SPEAKERS
LILY (the daughter), JENNY (the mother)
JENNY
This episode contains explicit language and is not suitable for younger audiences. We also talk about weight, appearance and diet
LILY
Yeah, so got got down to the doctor. Yeah, so I kind of went in and I was like, Yeah, I want to just get on the combination.
JENNY
Combination is not the Mini
LILY
Yeah, it is.
JENNY
Is it?
LILY
I think combination and mini are the same, so.
JENNY
No, not to my mind. Maybe they've changed the terminology, but it didn't used to be. A combination pill used to be a full strength pill.
LILY
Huh? Oh, that's good. I guess [sarcastically]
JENNY
versus mini pill. Yeah, they're different.
LILY
Oh, you're right. I didn't know that. [sigh] Okay, well, whatever. I guess, like,
JENNY
You say you got the script for the combination
LILY
Go the script and bought it.
JENNY
Okay, well, you know, hopefully it's not for a long time. Can't believe like, this is my area of expertise and practice. We talk so much about stuff!
LILY
I know. But you forget shit. Like, I haven't been on the Pill in like, three, four years. I don't remember what I was on. And she was like, Oh, was it this one? I was like, yeah sounded right.
JENNY
But you haven't been on the mini pill before, have you?
LILY
I have. Yeah. But I don't remember what it's called. Oh, well, that's annoying.
JENNY
Yeah.
LILY
That'll just be really strong hormones.
JENNY
And what about the UTI?
LILY
I got to take a sample.
JENNY
a urine sample.
LILY
And yeah, I was just gonna go off and get that thing. And she gave me some antibiotics for it.
JENNY
Okay, good. Have you-
LILY
though, actually, on closer... viewing... I don't think it's UTI. I think it's thrush.
JENNY
Oh, okay
LILY
Anyway, and so I really, I'll see how it goes. Because I can't with the Pill as well with antibiotics cause sometimes... Isn't that a thing?
JENNY
Well...
LILY
maybe not anymore.
JENNY
Yeah. Like I always thought so. But I think it's not so much a problem anymore. But again, that would be a doctor, a question for the doctor, or Dr. Google. There. Yeah. Don't start the antibiotics. If if you think it's thrush, because
LILY
Will make it worse. Yeah, so I'm just I'm actually not having, because I was just feeling something down there. And I was like, oh, it's probably going to be UTI. I got the other. And then I haven't had that urgency to pee or pain. Yeah, it's just more thrushy, but I think it's more thrushy
JENNY
Have you got some Canesten? Or something?
LILY
I have some, so I'll just use that. And then if it doesn't clear up, I'll get the oral. It's just like, so annoying. And then I was I was at the doctor's or something, and then ______ was Are you going to the pharmacy? I was like, Yes. And she was like, Can you get me antibiotics because she's also got a UTI. So she like sent through the script. That's good. So they got us on antibiotics, so we're all just a bit of a mess.
JENNY
If it's any consolation, you'll probably grow out of it.
LILY
Well, actually, UTI-wise, because I don't think this is a UTI so that's a surprise. But ______ has been making an effort to be extra clean, which I appreciate Good on him. Washing his hands before sex [laughter]
JENNY
Wearing gloves. I remember doing a sex ed session at a school that shall remain nameless. Year 9s, and the, the teacher like the contact had also, I don't know that he delivered sex ed sessions, but had sat in on sex ed sessions delivered by someone like me but with a very medical background, and was kind of like interrupting my session and saying, Oh, you know, and if you know the only way that you can be really certain like that you're really reducing risk is to wear gloves like with digital... you know, genital.. digital-genital contact, like wear gloves. And I was just kind of like having to keep this straight face as he's talking to the year nines, the 14 year olds. And I just wanted to say, They're not, they're not gonna do that. Their barely wearing condoms- on their penises. Why are they going to put on gloves to touch a vulva or another penis, or a penis?
LILY
Also, like if you were with someone and they pulled out gloves, I'd be like, I'm sorry. Oh, weird. Yeah, like, I'm just waiting for like, the Dexter kill room or something. That's not normal.
JENNY
Or some fetish. You know? Latex fetish
LILY
Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe that is helping. Or maybe I'm just, you know, because I don't feel like I'm doing anything different.
JENNY
Yeah. Are the condoms a different type?
LILY
Nup
JENNY
Yeah you might just be growing out of it. Which is good.
LILY
Which is good,but saying that condoms do tend to help with the situation
JENNY
Well, yeah, I'd imagine so. Like there's less fluids involved. Like there's no foreign fluids involved.
LILY
Anyway, yeah. So all that's done,
JENNY
Right. I would just never rely on the doctors to. Yeah, but if it's the most common pill, I'm sure it'll be fine.
LILY
We'll just say, anyway, I went in, I asked her for it. And yeah. Cause I'd said that I got the IUD out. And so she was like, Oh, so you want to be taking a Pill? And I was like, Oh, well, like no, but just for a short time. And she was like, Why? And I was like, Well, the guy I'm with is maybe going to get a vasectomy, and she was like, You're only 24. And I was like, He's older. And she was like, Do you not want children? And I was just like, Just give me the Pill like-
JENNY
Wow.
LILY
Yeah. And then I saw that she had a picture of the Pope. So, yeah
JENNY
Oh God. Right. A picture of the pope in the doctor's surgery!
LILY
And then I noticed at the front, when I was leaving, there was a picture of Mary in like, the waiting room there.
JENNY
Fucking hell. That is bad. I'm surprised she even gave you the Pill. Yeah. Are you up on what's kind of in the media at the moment. There was a news article with pharmacists, and emergency contraception and how they're going to be doing some counselling, contraceptive counselling. And so will be asking women kind of even more invasive questions than they usually can do.
LILY
Why, this fucking religious bullshit... That's-
JENNY
Yep
LILY
That's
JENNY
Yep
LILY
That's
JENNY
And people are saying So you're going to be giving contraceptive counselling to men coming in buying condoms?
LILY
Yeah. It's just, it's the way that they continue to keep us oppressed. Like, it is an active effort to continue to oppress women because women having unwanted children. It just takes so much power away
JENNY
It does. Yeah. You become not only powerless, you become independent deficit. Yeah. The deficit sort of realm of dependency. Anyway.
LILY
Cool.
JENNY
Sorry, that didn't go better for you. It's not the guys. Is it going to the doctor? Like, you know? Getting the medication...
LILY
I spent $60. Like, you know... And it was so funny. Like, we were then in the kitchen.Me and _____ just like on the couch and _____ was like, Huh, that doesn't sound good. It's like, no. But yeah, shall we launch into it?
JENNY
Alright. Where are we up to? Yeah. So the New Year's resolution was to be myself
LILY
Oh, yes. Good advice. Yeah.
JENNY
And then I was just going to 'read about Ned Kelly bye', so that finished that. So next 7th of January 1981. Wednesday, it's now about quarter to 11 at night, and the day has proved quite eventful. Dad, _____ and I went for a hike through rugged bush up to Dave Maloney's mine. I think I should explain. When dad and ______ were up here last time, two years ago, they met a bloke called Dave Maloney who got friendly with them. When they met him, he took them to a mine he had a share in which is about two to two and a half hours walk from Harrietville and then back another two to two and a half hours or so. Anyway, dad and _____ were very interested to go back and see the mine, see if they could find it, Dad, especially because he'd left his gumboots there two years ago. So we three set off at 12:15pm with dad's haversack and attempted to find the mine. We followed a track for most of the way each taking 20 minutes shares of carrying the haversack. You know what a haversack is?
LILY
Is that like a big like kind of backpack, like a rucksack? Yeah, yeah, right. So just wait so so you just do they kind of know the trail you're heading off on? And grandad left his gumboots there wo years ago
JENNY
Which is weird but also Dave Maloney? Where did they meet him and the fact that he showed them his mine, I guess it's a gold mine?
LILY
God do people still do that? Is it still a thing? Gold mining?
JENNY
Obviously. Okay. One particular part of the walk was very narrow path, the plants and ferns were nudging us from either side, as if trying to push us off the edge. Shit. I'm just sitting here writing in my diary when a great big centipede or something strolled through the tent. Yuck. I'm scared now.
LILY
You've had quite a few insects and visitors.
JENNY
I'll hurry and just read my book. Also, I rang mum up. And she said _____ had rung (that was from the Viking house that we went to) And _____, my cousin about going to the pictures. So nothing more about the mine.
LILY
Did you find it?
JENNY
I want to know about the mine. And so I had my cousin calling about going to the pictures. Also there is a letter waiting at home. But mum doesn't know who it's from. I'll say good night now and catch up tomorrow. 8th of January, Thursday,
LILY
Well so that was it. Then just nothing more about the mine
JENNY
No more about the mine. So distracted by the centipede
LILY
And that was it. Because you said 'I should explain'
JENNY
I know, I'm disappointed in myself. Did we find the mine? Did we find the gumboots?
LILY
You obviously didn't realise that- Yeah. What? Yeah, interesting. I wonder whether granddad would remember. You obviously didn't realise that you're going to be making a podcast and in 30 years would need
JENNY
Well today. So this is the next day. I experienced another fairly eventful day. But as I am fast running out of paper, I shall be only able to relate my doings briefly. First thing I couldn't get up this morning. I was so tired from yesterday's big walk, and I rose rather late. We then set off at about midday for Mt Buffalo. On arrival at the Buffalo Chalet, we had lunch at the cafe. And then in brackets (two nice guys). Apres eating, we went and looked at the fab view near the carpark brackets (same two nice guys). After that, we drove to the highest peak of Buffalo to catch a glimpse of a breathtaking view. It was superb. After that, nothing about the guys, after that we drove back to Lake Catani for a quick swim. Oh, brackets (Same two nice guys!!) Dark hair, wild-bearded one came in for swim when I got out, then got out quickly. We had to go. Tres annoying,
LILY
So funny, I know what that feels like, especially when you're kind of that age. And like it feels, you know if your somewhere like traveling and keep seeing the same people or whatever like it's like, feels like that kind of tension or something a little bit. It's like, ooh, but yeah, it feels
JENNY
Like like I'm saying: One came in for a swim when I got out, then got out quickly. So I'm trying to
LILY
Yeah
JENNY
Make meaning out of that. So he got out because I was out.
LILY
Yeah, I don't think people, like no one reads into things more than teenage girls.
JENNY
No, no one no one.
LILY
No one has that kind of like constant like, story narrative in their minds, like maybe not all teenage girls, but I definitely did. Everything was connected and related and to me, you know
JENNY
And about you, everything, about you. [Laughter] That's funny. Yeah. I don't think anyone I don't think there'd be any profession that would do that better than a teenage girl
LILY
Oh, no, no, it will be just kind of that aware, like everything was just so yeah, filled with that kind of energy, you know? Which is interesting because you definitely grow out of it. Like I don't, I feel like I don't notice stuff. And like at all I'm just not looking or aware or, I don't know, maybe that's that observer thing that you kind of?
JENNY
Well, I think until a certain time in your life, you are just so interior. There's nothing going on. So you just have to, you're looking outwards. And you're kind of like I'm here. I want my life to begin, where are the, where are the other major players? And you're just sort of waiting and waiting. And then your life begins. And people come into your life. So you just don't need to be doing that. And yeah, because it does, it wears off.
LILY
That's really good point. Actually, you're right. It's like, I think, particularly if you're a certain kind of person who's like, quite aware of that. I think, I think almost, with particularly maybe with girls as well, but it's like, either those major players into your life unasked or at a really young age or too young. You know what I mean? Like I think about girls in school, the differences between say, me and them, it's like, there are some girls who were interacting with boys way, way, way, way, way earlier. And it's just, I do wonder if that's like something that like happens to them, You know what I mean? Once that happens I think then there's just men and boys, whatever in their lives, and they're dealing with it. Or it's like, you're on the other end of the spectrum where it does feel like you're waiting for it and waiting for and waiting for.
JENNY
Yeah, and that was me. I was- That was me. It's funny. And I'm kind of glad, like, at that time, I wanted that boy attention. But I'm glad that I didn't have it until later. I was more developed, ready for it, more developed as a person.
LILY
I agree. 100%. Like, I think the older you are, in any situation, the better you can handle it, even if it gets handled in the same way, even if the results are the same, even if you choose the same thing.
JENNY
It doesn't mean you're perfect, it doesn't mean that you can necessarily handle it perfectly. But you're just more equipped. I mean, yeah, just by staying alive. Another five minutes, you're more equipped.
LILY
100% I remember talking with ______ about the whole like _____ it was you know, getting pushy and stuff a little bit, you know, persistent. But getting quite persistent. And she kind of made the comment. She was like, Yeah, you never really kind of went through that in school. And I was like, No, I didn't And then I was quite, I think, quite lucky that I had that I'd gotten to the age of 24 before really kind of getting a lot of continual, unwanted, you know, attention and for people to, for me to have to do a really hard line in the sand. It was really hard to know. Yeah. And also, well, God, I'm struggling to deal with this. I'm struggling to handle it, at this age. I can't imagine trying to do that at 15 or 16. Yeah, but also there was that that age difference there as well, which very much I think, can be a factor. And that might not necessarily be with you because you're a strong, formed person, but you are still 24. And if you're dealing with it, there can be a difference. 100%. And but you know, people do deal with that in high school, but it will be a matter of three years or two years age difference, like oh, well, almost the same.
JENNY
Probably unlikely to be three years. Like if you think about it, were there many of your peer group, girls or indeed boys, with partners of three years older?
LILY
No, two sometimes but I'm just saying I feel like two years in high school is probably worth about five or six out of school. So even then dealing with that you often are dealing with that kind of age gap, which, it's just interesting.
JENNY
So, tres annoying on realising the time was nearly 5:30pm. We burned back to Harrietville for dinner at the Snowline. I had crumbed whiting. It was yucky. At the pub, There were a few blokes who'd been there the night before. I mean, that's funny. I never use the word blokes. Never.
LILY
Obviously, there are certain kind of guy though that you use that word for, you know?
JENNY
Yeah, maybe. Who'd been there the night before, when we went down for a drink. Anyway, at about 7:20pm we drove to Freeburgh Cinema to see You Can't Stop the Music, with the Village People a music rock group band. It was a quaint little cinema and it seems the whole of the surrounding population was there. Anyway, I'll go to sleep now. It's been a good day.
LILY
Was that a movie that you went to?
JENNY
Yeah, yeah. With the Village People in it. You Can't Stop the Music.
LILY
Okay.
JENNY
You know, the Village People. Yeah, YMCA So it was a film. And they were in it and I can't remember any plot.
LILY
Sure. I remember. Because they were gay, right?
JENNY
Yeah, but we didn't know at the time.
LILY
I know. I remember watching like the YMCA music video or something with like you and like the family and we were just watching it and you guys saying like, Yeah, we just didn't know and I'm looking at them and what they're wearing it and how they're acting
JENNY
You were like 8
LILY
I'm like How did you not know? I know and I'm a child
JENNY
The 70s were different-
LILY
It was a different time I mean everyone was in short shorts
JENNY
I mean we didn't even know Elton John was gay.
LILY
Yeah, that's wild to me. Yeah.
JENNY
Because he married a woman Renata, and, you know, so he didn't come out until probably the 90s I don't know. I can't remember. But yeah, we didn't know he was gay. I don't think
LILY
It's just so interesting how like, that's been such like a societal mental shift as like, Yeah. Even kind of when there's a lot of what seems is like obvious evidence to that, just kind of because that wasn't seen as much of an option. People just didn't see it, it's like there's blinkers. You know what I mean? Like, of course, you're just a straight man.
JENNY
You're just a music group dressing up in these different fun costumes with big mustaches!
LILY
Yeah.
JENNY
Yeah. It's been a good day. And I've really enjoyed these holidays, but I'm looking forward to going home Sunday.
LILY
Yeah, obviously getting quite homesick because I feel like you've mentioned a few times. So it's been
JENNY
a while since we've Yeah, yeah. 9th of January Friday. Well, at a rough glance, I think I can reasonably estimate that I will need more paper. So I now cross to... So we're going to go to these loose sheets. But also I've got some pages here. A list of things to be done: Merrett Hassett for netball skirt, Navy. Library for info GEOG project. Enquire transferring money Hotham. So that's that building society. Post office: mail letters to ______ in Hong Kong and New Zealand. New Zealand, that would have been, ah the family. We haven't talked about dad's fake marriage in New Zealand.
LILY
Oh, like not on here. And I'm still hazy as to the details.
JENNY
Maybe we'll talk about that. Do a special episode on dad's shenanigans. Yeah, chemist for face soap. Clinique, and I can remember the container that Clinique came in. And it was this long, elongated, glamorous plastic box. You'd slide in and out.
LILY
What do you mean? It's a face soap? Is that like a face wash?
JENNY
It was a soap that you used on your face.
LILY
God skincare has come so far
JENNY
Skicare has come so far. I mean, that was you know, Clinique, that would have been, but it was a bar of soap.
LILY
Jesus that makes me so unhappy. That's wild to me.
JENNY
So back to my list and I've got some hair, and pants overalls, Ishka shirt (white $18), calculations of money, diet: Okay, this time it will work. All you need to do is exercise. It's an anti-appetite drug. Cut down on food, eat right foods. That's all you need to do. You can easily moderate amounts of fruits and vegetables, meat. Lean. Eat chicken, lean steak, etc. Dairy products, cheese, yoghurt, lots of milk, no bread, substitute with dry biscuits. Okay, so eat a ton of dry biscuits! No lollies, ice cream, pastries, confectionery. And then I've got exercising. I've got work for dad. Okay, so you asked what I was doing, what work I was doing. So, three hours keyboard work. I'm getting paid $5 an hour; $15 keyboard work. It's all keyboard work. Money for school books: $56.90. Cheque for $150 received. Jogging. Four sessions logged: two laps, four laps. Two laps and then I've got (footballers!!) Three laps, 20 minutes, so about 20 minutes of running, jogging.
LILY
That's not bad. They say that you're supposed to like I think 20 or 30 minutes of exercise a day. So people,, I guess people wouldn't really exercise in the same way everyone's very gym conscious these days.
JENNY
So there were gyms and there was aerobics and the gym, the machines at the gym, like the exercise machines and aerobics classes. I was thinking about this yesterday as well, like people jogged but they didn't really jog on the street, like dad would go up to the oval and do laps. He wouldn't run on the streets, there weren't the street joggers
LILY
Yeah, there's so many street joggers now. It's so annoying, they're like the bikes of the footpath. So frustrating.
JENNY
Yeah. Yeah. So continuing on those loose leaf sheets, 9th of January. So I finished off by saying I will change to this pad as an emergency 'supplicant'. ______ has very kindly lent me this writing block to use until I get my new journal. Today was quite enjoyable and I will now proceed to relate the events which took place. I woke to the sound of rain jumping on the canvas roof of my tent and dozed fitfully until Dad told me that it was 10:30am and that I had had 11 hours sleep. I dragged myself out of bed to be greeted with a plate of piping hot sausages and eggs and toast. Yummy. I then returned to my tent to read my Agatha book 'Appointment with Death', but was rudely interrupted by my stomach which insisted on feeling pooey. I made several trips to the lavatory / dunny / can / toilet / loo / WC / john returning each time with a temporary feeling of relief but as soon as I lay down on my lilo, I would be seized by a fit of pain and have to make my exit yet again.
LILY
That was maybe just a bit of food poisoning or something?
JENNY
No idea, and I've written dad, _____ and I, and then crossed it out, mistake we cannot allow the chron- and then pen runs out start again. We cannot allow the chronological setting out of events to be disrupted. We all took a trip into Bright at about 12:30pm to get some worms.
LILY
What?
JENNY
Yeah, I've made the letters like worms. [shows illustration]
LILY
Cute.
JENNY
For Dad to fish with. At the same time we bought some cordial (lime and lemon, not together, separate bottles). After a quick buzz into Bright we flew back to Harrietville and then dad and I went for a swim at a hole in the east arm of the Oven's River. This hole dad, ____ and I had spotted when we were beginning our hike the other day. It was much deeper than the part of the river running through our campsite. After scaring off some unsuspecting yabby fisher-people, we plunged into the cold dark depths of the hole. I took great pains not to touch the bottom where there were leaves. It feels like seaweed PHOBIA! PHOBIA! Interesting that we would just go swimming in a part of the river without knowing if it was safe or not.
LILY
Yeah.
JENNY
To me if that was mum, we were with mum, a very different situation.
LILY
You would have like paddled around the edges or not even gone in.
JENNY
The water was so fresh and cool as if no one had ever even looked at it before. Freshwater trout were gaily circling in and out of the shadows and we found one highly confused freshwater crayfish who was eyeing us suspiciously with his beads on sticks. We could swim for only a short while because we had to be at the Myrtleford Pub at 6:30pm. I love how the whole all the days seem to be arranged around having a drink
LILY
At the pub. Yeah. Yeah,
JENNY
We had arranged to have dinner with ______. We hadn't met them but dad and ____ had so, I don't I don't even remember
LILY
Were they family friends?
JENNY
Must be friends of hers maybe. Anyway after our swim we burned to Myrtleford where we had our breakfast last Saturday, and had a counter tea. It was nice. Apart from my regular trotting to the toilet to disperse dot dot dot dot dot. I wonder what I ate the night before? It's probably most likely to be something rom the night before. While we were eating dinner.
LILY
You did say, was that when you had your crumbed whiting that you did no liket?
JENNY
Yes, that was yes, it was definitely the crumbed whiting which I said was yucky.
LILY
Yeah God. I feel like this whole trip the food has been a bit like sub-par, you haven't been too impressed with much of the food.
JENNY
Yeah, that's right. While we were eating dinner, this bearded man kept coming in and out carrying various parts with which he assembled a disc jockey's booth. The side of the booth red Pete's Mobile Disco. And although we were incredibly anxious to watch Pete lead the people of Myrtleford to a night of fun and dance, we had to go back to ________'s place and watch Cop Shop on the television. Cop Shop was a police, an Australian police show.
LILY
Okay. So DJ. Was there much of a thing back then or just starting to come around?
JENNY
I know this is after the 70s I mean, the 70s was DJ city. Right? Siscos?
LILY
Yeah, I guess. Wow.
JENNY
So we obviously you know, the occasional pub would have-
LILY
but they kind of seen it as a bit daggy. Like
JENNY
yes. Yeah, not the cool ones of today. No, completely different. They were seen as a bit daggy because older generation. Yeah, even Yeah when we went to nightclubs, so Chasers and sort of Inflation and those nightclubs, they were not live music. So they will recorded music. There was no DJ in a booth, or if there was they didn't get any attention. I can't remember.
LILY
They were just playing it through the speakers out of sight. Really?
JENNY
Yeah. And whether there was even a live person doing that, or it was all recorded, I have no idea.
LILY
Sometimes I wonder if there's even you know, even if the DJ is doing much, I think at some clubs, they're not. There's just a playlist they've got going on on their computer-
JENNY
pretending? They just stand there with their headphones.
LILY
Going, yeah. Yeah. [in cool voice]
JENNY
So we didn't even have any of that there wasn't there wasn't that kind of spectacle.
LILY
I wonder when that shift happened, when that change happened. That DJ started to just like, become a thing
JENNY
In my imagination, and I'm just, I'm just making this up. I reckon it's come from overseas from Greek islands and places like that, where they had the big kind of beach parties and things like that. I don't know why I think that but that's what I think
LILY
Interesting. Fair [laughter] that's your romantic vision of it. I know, like EDM and stuff, like for like that, like Germany and around electronic dance music. EDM is like a big genre of like clubbing.
JENNY
All right, yeah.
LILY
It's just interesting. Because they're very much, you know, seen as not just kind of technicians of music. But as musicians, like, if you're the good ones, that they create their own music, and they create their own sounds and stuff-
JENNY
Like that to me is just so funny. And that's similar to what we were talking about before about those created industries. Added products. It's like everything has now been, is now a thing.
LILY
Yeah. And it's interesting, because it's like, what happens when it no longer can expand when every industry is created, every kind of market is tapped into? Because that's like,
JENNY
There'll be new stuff. There'll be I don't know, they'll just make new stuff.
LILY
Sure. But like, you look at like, I don't know, technology, that's a huge industry. It's just like being developed and creative. But that came, it's all linked, you know what I mean? So the way I see it is certain industries, are 500 years into being developed as an industry now we've got certain industries that are like, newer, and only maybe, 100 years into being developed. And so they're not kind of at the end of their innovation and development. Yeah, I do think they'll come to a point where it's like, saturation.Or just like, there's the stuff that people are tapping into as new markets, it's just gonna get smaller and smaller and smaller. You know what I mean? So like, back in the day, it was like, oh, a whole new market of X trade. You know what I mean? And now hey, we've got this one really specific thing to cater to these people. And their specific thing? I don't know. Yeah, it's interesting, because like, the one of the main principles of capitalism is continued, you know, neoliberal capitalism is like continued expansion.
JENNY
Well, I guess, yeah, markets originally evolved out of need, but then we're now creating need made Yeah, then need became created for a whole raft of new products. So there's probably never a finishing point for creating need in people's minds.
LILY
No, but it'll it'll become more and more like contrived as it gets further and further away from actual basic survival. You know, we're so far from that now. And
JENNY
Yeah we're so far from that now
LILY
And like PR and marketing, that's why that is now a huge industry as well, because they create the need and the cultural need for these things. But we're gonna get more and more into that I reckon...
JENNY
[sighs]
LILY
[sighs] Ugh. Dark and gloomy weather-wise here, it just makes me like, you know, just go into a little depressing hole. Anyway.
JENNY
So watching Cop Shop on the television, after a couple of hours, we left. Yay, we drove back here. And that brings me up to date to where I am right now. That is sitting here in the white army tent, wasting my time writing on this paper to no one but myself. No, I'm only kidding. It isn't a waste of time. And how do I know that 1000s upon 1000s of people aren't going to read this literary nonsense one day. I think I'd better stop now. I'm going silly, DELIRIUM, DELIRIUM. And then the next page: No, you haven't got rid of me yet. What you may ask am I doing starting a new page? My neck is aching from bending studiously and I'm tired. Well, I don't know. Night. J >> 10th of January. Saturday. I am as always in my trusty sleeping bag inside the white tent. So I'm, poor me I'm still away. And it is late at night
LILY
Cause yeah, because you said you wanted to be home, by the weekend.
JENNY
Yeah, we're obviously not yet. Today was our last whole day in Harrietville and tonight is our last night. Dad, _____, _____ and I went to Bright this morning and then to some little place to see a gun/firearms display. It was BORING capital letters.
LILY
So where would ____ have been?
JENNY
a good question.
LILY
She just was left at the campsite by herself [laughter]
JENNY
Maybe she's gone home. Oh, here we go. Yeah, we- It was BORING. After that. We went back to Bright to see an art gallery which did not contain paintings but other things such as coins, notes, opals, fluorescent things, etc. This too was BORING. After this, we went to the Bright newsagent. There is also a dumb one. Haha. (Parker pen refill.) After completing our various businesses, we returned to our campsite where ____ and ____ had been, and then I've got I think the pen has really, truly run out. Been. Yes, it has I will have to change to my refill. I have now changed. It seems a bit rougher than the other one. But nevertheless, it works. Now where was I? Yes. No, they did not come to Bright with us. They stayed in Harrietville.
LILY
So who's _______
JENNY
____'s daughter
LILY
And how old-
JENNY
Same age as _____. So 11 Yeah, if I'm 17, then they're 11 or 12? Yeah
LILY
And they were just that left.
JENNY
Not even in a house with a door. No, just at a campsite beside the river.
LILY
Yeah, there was nothing but mere fabric between them and the world. That's so crazy. It's no wonder this is just like the rise of serial killers and people being murdered and abducted in like the 70s and 80s. Because people would do dumb shit. Sorry, that was a huge value call. But like, you know?
JENNY
Yeah I don't know. Like all I will say is that I would not have done that. I would never have left you at 12 in a campsite.
LILY
We were 16 and you would like going out or going away for night and granny's coming to babysit and
JENNY
like Yeah, yeah. Shortly after our return, we all went up to the Hotel Snowline for dinner. Isn't this where I had the bad fish? But I've got yummy. But alas and alack there was no band, disappointment strikes, but we still enjoyed a meal. And all the hotels we have been eating or drinking at, I have never been refused service. So that only goes to show that I must look 18
LILY
So so you're drinking?
JENNY
No, I'm not drinking. I'm sure I'm going up and getting a soft drink or-
LILY
But then why would they refuse? Yeah, must have been getting?
JENNY
Yeah well, I think if you're in a pub, a kid can't go up to the bar to order.
LILY
No, but the fact that you're saying you haven't been refused service, meaning that you're looking at, meaning that you're going up and doing something that you're not supposed to do.
JENNY
Yeah, but it wouldn't have been, it might have been getting beers for dad, but I don't remember doing that. I don't remember.
LILY
So why would they refuse you service if you're getting a soft drink? So why
JENNY
Cause I don't think kids underage, kids are not meant to be served at the bar.
LILY
Oh, anything? Anything?
JENNY
Yeah
LILY
Really?
JENNY
Yeah. I'm pretty sure. _____ is sleeping in this tent with me because a little while ago, 10 to 15 minutes, she woke up and couldn't find her way out of the little blue two-man tent. After last night's torrential downpour, they changed their beds around so that instead of having their feet at the door, they had turned 45 degrees anti clockwise. And I've got a diagram. ____ has often woken up not knowing where she was or how to get out and did so tonight. Dad helped her out and she is now in with me sleeping peacefully touch wood. In the past few weeks _____ and I seem to have fought a lot. It is over silly little things and we soon make up. It's disturbing but I don't think it's too serious?
LILY
That's nice. That you like care? That you're not just like: Oh, he's being annoying, but that you're worried about the relationship?
JENNY
Yeah. Yeah. Things to do when I get home: bleach legs, so that's another thing. Oh, yeah, I wasn't yet shaving my legs. I was bleaching
LILY
Bleaching. Yeah. I remember you suggesting when I was like much younger, like 12 or something, because I didn't like hair on my legs and you being Like well, you can bleach them. Then we did NAIR for a while, then started waxing.
JENNY
Yeah, bleaching legs.
LILY
Some peoplebleach their arms.
JENNY
Do they?
LILY
I don't imagine your hair would have been really dark though. No, it
JENNY
wasn't. No it wasn't. It was brown, light brown. Number one: bleach legs; number two: pluck eyebrows. Mm. Number Three: rinse hair. I don't know what that means.
LILY
Are you doing like a hair color?
JENNY
Maybe. Number four: buy new Journal; Number five: get organised to go ______, oh, if I'm allowed to that is, mum still obviously.
LILY
It's so funny like, like, the amount of lists you make, I just make so many lists as well. Runs in the family.
JENNY
I think I'll sign off now and try to do some of the crossword. My stomach feels queasy. Love J.
LILY
Queasy from that same place that you went, maybe. There you go. Um, how do you think you're going to we leave it there maybe or do you want to keep going? I just got a thing in 15 minutes
JENNY
Oh you got a thing in 15 minutes. We can pick up because I'm back home in the next one.
LILY
Okay, perfect.
JENNY
Jolly good.
LILY
Jolly good indeed
JENNY
What are you doing tonight?
LILY
Wash my hair. Hang out. Just have some eggs. Maybe a bit of an omelet or something for dinner?
JENNY
Is your eye Okay, your left eye?
LILY
Yeah. What?
JENNY
Lean forward forwards looks red or something?
LILY
Like the eye itself?
JENNY
No, either around your eye.
LILY
I was rubbing it before.
JENNY
Right?
LILY
Maybe it's that? Yes, anyway, so that? Yeah.[Laughter] I miss _____ quite a bit. SWhich is like, Yeah. Yeah,
JENNY
so but you're having a night apart tonight.
LILY
[Laughter] We're hanging out tomorrow night! I'm like: It's so far away! [Laughter]
JENNY
Don't forget you're an independent, autonomous woman.
LILY
I am very much that
JENNY
modern woman. living her life.
LILY
Exactly. Yes. Living her lonesome life.
JENNY
[laughter] You're not lonesome!
LILY
I know, I'm joking. It's just it is interesting to kind of like, you know, with ______ I missed him a lot but we also couldn't see each other. So it's kind of interesting to have that like, missing feeling. And not like give into it. Like to make sure that you have the space, it's just hard
JENNY
Has he been messaging today.
LILY
Yeah. We message always. He's got a housemate dinner tonight.
JENNY
How's it going with ______?
LILY
Good, I think, Oh, yeah. She she had like a guy over Saturday and _____ said Sunday morning. He's like, Yeah, yeah, there's a guy
JENNY
How was he with that?
LILY
Fine. But then the same guy, I think came over again, there was a guy there Sunday night, like, we were all hanging out. And then she got home. And he arrived and like, ____ was like, That's the guy and I was like, Okay, what's going on? She's living a single life. Like, she just broke up with her boyfriend of four years. So yeah, you know? Do what you need, I guess.
JENNY
Yeah. Has she settled down? I guess she hasn't partied with you again since that weekend.
LILY
What? Since last weekend,
JENNY
When she was touching everyone.
LILY
Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. And we were kind of reflecting also, well, like, no one explicitly said that _____ and ______ are a couple, like they are not super couply. So in some ways you would maybe not even know... Who's with who? You know, you wouldn't get that?
JENNY
That's funny.
LILY
It is funny.
JENNY
So do you think you'll crack tonight and see him?
LILY
No, no, no, I think if it wasn't busy, maybe. But yeah, he's got shit to do. And we are hanging out tomorrow and hanging out Thursday.
JENNY
Tomorrow night.
LILY
Do nachos night. And... whatever.
JENNY
You started saying 'whatever', a few weeks ago.
LILY
It really encapsulates my mindset of like. 'Yeah, whatever. This is happening, I guess.' Yeah, yeah. All good.
JENNY
Okay, well, thanks for the podcast. We haven't been doing our introduction or-
LILY
Oh, whoops.
JENNY
Sign off. Yeah, we haven't done any of that. Yeah. Don't sue us! I'm Jenny.
LILY
I completely forgot about that. What's our sign off again. Don't sue us. And hi I'm Lily. Please don't sue us. Yeah, we'll need to figure out that, I guess. Really soon
JENNY
Dad wants to listen, I was telling dad about it.
LILY
Does he?
JENNY
Yeah, yeah. He's like, Is it up yet? Can I listen? I'm like: No, no, not yet.
LILY
How do you feel about him listening?
JENNY
Oh, I don't care. I don't mind. The person that I worry about is ________
LILY
interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that I feel _____ be quite anxious and stressed.
JENNY
_____'s also very, doesn't have a Facebook page, never has. Is very, very careful about what puts up.
LILY
Yeah. Which is like,
JENNY
I might need to become a member of a three-child family.
LILY
We just edit _____ out just erase.
JENNY
BUt I mean, there's really good- there's really good stuff coming out with him.
LILY
Yeah. Look, okay. I think, I think just the best way. And I think the, you know, what we will do is everyone can listen, if they want to prior to putting anything up. I think that's important for people to feel like they've got insight into what's happening and that you take on board and even if they've got suggestions of, you know, and maybe it's a thing that, you know, if we are releasing episodes weekly, yeah, we're sending it to everyone who's mentioned it and saying, Hey, are you happy for us to put this up? And if they're saying, Hey, I don't want that we edit it out. We beep it out. We do something about it. You know, maybe that's just the ongoing thing that we do.
JENNY
Yeah, that'swhat I said to dad and he said, Oh, that'd be time consuming. It's like he just wants- I don't think he cares. I said, you're fine with having all your less attractive qualities up? On a podcast, and he just laughs
LILY
Well, I guess in some ways, like, Who's he? Who does he know? That was gonna listen, that would impact his life. But like _____ and she probably wouldn't listen, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's bit different when you're older, like everyone you know is dead you know-
JENNY
Anyway, so. Yeah. Interesting. So have a listen to the music and until next time.
LILY
Yeah, indeed. Okay. Well, we'll speak to you tomorrow, Mama. Yeah. Okay.
JENNY
Love you. Bye, bye.
LILY
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JENNY
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LILY
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