¶ Podcast Introduction and Banter
This is a Global Player original podcast. Well, hello. It's my therapist ghosted me. It's myself, yet again, always, consistently, Joanne McNally, and consistently, my wife and confidant, Vogue Williams, and, sporadically, Jo Eddiewell. Jo loves a holiday.
That does make it sound like I turn up a word sporadically. Yeah, you did well, Jo. Well, you take more time off than we take off now, in fairness. It's a lot of paternity time, Jo. It is absolutely right. Don't think we haven't noticed. And not a stitch in you. No. Not a single stitch in you, but a lot of time taken. If I have another baby, if I ever have another baby, I'm going to get on to you and ask you how you wangles that much free time after the child.
What was it you took off last time? 48 hours? Not even. We could hear them cutting the umbilical cord live on the podcast. Sorry, guys. I'll take that out of the attic. Don't worry. Keep going. I'll be back in 20. I'm waiting on the presenter.
¶ Critiquing Lena Dunham's New Show
I'd like you both to do something please because I would like to discuss it on the podcast. Lena Dunham's new show Too Much with Meg Stalter. Have we watched? I started it, yeah. I will caveat this by saying I am a massive Lena Dunham fan. She could come in here and she could piss on my carpets and I'd hoover it up and decant it later and consume it. I love her.
This feels to me like I'm about to say I don't believe in vaccines. That's how problematic this opinion feels to me because I adore her. Doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. It doesn't, but I want it. I think, you know, it's like people who write books. Not every book is going to be...
You're going to get a couple of turkeys in there. Careers are long. You can't have a hit. Not everything you do is going to be a hit. But I genuinely thought this was going to... I actually went to a screening of it in town. Kind of like paid to go to the screening of it because I thought it was... I was just, I was buzzing to see it. And I'm sorry to say, and Alina, I love you so much. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's not, it's not bad.
It's just not grabbing me in the way Lena Dunham's work usually grabs me. I also think that she is incredible. I actually... And I love her and I love all of anyone that's in that show. It's a great cast. It had all the markings for such a brilliant show. But I watched the first episode.
on the plane here and I'd only downloaded that show because I was like I'm going to watch like three apps on the way here this is going to be amazing and I watched the first episode and I just was like I nearly didn't get through the first episode I was like I actually it was It's not great. It's not a great show at all. It's like there's a slow burn and then there's like no burn. Do you know what I mean? How did that happen to her?
Do you know what I think happened? Because I've been watching and reading around it as much as I can. And like I say. not everything you got like there's so much pressure on her because Girls was such a seminal show and there's so much pressure on her but I feel like she got Netflixed I think all those platforms all those channels are like
begging Lena be like please please have you anything have you anything have you anything and she obviously took a huge break from writing TV and she's been on like kind of several journeys she says herself of sobriety and all this jazz and then she obviously moved to the UK and she's after marrying this English musician guy and this story is based on their relationship I feel like she came back with it was the I don't know what I don't know what
It's just too tame for her. There's no jeopardy. There's no tension. And also I'm going to say this and I don't know what is this like a casting because I've no experience. I'm not buying their relationship between. Felix and Jessica, like they had one date and it wasn't even like a particularly hot date and then he was saying his friends he's met someone and I was like, what? There's no chemistry.
the burn thing I was like well how has this made sense that this has turned into an entire like part of the episode okay we're really going in on it now we usually we like giving recommendations and then this is this is yeah I feel like I'm literally questioning whether we landed on planet Earth like I feel like I've turned I feel like I'm this is some sort of feminist treason but I everyone's talking about the show We like talking about things people are talking about. I just...
What? It's something missing. You kind of want to shake it and be like, no, what's going on behind the scenes here? There's more going on here. What's happening? Where's the rest? Where is it? Do you know what show I just love? And I saw you posting about it the other day again. I just, Hacks is like the perfect combination of...
everything you want in a show like i could just watch hacks for the rest of my life every single day and just be it's like it feels like friends to me you know when you was friends was always on you go home you just hear the music for friends that was like your day and like hacks is kind of like that show to me as well it's just so good some shows are very comforting and actually too much is also quite comforting but you're not
You're kind of in the background now while I'm dusting and stuff. This is why I'm so scared to say this because if I met Lena Dunham I'd drop to the ground and kiss her feet and I just hope to God she isn't aware of either of us. I hope she isn't aware of either of us. Anna's never heard of NTGM and isn't one of these like passive women who listen to the pub because I would die.
I would just like to say that I feel in my cell having anything but completely positive things to say about Lena Dunham's work is the female equivalent to me matching with Andrew Tate on Hinge. I feel like a complete asshole. I feel like a complete asshole. But also, I have to be somewhat honest about it. And I feel like she's being censored or something's missing. It's missing. It's just not enough. It's not too much. It's not enough. We need more, Lena. We need more.
I know it is a disappointing one, though. And I always feel bad. I hate I hate criticizing anything. Like if there's if I'm reading a book and I don't finish the book, I'm like, I just want to post about the book now because I just I obviously didn't like the book. So I'm not going to post about it.
Yeah. I just feel a bit bad, but yeah. We don't want to put negative stuff into the ether, but still, it is a point of conversation. But also, Leena, if you want me to appear on anything that you're writing at the moment, I would love to start. I wish I'd had a role in it myself. Of course. Yeah. I had them all downloaded and I deleted them. But anyway, anyway, I'm sure she'll come out with something that's absolutely brilliant the next time.
I'm going to power on. I'm going to power on. Like I say, I feel this is, she's tentatively dipping the toe back into the world of TV writing. And I can feel there is hesitancy or resistance coming from someone, whether it's her or Netflix. I don't know. But I feel it, Lena. I feel the resistance. Amber will force herself to watch shows and she'll literally be like, oh.
I have to go watch that show now. I'm like, no, you don't. No one's paying you to watch it. She's like, but I've started it. You do. There's a loyalty. There's a loyalty to things like, you know. going to die at some point in my life I don't have time to read books that I don't enjoy or to watch TV shows that I don't enjoy because then what am I going to do on my deathbed I'll say you wasted seven hours watching that show and you could have been doing other stuff that's what I'll say
I was on to Ross the other night who does my socials and I was ranting about that and he's like, Joanne, why don't you start doing like TV reviews on TikTok because I'm too fucking lazy. But it's something to think about because I have a lot of opinions about this shit.
¶ Thoughts on Entertainment Reviews
Why not? I know. Why not push them on unsuspecting people who never ask for them? I'd hate, I would hate a job like that or to be like a restaurant reviewer or something that has to go in and review people's food. Cause I just, I would absolutely like, even if something's bad, like if it's really bad, I'm just, I'm even a bit like. Of course. I kind of feel guilty saying it, but I'm like, that was like. Yeah.
I think a review should be kind of a balanced take on, because you can't remove your own bias as well. Like, that's why it annoys me when you've middle-aged, when Sex and the City started out, you'd middle-aged older men reviewing Sex and the City. Like, that's not, of course they're going to think it's shit. It's not for them.
Not everything's for you. Do you know what I mean? Keep your nose out of it. Keep your fucking nose out of it. But the starring system, I think, is pretty brutal. I don't think you, like, especially in the Edinburgh, you see, like, really good comics and they're getting, like, one star reviews. Like, don't do that to that person. That is so mean. Don't do that to them.
them don't piss on them like that but don't Adam Sandler movies always get really really badly reviewed and they're an easy watch and they might not be groundbreaking I love an easy watch yeah me too I'm an easy person. Do you know what I mean? It's why I'm sitting there watching Adam Sandler and not playing Sudoku. Sudoku. We'll get you on the camera. So is it Sudoku or Sudoku?
it's none of our business none of us know it isn't I always thought I'd be one of those people that would sit at home and like do my crosswords and all that and like I do sometimes buy the times on a Sunday but like if I'm really honest I mainly buy it for Style Magazine and I just Yeah. I've given the crossword a bash a few times. It's just not for me. Pat's an absolute shark.
My mum has two crossword books in her room. I'm like, oh my god, people buy them. I always wondered who were the purchasers. Did I tell you that I'm a power top?
Did I tell you that? No, well, yes, you have. But go on. Well, I have a lot of gay friends and they weren't saying this to... compliment me but they very much did they said that wow if you were gay a gay man which I think I definitely was one in a past life if you were a gay man you'd be a parotop and I said you know what you're dead fucking right but that again
I'd be arsed. Gays telling their female friends that we're power tops is the equivalent of us telling our female friends they've lost weight. Yeah. It's just what they do. It's just what they do. And like, obviously, we don't discuss weight anymore, but we're still discussing topping and bottoming. It's still the ultimate compliment to a woman because every woman wants to feel within a group of men that she's considered an alpha. Yeah, exactly. They all tell us for power tops.
Can you imagine us trying to ride each other? We'd be climbing on top of each other every three seconds. Now! No, we've also spoken about this before, Joanne. You and I would lie down and have a nap together. I'd have to knock you out to get on top because I'd be like, this fucking bitch with her training. And you wouldn't be able to knock me out because we've spoken about that too and I'd kick the fucking shit. why is she laughing like that Jo it's so grassy
¶ Hollywood Series Recommendation: The Studio
We should throw an old school Hollywood party. Now what would that entail? Well, from the studio, which is a show I'm watching at the moment, it means they put mushrooms in the chocolate. Have you seen that clip? That's going around the internet. Seth Rogen, Zoe Kravitz. Yeah. He's written and produced this show called The Studio and it's really, really funny. Do you know it, Jo? You look completely blank. Oh, it's so good. It's based. I haven't seen it. It's based. It's Apple TV.
You're not paying for the Apple show? No, my free three months ran out. Got us. Yeah, yeah, fair. Oh my God, you've just reminded me I need to cancel my Apple music. I don't even listen to it, but there was just a song. It was an Enya song I couldn't find anywhere else.
What? I couldn't. It was just one. It was an Enya song and it was like fourth down in Enya's greatest hits. And I was like, why is it only on Apple Music? And then I was like, fuck it. I'll subscribe for the free three months. But I think they've already got me. And you're like, damn it. Here we go for a year. There's nothing worse. So the studio, I'm just going to actually read it out so I don't ruin the description. Okay. Matt Rimmick, Seth Rogen.
It's the newly appointed head of Continental Studios. Desperate for celebrity approval, he and his executive team at the movie studio must juggle corporate demands with creative ambitions as they try to keep movies alive and relevant. It is one of the funniest shows I've watched and they have all these amazing... celebrity cameos in it and it's this really funny kind of behind the scenes look on all the Hollywood film industry but one of the scenes that's going around and it was
It's flying around TikTok is Seth Rogen saying to Zoe Kravitz, she's chewing on the chocolates and he's like, here, you know, don't eat too many chocolates. And she's like, how dare you? Don't comment on my body and what I do. And he's like, he's like, no, no, no, no. It's just that there's, and then this other guy comes in and he's, he's screaming.
He's like, are you eating the mushrooms? Anyway, it turns out there's shrooms in the chocolates and then she realises she's eaten like enough to kind of put a horse down. Anyway, the show is really, really good. Highly recommend. Five stars. Good. I need a new show to watch. I haven't watched one. I'm trying to think of...
¶ Holiday Work and Running Woes
news that I have over here. When did I talk to you last? I feel like I feel like two days ago. I always feel like I've spoke because I'm always talking to you on something. So I never know when we've done the pod because like, remember when we went on a break and we had our break and I was like, I really want to have the break. And then we went to Wimbledon and everyone was like, yeah, great break. But anyway. Well, you are on a holiday per se.
Not a lot happens on holidays. Well, do you know what? I have to say there's been more work than I was anticipating on the holiday. Well, one must pay for one's holiday. I know, but I don't want to pay on the holiday when I'm on the holiday. The only thing I do, I get up in the morning and I go running, but sometimes I go running with Spen and we were running the other day and I got those speed shoes that you have.
Well, I didn't get them. Spenny got them for me as a gift. And so I really feel like I've upped my running. But there's all hills and stuff around here. And obviously it's hot and I'm not used to that. Anyway, Spenny, he runs slightly ahead of me. And then he started like...
crossing the road and then i was like oh we're crossing the road and i started following him only to realize he wasn't crossing the road he was just going over to loop me and come back around because i'm so slow that he crosses the road and goes back down
then comes back up behind me so I was there gonna follow him and I'm like oh oh you're just looping me I know I own a pair of flyaways and a harness and I should know what you're saying but I have no idea what looping means oh he's looping like so he's doing a loop around me
to make his run longer because I'm going so slow. Oh, I understand. So I was there following him and he's just like, oh, where are you going? And I was like, I'm following, are you going back? And he's like, no, I'm just trying to like... give you time he's trying to create a natural handicap in his performance so that he you and him will be on the same level like rock every straight 50 meters you run he runs 100 meters in a circle yeah yeah that's exactly what he does
that's he's trying to like putting rocks in his pocket and be like no no no no this is just I'm just as shit as you I got it that's actually quite sweet I think No, it's not. Then he starts putting on his headphones when we're like 300 meters from the house because he's going to go running on his own. And I'm like, can you just do that when I'm not here?
¶ Listener's Steamy Dream Analysis
I'm typing this ridiculous email to you because I've had one of those dreams. You know the ones. Anyway, it's freaked me out so I wanted to bring it to your expert ears for some analysis. I'm happily married with two kids. And my husband is, let's just be honest, a very fine looking man. Oh. Well done you. Well done. Anyway. Last night I had a dream and I'm worried about the repercussions. The dream was about Tommy Tiernan. It's the hand tats. We're all having them.
I wouldn't say that that's that weird. It's the hand tats. It's the hand tats. Tommy is quite an attractive man and he's funny and he's intelligent. Yeah, it's the hand tats. Sorry, no. Yeah, it's the hand tats. If he wasn't rocking those tats. now half of Ireland's having fucking they're all dreaming about time return anyway go on sorry sure me and the husband used to watch his show and we went to one of his comedy gigs on one of our rare nights out without the little ones
Anyway, it was a very hot, steamy, passionate sex dream about Tommy. Are you sure it was a dream and he didn't break in?
He's on the road, I heard. He's touring. I woke up feeling hot and bothered and confused. I feel like I can't look at Tommy the same way ever again. Now that his... tongue was I thought that was gonna say something else for a second wow now this tongue was jammed down my throat and my imagination yeah throat is fine what do these dreams mean are they why are they so random what's the weirdest dream you've ever had maybe one
of you has had the same dream about Tommy Turner. Well, do you know what? When I go to sleep tonight, that's what I'm going to hope for. I'm going to... Yeah. Who am I? I... It never works. It never works. You can't plan it. No, you can't plan it, you lucky bitch. You lucky ducker. Angel Tommy just chose to visit you that night like the baby Jesus and you just got lucky.
And he may never visit you again. So I would write that dream down. It's written down now. It's Tommy. He's a bit whimsical. He could be literally celestially floating around Ireland. You wouldn't know him. He's spiritual now, so you just would not know. Is he crystal-y now? Is he crystal-y? No, but I think he's gone back to mass, but he says he knows it's not real. Yeah. And listen, you could ride worse in your sleep. Do you know what I mean? And I have.
Oh, I have in real life too. Exactly. Exactly. I wish they were only dreams, but sometimes I'm like, shut up. Yeah. You're like, oh no, that was real. And I did it twice. And Tommy, if you're listening, take that as a win. More cats. Yeah, I'm telling you, if you wouldn't mind crawling up the neck there with something sexy, I'll leave the window open. Just above the brow. Leave the window open for you. celestial soul to slip in.
Sorry, I can't say that. I know him. That's gross. Sorry, Tommy. You know him anymore. I know. You're actually going to see him in future. Work with him. He's a colleague. He's actually a peer. Yeah. He's going to be really uncomfortable when you see him the next time. He's going to be like, God, what a creep. Tommy what's with the taser gun it's just your good Paul Joanne it's just a podcast don't take it so serious
You won't believe what Tommy Tiernan did to me last night. He pepper-strayed me. Really, Joanne? Why did he do that? With that note, I wish everybody a very enjoyable evening. And with any luck, one of us will dream about Tommy Tiernan. Thank you so much, Vogue. That was quite sweet. The odds are that someone... Are we allowed to stream... Like, what are the rules here? Does he have to consent?
I'm on tour just FYI the London shows are going if anyone's interested there's one show left with tickets 16th of October and also Clarny and Castlebar and Dublin
