SlaverWee (with Robert Hines)

what fighting a game? Do you know this ship? I would do for you to be able to stand here in front of me and talk to me like I don't matter, right, that's Mr Nigger to you, sir. Chips were racist, money home turn stuff. You can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep,

there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and we finally work to prove that the Vida ligo on Winnie Harlow's body is in fact a map to finding Tupac. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, if you lay out all of Winnie Harlow's spots, you will find where Tupac is living. Some people say Cuba, some people say the Philippines. I say, turned to Winnie.

Stop trying to figure this out on your own. Let's talk to Winnie about this ship. Let's take a picture of her naked body. And that's not just because I want to see what it looks like under there. That's because I want to see where Pok is. Anyway, I'm your host, length Sting Kerman. I'm coming in hot as always, Ladies and gentlemen, this is not how you should behave This is I gotta do better. But you know who doesn't need to do better? You know who's doing just

goddamn fine. He's spectacular. It is my guest today. He's hilarious. I've I've known of his work for so long and it is such a pleasure to have him here. And more importantly, he has some brand new special coming out on YouTube. It's called Lockdown Detroit. I know it's gonna be funny as fun You guys are gonna love him. Please give it up for Robert, Hi, what's happening baby? But man, hey, man, I'm a big fan. Every time I hear that open, I'm like, man, this is funny.

This is like one of the things, like one of the movies you're watching, you find something that you missed before. Every time you are, I think it's so funny in a bazing Oh thanks man. This dude, Nick Chambers, who's

a very funny comedian, made it. And one of the things that we talked about when he made it was we wanted to put as many Easter eggs in it as possible so that when people listening back there like I didn't know you were saying that, and that's pretty fucked up, but I'm glad you said it anyway, played played the intro again. I'm excited you're here because you came with a conspiracy theory. That is when it came out, when when it touched ground for the folks at home,

it caused a lot of controversy. It was a very jarring conspiracy theory, to say the least. And I don't want to I don't want to belabor this anymore. But you said, my mama told me slavery was a choice. Yeah, I thought it absurd when I heard it myself. In my mind, what was the choice? You know that it makes the assumption that one should have jumped off the boat. You know a few people probably did, and and not enough, you know what I'm saying, Not everybody could get there?

Did yeah? And did everybody wanted to. So I'm saying, like, for me, when you say the choice now, I would tell you this, this version of slavery that we're living through now is a choice, because okay, we gotta let this whole capitalism. We got to pimp the beast. If we're not gonna be capitalism. If this is where we are, we gotta start buying from each other. We gotta stop promoting each other. And you know, and that's where my head is. I'm like, well, it may not have been

a choice before, but it's one now. So when we go out and do what we do, because we always excellent that everything we do, whatever you choose to be your discipline, I'm telling you, as a person of color, you are outstanding, and particularly if you black, because we all know we work in circles where we look around it is the only person that's keeping this whole bullshit

together some little black and one of them hounds. Two skirts that's a little too tight with a nicer now past that make yo day as a black man, go buy a little bit better? Yeah yeah, Okay, So you're unpacking a lot of ship here that I think, Uh, I want to I want to take a few steps back because I I think you're getting to something that's really important here. But you're saying, let's start with where you first heard this. Let's let's even take a step

further back from where we are you here. Slavery is a choice. Who is this coming from? I think we all kind of know where we first heard it. But I'm wondering if maybe you got like a cousin or some ship who said it to you. Okay, metaphorically you hear it all the time in the black community. Well, you don't want this to happen. You shouldn't have did that. That's that's essentially slavery is a choice. Like you don't

have very many choices. We you don't have resources and capitalism, and nobody ever wants to say that, not even the black community. Like sometimes we act really funky when we see somebody with less than us, and we act really, you know, stay in office, especially if they're not lost, if they haven't lost their minds, if anybody, if anybody post no threat to you, what you're looking down on,

you know. But but besides that, if it is a choice now, and in my mind, I think it is because we we know we have a pattern of behavior from these people, so we know what we have to do, right, we don't. We don't have time. Okay, everybody sucked up, everybody. We gotta heal hell here, and I'm gonna do what I can do to help heal. And the best thing I could do, being who I am and knowing what I know, is that I'm gonna start doing commercials for

black businesses. If I can make people believe that a a story that does not exist, if people want to want to go to that, then I'm making come to your ship. So that's why I'm asked to hit me on Instagram or whatever, find me, catch me. Now. That's way more y'all is me And I procrastinate a lot because I smoke a lot of weeds. And when I

get to you, this ship is gonna be amazing. Okay, I got you to you're saying you heard it and it's not literally your cousin told it to you, but a metaphorical cousin, a family member, a member of our community sort of express the thought. And your immediate responses not to go shut up, stupid, you're completely wrong, but to start to reason with some of that perspective. Absolutely find the truth in it, and reconcile with that truth.

Don't reconcile with the bullshit that they're trying to get you to reconcile with, or don't fall off on the idea. And this is not a criticism of the dude who said it, because he suffers from the same thing we all suffering. We gotta start greating each other on the curve. If you truly say you love yourself, yes you start with you, but you start with the greater you you did. They love themselves and they keep those images around you

all the time. I'm a storyteller, baby, I pay attention to all this ship, and I'm saying, like, they tell their story all the time. But why is it when you tell you us you got to shut up? You the racist? You know, that's the insanity to me. So I got on us all to realize how wonderful we are in the nuclear weapon that we have. Sure, and I think, I think what you're saying is really interesting, but it also I guess it's complicated to me, right, Like it's not in a bad way, but in a

really like important way that like we should unpass. So we're talking about sort of recognizing the greater consciousness in black culture and sort of like a an idea of unity creating unity. Do you feel like and I'm just gonna drop the name because we haven't said it yet, but fuck it, he's going We're going live with this ship. When Kanye comes out and he goes four hundred years of slavery, that sounds like a choice to me. Do

you feel like that has a potential for unifying? Do you feel like when that or is that something that divides even more than it we already are divided? I guess I guess the best way for me to answer that, especially on the weeds that I'm currently smoking, because what you ask me is a fairly complicated question if it gets to the nature of the exact entire thought, and my answer to that would sound vague, but it's honest.

It's it's a plus in a negative to everything, right, so it does unite us, even if it unites us against him. And but in addition to that, it also lets us have the conversation we are currently having. There is complication and black black consciousness that we need to reconcile amongst ourselves. Now they need to fix racism, but we need to fix the effects because they're never going to give the effort to and and and and. I say all this coming from the perspective of look at

this background. Dude, I was a correctional officer lockdowns. About my experience is trying to be the only dude that was partially woke because I wasn't fully woke. I was in my twenties. You did what I'm saying. Fifty year old me could tell you, man, lankster, kermit nigga, you

stand out. You understand what I'm saying. And I can tell you that because I know everybody your family probably stand out at something, because everybody in our great even the worst of us, even dude, I lived in Englewood. I see my family still in Englewood on sixty seven and dammon, it used to be this bo called Sherman's Foods. And there was a bone that was standing out in front of that store and entertained to get money to get drunk. And when I tell you, in a tank,

he wasn't trying to entertain. He was just entertaining by being himself. You walk up to the dude, we will get him to buy us drinks, right because we wasn't old enough. But as we was coming up, you see us coming, you know we won't. But he still give us his sales spill Nickel Dan quote opinion nicol quarter because he's gonna keep hitting the quarter because that's what he won't What a little bit of a show that don't cost you ship? Yeah, that's who your people are.

And then they got you believe your people are these animals that we act like based on the ship that they've done to us. Okay, so okay, So what by

that suggestion? Then what you're telling me is that while Kanye's words had the potential to divide at in terms of the way people interpreted, what we really should be focused on is this is a dude articulating or introducing rather a conversation that needs to be had, and we shouldn't spend as much time trying to nitpick his language because his languag, which is still the product of a bunch of evil people who built an evil thing that's sucking us up. Absolutely, do you not think it's having

any effect on this dude? Like, like, everything, my god, my beautiful people, everything on this planet has a goddamn cost. Now you listen to this ship Hee was making in the beginning that it was amazing and something ship now is amazing, but it got a cost to it. That that's it is fueled by pain that a lot of people can't understand. And those of us who can should get a nigger break. God damn, we gave you college drop out, leave on the funk along. Let him sit

over there and stewing this bullshit for men. So you're saying, and I think that's fair. I do think that one of the the more fucked up things that the media does is it forces us to have an immediate opinion without an immediate consideration, right that, Like, all right, he said some wild ship, and we react to the wild ship instead of reacting to the human underneath the wild ship. Right, Like, we're not going like, let's be sensitive to Kanye's struggle

or what he's he's dealing with. Let's just attack the words that he's saying. And historically the nigga doesn't talk good, you know what I mean, Like he's that's that's literally his his fucking weakness is talking, you know what I'm saying. So like, what are we doing when we we go and we go? You idiot, you fool? Why would you talk bad in front of famous It's like, yo, that's that's what he's worth. That man. Man, hey, man, tell

real quick story, just real quick side. Barbara, I love yea my mom lights skating woman from Bell Zone in Mississippi, Southern bell Everything has to be a certain way. You can never show weakness if you are from the South and you are female, but particularly if you light skinned. That's so she she watching that. Uh the girl that was zoned. God damn, I can't think of the child name. Man, I smoke so much. But um, your lady dad, the young lady dad. She was. She's a singer and she

I don't know if she one American either or she can. Fantasia, my god, you the thought Fantasia had spit in Jesus face when she said I couldn't read. My mother called me because you know she knows in the show business. And she called me, and this is some don't tell nobody type of conversation. I hear my mom, I'm spilling he right now. Okay, when she see this ship, she's gonna be mad as hell. But she called me, I have to assume your mom is not an avid listener

of this podcast. So you're gonna be fine. It doesn't matter. I know enough people that's gonna get it to her. My mom was angry when Fantasie said she couldn't been. She was like, he then went out in front of all his white folks and then totally people she can't read. And what I heard was, so the system has failed this girl to get to this point. What she gave read. This is what I'm thinking. I'm not thinking about what she I'm saying, fix the fucking problem. Let's stop dealing

with the symptoms, you know. And that's such a it's such a complicated duality that we always are sort of living in right on one angle. You you should we should be fucking celebrating Fantasia for making it all as far as she did to the top of the charts, not knowing her A b c's this entire time she didn't know none of them, and she made it that far. And there's a level of that where we should go.

That's amazing, that's a heroic story. But then on the other side, because we find ourselves sort of buried under decades of respectability politics and and represa, you know, wanting our best version of representation, it just ends up being this stupid bitches out here right telling the world that she is illiterate. This is this is embarrassing. She's shaming us. How how great do you have to be before people acknowledge that you're great? You know what I'm saying, How

great do you have especially when you're black? When you're white, the man ports to ship after your racist as, But if you're black, how great do you have to be? I'm saying, like Mike Man, we get caught up in bullshit. That's so amazing to me. Again, I don't have I don't care what your sexual preferences. I don't care who you are, how you do it, and how you present when you're doing it. I don't give a funk about none of that. I'm looking at the person behind it.

And um, and so when I heard you know, I read Richard price book and then Richard Pryor Hair had some some sexual experiences with people other than than women, And I heard a lot of dudes being judgment I'm like, this is a cats who admire to do like you're gonna use this man's entire humanity to some shitty did in seconds. You know that, I understand your You know, lots of people got moral compasses, but what is your moral compass based on? Yes? And I think it also

is a standard to that point. It's a standard that we place on our fellow black folks and that we don't always place on our white counterparts. Right Like if if today, if it came out that, like, you know, Bill Gates still counts with his fingers, none of us would be like this stupid motherfucker embarrassing the white community by by announcing that he's not that good at math. We would just be like, I mean, what a phenomenal

human who also you know what I mean? It's Albert Einstein who like is suffering with autism and struggling to communicate through major portions of his life. But we still celebrate his journey past that instead of looking at at that as some sort of weakness in his in his state, in his being, and I think in a in a fair way, I think what you're saying, and this is

getting us back to the Kanye of it all. What we're talking about as a person who has a mental illness and who struggles with articulating a lot of the complicated thoughts that live in his head and sometimes finds himself with eight feet in his mouth, despite the fact that that was not necessarily the intention that he went into that conversation with at all at all. I'm saying,

love yourself, man, love it. When you get up and see Lasan Kerman in the mirror, be be able to admit that you stand the funk out that these people should honor the one the ground that you got damn walk on, because honestly, man, we descend from people that gave him a four hunted year head started. Now you could tell me, You could tell me that I say this to everybody. You can say that, But what you can't tell me is, well, I'm lying. You understand what

I'm saying. For dude, this country leads the world based on your black ass. They're looking for ways to harness the power of the sound. We're walking around into like we got it already. We're showing you you ever. Yeah, man, dude, look at how pe funk the whole kind. Yeah, that's I'm saying, Man, enjoy your greatness, living it's doing it, and keep making excellent ship. Let me let me play a little devil's advocate, because I this is this is the nature of the beast. Baby, we gotta. I like

what you're doing. You're being positive, you're uplifting, You're encouraging people to start to see the beauty in the world, and all of that's important. But funk that. Let's play some devil's advocate in this conversation. I'm curious, I guess how you feel about some of what Kanye is saying in relation to his connection to whiteness, right that, like he is saying these statements in front of white people, he is going home to a white wife, He is

seeking white affirmation. We see this constantly in sort of like the choices that he's making of, like he wants Louis Vattan or Product or all these like white companies to affirm that he is a good person. Do you think that that complicates what he's saying or do you think we should just stand on what he's saying, despite whatever he's dealing with on a personal level, I'm saying what I said from the beginning. The equation always comes

to the same conclusion. Right, everything you describe to me, I'm hearing as who in America don't feel that way? Right? Who in America don't feel like like? Who? Black? Even if? Okay, if you gotta work around these people to get your dope and capitalism, you need their approval. If you don't have it, you can't exist, right, And so that is that is not just him, that's all of us. Now, he just got a bigger platform to act it out

in a mental illness to amplify it. But it's the same thing, and to me, at the end of the day, it all points to the same ship. Now, when I say this, I'm probably gonna be canceled. But because a minute, the people that I worked for don't always look like me, but I love them. They love me and my inner personal relationships. I do not have problems because I'm pleasant and I see the pleasantness and other people. But honestly, man, all of this ship boils down to just one thing,

white supremacy. Every problem you tell me a nigga got I can do the math to lead back to white supremacy. So see, wait a minute, you thought that was gonna get you canceled, because that's pretty much the premise of this show here day. I can't believe he feels that way because I walk around with a guy damn brand saying fuck this, fuck this. I'm showing you funk this. I'm not saying fuck this, right. Yeah, I I do think that this idea of of circling back to white

supremacy is a valid one. I do think that, like if we turn to the the education and the history, are relationships with these things, There's plenty to plenty in this country that would lead a person to believe, whether I consider it right or wrong, could lead a black person to believe that they needed white approval in order to gain access. And Kanye, I think is just a reflection and amplified to your point and amplified reflection of that sentiment. Do I think it's it's cool all the time?

I know, I sit back and I go chill, nigga, like come on, bro, like stop. But then on the other side, I go, yeah, but if he isn't sort of like raised in a system that teaches him all of these things. He doesn't come to that conclusion independently. He's not He's not a psychopath. He just as a person being trained in a funked up sort of like pyramid scheme. If you will do yeah, dig it I have. I have the same issue that everybody else has. I was taught to get a job. I was taught to

be a protector. Man. I was in the Army. As soon as I got out the Army, I didn't want to do that ship no more. I don't want to be a party ship no more. But I had family members who workers, and it's like, boy, you better get that job. And it was an easy job for me to get. I got it and realized how much fucked up this ship was. This was I started in jail nine nine four. I started jail in nineteen twenty four years old. And when I started there, they had just

signed the crime Bill. Now all these jobs are available, all these jobs are available. Who you think come to get these jobs? When we just got through being a recession and it changed everything in that jail. Like when I started, it was one way, and by the time I was there for two or three years. It was a whole gather different animal, right, And when you say a different animal, are you saying it changed for the

I have to some not the better. It had to have changed, But maybe it did change for the better. Maybe it did transition into something where y'all all felt like, well, at least people that look like us are now. I can't assume that it was exactly the opposite when it wasn't done and there were no white folks working there,

very few. Right, as soon as the money started, you always got to follow the dollars and capitalism baby, and and and then when the dollars stopped flowing in a certain direction of capitalism, there will be a reason that they tell you they stopped, and there will be an actual fucking reason. And if you want to know what the truth is, just follow the money. That's all you ever got to do when dealing with America, an American

brand capitalism. That's fair. I guess one of the things that that and I want to ask one more question before we go to break. One of the things that you keep sort of pointing to is sort of the failures of capitalism, which agree with I think we've created a system where and It's one of the major sort of like intentional flaws is the wrong word because it's

very intentional and it's structuring. Is that in capitalism, somebody, for somebody to be as wealthy as you know, a a Jeff Basos gets a million, people have to be poor. That's just a fact of the system. It's there's no way around it, right. I guess One of the things that keeps popping in my head though, is Kanye couldn't be a more avid capitalist, right, Like that motherfucker loves capitalism. He would suck capitalisms titties if capitalism pulled him out

right in front of him. And I wonder what you do with that feeling in relation to what he's saying, Well, capitalism is the reality, m That's what it is. Capitalism is a reality. And for me, I I can't. It's hard for me to gauge what it's like to be where Kanye is because I'm not that I mean, not in that space. Right. Sure, so I could explain it to you better had I been in the space. But again, the bottom line is still the same, right, The bottom

line is still the disease that is capitalism. But I did even in that if that's the reality, if that's what we gotta be at, then let's get from where we are to where we want to be. And so that's what I see in Kanye, like, well, if this is the game, I'm gonna winning, and then I teach

and then I'll do whatever else. Right, So this isn't him so much uh shaming a bunch of people historically, but more being like, look, this is where we are, and if y'all don't do something about it, we will continue to stay at the bottom of this really fucked up system instead of figuring out a way towards the top of it. Man, this we as a people attacked ice Cube. I'm not saying that didn't make a mistake. I'm not saying that, but the ice Cube niked before

you finished that sentence. I thought you were gonna say isis But nope, you went to ice Cube and I'm excited. Keep telling me more. I just all right, come back. We're gonna get mad at that. Nia. We can do better than that. Find Out what the naked talking about. Go find out what he's what he's doing, find out what's going on with the brother, find out why he did it. Don't just attack, find out why he did it, because you know we're on the same bullshit. We knowlls.

So just because their position is higher than yours don't mean that the bullshit ain't thick. You just want to as you're dealing with the ship and you closer to the bastards who create right. So when ice Cube asked are we there yet? We need not parce out why he's asking that question. We need to ask where the there is? I hear you. I'm seeing what you're putting down. Baby, I get it. The dude is brilliant. I'm just the funny comes out of his boards. Ladies said, hey, we're

gonna take a break. We'll be back with more rob Ryans more. My mama told me, and we are back great, Yeah, we're back here. We're more Robert Hines more. My mom had told me. We're still talking about the possibility that Kanye wasn't completely out of his gourd when he said that slavery was a choice, that there there possibly was a level of truth to it that we unreasonably attacked when we uh when we called him a fool and told him that his clothes look like homeless people closed,

that's where we're at in the convo. I'm excited. I I want to get into this research because I think there's a fair amount of of complicated ship that's sort of I unpacked at least in my findings as as I thought about this subject. But one of the things that I think will help ground the research is to remind people that the original quote that came from Kanye actually came from an interview he did at TMC headquarters.

Who was talking to that Harvey and Harvey Levin ain't got his name, The little wormy guy who who drinks out the juice box all the time. He was steroid up every day. Yeah, he's that's that's very true. He's like a weird buff, you know what I mean, where it's like, it's not a buff anybody aspires to. It's just sort of like small and mustlie. I don't like it at all. Yeah, I gave an effort. That's okay.

So the original quote that Kanye says is when you hear about slavery for four hundred years, for four hundred years, that sounds like a choice. You were there for four hundred years and it's all of y'all. It's like we're mentally imprisoned, mentally imprisoned being I think a key thing that's sort of got cut off in the original sort

of quote. Now, I don't like the quote, I'll be real with you, not a fan of the quote, but I do think the the at least the slightly longer version of the quote, does give some context to what he was intending to go for and his initial conversation exactly exactly I I mean, the quote is still a

garbage quote. I mean, even like you shouldn't build a sentence around the concept of having a choice to go through this type of health versus what you know what I mean, like that shouldn't be the the that should never be the underturne of the thought. But at the same time, we all are victims of the same ship, and we all have it, and we show scars differently. That's why I'm getting to be one of them old dudes.

And and it happens to you all of a sudden, Brother, You're gonna look back like God, damn, you should have fasts right. And what you find is that when you truly love yourself, you look past your personal flaws, you look past the people around you, personal flaws and when I heard like, dudes, I'm saying, I wish your brother would put a fans though. But just the dang pulled up don't mean I can't talk to you. You know

what I'm saying. You need to know that you love no matter what, and maybe if I show you enough love and show you enough example, then you'll pull him up on your damn my hown. You see what I'm saying, Stop dealing them, deal with the cold. I like that, I do think you know. That was the We've talked

about it a little bit on this podcast. But the famous sort of like Cosby the the speech he gave where he liked shame black people for having too many kids and not pulling up their pants and all the ship that he said with Spanish fly in his pockets was was more you like he had to have a full pocket filled with Spanish fly. I was like, pull your girl right. I got a lot of money and a lot of pills. Fucking sick. Oh. But that said, he isn't, in any way, to your point, talking to

the humans that need to hear it. He's talking to the people who have already decided they're above the position of those people, and it's like, oh, if he could take a minute to figure out how to actually just talk to people, then maybe they're just gonna be like, yo, you know who are rock with so hard? Bill Cosby, And I like him so much. I'm gonna pull my pants up to my belly button the same way he does, because that's the example I want to live by. And

I don't have to have someone tell me that. I can just see it in my own world. If you want to fix the problem, then go to the root cause of it. Stop and and and again we again, we can't look at it through in any other lands. I'm gonna judge you because Okay, first of all, when you don't have freedom, when you don't have true freedom, you can't act any kind of way. You gotta act a certain type of way when you don't have freedom, right. And then what I'm seeing from these young folks, man,

I'm doing all around the country right now. I mean it's even during COVID. I'm I'm just starting to get get out here amongst people. And what I'm seeing is young black folks is making a little network of their own selves together and getting money together. And so rather than you old dudes who are still working for somebody and struggling. Look at these little brothers and figure out what they do and listen to him. Man, we are there is an entire commerce on on the Internet that

black people need to be more involved in. And I'm talking about black volks of my age, and I'm saying like, and the only way you're gonna find out this if you listen to your children and stop hating yourself and start loving yourself, and watch how the rhythm of everything will change. I love that. And I love the the extra uh little ump you put right on the end of that sentence. It was beautiful. I felt like I was in church on the Sunday. It was I love that.

One of the things that immediately jumps out when you look up the Kanye says slavery is a choice thing is that there are a ship ton of Reddit threats that actually pop up of people justifying his statement. It's that there are a lot of people who say it's crazy, but there are a lot of people were like, y'all

just don't get it. And one of the rudded threads that really jumped out to me that this kind of goes back to what you were saying in the beginning is that many people were making the argument in support of Kanye, saying that slavery was technically a choice because they could have just killed themselves right right, right right, where's the choice in that? Like, I know what I'm facing is some ship I don't know, but I also don't know that I know. Everybody ever did this ain't

never come back. Now, there's two ways to think about dying. You can decide like everything else is a plus in a negative. The one thing you can say, and I'm gonna saying this with great confidence, nobody ever left and came back. Every time people like I'm good, I ain't enough of that ship. I'm over here where I am now, Yeah, you dig I ain't said I want to die. I'm not gonna be as scared as anybody else and be like, funk,

let's see what happens next. So you're saying and correct me if I'm wrongs, and you're saying in that same position, you might have been one of these people who was like, fuck it, I'm out, rather than seeing this to the end. Absolutely if it, if it felt like a logical choice, maybe maybe that would be you know what I mean, like, but to me, I'm thinking, Okay, if I'm gonna die or if I'm gonna go, well, I'm going let's see what's gonna happen when I go and go. I know

these mothers ain't gonna be nice to me. They've proven that already. Sure they beat my they beat my knees pretty good. I can't imagine they're about to be real cool once we get off this boat. Not at all, Not at all. And I got people around me that I want to take care of. I ain't gonna let it. I ain't gonna leave the area. I ain't gonna, I feel to leave these people with these people like this, not those of them. Ye know, well that I guess that.

That's what I struggled with, especially in that response of like, well, you could have just killed yourself that technically it is also a choice. Is that it presumes this individual relationship with slavery that wasn't actually the case. Yes, individuals could have killed themselves, but that doesn't change the system. And like, unless you're getting literally hundreds of millions of black people to basically do a collective suicide, you're not solving a problem.

You're just asking a bunch of individuals to opt out, and it feels like it has sort of the same selfish nature of the capitalism we were talking about earlier. It's like, oh, well I got out, so you could have too. And it's like, I don't know, bro, I don't know if that's how that works. And dig this. So let's say the first boatload and Nis just jumped off and saying fuck it, you know, because one of the most brilliant comedians of our time is Eddie Murphy

and he kind of laid it out already, right. I'm sure the first thing was like fun this, Yeah, I got that whoop on the ass. But I'm saying, like, what if they've just stopped and everybody just jumped off the boat, and what do you think they're gonna do? The win ain't stopped. They're gonna turn theirs around and go back and get some mold. So what are you actually solved? Right? This isn't a solution for all. This

is a solution for self. And maybe that's what makes all of Kanye's statements complicated for me, at least personally, is that it very much feels like a person talking for self and not necessarily a person talking for a greater good or a a even if that is in his mind, the intention, it certainly isn't. What is uh

what is being said out loud? Absolutely, people who say ship like that have never given thought to an actual viable solution, and and and and what the problem is with that is because a lot of times the actual viable solution could seem unattainable. But it's only unattainable if you allow that to be the thought you did. Like like like when I say to you, a man, I know um and and this is me being honest in

my very core. I know that these people have told up everything we ever built, But that don't mean we stopped building. So let's build this. Let's let's make our own particular portion of capitalism that feeds us. Because every other part of this society is divided up by ethnic group. What do black people control. We don't really control nothing but your opportunity to get rich. You did what I'm saying, that's what we control. We're not getting rich like we

supposed to. So what I'm saying, like, if you're giving that energy and giving that thought process, let's build again the one thing we got that we ain't never had before. Is the goddamn Internet. So let's use this like we supposed to use it. Find these young people who know how to use it. My little cousin makes soap. I'm about to start selling her soap. You understand what I'm saying. I'm gonna start selling her. Her daughter makes cakes. I'm

gonna start selling her cakes. I'm saying, get in my mbox, tell me what you sail. Give me a minute, I'm gonna get back to you. Let's fix capitalism for us, right that. In essence, your your goal is to apply the logic that Kanye is is saying, but remove some of the a selfishness that lives in the way that he's saying it or presenting it to Is that a viable solution? Do this or that? That is really not

a viable solution. And that's what I'm saying to you is Yes, exactly what you're saying, is what I'm saying, Here's a solution that I found that is very attainable, and we don't have to worry about it working because it's worked every other time. They never they just not the first slavery they had. You know what I'm saying, they would have found other people and it didn't work out. The only people worked out with is you. You are your only solution. So start working with each other. Stop

hating that little boy and listen to him. Everybody has we all. Let me just make this one quick point. You can play a little music whatever, because this is the point. This is Oh wait a minute, you want to talk that talk something. Okay, let's do it. We'll talk some talk. All right, I'm about to give you thirty seconds, Robert go crazy, talk that talk. Racism is

not just about color, but it's about generations. And what I'm telling you is stop generationally hating yourself and but also pick the ship that works and use it again. We know we can build communities amongst ourselves. But what is the difference. Where is the power? The power is that when people know some ship is fucked up, ship starts to function differently. And I'm saying we got that, we got the entire internet. Build us some ship from this internet, and when they come to tear down, show

it on the internet again and be prepared to protect. Hey, there it is. We're talking talk, baby, We're talking talk. Hold on, that's cool, motherfucking bush we're we're talking to some thought. Here you go, all right, let's let's keep digging into some of this research, because I think you're making a bunch of pretty valid points. One of the things that I thought was helpful, at least in considering this conversation is the question of actual choices in regards

to slavery. Right, not this theoretical thing of us being int one arguing with a bunch of people who were living in eighteen whatever or sixteen whatever, but literally what choices did they actually have? And one of the things that I think the best starting place is to remind people that the emancipatory and Proclamation goes into effect January one, eighteen sixty three, but it isn't until June nineteenth. That's

why we have juneteenth, eighteen sixty five. That many black people in the Southern States actually learn of their freedom. The word doesn't get down to them because the Internet doesn't exist, and motherfuckers ain't excited to make a phone call and be like, hey, let your slaves go, right. So because of that, a bunch of people do stay in servitude for almost for more than two years, basically unbeknownst to them that they were in fact technically freed.

But some could argue, if I'm going to be be the worst version of Devil's advocate in this situation, some could argue that they are remaining in servitude I guess voluntarily at that point, even though technically they still get their ass whooped and uh feet cut off if they made any attempt to leave. That's that well, there's that's there's that part. But let's just say this, Okay, let's look at how they treat each other. Just look look at how Europe is treated in gym. There was a

world war and they had a whole plan. We're gonna build all this ship back. We're gonna make sure people got infrastructure, We're gonna make sure people got ways of eating. We're gonna make it. And they tried that ship in America for a short while. See that's the thing. People don't. They tell you historic terms, but they really don't tell you what they need. Right, So, dur our reconstruction, the ship was working. You think what I'm saying was getting businesses,

Things were happening. You cannot expect to let these people who have only known one way of living just all of a sudden turnament loose and think it's gonna be all right. Sure, you know everybody has support here. If they had colleges that supported people here. When they started America,

they organized for everybody and organized against us. Every system in America, the government, every system that the government asked and you can tell me where I'm wrong, tell me where I'm wrong, has somehow found its way to work against you. No, I think I think there's there's something really honest in that. And additionally, what I'll say is that it reminds me of the fact that there were plenty of black people who fought on the side of the Confederacy in the Civil War much in the way

that you're describing. It's not because they are like yo, I just love slavery as much as they are like, this is the system I was raised in, that I was brought into. This is all I know. So the idea of fighting against it and being brought into something worse or or even worse, not even having all the information to know what the better could be is essentially

what they're fighting for. They're they're fighting in fear of their own lives, but then also the lives that may come as a result of you know, the freedom quote unquote on the other side. Absolutely, dude. That's the other thing. That's the other thing about this generational divide. We also

divide ourselves via education. Now I can't do everything, but I got a community of motherfucker's around me who can, right, And so rather than like talk down about people who are educated, because some of us getting into the habit of starting to do that, like no one ship is bad. You know here, stupid motherfucker in love yourself. Look at the like, damn you do this one dude. I'll listen to some of your podcasts I do and I and when you get to this point, I'd be like so

proud of, like, damn that they get educated. Look at him, like, dude, nobody understand. People truly do not understand. The level to which you could co switch denotes a lot of where you get in society. Yeah, what I'm saying, and I'm listening to you, I'm like, yeah, then again it's talking that talk. Hey man, I grew up in the suburbs. Maybe this is this is something noise comes out, you know what I mean. I can't I can't fix it much, but you know, I don't see any flaws in it.

Let's see any flows in That's what it is, exists, how we exist, baby. I like that. One of the things that that also sort of came in some of this research was I saw this this article from this dude, Douglas, a black men, who is not black at all. He is very, very white. But Douglas, a Black men, wrote this article that basically says that despite black people technically being made free after slavery, slavery did continue for another

eighty years and what he's calling the age of neo slavery. Now, this neo slavery is basically when Southern lawmakers started to figure out new strategies for arresting black people that would

make up new laws, completely brand new laws. Uh. In the article, he talks about one dude who got arrested for quote unquote vagrancy because he didn't have official proof that he was employed, and by not having proof that he was employed, he was arrested, he was taking to jail, he was kept in that jail, and when he couldn't pay the fines to get out of that jail, he was then sold to a private company, a coal mining company, and then that coal mining company allowed him to quote

unquote work off his wages, but in working off his wages, they basically tied him to the inside of a coal mine and made him basically lived down there for the whole of his life while he like worked for twelve dollars a month, which wasn't enough to ever like earn his freedom. So he was a slave. He just was a slave through the prison complex and not traditional slavery. What does that sound like to you? Honestly, what does that sound like to you? It sounds like an American job.

You work someplace and you get just enough money to feed yourself and the people around you, just enough wanting to get you a certain degree of okay with the situation, but never enough to really pass something down to the next one of you, never enough to truly be independent of the system. Right, And what is that? What is that? When you hear people saying they got retirement, Yes, you have retired, you have that, But what do your kids have once you've gone? Not enough, it's yours. It's overish.

Yes you are taking care of but nobody else is under you is and you may have some ship to leave to him. But I'm saying overall I'll tell you what, if one of these roth tiles and somebody like that with them type names die, They're not worried about how their grandkids gonna bury. M hmm. That is what I'm talking about. That. So, where is it any difference in

slavery and right? I think I think it goes back to our initial conversation about like the way that wealth is distributed in this country and control in this kind untreat that like truly we for the most part, so many Americans exist in a way that if something bad happens,

it can be detrimental to their entire existence. Whereas you want to find yourself in a way that God forbid someone in your life does pass, or like something bad does happen, you can bounce back from that motherfucker rather than being trapped at the bottom of a fucking coal mine with your leg tied up being told that this is the only way you can work towards freedom. And the one other thing I want to point out real quick, real quick, because this is very important and I'm glad

you mentioned it. This was the law. This is the government telling you. And when again look at every metric, every guy, every law is always the same people. Law can't be just if the enforcement of it isn't just. And I know because I did it. I know because I did it. Yeah, you know why I took the job is because in my family and I was doing really well when I started. I'm a stand up comedian by trade. When I started doing stand up, I was

doing really well in the city of Chicago. Not only was I doing well in the city Chicago, I was doing well in my neighborhood. I got a hood past nigga I was not them. Niggas would call me Hollywood. I would come home hanging out with Burnie back two or three in the morning, and mother's be like, oh, look at Hollywood, he just come back. What happened? What happened? Night comes? So how can I not love these people?

You see what I'm saying. They gave me a hood pass As much hell as the hood gave me, it also gave me a whole lot of motherfucker's strength, right and so and and back then, I was doing really well. And my parents, I work or bees. You can't tell them a job ain't the best thing. You can't tell my family. My family is working classy from Mississippi. If you want to take care of kids, you got to go punch a clock. All this imagination ship is for them, it ain't for you. And that is the lesson that

I was taught. So I took the job, not even in my pain, even if dude, it's stories that I could tell you based on who I am that changed me in that jail for the better and for the worst, right, And I think I think you touched on something that I think is really sort of important in this conversation of you can be both somebody who loves your people and represents your people and fights for your people, while simultaneously being a part of a system that doesn't work

in favor of your people and doing things sometimes that don't service the people that you you care about or wish you could do better for. And so that much in the way of the Kanye language, is sort of what we're always battling against. This. If I spend my entire life dedicated to my people, I could end up like Malcolm X, which is getting shot and while I'm at my most broke, you know what I mean, Like it truly could be me going out of out of this earth with no money and a bunch of bullets

in my chest. And that's a it's a complicated dance that we're being put in, and you got to figure it out for you own individual self and in my individual self based on the strengths and the weaknesses that I have. My idea is to sell your ship. And I know I keep saying, I know, I keep going back to it, baby, But that's the nobody. That's the nature of Toby Jones, that's the nature of Chicago. That's

the nature of who we are at Chicago. Wins. Is this the situation, then let me get some money at you. You did what I'm saying. Let's get this money from them and keep circulating it amongst us and keep you with that. There's gonna be some some commercials you're gonna see me do. Probably that you're like, well, don't need to do that commercial. Well, I'm telling you now, so I can have the money to keep doing your ship because they care me. First, Let's keep it flowing, baby,

Let's let's keep the money going. And if I gotta do some commercials, I'll do it. Yeah, hell yeah, I'm doing a commercial right now for for a juice bar on eighty seven in Winchester. It's called Easy Living Juice Bar. And I went in there and I saw it was black owned. I went in there and I had some food and while I was standing at the brother up sold me some ship and I tasted and I was like, God, damn, this as good as hell. And then I got in my car and I sat down and I was like,

here go what it starts. And I went back in there and I did a commercial would and and the people, uh Hannibal Birth supports me so very much, and we got through I solo man media. Um. We got the first part of it done, and I had the next part when I get back to Chicago, because I want to actually get you the opportunity to know these people

who are in your community. I like that I the last little I want to get to this last little bit of bit of research because I think it is a worthy sort of like out for us in terms of this conversation. But one of the things that I discovered in some of this that I didn't know before is that some people argue that one of the first people to actually technically own a slave in America was a black man. That in North America, the first slave

owner was a black man. And you know, we've heard for years that black people sold other black people into slavery. There's a level of truth to that, although they completely ignore how much of that was curated by white people,

sort of like taking advantage of what already existed. It's a longer conversation, but there was this dude, basically his name was Anthony Joshua, who was a an indentured servant himself in America, got his his freedom after indentured servitude, and then found a different indentured servant, John Casser, who he basically sued to get full rights of this dude that like, for whatever reason, he was like this motherfucker,

I gotta own him forever. And then the state allowed him to keep this dude, John Casser, forever, and then he became the first technical slave owner in America. And this is one of the things I think that people point to when they go it's a choice, because that nigga volunteered to be a slave owner and that other one allowed it to happen. I see two really fucked up tracks. Again, it's always the same ship. So what are we doing now we're talking about this dude? Why?

Because they let him the first one, right, there's a reason for that. They didn't just let anybody be the first one. Everything they do is strategic. So let's just say that part. And then the other part that is truly fucked up is that you don't know this man's experiences. But what I'm hearing is Christianity. I'm sorry, I'm gonna say that's how they justify put you in slavery. It's Christianity. So he lived his best Christian life as a slave. He feels like, Okay, now that love has blessed me

to own another motherfuck. Yeah, that's incredibly funked up. But again, all of our problems they got us surrounded, baby, they got us surrounded culturally, they got us surrounded financially. And so all I'm saying is, let's just find a way to find an oasis for just us. Yeah. I love that, and I do. The Christianity really hits home for me because I do think that even if you look at the principles of Christianity, it both tells you that like you can own a person depending on how you read

the text. And I want to be careful when we say this because I don't think that every interpretation of the Bible tells you, like slaveries, tight, go ahead and get you a slave. But there are interpretations of the Bible that do allow you to do that, but even more effective in their writing, they go, if you are a slave, don't kill nobody. That would be wrong to fight did you can't murder nobody. It's like na nig if I'm a slave, that that eighth commandment. I don't

know which one it is. That eighth commandment is out the wind. I'm killing them of all authorities given to you by God or Christian. And you can tell me what you want to tell me. But I know there is parts of the Bible that tells you in law and in Christian, Biblical, the vitical, whatever the funk law that tells you how to treat your slaves. So how is it that it ain't it ain't sanctioned by it. If they tell you how, if they gave you a handbook of how to treat them, yeah, don't make any sense.

And it is very strategic. It is a system that they put the place, and it's a hundred percent of system that we will forever be fighting against because of the the powers that be that control it fun your head started that you can't get around you just get God damn. Well, this is a sad ending to this break, but this is how we're going out. I don't know. We'll be back with more Robert Hies and more, my mama told me, And we are bad people who were

enslavery wished that they have curbside service at Applebe's. Yeah, we're back here with more Robbert Hies more, my mama told me. We're still talking about the possibility that slavery was in fact a choice, that Kanye had it all right. And I don't know that I feel good even saying that, because there's gonna be one of you that pulls that does a quote that somehow slices, splices this up and makes this Lakes and Kerman going, Kanye got it right.

Slavery was a choice, And I don't think that's what we landed on, but we got We got a good conversation out of it, for sure, and that ship will be on Fox News. God damn. And if that's how I end up on Fox News, boy, oh boys, is that not how I planned it. I thought I'd be on their being mean to somebody, not not making Laura Ingram seem reasonable. You know what I mean? Even in that baby, we still got the power to again you you to do it, doesn't matter what they do. You

got no shields around you. We gotta We got the equipment, I think is the way you've put it. We've got the equipment to fight. If we learned how to to use that equipment. Absolutely, let's jump into this game. We have a fun game plan for you. This is a brand new game specific to this episode. It's called what you Say? Kanye? Can you believe that? You believe? We don't have a jacuzzy? It's a brand new game that that uh that I I came up with in which I am going to introduce to you other sort of

jarring quotes from Kanye West. Things that and jarring is a weighted word exciting quotes from Kanye West that I would love for you to unpack and tell me what you think he was trying to say with the thing that he's saying. Sound good, Okay, let's go, I'm listening. I'm ready. Hell, yes, let's start easy. This is a nice soft, easy curve, you know, easy lob that I'm gonna throw your way. He said, I'm a pop enigma.

I live and breathe every element in life. I rock a bespoke suit and I go to Heralds for fried chicken. It's all these things at once because as a tastemaker, I find the best of everything. Yeah, I think that's pretty self excellentory. I mean, like, dude, I'm y'all following the shift out of me. Everything I do, y'all making a big deal about it. And that's because I could do everything. I go have some chicken in the hood, although you probably have like a busload of security, but

I go ahead and checking in the hood. I understand the rhythm of that. And I also do this, that and the other, because everything I do is correct. Okay, So you when he says that, you're not thinking this sounds like a crazy person ranting about themselves. You're thinking, no, that's uh, that's a reasonable guy talking about his contributions. Many of us know what it's like to have that much money. Oh I do not. I'll go on records saying I don't at all, just like we know, just

like we know. If you you're giving people too much negativity on all four sides, what if somebody everything you ever said they agree with you. That's why you need homeboys who are who always be able to put you in the guardrails. That's why you need people around you you could trust to tell you, Like now, Nick, you took that a little too far. You see what I'm saying. That's where And so when you're a billionaire in capitalism, who's gonna tell you that you think you can buy

three or father Nick and tell you how great you are? Right? I got you? Okay. So this is less of us looking at it as Kanye specific and more of us spreading it out to everybody that we should all see ourselves with this sort of like exceptionalism of being all the things that once and not just being like Kanye's dope and only Kanye. That's yes, that's that's the whole thing from the beginning. And I feel particularly that way,

and I'm again I feel that way about substance. I remember when I started doing Connie, I used to hear brothers talk about how great women are on stage. I'll be like, man, y'all just trying to fuck. But these dudes was older than me. You did what I'm saying, These dudes is older than me. This this is older than me, and they had been around them for years. I had just started being a man and started liking

the ship that they do. At the lesser level, I hadn't been with a woman for twenty years and understand every bit of what you do, what you do and and and other women in your community. You've learned why they do what they do. You did what I'm saying, and it I see. It's perfection and the decisions that they make based on the decision that they have in front of them. So I got a specific kind of

love for black women. I'm saying, I don't give a ship what you look like when you wake up, you still look good to me because you look better than anything else out there that I could effort choose. Hell yeah, okay, let's do it different. Quote. Oh man, I'm getting love with it. Okay, here's a fun one. He says on one of them. I am God's vessel. But my greatest pain in life is that will never be able to see myself perform live. That's just amazingly funked up and funny.

But I see why again, man, Okay, being in a nightclub, having a bunch of people most of the nightclubs I work in about people can fit in it. Being in a nightclub that is sold out and you are the attraction gives you a whole different perspective on what your life work is because when you're on that stage, by God, you are the leader of the group. No matter how you see yourself, that's what you are. That's the reality.

And so think about what it would be like if you could feel soldier, feel right, I would like to see what you motherfuck' see, but in the live position of seeing Okay, so that all these people who are just uh who you know? You and I we we go and we do a night, we do a stand up spot, and we if I if I have a hundred and fifty people in there and it's packed to the brand, I'm like, damn, this was a great night. I'm on a level. I'm on a high that is

hard to replicate. Some nights, right that the next day when you ain't performing, you wish that you could go back to that feeling. You're saying that if you can fill an entire football stadium of people and get that level of high, there has to be a part of you that's like, God, damn, I would love to see this show and I never will exactly again, man is

a dude. It makes sense to me I'm saying, when I'm just saying, you're making him a much more reasonable man than I think, uh, than most people want him to be. Just said, like I see him as what this dude is brilliant. Like he may be weird, but everything has a cost. So what you're experiencing in the cost, it's his weirdness. All right, Let's let's get into one that I think, uh similarly launched a fair amount of controversy.

This came out of his presidential run of where he said basically had a I guess a conference he was holding some sort of it might have been his presidential announcement, but he basically said that Harriet Tubman never actually freed the slaves, she just had them work for other white people. Uh. I love a deep breath after after a Kanye quote. Go for it there. You got a lot of ship going on in that quote because there's some truth in it, but that truth discounts a lot of humanity that needs

to be acknowledged. Okay, So like when you know it's a lot of brothers out here, be like I ain't gonna vote voting. I refused to vote what I'm gonna get from. And honestly, they probably tell them the truth because every time we vote, every time you do, ship don't not never change. But I'm not fin a discount the energy of those people who have decided to fight on that front and not and not give them the

energy that I could give them. Right, So when you tell me Harriet Tubman didn't do whatever, now you're telling me that Harriet Tubman is energy and all her efforts didn't mean ship. And for me, I can't. I can't acknowledge that. You can't tell me that Stacy Abraham Abraham's ain't ain't one of the coldest motherfucker's on the planet. You can't convince me of that, even if I think she's fighting in the cause that I ain't interested to put my energy in. You see what I'm saying you

you cannot discount other people's experience. So at its core, the ship is super flawed. But honestly, if you leave slavery from that's the whole point of the Civil War. It was not about anything that's algiistic on that ship. They wasn't about freedom and none of that ship. It was about getting that nuclear bomb they're using down in the South. At one point, black people were worth more than every fucking bank in America. Slaves were more more

than because they needed that labor. We're about to go into some ship that they planned the Industrial Revolution. Now what you're gonna do? Who the best motherfucker's who've been working, who've been building ship? They entire goddamn life. I need some of that money. I need some of that labor. So let's set them free. It ain't never been about you. It's always been about them, sure, them and the money that they can sort of like pull from from this conversation. Okay,

I see what you're doing. So if nothing else, Kanye is being insightful but also cruel and shortsighted to the people in history that it least did their best to offer us some version of what and why does he do that? Here's why you do that because look a here around Yeah, oh he's around the devil, that's for certain. What else is he supposed to think? I'll hurt you with one more and then we're going to get out of here. My The last one that I think is

is a really fun one. To walk away from, especially giving all the things that we've talked about. He says, bad taste is vulgar, the world as a whole is fucking ugly, and the internet too. But I'm not in the construction business. I don't understand that first part bad vulgar because now you've given facts to opinion, so that don't really make sense to me and my logic. Um, So that ship, I, you know, I don't know what the fun you're talking about right there? The last part.

Can we hear that again? What's that last part? He says? The world as a whole is fucking ugly and the internet too, but I'm not in the construction business. That makes all sense in the world. Me. I'm serious, that makes all sense in the world. Me did all this ship is fucked up, But I can't save everybody you did. I'm a capitalist right now. I'm doing what capitalism calls me to do. I can make some more money if

you know what I mean? What what what is it that you expect the person that does what they do to do? He did. I say, like, this is not My fight is not civil rights. My fight is money. Okay, if that's what you are but then my my call back to that would be, what do you do with the money now you have? Sure? So yeah, it's still it's still kind of points back to a bit of selfishness. Now, I ain't telling nobody how to spend a money because

I ain't never had none. I don't know how I feel, So I don't know how I feel if i'd be sitting in the room, but I like to think that I would be like, Okay, how can I get this money to as many people as I can't get it to? Or how how can I get the money to make you money? What type of infrastructure I could build so

that we all could getting paid? And I'm telling man, that's what I love about Chicago, MD seen right now is that there has been an amazing amount of people being integrated into the scene that we're not welcome before. Right that that it's it truly is a community and not just a hierarchy of like people who are winning and people who are losing. Absolutely absolutely, I love that all right, Well, Robert, I think we did it. I think we we nailed it. I don't know this was fun.

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