MTGM EXTRA! "Should I...?"

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Hello and welcome to My Therapist Goes to Meet the Bonus episode with myself, Vogue Williams, and herself, Joanne McNally. Are you pulling a Vicar Street in the Apollo?

are you just living there now oh I know because we've added an eighth one I know it's bananas and it's on sale now by the way thank you thank you that was a very that was a very handy little segue for me well I looked at it and I was like well at least she'll be in London now for the year instead of Dublin it was Dublin for Prosecco it seems to be London for London it's well so Dublin's mostly John and March and then

There's a couple more London. There's three fresh Apollos now on sale for February. That's great. You have to come again. Do you know what? I'm going to come once in London and another time in Dublin. I'll give you a box on your own. It'd be great. Just you dangling out of a box. Woo! Trigger warning, trigger. Joanne's my trigger. What was that thing I said my therapist was saying to me? My tipping point. You're my tipping point.

Your tipping point. For lesbianism, was that it? No, not for lesbianism. For when I want to not have a drink, Joanne would, my tipping point would be zero. Oh, sorry. For lesbianism. You wish. I thought it was because you fancy me on stage. I do fancy on stage. I'll leave directly after the show and I won't touch anyone. I'll be like that man wanking off in the corner. It wasn't even the corner. It was full display. It was right in the middle of the aisle.

absolute bloody sick are you still in no wait where are you I am in London where are you oh I'm still in Dublin and it is absolutely lashing rain well I'm off today and when I say I won't be bringing it. This is work. It's kind of work. See, Vogue, that's what you and I differ. I enjoy this. You see me as labour. Excuse me, John. I actually enjoy myself more than you can imagine on here. Tell your face. I have to tell you, I'm going real far down. I'm touching off.

Flat Earth there, like, vibes here. I actually had to say to Sven there, I was like, because he's going to Antarctica, he's starting his run soon. Yeah, and one of them, yeah, one of them is Antarctica. Is he allowed wear a harness? No, no. harness for him. What? Yeah. What would he be harnessed for? He's running and cycling. No, but I mean, where does he keep his bits and bobs?

Like, do you remember the running harness that you told me I couldn't wear because it was embarrassing? I would hope, I'd hope for all of our sakes he wouldn't be wearing a harness. I hope he has pockets of some kind. Running around the Antarctic, I need to keep his keys in his pockets. Listen, I don't... I just don't think anyone deserves a harness. I think if you're running around in Tartica, you'd put your keys in the lockbox, wouldn't you?

I don't think you get to take your keys with you, but like, I've been looking at this stuff and I was like sitting with Svenny there and I was like, and so what's this, what's this ice wall? And he was like, fuck. And I was like, what? I was like, have you seen it? And he was like, that's what the flat earthers think is the end of the world. And I'm like, I need to stop looking at the internet because I was like, oh my gosh, look at that in Antarctica. Just into oblivion. Well, so...

Go on, I didn't know this. What's this? I love a conspiracy. So there's like an ice wall that the flat earthers believe. So it's just like sheer drop. You don't know what's below it. But it's made up. It's not true. There is no just sheer drop of nothingness. But like I saw it online and it's like, this is the end. And I'm like, oh my God. I thought it was when he was showing you his run and that he was going to run off the side of the earth at the end. Sorry.

You saw it somewhere else on the internet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're turning it to me. You're becoming quite gullible. Well, it's because of what I'm getting served up. And then I'm looking at this spaceship that's coming to Earth. Remember the one I told you about six weeks ago? Still on the way, supposedly. I thought they discovered that was just a teeny tiny comet that was just going to...

explode into splitherines. Well it probably is but what I'm getting served up is like it looks like a bloody lovely hotel that's coming towards us. And I'm like oh god where will I be? Who will I be with? Do I need to say goodbye to my mother?

I my what my algorithm serves me apologies any and all apologies on when people do a public apology on their Instagram account I don't know why I obviously have engaged with them at some point and I do read every single one regardless of whether it's a dog groomer in Carlo or if it's like Elon Musk which of course he doesn't apologize but you know what I mean as in any single whatever standard of apology whatever profile the person has when someone's like I'd like to see the apologies

Oh, they're so... Some of them are like... And this is... Look, no shade. If you feel the need to apologise for something, you know, you can't criticise someone who is going to apologise. But you know these like... I never have that urge. You apologize in your own way. I'm sorry you feel that way. But that's how you apologize. I'm sorry. What I've done has seemed to have upset you, but that seems like a you problem. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, but. You're a bit of an I'm sorry butter.

If you're getting the I'm sorry, it's coming with a butt. It's coming with a butt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a caveat. That's how I spell it. S-O-R-R-Y-B-U-T. There's a McWilliams caveat. Mac Williams? Did I just put her names together? Peggy Williams. Oh my God. Did I just call you Vogue Mac Williams? Yeah, Joanne McNally. Joanne Nally.

I'm losing my mind. Yeah, there's a Williams apology. I'm sorry, but I'm also correct. It is. I'm not just saying this. And I know loads of people think this about themselves. But it's unusual. Now, if I have to apologize for something, it's unusual. Yeah, you can sense that when you... You can sense you're not in your comfort zone. On the very, very few times I've seen it urban on the receiving end of it, it's clear it's not your, it's not your natural state.

It really isn't. It isn't. Like, I apologize to Sven now by just being a little bit nicer. Even if I know I've done something wrong, I would just be like, would you want to go to Japan, Spencer? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry about the affair, but I'm not going to bring up that ladder rope, but would you like to go to Japan? Here's a business class ticket for Japan, babe.

Yeah, that's exactly how I apologise. I'm sorry, but you did leave the house for an hour, Spencer. So what was a girl to do? Yeah, precisely. I actually think apologise. Remember I was telling you my...

I was actually talking about this about you and me in an interview I did the other week about the Estelle Esther sorry I just woke up but I was in late last night for Michelle Esther Perel yeah one of my favourite kind of is she the left them No, that's Mel Robbins. Esther Perel, you'd love her. She is a sexual psychologist, I guess. Oh, you've sent me stuff of hers before. Yes.

And she's very much, one of her best books ever is called Mating and Captivity. And it's actually about kind of how monogamy probably doesn't suit us anymore because we live so long and all this kind of jazz. But she has a theory on... relationships which we and we are a relationship we're not a romantic relationship we're a friendship and a business relationship and she

You're dead, right? When you're ovulating, you'd fucking climb a bin. I'm about to start ovulating. That's why when I saw the 8th Apollo, I was like, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. I'm a little wet, am I?

when we're ovulating women that's apparently women swing their hips more when they're ovulating and everything because they want to get in practice they want to get knocked up anyway Esther's theory is rip and repair she said actually disagreements or kind of tension or like sorry no disagreements and kind of having it out with each other but then repairing really quickly actually makes a relationship stronger like if you never rip

You never have the chance to repair and all the, every time you, you know this as well, you fall out with someone and then when you get it back together and you kind of say, you both say your bits and then you're at peace again, you do feel closer because you've come back to each other.

You do. And you also feel more like everything is kind of back to square one and empty and everything's put on the table. Things that you would have let slide for ages. And I think even that, who was saying that they never fight with their wife? George Clooney. But now I don't think he fights with her because she is.

is an amazing human rights lawyer. So I just don't think he'd be able to win anyway. So it would seem futile to fight with her. I'd say they don't fight because she's never around. I was going to say they don't fight because she's so amazing. I'd say they scrap over the Nesca. They must, they scrap over the Nespresso because she probably wants to get a sage and he's got the deal with Nespresso and like they're scrapping over the sage and the Nespresso.

She does seem like an espresso gal. But you know what as well? And I don't know. Look, I've no kids, which is something I'm saying a lot at the moment because I'm doing a lot of press at the moment. There's a lot of chat about bulimia, adoption and children at the moment. There's a lot. I look forward to shutting the phone. fuck up once these shows are sold. That's great. Well, that's what you can ask. That's not too bad. I can ask when I'm going to have another child and like mom guilt.

Do you? That's all I get. Well, sorry, just to clarify, I have no problem talking about those things. They're all part of the kind of story of how I got to... be doing the torch you know what I mean but yeah mom guilt yeah Lily Allen gets asked a lot about that sorry I did wait to bring her up and I just also want you to know I've moved on from Lily now I'm over it you're done with it it's out of my system

now I'm getting served up loads of stuff like that though because obviously we've been talking about it and now I'm finding myself getting more and more interested but there's a lot of I've seen a lot of backlashy articles now I have to say well do you know what's interesting I remember we actually when we spoke about it on the podcast

You were talking about the fact that, well, David Harbour's hanging out with the kids, which is nice. Was it you who was saying it? Or maybe it wasn't. Maybe it wasn't you. Maybe someone else was saying to me like, well, she cheated on previous partners and she gave a dog back and she doesn't remember how many abortions she had and all this stuff.

Like, she's not perfect. I'm like, no, no, no. No one's saying she's, I'm not saying she's perfect. I'm saying I just think it's an excellent album. I don't need to kind of understand her for people outside of that album. It doesn't matter to me what other things she has done in her life. I can still enjoy the album. Do you know what I mean? She said she gave her puppy back because it ate her password. It's like, just don't say anything. Just don't say anything. I know, that was...

There was quite the reveal, Lily. I probably would have kept that to myself. I mean, I think she got more shit for that for saying she doesn't know how many abortions she had. People don't like people giving back dogs or children. They're very against us. No. Oh my God. I'll never forget that YouTube couple who adopted a child and then gave him back like two years ago. It's like, fucking hell. And again.

I would have kept that to myself. Maybe I got a cardboard cutout of the kid for Christmas cards or something to kind of keep him in the mix. I think they tried. They tried to keep it themselves. People were like, where's the dog? Where's the dog? Where's the child? People were always asking me about Winston.

Because he wasn't always in my content, but he wasn't really arsed with it. And now he's just not out. Well, we've also, Winston was, you could see he wasn't buzzing off the content creation. He wasn't the thirsty bitch. The other one is. Bertie is absolutely bloody mad for it.

This is one for you, Vogue. Okay. I would assume that if you are a very wealthy parent. Yeah. So I think a lot of couples, they argue over because they're tired. and it's about childcare and about if they're struggling to make ends meet, blah, blah, blah, all that shit, right? And they can't do their, they don't get nights out that often because they have to pay for babysitter and cost of living and all that. But if you're loaded, and I'm not saying, I'm actually,

not saying this about you and Spencer I'm asking about the George and Amal if you're absolutely loaded so you've no financial problems and you have you can afford to have childcare 24 hours a day 7 days a week What do you argue about? Do you reckon? Sex. Money. No. Sex. I don't really know because we do have childcare and I do say that, but also having childcare, it's still like...

I'd say that like the running of the house and everything, but maybe they're not running their house. Like I, like I kind of look after the running of the house and I like spend a lot of time with the kids and also with nannies, like to try and we got our nanny.

and we like to try and get somebody who's essentially home help so because when you're there all the time some nannies don't like that and they won't take the job so trying to find somebody who doesn't mind that you're around quite a lot because we have one because I work from home a lot and if I want to do something with them but I don't know what you would

Look at me. I'm making excuses for having a nanny. I don't feel like I need to make excuses. No, you don't. And you know it as well. The term nanny really annoys people. It's just childcare really, isn't it? I should just start saying childcare.

I should just start saying child's care yeah but I don't know I think you fight I think you fight over just like there's always somebody who's doing more than the other and regardless of like I mean I don't know Kim Kardashian has a chef and everything like that and like

But like they're her kids at the end of the day. So they want to spend most of their time with her. So it is, that's the kind of stuff that becomes stressful because obviously you want to spend all your time with them, but then you feel like you're doing more and more and more and it can be, it can be quite full on. Like sometimes I feel like my.

day is just so hectic until until the kids go to bed and I'd say that like Svenny of course he helps and does stuff but they just kind of want to be with me a lot of the time That's the big lie sell to me about nannying. I'm assuming if I had a nanny, I wouldn't have to do anything. I'd just be waving at them from my apartment while they're all out in the common enjoying themselves.

I'm assuming. I didn't realise. You're not looking for home help then. No. I'd like the nanny to collect them at 7am from the room next door to me. You won't, though. That's the problem. You won't. If you have a child, which I think you actually will, I think that you'll have the baby and you'll think that you want to do that.

But you'll become so obsessed that you'll just want to spend all your free time with them. And then you'll be like, hang on a second. I have no free time anymore. Yes. And then that can get quite stressful. You need to try and like carve out a little bit of time on your own sometimes. Like I went, that's why I go get up and go walking early.

in the morning are running. That's my own time. I like getting parents. I think you're a really good mum, you know. Thanks, Joanne. I love it. I love it. I actually do. Do you know what worries me? And it's... It's so long away. But I love it so much and I love the chaos of all of it.

I want to have, when we get our, like, forever home in London, I want our house to be the house that everybody comes to so that they can all just hang out there and they have a nice time and they've got their own area because I want it, like, I love having people over. And then maybe... when they grow up, they'll just be like, oh, we might as well just live at mom till we're 30. You're going to be that parent who they're all going to be, all your kids' friends are going to be drinking in that.

in the downstairs area of the house. One of my mates, we had a loosey-goosey house and everyone stayed the night there because we could get away with coming in late, we could get away with drinking and then eventually Pat copped on and she was always trying to ring her mother to make sure I was there and Pat ruined the party.

But yeah, that'll be you. The only thing is I would be like more, I'd be more strict than Spencer. Like I wouldn't really, I just want them to be there and have a nice time. I don't want them taking the piss out of me and like getting pissed and stuff like that. I don't want to have to deal with that crap. Kids do it though, don't they? They always find a way. They always find a way.

Well, you always wanted somewhere to hang out because you're hanging out on walls so much. Like this, it's Halloween now here today. And I just remember being so excited for Halloween to just go and stand outside, do nothing. Not trick-or-treating when I was older, just standing there, just standing. like waiting to score somebody I can still I was waiting quite a long time no no Halloween was a gamey night

Halloween was, it was a sexy time for your teenager. It could be a sexy, gamey time, but not for all of us who haven't grown into our mates yet. I don't believe you for a second. It's true.

I can still feel the ice, the wind blowing through my skin when I think of going out on Halloween because you want to be... you want to score you're out to score lots which is why so you're not wearing any clothes maybe there might be a zip up maybe but doubtful yeah you're trying to be cute you're trying to be you're trying to be like a sexy 15 year old which is weird

And so you'd be out in your, you'd be skirts, like a sheer tight, a boot, maybe a crop top. You were on the sheer tights. Oh no, I used to have like a skirt, like a belt. I mean, they were a regular size and everyone else, but they'd be like a belt on me. I loved them. And then the jeans down to like. Yeah. Partially showing your. Yeah. Your front bum and your back bum. Yeah. Your front bum.

We have to do an email. Yes, go for it. This is called Should I? Okay, without reading it, I'm going to say go for it. What are you going to say? I'll take the opposing. argument is I don't do it just for balance. Okay. Hi Joanne, Voug, Vogue, whatever you prefer. And Jo, I'm 32 years old. I'm single and childless and live in Copenhagen in a nice apartment with a great...

Group of friends and a nice job. Glorious. Yeah, they're all rides in Copenhagen. You can't live there unless you're a ride. So you must be a ride. Still, I can't shake the feeling that something is missing and always has been. I'm not talking about having a man and children. Absolutely fuck that. But my heart yearns for London. Oh. Oh. I lived there a few years ago for a semester abroad and it was the best time ever. I still visit a few times a year and I'm at my happiest there.

I've now landed a job in marketing and seeing as I happen to have Irish nationality, it's fairly easy and visa free move. But I'm scared shitless. Starting over at 32 is a lot and moving away from aging parents, friends, having children and the very stable life I have is scary. I currently live alone in my big flat. But I know that I'll have to pay twice the price in London for a mouldy room with a thousand flatmates and no heat during the winter. Is it worth it?

I know you two both made the move in your 30s while your careers are way more impressive than mine. Well, we don't know. We don't know. How did you overcome all the scary emotions? The not having friends and family around, the loneliness, the expenses, the cultural differences, the having to start socially from scratch.

All of it. I've been offered my dream but something is holding me back and I'm not sure it's anything other than my very comfortable comfort zone that is screaming to me I must be an utter gobshite. Should I make the move? Should I not? What would you do in my situation? Mandatory but truthful. Love the world.

pod oh do it I didn't I think that you're overthinking it I didn't even really think about it I kind of was just like oh I'm moving to London now and like You were young though. What age were you when you came over? No, I was probably like 29, 30.

And I'd come back from Australia. And I just feel like one of my friends gave me, I don't know if James O'Neill told you this. We have a friend, James O'Neill. He said to me when I was moving there, because I was like, I must have been nervous for him to have said this to me. And he was like, you have to work for London or London won't work for you.

You can't just move to London and just expect everything to be brilliant and you're going to have a great time and stuff like that. It's like any city, you have to immerse yourself in stuff. You have to... Like get out and about and do stuff and make some friends. You'll make friends and work. Make sure you go out with them. Make an effort. Go and see all the different things to see in London. Get involved in, sorry to say, run clubs. Sorry.

I was all about it until he said that. I'm sorry. They do this running club. I forget what it's called. You'd know it. Park run. Park run. I haven't gotten involved yet. And they do it on a Saturday morning in Battersea. And there's so many people. And everyone just seems to have a really, really fun, nice time. And I see people clogging up the coffee shops because I can't go when they finish their...

run club and it just seems like so it's doing little bits and bobs like that but you're 32 if you don't do it now like when are you going to do it like is this opportunity going to come when you're 36 again just do it now when you can 100%. One of the best things about being a single child-free person is you can change up your life.

Like that. Can you hear me clicking my fingers? Like that. You're not locked to Copenhagen. Now the elderly, the aging parents, that is, that is something to be considered. But like, it's not far. London is, in my opinion, one of the best cities in the world. world. It completely changed my life. I was gagging to get over here. I just had to wait until I had a bit of a job. I think I waited until I got...

No, no, because even when I got signed by Curb, I think I was still living in Dublin, coming back and forth. But I was in a relationship at the time in Dublin and I hadn't a pot to piss in because I had no job. I was just doing open spots for free. The second I got over here, I'll be honest, it was lonely.

At the start. And also lockdown and all that shit. But like, some of the friends I have over here now are like, they're so close to me. It's like I've known them all my life. Do you know what I mean? And it's one of the best things I've ever done. We're very pro-London.

We're very pro-London. I think London is such a like cultural hub as well. There's just, everyone's quite inclusive. Like, and I don't find that people are like, they don't say hello or anything like that. I find it quite a friendly city. And I think that everyone's happy for everyone to get involved.

I really, I just, and you don't have to live in a complete shithole. Like I have lived in a couple of shitholes in London, but I think it is good to share. Like if you can find a flat share, I think for the first year, treat it like uni. where you'd rather be in uni accommodation where you're going to find some friends and people that you could possibly move out with after that. I would definitely do a flat show. You could get a nicer-ish place.

And just be careful, my only thing is find out where your job is and make sure you don't live too far away from that because you actually, you won't understand how big London is until you're here. I once got a job. I was living in Stockwell and I was working in Lewisham. It took me, I had to get too...

tubes, a train and a bus to work because I didn't know that it was so far and that will be a nightmare if you do that. I'm moving from South West London to East London. Well we haven't fully decided that yet. I'm going to look at houses next week. Well, I don't care. But it's like, it's like I'm moving, I feel like I'm moving country. It's only over the other side of the city. But yeah, London is huge, but that's the crack of it. And you can literally go in and watch.

Le Miserable tomorrow if you want. Or you can go. There's so much to do. I mean, Le Miserable is probably a kind of a wild example. That's a bit depressing. I mean, just go to something more fun. I love Le Miserable. Go to Hamilton. I've never seen it. The Turner musical.

That's finished, I think, Joanne. No! Yeah, I think so. Cassie, can we fact check that? I'm sure that was brilliant. Did you see that? I went to see it. Yeah, it was great. Tina Turner's like my icon. I loved Hamilton. It's so good. I haven't seen it yet. I'll go with you. Let's do a date. I'd love to go. That's our Christmas present to each other. I'll get you a ticket to Hamilton and you get me a ticket. Yours will just be up in the back stalls with a restricted view. I was going to say, folk.

Sorry, John, you are because you're up there. I thought we were going to sit together now. No, you've got a restricted view. Yeah. While you're in the wings. Doing content. But do it now. Like, honestly, because the thing is, you can sit on something for years and not do it. And then, like, you're better off doing it if you don't like it, move home. And also the great thing about being in London is you're so close to Europe. You can just get the euro.

dart the Euro train over to the continent and have a ball over there there's loads of fun stuff to do if you do move let us know Vogue will introduce you to a run club well I'm not actually in the run club I just watch it oh yeah let us know your main ones yeah that's it okay I enjoyed that morning chat that was a nice morning chat thanks everyone for listening and please keep sending in your emails to

Hello at mtgmpod.com There was a girl come up to me after one of the shows and she was talking about the Bare Boy Vogue Lube story. And she was like, more emails. And I was like, I know, I know. We do ask for them. We do get them. We only ever do one because we shite on so much. But that was a great email. I'm clipping that up now for the Bear by Vogue page. I'm...

You should. I'm always about changing shit up. Change shit up as much as you can. That's why I'm moving east because I feel like I'm in a bit of a rut. I'm like, I need to change shit up. Life comes at you fast. It's just really handy that I'm going to move to Clapham in the next couple of years and you're going to move somewhere else for fuck's sake. This neighbourhood's going to the dogs. The William Matthews are moving in.

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