Welcome to Nacho Fitness Coach, the podcast where fitness is more about fun than form. I'm Sarah, the fitness expert who lifts heavy and loves a good challenge. And I'm Kayleigh, a newbie who runs more for survival than sport. We're here to remind you that fitness doesn't have to be serious, but we definitely take the snacks seriously. So if you're looking for some laughs and a few questionable fitness tips, you've come to the right place. Welcome to season five.
Hey, welcome back to Nacho Fitness Coach. Oh, hold on. No, hold on. Just really quick. We got this. I got it. We just got an email from a listener in our inbox. I want to address real quick. Hold on. Okay. Dear Kayleigh and Sarah, big fan of the show. Big fan of the show. Just have a quick question. Do you guys have medical personnel on site during recording in case Sarah ever slips and falls off of her soapbox? That's a great question.
Listen here at Nacho Fitness Coach, safety is of utmost importance. We have Anu Allen. Yes, actually. We're always looking out for that medical hat as well for the safety and well-being of Sarah. It's a high, high soapbox. It's up there. Careful. You might hurt yourself. I have plenty. I have plenty of soap boxes, but you know. All right, so we decided before this episode that I was going to go on. That was by the way, I don't think a real email. It was real. Kayleigh created maybe that one.
It was from Dustin712. Thank you for your question, Dustin. We'll send you some merch. We'll send you a promo code to order your own merch from our shop. These are the questions people have. Well, you know, at least they're listening. I haven't turned them all off by now. Not them. The others don't matter because they're not here anymore anyways listening. Listen, we discussed before we started this episode that we were going to I was going to go on a bit of a sidebar.
Right. Because I just there was no way to tie this into an episode. But we have talked in the past a little bit about just the influence of social media. Yeah. The algorithms and the way. Are you OK? No, I know you tried. You tried to bully me into sitting like you on these chairs. And I was like, I don't know if my legs go like that. Flexibility and mobility. It's not that I'm flexible. I just have muscle in the way. OK. And so. OK. So there we go. That's better.
So I wanted to talk to you about this. OK. The thing that happened to me recently came on, I don't know, so on TikTok. Well, shocker. OK. All night and I had teenage dirt bag. Yeah. Stuck in my head. I've been seeing it. The reason I have it stuck in my head. I've had it stuck in my head a lot over the last couple of weeks because recently one of the members of One Direction passed away. Yeah, I saw that Liam Payne. Yeah. OK. I didn't know who Liam Payne was.
Is that who sings teenage dirt bag was one not originally. Sweetest sings it originally. Oh, but they cover it. One Direction covered it. OK. Concert only. Oh, I didn't know any of this two months ago. OK. Here's what happened. OK. I got on on TikTok. You know, Liam Payne died and then, you know, just my nature. I kind of like went down a rabbit hole. Stayed on those TikToks, I guess. Sure. And so TikTok decided like, oh, this is the content that she wants to consume today.
So I didn't even know all the members of One Direction. No. Now I do. There's five of them. Yeah, five. OK. And now I know all the members and I know all of their family members and I know all their likes and dislikes. I mean, complete profiles, birth dates. It's crazy. Yeah. Were they the one that Simon Cowell put together? OK. They were like the first boy band, right? The heat ball. No, well, it was in saying but the first one they were later. They were like they were like 2010.
But they put but like in sync and Backstreet Boys put themselves like together in a group. No, Lou Pearlman put them together. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, OK. I didn't know any of that. I'm not a boy band kind of girl. So yeah, no, Simon Cowell put them. I also didn't know that two months ago. Now I know that. I know I know how they broke up. I know which member left the group. It was Zayn. OK. Left the group originally. Totally. But so I really went. I went deep.
I was so sad about Liam Payne passing away. I didn't even know who he was. I was texting my friend Bree. I'm like, oh my God, this is so terrible. Like I was, you know, and then and then they let the paparazzi be at the funeral. Oh, dear. Because that they made a deal. That's how deep I got. They made a deal with the paparazzi that you can come and take photographs and videos, but none of his son. You can take as many pictures as you want.
So all the other four members were all there crying red face. It was devastating. It was so tragic. But it's just crazy because I didn't care about any of this shit. And it really I don't. But you did. Tick tock decided that I do. And therefore I did. And it really is really sad. Now you're in it. You were invested. So it's yeah. I was never a big One Direction fan back to Teenage Dirtbag, because yes, they did a cover. And you have been singing it like between episodes.
Yeah, I've been watching. I've been watching the video of their cover of Teenage Dirtbag. Is that any good? Yeah, I like it. Yeah, maybe we'll pull it up later. Maybe we'll think about it. So anyway, what's this fitness podcast about? That is actually interesting. It shows you the power of influence of social media. And algorithms deciding like what they should make you think. Oh, they're smart. It is crazy. I mean, that's the thing where it's like you've got to be careful.
I mean, that's why I think I'm so anti against kids having social media. Because that right there, like you could innocently enough be watching like a video that just showed up on your dashboard. And all of a sudden it took you down that rabbit hole. All those emotions like that was somewhat like a positive story. I mean, it was like, OK, you got to know about the band. Sure. All the things. I'm fine.
I'm fine. But I'm also I'm old enough and mature enough to I was I was very aware of what was happening. But if you look at like how quickly that could spin like negative and then when your brain is like forming and you're growing and coming of age and all of the things and it's just like for sure. Holy smokes. Yep. Those things can be super powerful in a good way. They can be powerful in that way.
We'll just like the new version of chat GPT that came out, you know, and your husband's in here like scanning all the different pictures. And it's like, you know, about it. You take video and the chat GPT with AI will tell you what it is. He was he was making a video of Alan's roadcast. Soundboard. The thing that we record on. And he was like he asked Chachi BT, how do I turn this on? And it was like there's a red button at the upper right hand corner next to the power cord. What I like.
It's just crazy. And he was like playing like you couldn't find it. He was like, I can't find it. Where is it at? And it was like she very nicely like described it in a different way and was just like, this is how you operate this and have a great day. And it's just but those are those are the ways that AI social media, things like that can be powerful in a good way for sure. But just it can be bad. You have to be careful, you have to be very mindful.
It can be very mean and what you're watching and you have a you know, especially children whose brains are just not fully developed yet and how quickly that can overtake, which is not just children. It's till you're 25. Right. So if you actually kind of look at the years in which you are still well, we're here. Have you seen it with political radicalization and everything like it's wild.
I mean, you're basically getting all the way through college and probably possibly even a couple of years into a workforce before you're like, oh, I still have like, what is it the part of your like frontal lobe? Like there's a very specific area that helps with it doesn't form fully until no. It's like that's where it's even so much more important for parents, adults in lives of people that are 25 years of age and younger to be involved with helping them understand.
Like they don't know how to make decisions like they are not rational in their decision making ability until you hit that age. And even then, and even then it's very questionable for some people. Some people I just don't think ever get it. We're just, you know, you know, to each their own to each their own, you know. So yeah, it's just kind of crazy. I think that it's yeah, it's pretty awesome. So in a good way, but yeah, I can also be can be bad. It can be bad.
So on that note, on that note, I did actually find a meme that kind of popped up on social media and it actually kind of related to some recent conversations I've had where I've had an influx of people talking to me about what seems to be like one of the newer kind of like supplements to hit like the magic pills, magic pills to hit like MLM scheme of things.
And so last episode we kind of talked about just, you know, big rocks and really slick marketing and how it looks all like fine and dandy and things like that. But I mean, there are businesses that are just going to try to monetize or whatever they possibly can. And you have to be diligent on making sure you're still kind of like a player common sense, right? A little bit. And don't get me wrong. We all have our moments where maybe not as sensible as we probably could be.
So anyways, there was one that popped up. It makes me laugh because, you know, I mean, before we've talked about Dr. Spencer Nadolski and he is kind of like a go to person for me because he has an M.D. like he's a medical doctor. He was also a collegiate athlete. I think he wrestled and he is of the opinion where he's like, we're the group, like the docs who lift him and his brother. They're both medical professionals. They both have an athletic history. They feel like movement is medicine.
Yeah. And they, I do believe probably do a good job of working with our patients and prescribing, you know, food, exercise, all the things right now. He also then did, and I saw him first speak at a fitness, like a fitness summit that was probably eight years ago, maybe or so. In Kansas, it was a whole weekend long. There was experts that flew in all across the country. It was like two or three days long and you sit and you listen to their presentations.
And he was the first one of the weekend and they're sitting and speaking to probably, I don't know, 80 plus trainers in a room. They come in from all over and he was, his whole thing was he went through additional education to treat patients with obesity. And so that is kind of always been like the hat that he has worn when he looks at any of these things. He is like, obesity itself is a disease. It's not just that somebody's lazy.
Sure. Like obesity truly is a disease and it needs to be treated as such. So as he went through like his whole thing, he was definitely doing a lot of education. His final point when he did his talk was there's one thing that you can take away from me today in this presentation. As I'm talking into a room full of personal trainers, it is that you need to be empathetic to your clients. Sure. And with that, I think it's maybe time for a quick little break.
Find our Nacho fitness coach page on Facebook with username Nacho fit coach, where you can like follow and share our content. Okay, so we're back. Especially ones that are suffering from obesity, right? And just have empathy and don't just be like you're fat, you're lazy, move, move more, eat less. Which is just junk. Which by the way, if you have a personal trainer that has said any of those things to you, you probably need to find a new trainer.
They're probably not going to be the best ones for you. Whether you have obesity or not. I mean, really it is a much more complex kind of it's just not so black and white. It is not black and white people for sure. Because you know what this we're talking about things that are highly emotional and sometimes really rooted into like, oh, some past trauma or whatever else. I mean, there are reasons for everything that we do. And it's everyone's story is different.
And so as a trainer, if you're working with somebody just to have some empathy to get to know them and whatever, you're just trying to help them even if they're getting 1% better. Hey, you want their 1% better, right? Like just move the meter. So anyways, you know, he has now gotten on this kick. So you know, keep hearing people ask me about this specific kind of newer one that's hit the market or whatever you want to say. And it kind of spins off the buzz around ozempic.
Okay, which I think semaglutide, glp ones, glp ones, you know, there is a prescription version that has been prescribed from people that lots of people need help as of now for sure. I'm sure there's a lot and he he has been a fan of it because he's like, you know what? It helps. It helps if they can get you over that hump 100%. Now it's also doesn't replace still trying to learn some healthy habits, right?
Because nothing's magic because you can get on ozempic or glp one and you can, you know, drop however many pounds. Yeah. But if you're not changing your habits, you know, yep. So I guess if you're are you going to be on it the rest of your life, right? Which I don't know if that's even shown like any long term. Yeah, I don't know. That's the point of it. I don't know if we know that yet. As long as the long term. It's all I don't know how long you're supposed to be on it.
I don't know if you're on it. But if yeah, if you're not changing those habits, you know, I've known people that have got on gone on it just to lose 15 pounds. And I'm like, you could have done that. These aren't these aren't overweight or obese people, right? It's becoming so accessible. Yes, it is that you can hop on it for 15 pounds. But then what? Right. You're just going to gain it back 100% because at that point there's not there's probably not habit changes that are happening.
Right. And so the ones I have seen that have been successful and have been open to share their story, they have said just that they were like, this helped me. But I also did make this change, this change, you know, and like, My understanding is, is that it's not like it's the drug itself doesn't like burn fat or get rid of your fat. It essentially suppresses your appetite. So it's more of a calorie control. Well, here, let's take a look at what he has to say.
So he actually, he used to have this, this meme that he had created, which he's actually kind of a pretty good meme master, like he will come up with stuff. And so he used to have one that had it was for fat burners, because he's had the same opinion about fat burners, like it's a supplement that doesn't work to waste your money on it kind of thing.
And so I don't know if you remember because I mean, they're not having pictures taken of them together anymore, but there was a side by side of Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez, where it was like they were at a game and he kind of like leans over and it's like they're talking and then the next shot of them is like looking straight ahead and like, he's kind of smirking and she's just sitting ahead like super annoyed. So he's turned here.
He's turned this like meme into have you seen that one before? We're kind of like he's like he's leaning over and says something to her and then she just gets like super straight based afterwards. And so he updated it away from the fat burners and it says those GLP one supplements won't those GLP one supplements you bought won't do anything. And then her face is like, she has straight face like it's like she's pissed about whatever he said.
Now, I mean, those two pictures could have been taken 30 minutes apart. We'll never know that they were even related to the same person. But so this is what he says. I modernized this mean. They used to say fat burners, but the new rage is the idea of the GLP one activator supplements. They don't work, my friends. Save your money. Right. And so then he goes in because he always does a great job then of pulling it back into like the medical side.
Right. The GLP one receptor agonist medicines like ozempic have been engineered to be broken down by our body. Natural GLP one is broken down within a minute or two. We have drugs that prevent the breakdown of our own GLP one. But even those don't get don't result in weight loss. They do help with blood sugar though. So I've been getting messages about these new supplements daily. New lines are coming out. They are a waste of money.
I'm not talking about supplements that can help you with constipation or nausea that are promoted that are promoted to people taking GLP one medicines. It's possible some of those could be okay. Right. So you know I'm like all right you know it's just maybe they help with constipation or nausea. But so if we are we cutting our are we like name and names first and last year like for what the a certain company. I mean I think there's probably going to be a bunch of them.
I mean the one I know of right now is like the life advantage. Right. But I mean I'm sure if we just did a quick Google search well my advantage has been around for a long time. It is an MLM business model which you know you and I both were not big MLM fans in any sense. I mean there's actually now a GLP one nutrition dot com may are available to help manage weight and blood sugar and they interact with other is not as effective as the parmasucle drugs and that's just the AI overview.
I mean there's so many. Well I've seen I mean I've had people on my social media friends list whatever who have embarked on this life advantage GLP one mind body mind body GLP one system. Oh from like a edge claims it can increase your GLP one levels by 140 percent on average which GLP one is something your body naturally produces. Yeah that's what that's what Dr. Nadolski says yes. You know I had a blood sugar regulation and appetite. I told you I feel one's broken within a minute or two.
And so the thing is is this company they're comparing alleged we need to say allegedly allegedly they're comparing their product to nothing. They explicitly say you shouldn't compare it to prescription medications like Ozempic or will go be which are actual GLP one agonists. Right like what are we. And that's what he's saying like he's like the one we're not like this episode is not we're not ragging on GLP ones in general. Ozempic will go we know we don't we don't have a problem with that.
But it's these these MLM predatory companies that social media just real real GLP ones not in the same way that the prescription ones are right. These are these are FDA evaluated. The way they're making you have to take it all with a grain of salt. We could probably have opinions about the FDA though. You know let's we just won't go down that path but. When you think about MLM like they're getting like that's follow the money like it's we do talk about money. Holy smokes it is big business.
So even if they really believe in the product you know are they being honest or are they being salesy like their goal is to get you to sell underneath that for sure. And just just sell it and use it and build your teams. I mean those that's the most powerful. Part of the MLM is the recruiting right. Right. And you know what if it's a placebo for you and it's enough like OK fine you're you're putting money into buying these supplements and then it's enough that you're investing.
So you're choosing to make other lifestyle choices that are for the positive. Fine but at some point it's like OK yeah what why if you're having now money to spend two three four five hundred dollars a month. Consistently on supplements again let's go back to the big rocks. Are you doing the other foundational things consistently first. And honestly like when I say consistently first it's like most days of the week for like six to twelve months.
Yeah that is what I would consider then something that you've gotten. You don't have to be perfection like perfect. I don't mean perfect. I just need consistent most days of the week not every day. Not even like all week hours of all seven days like consistent as much as possible moving that meter and doing it for six to twelve months.
And you know what if you do all of that and you get to the end and you need a little something extra invest in yourself to like dial it in you think this is going to do it for you fine. But if you're flipping those two around that's where I think you're going to have a problem.
Yeah and you're going to waste a lot of your money along the way and most people who get involved in these MLMs like it is it is flipped around because it is you're promised a lot of things and then at the end of the day like you're really just paying for somebody else's upland commissions. You know and that's you're just a pawn. And I also feel like when you start seeing celebrities start your stuff that's also another red flag. It's such a big thing right now.
And to be honest with you we're seeing a lot of people people that I know in real life and then you know people in Hollywood whatever where people who have always been overweight are suddenly rapidly losing weight. Which is fine. I don't have a problem with that. It's it's interesting because that you can almost intuitively know. Yeah. You know like who's on it who's taking it because it's like oh you've been you know overweight for the last 10 15 years. Right it's just happening to everybody.
Yep it is. Well it is actually like it actually came up in another conversation that I had recently because it was like okay well Kelly Clarkson has lost like a lot of weight recently which I hadn't kept up with her ever which I adore her. I think she has a fabulous voice. It's been fun kind of watching her from American Idol her career all the things like she seems like somebody that you should just wish the best for.
Like she works hard she does all the right things and you know but then you've seen her through all of her stages of life because I'm pretty sure she was probably just a teenager when she won American Idol. She was young and her Carrie Underwood is another one.
They were babies and they were in the spotlight then as they kind of matured and grew up and whatever and then you get married you're pregnant you have kids especially for women like those stages of their life are hard and you never know how they're going to affect you. You never know that like when you have a kid how that's going to work afterwards and all the things.
And so anyways it just recently over dinner it was like well you know is that what she did to like lose some of her weight and actually she kind of did go the opposite route from everything that anyone is saying right now is that she just focused on herself and exercise eating better. Like from anything anyone has come out with she has not she says she's not not taking it.
Yeah you hear that and you're like oh you know she probably is you know at the end of the day it's none of my business it's none of your business. No whatever route somebody wants to take it's just that I just get concerned when it comes to the multi-level marketing you know as far as prescription I don't really I really don't care I really don't. And with that I think it's maybe time for a quick little break.
Be sure to check out our website at nacho fitness coach dot com where you can purchase merch and listen to all previous episodes. Okay so we're back. As a matter of fact I've almost had like FOMO about it I'm like I wonder if I could get on those I'm like I don't need to go. No you don't need it you're good you're good. What everybody else is. Yeah I mean. Last 10 pounds. You know what people forget is that oh yeah so it's like she said it was a combination of factors diet exercise.
She does take medication to help her body process food but she's also got a pre by pre diabetic diagnosis and autoimmune and thyroid condition so I'm sure. I'm so skeptical when it comes to this sometimes Kelly Clarkson like she's a massively famous person and I'm like she could she could lose the weight through whatever means you know maybe it maybe it is and we're getting to a point where who's to say what is the right way. No you know I guess that's not.
Yeah but what I mean what people are we to judge. We said judgment free zone. We know this. Yeah well but what people don't understand is like if you're starting wherever you're starting places to get started you're moving in the right direction that's good. When you get to where you think you want to go right. You know like OK but I want to go be great like yeah it gets harder to move the meter and like it's like steroids though.
I mean there are people who you know you just work out and you eat right. That's really only get going to get you to a certain point as far as building muscle and having those huge. Sometimes it just takes time and time and sometimes it just takes. There's some natural natural bodybuilders out there very many if they do it too quickly there's probably because it takes a long time to build muscle.
And you have to be super dialed in on your nutrition to do it without getting like super fluffy along the way. Which is fine and I think there are people out there that that that can do that and have done that but I think that more people than you would realize got that got there got a little bit of help. It's a little bit of help which is fine but you also can't you also can't do steroids and not do the work either. Right. Work that way you can't sit on your ass.
You cannot it doesn't just like happen for you like you still actually have to go do the work. It just makes the results come faster right. But you know it just it is harder. The closer you get to the goal you have to be that much more dialed in and that much more like clear on what you were doing. You have to give up more because it's a lot harder to go from you know average to good than good to great great to like whatever. Right. And you also your goals change along that process too.
So we're whenever you start your journey and you're like oh this is my goal. Yeah. Once you get to that goal you are not going to be happy with where you're at because you're going to come up with a new goal for sure. And then you're going to get there. And this is how the brain works. It's how the brain works. And you know it's just funny because I would have personal training clients they would come in and they would bring pictures of the people that they want to look like you know.
And it's like you can you can have that as a as a picture or inspirational board. Sure. You are not going to look exactly like that now because you're not her like it. Yeah. You know the same exact diet the same exact workout plan this. It's different. You're still not going to look every you know everybody has different bodies.
And you know people that come in and bring you that picture if I was to ask the person in that picture are you where you want to be they'd say no and they show you a picture of another person. They would show me a picture of another person and they would be like you know so that's also a thing that you need to kind of get out of your head is there is never an end goal. Whoever you think your end goal is they're also not happy with where they're at because they're going to change something.
But like that's just part of it. It is. So don't tell yourself oh I'm going to be happy when. Yeah. Or I'm going to be satisfied with because it just with your which I always think about like your story you've told about your fitness competition and how like you work so hard and you know this that and the other and then you can crashing you didn't win.
No. But like that's so messed up that that that it affected your psyche that much you know when you know because you really couldn't just be proud of like what you had done right which is really kind of crazy. I think any time I don't know I shouldn't say any time but I think a lot of times when you start getting into a niche that is body centered your mental health has to be incredibly okay. It's not. It's a journey. But I also feel like everyone's journey through that is different.
Yeah. Right. I mean I I think if I was to do it again I'm kind of planning on it. I think I would my head would be in a different spot. Yeah. But you know it's all part of your journey like there are going to be ups and downs you know it's not really different than anything else in life like it's not just this like solid line that's progressing like up and to the right like in a smooth line right. I mean anything that is worth having in life is a cluster to get there right.
You're going to spin around and go up and down and like any goal there's not a straight path right. I mean that's kind of the same with that too. Yeah. But yeah. My you against you. It does against but you know you're also getting put on the stage and you're literally competing against other people against other people. I'm saying like whenever you like the state the actual thing that you're doing is literally judging your body.
Yeah. I mean who you are as a person judging your physical body against other people like that's wildly messed up. It is wild. And if you're not mentally prepared to handle that or emotionally prepared to handle that you're not it's not going to go well. No but you don't know that you're going to be prepared for that or not. Right. You just do it like it's a weird. Yeah. It's a very weird thing for sure. I don't know if I can but I don't know.
I mean it also that doesn't have to be the goal but having a goal helps you have something that you're holding yourself accountable to whether it is signing up for that race whether it's anything it really doesn't matter what it is. But you know having a goal with a date and a reason can sometimes help you just enough to stay focused on what you're doing. Yeah. It will get you through the times that are a little bit more challenging you know. But all right. So anyway back to the GLP one.
Yeah. Maybe CD. You know I mean we know how we we know how I feel about supplements in general. Yeah. They are meant to supplement. Right. What. What are we going to be doing when it comes to these things when it's when there's an upline or commissions or things like that you have to be skeptical. And I think with anything like this any product like this you should be talking to your doctor first. You know this isn't something you just buy off your friend on Facebook and you know what I mean.
Yeah. I have a hard time. I struggle sometimes because I also feel like the amount of nutrition and wellness classes that medical doctors I know I know get in med school is that's and that's fair. Nutrition wise. But I'm talking about I'm talking about getting on a drug. Well that's true. But like I mean if it's a supplement. Yeah I mean you would want to make that's why these shouldn't.
They shouldn't be labeling these as supplements because it's not as it is though because it's not engineered the same as prescription drugs. They're trying to make you think that I know that's true. If you want to get on an actual GLP one probably medication medication should probably be through a medical problem. Probably be through your doctor and if you're buying it off of your friend on Facebook got it. That's where you're going.
You're going to get an actual GLP one and then like fine whatever take it but you're not on it's not a Zempik.
I mean yeah you know it's just not I just you know they are expensive though too and this isn't the first one I mean there's like all of the different are going to be out there that will be like you know the food replacement bars or I mean there's all kinds of there's a that's why we're here trying to get you you know to do like the monthly subscription thing and like it will never cease to amaze me how people will throw hundreds of dollars a month.
I've seen it on things and get really pissed off about a gym membership to thirty four dollars a month. You know what I mean and you just are like but you have one body take care of it. Move your body learn the basics like if you don't want to pay for a gym membership fine go out walk in the fresh air dialing your nutrition and that will get you probably 70 percent of the way there.
People don't want to do that food water figure out your food and just go out for you know walks a day for 30 or 45 minutes like that's going to get you pretty close to like where you need to be but my goodness. Was your watch tell you it's time for bed.
It was an alarm yeah but we have the same watch faces now which is like so cute so it's just like oh it's our natural fitness coach colors is pink and yellow and now that Kaylee is an Apple user she's teaching me all these fun things she's been playing with her new watch and I've had the same watch face for 10 years so anyways but that's you know that's it that's it skeptical just do due diligence and use some common sense and again if you're
not already doing if you're not doing the healthy things first save your money. Focus on that first and then this is geez back to our cupcake frosting frosting icing is the frosting so all right that's it that's all I got until next time bye.
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