Flashing Lies (with Nimesh Patel)

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Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we died deep deep into the plockets of black conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove that he has called Andre three thousand because there were two thousand, nine nine other clones that he defeated in battle to become the ultimate Andre. Hell yeah, I'm I'm one of your host legs. Think Kermit and I'm David

Boy three thousand and one. I do like this theory because it does explain why he became such a peaceful person. Do you know what I mean? That? Like, after you've murdered all of these other clones of yourself, you're gonna be a much more chill guy. And the on the back end, it's very similar to that Jet movie, almost identical to that jetly Andre three thousands, entire life. Listen. We don't have to put that on wax. I I can say this, I think with almost certainty. I'm not

but our our guest today. I don't think has murdered anybody, especially not his clones. I think he's a I think he's an upstanding citizen, a fine man, a hilarious comedian, fucking fucking so funny. You know him from writing on snail. You know him from from writing for Chris Rocky and I did that together years ago, and uh, what a harrowing journey that was. And most of all, most importantly, you know him from his brand new self produced special on YouTube called Thank You China. So funny. I was

watching it just recently, so goddamn funny. Please give it up for our guests, Mr Nemesh, But tell thank you, thank you David for head Hell. Yeah, dog, I don't know if you know this, but this is sort of a this is a groundbreaking episode for the podcast. You're the first non black person we've ever we've ever had what and honor pretty much. I'll try to carry the torch for the non uh going forward, you know. Yeah.

I mean it's either gonna go really well or you are gonna be hated by the community for what you're doing. Either way, I'm fine with it. You know, I have no problems with that whatsoever. You know, if I ruin it for every other Indian person. I've known you for some time, and I believe you. I think you you more than most people. Yes, you're right, Yeah, I think I think you'll handle it just fine. Yes, thank you, I think yeah. I don't know if that was positive.

I think it is. I say it only with with warmth in my heart. We we can't deal in shenanigans anymore. Because you came to us with a conspiracy theory that I'm especially excited about. I don't know. I think I've obviously heard it over the years, but I don't know that I've ever given it any real thought or attention, but you presenting this forced me naturally to have to do that. And you said, my mama told me Kanye

West and Taylor Swift you what stage. Yes, I believe that my mom came to me with conviction and told me that the human the stage between Kanye West and Taylor. But it all started in two thousand nine, as we all know, when Kanye famously interrupted Taylor's speech and said, I don't mean to be interrupt, but Fiance had one of the greatest videos of all time, of all time,

and then shrugged the infamous shrug and walked away. And I think it was right before it was right after eight and eight a waits and the heartbreak wasn't doing that well or it wasn't a popping the way it should have been. I think right that happened in oh nine, Yeah, it was very close to that period. I think it was pre pre Dark Switzted Fantasy, but post whatever, Yeah, the preceding album. And so it only makes it makes perfect sense as to why I you know, I've seen

them be friends afterwards, right, mm hmm. I don't know if that's that proof, Like he was Hennessy drunk. Right, I have said some things to people I love on Hennessey that we've had to get past years later. Huh. So you think you think it was just the booze that I think it was an alcohol that gave him the confidence to go through with the plane. Okay, okay, So you think that he was using it as liquid courage another time and us going to stage. And I

don't think Taylor, people watching you. I watched the recap of that VMA. Taylor doesn't seem all that surprise what's going But I don't know how surprised you could seem. But Taylor, I don't know. It seems like a well orchestrated plan for the most famous artists of the time at the moment to just walk on stage and be like So, I guess that's that's what makes me curious, right, is because you're saying it's staged, and I'm wondering how staged? Are we talking in a way that are you suggesting

that everybody was in on it? Every single party involved in this knew what was happening. Are there certain people that were like they only talked to Kanye, and Kanye had to get drunk to build up the courage and squeeze on Amber Rose's ass, just you know whatever it took away, Yeah for that. You know, I don't know what Taylor had popping off at the time. I don't. I don't recall which video she won the v n A for. Was it Bad Blood? No, this is way

before Bad Blood. I think this is during her fearless stage. I hate that I know the answer to this. So you were so watch your goddamn mouth. This is for love story. So I think like if that being the case, that being the case, I would even go so far as to say maybe it was Taylor who might have had this plot m Kanye. Kanye said on Famous, I made that bitch famous, And I gotta be honest, I didn't know who Taylor was before that, and wow, did you?

I I'm from I'm from Colorado. I wasn't. I wasn't on on the Taylor Swift team before that, and I'm not on the Tail Swift team now. But I'm just saying like, I wasn't very aware. I knew every Kanye song up until that moment happened, and I did away, But Kanye was a objectively much more established artist. By that point, Taylor was on a hell of a run, I think, but in the in the way that like beat Ts is on a hell of a run and I don't know who those motherfucker's are. Sure, yeah, he

doesn't like show. Well that frankly was intentional this entire time. But you know, here we are. Here's here's my question. Here's my question. If it was in fact that Taylor Swift plot. Do you think she was open for anybody and Kanye was just like the spider that fell into the web or like, do you think she was like, I just need somebody to come and make a spectacle on my win, or do you think she called out

Kanye West specifically? I think it had to have been Kanye because he was the most famous and it was so in character for him, the Spas and an award show, uh, the Amazing Spas that the Grammys before that, and for him, I think Taylor was like, it's gotta be Kanye. He's the only person who could do this, and he's got a point to Beyonce, the only person whose video you could say is better and you you can't say, oh, he's wrong. And then that put a little Hennessey in

that in that glass of his boom. I think he was straight from the bottle hand, to be honest, it was holding by the neck. From what I remember, he had a hand titty in one hand and a bottle of hennay and the other was a dream that evening. Yeah, I mean, that's also like the beginning of the end for everybody. That's how it starts. And another that's gonna be a great opening shot for your movie, Lenks, and whenever, whenever you have a movie about your life, it's gotta

be you splayed out with a titty in one hand. Yeah, that's me about You're wondering how I got here? Taylor Swift playing in the background. They would be beautiful man. Yeah, so, I uh, just to recap a little bit of the evening for our listeners. Kanye shows up with Amber Rows. They're like very publicly dating and going through like a ship ton of PDA that evening. You know, they get

crazy drunk in the seats. And then somehow when Taylor Swift is being awarded I think it was Video of the Year or something in relation to Video of the Year, and Olivia sent it it's it's you belong to me or with me, excuse me, that is the the awarded song that evening or video that evening. And then Kanye as Taylor is sort of like weeping over her successes. Storms of Stage says, you know this ain't uh, no offense,

no disrespect to you, Taylor. I'm sure you're great, but Beyonce had the best video of all time and then shrunks as you meant, Jen, and so for you, given the fact that Kanye is the more famous person, is more established, you're saying the real potential benefitter of this situation is Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift, and she did benefit greatly from that. Obama called Kanye a jackass for doing that thing, and which means he thinks of tail Swift

and a sympathetic light. Yeah, what's more famous. I mean, I'm sure Obama was listening to the tail Swift because of Sasha and Malia when he was when they were when tail Swift was popping off. But what better platform? And he that was a conversation for weeks afterwards. Yeah, and to your point, it's not a conversation that that felt out of line for Kanye. Conversations like people had been calling him the jackass all the way back to when he was like advocating for Katrina victims and ship.

So it's not like this was like a world he couldn't live in. But Taylor, to your point, remains a cuteie pie who gets to keep sort of progressing as

like the budding new famous face in America. If there's one thing I know about hyper famous people is that they can control what's said about them in the news, which means if Taylor, I mean, if Kanye wanted that story out or if Taylor wanted that story squash or whatever, they could have they could have killed it, or if they wanted it to be made bigger news, they could

have made it made it bigger news. So like if that was the if that that was like the jumping off point for like a well executed media plan to

take Taylor from what does you Belong with Me? Too Bad Blood to you know, billions of dollars and sold out towards the point where she's suing a private equity company to get a platform back, like he became huge because of that and kind of So so here's the question I have for you, Because Okay, if this is to benefit Taylor, and Taylor is the main benefitter of

this situation. Is MTV the one that's sort of like masterminds this or just Taylor and her team do it and then presented as like, here's our pitch, you trying to get in on this ship. I mean, that's a that's something I hadn't considered. But having worked behind the scenes that awards shows before, you and I both know there's there's a lot we can pitch, and there's a lot we can control, a lot we can make happen.

I don't know if the minds that the v n as would have been brilliant enough to orchestrate something like that, but I do know that I do know. I do know that they have some heavy hitters on that staff from time to time. So I don't know who was right and then. But I'm sure if you went through that list of writers that were underpaid for that show, what if Eric Andre was on that staff, that that's

definitely Eric Andre's cast, you know. Yeah, I don't feel like I don't feel like the VMA has had anything to do with it. I think it was I think it was I think they were rogue. I think I've only I've only worked on one Awards show, but it seems like Secure is lax as far as like bum rushing the stage right, Apparently that's like that's like a very easy we say, we're gonna do what we do it. I don't think because then MTV. I don't think. I don't think they had any part of it. I don't.

I don't think they had anything to gain or lose from it. I think it was like I think, I think it was just Taylor's idea. Namn Now, I'm in it now, I really do. The more I talked about it, the more I think. I do believe. I think it was a Taylor Kanye West plan. And you're right. He honked a titty, he took a shot, and then he rushed the stage. Maybe he like forgot his role for a second. He was at the bar drinking and said, I gotta go interrupt Hill. Damn it time, I'll keep

the bottle. Let me take the bottle with I do love BORI that your instinct is to stand up for the Viacom corporation. They're good. I drink it and they're paying me for it. U. I mean, I don't. I wouldn't put it past MTV because I mean, David, I think, uh, to counter your point, that clip was repaid, replayed a billion time. I think MTV also milked it for as long as I could, like in terms of how much

news they got after that. This was this was back before they were dead, you know, so people were still watching that ship and uh to think maybe maybe MTV pitched at the Telle like, hey, we got this idea will be kind of crazy, and Tales like sure, just like I don't want to know how it happens. I don't know when it's who's what's gonna happen, how it's gonna happen. But well, you think MTV was the mastermind. I don't think they were the mastermind, but I I

wouldn't put it past them. I still think I still think it might have come from Taylor's camp or Taylor's camp was like we need something crazy to happen. This VMA is not going to be enough because honestly, someone wins the VMA is like, all right, what's the VMA anyway? But then Kiny is like, you don't deserve your VMA. Now suddenly it feels like a coveted trophy that that we have to fight over, because man, that movement is worth a lot. Did I listen, I'm not gonna upset

the bee Hive. Just a sweet angel who never hurt nobody. She wasn't even that was the line. Must be as acting, not not Beyonce. Maybe maybe was like you gotta Kanye. But beyond that, do you think it just to continue down this train? Do you think that that even if Beyonce was a neutral party in this, there were other people aware. I won't say Beyonce, Let's say it was Jay, Let's say it was other people in the room. Do you think that other people were aware of the possibility,

did that this was going to happen? Or was it truly closed door conversation? Nobody knows what's in this bombs everybody. I think, knowing who Kanye West is as a person, there's no way he didn't not tell people that this is about to happen. And uh, people like, no, kind it's a bad it's a bad look for you. He's like, I don't need you. I go. Yeah, I got my dog liquor my leather outfit. Yeah, he was whiling a lot. He was. We forget he was wearing a leather shirt

and he had a crazy haircut. He was doing it all. That's why this far didn't show up in Genius. He was like, hey, man, I don't need y'all get the funk out of here, put your cam quarter away. I'm not out of here. I'm not. No, I don't. I don't think his I don't think uh. I definitely think his camp probably had knowledge from him blaring about it, and they'd probably be told him not do it, and he's like, I'll show you all he's not technically wrong.

I will. I will say that that often is the biggest challenge with conspiracy theories that come up, and and is the the part that becomes so heavily debated, is like keeping secrets. This is truly the hardest thing for human beings to do, maybe on the on the planet Earth,

like we're fucking awful at it. Consistently everybody's telling somebody something right, And so when they say like, oh, there's fucking aliens and you know in in Roswell or the nine eleven was an inside job, the critique that always comes up is who amongst all these potentially hundreds of thousands of participants is able to like, how do you keep that many people from talking shit? Do you know what I mean? I hear you. Maybe it was just

in the room. Maybe it was in the green room like a few hours before they told oh, maybe even working up the cars the whole time. Right, So this this wasn't necessarily a week's out pitch. This was like, hey baby, good night, But uh, I got I got a way to make this mad boy sing. You know what I mean? If I mean what you're saying is true, people can't keep secrets. They probably pitched Kanye this idea when he walks into the room, when a man, we got this crazy, crazy thing we need you to do

for Taylor Swift. He's like, all right, and if if we're gonna play the game, and I know you guys are much more on the side that Taylor Swift is sort of the mastermind of this, but if we're going to play the game that this was an MTV pitch, it could be as easy as I'm going And you know we're about to snub Beyonce and offering that to an already mentally unstable dude Off Hennessey, He's gonna do what he already does. You almost think it's like a reality TV play they put They were like, damn that

Hennessey looks cold. The bottle of sweating. I got another check it on. You might got to make a move. He got the cuts in his head. Oh yeah, it was prime, It was prim ready. Maybe he was gonna say something wild that night. Yeah, he wasn't gonna politely go home that evening. So yeah, we're gonna prompt whatever that is. You don't go out with that haircut in a leather shirt not fixing to say something crazy to somebody.

Dog the fact that he made it. What was that two thirds of the way into the show before impressive? I want to say something crazy thinking about it? Who runs the media? David? Are you still there? Help me? Okay, So Kanye potentially is prompted, he's coached into this thing. Do you think and this will be my final question before we head off the break, but do you think

that Kanye recognized the benefits for himself? Like if his team is going, hey, we don't think this is a good idea, If anybody in his life it's going, hey, Kanye, chill grow, it's not worth it. What what is he seeing as the growth that can come out of this decision. I think Kanye kind of enjoys being a heal from time to time, and it might have been one of those he'll turn moments for him in between albums. Killing got no hardcore press happening whatsoever. Like eight Awaits isn't

universally loved the way he expected it to be. He's just going through some ship. He wants have bought some steam, and uh, he don't. I don't think he sees the benefits, but I don't think he sees the harm. I think he's just like you already hate my guests what I was gonna hate. He's gonna hite me where it loves me. He's gonna love me and it keeps me in the news for another year before the greatest hip hop album

of all time arguably comes out. Yeah. If I know that I'm about I'm sitting on like truly my uh my masterpiece. I'll act up a little bit. You can hit so you could slap somebody. Very deeming album, you know, Yeah, you could really come for a time there was ever a time to slender a pop star. That's when you know you got runaway. Oh man, all right, well this is all very enlightening. I would say, I'm excited to get into this research. We're gonna take a break. We'll

be back with Morning Match. Buttel more, my mama told me, and we are. We're not gonna let Joe Biden and Kamala Harris cut America's meet. That's that on that, that's that on that. Yeah, we're back here when Morning meshed. But tell more, my mama told me. We're still talking about the possibility that Kanye and Taylor Swift's feud was was a ruse. It was a long con to benefit mostly Taylor Swift. But but Kanye got his blessings out of it and maybe Beyonce too. Do you think Beyonce

benefited from from whatever this was? Everything that is the gravity of Beyonce. Ye, No bad things happened to Beyonce. Everything bad that tries to happen that Beyonce has turned into good for Beyonce. Damn, what a nice life for for that. Uh that robot lady, that's really sweet. Frien. Damn, I'm dead too. Come to Winnipeg. They'll never find you. Yeah, you can be saving Winnipeg. I started my research by by truly just going directly off of your phrasing of

like the feud was staged. And I found this blog from somewhere called Saving Country Music dot Com, which is already a beautiful start to Yes, commun's right up there with peer reviewed articles is Saving Country Music dot Com. But this is a person the blogger did a deep dive into their belief that this was in fact a stage event. There they sort of start this argument by saying, there is a history of staged events and staged antics from the MTV Video Awards that already they've already been

doing to boost their ratings. Right. One of the examples they point to, I don't know if you guys remember this, but there was that two thousand and eight quote unquote incident where Sasha Baron Cohen as Bruno flies into the awards show on like high fly wire cables whatever and then ends up uh sixty nine ng on top of Eminem. They basically the wires, the wires fall down, He ends up landing in Eminem's crotch, with his crotch and Eminem's face.

A bunch of Eminem's sort of like entourage at that time snatches them up and they're like pushing him and ship and then Eminem and his people leave the evening, and this was at the time a controversial moment where we're all like, hey, that's crazy that happened. I can't believe that happened to Eminem. It's impossible kind of thing. It was the the green thing, that green like one piece swimsuit that Bruno always bore. No, that's bor at Bruno. He was in rings. Yeah, and he had angel wings

and a thong on when he's sixty nine. The almost it wasn't not that, Yeah, I mean that I don't re pretty close. Was that was that proven to be true or was that actual thing that they did or was that a hoax? So so to to the original question, it was a pretty big deal. Apparently. I don't remember it very well either, although when I rewatched it, I did something clicked where I'm like, I remember this being a thing, But uh, no, mess to your question, it

was completely a hoax. So Scott Ackerman, you know Scott because he wrote on those same awards with us. Uh Scott was, I guess the head writer of the that Awards season. And for weeks people would only ask questions about that incident because it seemed as if Eminem had stormed off in a huff, and then it got so I guess sort of like annoying to have to answer questions about it that he eventually admitted like a y'all, we rehearsed it before it even happened. It's clearly a hoax.

And then you watch it again and it's like, oh, this couldn't have been more stage. They had cameras in the aisle prepared to watch Eminem like click like walk out, and he's like bad acting, so you can tell he's you know, not really upset. Also, no one shot Bruno. Yeah, they would have been got. That would have been like the one person in Eminem's possitively definitely was caring and definitely had the license to go to jail for a while because yeah, you know, like that he's got one

of those people in his crew. And I feel like all of what was that? That what you have a shooter for in case a German sixty nine on accident. I feel like all of D twelve is either dead or in jail at this point because of that exact reason. So, because of Eminem's rightful homophobia in that situation, after years of wrong for homophobus. He finally got one right, Man, lands on you wearing angel wings and the thong and sixty nine you Yes, you can be afraid, you can

push up a little bit it. I think that's okay. It's just sixty nine of both mouth stone engage. All right. Now we're asking I think, uh, more pontificating questions, more philosophical ones. I guess if we're going on this tangent, I feel like once the number sixty nine is somehow emulated, it becomes a sixty nine situation. The act of executing sixty nine can't be done without both mouth open. But I think once you're in the position, it's a physical Yes,

it's like sixty nine rising. There we go. I like that, Okay, I love just like calm. Okay, this was a question that I've been looming in your spirit for quite a while. Now, boy, you asked no rhetorical questions. But if so, if Eminembo's in on it, that's right. I wouldn't put it back. If eminem isn't on the for lack of better term, gayest he's ever been involved in, I wouldn't put it past Taylor to have a slightly or very drunk Kanye West just come on stage and rattle her a little bit.

But to be fair that that that's far more whimsical. The sixty nine is like kind of silly and funny. That's not like, hey, fuck you, young Starlett Beyonce is the greatest ever. I'm ways like the other one seems like it has a much darker it's it's it feels

a lot darker. It feels more malicious for show. So so I'll point to another example that this blogger brought up, which is the two thousand three kiss between Britney Spears, Madonna, and Christina Aguilera, which similarly became like this big, insane sort of like incident. Remember this is in the middle of the Iraq War and we're still we spent almost

a year talking about these three ladies tongue kissing. And one of the things that I sort of pulled from this was this is obviously rehearsed right there, not this. They're not presenting this as if like, oh, what a spontaneous moment where we're just gonna make out with each other. But part of what they're suggesting is the fallout from the other people in the room was more the the stunt and the staging, or rather lack of staging that's

being presented to the audience. If people being shocked that Brittian Madonna like a well specifically uh, Justin timber Lake in the wake of their Brittney Spears and his split when they kiss and I went and rewatched it and it's one of my favorite things that I've gotten to rewatch in recent history. But they make out and they

don't even get a chance, and it's so crazy. They don't even show Christina Aguilera kissing Madonna because they cut to Justin timber Lake too quickly to gauge his reaction to what's happening. So you don't even get to see all three of them kiss be as you just start watching fucking Justin timber like, look real sad while he was getting slobbed down by Madonna slobbed down down? When did when did Janet Jackson's titty pop out? Oh? That was oh good question. This gotta be around the time

right that was I was in high school. I want to say it was two thousand four. I think it was after the Brittany kiss, but I'm not a hundred person. Olivia just had two thousand four is the super Bowl two thousand four? Yeah, all right, I still got it. If that if do you think that was staged? I think that was stage two? Do you think so? I mean Justin really left her out in the cold pretty quick though on that literally are figuredly or or both both? Like if it, if it was staged? Were they not

planning on that backlash? Because that ship happened and he just like watched his hands and like stuff back. Who needed it more? Who needed a titty out more at the time? I don't think. I guess I'll take the the negative on this. I don't think that Janet's team

wanted that. No, it was so bad for her so fast. Yeah, I I do think there's some possibility that like Justin's team could have like constructed this and wanted some version of what happened, because it truly didn't hurt Justin Timberlake at all until black women asked for accountability like last year, but like up through every other time, Justin thrived. He fucking his best albums came after that ship. That's what I mean about exactly, That's what you did. That's what

I mean about WHOA. Now we're starting to see a theme here. It's making me a little nervous. Yeah, I have some test run, but I did he in your hand and say something. Wold see if that changes your career. You finally found me, brother, Yeah, you just do the one rules. You can't wish for more titties. You gotta pacify in his mouth the whole time. So so to the larger point, some could argue that this, this incident of Brittany and Madonna specifically making out, did huge ship

for for Justine's career. Crimea River had just come out. He had just sort of like introduced himself as like this new you know, I'm in solo artists, I'm not part of in Sync anymore, whatever, whatever, and then this elevates him into a much more I guess uh sympathetic figure to some extent, because up to then we didn't know why they split up. But now this bitch is making out with Madonna and he's got a song being like she hurt my feelings. Oh boy, look I mean

that you said. I think you said the key phrase

or just makes them a sympathetic figure. Mm hmm. Taylor's made a sympathy the most sympathetic figure you could possibly imagine Uh in front of millions of people, and there's no way that Taylor's team, even even if it was not stage, which I still think it is, there's no way in the back of Taylor's dressing or whatever her publicist isn't going yes now that that tem percent just turned into a lot of a lot of money, you know, Like it's it's crazy how that there's no such thing

as bad press and that every famous person knows that. So for Taylor to just Taylor definitely one in that situation. And so if these MTV cases are any inclination, it's like they've definitely been studied by these people, like, oh, this is how this happened for Uh, justin this is what happened for M and m'll it'll do the same thing for us. For Taylor, this can't hurt us. So buckle up, sister, because you just got You just elevated yourself in a way that you didn't even realize. And

I think probably seven famous came out. That's probably like the statue limitations or like the NBA died after that and kind of just went right. All right, I can finally write my poems about this bitch now. So one of the things that you're pointing to, which I think ends up coming up a bunch of the blog, is that they actually talked about a fact, the fact rather that Taylor had incidents in the past where she had

already staged reaction videos. Specifically, they talk about two thousand nine, before the MTV Awards, there was actually a video that Taylor posted online when the c m A announcements are happening. So the Country Music Award announcements are happening, and she puts together this video where she's like sitting in her cozy bedroom with her mom and her friends nearby, and it's eight thirty in the morning. They're still in their pj's, but they just couldn't sleep because they're so excited to

see the announcement of the CMA nominees. And she's cuddling her puppy and she she can't wait. And they say that this is completely staged. And part of the reason that they say at stage is because that year Taylor

Swift told sold ten million albums. She had sold ten million records, which meant there was absolutely no way the biggest artist in the world wasn't gonna get nominated for the Country Music Awards, like it's all fraudulent, which means that if you're willing to do that, are you willing

to take it a step further? Yeah, I've always considered Taylor to make the jump, Like every step of her career has been super super calculated, right, Like she tried to do it in country music, figure figured out she could pivot and like took that turn. I I completely believe, I completely believe that that that doesn't seemed crazy to me at all. I'm not gon say mad at her. Um, you know, cold calculating, conniving, billionaire or whatever she is now is a fine thing to be. It's just a

wild step to take, yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, to be an artist and then also marketing genius, you know, especially on your first album, to be able to like make that level of like jump, it's it's elite, even if it's a smart one and intentional one. That is Ah, that is a hell of elape for an artist to make. She did it, Yeah, go move. So one of the things that they also point to in relation to that is the fact that if in or rather if in fact Taylor did stage this part of what she's doing

because she sold ten million albums that year. She is literally the biggest artist in the world that year, which means that only way to re establish this sort of underdog positioning that she sort of like keeps herself into being like, I'm just a cute girl trying my best in making country songs. I don't know what awards are, did I win one? Oh my gosh. Is to make this mean black man yell at her in front of it exactly, this is not physically scary, but I guess

compared to her scary black man. Yeah, black man wearing a leather jacket and teeth marks in his hair. You know that that is It's a perfect counterpoint to who she is a person, and if that's what she wanted to paint herself as she succeeded. He's also the only rapper that could have done it without it being a much stranger narrative. Ghost ghost Face cann't go on stage. If ghost Face doesn't, they go that cocaine salesman is attacking that were a white girl. No, they security him. Yeah,

ghost Face is going up with two bottles. He's going He's going up with a bottle of any that he's now made into a chain and really just some type of Louis robe. So the last little bit I'll get I'll throw in before we have our second break is that this in fact was not and I'm sure you

all remember this. This this was not the first time that Kanye had stormed a stage that in two thousand six, in fact, he had stormed the MTV e Amaze the European the Music Awards and interrupted the sort of like Video of the Year Awards saying like, hey, this is come on, y'all, y'all see what they did. You see what I did. I spent a million dollars on my video. This is bullshit. Nothing against you personally to European dudes who didn't end up becoming big names. But uh, I'm

Kanye West. I should have won this award. And MTV was very aware of his potential to do this, which means there were either two things that happened. They're fucking idiots and presumed that he wouldn't do it twice, or they were fully aware of it and we're comfortable with him doing it a second time. It's definitely the second one. Clearly, clearly, you give you give a Toddler a gun. You gotta expect some consequences. You know, someone's getting shot, you know,

don't I know? You know something, something was gonna happen. They already had experience the first time European MTV en as whatever. Definitely just like a testing ground. And maybe that wasn't That definitely doesn't sound stage. That sounds like Kanye going, Kanye being mad. He spent a million dollars and now he's over in goofy As Europe and to Swedish she was about to take an award from him? Uh back to you? So does that mean maybe he

could have run point on it? Maybe he could have been like, hey, Taylor, I did this ship in Europe a couple of months ago. How long prior was that? Right? Six? I think I think, Uh, I don't know if I don't know if that gives him makes him think he's running, makes me think he's running point But I definitely think what you were saying, Langston is that it lets MTV know that if we need somebody to do something crazy, we know who to call. Let's Taylor, No, Connie did

this ship. We could get Connie to do it. He's already got the president, and he's a perfect person to do it right. It's it's then making another another Pirates of the Caribbean. You know, they know what Johnny Depp does. They they know what that controversy brings. I bet you, I bet you if you, if you if you think if you fingerprinted that Hennessy bottle, Taylor so singer prints would be all over that Hennessy bottle. They were, Man,

that's the that's the smoking gun Heni bottle. Where's that at Some pa got paid minimum wage to break that bottle into a million little pieces in the alleys somewhere, or or the Taylor Swifts CEO has it framed in their in their office, the same way Kim and ray J have a sex tape the VHS frame somewhere and they're all, that's fun. They're just there's just a man who makes more money than everybody involved in this being like, thank God for Hennessy. Maybe it is. That would be

a great Hennessy commercial if we're doing work. It worked on me. I'm pretty sure I bought a bottle right after Man Hennessey gives you bravery sales through the roof. Yeah, I want to do this in life. All Right, We're gonna take one more break. We'll be back with more than Mesh Pateel and more, my mama told me. And we are back. Yeah, We're back here with Morning Mesh

Ptel more. My mama told me. We're still talking about the possibility that Kanye West, Taylor Swift, and some very smart white man with a lot of money and a lot of evil in his heart playing this entire thing that the feud is is a fraud and we were all tricked by the MTV and Viacom Corporation, which I've been tricked by them before, so it doesn't it doesn't

shock me. Non union. Wait, one week equals five. I don't know MTV, so I in in sort of like doing this research ended up coming across this article that Billboard wrote ten years after the incident, so it probably was twenty nineteen, where they actually revealed a bunch of

things that we didn't know about that evening. And one of the things that they talked about new details that sort of emerged from this where producers came forward and said that when after the incident transpired, after Kanye goes on stage says what he says, Taylor Swift is sort of shocked. Beyonce was actually backstage crying. Producers say that they found Beyonce with Matthew Knows backstage crying over what

had transpired, saying she felt so bad for Taylor. And then this is a crazy part these sort of like lead dude in charge goes to Beyonce and tells her that she is actually going to win the big the biggest award of the night. Beyonce was planning on leaving befo were any of the things finished, and they go a chill, We're actually gonna win. And what a magical moment it would be if you brought Taylor on stage, shouted her out and gave her the moment that was

taken from her. I mean, that's the nail on the coffin to me. Yeah, you know. It was also a very smart producer to realize the opportunity that is presented for Taylor Swift if if it wasn't planned, that's a very smart producer. But knowing MTV, you know, I'm not sure if they've got the on their feet thinker minds that they would think, let's get Taylor on with Beyonce. Yeah, that confirms to me. That confirms to me Beyonce is gonna win. Beyonce has just been shouted out by Kanye

washed sitting on tails. It's all too perfect, man, it's all too perfect's too nice. It's it's a it's a real well knit sweater here, you know. Yeah, it feels very it feels very naive on Beyonce. Like I just don't see her playing it like that. Oh you're not even buying that. She was back there crying and ship. Oh, I like you said, robot lady. You think I was like, oh, I'm so I one of you known to be so flustered she couldn't do her job right. Yeah. She she

got off that elevator and uh looked gathered as fun. Yeah, she's like that ship glad that she didn't have her sister, flought her husband, and she looked like she was at at an award show. You know. I gotta get on that meditation playing that she's on. I think it's called

powering Down with Me. It's called sweet mode. So here's the the other uh the you know, And I was sort of on the fence with a lot of these things, but this was the piece that really convinced me that you might be onto something here in the mesh with with your suggestion is that there have been also staff members that came forward. This all came in that Billboard article, but staff members came forward and said Kanye wasn't even supposed to be sitting at the front of the stage

that night. He was actually seated eleven Rose back eleven Rose back, but was moved mid show because they wanted quote unquote more men in front for the camera. Yeah, who's ever wanted that? Yeah? Also also that they know eleven Rose. There is a lot of Henny steps. Yeah, I believe the math is Henny Rose. Yeah, that's a long walk if you're on that was Hennis, long enough to talk to yourself out of doing some stupid ass

shit like that. Right, That's that's sort of it's like that uh, that fucking uh death move that they do and kill Bill. You know, it's like that the fifth step, that's the one that gets you eleven Rose. You might be able to work your way out of this, but your front row, that's you already made your choice. Baby, that's eleven rows. By the time you get to the front, you realize how bad you gotta pee, Like too much stuff happening. That's enough time for people to like stick up.

Like someone be like, hey, Kanye, come on, somebody sees him swinging right like drunkenly sauntering up. Somebody's yeah, no one can get even get on an earpiece, and like someone stopped Kanye. No one's even doing that, right, I feel like eleven ros. Kanye goes, hey, should I be wearing leather? I'm gonna go home. I'm how this out. My nipples are cheap, right, It's switching the whole time. This is just adding more points to this was all

one giant conspiracy man. Yeah, and this one that was the one that sort of sold me in into the whole thing. And as you mentioned before, this sort of argument of the Kanye whatever turning them into heroes, blah blah blah. It goes on for a while. This feud is made more complicated though, when the debate about the song Famous, which came out in Uh sort of pops up.

I'm sure you guys remember this debate where Kanye in the song says I made that bitch famous, and then Taylor comes forward and says, how dare you speak of me that way? I'm a I'm a nice young lady. I should not be called a bit. And then Kim Kardashian comes forward and says Taylor had already consented to the lyrics of the song and she had record of it.

And then those records get released and it becomes an even messier conversation because Taylor does in fact laugh when Kanye is like, yeah, I could still funk Taylor Swift whatever, but he doesn't actually tell her that he's gonna call her a bit in the song. He says, I made that I made her famous in the song, right, So was Taylor saying that was Taylor, I've heard the lyrics before that I'm fine with it. We we've gone past that funny thing that we did before. And then she

came out saying, I'm so shocked that stood. So Taylor Taylor did I think some classic white woman ship where she the first response she had was how offensive this song is. I'm shocked that he would do this. This is wrong. And then Kim was like, bitch, we already played you the song, or we we told you the lyrics of the song rather, and we have it on tape.

And then those tapes got released and Taylor goes, well, yeah, I did consent to this part of the song, but it was being called a bit that I took issue with, and I never consent to do that. Kim then goes, yes, you did, but then the record show she did not, in fact consent to be calling a bit. Who's who's got these records? That's the crazy part, right, is that that no one to this day knows who released the

video of them sort of having this phone conversation. There we go, Now, okay, now we're playing tell me more. I'm listening on I don't you think she does anything that's not recorded? Sure? Yeah, yeah, come on, it's all this massiveminded, calculated thing. I wouldn't be surprised if ten years from now we found out Kim was behind the Kanye ship that Kanye interrupted Taylor Swift like, obviously, I'm kidding, but I wouldn't if that, if that came out, I

wouldn't be surprised. Don't you walk this back, you coward. You know I understand me. I am also nervous to talk about the mighty Kardashian empire. Yeah, I just think if Kim is showing receipts, then it's all been a calculated thing, you know, like that All the Power tour, She's figured out how to get exactly what needs to happen in front like press wise whatever, all the power to or for having done that, But it just makes

me think nothing, none of this is not calculated. And it just so happened that Kanye's album was coming out. Then oh, let's just record the conversation we have because when Kanye's album comes out, we'll have a few more things to talk about once the fervor about the album dies down. So I think, I think in even if you're you're not as masterminding as as they probably are. Like in a in a in a not ideal world,

Taylor goes, I love the lyrics, they're gorgeous. Please release the song and it's a charming tidbit you have for social media when it comes out. In an imperfect world, Taylor goes, that's fucking evil and you're a mean man. And then you get to go, bitch, we already told you and you're you're a scoundrel too. The psych that's another that's another step on the cycle. If you if you do the first thing, it's like that's like the media cycle only last for one, Oh, Taylor like the song.

You say, Taylor doesn't like the song? You could do. I didn't know what the song was about. Well you did, and you could argue about that, and that keeps the ship playing the on the airwaves, you know, which is exactly how it ended up playing out in real life. They released it sort of like week by week we discovered new information about what they knew and didn't knew,

and who had consented and who hadn't. Ultimately landing on you know, a great goddamn song where two artists call each other bitches and say they would suck each other off and stuff. Well, that's it. I think we did it. I don't. I think you know. The big takeaway, if I if I can land one, is that whether or not this was in fact officially staged, everybody benefited and probably has learned how to stage stuff for the future. I took notes. Yeah, Step one Hennessy. Step one is titty.

Step two is Hennessy. What happens after that is up to the tity, and you know that the cities in Hennessey do the work. After that, there's a self driving car after that. Well, this is great Nemesicould you tell the people where they can find you on? What cool ship do you have going on? Oh? Thank you man, thank you for having me. Yes, you can find my special Thank You China on YouTube and you can find

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