Plan B Kill (with Tawny Newsome)

you get out of it? And you always got hair, so I love that so much, and just popping around a corner and be like, have been ready to be ready? Now you thought it was always some real like you know, behind the Dubno's pizza style like karate moves he was teaching me they were not real karate because then when I did go to a real karate class, tried to show them my quote foot self defense, they were like,

what is this? Gett of ship? It's like, you can't just buy the man's inner, die, Tony, that's not karate. That's just the thing your daddy said to dude. That's just street fighting from the sixth Days, Johnny chips in your racist money intern stuff. You can't tell me, Yeah, yeah,

there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we've died deep, deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and we work to finally find out Oprah's favorite flavor of orphan blood. Which orphan does she like to drink the most? Personally, I think she likes Icelandic orphan blood. That would be my guest. I know, I know you're gonna say, well, Oprah clearly hates the

black community. She would obviously drink the blood of small black children where she does. But the truth is Oprah wants something excited. She wants to taste that rare blood. And there's nothing rarer than a little Icelandic baby without a family. That's what Oprah's into. That's the rumor I'm spreading. Hey, it's me. It's your host, lenksne Kerry. As always, I don't know why I talked like this. It's a complicated algorithm that turned me into the person I am today.

But you know who's not a trash person, You know who doesn't talk like an insane person constantly. It's my guest today, She's fantastic. You know her from Space Force, you know her from Star Trek, Lower Decks, you know her from She basically has a monopoly on all black ladies space stuff. At this point, she's hilarious. You love her, you know her. Give it up for Tawny Newsom. Everybody. Yes, you're they're here. They adore you. How are you showed up?

I'm good, I'm good. That's I mean, that's the opposite of what I told you what I logged into the zoom off Mike, I think I said, And then I'm good. You turned it up for the audience you are like, yeah, you're a completely different person behind the scenes. You got a real ellen degenerous vibe about you at this point,

given the shift. If you but I flip it, I'm a monster for everything public facing and then in private amount kin sure, so shut the funk up, Shut the funk up, and watch me dance real mad to this music. Speaking of music, this theme song is perfect, perfect, Oh thank you so much. It was done by a hilarious comedian and very talented man. I always say he's the most talented person I know, this guy, Nick Chambers, who was a comedian out in New York Now and I

resent him very much for having so many gifts. He did the artwork for our show, he did the music for our show, and he has all the hatred that's bubbling in my heart for the skills it I don't have. Sure, but it's good to have someone like that in your corner rather than against you. Sure, exactly. He is like a member of the Expendables for me, you know what I mean, He's my Sylvester Stallone if you will, m hm, I've heard of that movie. It's a movie, it's it's

three movies, it's a it's a powerful franchise at this point. Wow, I have been asleep on that. I'm sorry. I didn't know what that was. And to be honest, you didn't come here to talk expendables. That's a different podcast. Would turn that down. I can't. I'm busy. I can't do it. I'm so sorry, just because I didn't know, not because I have anything against it. I don't know it. Sure, good for you for having that level of self control where you're like, I'm gonna step out of this one. Guys,

this isn't for me. I just signed up and been like, yeah, let's talk. I don't know I'll bet Yeah, I'm excited to get an excited feels like almost the wrong phrasing here, But I am eager to get into the conspiracy theory that you sent our way, because it I would say, it's a pretty heavy one. It's a sturdy conspiracy theory to be digging into. But you said, my mama told me breath control trials in Africa are being used for masterialization.

It is heavy. Hearing it out loud feels different than when you just type some stuff and go, hey, can we talk about this. Hearing it out loud, I'm like, birth control, child sterilization, Africa. These are big words, these

are big ideas. This is a deep ship we're talking about. Yeah, So this one walks the line of like, I don't know how much conspiracy theory it really is just or is it just like a little bit of extrapolation on facts, because the facts are that they did, you know, test drugs like depo provera with women my age might know, as like the birth control shot, which was available I

think in the nineties. I don't know they tested that on women in then called Rhodesia, I guess Zimbabwe in the seventies and the women were coerced into taking it, you know, they were asked to take it in exchange for things they needed like food and water, medical supplies and stuff. So it wasn't you know, the trials weren't on the up and up to say the least. And then there was also there was the other one nor plant.

They used to test that out on women, but you know, all these women had these massive side effects and a lot of women became sterile. And it's not that far of a job to be like hm hmm. So this is a whole continent where for centuries missionaries and well meaning whites have been going down there and being like, oh, the African people, such a vibrant people, you know, the whole monolith, the whole continent. What a vibrant people. But

if they could only control their population. They can't even feed these children, you know, and so there's we could just if we could just get these savages too, maybe produce a little less because they make they make such beautiful baskets, Just fewer children. Let's sneak some ship into their morning breakfast, you know, like it's not that far fetched. I have none. So this is a reckless theory. No, and and let's let's start right from where you started,

right from the beginning. I think. I think when I originally read your conspiracy theory, I was like, Okay, this is just true. This is just like and again my brain is filled with nonsense. So I immediately was like, fact, what are we doing? This is she doesn't know how conspiracy theories were, but I do think that to your point, it sort of is one of those things that is hedging both truth and conspiracy theory that like, the truth is that these trials are a hundred percent real. The

question is what was the intention behind these trials? Was it, in fact, for popular lation control or was it just like, oh, y'all were trying some stuff out and it went awry, right, You're just trying some ship out on people. You felt like we're expendable basically, which is sinister in and of itself, And that is definitely what happened. So even the truth is real, dark and fucked up, You're you're welcome for me picking this one. And the consiracy theory is like

fucking you know, villainous and sinister. Yeah, I mean, I just fully believe it. I feel like I don't even need This is one of those dangerous ones where I'm just like, I don't even need proof. I hear it. I'm like, yeah, that's what they're doing. They're trying to

kill us all. And that's the hard ones to sort of wrestle with, right is Like even if in some conversation with the person they were like, well, actually, this is the true thing behind what you're saying, or here's some facts you may not have considered, there's still a part of you that's like, no, my fucker, I know I You can try to trick me all you want into thinking that, Like white people had a more or ground in their approach to giving drugs to people who

didn't realize they were taking these kinds of drugs or this severe of a drug. But now you know what you were doing. You know what you're doing because this ship was like the seventies, Like, yes, it's been going on long before that, but this specific birth control ship, this is the seventies. You know where else you could have tested out your brand new fangled birth control drug, Boston, bitch, Like try it out in Massachusetts and see how women do?

You got this white ass state Maine filled with with twothless Hillbillies. You can test it on them. Shout out to Maine. My bad, I didn't realize that's where your fan base was located. Oh yeah, I get a lot of a lot of hits and streams from Maine. No, but truly, truly, if it's all innocent, there's people everywhere you could get white women from. You know, all kinds of places, you get all kinds of colors of women. You don't have to go to a whole last continent

that that has been tested on for centuries. I don't know, but this is the sort of thing that like makes me wary of trying out anything, Like, yeah, the COVID vaccine trot. No, no, I'm waiting like that. I'm gonna stop you right there. That's how they get you. I'm terrified. I'll be honest, I'm terrified of that vaccine. And not because I think to your point. I think I want to take it right, like I want to be free

of whatever this is. Boy, would I love to get back to doing stand up and being out in the world and like going to clubs and parties with my friends and ship. But at the same time, there is just too much history of manipulation with falsey drugs for me to feel confident that putting this needle in my body is just gonna be an a okay decision. Yea yeah. I mean, especially with those reports of them giving ship for free to all the hbc U s, It's like,

this is not for this is not free. Everyone be suspicious, be suspicious. Why are you get all these black college students again, Boston. There's a lot of calls Boston, right, you don't have to give it to the Harvard kids, get to the lesser colleges that you've got all these new masses around there that you could clearly give this drug to. Now, Leason, you keep taking what I'm saying, and you kissed that I'm gonna get in true. Listen, I think what Dawny is trying to say is give

it to the white pores. Wait wait, wait, wait wait now wait. She's being very clear and I'm not manipulating this at all. She is articulating herself perfectly. I am merely backing her up. I'm a pip, She's glad it's night. This is this is a clear conversation. Wait, were you really a pip? Oh? In the no I was for our listeners. We were in Sherman Showcase, a wonderful show on Hulu. Now I have seen Hulu and you play Diana Raw Yes, you were smoking right. I was Smokey Robinson,

that's right, perfect. And I was constantly wavering between making a full commitment to a smokey Robinson voice or just letting my regular voice be because you know, when you're doing a character, it's like, Okay, am I gonna be fully in the character and do like a Jay Pharaoh impression? Or am I just gonna like be funny by my you know, in my own voice as is. I think we were all like one foot in and out of

the full commitment on that. I will say I was truly stunned in the most impressed possible way with your Diana Ross impression. It felt, oh, thank you, I feel like the same thing as you. I was like doing the breathy voice and the whispy walk, and then every now and then I'd just be like, man, this, I was like, Oh, that's that's just me a little boy. Okay. Talk to me about where you first became aware of this conspiracy theory. When did this first come to your world?

If you will. So I was in college in Chicago and I didn't have any money and I didn't have any health insurance, and I needed to go for my yearly like pops mirror, and so I went to this

really cool clinic. I don't know if they're still in business, but they were called the Chicago Women's Health Center, and everybody on campus knew about them because you could go and they had like a sliding scale office visit, so you could show up and pay zero dollars, you could pay forty dollars whatever, and everyone, Yeah, it was a really cool resource. I used them a lot when I

didn't have insurance. They would sit there with you for an hour and talk to Every appointment was like an hour, I feel like, and they would talk to you about all your birth control options. They would talk to you about health stuff. They just like took away the stigma about talking about those things. So I went to them and I was looking for I wasn't even looking for birth control, but they were like, oh, well, if you're active, do you want to get on some? And I was

like sure, I've never really taken it before. And they were like, well, why don't you research some? And come back. So I did like super cursory search and came back, and I think I maybe I pitched you're doing one of the shots, like the Depa Privera or whatever it's later incarnations. You went in and you're like, give me the most dangerous one, please. Yeah, truly, because I think

and I might be mixing them up. It's been a long time since I've thought about these old school like birth control methods, but I think that was the one that you just took the shot like three or four times a year, and you didn't get a cycle, you didn't have a period. And so I was like, oh, I want that. I want my life to stop being sucked up once a month. And I'm trying to be a gymnast from now long. Let's do let's do that one exactly, just like get me on the high beam. Yeah.

But so this woman like straight up sat me down and was like, let me tell you the shady pass with this stuff, and like walked me through everything. And

I thought, I have never heard a healthcare provider. I'm sure they're great doctors who do that now, but I've never heard a healthcare provider straight up be like, okay, you don't want this drug, and it's for like social political, fucked up reasons as opposed to just like maybe try tricycle instead, it's better for your height and weight or whatever. Then I was like, oh, ship this and they're doing

it to black people. And then I think I just extrapolated from there or like went down a YouTube rabbit hole or something. I'm sure, right, I don't think I've ever had a medical professional do that either, Like, that's a pretty bold choice on their end to be like, yo, not only is this potentially dangerous to your body, but also think about all these people that they tested it on or the ways that this drug came to be. That's not a conversation that I think medical professionals are

are wanting to have. Certainly, even having, they're probably not supposed to do that. I mean, like I don't know how like pharma sales works and ship, but like I guess because they were like a hippie free clinic, they could do whatever they wanted. But I do love the idea that there's some dude from Big Farmer Lie waiting in her office after she talks to you, just like Diane, I heard what you said in there she's like, I can't help myself. I gotta tell them about it. What

did we talk about, Diane? Oh? Sorry, like that that guy hangs out in her office just waiting to scolder. He's like, you told him our big secret again, Diane. Yeah, he's not like a good sinister dude. He's just like a clumsy boss who's like, come on, you said you wouldn't tell. Now he's sweet. I think, yeah, he's a good Honestly, he's a good guy except for the fact that he works for a billion dollar murder corporation. Everything

else about him is he's solid. Dude. Okay, so you hear this, You go to this office, she breaks it all down for you, and obviously you say, okay, cool, I'm not gonna take that one. Do you then go back and like find yourself in like a YouTube uh rabbit hole where you're like discovering all this truth? Are you just like, Okay, that's information, and now I'm going

to go about my day. I'm struggling to remember because this was probably like two thousand four is a long time ago, but I think I probably heard enough to be like, oh, they tested on people and that's fucked up. I probably went one step further with the Google into like you know, hotel tree, the vent diagram of like conspiracy theories that also aligns with like white women kind of u c l A reproductive health hippie ladies can

sometimes get very very like a one circle. And yeah, there's there's probably a crossover between Dr Umar Johnson and goog somewhere there's like a vent diagram where they meet. You know, for sure there's all a little bit of like pseudo science, but it's because someone there's an oppressor, you know. So yeah, I think I went one are deep and saw you know, got to the point of like and they're doing this intentionally in order to sterilize

and control the population. And I just went, yeah, that's truth, and I just accepted it as truth as though that medical professional had told me that part when she definitely did not. I got you. That's where you were like, I got this doctor. Yeah, I'll take it from here. I got enough information to now make some much bigger conclusions from everything that you've said. Absolutely, and I'm sure I've passed it off on on a podcast or something,

just like it's accepted fact. Like I think the line for me got blurred long ago, and it's probably not until we decided to talk about this that I really thought about, like, wait, what's the part that I actually heard, And what's the part that I like read in comments on like a doctor. That doctor wasn't irresponsible at all. It was me. I was the monster in this whole story. Yeah, yes, I guess I did hand out flyers saying in fact, I did start my campus this anti birth control organization,

But otherwise I think I handled it pretty well. And see that is where it goes full hotep right is where it's like, then it becomes don't take any birth control because it's all here to sterilize you with all the white man trying to sterilize Black women just fully. Then goes away from like feminism and like body autonomy to have like men telling us not to take birth

control because of like made up race ship. Yeah. I don't know if you've ever heard this, but I certainly heard it for years, was that one of the counter arguments for Planned Parenthood that I always heard that was specifically from black people, was that Planned Parenthood was an organization spawned from eugenics, that this was like an organization built by a person who intentionally wanted to like sterilize

the black and brown communities. Yeah, have you gone into that whenever on the show or have you looked into that one? We have not, no, but I I I'm excited to dig into it if you got some thoughts on it. I don't have any real vetted thoughts. But what's interesting, I always heard that too, and now, as like a grown thinking person, my brain goes two ways, and I could have learned this with a simple Google. I'm sure I I did not do that, dear listener,

so sorry. It could be that someone who was a believer in eugenics, even a proponent of it, was there at the start of Planned Parenthood, and then the organization turned into what we know it as now, which is just healthcare for women and people who can't get pregnant.

But the other part of my brain goes, so, if this isn't true at all, if there was no one involved in eugenics, the point of this conspiracy theory, like the reason things like this gets seated now on Reddit in places like that, But back in the day, the reason why these things get floated around to the black community is to push the anti choice agenda. Is to push the idea that abortion is bad. You know, choice is bad because it's you know, spawned from planned parenthood,

which is trying to sterilize us. And we know that black people are a faith filled group of people in general. So the idea of pushing the anti choice agenda and that all ties back to I will never not say this. It all ties back to the fact that when people who can get pregnant have children that are unplanned at an early age or at an unplanned time in their life, they are significantly less likely to pursue higher education, pursue advanced careers, and they are way more likely to vote GOP.

So there's nothing about it that is, oh, we have to save a life to feed us. It's a life. It is strictly a way to funnel people out of education, out of the workforce, and into the cold, dead, stupid arms of the GOP. Yeah, I think to your point, there is so much of it that is just rooted and intentional manipulation. And so even if there was some person that was a part of the inception of planned parenthood that did have eugenics ideals, right, they're not involved anymore.

They're not like leading the charge for what Planned Parenthood represents, and so it's the it's no different than when the fucking like Republicans go. You know, a Lincoln was a Republican. It's like, yeah, my fucker, but y'all wouldn't rocking with the same politics. You just had the same title and that title change. You know. The Democrats were the ones that were in charge of slavery, and it's like, yeah, but they like a different kind of slavery now, lette

it's flavored different. Yeah, I totally agree. It's like even if that person was involved, and again I could have googled this, I didn't if it wasn't involved early on the net. Good that an organization like Planned Parenthood has done now far outweighs whoever fucking started it. And like, yeah, population control in that way has not been proven. I'm far more likely to believe this type of ship is more it's proven because it's not happening on our soil

right right that maybe they're testing. Oh we'll get into that, but I will say that to your point, it is a lot easier for them to get away with these things in spaces where we're less willing to check or even less willing to care then, like right in front of us. And you could argue that right in front of us, uh is super subjective because they don't give a funk about the neighborhoods that are like legit adjacent to the ones that they live in. But that's a

different layer of the conversation. I think to your ultimate point, the want is manipulation. It is completely to control and trick and take advantage of the groups of people that they're telling this somewhat false information too. Yeah, so I have you on my side, then you believe my conspiracy. Oh. First of all, let me be clear, I believe almost every conspiracy theory, and you are not special. I was

bought in before you even got into it. But but I will say you have done a phenomenal job of selling me in a reasonable way that makes me believe it for good reason and not just because I'm a defiant human being. Oh yes, I love that. I love when Yeah, I love when I can win over someone rooted in ridiculousness. Sure, I love it. I love when I get a cartoon character to agree with me. What

a dream. Let me ask you that this last question before we go to break when you've talked about the injection and specifically like getting this information from this medical professional, going back and saying I no longer plan to you know, get at least this version of birth control. Did that taint your relationship with birth control from that point forward where you then like weary of all birth control, where you like, no, just that one, I'm good, I'm on chill.

Oh no, you're right. It totally made my brain spiral and go, this is just the ship we noble about. This is just the ship they're telling us. And it made me go, all this ship is fucked up. They're trying to sterilize all of it. Like. It definitely made me paranoid, And I did end up using a couple of different types throughout my life, but like I would be lying if I said I didn't. Still, every time there's a new ad for some new birth control, I'm like,

where'd that come from? Where they test that? What's the secret behind that one? So I love that. I love the idea of you watching those commercials where it's some lady playing in the park because she ain't got a baby, she gets to be as she wants to be, and you're just like na there's some sinister ship going on here. Know what happened in Swazzi Land though, what they do in Land, I don't trust it. I guess we should be doing that for all drugs though, like fun drugs.

You know. Yeah, I think that's true. That should be the instinct in watching every single drug commercial. Too. Many of these commercials are literally just a list of horrifying things that will happen to your body. And we're just like, well, I don't know, I guess if it's gonna make me smile a little more than I smiled yesterday, take some diarrhe you know, I'll take a little diarrhea if it means I'm gonna smile while materios instead of be all

frowny and stuff. Oh god, just yeah, torso numbness. That doesn't seem so bad for me. I can't feel my my middle section, But god damn do I smile. You can wipe the feeling out of my body, but you can't wipe this smile off of my face. Thank you, drug Vera. All right, we're gonna take a break and we'll be back with more Tony news and more my mama told me, and we are that's supposed to meet

his meat with this ship. Bro, What the fuck? Hell yeah, we're back here with more tawny news to more my mama told me, we're still talking about the risk, the danger, the sinister work that birth control and the operators of birth control are doing in the background, potentially sterilizing entire

nations of people, entire continents of people. So besides Zim, was it Zimbabwe that you said was where they initially I can't remember if that was nor Plant or depor provera, but it was in the seventies and it was when it was called Rhodesia, and that's where they were like really coercing women to like, hey, try this new thing. Were there other nations where you were hearing that a similar thing was happening or was it just there? No?

But I do feel like any time I have a really close friend who works in reproductive health, and I feel like she's been in this field for a long time time, and so if I mentioned these things like in a stupid flippant way, she speaks about them in a casual, very knowledge filled way where she's just like, oh, yeah, I mean, well, of course, the thing that happened in Kenya, and I'm always kind of like, yeah, yeah, yeah, So

I pretend to know, but I don't actually know. But I do get a sense that there are multiple accounts of drug trials like this from a lot of different countries. There are. And this brings us, I think, in a in a very smooth, not at all set up way

to the research that I did. And I'm so glad that you mentioned Kenya, because Kenya is in fact one of the places where, at least in the research that I did, it seems that a very sinister effort was made on the part of not only like the government as it were, but like the World Health Organization and the United Nations seemed to like team up on some like super friendship to try to just basically test and ruin the lives of these Kenyan women. Oh ship. See

I define we did not know this. And I said, ken you like just taking a shot in the at the dart board of Africa, and little sister, you nailed it. You guys, you did it. It was the correct answer for either giraffes or birth control trials on women that

lead to sterilization. Those were your two options. So I'll run you through what I found in the early nineties, researchers figured out that basically, by mixing these two drugs, this human chronic gondo trope in I don't know words, with the tetanus shot, they created a permanent sterilization for women under the guise of like an effective tetanus vaccine. That like, they could fake a tetanus vaccine and then simultaneously sterilize a lady at the exact same time. And

so they took this vaccine. The United Nations and the World Health Organization teamed up and they took this vaccine to basically be carried out in Mexico, in the Philippines and Nicaraguan and then Peru. And so one of the things that was sort of an issue with this vaccine, even though it worked effectively to sterilize these women, it took five shots to do it, which is a big ask in a developing country to ask women to come back for five separate shots over the course of six months.

But they figured out a way to promote tetanus vaccines in the country to be like, you gotta get a tetanus vaccine. This is a big deal. Tetanus is everywhere, blah blah, blah everywhere. Yeah, look at on the metal, you can get cut. You got to come get this vaccine. And so they're promoting this and women are going to get it. And the only reason they got caught is because doctors, like local doctors much like the one that stepped in in your life, were like, Yo, the normal

tetanus vaccine only takes two to three shots. Why are y'all asking them to five shots for an otherwise similar vaccine? And so then the World Health Organization and United Nations like packed up their ship and we're like, uh, I don't know what happened by and just oh my god. So this is real. This is not even a conspiracy. This is a real These are facts. These are a

hundred percent facts. And so here's where it gets even crazier, because that's happening in the early to mid nineties, right, Peru is the last one that's now in the World Health Organization and United Nations team up again to do the exact same thing in Kenya. They go to Kenya to to basically replicate to bring it back like they

you know, they're bringing back the fresh Prince. They're bringing back this tetanus trial and and they go to Kenya to try it out again, and the only reason again they get caught is because a bunch of Kenyan officials are like, no, there's history, which' all you look, we're all for like helping our people and getting the vaccinated and healthy and blah blah blah. But whatever you're doing, it ain't sitting right with us. And they they get exposed.

This is why, this is why it's a slippery slope to becoming an anti vaxer, because it's just one more click over to wild thought land to be like, well you can't trust any vaccine. Then they're all trying to do something to farious, right, Like how do you maintain a sensible brain when nefarious ship like this is going on? Sure? And so here's where it's gonna make you even more of an anti vaxer if you weren't already. Again, I'm not an anti baxor are going to kill my career, Tonny.

Everything you said has been cleared. You're opposed to vaccines. McCarty is your favorite actress. Everything you said, my publicist is calling me right now. Are you live streaming this? Okay, So it's not so much next, but it's actually more of the history of this type of sterilization in America, that like, this is not the foreign sort of like dangerous thing for other countries that we've been sort of like framing it as it's one something that has been

happening in America and continues to happen in America. Beginning in nineteen o nine and continuing through the nineteen seventies, the US developed a number of something basically called a sexualization Acts, which lead to more than twenty thousand sterilizations in California alone, just California. These are actual laws being created. What what's the end game was? It? Was it racially motivated? Were they trying to control certain aspects of the population

or just population control in general. It absolutely was a form of population control, and I think what you're asking as an imp and one, but it was rooted in sort of like getting rid of what they basically considered traits that were not ideal in human human beings, so like it's a form of eugenics. But it was like basically saying, this type of person tends to be more violent, or less hard working, or less less of an asset to the human experience, and therefore we will control their

population and not allow them to have more children. And got it. Obviously who they picked was more often than not black and brown people. Sure, because they're like, okay, so we just want a collection of really great traits for the human race. So let's not have any like, um, what is it like wide noses or like, you know, like full lips, like kinky hair is definitely not going to take us to victory as a human race. Okay, what is that? Like? Just bandlicking different words? I'm not

I don't want to pick a race. I don't want to pick a race. That's not my style. It's not about certain things I like in, certain things that I think are just more important than more hirable, you know, Like I just think that very fair, just very burnable skin, just skin that can't even hear about the sun, I

think is the most professional. So what makes it even more fascinating is that in nineteen seven, one of the reasons that this became like a big deal is that in this Lady Carry Buck, who's this poor white lady in Virginia is sterilized under a new law that the Virginia government approves. The reason they sterilized Carry is that Carrie's mother had been involuntary institutionalized for being what they

called basically promiscuous and crazy. Like they were basically calling her like a loose nutcase um and carry was assumed to have inherited those exact same traits and was sterilized after giving birth. That they were like, your mom was wild. We can't rise it, and so you being wild, We're gonna cut that off. Oh my god, we're passing a law called an end to the crazy fast bitches. Uh you fast. You can't have children anymore. Old on now, I'm titties out and you're talking a little while. We

might have to sterilize you. We might have to put you down. Every uncle in that state voted for this, of course, just every uncle. And you know there's something, there's something sick in them. Where it was not only did they want to sterilize them to keep them from reproducing, but it also was like, also, I'm trying to fun and not have any repercussions. I'm trying to I'm trying to bust the nut and and not have any risks on the other end of like being punished by having

some baby with a crazy lady. And we were worried this topic would be too dark. But we're doing great, We're doing We're killing it. I'm so proud of us. Let's see how long we can maintain this, because they kids getting darker now. In this same period, between the nineteen twenties and the nineteen seventies, this Supreme Court case, the one with Carrie buck Lad because she loses the case, right, she basically like complains that, hey, this is fucked up.

I should have never been sterilized, and takes it all the way to the Supreme Court and loses. And then that case basically like solidifies this law into place and leads to the sterilization of sixty five thousand Americans with mental health illnesses and developmental disabilities from the nineteen twenties

to the nineteen seventies. I can't even process that. Sixty five thousand people all because this lady's mom had a hard time and she had a baby who wasn't having a hard time, who was fine, who was fine, And they thought that ship was genetic. They thought, like, what was surely just the pressures and stressors of the time of being a woman in the time and being poor that made her run her mouth probably Yeah, they thought that that ship was genetic. Oh my god, I would

have been murdered. I couldn't be from the past. If I live, I couldn't be from the past. Is maybe my favorite quote anybody's ever said out loud, Hey dog, I couldn't be from the past. They would murder, murder me, like real murder. Oh man. This is where it gets even crazier is that there's also something called Mississippi appendectomies. Have you heard of a Mississippi appendectomy? No, of course

it is not, Although it does sound delicious. It sounds like it's gonna hit you in as spotty that none of us know where it is in your body and

like get your real fucked up. But a Mississippi app index to me, and we've talked about this once before in the podcast, but the Mississippi app indect me was a name for an unnecessary hysterectomy performed on black women, specifically at teaching hospitals in the South that like, basically they were teaching medical students how to like do stuff as medical professionals, and in the process also taking women's uteruses out. Jesus did I know the answer to this?

But did the women know the women? Of course, of course, I don't know why I asked that. I just needed I needed to ask it, and I don't know why. I love the idea though, that they sat her down and like, miss Johnson, I know you came in here to get your tonsils out, but we've got some other exciting opportunities that we're laying out for you. Is it optional? No, it is not. Miss uh. We're gonna take that uterus, but you should know before we do it. Jesus. I mean, well,

I don't know why. I'm shocked. I mean, it's happening now. The story about the ice detention centers where they're direct me is happening. And I think because I was already bought into the now not so conspiracies out of this conspiracy theory. You know, it's obviously so upsetting and horrifying, but I absolutely was not shocked to read it. Yes, it's one of those things where it's like, all right,

I'm not surprised, but damn, this hurts my heart. To your point, it's like a tragic thing because we want to believe that, like, Okay, we worked through this ship. We got to a point where like at least as a civilization. We're not just going to steal women's uteruses in their sleep. If we're gonna mistreat people, will do it when they're awake and they're at least like aware of what's happening to them. But you know, it's quite the opposite. It's like very sinister, intentional shit that's been

happening for hundreds of years. That's fucking wild. Yeah, it's wild. The way that we treat people who we don't think are hours like as a country, and that includes immigrants and people who aren't citizens, but also just like black and brown people, like it is wild. The fucking hoops and hoop law and nonsense. You know, the right will jump through to talk about unborn lives and protecting the

poor and bubble, and then it's just white people. Apparently we just care about white people, and that's never been Yes, it's not even kind of a conversation about like and in part of the reason that even this lady Carrie Buck is a person in history is because she was a white woman who had this bad thing that was happening nationally to so many other women, happened to her. If it was a black woman She doesn't even get

to go to the Supreme Court about this ship. She just takes the l and you don't get no babies, no more, no more babies, no more a part of your body. What a dark what a dark, terrible topic. I've chosen um was not to not be so ignorant about it, though, and to be like, oh no, this ship is really happening. Okay, I don't have a uterus, I never have, but I have to imagine getting it taken out. You're gonna hear a little hollow uh, like thong, you know what I mean, Like the dong when you

hit a door and it's hollow. You hear that. I've only ever had a tooth taken out. That's all that's been removed from my body forcibly. So I can't weigh in. I can't wait. So here's where it gets even darker, if you needed more darkness. It is estimated that twenty five to fifty percent of Native American women were sterilized between nineteen seventy and nineteen seventy six, six years. I feel like I did hear about this now, I feel like I've been hearing murmurs about this. But tell me

the details, because I obviously don't know. I don't think I know many details either, But I think it's just in the same way that you know smallpox was an

intentional murdering off of people. I think that there was an effective plan put in place two sterilized Native American women of us this nation, so much so that they got half of them, which would answer the question of why the population, amongst a plethora of other reasons, why the population of these Native American groups continues to shrink and disappear across our country, right along with like improper access to just basic health care, that's a massive problem.

Do you feel like, I'm sure you've talked about this on the pod before, but the whole adage of like just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. Do you feel like for black and brown people especially, there is often there's often no line, there's no clear line between which of these things are wild ass conspiracies and because of the wilder ship that has

been done to us and people like us. Yes, and I know I was being silly in the last segment, but I do think that that's part of the reason I'm so immediately bought in on so many conspiracy theories. Is not because I genuinely believe that, like there's a guy up in a scary tower who's twiddling his fingers and thinking about evil shipped to do to us. But I do think that so much of the way that our society is built is on sinister ship that people

thought was effective or efficient or whatever it was. And so now it can't be uncooked from the way that we treat people or the way that we interact with communities. Right, So, like, you don't get to steal away the ability to procreate for half of an entire species of people and then treat them like human beings. Right, you can't do that and then go back and be like, I We're good,

We're square. Yeah, Yeah, what did you learn? You effectively, you know, wipe them out, So there is no learning, which means you'll continue to mistreat them or continue to do something awful to them, be as what the funk

else are you gonna do? Yeah? And I mean, and now I'm sitting here spinning about why you know, I mean, in black culture, there's such a weight placed on like knowledge and keeping a sharp eye and like, you know, don't be caught slipping like, don't you know, not being caught off guard by tricks like this and by things like yes, okay, I'll tell you one more sad thing, and then well, well maybe you have a breath. We'll get to take a second away from all of this

heavy ship. And I should say before I tell you this final thing, I did not have nearly enough time to be able to dig into all of the examples of sterilization that have happened nationally, internationally, any of that stuff, but one of the final things. And I think it would be unfair to talk about sterilization without bringing up

Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico apparently is known and it's understood to be the most sterilized placed on this planet Earth that like Noor else has suffered from sterilization more than Puerto Rico. And between the nineteen thirties to the nineteen seventies, Puerto Rico had nearly one third of its female population sterilized. One third of the entire island was sterilized by I presume just a bunch of different governments than people coming

in and being like Nope, we don't like y'all. Y'all dumb it, saile y'all, ugly, we're gonna sterilize, Yeah, ugly. I wonder if it was drug trials again, or if it was just straight up, like no artifice at all, just like come in here to get sterilized and you

have no choice. I have to imagine that it was a combination of of all of the above that it's like this became much in the way that like New Mexico becomes the testing ground for our bombs, like this just becomes like the testing ground for all the things that we decide we want to do, both you know, in our own backyards and across other countries. It's like you've got this little island filled with brown people who nobody otherwise gives a funk about will do whatever we

want to them. God damn man. I've said before I couldn't be from the past. I don't think I can be from now. I'm having a hard time being from now. Listen, I don't want to be from the future, which is a complicated place to be in as a person who's gonna keep living, I have to keep living, but I don't want to be a part of none of this ship.

It's wild. We should both not exist these feelings. All right, We're gonna take a break, We're gonna plot how we end our lives, and we'll be back with more Johnny News and more, my mama told me. And we are backs, go back, and we're back. We're back here with more Tony News and more. My mama told me. I love the look on everyone's face when they realized that that's not the same song that they thought it was gonna be, and it turns into something else. I'm just trying to

follow it. Did a man fall down a deep well? I asked our wonderful producer Nick to blend the baby song from Justin Bieber that everybody loves with a clip from Intervention where a man basically has a full breakdown because his son admits to him that he feels like their relationship is permanently damaged. And that is the actual sounds of a fifty year old man crying out loud, mashed up with a fourteen year old man on the precipice of something great, ye classic, you know, showing his

dick to us a lot. It depends on how you want to look at Justin Bieber. He think I was aware of the new phase of the Beabes I did not know. Oh you didn't know. Be Yeah, this meanness is out a lot. Now he loves Jesus and having his penis out. But before there was a phase where he was just being outside and sending out dick picks. He had a wild, wild middle. I don't like either one of those, and I would encourage him to find

something in between the two that's fair. And if I ever get the chance to talk to him, I'll let him know that you don't care for it at all. Thank you so much. Okay, I would love to play a game. I have a fun game plan for us, and it's a game that I like to call white lies. Ugly. You're disgusting, I'm gonna kill you. Give me two white lies. This is a fun game where I am going to introduce to you a very standard, sort of widely accepted white conspiracy theory, one that that white people tend to

believe in. And what I would like for you to do is unpack why you think this conspiracy theory is so important to white people. What are these sneaky motherfucker's up to? Do? You know what I mean? The conspiracy theory that I'm going to present to you. And this one, similarly is a little heavy and a little rooted in truth. The conspiracy theory that exists right now, maybe you've heard

that Yellowstone is actually a giant supervolcano. Yellowstone Park, as we know it is, in fact a giant super volcano that if it were to explode, would wipe out all of like the United States and possibly all of North America. It's massive and it could go off at any moment. Have you heard that before? I have not. Why would they hide it being a super Okay, all right, okay, it is that part is not the the conspiracy theory

that is true. It is it has geysers, and like we we know that it has volcanic activity right, yes, exactly, and it hasn't exploded for a very very long time. But in theory, it could explode at any moment and

we would all perish. Now, here's where the conspiracy comes in is that some people believe that the government is fully aware of the exact day and time that this guyser, this giant volcano, whatever you want to call it, is going to blow, and they are intentionally planning, basically ways to protect themselves in this They being this sort of like royal day, if you will, and leaving the whole of America, the population to die in the ash that

is left behind. My question for you, why do you think it's so important for white people to believe that the government knows when this explosion is meant to happen? Okay, um, thank you, My time starts now, Thank you very much. UM. I think it's important for white people to know the exact day of when the volcano's gonna erupt because white people always want an exact time and date for everything.

You cannot put them on hold like a customer service call without saying like, we will get to you in three to six minutes, and if it's two minutes or eight minutes you are getting, there's going to be a nasty comment card filled out. So they want they want to predictable, because don't leave a white person waiting, even if it's for the end of the world, even if it's for the death of them and everyone they've ever met. They want to know exactly when, and they believe their

right to know. Whereas I mean, black people haven't been told ship ever. I mean as soon as the boats picked us up and they didn't tell us anything, and that's been a thing. Yeah, they weren't like, hey, we're gonna be there in uh sixteen days, ten minutes before we leave. No, we have never known the time. That's why we are never late. We are never late. Even if we're late, we're not late. No one told us. And that's tell us the time the first time we've

been recalibrating from the original time. You funked up on it. That's why Black people are late all the time, because when you didn't tell us when we were leaving the first time from Africa. So now we're just trying to catch back up from that original fucked up date and time. Thank you. We showed up to a country that was already started that we didn't know, so we showed up late. We were late to the very first America meeting. And then I'll try to act like we fucked up when

we didn't even know we were coming here. So you know what, White people always want to know when ship is happening because they believe that as their god given right because they started this country on their time and everything happens on their time. I love that. That's God Damn, that's beautiful. Cool motherfuck com I love that, you know why, because I think there's so much truth in that. I

think that there's so much evidence. Even now, we're in the middle of what I would argue is one of the scariest times that I've ever heard of, at least in terms of our like existence as a species on this planet. And white people are still gonna carrying their way through it. They're still going to shake their heads and complain to a manager about the apocalypse that, like, the apocalypse is happening, and you still are unsatisfied with the way that the apocalypse is happening and the timing

that it all falls into. Yep, exactly, because truly, like I mean, and this is this is serious, like before you know, I got to be on my little fer con esque soapbox, but like seriously like wanting to know when and how and where things happen. It's all just a means of season control. And I know this because I'm a very controlling person, and you and I are in a business where we have no control. This business constantly tests us and pulls us and yanks us around.

And when you are a controlling person, or let's say, when you are a controlling class of people. When you're a controlling demographic because you have been given all of the control for centuries on the whole as globe. When you are not, when you don't have control over when or how or where something is going to happen, this is deeply like anxiety producing. So of course white people want to know when the volcano is going to blow up,

like that's real. This may in fact comfort some of our white listeners is that it's not a shameful thing that that's your instinct because it is cooked into your experience as a white person on this planet. You have

only known control. Therefore, to not have it even in the face of what is completely unpredictable, you get frustrated, and so you want to create a narrative where there is a secret person or secret entity that has control over this thing, because otherwise you are trapped, like all of us, at the whim of a god or a you know, a fate, whatever you want to call it. Yeah, or just wild ass nature. That's terrifying because it's chaotic and yeah, it's science, but it's random. I mean, well,

welcome to it. Anyone, who I mean, you ever want to see see a real experiment is to look if you're in a supermarket and there's one long line for a cashier, look at the faces of the black people versus look at the white people, like truly, the white people will be shifting, are uncomfortable. Black people have resigned

ourselves to wait. We have been waiting. Yes we wait, and yes we might cuss somebody out in the process of waiting, we might say some ship, but we more or less are going to wait our turn in that process, whereas white people, I think, are constantly wanting to get out of the line to somehow find their way in a different place in the line, which you know how, you know how it works, and that's not how the volcano is gonna work. That's not how the volcano is

going to work. I love that, Tawny. I think we did it. What a wonderful time. I had a great time talking to you. I had a really fun time. This makes me want to like pull out all my like I want my glowing eyes, I want my can say cloth, my an earrings. I want to go full ass hotep and just like dive with you into all the conspiracies. So listen, next time I see you, I hope that's what you're wearing. I pray to God that you have on the whole garb so that we can

have a more effective conversation together. And I promise I won't wear a tie dye so that I will match your same energy. Oh, I love it. Can you tell the people where they can find you what cool stuff you have going on? Yes, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Trondy Newman, or you can just type my real name in there and you'll find me Tauny News something. Um, the cool stuff I have going on is I wrote, recorded, and engineered a new album of music and I did that wall during the pandemic.

Yeah to me and another black woman, my friend Bethany Thomas from Chicago. We've been singing together forever and yeah, in the middle of the summer, she just drove her ass out to my house in the desert out here in l A And we made a big, loud, black lady punk record that we never would have had time to do if the world hadn't shut down. So if you want to buy that, that can be found. Um, there's a link in my Instagram bio, or you and

go to Tawny and Bethany dot com. The preorders on band camp for vinyl and stuff, but um and digital, but it'll be out everywhere like for streaming and stuff on October night dope and what's it called? What's the project called? We're just using our name, so we're just Tawny Newsom and Bethany Thomas and our album is called material Flats. It's kind of named after the the weird hippie commune that I sort of have built for myself. So okay, hell yeah, I love that. What a great

Oh plug, I love that so much. I had no idea that you could sing and do all that cool ship. That's amazing. Well, I'm jealous of you, and I resent you the same way I resent Nick Chambers. Anyway, you could follow me at Langston Kerman on all the social media platform. Nobody else wants what I got and does they do? Not my name? That's I'm the only one, oh, the only one on the planet. Yeah, they're fine with my words in my face every once in a while,

but they're not interested in my name. And then, oh please, if you have drops that you want to send us, if you have conspiracies that you think are valuable, for us to be talking about on the show. We would love to hear from you. Send us voice memos, send us articles, send us bullshit. I will sift through all of it. You can send it to my Mama pod at gmail dot com. I believe yes, Okay Hans is saying, I'm correct, it's my Mama pod at gmail dot com.

Send it to me. I want to see this ship, and I promise that I might actually talk about it on the podcast. It's a promise that I maybe will do something that is a guarantee that I might do some ship. Okay, I talked too much by racist. They also player of folksta money, versions of many turney stuff. I can't tell me about my