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Hello and welcome to the bonus episode of My Therapist Goated Me with me, Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally. Hiya. Hiya's. There's your big 40-year-old head. Congratulations. I actually do. I'm thrilled. Good. I'm happy to be 40. I think it's a nice place to be because like when I was 30. you see i was getting divorced and like everything was falling apart and my life was in probably the worst state it was ever in i think i was moving back in my parents and everything and um

Work wasn't really going as well as it was. Obviously, I was getting divorced and humiliated by that. And I just think anything's better than that. I'm glad to be a decade on and more sorted. Yeah, and you are sorted. I think it very much depends on where you are in your life and where you are in your head with yourself. And you're in a very good place. That's why you're very blessed. We're very privileged. We're very lucky.

Aging is a privilege. You know, a lot of people don't make it to their 40s. It's a depressing start to the podcast, but that's the truth. I did. I was thinking about that. I was like, God, some people just don't get here. Then I thought to myself, because I was like, fuck it, I'll double down on depressing myself. I was like, oh no, now I'm halfway through my life. And then that started to make me sad.

We're going to get you a death doula so you can start dealing with this phobia of death. I do not have a phobia about it at all. I deal with death the way I deal with most things in my life. I don't think about it. You just kick it down the road. Just don't think about it. I go, I go, I can either, I kind of zoom out.

And I'm like, what it means in the world and how irrelevant we all are really and the philosophy of it and everyone dies. And then in a couple of years time, everyone who cares that you're dead, no one will care that they're dead. And it rolls on and rolls on and rolls on. And then I just don't think about it. And then I drink. Well... Ta-da! I'm very well adjusted is the truth of it

I was thinking about it, right? And I actually had a nice feeling about death the other day. I'm not going to talk about Winston all the time, by the way. I'm going to keep it within myself because I know that other people will be like...

but someone sent me a thing about dogs and dogs go to this field in heaven right and they're all just delighted with themselves and they're all playing with each other and all of a sudden one dog just goes and looks up and just bolts off and the other dogs are like where's he gone? And he's ran to his owner. Oh my God. That is so cute. I know. So that made me be like, oh God, it won't be so bad. I'll have dogs all over me.

Well, not according to the rapture people. I'm not going to go down the rapture hole again, but they were saying bite for kids. So we're all going to be fenced off apparently when we get up there into different areas. That's not true. I read this book, right? I've spoken about it before, Dr. Brian White.

We also, so like, I could be your mom in the next life, Joanne, or you could be my baby, well, you could be my baby, or you could be my... fucking husband so all souls and Joe sexy yeah that's the most I'm expecting I am the man in the relationship physically you do tick all those boxes but mentally it's me

I would say I have been your husband in a previous life because souls all stick together. So we all come back as something to each other. I don't care what anyone thinks. That's what I'm believing. It's what I'm going down. Joe was the family dog, would we say? Yeah, it's going to be an animal, isn't it? A fucking hamster or something. I do remember him running towards me. With the hair. Yeah, the labradoodle bouncing towards us in the park on a Saturday morning.

If I take a stick for you now, Joe, would memory kind of kick in? Would you run first? Oh, you'd definitely go first. When I see them on the floor, I am possessed with the need to sort of pick them up and take them home. I don't know why. See, Joe, you know those dogs with the sticks that are too...

big to get in the door and they can't figure out how to take it in lengthways. It's always a Labrador. We're like, Joe, drop the stick. We've got ads to record for God's sake. That's why I couldn't come to Wimbledon because I would have just run on and chased the ball.

he's very responsive to whistles have you noticed that folk I find he doesn't like them actually he cowers away doesn't like the tin whistle either or the recorder can't bear it oh Jo we love you Jo you'd have been a human you'd have been our brother Oh, thanks. Oh, that's nice, isn't it? Yeah, that's what people call their dogs sometimes. My brother, do they? I call it my child, my little babies. Anyway, it's a death doula for you, Vogan. Congratulations on Welcome to My Box.

The 40 bucks, yeah.

So when I got invited to my first over 40s event, oh, you've been nominated just for women over 40. And I was like, excuse me. That's not for you. That's women. That's for women in their late 40s, early 50s into their 70s. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's for 40.

above and then yesterday I got a message about the menopause ah for fuck's sake listen don't even talk to me I can't menopause I did a story yesterday so I I had a day off yesterday and it's been fairly work has been fairly frantic I would say and I'm so glad you're bringing this up because I spoke to Spencer about this and I was like how

did she do it but I have something to add go on tell everyone what you did so I had a big chunk of work so I take it in chunks okay and then I get myself through and remember I was on my little sober train and everything because I had to get that chunk of work done Anyway, when that chunk of work finished, I had a night out. Yeah. Nothing mental. And then I had a day off the day after the night out. I slept for, I estimated to be 16 and a half hours. No.

Unaided. Au natural. No melatonin, nothing. Obviously, I was talking about it on the Instagram because that's what we do. And Vogue, you've given me an interest in sleep now. Thank you very much. I'm so thrilled about this. For making me incredibly boring on the internet because now I like to talk about sleeping and dreams. How many emails did you get about that? So many, I'd say. Loads, yeah. But a lot of them, some of them, sorry, I'm making a mountain out of a molehill here.

there was a lot of accusations of, oh, that's the pre-menopause, that's the pre-menopause, that's the pre-menopause. It's not. It's just because I'm working days and nights and I'm absolutely wrecked, but in a great way. I'm down. I'm sad. No, Tiersha. Tiersha's tired. Oh, the tiredness of the world is on me. The tiredness of the world is on me. Yeah. God, we're so poetic. Except we don't have a clue what we're talking about. Isn't it? Isn't it gorgeous? Very much. Yeah.

I just, I do find that fascinating. Like the longest I could sleep. And this is what I do every time I'm hungover. And I could just, I could be coming off the back of a seven hour hangover sleep. And then I wake up and I've had drinks the night before. Not even feeling that bad. Can go about my day.

but I will be in bed at seven o'clock and I'll get nine and a half to 10 hours sleep. And that is the longest sleep my body will ever let me have. So the fact that you could do 16 and a half unaided is like, that should go into a, what's the longest anyone's ever seen? left that must be up there well there was toys sleep it's two nights sleep it's two nights sleep yeah

There was toilet breaks, but like, you know, kind of feeling your way through the dark. Like I didn't wake, I didn't turn a light on or anything like that, but there was obviously toilet breaks. What about the food? No food breaks. It's 16 hours. I didn't, well, I suppose, I didn't even wake up hungry. That is, your body is just, I'll never understand it. I will never understand. Your body isn't, your body's AI or something. There's something not right. We're off for two weeks.

We are. Well done for remembering. We have a terrible reputation for forgetting to mention it. And it's quite embarrassing. But in that time... Well, everyone just thinks we've broken up. if we broke up we'd do an expose wouldn't we oh god if we broke up I'd be going I'd sell my story I'd go to the sun and it would be a war of words I'll tell you

I will do an exclusive tell-all podcast with both of you. I'll produce both of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, perfect. Yeah. You know, it's a real American trait when podcasters fall out and then they do kind of a, here's what actually happened. And they just throw each other down this morning. The loyalty of a bin bag in the States. I feel like they're just so content crazy that anything, like they go real personal with their stuff.

So where are you going to be for the next two weeks? Everyone can find it on joannemcnally.com. Joannemcnally.com. I'm going all over. I'm going to Stockton on Tees and Chester and Salford. But Dubai is, I'm doing two shows in Dubai and there's still tickets for the... earlier show later show there's tickets for the later show I think I remember on October 7th yeah I think it's tickets for the later show the last time we went to Dubai and Gerold came out with me and Gerold's a gay man and um

a gay man messaging me and he's like I'm disgusted you're going to Dubai blah blah blah and I was like there's a huge gay scene in Dubai who deserve acts and performers to come out as well like have you seen about this festival in Riyadh Jo? I have. Yeah. Because everyone's going. You're not going, are you? I know I'm not going, but I was asked to go. She was asked to go. And I turned it down and it's like, and look, I was never going to go, but it was a six figure offer to go.

And I was never, it's big money. And if I'm getting six figures, what are the Chappelle's and the Jimmy Carr's getting? I'd say like, I'd say they're getting millions, but I just. Millions. For anyone who doesn't know. There's the Riyadh Comedy Festival. Riyadh is the capital of Saudi Arabia and they've put on what they're claiming to be is the biggest comedy festival in the world. And it's all funded by the government, of course. And Saudi Arabia has the worst human rights track record in...

all the track records of human time, probably even worse than like medieval England kind of vibes. And they're still like executing women and, you know, having public hangings and all that jazz. If you're going to do it, I don't find some of the, and I know they're comedians and people, some people probably find it funny.

I don't find some of the jokes that the comedians going out are saying about in defense of why they're going. I just don't find them funny. I just think it's off the mark. If you're going out to do it, just be honest with yourself and be like, yes, I am going out to do it. And that's just the way it is. But don't start making jokes.

about that like about women and stuff like that that the problem the problems out there are don't make jokes around it I do like they're offering life changing money to comics and comics notoriously have times where they don't make any money. If you are trying to feed your family, I can understand the moral conundrum if, as a comic, you're offered a six-figure sum for like one day's work.

I do understand the moral conundrum that comes with that, but a lot of the comics, they're not faced with that moral conundrum because they have tons and tons of cash. Pete Davidson is out in Riyadh and he, in fairness to him, was very honest about it because he said, because Americans are kind of saying, how can American comics go out and take money off a culture that they think financed 9-11, basically?

And particularly as Pete Davidson's father died in 9-11, they're like, how can you do this? And he's like, I see the flight number and I see the cost of the gig and I say yes. He's like, it's it. I'm money motivated. It's about the money for me.

Yeah, if he, at least he came out and said that, but some of them, the jokes were just so off the mark for me. Jim Jefferies. Jim Jefferies. It just, it just like, oh God, it just wasn't, like you're talking about somebody that's been executed. Like it's not, it's just not funny. He was talking about the journalist who was executed by the Saudi government. Do you remember your man who went into the Saudi embassy and came out in a suitcase?

I was fucking shocking. That was absolutely, there's a documentary on that that I watched. It was absolutely terrifying. But like, if you're going out, but then you know what? He said that and then his name was suddenly off the bill. So I'd say that. I'd say that maybe, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know whether he would, there's no way he did. So who knows? I'd say he got such, but Jim Jefferies has always been like that. He's a bit of a shock jock. He kind of, he's always been, he says all the wrong stuff and, you know, that's kind of how he rolls.

Taylor Swift's new album, I can't use the term dropped, it's too Gen Z for me, is out. I don't understand this woman. How long does she sleep for? Because she just had a tour where she was touring an album. So is this another album that now she'll then go and tour again? I mean... When did this happen? I have to admire her. I really do. I think she is. It's cray cray.

I don't love her music now, and please don't go for me over that, but it's just not the kind of music I listen to. But I do think she is, to be able to go, even to go and put on a three-hour show like she does is... Absolutely wild. She's exceptional. And I have to say, I do like her music. I admire, we all admire her. How could you not? Yeah. I mean, I'm taking the piss about my work ethic. Her work ethic is off the charts. But then I feel like she's just got all her shit together.

She's always like I see her picture going for dinners. So I feel like she's got also got a good balance. Maybe I'm wrong because, you know, when you just see people's lives that you know nothing about. And I'm sure she just is really busy up the walls all the time and pretty stressed like the rest of us. The album has landed.

to great applause obviously everything she does is to great applause I don't know she wrote this in the fucking bath I don't know how she pulled this off I heard she got the flu and she just wrote it during that time when she was in bed on her down time yeah yeah she wrote in her sleep her eyes just tipping off her lashes little pencils in her eyes Taylor Swift's Actually Romantic there's a song called Actually Romantic lyrics

Is it all about Charlie XCX? So the great thing about Taylor is her songs are kind of like diary entries to catchy music. So it's very much about her life and she very much minds her own personal experience. And if someone pisses Taylor off...

We know about it. And they go into the song and then the internet spends years and years trying to decode. And I think that's where, it's all very Da Vinci code. Like, it's like Sudoku, musical Sudoku. People are always trying to figure out what she actually means, which is kind of half the crack of it.

So what's the problem with Charlie XCX? And I didn't even know that they were, are they friends or not friends? Well, you see, because this isn't our world, we don't know the insides and the outsides. But of course there are. jealousies and competitiveness and all that going on in their industry the same as there is in all other industries. This is way more crack than Liam and Noel, by the way. I'd way rather hear about this, Gus. Well, theirs is too, theirs is so obvious.

Yeah, Liam and O's. This is, yeah, okay. This is female scrapping. You have to decode this. We're more passive-aggressive. The lads just have it out. We're more passive-aggressive. You know? Hiya, kiss, kiss. What a bitch. Yeah, yeah. That's our mouth. Oh my God, I love your new album. Shite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, what is it then? Charlie XCX wrote a song called Sympathy is a Knife.

And they think it could be about Taylor Swift, right? So we think this song coming back is her reply to that. So Taylor's lyrics are, I heard you call me boring Barbie when the coke's got you brave. And you said you're glad. Yeah, I know. It's a good line, isn't it? Boring Barbie. Libelous a little bit. Well, only if we know who it's about, Jo, which we don't. Which we don't, do we? No. Oh no. And the next line is, you said you're glad he ghosted me. And you say it makes you sick to see my face.

god I wouldn't want to fuck off Taylor Swift but in fairness if that's all true I'd be pretty annoyed as well I too would write a song about it I find these decoding things erm Just so stupid though sometimes. Sometimes it actually just... I watched this thing about myself the other day, not trying to, like, it was completely shite. I mean, there's nothing along those lines, but I was like, that is someone trying to decode something that was written about us. And I was like...

That is just so mental that someone is going to sit there and try and decode something that's not even fucking true. And it's just, I find it so fascinating and ridiculous that somebody would waste their time.

That's like how conspiracy theories start. People want the inside scoop. People don't want to accept things at face value. But ultimately, with all due respect, Taylor is intentionally doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, she does that with every album, doesn't she? She did it with Harry Styles as well.

While speculation continues by possible targets, Swift herself has not confirmed any names, but they know the person is British for some reason. I don't know why. They're obviously in the lyrics. The track includes lines such as, at least you know exactly who your friends are. They're the ones with matching scars. They stood by... of me before my exoneration they believed I was innocent I don't know anyway

Obviously today, I will do a little bit of a deep dive on this and get to the bottom of it. But you have to remember, we just assume that all these people are mates. There are no more mates than the rest of us. She does write about a lot of people. I loved when she was doing all that stuff about Harry Styles. And then I read this article.

yesterday again this is me whinging about decoding stuff and then also me getting involved in it because you can't help it I read this article that this girl who used to work on an airline a private jet airline basically we used to fly in Australia used to fly one direction around and she said that one of the all the boys had this competition to try and get a girl to sleep with them without

even saying a single word to a person. And one of them did. And I'm like, oh my God, that's so bad. That's such a misogynist fucking power playing. I hate that. Do you know, and again, I can't mention... names but there was a very famous male actor and I know for his 50th his friends booked him a female comic who I know to perform at his 50th birthday as an inside joke because he

like kind of doesn't like female comics yeah he always goes on about how much he doesn't think women are funny and he hates female comics they did they booked this female comic who she's she's excellent at her job

as a like inside joke to annoy him. I know. That's why when those one direction things, I'm like, whether it's true, I hope, well, it probably is true, to be honest, let's face it. I don't know. I don't, I just, I don't. Toxic. Maybe it is true, but I just, I just don't think that they would be. dickheads like that. But I... Oh, I'd read...

hoped that they wouldn't. Any man with power like that they always women just become so disposable to them. When I used to model in Ireland now I don't know if this is true or not but someone told me that there was a sports team that used to have like a hit list of like the models. that people had to try and get in Ireland.

And I was just like, oh God. And that literally made me be like, I will never ever score any of them ever because I just think that's, you don't want to be treated like a piece of meat. It's just grim. I know. And because there is this like uneven. power play between like regular female women and male celebrity and yeah and it's the same with female celebrity and regular men it's an uneven power dynamic so people end up kind of throwing themselves at those

Hollywood A-lister kind of vibes. Not all of them, but like, you know, it's intoxicating being around. I was around an A-list person once and it is intoxicating. you can tell they're like this person can have anything they want at any time of the day or night and I'm attracted to it it's hot also I think people when they're on stage and like when they're when you see their talent and stuff like that you kind of are drawn to it a little bit more it's just like a natural like Joanne when I see you

on stage I say to myself if I could have that girl I would have her in two seconds just kind of what happens when someone's on stage but that's because you're a woman the men come to the show and they leave going what a nightmare Yeah. I wouldn't touch off that if she was on fire. I leave going, oh God, how am I going to tell her I have feelings for her? You're like, I can't look her in the eye.

I'm like Vogue let's recalibrate Vogue are you not coming backstage you know I actually had to I had to get home for the kids Vogue put your pants back on please This is an industry drinks event. That's it for two weeks. We're gone. I'm off to Riyadh. Imagine this went out and then Joanne's just posted about her first class flight. Had a change of heart, guys. Yeah. With the Saudi prince. Sorry, just turning off the comments.

So funny, comments disabled. Everyone, we will miss you. We will miss you a lot, but we're going to see you. I'll miss you too, but I won't really because I'll see you all the time anyway. See you next week. Back on Friday, the 24th of October. Friday 24th of October.