they were designed to be worn without socks? Yeah, and I don't really get that because- I think I was wrong.
I think the ones that we ordered are not designed to wear without socks, but I think since then they came out with a type- Ones that are, because I would say the rubber sole on those when you get sweaty or not great. I tried to wear them without socks and it was not- I wear them without socks just around the shop. You don't wear socks. I don't wear socks. So I do wear them without socks, but I would not choose to run in those. Do your feet just smell horrible all the time? Do they? I don't know.
Do you want to smell them? Yeah. That's so- My kids do get stinky feet because they also don't wear socks and especially my three-year-old, she's still rear-facing and I'm a little bit of a clean freak with inside of my car. And so I don't put her in her rear-facing car seat with her shoes on. Wow. So I take her shoes off every time she crawls into the car and so that way she can stay rear-facing and it's not on my seat at all. And so hers do get kind of fresh. The rest of them have theirs on.
For a while I had two that were rear-facing and so I was doing that with both of them and yeah, I would get a little, you know, number two would be in the back seat. Yeah, feet without- Why does it smell like stinky feet in here? I'm like, well, because I took their shoes off so they don't mark up my feet. Feet without socks. I would rather have a marked up seat then, but I also don't drive a $80,000 vehicle. There we go. I would rather take care of my mom bus as much as I can.
Some things we're just, we wear the same shoes. We don't drive the same vehicle. It's fine. You also only have two kids. Yeah. I mean, I couldn't fit all of my children in your vehicle. Your Jeep probably. Does your Jeep have a third row? No, it's just two. See, so I mean, I just really didn't have a choice in the matter. We just needed more available spaces for car seats. I'm really crazy about car seats. You made the choice to have kids. Yeah. Nearly half a dozen children.
Yeah. And we do make the choice to be very picky about car seats. Like they're all still in car seats, high back boosters, and we're kind of anal retentive about that for sure. Yeah. So we needed to have a vehicle big enough that they could be in their car seats correctly buckled in safely. I get it. All of those things. Anyway. So we're going to get to the children's room and we are then going to move from the episode last week into shoes because I didn't know it was your saguaros. Mm-hmm.
It's my second pair of saguaros. Yeah. I like them actually. The kids wear them because that's the one barefoot shoe that's reasonably priced. They're like $40. They come in kid sizes because so many of them, you don't have toddler options and they are super fabulous. And so then I just throw them in the washing machine. Like when they get a little too stinky, like I wash them and let them dry. But I've got my field grounds on which I equally do love as well.
Just because they're a little bit more of like a loafer, you know, but either wide. And so as I looked down, I saw your shoes and my shoes and like, oh, we should talk about a picture that I recently saw. And I know I can't remember time out just in case we have listeners who do not know about our preference for barefoot shoes. Yeah. Let's give a quick rundown. Yeah. I am a huge proponent of barefoot shoes and I'm trying to look back now really quick to even go back and remember one episode.
It was season one. Yeah. You don't freaking know that. Actually, I do. It was season one, episode 12. No, because that was 75 hard. Season one, episode 12 was 75 hard. Didn't we do a shoes one? I feel like we called it. Hold on. Let's do season two footwear. Oh, but we recorded this at some point recorded it while we were recording season one and we did. So but we put it in season two and it's episode three and it was a footwear episode.
And so we talked about shoes at that point of us talking about it. Had you ventured into the barefoot shoes yet? Yeah. You had introduced me to barefoot shoes because when I met you, you were wearing the silliest. Oh yeah. My V brims, which I love those. They're like glove shoes that they've got the toes individual compartment. They're shoes, but it's like toe socks, but shoes. I don't wear toe socks. I don't wear socks. Well, I'm just trying to.
Yes. If you were to wear socks, you do have to buy special socks that you have a special compartment for each toe. Yeah. Just so, so silly. It does freak some people out, which is actually kind of funny to see people's reactions because I can tell the ones that notice it and the ones that don't. These have like, it's just like they're flirting with it. Yeah. Which is why Gavin won't wear them. Oh really?
Yeah. Because I think at some point somebody made, you know, he's at the age where he's paying attention to other people's comments. And so he's like, no, mom, those look like they have toes. And I was like, but they don't. So I do wish their rubber was a little bit more smooth across the front. I've had people ask if they like, are those water shoes? I do think some people maybe use them for that. I don't know.
I love these shoes, but anyway, so barefoot shoes are essentially their shoes with a wide toe box because traditional shoes that we wear nowadays, these days is that they have a narrow toe box where it's like scrunching your toes together in a very unnatural way. And eventually your toes just become like that. And that is the case for most, especially in Western society.
Yeah. And then when you look at our general overball, health, mobility, overball, overall, overall ball balls, that balls still on my mind. But when you look at our overall health and wellness and, you know, there's a big grounding kind of thing that's real and, you know, having your feet on the ground, natural.
And you know, and like the yoga world, they talk about like being able to like root into the ground and spreading your toes and all the things in your gait changes or how your feet move on the ground will change your knees, your hips, and how everything kind of stacks up from your feet. And so if you're starting to have issues with your feet, it can cause so many other problems. And how many of those problems are caused by the shoes that you're wearing? Yeah. It's a real thing.
The shoes that are out like available to buy that people are buying because that's the shoes that yeah, Nike's, Adidas, you know, they're narrow. Allegedly. They're very, very narrow. They're messing up our feet. Yeah they are. Big time. And then you're trying to run like a lot of those things. You're like, okay, this is my running shoe. Right.
So now not only is your foot restricted in how it's moving, but now you're trying to go do something physical and active and like running, you're putting an extra 12 to 15 times force of gravity on your body and on your joints and then it's not actually moving correctly. When you think about like a newborn baby's foot. Oh yeah. They're wide. The way that their toes are. They're like a display.
And then over time throughout your life, like you look at my feet, even now still I've been wearing barefoot shoes for a couple of years now, a year, year probably. And no, my feet and I have bunions because I've been there. There are people that say the bunions are caused from shoes. I have no doubt about it. It has to be. Yeah. Look at the way that shoes are designed. Like my, my toes have been crammed into these narrow little toe barkers. You do.
You look at any baby, any toddler, their shoes, their feet do not come out looking like that. No, at all. They're not bent. You don't have that huge bunion, like all of the things like pop, whatever. So the other thing about barefoot shoes generally is that there's a zero drop, right? Zero where your heel and your toes essentially hit the ground at the same level, right? More like in a pair of Nikes, you're going to see like your heels actually higher, higher up.
Usually I think, yeah, it's just like not a level. No, there's a percent grade that it will be enough difference. And the other thing too, that's kind of crazy about running shoes with tons of cushion is a lot of them will roll your gate in or they'll roll your gate out. So if you have a natural foot motion, but then you pick a shoe that is the other way, how that will create issues too. And it affects your knees, all the things, all the knees, the hips, ankles, all of the things.
So, you know, when I was running a lot years ago, I started having IT band issues. And you know, in that runner's world, they're like, okay, go get fit for new shoes, make sure it's a half size bigger. You know, maybe you need custom orthotics. And of course, when you start training for like a longer race, you don't want to miss the race due to injury. So you get to a certain point where like I'll try anything just to be able to do what I started off to do to finish.
And so I went through everything about new shoes, because also to running shoes, they'll have a mileage expiration on them. You want to make sure that you're paying attention to that. And then, you know, there I was like, okay, so went through, switched out the shoes, still having the issues, went and had custom orthotics made, still having the issues, went to an orthopedic surgeon and they gave me a, oh my gosh, what are those shots? The it's not quarter zone shot. Is it a quarter zone shot?
Yeah, a quarter zone shot. All of a sudden I was like, quarter zone is what you rub on your skin, right? But yeah, but you can get a shot too. Okay, well, that's what the quarter zone shot. And they, you know, to try to put it in my joint or whatever. And when, so then I was having all these issues. I think the race was done and why haven't some of my family lives in California? Well any trend starts naturally on the coast and it takes years before it hits us in the Midwest.
She was visiting in the summer. I was talking about my issues and all the things and she had, she was wearing the V-brums and she's like, I used to have so many ankle issues and I don't have them any now because I've switched to these barefoot shoes. And I was like, huh, I wonder, I'm going to do that. And so I went cold turkey, swalls to the walls, the wall, cause that's just kind of my MO in general and swapped straight for the V-brums.
I think at one point in time I had six different colors, all the things. Cause then I would wash them. Cause again, I don't wear socks. They get stinky after a few weeks. Rotate them through and I have not had an issue with my knee since. So I jumped on the barefoot bandwagon, you know, oh my gosh, how long ago would that have been? 15 years ago? Decades. 20. Holy cow. That was a long time ago. It is decades. You were not wrong. So 20 years ago that became the thing.
And then the V-brums hit and that was probably only 15 years ago. Cause I feel like I had met my husband at that point in time cause he bought a pair, you know, and we just, I haven't looked back since now. I don't, I don't. She don't wear shoes that are not barefoot. I don't rarely, rarely see you in a pair of shoes that aren't barefoot shoes. I've been on it for about a year, I guess. Yeah. I've been on it for a year. My issue has always been flat feet, very flat feet. I have zero arches.
Yeah. My ankles almost like, well not even almost, my ankles cave in. Yeah. And you always hear when you have flat feet, you always hear like get shoes that have a lot of arch support, which basically means like fabricate an arch. For something that's not there. Yeah. Force it into your foot. Which that sounds super comfortable. That was horrible.
And you, you know, so when you, when you even started talking to me about barefoot shoes, I was like, well, I, that's not an option for me because I don't have. Right. I have arches. But I have never, since I switched, cause I would have an IT band issues too before I switched. Yeah. Haven't had it. Well, I did have an issue during our 5k. Yeah. That was flared up a little bit. I think that was the last time I had an issue with it.
I mean, I will say the ones that have the thinner soles like the saguaros or the V-brums that are just really kind of like a straight like rubber, a thin rubber sole, those are not great for running on gravel or like trails that say have white rock, like the crush rock can be fine. But if you have like big white rock parking lots, they do get a little uncomfortable if you're, if you're walking in that.
So it's good to have some options, but no, I have got, and I found a bunch of different like the Vivo barefoot and now this is, these are just the field grounds. So there's some different brands that are piping up. What's crazy though is a lot of these are overseas. Like they're in Europe. Yeah. So if you order them, it takes forever to get them because they're having to come from another country. We don't have a lot of great options here.
Now the flux is US based and the story to that one, it was an old Reebok designer and that he spun off and he's created this brand and they are zero drop, but they do have cushion on the bottom. So they've got some rubber. Yeah. They've got, for the most part, it looks like a normal shoe. But from the top it is, you can, you can tell the difference in the wide toe box. It is kind of like a, it's almost like a clown shoe.
And I hate to use that term, but it is like a, well, but you know, your natural shoe, your natural foot is wider and bigger. And so it's just, and the, the materials that they use in are a little bit more like of a stretchy kind of material. It's not restrictive by like leather and the stitches and all of the things. So they're easy to slip on, slip off. I mean, I've had a lot of the casual shoes.
I do like these that I have on right now because they are more of like a comfy, casual loafer looking thing. Um, see, I have those fit kicks. You remember when I ordered those? Yeah. I mean, have I seen those yet? Yeah. I wear them all the time. They're like, they look like a, people are like, why are you wearing socks? Oh yeah. Yeah. Those are kind of a slippery, but it has a rubbery rubber bottom. But then it looks like a little sleeve on the top. Yeah. I wear them everywhere.
I know they're so comfortable. Yeah. So now that you have no arches, have you had any problems with your feet since you've made the switch? No. I mean, cause they do suggest for some people, like my husband used to have issues with, oh my gosh, what's one of those foot issues they have? You got to tape your arch. Falling? No, it wasn't falling arches. What did he deal with?
And so they'll say, if you do have feet that aren't great now, or you've gotten your deal with something to ease into them, you know, you can start with just wearing barefoot shoes for an hour or two and then switch back. And then the next day, I didn't have any issues. I just started going for it. Plantar fasciitis. That's what I was going to say, but I didn't think it was right. Yeah. It is. I'm tired. She's like yawning over here. I'm like, oh, okay, there we go.
We're just going to keep rolling through it though. I mean, come on now. I'm here. So we love barefoot shoes. I love barefoot shoes. I've been a huge proponent of them for a very long time. I think people underestimate the issues that it creates or like we also are a barefoot house. Yeah. Mostly because for me it's a germ factor. It's my OCD thing, but that at least forces us to walk around with our natural bare feet while we are home.
You know, if you're wearing your shoes all day and then wearing your shoes all day at your house and you're like constantly supported and then you wonder why you're having foot issues. That's just one of those things. I might tell you why. That's so just like accepted by everybody because there's some people I've talked to about barefoot shoes and they're like, no, that's looks silly. I'm going to pass. And I'm like, but it's better for your foot.
So here's the actually that people really just don't care. Why would they want to be better? I don't know. You know, they complain about feeling like garbage and everything hurts. But then when you actually tell them the most simple answer of what it would take to feel better, they're like, no, that looks stupid. I don't care. I don't care either. I will look dumb as much as possible because guess what? My feet are good and I feel healthy and all of the things.
So I did see a video recently though that it was actually a post and now I can't remember where it popped on. I'm sure it was an account that I follow, but they did a video not only about if your shoes are restricting your feet, but are your socks restricting your feet? Yeah. And that is a thing. And so what they did was they took and this is, you know what? If you don't believe us of how big of a difference it makes, you should do this exercise at home just for funsies. Because I mean, why not?
So they put like a white piece of paper down on the floor and they put their bare foot on it. And then they use, you know, just like you do when you're in elementary school and you trace around it. So you're like, okay, this is like, I'm standing up. This is my natural foot and here's whatever. Then go put your sock on. And see how much it changes the shape of your foot. And then put it back down in that exact same spot and then trace around that and then try all the different ones.
So I mean, they, they did Reebok. They did, you know, all of like your basic socks that you would put on and they traced them and they were all, and then they shaded in the area that was like different, like how much it was restricting it into the middle. And so the only one there was like a finger toe, like a toe sock, you know, that has your individual toes. Then obviously that was the same.
And there was one other one that I feel like was a barefoot sock kind of, barefoot socks that was close, but it still was not, it was still not exactly like crazy the way it should be. And so, yeah, I mean, it was really kind of interesting to me because I just, it seemed like I hadn't considered as much, I guess about the socks, right? Because, okay, fine. You don't wear shoes at home. Every morning when I put socks on and I think I probably shouldn't be doing this. Sarah wouldn't do this.
Sarah wouldn't put socks on. But I also don't want my feet to smell like Sarah's, you know? But you don't know that mine smell. I imagine that they do. Let's do it. I don't want you to smell. She's just taking her shoes off. No, I want to smell them. Get it up here. I mean, they smell like my shoe, I feel like. But do you think that's any worse than yours? Do yours. You're gonna do it first and then I'll do it. No, you do it first. I mean, that still smells too. You can't reach it?
Smells like a sock. Yeah, it smells like a foot. It does. It smells like the inside of my shoe. So it just depends, you know. I know. If I would actually, I mean, I haven't washed these since I got them. Oh. Does yours not smell? It smells like your detergent. It's your detergent. Yeah, this smells really like. Do you want to smell her shoes? She was coming over to get a whiff. Do you want to smell? I don't think you want to smell. It's a contest.
Yours smells like your detergent because you're wearing socks that you just washed. Mine does not smell great. It doesn't. I knew it. I had a suspicion. But it smells like the shoe. Well, it smells like the. I mean, it's. But this is also why I wash mine regularly. I do like the Pepsi challenge. I don't think I think you'll very clearly know like which one is which. I mean, that smells like laundry detergent because she's got her socks on that she is. See? Yeah, there you go, Kaylee.
It's my mistake. It smells like shoe shit. You meant shit. Oh, see, I was like, it's not bad. He was expecting it to be way worse. I think I just. You're a farm girl. It smells like a farm. But a farm. But yeah, I'll take that. I grew up on a farm. Yeah, it does smell like a farm. But I'm not mad about that either way. I'll take it with pride. But anyways, I mean, your socks are newly laundered and so you clearly don't use unscented. No, I don't. Popcorn that's under your. Um, yeah, sorry.
There. I mean, so if I just watched mine, I'm sure it wouldn't be as bad. And then so the last time that we did an episode about feet, I introduced you to the world of you introduced me to barefoot shoes. I think, right? Well, not well that to selling feet, selling feet pictures. Have you made much money on that? No, of course not. But I did actually have a chiropractor once tell me that I did have night like good feet compared to.
You can tell like my feet compared to your feet like you have like, like you can tell that I have not spent. Yeah. As much. I mean, yeah, they're good feet. I'll take them. I pay for those. I mean, would you? Well, shit, maybe I should be me. But yeah, I mean, you can make money on those. I spread out like my toes. I was actually like pounding my toes on the ground. They don't like showing that I have a toast. I don't know. They call it something where you're like, you know, your toes.
Play, play, play, play. Sure. Oh, man. You know, there we go. But I do think I did think that was really interesting video that when it popped up, I was like, oh, yeah, you know, people we talk about shoes a lot. But then it's like, what are your socks? Because even if you say don't wear your shoes in your house, you get home, you kick them off. Well, if you've been wearing the same socks all day, then you're still just as restricted as you were before and just as restricted.
Well, it depends on the shoes you're wearing. That's not what your goals are. You know, depends on what your goals are. So, you know, I mean, I think it's something that's worth an investment. I think it's something that is worth changing if you're having issues. I think it's a thing worth considering. If you have, yeah, if you have foot issues, if you have knee issues, if you have. And we even have like slippers at home that I was very particular about.
I was like, OK, if we're going to get slippers for like when it's cold out for like warmth or whatever, I have found ones that are just like leather on the bottom and leather on the sides and like really super wide and oversized, not ones that are basically like a shoe with a rubber sole and all the things because I'm like, OK, just because I want to wear.
I got ones that are they are rubber sole on the bottom, but then like the whole top is like it's kind of like not fuzzy fuzzy, but like a soft, but it does have like a nice wide like a wide like a moccasin kind of. Yeah. Or like a little slip on. Well, that's the thing. Like when my kids were little, what were they called? Robbies or something. But they were just like a like a leather Robies. Yeah. The leather moccasins. They were in that for the first couple of years.
And then I switched to Crocs. I mean, Crocs are really great thing for kids because they do have the extra wide kind of toe box. I just bought my. But now I have the sorrows for the first time, like a few months. And they weren't even like actual like name brand Crocs. They were Crocs. Yeah. But that was always like my biggest flex as a parent was that I had never bought my kids Crocs and then I broke down because we do take Wando. What's wrong with Crocs? I just think they're super, super ugly.
Well, I thought you just said you don't really care what shoes look like. Well, I care about that. I care about what my kids have standards. I've never had a pair of Crocs. Oh, I love my. I don't like them. But every time I see like a tick tock or a video of like there are you have the Croc charms. Yeah. Stick them in little holes. Yeah. I'll give you a few. You can buy those that are little Bluetooth speakers, stick little Bluetooth speakers in your Croc shoes.
There are like a headlight you can stick in your Croc shoes. Remember the ones I sent you that was like a little snowplow for your class just to go out and just why not just all so that's so it is kind of silly. Mine are actually air walk brand because I think the air walks were just enough. Like the foam on them is a little squishier. Really? I feel like they were comfortable, like a little bit more comfortable. The Crocs are a harder rubber to me.
So yeah, I think I mean, Payless isn't even a brand of stores anymore that's open, but I have the air walks. Is there no more Payless? I don't think so. I think they've all closed out a little bit. But I mean, it knows where do you find air walks that they were like they're 20 years old. I mean, they're back when I first moved to Kansas City and I was playing softball a lot. And that's the thing.
Like we would play all day all weekend long, slow pitch tournaments and you would play a game so you'd have your cleats on. Well, I didn't want to have to take and I also couldn't put dirty socks back on that just drives me nuts. So I was like, if I've got these socks on, then I'm just keeping them on. So a lot of us would wear Crocs then because it was the easy way to take your cleats off, but then I have to take your socks off. That's what I bought the girls. And they're airy. Taekwondo.
Yeah, just go in and kick them off. Yeah, I have to do the whole. Yep. The whole like thing and like the on and off and when they kind of slip on and slip off. So but yeah, I just I think it's a good topic and I think it's worth checking out if you if you haven't yet ventured into that world. Of course, I highly recommend. I would agree. I concur. And if you want to see Sarah's feet, subscribe to her only fans. I don't have it.
But if you are interested in purchasing feet picks, then I mean, I'll I guess can I can you do that? You probably need to run that by your husband. It's just feet and it's money. Can you get paid for that? Well, you know what they're doing with those pictures, right? No. They're just admiring them. They might they might put them in a nice oak frame or something. You don't know what people are buying feet picks for. No. So, you know, Ellen knows what I was like.
I don't think I would be educated on this because this is not what I was expecting for it. I didn't know. I didn't really know this was a thing in the first place, but I definitely didn't know. It's a fetish. Well, I understand the fetish, but I literally thought it was just like that you like looking at them. But no, apparently there's more to it. No, they don't just look at them. OK. Well, that's weird. It's good money. That's why I said you should probably run it by your husband.
OK. Well, maybe I won't be doing that. I mean, I definitely do not have an only fans anyway, so it's fine. But she does have an only fan. I do not. I remember this is like the one account that I have accounts for a lot of other things, but that is not one of them. She does. Maybe I should. She does. He made one for me. There's enough pictures out there that I like. Don't Google my name. You have plenty of free content for a while. Sarah Sutherland. I'll be like somebody should catfish me.
And then it's like, oh, wait, it's catfish. I'm going to be like, oh, my God. You shocked me. OK. Well, are we done? I think we are. OK. Well, I think it's time for us to go. Right. I think we are. OK. Well, I think it's time for us to go. Right. I think we are. OK. Well, I think it's time for us to go. Until next time. Hopefully we get it together. We're clear, but yet we're not. Thanks for listening.
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