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Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim, sweetie. Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw that day. Just the knife and the kidneys over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to love you. Oh my gosh. Part 2. Part 2 of Season 1, Episode 9.
Boy, there's a lot to cover. Season 1 episode 9 sister wives honeymoon special Now we broke this into two episodes basically to spare you listening to us for two hours talking about this episode because there was so much coverage, so many back and forths. And so much was so gross. This is that you you, you had multiple times during this episode where you felt grossed out. So we want to make sure to spread that, spread that grossness, spread that love. We're really just thinking about
you. When it comes to my Sister Wives podcast, we do put the listeners first. OK. We are clearly overwhelmed with the amount of grossness that we have taken in and it has affected us and we will get our acts together for you. Yes, but thank you for giving us the grace that the original wives, the OG 3 have given Robyn. You're giving us that grace. The honeymoon might be a lot, but we needed our own little honeymoon.
We need a little break. So jumping back in from where we ended at the last episode, Kody and Robyn are on their honeymoon in San Diego and the wives are taking all of the children. The the other three wives, Meri, Janelle, and Christine, are taking the kids to on a picnic in the park.
And basically, we've watched them have shenanigans and blah, blah blah blah, getting the kids ready and then they're finally at the park after, yeah, whatever it took and Meri handing kids knives in plastic bags. And Kody and Robyn have been in San Diego and it has been absolutely disgusting And as Ali said, gross. Yes. Yes, yeah, Logan is taking charge and doing great, Meri says he has really stepped up. Christine says. Well, especially when Kody's not
around. Yeah. And Janelle kind of elaborates on how they treat their older children kind of as young adults, which you definitely see. They don't do a lot of the babying of children really. I mean, they do, they're affectionate and all of that, but they don't baby. And as the kid kids get older, they really do, you know, kind of expect them to jump in and help out. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
I think that's great. They do say that they treat their teens like they're young adults. I scratch my head a little bit about the mild parentification of this stuff, like, you know, having kids have too much responsibility when it comes to taking care of their younger siblings. As an oldest child, I feel like my perspective is that it's mostly OK. My experience was that it was mostly OK because I didn't mind leaning into like making meals and helping out with my
brothers. I it just kind of seemed it just kind of came naturally to me. And I get that sense from Logan as well. It doesn't seem like he's begrudgingly doing anything. They do use him as an example in the show. Other siblings are doing it as well. But he's definitely their example of like, oh, look at him stepping up in his dad's absence. And it doesn't really bother me. But I've read online it seems to bother other people this
parentification. I, I think there's healthy ways to do it and unhealthy ways to do it right. Like if parents are just sitting back twiddling their thumbs and not parenting at all while their children are parenting, that is problematic. Now, asking your children to participate in the activities of your family and of your home. I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.
And it does teach them responsibility and it helps them once they jump into that world out there, know how to do some of these things. You see some people that get out on their own and have no clue. But that's an interesting point that you made about the oldest child myself also oldest child. And it's interesting to think that yeah, there are like 4 oldest children in their family, right?
Like, and they're simultaneously doing probably similar things and I, I'm sure that probably gets highlighted in different ways about all of them, like throughout the years and stuff. But Logan is definitely the one right now that is taking on a brunt of responsibility. I think the only thing I don't like about it is the reason kind of why he's having to do some of that stuff. And it's because his dad's absent because he's choosing to be with otherwise.
Like I just, I don't know how to reconcile that in the brain, right? Like, I know that this is their family and this is their culture, but like, he's just choosing to bring additional people into the family and to give you less time. Like that's what's being chosen. So it's hard to reconcile in that brain for me. Like, but I'm still your kid too. You're just telling me that now I get less and less and less of your time, You know? I don't know.
I don't know. And we do see that later with particularly the older girls, like Logan's the oldest, and then there are other girls that particularly like Christine's daughters and then Meri's child Leon, who do also have these leadership roles and kids, you know, they take care of things. And I think that's just kind of what happens in families.
And on a personal note, I wasn't mad about it because I think it helped me with some, I don't want to like over dramatize it, but with some leadership ability with some like get it done this with being able to like manage things and and that's definitely helpful going into the real world. Also noteworthy, the camera work during this picnic outing atrocious. Like, they did, they had, like, you know, they were roasting the marshmallows on the sticks.
And at one point, the camera, like, zooms in to, like, Gwendolyn with her little marshmallow that's on fire. But like, it's not focused on anything and it's just distracting. It's just like this. Oh, my God. I was nauseous. Yeah. What are you doing? Stop it. And then it just kept jiggling around all over the goddamn place. They definitely didn't have their stabilizers on or something. It was, it was a lot. It was. Like is it a home video?
But I don't think so. Like yeah, while Logan is kind of manning the grill bit, they show him flipping burgers and doing the things cause Kody's absent shock. Fucking his other wife. Sorry. They show Peyton yelling at Aurora for taking his spot in a folding chair, which is a it's funny to see because as kids, like, oh, you took my chair and blah, blah, blah.
And he would not let it go. And Logan tried for a second and then just kind of gave up because once again, like he's not a parent, he's just playing this role. But I think it's interesting because Christine talks about how Peyton picks on the new sisters. And there's something about this that I'm not sure gets addressed a lot in the show. But there will be times where we notice Peyton's absence in the show. There were they don't show him doing much.
And there is a little bit of something with him picking on his siblings as time goes on where he's maybe crosses some lines. And I think this is the first time where we see him not giving up on something that doesn't really matter. And he's so young, So what are you going to do? I mean, we're certainly not trying to psychoanalyze a child, but just pointing out that in the future, there are times that we won't probably see much of
him. And maybe it's because a lot of the footage might be unflattering. Oh, interesting. I guess I don't know if I'm really aware of that, but now. Yeah, because in the future there are issues with him and Gwendolyn and actual issues. Actually now, yeah, I probably saw some Tik toks about that. And I don't know the details of those things. We're just doing some foreshadowing of foreshadowing. And then they cut to the three wives around the fire in an
interview moment. A3 for one spotlight moment. So I'm I'm not. For one spotlight I like that spotlight I like. That I don't know that we should you know how cruel make them all share a spotlight like oh God, but. Hey, they chose this Life, OK?
Meri talks about how it's no secret that her and Kody have had serious issues and that she detaches from the family when she's upset with Kody, and we talked about this in our recap of Episode 8. How Meri is now referencing at the end of the season these big issues and these problems that she has in her relationship with Kody, but yet while they're filming earlier, I don't really know that there's any big
things. I mean, they show their honeymoon dinner and that was an awkward conversation, but it's almost like, did I miss something? Like, why is Meri's relationship with Kody so horrible? I don't really know. You know, that's a good point. And I guess I'm not sure if she specifically said exactly what
the issues have been. I think that we have seen some instances where maybe they were not on the same page infertility wise and things like that, but she doesn't necessarily say that those are their big issues, you know, But I think it was pretty clear that it was 1 and that they certainly weren't on the same page about that. I think sometimes when she talks about her jealousy issues, she's not talking about this as if it's been the first time she's been jealous.
I think that she probably had moments of that with both Janelle and Christine as well, and maybe also just jealousy moments of the amount of children every other wife has. And so, like if I was trying to pinpoint without hearing the words from her mouth about some of their big issues, those would be the things that would come to mind. Yeah, and that absolutely. She does talk about jealousy.
There's just something about the scope of which it was approached before these final episodes that makes me go was this such? If this was such a big deal, why are we just hearing about it now? Kind of. Right but right. We have also heard these kernels before, so maybe I'm just an insensitive man. Typical man, you know. But she hasn't specifically said it. Like she hasn't specifically said these are the things we've really been struggling with over the years. Like, yeah, it's that has
certainly not. It's almost like a reference to things that we don't know about or like that's not part of the family, which is another thing that is weird with her. It's like, I don't know. But she does say, and I think that that's part of it, that she detaches from everybody else
when she does have these issues. And so I can only imagine that if you're feeling like you're struggling with your husband, but you're seeing him in other relationships that maybe aren't at least seemingly that way or you wouldn't be shared the details if they had struggles as well. You're probably sitting there going how awful is my life?
And look at how great theirs is. And just, you know, going into this rabbit hole of insanity and, yeah, you're already detaching yourself from everybody else. So then that's creating other dynamics within the family and the other kids and the other wives and all of this, which we know from the future that other children have very interesting perceptions of how Meri parented them and how Meri was involved in their relationship. So yeah, I mean.
And you are foreshadowing experiences that other wives share in the future about that. How do I sit here and watch someone have a healthy marriage with someone when I don't? And that brings about a whole like, I don't know what that means. I've never been in that situation. That would be a lot to manage. Could not, yeah. So one relationship is hard
enough, right? One relationship is hard enough to balance any of the challenges that you go through, let alone like just think about watching your friends be in relationships, right? And like whether you are in a relationship or not, there are aspects of that that you either maybe admire or like, thank the Lord, you know, like I'm glad I'm not in that situation. I just you're right, like having you be one of four in this picture.
It just seems nearly impossible to me to have, like, a healthy psychological balance for all of these women. Like, like, how is there a way? And that's not even necessarily like a fault of Kody Brown. Well, I would blame him for every single thing I can, right? Like, I am not. This is not your second pass. Oh, but he does have two more before the end of the season. Well, I think it's for the lifetime of the. Show, I'm sorry, you're right.
You're right. We did not have a deadline on it. Thank you. I was like, God, I can't have to. No, he does get two more passes. I possibly cannot handle this out, but but yeah, it's interesting, you know, they're when they're around the fire like that to. Janelle tells Meri that she's really impressed with how she has evolved. Because Janelle thinks it's really impressive that Meri is starting to share these feelings with how she does feel with Robyn coming in and some of this
stuff. Because for Janelle and Christine, it's new to hear the stuff from Meri, right? Like they are not used to her opening up and sharing her, her feelings like that. So that was interesting. And then Janelle also said, well, I've always been a lot less needy. Like I'm just not as needy as you are. She didn't, she didn't throw it as a dig, but it was interesting. Maybe Meri even said, like, well, I know you've never really
had to deal with these feelings. And Jill's like, I'm just, I'm just not that needy. Right. And yeah, Meri says that she thinks Janelle has always been independent. Yes. Yes, yes. And, you know, I'm not quite sure what to think about the whole Meri doesn't express herself because I feel like in the future they that narrative is actually flipped where it was like Meri was always expressing herself and I didn't know how to like deal with that.
So it's like, I don't really know about that, but in this moment it makes sense maybe. She's found a healthier way to express herself. Instead of out of anger and frustration, she's just having a level headed conversation about it. Maybe that's the difference. That is probably true. Kody says it's all about sensitivity when it comes to his wives.
He's just, you know, he's so sensitive, which is funny because we have literally seen him be insensitive repeatedly in Season 1. Well, the sentence that followed, It's all about sensitivity was I've spent my fair share of time being insensitive. Oh my God. So clearly he's on the right path because he knows that's important. He doesn't always do it. He's trying to be better, I guess. I don't know.
The wives say that Kody always runs into emotional landmines when he returns to them or returns home. I guess that makes sense, but I don't know. What do you think? Yeah, they were kind of describing both what he has to deal with when he gets home, but also kind of what they need from him when he gets home because they said that they needed him. Maybe it was, I don't know if it was Janelle, probably Christine. That's sorry. I didn't mean that to sound like Christine.
But they said that they needed him to fill their emotional bank, right? Like their Piggy Bank, but their emotional bank. And sometimes they didn't feel like they got that in return from him. So they felt a little depleted and that he wasn't doing the right things to make up for that. Christine said she wished that she didn't care this much like that she wanted to be more independent and to not let this
affect her. Like, she hates the fact that this new situation that they're in is affecting her like this. And I think that's kind of telling with how things progress with Christine, too, right? Yeah, they discuss. Like, is it ridiculous to think about him too much? Right. Like in their absence, is it ridiculous to think about him too much? And I'm going like, well, he's your husband. So it's weird coming from a monogamous background to think, well, what are you talking about?
Like if your spouse is spending a bunch of time with someone else, of course it's not ridiculous to think about it, But also they signed up to have their spouse spend this time with another person. I know, it's so counterintuitive, all of it. Like it just does not like there's not a safe balance thing. Like, of course you're going to still be crazy about stuff. Like, of course you're you're crazy still going to come through with all of that. Yeah.
You know, like, absolutely. You know, I really thought it was rich though, that then Meri refers to Kody as the glue that holds them all together. Yeah, right. Is there something about glue coming from like a horse factory? I don't know. There's something like. The sheer look of terror on my face, like oh, don't. Do that. Don't do that. But really? Allegedly. But this is true. I mean, you know, Meri does say that. And I guess you know, in in a way that's true.
I mean, they're all married to him. Listen, I think Kody was supposed to be the glue that holds this whole family together. He's supposed to be the glue. And when he starts failing at that duty, this family falls apart. Like literally you can blame the demise of his marriages on no one but him. Like he was in 4 marriages at one time and only one has survived. The onus of that is only on one person and it is him. So like sorry Sir, you were the glue.
You should have been the glue. You built this whole big thing for all of these people and then you dropped the ball. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You were some shitty glue. Basically you were glue that didn't hold it together. Elmer's instead of super. Yes, yes, the kind. You can just play Elmer's instead of Gorilla. Elmer's instead of Gorilla. He's the Elmer's when you need Gorilla 100. Yeah, loser.
Kody Brown is a loser. So then we flashback to beautiful sunny San Diego and Robyn insists that Kody call his wives. She required it from him when he and Meri were in Mexico for their anniversary. So I think that's an interesting tidbit that she basically told him. I don't know. Yeah, I might be putting some words in Robyn's mouth, but you need to call me while you're in Mexico with Meri.
And therefore, now that the roles are reversed and he's on vacation with her, she is adamant that he call his wives to check in on them and to talk to them. And that's coming from someplace. I don't know what place that is, but I think it's interesting. I found it very interesting that after they had that Robyn and Kody clip and then Kody was calling the other wives, one of them, I'm not sure if it was Meri Christine or Janelle, but one of them said Kody is really growing and improving.
It's not all Robyn like, like it was implied that Robyn is making him do all of these things. And they were like, no, I just think he's really evolving and growing and getting better. And so now he does this and it's like, no, you lunatic, she is doing that. But she was telling him to do this because she thought that it would be meaningful to the other
wives, which is admirable. And I think that that's great, but the the underlying truth is that it's because she wants to be able to ask that of him and have that be OK. So what she is doing is saying, well, if you do this for them when you're with me, then I can ask for this when you're with them and it's not a problem. So again, it's the right words, but it's not necessarily the right actions.
Like there is manipulation behind it, and if it's not intentional manipulation, there is an underlying something that she is doing. It's like she's trying to build a framework. She's trying to have something happen where he is expressing himself to his wives. He's connecting with them, but it's not of his volition. Like I, he doesn't come out straight and say, oh, I don't want to talk to my wives or I wouldn't call them.
But when someone's making you communicate with another person, that doesn't mean that you want to bottom. Line No. And she's just looking out for her own interests. And she just wants to be able to say that Kody is the best husband that there is around. He is such a good husband. He loves his wife so much. Look at all he does for his whole family and all of his wives. But what she's not taking into account is truly how he's treating his other wives, truly
how they are receiving. Yeah, all of this truly how his hi, truly sorry a lot about you and all of these things, but like she she's she wants to be able to project that he's just this, you know, gem and it's like, listen, that might be what you need. They talk about their needs being so different, right? Like they all need different things from him. You're getting what you want. Nobody else is girl, like nobody else is. And you're not even recognizing it.
And it's barely started. You're 2 weeks in, you know. She needs him to demonstrate her talking point of Part of the reason that I fell in love with Kody was how he treated his other wives, so she really needs him to look like he is actually treating his wives well. And she says she wants the other wives to feel secure. And it's like, bitch, please. Like, you do. Not you. Yeah. You just don't want them to cause problems for you. You don't want them to feel
secure. You just don't want them to be problematic. Totally. It's like mild villain thing or something. Like, I just want these people to feel this way so that they feel feel that way. It's like, OK, whatever. Speaking of somebody getting in their feels. Janelle, yeah, yeah, Janelle and her feels when she talks about ignoring Kody's phone calls. I was dead. Yeah, it was a little. There was a little bit of sequencing issues with her description and what we learned
a few minutes later. But from what I gathered, it sounded like perhaps for as much as seven days she ignored his phone calls and she references that he called 5 or 6 times in a row at one point and she finally gave up and answered. It was interesting to see Janelle talk about how they're growing closer as a family by having a new wife join while also ignoring his phone calls because she is upset. She was pissed. She was very mad.
And, you know, it kind of doesn't really align with her cool, calm, collected, you know, worker mentality or what they this thing they give her, this trope they place on her, when in all reality, yeah, she's fucking pissed. Do you think it was because she was mad she didn't get sex for 11 days? Oh God. No. Well, that was maybe part of it. I don't know how particularly horny Janelle was at this time.
I think Janelle has a healthy sex drive and I don't think there is much else that would make her that mad. Yeah, like what is Kody really doing for her? Right? Like how is he really helping her? Well like you said like one out of every 10 times. She could maybe need help with something. He might have been there, and then anything else outside of that is probably just the big O, I'm guessing. I don't know, you know, the way that she makes him. She was so mad. And she's. First decline.
Decline. Yes. Decline. Decline. Oh my God. Wow. Yeah, You know, maybe Janelle was also sexually frustrated. I, I don't know, there was, it was some big feelings that she is still not over probably to this day. So. But in classic Janelle fashion, does she really get into the details of those things? No. So now we are left to speculate that it's because she wasn't getting her thing done. Well she just kept saying 11 days is too long, 11 days is too
long. So I'm reading the the like undertones of what she is. Which I cannot identify with because 11 days, that's that a long time ago. No shame, no shame in this game. No shame. Sorry. I'm protecting my shame on you.
Another thing I picked up on in their kind of spotlight moments, particularly Robyn and Kody, is, and this touches on what we were just discussing, is that Robyn seems to be what I thought is that she's like coaching Kody in these moments about the importance of making his wives feel important. It's like she keeps reiterating these points in front of him in a way to like demonstrate what he should be saying or thinking and he's just kind of like agreeing and nodding.
And also, they're on their honeymoon, so I think he's probably thinking about how he just wants to get off camera and like, oh, have sex or something. But it's just the word coaching to me stuck out in my head. She is like leading him along what he should be saying and it drives me nuts. I hear you. Because she was telling him that
he needed to do better. Yeah, Now just listening to you describe it that way, there's a level of like, this man has been married to these women, what, 1617 and 20 years? Yeah. So the fact that Robyn wants to come in now and start training him on how to treat his wives is kind of rich, right? Because, like, they have made it 1617 and 20 years without her involvement. And it hasn't been easy and he certainly hasn't been perfect. But oh, the irony that her trying to train him into a
better husband. Yeah actually makes 3 divorces happen right? Like. And then on the flip side is her like sacrificial lamb bit like. Oh, the martyr, the martyr. Yeah, exactly. Like, oh, I just wanted him to be the best for his wives. It's like. OK, well you did say that in front of him to in hopes that he would agree like. And then you lost the life that you had always hoped for. I wanted to sit on the porch with my sister wives.
OK, that's we're getting way ahead of ourselves, but anyone who knows, knows and you'll know what we're talking about. Yeah, that was rich, I mean. Yep, at one point. Then during these interviews, Kody and Janelle both talk about how they started as friends and Janelle says that they were best friends and Kody talks about how they weren't romantic, they were basically just platonic friends and Kody and Janelle don't seem to be on the same page about romance and the wives different
positioning. Christine says that Kody never valued her as an intellectual. Yes. And Meri says that the grass is always greener. So it seems like they're all just kind of recognizing their different perspectives. But the main point that I picked up on was that Janelle and Kody were platonic. They were friends. She says they're best friends, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, OK, well, I don't know. You were married to Meri's brother and you clearly have like, some sort of sexual thing.
So I'm imagining being Meri and watching Janelle become quote UN quote best friends with Kody while she's married to him. Like there's something a little weird there, but I think the emphasis is really that they didn't have some sort of wild romance in their perspective. They both really think that they were just like good friends. And I don't remember if it was Kody kind of analyzing this or if it was somebody else, I'm not
sure. But it was alluding to the fact that even though, sorry, even though Janelle and Kody didn't have that romantic relationship, that maybe now that she was seeing that with Robyn, like seeing him have a romantic relationship with Robyn, that maybe she was desiring more of that. I don't know that I buy that about Janelle a lot, but maybe there is something that was making her doubt her connection with him in some fashion, right? Like. That could be.
I don't, I don't really know what it was. I was heartbroken that Christine didn't feel like she was valued as an intellectual. Like I thought that was pretty. I thought that was pretty big. And I think that that's why she ends up where she does, because she just never thought that she was valued and respected and treated in a way that she should have been over the years. You know, like, I don't know. It's funny to hear you say that your heart was broken because I
kind of just. Laughed because she's not an intellectual. Yeah, I mean, I just kind of like, I just kind of shrug my shoulders because I'm like, yeah, like, Christine, you're not an intellectual. Like, literally, I don't know why you think you would be valued for that. But I'm an asshole so I don't know what to say. Well, maybe it's not the right
word that she used. Maybe what she means is more like, now I'm trying to find the right way to picture this, but like, she does have good qualities, right? Like she is. Yeah. She. She is a great caretaker. She is like a great cook. And she can do all of these different things, like I Intellectual maybe or maybe not the right word for her. Yeah. But maybe there's a lot we don't know about her, too.
I don't know. Yeah. I just think it showed that she didn't believe that he appreciated her in the same way that he did his other wives. I think. I think that it means that he didn't think she was as smart and as valuable as his other wives. And that's what she felt from the beginning. Whether it's the right word or not, I think those were the feelings. And putting words into her mouth, perhaps, you know, dismissed and set aside that kind of thing.
I mean that that was the vibes to take away. It just didn't hit me in any real fields. Well, I mean, I don't know, I was going to. Like I can't imagine marrying someone who I feel like doesn't take me seriously. Like I don't even know what that means. I don't know. I'm going to let you in on a big secret. Sometimes when you marry people, you believe they feel one way about you, right? And then sometimes, yeah, things change. And then they change.
Fair enough from a single person's perspective who's never been married. I'm not even saying just from my perspective in that I'm saying from watch the show, yes, what they thought they were marrying was a dairy, dairy different, very different situation than what they got, you know? Amen. There's also a little clip of Kody and Meri on the phone while. He's in San. Diego and to me it feels like they're speaking completely different languages.
It's like he's doing this obligatory check in because Robyn's made sure that he knows that it's important and she's talking about dreams or he brings up the dreams. They must have had a discussion about dreams. She, the way that she's responding would have made me ask, like, you OK, or dive into it a little bit. And maybe it's just because they're on camera, but they seem to be completely disconnected from my perspective.
Also what was super off putting about it was that Kody is sitting in their hotel room with Meri on speakerphone and talking to Meri all lovey dovey while Robyn is in the bathroom in the same room. Yeah. And what do I think happened? I think Kody was putting on a show for Robyn. And I think that Meri knew that Kody was putting on a show for Robyn and could tell that she was on speakerphone and knew that what he was saying was not
truly what he meant to say. And he even talked about like a text exchange they had had about like their dreams or something. I couldn't follow any of that shit. But I'm like, is Robyn telling you what to text your other? Why? Oh God. Like there was an ick factor to that big time. And I think Meri was picking up on the ick factor and he was not obviously because he thought look at me killing it. I talked about my dreams with my first wife, you know, like, and I don't. It was gross, yeah.
And I don't remember exactly what was said, but there was an element to of him ushering her in a direction like he, I feel like he thinks he's manipulating these people in a way that they never pick up on. But this is an example where I do think Meri was not into it, but he was definitely doing some sort of manipulation tactic with. Some of the things like I want you to think about that or next time try it that way or something like that.
It was a way of guidance in how she should do something in the future, most certainly the whole thing. Yeah, it was totally a gag worthy moment. Now, if there had been a camera in Meri's house receiving that phone call #1 would be curious to see how different it would be. But Oh my gosh, if her actual like, body language during that was cat like, Can you imagine the look on her face? Yeah, if that's what she was perceiving, she was. She was cold.
She was not warm and fuzzy other than saying like I miss you at the beginning. And then she kind of realized what was happening and she was grossed. Out. Yeah, Yeah. It must be so disappointing to be on the other end of a call like that, to be on the receiving end of that call like gross. Gross. Gross, weird. We're back and also like, she gets to watch this in the future, like, you know. Like she gets to. See that That's what he did.
Yeah. Oh yes re watching something that you had a gut check or feel about and then to see it just confirms. Validated. Yeah, we are so disgusted. It's so bad, all right, The, the, the lovely couple, the couple that we're just so enthralled with, the people's couple, the people's couple. Whose people? The people's the worst people you've ever met. The worst people you've ever met. Couple comedy and Robyn. I just needed that clarification.
Return to the homeland, to Utah. And so they're back in town and they're getting back into the swing of things, blah, blah, blah. But of course there's some sort of like, we're getting together, blah, blah, blah, whatever. They start with Christine talking about a conversation she had with Robyn where she asks Robyn or states, I guess it's a statement and a question. Tell me you needed this.
And Robyn said that she did. And Christine says that that's sad, and I didn't really, really get that. I did not follow this at all. It was weird because it seemed like Christine was trying to say what my interpretation of it was, was that Christine was saying if Robyn really needed this, then that's great, I'm glad she had it and I'm going to give it to her or whatever. But then she said that that's
sad. And I'm like, well, what's sad is, are your feeling sad or is it sad that Robyn needed a honeymoon? Like I didn't really get it. OK, so if I'm being bitter, cynical me when she first asked Robyn, just tell me that you needed this. She asked it because I mean, they were. We know that this was her motive in asking the question, right? That they were all still so fucking pissed that he was gone for 11 days. That she's like, I just need to know that you needed this, Robyn.
And it's like, first of all, what does that fucking change doesn't change anything. If Robyn needed this, that doesn't fucking matter. You're still mad at your husband husband because he prioritized her for nearly two weeks over you and the other wives and your children. PS By the way, so like, so like, get the fuck out of here with all of that. Like I, I, I don't quite understand the motivation, but behind asking the question I do not get yeah, where she was going with like.
Where was she ever going to go with it? Well, right. And then of course, what's probably going to say no, I just want to take away your husband. I was just being self. I didn't mean silly me. Oh, I didn't realize that would be problematic for you. My bad. Like, no, of course she's going to say yes. I needed this. Yeah, but the. Oh, that's so sad. And it was in a Christine tone of voice. Oh, that's so sad. Like, what do you mean it's so
sad? Is it sad because you are now realizing that if Robyn needs something, her needs are going to be prioritized over yours? Is that what's sad? And we're just not allowing to frame that full picture right now. Is it sad that Robyn just felt like she wasn't getting enough the whole courting period? Is that what's sad? What the fuck's sad? I think it's sad that Christine's not an intellectual.
Oh shit. Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was like an error or an omission or something that was missed because the that sad bit, I mean, I, I know what you're saying, like. Thinking about what could it mean, but I honestly just didn't even get it at all. No, it seemed like they left us hanging with something like they did not complete the picture or the puzzle, if you will. I think the only thing they kind of even went to after that was just that they all have different needs at different
times, right? Which, yes, obviously they do. You know, in editing, they cut to Kody saying that he and Robyn did need a long honeymoon because the family is so large and that the other wives didn't have kids when they got married. So I think that was maybe a tie in to some of the like, why did you need such a long honeymoon? I don't know if that was supposed to be an answer to that. He also kind of said though that like the other wives also had a
unique experience. Like he may be equated the time frame differently because of children, but at the beginning he was like Oh no, every wife had a unique experience for their honeymoon. I suppose in the sense that it wasn't planned or executed well. And that they took a road trip of varying hours or days and ended up in certain places and some got sick and some didn't and some hated it and some didn't. So you are right, unique experiences, I guess that's what he means.
Yeah, he didn't say good experience. No, he didn't. He said unique the strategory behind this man sometimes. Did you catch Robyn's like a little emotional tidbit after that though? What did? What was that? She was talking about the length of time that they had been gone and that there had been maybe some frustration on otherwise parts. And she said that she she was not quite sobbing, but she was a little teary eyed.
And she said that the sisterhood that she had been promised had gotten yanked away like sometimes throughout this whole like courting process and the fields and then the honeymoon that this, this sisterhood had gotten yanked away. But now that they're back and everybody's together, she has a glimpse of hope. Good, you want. Robyn was really worried about her.
The whole time everyone was really worried about Robyn's hope, and she talks about how she wants relationships with the wives as much as she wants them with Kody, so she's got these talking points down for. Bullshit. Verb. She definitely had some sort of things to say. Were they based in reality and do I believe them? Jury's still out on that. Do you know why at this point in the episode they cut to the
wives shopping, it seems. I don't really know if there's some sort of reason they did this other than that. Maybe they just had some footage they wanted to put in, but all of a sudden they're shopping. Do you remember why? Yes. So they had returned home and Kody wanted to get the whole family together for a dinner, but he didn't want the wives to have to prepare that. So he sent all of the wives. I say he sent generously. I don't know whose idea it was for them to have a shopping
trip. Yeah, someone more thoughtful to him. Yes, Correct. And him to prepare dinner with the kids. But that's what was happening. They were out shopping and he was at home with the kids preparing dinner. I also remember there was a point that they were in the midst of preparing dinner and he started reading instructions off of a bag of tater tots. Like just aloud to the kitchen. He goes, someone needs to listen to this 'cause you have to cook it like Tater. Tots He.
Had a bag of tater tots that he was reading the directions aloud like somebody listened, 'cause you got to do it. Like what are you doing, Sir? Oh my gosh, now that is funny to think that you need that. You couldn't just tell a kid, hey, turn the oven onto this temperature and put him in for this long that he needed to read it to another child and they needed to be aware. Like, this is it. But that was it. So.
And it was actually cute. Him and the kids cooking dinner was cute, but that's why the women were shopping. And oh boy, they're shopping. And they're shopping now. I do have to give Kody Father of the Year award for making dinner for his own children or insisting that they be on top of the Tater Tots or whatever it is. I guess he probably, you know, dismembered and burned an animal. I just, I don't know God. Listen, he grilled steaks. He made them do everything else.
He wore an apron that said I turn the grill on. Yes, he did. He turns the grill on. Gross. Listen, it wouldn't be that off putting from some people. Why does it say I'm a little wet over here girl? We will evaluate that later because that's. I might need to go to the. Urgent care. There could be an ER visit in your future if that is making you horny. Or that I'm wet, period. But OK. Yep. Amen. Well, what can? Yep, Yep. Where are people of a certain age, Sir?
This is a family podcast. This is a podcast you can listen to with your kids and your grandkids. So while they're shopping. OK, so I thank you for talking about why they were shopping because I literally was like why the fuck are they shopping? But that's right, because Kody wanted them to have a nice meal and not prepare it and nice as an air quotes. I mean there are tater tots, so Amen. The steak looked good. Though OK, yes, the steak actually did look good.
OK Christine while they're shopping though points out that a top is unflattering on Robyn and Robyn seems to take it personal and she talks about her being the the shirt makes her look flat chested. OK whatever I guess you know Christine has bigger boobs than Robyn but I was just disturbed because the top was literally horrendous. The whole dress was terrible. Christine just wasn't trying to hurt her feelings. Yes, the entire outfit was disturbing. It looked like something she
would later put on a doll. It had ruffles and buttons and it was OK, OK, I OK. Before I used to say little little house on the merry. Oh, I've upped my game. Oh my God, it's little blouse on the merry. Oh, pretty proud of that. I gotta say I'm pretty proud. So little. Blouse on the merry. Oh my God. So we had Little blouse on the merry and now we've got this hideous outfit on Robyn and Christine is being a good sister wife and saying she's just.
Saying don't buy that fucking dress like coming up with any reason it looks odd. Yeah, and. It looked terrible and Robyn seemed to be taking it all. I'm going to go cry in the corner and it's like, girl, it just doesn't look good on you. Like hello. What about the next outfit she tried on though? Like this? Shirt I've had a trauma response. I've missed it. I missed it. It was. Like just like a long sleeved red T-shirt type of situation
but be dazzled up the side. And I'm going to say like dragon pattern but probably not dragon pattern. But I couldn't look close enough to see the pattern because it was so disturbing. So that thing landed on with the correct purchase for her because she looked great in it also looked like a teenager. Also her boobs did look OK. It was very form fitting. So it did show that she still had boobs, but it was like a shirt that the teenage daughters
would buy. Yeah, it was a interesting thing for Puddle Monkey Productions to keep in with Christine giving that advice to her, because as a viewer, it certainly didn't seem like an attack on Robyn's physique or her body. It was like, listen girlfriend, this doesn't look good on you and like. Also, it's not going to look good on anyone. It's a terrible dress. Oh my God, it would look. It's a terrible dress. It should be burned. It should be burned.
It was not cute. Yeah, maybe a goth chick could do that dress, right, like somebody with the right attitude up, like, you know, head attitude. Yeah, the right boots, like some attitude could do that dress. But simple SOB and Robyn cannot. Some early 2000s Orange County, like those girls that are all like, oh, look, I'm, I think I'm Gwen Stefani. Maybe some chain jewelry, like not necessarily chain, but like long drapey and some bracelets. Yes. There there's a place in time
for that dress. It was not on Robyn's body today. Yeah. And the time and place might require you to squint and blur your vision, but it could be there. It was awful and horrendous. And Robyn feigning that it was offensive is so stupid. Fuck Robyn. Fuck Robyn. She's so dumb. She can't even take good advice from a friend. Like, if a friend was literally like, that shirt looks bad, she'd be like, Oh my God, I'm going to take it personal. You're an idiot. OK, Chris, don't worry.
Robyn's not here in the room with me. Show me on this doll where Robyn hurt you. Thank. God, knock knock knock on the back door. Fuck. Oh my God, Robyn's here. OK, Robyn, Good. Now I'm going to start myself on fire, OK? And then cut to Kody talking about I still have as much love for Meri, Janelle and Christine as I ever had. And I'm like, OK, what prompted that? Like, once again, I have to question, I wonder, did producers prompt this with some sort of question?
Because it's like, where is this coming from? He's probably being questioned about it. To me, it felt just like just like a bullshit Kody line. Did it move you in any way? Well, no, I thought it was dumb because again, we're saying the right words, but our actions are not matching our words. And so you can say that you have just as much love for them. You know, right now he might in theory have just as much love for them as he did before. But we can see that it's changing.
We know that it's changing and we know that it's because of Robyn. I do think there is a level of her that is saying, remember to say that. Remember to say that you love Christine, Janelle and Meri just as much as you love me because everybody has to know that you love them just as much as you love me. And she, I think, is probably sensing the way this is all going to come across eventually. And you know, it's funny, even back then, it didn't come across that way.
It just came across as they're adjusting dynamics. They're they're riding this wave, they're trying to figure out how their family is going to work it. I don't think however many years, 15 years ago ish when we watched this, I don't think I thought, Oh my God, they're never going to get through this. No, I just thought Kody was a sleazeball. I thought he was skeezy. You know, he's got that like douchey undertone, overtone, undertone midtone. He's got the douchey thing 100%.
So of course from the beginning I was like, this guy is ridiculous. And I did judge the wives because I'm a judgmental person, but I was not expecting like this family is going to fall apart in every way possible. I think we still gave their family some credit. I think that even though we judged a lot of things as as we fucking should have, by the way, none of the the current day situations would be what I would have predicted. Like, I just wouldn't have seen that happening.
I would have seen some drama coming for sure. But like, I think I would have thought they would have worked it out after as many years as they had been together as a family, Yeah. So yeah, I definitely didn't predict that things that we know happen in the future would have happened. So moving into the wrap up of the episode, we have all of the family together eating this meal. The steak potato tots. No, what I love is I love a cheap potato with a piece of meat. So why am I judging?
I just can't help myself. But they're all eating this meal together. It seems wholesome. It seems lovey dovey like, oh, they're all eating together. One big, happy family. It was it was super cute and I liked, listen, I actually do like every time that I see Kody being an actual father to all of his children, like him is a father in Group environments with all of his children and even with all of the wives together. I think I always kind of like that vibe.
Like I there are moments of this that is always good. I think it was genuine. And I, again, I think these kids have real relationships and I think the wives have real relationships. And I think that there was this picture for not necessarily a fairy tale. I don't think any of them thought it was going to be a fairy tale, but something that would end very differently than what it turns out to. Yeah, Meri, I think kind of closed us out. Meri, Meri. Truly. Oh, truly.
Hello. Yeah. Inspirational. I have such a soft spot for Meri sometimes and I got to get over that because I'm not supposed to like Meri. I don't think we can't have a soft spot for Meri. Yeah, I know there's. I think we're going to have moments upcoming that we have less of them. Yeah, there's something about Meri. Isn't that a movie? Something about Meri? Yeah. Stiller, but Ben Stiller with the common the with the bodily excretion body body. Men with the semen in the hair.
Semen in the hair. OK, so there's something about Meri. Little blouse on the Meri. I just feel like you. Will do like little blouse on the Meri. I'm impressed. I do too. I know I was like this is. Good, yes. Like I feel like maybe I should change something online to like little blouse on the Meri, but I'm going to have to ask you to hold my feet to the fire when it comes to Meri because I go oh, Meri and then like 5 minutes later I'm like, Meri, you're a fucking mess.
So. But I also do love Meri. I don't know. I don't know, Meri. If you're listening, do. You think you're really going to give Meri more credit than she deserves? Because that hasn't happened yet. And I don't think it's going to happen, no. You put it that way. No, I'm definitely not going to give Meri more credit than she deserves. I think we're going to be OK. Yeah, OK, I know. I don't know why I'm asking for forgiveness in advance, yeah,
but. You're also asking me to do a task, and that's to hold your feet to the fire. And I'm just making it clear that a, I'm not going to do that task. I mean, maybe if I remember, I will. Yeah. But like, you'll do that to yourself. So I think I don't have to jump in on this. One I will, and I do suspect there will be a moment in the future where you'll be like Chris. OK. Stop. I promise you that if I acknowledge that moment, I will
tell you. What's an if I had a dollar for every time someone called me a packing Nazi, a tooth puller and a photography goddess? Nope, Photography Nazi cross out goddess. Red light, yes, thank you. Thank you for the correction. I would not have any money. So and then yes, we do move into this, you know, sound bite from Meri talking about how polygamy is like a woman becoming a mother because there is pain, there's discomfort, and then
there's a blessing. So the parallel that she's trying to draw between that and polygamy or being a polygamist wife, but probably polygamy in general. I think it's an interesting thing because it does make sense. I'm also like, I don't know, like you're choosing to do this thing. So I don't know. I'm going to say that it makes sense. I, I think that maybe part of what Meri forgot was to leave out some of the descriptors,
right? Because what she means is that, you know, if you become pregnant and are going to be a mother, there's a lot that catches you off guard that you're unaware of. And so there are times of extreme pain and discomfort. And that could be in burying the child, that could be in raising a child, that could be in
anything. But, but you don't necessarily know fully what you're getting into in that moment that you get into it. You know, you made a choice and in some fashion that this is happening, right? But you don't have all of the foreshadowing. You don't know exactly how that's going to work out. So you're going through this, this thing in your life that is meant to be the most important and the most exciting and the
most wonderful. And interestingly enough, it's not, it's painful and it's uncomfortable and it's not exactly what you thought it was going to be. But hopefully if you work all of work through all of those hard things, then yes, you get to that blessing. Is that something special? And that's where you end up? I think that's what she means. And I think that it was just an abridged version of how of the how all of those thoughts, feelings and opinions come out in really any circumstance in
life. It's not just that as an example, but I think a pretty relatable 1. And yeah, I mean. Yeah, I, I feel like when she starts talking about that, she references it as if it's something said in the culture, right? Like, as if it's a thing that particularly women can identify with and then can say, oh, this journey is going to be like this journey, yada, yada, yada, connect the dots. So it was an interesting way to kind of wrap up the episode.
They have a scene, they have footage of them blowing up the candles on the cake and then the episodes done and that's the end of the season. So what was this cake for? Was it just that they're all together? I think it was the family officially joining together. Yes, OK, yeah, the dessert of this important family meal, Yes. Where the wives got sent off to buy some ugly fucking clothing.
Oh my God, You know, I was doing a mental note in my brain when the wives all walked into the house after the shopping trip because I knew Robyn was going to have a shopping bag, but I wasn't sure. Or if any of the other wives have bought anything, right. Like I was, I was just like, you know, if that bitch Robyn, she got something and did the rest of them, I think they all did. I think they all have. OK, because I didn't notice I wasn't paying attention for.
That I think they did. I don't know that they all clothing. They might have gotten other things, but there were other shopping bags with wives, yeah. So I was happy about. That it wasn't just Robyn with all these bags and the wives trailing behind like staff or something. Exactly. Classic. And now we come to Ali's favorite part of every episode, Mustard Seed and Shit Stain. And we're always prepared with what we think. So, Ali, why don't you take us away with your mustard seed of
the episode? My mustard seed of this episode. I think my mustard seed is Christine. Oh, OK. Oh, out of left field I like. OK. All right. I think the reason that Christine is my mustard seed. I think, I'm not sure, but we're going to go with this part. I, I really, really liked her encouragement of Janelle and not thinking that she was illogical like I, I really liked that. I thought that was a really good sister wife actual move.
It really was a great signifier of their actual like she was think totally like there for each other, Yeah. And that's why they're still friends today, you know, like, you just could see that. And I, I liked her validating someone else's feelings. I and I think Christine's feelings maybe sometimes don't get validated enough. And that's why she struggles a little bit with some of stuff. Right. So I thought that was great. I'm going to give it to Christine. Yeah. Yeah.
I support this choice. I think it's a good choice because I agree with you. I'm not necessarily I was singing Christine's praises, but that was a really great sister wives moment. Like if I had a sister wife, I would hope they would be like, no, no, no, no, no. Like you are allowed to have your feelings. So that's great. I think my mustard seed, I'm going to give it to a non adult. I'm going to give it to Logan. Oh. I love that.
I know, right? I'm going to give it to Logan because stepping in as that parent parentified role, blah, blah, blah. Being the oldest, I identify with that as as you do as well. And I think he does it like I talked about earlier, he doesn't seem tied to it. He doesn't seem obligated to it. It seems to be natural and he just has this thing about him. He just seems like a good guy. He seems like a really nice person. He seems like he's well-intentioned.
He wants the best for people. He also uses humor at times where it's appropriate. Like he's like cracking jokes and kind of has an emotional intelligence about him that speaks loudly as someone who's not even an adult. He seems well put together and looking forward to seeing his journey. And I think Logan's great, so I got to give him my mustard seed. I love that. That's really good. I like it. Yeah, so for shit stains, right? Do you want to go first for shit stain? Sure, I pick Robyn.
Oh, Robyn. Weird. OK, isn't that weird? Why? Would you pick Robyn as a shit? Stain. I pick Robyn as a shit stain because she says the right words but she does not have the actions to follow behind it. And I think this was one of I probably said this 10 times this season and we're only 10 episodes in. But like, not even hoops. She says all of these things and I'm like, listen, you don't do that. You don't follow through on that.
You don't actually execute things in the way that that's how you want these other relationships to go. You are only looking out for yourself. It is clear that that is the case and you need to stop. So it's Robyn. Yeah, Amen. That is so true her she does use some language but the actions have not aligned thus far. And will they ever? I guess only the future will tell us. Oh, I have a question. Yeah. If we didn't know the future. Yeah, like the first time we
watch this, right? Yeah. OK. What do you think we thought of her then? I didn't really think much of her. I don't know, I just. Dumb. I just think I thought she was dumb as a box of rocks and just was there and I'm like. She's so milk toast. I just felt like she was just around. I certainly never thought anything nefarious. I didn't think anything I didn't read into it much at all to. Be honest I I feel the same.
Yeah, so my shit stain for this episode, which is funny that it's a 2 parter so it's pretty meaty. We've got a lot to cover. And my shit stain is going to be Meri. Oh my God, already. My shit stain is Meri because she was giving a child a plastic bag full of knives and being like be careful. OK, now you're reaching that it is a read, I mean. I'm not going to say Kody because it's Kody. Oh my God, he's always a shit stain and. OK, this is maybe Kody's second pass.
I'm handing the second pass off to you because you're giving him a pass when he should have a shit stain this week. Oh, I don't. I don't think I should accept such a big thing. If we're going to use trivial reasons like handing a kid bag and knives, OK, maybe that's not trivial, but I think kind of it is. I love that. I'm like, absolutely not.
That cannot be your shit stain. And I'm going like, I don't know, I kind of think it's Meri. I, I, I could say Kody because he's like flexing and gross and a bad husband. But at the end of the day, I, why is it so? This is so dumb. Mustard seed and shit stain should not be this hard. It should not be this hard. But you know what? I'm going to stick with my intuition and I'm going to give it to Meri because you don't hand kids knives and plastic bags.
That's just dumb. And realistically, there's going to be plenty of opportunities to give shit stains to other people. And I don't know, I've got to keep my my mind sharp when it comes to the shit stains. With Meri, I got to make sure I'm on top of it. I support you I guess. You can say that you don't support me. I'm just a little confused, but it's not that it's up to me so it's all good. Or keep sweet moment on this episode as it's a 2 parter.
We didn't do it on the first part and that's totally fine. You know we're two deadbeat losers making this up as we go. Oh. My gosh, thank God we've made it this far. Yes, well, yes, thank God you've made it this far. Our Keeps me moment this week is going to come from another TikTok comment because, you know, sometimes we get some fun ones on TikTok and we put up a video about Robyn messing up the wedding invites. And it was basically Ally talking about that.
It's like, you know, Oh my gosh, Robyn. Robyn totally fucked up the invites. And we know this is true because God told us. And Crash Davis left a comment on our last TikTok video that says I think Robyn staged this as she knew no friends were going to show up and she didn't. And she needed to explain why no one showed up for her but her family. Hot take. And I'm like, oh, I love this because yes, like, oh, oh, yeah, no one was going to show up.
And I made a mistake. It's like, girl, you knew no one was going to show up. God, I love that because she had said that they didn't think that a lot of people would. Oh, I like this conspiracy theory. Share more guys. Share more. Yes, if you know insights that we aren't covering, please feel free to leave them as comments nicely. Not as if we're idiots because we're just deadbeat losers. We don't know everything we don't we don't like obviously.
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