SPEAKERS
NARRATOR, LILY (the daughter), JENNY (the mother)
JENNY 00:00
This episode contains explicit language and is not suitable for younger audiences
LILY 00:16
was it the same last week? Or is it okay last week? Well, I haven't actually edited last week's yet. Cool. Yeah. Which I should have. So, you know, it's life. We're in the pandemic.
JENNY 00:29
It is the life. I was just -- speaking of pando -- I was just going through the public exposure sites I can't see anything-
LILY 00:38
In your daily... every three hours,
JENNY 00:46
I know, I check. Okay, this is what I check. I check the exposure sites. I check the falcons. And I check Twitter, of course. Yeah. And then they're the first things and then I check my work emails.
LILY 01:04
run my business.
JENNY 01:06
I run my business. But I've there's this new one that's come up __________. And I'm thinking to myself, that sounds like a gym. So then I Google it. They do have chiropractic and podiatry services and massage, but I reckon there's going to be illicit gyms. You know, this is the new underground, gymnasiums opening.
LILY 01:30
Well, I think, I think particularly down south like they're very much into their gyms.
JENNY 01:35
Yeah, they don't care.
LILY 01:36
Like people just been like, opening, you know, you know, people want to make the money, people will happily spend money to live their life as they want. And I think so many people have gone to their beach houses and stuff. Cause I was just I had a moment last week when I was like, in my full kind of deranged madness of like, What can I do to not be in lockdown for another two, three months? I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, we could just go and rent an Airbnb for two months in the country and move to the country. It's like, ethically not the right thing to do. But it's very unlikely one you're going to get stopped to, you know what I mean? Like, what are they going to do? You can move somewhere for two months, three months?
JENNY 02:15
No, but the locals would be coming at you with pitchforks. I mean, metaphorically, like I don't think, like you go, you go to country towns or whatever. They know who belongs, they know who doesn't? And you would just be looked at and hated, I reckon, and you'd feel uncomfortable?
LILY 02:33
I don't think so. Because I think there would have been a huge influx of people moving to those towns during COVID -- throughout. So many people have moved to the country, moved out of suburbs, there'd be a lot of new faces.
JENNY 02:46
Yeah, I don't know. I still... Yeah. Anyway,
LILY 02:48
So if any people ask and you just say, Hey, we've moved because of lockdown. And we're here.
JENNY 02:53
Yeah, I Well, you know, maybe, maybe you do that, you test that?
LILY 02:57
I'm not saying I'm going to do it. I'm saying Do you remember what I prefaced this with in my full derangement? I'm just saying yeah, I just kind of had this moment of like, we've been so constricted in our movement for so long that it seems kind of like it just felt like something like broke in my brain and also my like, yeah,
JENNY 03:16
Yeah
LILY 03:16
you can still- we can do that. And it's like, it just was like a moment of like, I don't know if it was like the last wall of like, breaking the rules of something, but it was just like, oh my god, my brain couldn't imagine that (Sorry I'm just gonna shut my door).
JENNY 03:34
Yeah I heard the stompy. Stompy ______
LILY 03:37
No, I think there might have been stompy ________
JENNY 03:41
______'s too little to make such a noise. But we have talked about that.
LILY 03:46
We have. No, she's walking with intent, which is what I tell Seth every time he says I'm a stompy person
JENNY 03:53
Is he a sidler?
LILY 03:55
Yeah, he's a nymph-footed fairy [laughter] just floating around
JENNY 04:02
A sylvan wood nymph [laughter] with a floaty dress made of gossamer
LILY 04:10
With his flowing hair
JENNY 04:12
And little little booties knitted from cobwebs. I wanted to say yeah, back on that. I mean, we have been doing such the right thing. I mean, yeah. And it's almost like that. caged animals where the doors open, but you don't know that you can actually go outside
LILY 04:34
It's starting to feel like that. And like I feel like every time we come out of lockdown, there's also that feeling as well of like, having to get your brains back into that. Oh, okay. I guess I'm planning stuff and making social engagements. I'm booking things, I'm in charge of my own time in a very different way. So it's kind of, it's interesting. Also, side note, I may have someone coming to pick up cushion covers in like an hour. I just have to step out.
JENNY 05:04
We can pause
LILY 05:04
Yeah, this is my little side hustle for my $100 cash we'll have to bleep that out
JENNY 05:13
You don't want the tax department for your black dollars. Anyway, just on your full arrangement of last week or a week before. So what's shifted there? Was it premenstrual, we need to talk periods?
LILY 05:27
Yeah let's link everything back to periods and hormones because God forbid, we're individuals that have points of views beyond that,
JENNY 05:34
but we can't let down our listeners who are here the periods
LILY 05:38
here for the thrush update -- thrushdate as I think you said the other day, right. Yeah, no, I think it's just, it's also just exhausting to be angry all the time [about lockdowns]. It's exhausting to be in that in that space of trying to flee and get out. And so it does come in waves, and then it kind of recedes. And then the tension builds up again, and I feel like, I need to go, I need to get out of here. I'm gonna make my plans. And then, you know, and it might kind of never happen. And I think I was saying to you the other day that even though it's really shitty, and last week was kind of mourning the rest of the year. And kind of... Are you just zoning out right now?
JENNY 06:21
No, I'm listening. I was zoning out a bit, but I was listening very closely. Resting my eyes out my window. It's a nice view
LILY 06:30
Resting your eyes. That's an old one.
JENNY 06:33
Did you think I was having a stroke?
LILY 06:35
I thought you froze
JENNY 06:38
That's so funny. So you were saying...
LILY 06:43
in the last last week was definitely kind of just mourning.
JENNY 06:46
was that when we had our thing?
LILY 06:48
Yeah, I think that was, what it was last Tuesday?
JENNY 06:51
It was the day before we recorded.
LILY 06:53
Yeah, it was like forever ago. Yeah, just kind of mourning the end of the year, and just kind of saying goodbye to, you know, that.
JENNY 07:03
But is it? Is it a case? I mean, in the moment you were but you've got plans between now and the rest of- the end of the year? And I would say they're not just plans to be keeping occupied. They're quite robust plan plans.
LILY 07:17
Like what? Oh, but that's when I say goodbye to the rest of the year, I mean, like socially coming out of lockdown. Like yeah sure, that's the idea I have, that I'm going to try use this time for- to try make this kind of okay, by working on that. But yeah, so I think you just need time to kind of like accept that. But now that it's like, Okay, I've written off until kind of November of my mind is like, that day will come when we reach double dose 70%. Like fully vaccinated. That 70% like it will happen at some point, and then things will change. So I'm feeling kind of I guess, resigned. But this feels like the light at the end of the tunnel, which a few weeks ago was hard.
JENNY 08:02
And it's not the week for it, dear listener, because it's Lily's birthday on Sunday. Of course with this younger generation, it's not just a one-day affair, like my generation, you will just have the birthday, those 24 hours but no, no, no, these people do a week.
LILY 08:21
Or at least 72 hours. I think it's like
JENNY 08:23
What that? three days?
LILY 08:25
Yeah, yeah, at least three days, so and I also have my period, which is like an absolute [inaudible] I feel like I'm haemorrhaging from my vagine. So everything's happening...
JENNY 08:36
So hopefully it's not a bloodfest on your actual birthday?
LILY 08:39
No, I'm glad I got it. So it should be done by then.
JENNY 08:43
Hopefully/ This is the new Pfizer menstruation, which they go for 38 days for so. Or three months? I'm sure I saw but I might- that might be fake news.
LILY 08:56
Oh my God, just who knows?
JENNY 08:58
Yeah. And some people just haven't had a period for three months.
LILY 09:02
Imagine, imagine if it just... Anyway. And then Seth was also messaging me about plans
JENNY 09:11
for the weekend.
LILY 09:14
So like he's given me like a little bit of a run run sheet because he was like, you have to be at my house Thursday night. And I was like, Huh? and he was like And Sunday night and I was like Okay, so he's got his own stuff going on. Anyway, but yes, yes. Interesting. exciting weekend. I'm kind of going a little bit mad not being in charge.
JENNY 09:33
Oh, well, this is good. Good for you just to know that there are plenty of people running around with their clipboards and their run sheets. So he said what Thursday night you have to be at his place and Sunday night you have to be at his place.
LILY 09:45
So I think he's got something planned for my birthday like night. Yeah, it's like just us which is nice. Yeah, I did have a little bit of like a stress of like, Oh my God. Like what you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
JENNY 09:58
A proposal
LILY 10:02
No. Anyway, shall we?
JENNY 10:05
Yes.
LILY 10:06
Shall we get to it? So welcome to My Mum's Bad Diaries, the podcast where we read my mother's bad diaries. It's all in the name. I'm Lily I 'm receiving the information
JENNY 10:26
and I'm Jenny and I'm the reader. These are my diaries that are bad. Starting, we started in 1980. We're up to September 1981.
LILY 10:39
So like we've gone pretty okay, considering how much like gab there is
JENNY 10:45
gab. Yeah. Gab fest. Gab-cast. Yeah, there is a lot of gab, but we are going okay. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see sort of how, how quickly we do get through it
LILY 10:58
I must admit, I wonder if, if when we get to the content that I am, say, more invested in knowing about whether that might shift and that might be like, I want to hear. You know what, I mean,
JENNY 11:10
you might not interrupt me as much not that you do, but there might not be so many
LILY 11:23
It's all good, Mum says resentfully. [Laughter]
JENNY 11:29
All right. So Sunday 13th September 1981. 2pm adn ________ has just left to go home.
LILY 11:41
To go to Hong Kong?
JENNY 11:42
No. I don't think so. She stayed- because remember she's staying with the friend in my year level's family. She stayed the night last night. We went babysitting for Vicki and Mike, they got home at 3am We were so buggered. I've got a heavy cold, and I have a really sore throat. Yesterday, we watched the replay of last Sunday's Countdown. Adam said
LILY 12:07
I was gonna say, there's only one reason that you're going to be like watching
JENNY 12:11
Yeah, Adam said as he sat on a couch with plaits, but no makeup. So he had these little plaits like two or two or three little plaits around his head. Hello, everyone out there at Countdown. This is Adam of dot dot, dot, dot dot dot Adam and the Ants and dot dot dot, dot, dot, dot. We've just been recording our new dot dot, dot, dot dot album,
LILY 12:36
is this whole thing just going to be transcripted?
JENNY 12:40
It's not much more to go. It's just a little sound bite that he would have recorded for the show.
LILY 12:46
I know. I was making a joke.
JENNY 12:48
Oh sorry. Don't joke! This is very serious.
LILY 12:55
[Laughter] Even 40 years on you're still [defensive]
JENNY 12:58
Oh, yeah. So album, sorry about the mix up over the concert. So I remember he couldn't come, it was delayed a month. Because he had to go to rehab. Remember that was our joke. And I'm sure it's because he looked up how far the flight was and was like, No, I have to do some desensitisation work of my fear of flying. I can't be in a plane for 18 hours. Sorry about the mix up over the concert, but dot dot, dot, dot, dot dot we will definitely be there in September. So. We're now in September. We're getting close to the concert
LILY 13:34
Oh my God.
JENNY 13:35
Looking forward to seeing you there dot dot dot.
LILY 13:37
Then you're like, Oh my god. He's talking to me specifically. He said YOU
JENNY 13:43
And as he said, as he said these last words, he narrowed his eyes and looked so sexy. Hmm. Tonight he's on 60 Minutes. And I bet he's also on Countdown. Anyway, I'd better go and do work. Jen. Adam x. So yeah, he was speaking directly to camera, which meant directly to me. Okay, now it's about 2pm And I saw Countdown and 60 Minutes. I'll tell you, tonight's a night I'll never forget. On Countdown they sang their new single Prince Charming. The film video -- 'film video' again! That's so weird. The film video is unreal. Adam' - they're in a house in the Cinderella image. His two ugly stepsisters? men dressed up, are making him work. He's all dirty. No plaits, no makeup. Just beautiful.
LILY 14:42
So Adam's Cinderella?
JENNY 14:44
Yeah, yeah.
LILY 14:45
Oh my god and I love how this is like- everyone else is like no, I want Prince Charming. You're like, No I want Adam Ant as Cinderella. [Laughter]
JENNY 14:55
Then his fairy godmother bounces in and turns him into Prince Charming.
LILY 15:00
Oh there you go
JENNY 15:01
Then he's at the ball and he dresses up as Clint Eastwood, Alice Cooper, Rudolph Valentino, Humphrey Bogart. The song itself was different to anything of off Kings, which was the first album Kings of the Wild Frontier, I would just call it 'Kings'. I didn't even listen to it properly, just watched. And recently when I was doing a bit of Adam Googling, I'm not sure why, probably because we've been reading the diaries. There's actually, it's either a documentary or there's some footage of him, of them filming this film clip. And there's a part where he swings on, you know, those big wooden candelabras, with candles, from chains from the ceiling in castles. And so there's he actually swaying from one, he did his own stunt. And that's actually- there's this making of behind the scenes documentary showing him practising that. I'll put the link in the show notes. It's so funny and good. And then there's also the fairy godmother who was an English icon. I can't remember... Diana Dors. And she was, I think, a singer and a film actress, maybe from the '60s, '50s. So she's there as the, so she did a cameo.
LILY 16:24
It's so funny, because I can't only [imagine]... it must have been so hard back then to obsess over people because you didn't have say YouTube where you could see that kind of behind the scenes footage. You know, now there's so much content for people to consume of they're crushes and loves, you can get so much from them personally. And you're, hanging out for Countdown or 60 Minutes, you know, like probably once or twice a week for like a minute on him. Whereas now, like, we watch someone on their Instagram or Tik Tok, and it's just like, it's so close.
JENNY 17:03
Yeah, we just didn't have that. But I do wonder whether that act of being able to seemingly look into people's lives and consume celebrities in that way now actually lessens the impact of the crush, because I don't think there's anything as strong as the imagination, especially that febrile 17-year-old school girl imagination and fantasy kind of world. And you can stretch so little so far.
LILY 17:36
I think- I do wonder if it maybe means that like crushes burnout quicker, you know? So like you consume, consume, you feel that very strongly. Like if you've been sustained on crumbs, you just kind of keep going on for longer. Someone should do a study. Someone should do a study, technical study into the crushes of teenage girls.
JENNY 18:01
I know. And I haven't, I haven't had a crush like for decades now it feels so I would not know what it's like to be able to access that sort of information on a crush. Anyway, then on 60 Minutes, he talked really intelligently and optimistically. He is so attractive. I think he looks just as if not better looking without his makeup than with it. I just, I love just thinking about what I'm going to wear to the concert. I want to look stunning. If that's possible. I want to wear my nice white shirt. But I don't know what else. How shall I wear my hair? Plaits somehow, of course, and ribbons. But I always wear ribbons anyway.
LILY 18:46
You wore ribbons out. Because I wouldn't have thought out
JENNY 18:51
No, at school. I wouldn't have thought out but maybe I did. I don't remember.
LILY 18:55
God there's nothing like a school ribbon. I completely forgot we used to wear ribbons to school.
JENNY 19:00
I wouldn't have thought I'd wear them not in school, but maybe. I don't know. _____'s annoying me at the moment. She keeps on saying things like Gee, Adam's gorgeous, or I'll have lots of dreams tonight. It shits me. She's so condescending.
LILY 19:16
Oh, is that making fun of you?
JENNY 19:18
No she actually yeah, yeah, she liked him.
LILY 19:23
No, Adam's my thing.
JENNY 19:25
Well, yeah. I wish she didn't like Adam. It makes him seem cheap to think that there are 1000s of little sucks like _____ who like him [laughter]
LILY 19:35
Sucks. Like, I'll say Liz. Or, like you. You're like: I'm not a suck.
JENNY 19:45
Right? Yeah. I know. And I'm not a suck at 17. I mean, it makes more sense for a 12 year old
LILY 19:51
No I don't think so, it's so interesting that you had this concept of like teenyboppers being really young. I don't think it's weird to have a crush on someone- maybe. Maybe at that point you have kind of transitioned to crushes on like real life people. But you were also at a girls' school so few and far between unless you were going to have a crush on Pubic Hair Bear or whatever his name was?
JENNY 20:14
Well, I think I'm just going through teenage stuff and it's quite delayed, you know. I've got Yeah. Jim too is annoying. While I'm complaining. I may as well say mum gets on my nerves. I hope- so that's very teenagery, like, irritated and frustrated and, yeah, all of those things. I hope I can escape overseas soon. ______ says I can go to Hong Kong Christmas if I want to. I'll have to talk to dad about it. Got to go now. Jen. Adam X 15th of September 1981. Tuesday. I'm lying in my bed at the moment. Just after we had finished dinner, ______ popped in. She had been crying. And she told me that everything had got too much in her place. Her mum was really horrible to her. She's really insensitive, told me that she was really confused. She said she felt really like Prufrock, when she was with _______ this afternoon. He picked her up from school Prufrock. It's a TS Eliot poem. The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock. It's about a character who sort of exists, he's in society, but he's, but he's not in society. So he's obviously a member of upper class, you know, society. And he talks about being at the soirees and, people having coffee and cake and talking and, lovely women and whatnot, but he's just on the periphery, and he's observing, and he doesn't feel, he's timid, you get the sense that he would like to, but he's not married, or partnered, but he's ageing, and would very much like to be partnered and married. And it's just, yeah, it's one of my favourite poems actually.
LILY 22:12
It's interesting that she's feeling all that even with a guy which is kind of similar to how you've been feeling of like not having that person.
JENNY 22:20
Yeah exactly. When she was with ______ this afternoon, he picked her up from school, because he finished his exams today, and they went to a coffee shop, said she just wanted to hug him. But for some inexplicable reason she couldn't, she was so frustrated. So maybe they're not together?
LILY 22:41
Or maybe there's not like a-
JENNY 22:42
like she likes him. But maybe there's no romance there. And she's wanting to make that kind of leap and can't that's very Prufrockian
LILY 22:52
It may be a but interesting that he really kind of like- hanging out and picking her up if there wasn't that interest.
JENNY 22:58
Yeah, but he, I know, but that's like, you know, school boy-school girl, neither making a move sort of- do you know what I mean?
LILY 23:04
Yeah, exactly. So that's how she's reading it. At this point, can you kind of remember or pinpoint where you guys are at? Because like, there's kind of been some allusions to- some disillusionment with her and stuff.
JENNY 23:17
Yeah, probably yeah, less.
LILY 23:21
Less enamoured. Less of the Bible reading [laughter]
JENNY 23:25
Yeah, less of the I was gonna say, disciple than I was before. She said that I had confused her too when she was annoyed by ______ I used to get upset and say it's not like you Dor, that shat her because it was as if she had to be perfect, which is impossible. And that's fair enough, you know, like, you want your friends to accept you for sort of your textures,
LILY 23:52
particularly if you're kind of kind of starting to see her more, and you know, if you're stressed by that, and you're wanting her to be how you previously saw her, you know, and then holding her to that standard, which that would feel quite oppressive in a way for her
JENNY 24:13
I'll just have to realise she's not perfect. Far from it. She acts how she feels. So do I. Anyway, now ____ is okay with ______ it's who's getting annoyed by her. Sometimes I feel I want to talk to ______ and tell her to be herself, but how would she react anyway? ______ cried a bit and asked for a hug. Then we tried to do some work. I asked her if she wanted to stay the night and she said she'd ring home and tell her dad, but he wanted her to come home and picked her up. Maybe it was for the better. He may have wanted to talk to her. She needs someone in her family to talk to.
LILY 24:52
Do you have kind of an idea what was going on there?
JENNY 24:56
Yeah, the mother was a raging fucking narcissist? Was very cruel. But I do think that sometimes there can be a child in the family who becomes the repository as it were. For all of the dysfunction, the parental dysfunction that also affects the others. So for everybody, that one child can become the punching bag for everybody.
LILY 25:21
I think it's either the, the youngest child is either kind of coddled and the golden child and the favourite. And I think it probably has a lot to do with who that oldest child is. And then I think the middle child is usually just neither. Yeah, well, I think the middle child is always just kind of neither, maybe? Neither the hated or neither the extremely loved. Yeah, tends to be the oldest or the youngest. And then the middle child has their own kind of, complexes about that, just kind of being in the middle and being the sort of nothing. Yeah, Jim and I used to kind of gang up and pick on Liz quite a bit. That's different kids doing it to parents doing it. Like there's always going to be bullying shit. And sometimes I hear stuff as an only child and I'm like, Oh, my God, but you know what I mean, you know, you talk to them, and they're just like, that was just, you know, yeah, that was just life. And, you know, you knew that if you went to your parents if it was serious enough, they'd back you up or sort it out or whatever, but it's when adults start doing it.
JENNY 26:29
Oh, it's awful. Oh my gosh, so many traumas. _____'s work is getting on top of her too, so I can't remember what work she did but probably in a sh- oh no, maybe schoolwork. I wish I could help her properly but there's nothing I can do apart from being a consistent and loving friend and talk with her and always be willing to listen. Now to another topic, one that is rarely out of my mind for long at all. You guessed it, Adam. I don't know what to wear to the concert which is on in eight (8) days.
LILY 27:03
Eight days. How are you breathing?
JENNY 27:07
absolutely will be in a tizz by this stage. I dug out mum's old wedding dress again. I had tried it on a couple of months ago but it didn't fit, anyway yesterday I decided to give it one more try. But instead of wearing it properly, I put it on back to front with the buttons up the front and it fitted. It's so beautiful. Ivory silk with frills and lovely sleeves.
LILY 27:30
Where's Gran's wedding dress now?
JENNY 27:32
Ah... well... I think it went into the dress ups and then it went
LILY 27:39
That could have been used in a wedding of a grandchild!
JENNY 27:45
I might have actually- she might have said you can do what you want with it and I might have wrecked
LILY 27:50
Defiled it!
JENNY 27:51
Yeah. It's so beautifu, dah dah dah. I'd love to wear it with rag curls. Big pink bow and pink sash and gym boots. Gym boots are what are now called Converse. High top Converse. It's quite tight, however, and I couldn't dance properly. I couldn't do my 80s dancing in it. I would love it, I would be so different. Other people will be wearing miniskirts, pirate clothes, Indian clothes, etc. But me: wedding dress. If I don't wear that I'll wear my white blousey shirt -- keep coming back to the blousey pirate shirt. Cameo brooch. Big purple snakeskin belt -- meaning wide -- avec giant buckle and white pants. So that was mum's belt. It wouldn't have been real snakeskin but it was purple. And had a big silver round buckle at the front. It was a very thick belt.
LILY 28:50
Sure, sure. So it was just this idea that you're like I'm gonna go see Adam for the first time in a wedding dress. I love you Adam, I'm ready for the wedding. Also that you're gonna be noticed from your like difference in what you're wearing.
JENNY 29:06
I know, wanting to stand out
LILY 29:09
but then also maybe not wanting to stand out so you're returning to the idea of, you know, yes a pirate blouse like yeah, everyone's gonna be a pirate so you've got, it's like how what you're comfortable with and who you want to be- the two sides
JENNY 29:26
I'd love it if he was on stage singing and staring at me. Oh, fantasy! What a buzz! I'd better not get carried away. There will be 1000s of girls. They're just aching to have him notice them.
LILY 29:38
All in wedding dresses! [Laughter]
JENNY 29:41
Everyone thinking I'm different. He'll see me. How depressing. Anyway, it gives me something to dream about. I'll go and listen to Prince Charming now. I LOVE him. And Jen, Adam X.
LILY 29:59
Okay, maybe we'll pause there
JENNY 30:00
Sure.
LILY 30:02
And I'll be back in like 10 mins or such.
JENNY 30:06
Okay,
LILY 30:07
I'll let you know
Narrator 30:08
[Recording paused]
JENNY 30:10
You got your cash money?
LILY 30:11
Flash my cash! That's the sound of money friends
JENNY 30:17
plastic money.
LILY 30:18
Yeah the plastic money
JENNY 30:20
Did she? What did she say?
LILY 30:23
Um, she wasn't sure, she she was like, Oh, that one's really big and I'm: I gave you all the measurements friend. But she took it anyway and then she asked Do you make them yourself? I was like no, my father is Turkish, he sources it all from over there hand-made in the VILLAGES it's a natural DYE, blah blah blah. So funny because last week I was out with _____ and I had organised for someone to come pick up some cushion covers and she like rocked up like half an hour early. And I was like, I'm not home and ____ very kindly found them and [did it] for me, and ____ was like, yeah, I was like being a salesman or being like, yeah, she's Turkish like blah blah. But apparently- Yeah, like she's gonna, her dad's Turkish. Yeah, so we got everyone in on the
JENNY 31:13
sales side.
LILY 31:16
But anyway, yes. Thank you to my customers. You've got great taste. Oh my god, I got this new eyeliner. It's just smudged so much.
JENNY 31:26
Is it Victoria Beckham?
LILY 31:28
No. How's yours going?
JENNY 31:30
I tried it once. I mean, what occasion do I have to wear my Navy Noir Khol?
LILY 31:36
Yeah what galas and events you're going to?
JENNY 31:42
But it was nice and smudgy and very soft. And very navy noir. Back to Adam!
LILY 31:47
Yeah back to the important things.
JENNY 31:50
Exactly. 16th of September 1981. I talked to dad tonight and told him about _____ inviting me to Hong Kong. He's really interested in it. He said, That sounds like a perfect 18th birthday present to me. Me too. It would be fantastic. He told me to find out some details. And so that sounds somewhat promising.
LILY 32:12
So not to not to spoil, but that did happen?
JENNY 32:16
This one does.
LILY 32:19
There you go. Because he's feeling guilty about the lack of three months Euro trip that he promised. I'll send you over to Hong Kong.
JENNY 32:28
Exactly. But there is there there is a sting in this tale that I will not spoiler. Yes, but just I've got it written here is that sounds like a perfect 18th birthday present to me. I heard it announced on 3XY today. So 3XY was the radio station that played all the good hits. It was kind of like the contemporary pop station
LILY 32:53
Sounds so old and daggy to me now 3XY
JENNY 32:55
Yeah but back then it was all the hits. Whereas you had the other 3AW that so this is before Triple R before Triple M or any of those. You had 3XY. You had 3AW, you had the ABC?
LILY 33:11
Why is it all 3s? And like triple and Triple J?
JENNY 33:17
It would have been, something to do with the frequency. I don't know. We'll do some research, put it in our notes
LILY 33:23
People who are into radios, let us know because I literally, I can't even figure out how to like program in my car, my radio station so I can just press a button instead of having to work through everything I
JENNY 33:37
So now it's numbers, 774 Is the ABC whereas the ABC used to be called 3LO, but I'm pretty sure in the car radio, it was still numbers but maybe there were letters I don't remember. That's a really good, we will do some research and put it in the show notes. So I heard it announced on 3XY today that there's to be another Adam and the Ants concert on the 30th! Should I go? _____ would love to go. I could take her. I'll think about it
LILY 34:06
You haven't been to your first one yet though.
JENNY 34:08
No.
LILY 34:08
Okay, right so you just
JENNY 34:09
yeah so it will be a couple of days after the first one maybe or the next night or something like that. Tonight on Video Disk -- whatever that was -- obviously a show. They played Stand and Deliver. Adam the dandy highway man is honestly the best looking male I have ever seen. He's even far more beautiful than any WOMAN I have ever seen.
LILY 34:38
Oh my god, you know how many we started this and he said, you know it goes on for quite a while strap in.
JENNY 34:46
Oh, we're not even like, we haven't even made it to the concert yet.
LILY 34:49
My lord
JENNY 34:51
In the film clip he has his plaits, his stripe and sheer lip gloss and khol on his eyes. As he sings, he does the most exquisite facial expressions, purses his lips, rolling his eyes, snarling in the sexiest way imaginable. I'd give anything to have a film or video of it. So this is before VHS, having a VHS recorder.
LILY 35:24
That's wild.
JENNY 35:25
So there was nothing that you like, you could know that he's going to be on Countdown. You know, they're going to play the film clip. And there was no way that you could have your own copy of that to look at again later, in the privacy of your bunk [laughter]
LILY 35:41
[Laughter] your little sister up above!
JENNY 35:47
In the privacy of your *top* bunk,
LILY 35:49
top bunk, god that's funny. Right so he said, When did VHS come in? There must have been 80 something. I associate it with the 80s and VHS. You can sing it
JENNY 35:59
Oh, yeah. So I reckon it's 83 or so, 84 that we hired a VHS player. Maybe 85 and I? Yeah, that's coming soon. But not soon enough. Not soon enough for this 17-year-old girl on her top bunk. So he is just so good looking. Here are some words from the song. 'I'm the dandy highway man, you're too scared to mention. I spend my cash on looking flash and grabbing your attention. The devil take your stereo and your record collection. The way you look. you'll qualify for next year's old age pension, so Stand and Deliver your money or your life. Try and use a mirror no bullet or a knife.' It's really hard not to sing this [Singing] 'Even though even though you fool your soul your conscience will be mine.' [Vocalisations] 'ALL mine' and then at the background [Making drumming sounds] The band was famous for having two drum kits, so there were two drummers and it gave them a really big sound and it was
LILY 37:18
revolutionary.
JENNY 37:19
It was revolutionary in the music world. 'Oh I'm the dandy highwayman so tired of easy fashion. The clumsy boots peekaboo roots that people think so dashing. So what's the point of robbery when nothing is worth taking? It's kind of tough to tell a scruff the big mistake he's making.' So he's being very judgmental about scruffy fashion you know, non fashion people rise. 'We're the dandy highwaymen. So tired of excuses, of deep meaning philosophies where only showbiz loses. We're the dandy highwaymen and here's our invitation: Throw your safety overboard and join our insect nation.' So bringing in the ant reference there.
LILY 38:07
Right. Was that ever explained, why the ant?
JENNY 38:13
I think in this recent, you know, the stuff that I was looking at, I think he does answer that and I might be making it up but I think he says something like, you know, they're ordinary, they're everywhere, but they're hard working and they're important. It was quite a humble sort of, sort of a humble they're, they're hard working. But I think he had this sort of idea of the swarms of followers, like the ant followers swarming to take over the world.
LILY 38:46
Right which were going to be what, his groupies was this all part of the plan?
JENNY 38:51
Fans not groupies
LILY 38:55
Is there an ant Queen like the queen bee?
JENNY 38:57
I don't know, maybe? You mean King Ant. I don't know. So pretty cool, n'est-ce pas? The way the way Adam sings -- so let's do some analysis now -- 'Even though you fool your soul, your conscience will be mine. All mine.' I wish he was singing it about me. I'd love to know exactly what he's doing right now. Maybe he's on the plane, zooming down to Ozzie land. I'm so glad I'm writing all this crap in here, it means I don't go on about it so much with my friends.
LILY 39:35
Yeah, it's a good outlet. Good. Yeah you can just go on about it, forty years later to your listeners and your daughter.
JENNY 39:44
I know people would get sick of it if I didn't have this release. Honestly, I think I'm fanatical.
LILY 39:51
I don't know what you're talking about!
JENNY 39:53
I've never felt like this about anybody before. When I used to see the screaming hysterical mob at Beatle's concerts, I used to think what sucks. I really did. I couldn't understand the hysteria. But now I can. You, you feel so insignificant. And I hope... What does that mean? And I hope I control myself at the concert. Well, time will tell. Maybe it's silly, but I think I'll have to concentrate more on my work. It's silly to throw it all away with nine weeks to go. I have to give it my all. Okay, concentration J x. Then in brackets, notice no Jen, Adam x. So that's me focusing on my work
LILY 40:36
Self control!
JENNY 40:37
And not throwing it all away. So that's the other thing, nine weeks to go to the end of Year 12. So I'm feeling the pressure. And this is such an escape
LILY 40:48
Well, yes, of course. And yeah, it would be very hard to focus, you know, on stuff if this is where your mind is at and it's only probably what, you said seven or eight days until the concert.
JENNY 41:00
I know. Eight day
LILY 41:04
Yeah. Interesting. I feel like I can kind of just imagine this, like being released and someone's doing some obscure PhD somewhere. And they want this as like primary sources.
JENNY 41:19
Doing a PhD thesis on
LILY 41:21
Adam and the Ants and wants your primary sources, these documents, your analysis of the lyrics, you know, as seen through the eyes of a 17 year old girl in 1981, it's invaluable
JENNY 41:35
I know, it really is. I mean, it's
LILY 41:36
You're contributing.
JENNY 41:38
Yeah, I'm contributing to the scholarly works or whatever. 17th of September 1981, Thursday, I mean, reading this, it's making me excited. Like, I really want to get to the concert. I want to see what I what I wore, and what I say about it.
LILY 41:56
Yeah [laughter] I'm just... I'm just a bit... bored. [Laughter]
JENNY 42:01
[Laughter] How can you say it? Oh, my god
LILY 42:05
Well I'm excited for the concert. I'm hoping that will release some tension for you and then maybe we'll, you know. It's ok. I understand.
JENNY 42:18
All right. Well, I mean, it does go on, it does go on, but we do eventually get through this and life moves on.
LILY 42:24
[Laughter] Good
JENNY 42:26
17th of September 1981. Thursday. Tonight Adam Ant was on Don Lane tonight. Don crapped on... So this was a talk show that was on, for adults. Don crapped on a bit about romanticism, etc. As we saw a film of the Ants-
LILY 42:41
You're like: Don. Shut up. Put on Adam, I'm not here for you, Don.
JENNY 42:46
Yeah. As we saw a film of the Ants arriving at Sydney Airport, Adam walking along, no makeup and plaits in his hair. A girl -- bloody bitch -- rushed over and kissed him on the lips. I got so mad.
LILY 43:01
You're just like Why the fuck was I not at that airport?
JENNY 43:05
And yeah, I taped the whole interview. So that would have been just audio only with a tape recorder. I taped the whole interview. I love his voice. It's so quiet and shy, as he was the Kid in Jubilee.
LILY 43:20
Right so you're up in your top bunk with the tape recorder. Listening to his voice
JENNY 43:27
[Laughter] Then he came on, so onto the Don Lane show, and everyone clapped. Some screamed. He looked really shy. He kept mouthing the words 'Thank you very much' but no sound came. He was wearing his black shirt and his shiny stripey baggy pants and black shiny leather shoes and buckles. Throughout the interview, he sucked his lips, fluttered his eyes, slowly opening and closing them, and smiled a lot. I was talking to Nim tonight and I suggested she asked her Adam if he'd follow Adam in his car. [Laughter] Okay
LILY 44:10
WHAT?
JENNY 44:11
Okay, so she's got an Adam, maybe a boyfriend
LILY 44:14
sure
JENNY 44:14
[Laughter] I was [laughter] I suggested she asked her Adam [laughter]
LILY 44:32
I love that. You're like I'm so glad I've got this release otherwise I'd be too crazy with my friends, and here you are [laughter] asking him to stalk, to tail and stalk your crush. [Laughter]
JENNY 44:47
[Laughter] Okay. If- if [laughter] if she'd ask her Adam, if he'd follow Adam Ant In his car after the concert to see where he's staying, it's practically our only chance to see him properly or meet / kiss him [laughter]
LILY 45:13
[Laughter] Stop, okay, this is the problem solving of a crazy person!
JENNY 45:25
[Laughter]
LILY 45:25
It's the only way, there's no other options.
JENNY 45:30
Anyway I have to go to sleep now Adam, Jenny X [Laughter] So he's first!
LILY 45:35
[Laughter] You've had one day without him included when you're gonna try to be serious and like focus and then now it's started [again].
JENNY 45:46
I know but it's flipped, it was Jen Adam before.
LILY 45:49
Doubled down.
JENNY 45:50
I am doubling down. All right, 21st of September 1981. Monday Well, it's three or four days since I last wrote. On Saturday morning Sounds -- so that was another music show on TV -- showed an interview with Adam in England before he left for Australia. I taped it. Then he hosted Countdown on Sunday and they sang Ant Music and Stand and Deliver. I'm looking forward to the concert so much. At the moment, Duran Duran is on the radio singing Careless Memory. They are my next favourite group to Adam and the Ants. So do you know Duran Duran?
LILY 46:28
I will have a Google.
JENNY 46:29
There was John Taylor, Simon Le Bon
LILY 46:34
Duran what's, what's this word? Duran Duran?
JENNY 46:37
I don't know, actually, but spelled with one R. Yeah. So John Taylor was one of the guitarists. He was the cute one I thought. Simon Le Bon was the lead singer. They were New Romantics. They weren't over the top, like they were cooler. Like they were a bit more restrained.
LILY 46:55
They look like kind of a weird version of-
JENNY 46:59
are you looking at 2021 or 1981?
LILY 47:01
No, no, no. 2021's depressing. Yeah. 1981
JENNY 47:05
Like Loverboy [2021, depressing]
LILY 47:09
Like a weird mix of like Napoleon mixed with like, Gestapo mixed with pilot men from the '20s
JENNY 47:21
Pilot or pirate?
LILY 47:22
Pilot.
JENNY 47:23
Okay. So their hits were Planet Earth
LILY 47:29
oh. There's a picture of them pre, they don't look so New Romantic. They look more cute boyband? They're like the One Direction of '81.
JENNY 47:40
This one? [Holding up photo]
LILY 47:42
No, it's the one with a kind of they're all in white. And someone's got a hat on. So obviously for a photoshoot. Oh my god, look at them now. Oh, there's only four of them now.
JENNY 47:51
Someone must have left. I don't think anyone died
LILY 47:53
Someone probably just decided, you know, it's a bit embarrassing to be in a boy band when you're 60. So who did you like? Who was your crush?
JENNY 48:00
John Taylor.
LILY 48:01
John... not Roger Taylor.
JENNY 48:04
There were I think there were brothers. Not Roger, John.
LILY 48:07
Oh, yeah. Right. Young. Yes. I noticed him, he kind of looks a bit like Rob Lowe. In a way
JENNY 48:14
Little bit
LILY 48:15
Yeah, a little bit with the hair. Oh, yeah. He's cute. Okay. This is like the first of your crushes that I'm like, I get it. I see it. I'd have a crush on him too. Oh, my God. Look at him smiling. Oh, okay.
JENNY 48:26
Yeah, you get it?
LILY 48:27
Yeah. Finally.
JENNY 48:28
All right. We'll put up a picture.
LILY 48:31
Kind of also looks a bit like Harry Styles, like between Rob Lowe and Harry Styles.
JENNY 48:37
Yep.
LILY 48:37
Yeah. Oay!
JENNY 48:39
So he was very cute.
LILY 48:40
Yeah. Okay, cool. Well, you've got my seal of approval for that crush
JENNY 48:43
Oh finally,
LILY 48:44
Finally, yeah [laughter] it's only taken like 15 different men.
JENNY 48:48
[Laughter] So they are my next favourite group to Adam and the Ants. Nim stayed the night on Saturday, and we went babysitting at ______. After school today Dee, ____ and I went shopping. During lit, _______ had a brilliant idea of making contact with Adam. She suggested we buy him a present and give it to him somehow. I then thought of a book of Aboriginal singing slash music but we couldn't find one. So we got a lovely picture book of Waltzing Matilda. We're going to send a letter too, and write in the cover of the book. As long as we make sure he gets it, he'll have it always. I hope. So. That's the strategy. I rang up Qantas tonight. Also, this isn't connected. So this
LILY 49:36
is sorry. Okay. Well, you have to get you have to pause there because I've got so much to say. Okay, firstly, you guys are like, Oh my God, we've got a plan. We've got an idea. How we do it. And that plan is [laughter]
JENNY 49:50
to give him a present,
LILY 49:51
we buy him a present. Doesn't go into how in the world you're going to get it to him. You're like, we'll buy him a present and we'll give it to like where? If you're giving him a present, then you've already met him.
JENNY 50:04
No, no, but we do-
LILY 50:05
You're going to try to send it to somebody ?
JENNY 50:07
We develop this plan.
LILY 50:09
Right
JENNY 50:10
just hang in there.
LILY 50:12
It's so funny. This whole time you're like, yeah, it's bit crazy. It's a bit like teenybopperish. I'll be like, No, I think it's normal to like have crushes at 17. That's not insane. But I must admit, your problem solving for like, how to meet him feels like you're 12. [Laughter]
JENNY 50:24
[Laughter]
LILY 50:27
You know, like, follow him in a car!
JENNY 50:30
That was very 12 year old, but I mean, he's,
LILY 50:33
you know, he gets so much shit from everyone you think he's looking at it? If it gets to him? No
JENNY 50:39
Well, alright, so anything else?
LILY 50:42
But Adam. If you're listening, let us know if you received Waltzing Matilda
JENNY 50:47
from Jenny and ______ in 1981. And our phone numbers are in there, mine's changed. It was 25 1872
LILY 50:59
It's changed in the last 40 years, he's been calling that number and asking for Jenny. What's happened?
JENNY 51:05
[Laughter] You can email me, find me on Facebook. Find me on Facebook, find me and add me. Anyway. So that's the strategy. I rang up Qantas tonight and the return fare to Hong Kong peak season is $954.
LILY 51:23
Thata was a lot of money back then.
JENNY 51:25
It was a lot of money.
LILY 51:26
Feel like you'd get like cheaper flights even today?
JENNY 51:30
Yeah, but that was Qantas. Tomorrow I'm going to the Ashburton op. shop and I'll enquire at the travel agent about Cathay fares and concessions etc. I better stop now. Okay. By Jen. X.
LILY 51:48
Oh my god, it's so interesting. I kind of want to create- some kind of- if this podcast ever becomes big, some kind of fan movement to get you to meet Adam Ant
JENNY 52:01
Oh!!! I'd love it!!! It would be so much fun, just to sort of chat about it.
LILY 52:09
[Laughter]
JENNY 52:10
[Laughter] And be friends, being friends was always- because all my celebrity dreams I think I've told you, we were friends, it was never sexual, never even kissing but friends having conversations, being funny and laughing with each other.
LILY 52:28
Okay, well that's now my goal of this whole podcast, I don't care if we do anything else, I want you to just be friends with Adam.
JENNY 52:35
[Laughter]
LILY 52:36
Cause I've seen behind the curtain. I've seen what this meant
JENNY 52:40
Oh my god. That's so funny about getting someone to follow him because of course we didn't have cars and a parent would never do that. But maybe a boyfriend would? [Laughter] So funny!
LILY 52:54
It's like: I have no shame, I'm gonna ask a real boy in my vicinity to follow [Adam Ant]
JENNY 53:00
It would be really funny to find out if Nim ever, if she remembers.
LILY 53:03
Probaby not
JENNY 53:04
No
LILY 53:05
I wouldn't have asked.
JENNY 53:05
[Laughter] She wouldn't haven't asked. My crazy friend. Funny. Because Nim kind of wasn't as obsessed but ______ was, so now ______ takes up the reins. And the two of us forge ahead with our crazy plan. The Waltzing Matilda plan.
LILY 53:29
Wow.
JENNY 53:32
How you going for time?
LILY 53:34
I probably wouldn't mind going and having a shower. I've had a very, very busy day.
JENNY 53:39
Sure. You know, we've got to, we've got to save some back. You know, we can't have all the-
LILY 53:43
yeah cause god forbid we get through the 40 years of material too quick! [Laughter] We'll be old women still doing this!
JENNY 53:52
We can't have all the Adam gold in one episode. We've got to spread it out
LILY 53:56
No, because that's what people tune in for, so. Yeah, come back next week for more. To find out how the Waltzing Matilda book will get to Adam Ant. The plan will unfold I'm sure.
JENNY 54:09
Well, yeah, we've got maybe six more days until the concert.
LILY 54:13
Are you aiming to just chuck it on stage at him. You knock him out with it?
JENNY 54:16
no spoilers. No spoilers. I'm not gonna give away, like I remember what we do. I'm not gonna spoil it.
LILY 54:24
No. Let's create some, build some tension.
JENNY 54:27
Some more tension!
LILY 54:31
Cool. Well, you know, that was a good one. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited to have maybe some more insight into what's going on in your life. Because I've got no clue what's happening right now apart from Adam Ant
JENNY 54:45
everyone will just be pulling all the threads together as we go. It's all fine. It all connects up somehow. Sometimes.
LILY 54:54
Or it's all utter nonsense, either way we're getting through it.
JENNY 54:58
Exactly.
LILY 54:58
Cool. What are you going to do tonight?
JENNY 55:01
Try and do some writing, some editing, reading over. Maybe watch some of the Office or maybe watch some Sopranos.
LILY 55:09
Nice.
JENNY 55:10
What about you?
LILY 55:10
Yeah, wash my hair, I've got another cushion pick up
JENNY 55:15
Oh you're a revolving door.
LILY 55:17
It's a distribution centre. Yes, so that's good. Yeah, I need to rinse my hair and got to do it up properly in the robe [tie] situation for weekend birthday.
JENNY 55:30
Okay, well, good to chat
LILY 55:34
Good to chat
JENNY 55:36
Please don't sue us.
LILY 55:37
Yeah, please don't sue us
JENNY 55:39
But Adam, get in touch [laughter]
LILY 55:40
Yeah. Or if you're
JENNY 55:41
As always
LILY 55:42
[If you're] Adam Ant you're welcome to sue us because then you'll have to come to court with us and we'll get to meet you. So that's fine.
JENNY 55:48
My lawyers will get your address or no, they'll get your your lawyer's address. [Laughter] That won't work. But Adam, get in touch
LILY 55:55
I wonder what he's doing now. Like, what do you do? What's your hobby? What? Like, what do you do after that?
JENNY 56:02
Well I don't think he would have retired, I think he's probably still performing
LILY 56:05
You reckon?
JENNY 56:06
Oh, yeah.
LILY 56:07
As if you haven't gone to see him.
JENNY 56:10
Again?
LILY 56:11
What is Adam Ant doing now?
JENNY 56:16
I reckon he's still performing
LILY 56:18
Ant has reactivated- 'since 2010, Ant has reactivated his musical career, performing live regularly in his hometown of London and beyond... recording and releasing a new album. Adam Ant is Blueblack Hussar. Okay, so he doesn't make
JENNY 56:34
blue what?
LILY 56:35
Blueblack Hussar
JENNY 56:39
Hussar. He used to wear the Hussar jacket that um,
LILY 56:45
He looks like Johnny Depp now, like a less attractive fatter Johnny Depp.
JENNY 56:50
Oh, I reckon he's *more* attractive now than Johnny Depp. Johnny Depp looks dreadful now. Well, I'll put up on the Insta we'll put up side by side Johnny Depp and Adam Ant and we'll get people to vote who's more attractive
LILY 57:03
We will. Cause let's objectify men.
JENNY 57:06
Oh he's 58 No, surely that must be a while back. This photo... 2012... Oh, yeah. So that's what nine years ago, so he's 67 [laughter]
LILY 57:17
Jesus
JENNY 57:18
Oh dear
LILY 57:19
He looks very kooky, I'll say that much
JENNY 57:22
kooky
LILY 57:26
Oh my god I just found a photo captioned: 'Adam Ant: hot then, hot now' so you know, he's still got fans?
JENNY 57:37
[Laughter] Of course. Oh my god.
LILY 57:42
Did he have children, I wonder?
JENNY 57:44
No, I don't think he ever married or had children.
LILY 57:47
Do you think he's gay?
JENNY 57:48
You'd think he would have- maybe he's asexual?
LILY 57:52
'Is Adam Ant a gypsy?' is something people also ask. Oh, he is
JENNY 58:00
gay?
LILY 58:01
No. Romani gypsy stock.
JENNY 58:04
Oh, okay. Like this. This look? Yeah. quirky. quirky as fuck.
LILY 58:15
Yeah, it's a lot.
JENNY 58:18
But you know, what I like about this is that he- It wasn't just a thing. He's carried it through his sort of, like, here is when the Napoleon hat, is that what you're talking about before? Look?
LILY 58:31
Yeah, I know, it's just... odd. Okay.
JENNY 58:35
A Napoleon hat with like a- what's that, an energy drink?
LILY 58:39
Yeah.
JENNY 58:44
It's funny, and he's still got a little crosses on his cheek.
LILY 58:46
Okay, sorry. Sorry. Okay. So I'm just reading an article about him, which is a headline 'Anyone over 30 belongs to me. Bisexual, male, female, gay, whatever... Adam Ant was was the king of 1980s camp, shifting millions of records, dressed as a pirate. Then came depression, marriage woes and an attack on his fish. But it's not all bad news, he tells Caroline Sullivan, and the nostalgia boom and a new pornographic single are putting him back...
JENNY 59:01
What?
LILY 59:21
Oh, he had a nervous breakdown.
JENNY 59:23
I knew about that.
LILY 59:24
Triggered by losing his fame
JENNY 59:27
What are the marriage woes... well he obviously got married.
LILY 59:31
Yeah.
JENNY 59:32
Who to? Jordan? [Laughter]
LILY 59:35
Look at this. This is back in 2002. No, when was this written? Yeah, this was in 2002.
JENNY 59:43
Anyway, I'm gonna do a deep dive for the show notes obviously and just put so much material up. Oh, here he is with Jordan. That's a cool cool photo
LILY 59:53
By 1985 he had passed his peak. That didn't last long.
JENNY 59:58
'85? Well, you know, just the next thing came along, that's always been the same
LILY 1:00:05
By the mid nineties, he was almost forgotten. See that must fuck with people so much, just have so much love and attention from everyone and then suddenly nothing
JENNY 1:00:15
Yeah, even I moved on.
LILY 1:00:17
Yeah, exactly.
JENNY 1:00:19
That's how it works.
LILY 1:00:21
Oh my God, he had a tenacious stalker who claimed she was his wife. She allegedly poisoned his koi carp. Jesus.
JENNY 1:00:28
Oh wow. See! I never got to that stage.
LILY 1:00:33
Well yeah [laughter] Good!
JENNY 1:00:34
[Laughter] Probably because of lack of opportunity.
LILY 1:00:38
Oh, he has a daughter named Lily. Oh my God. Spelled the same way. Oh my God. Is that where you got the name from?
JENNY 1:00:45
No. Oh, look at this. This is a wedding. Is this the wife?
LILY 1:00:50
Maybe? I don't know. I can't see. Yeah, marital problems. Oh my god. No, you have to move it up more so I can see her... Yes. Maybe Oh, she looks like you... No?
JENNY 1:01:01
She looks like me. Married!
LILY 1:01:03
But he was saying that he kind of got fucked financially by the record company. So he obviously didn't have a lot of money
JENNY 1:01:09
Everybody did back then. Not victim blaming
LILY 1:01:14
No, no one knew what to do
JENNY 1:01:15
God. There's a photo here of him holding hands with Heather Graham! Heather Graham who was Roller Girl
LILY 1:01:22
He says 'and I started drinking on my 47th birthday. I hadn't touched a drop since Christmas '78.'
JENNY 1:01:27
Oh, interesting. Because yeah he was no drinking, no smoking
LILY 1:01:31
Still doesn't take drugs. Oh he's smoking in this article.
JENNY 1:01:34
Lots of photos of smoking, as an older Adam. Alright, so I will do a deep dive into his dating history and because there's, he's with Jamie Lee Curtis in some of these. I want to know about his daughter.
LILY 1:01:49
Yeah.
JENNY 1:01:50
That's fantastic
LILY 1:01:51
This is just gonna become an Adam podcast.
JENNY 1:01:55
Oh my god look at this photo of him in little shorty shorts on stage. Never saw- never saw his legs, ever
LILY 1:02:04
Oh wow.
JENNY 1:02:08
Never saw his legs out of his leather pants.
LILY 1:02:12
Oh my LORD, his legs.
JENNY 1:02:16
Okay, on that note, Adam Ant's LEGS
LILY 1:02:19
Yeah.
JENNY 1:02:21
Okay.
LILY 1:02:24
Cool
JENNY 1:02:24
Good chat. Love you.
LILY 1:02:26
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JENNY 1:02:53
Thanks for listening. And please don't sue us.
LILY 1:02:56
Yeah, don't sue us. Please. Rude