Five-Finger Dismount (with Nick Chambers)

You go, no, bitch, chips in your racist money, mars man in terms stuff you can't tell me. Yep, there it is there, It is there. It is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenon devastating episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we died deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove that George Washington Carver discovered over three hundred uses for the peanut, but he had zero uses for these nuts.

Do you know why? Because he was castrated as a young boy. That's right. They took that man's testicles away from him, and that horrible and unfair thing happened, but I believe it was the exact motivation he needed to focus all of that other energy on other kinds of nuts, no distractions. It's like how that old saying goes when a ball nut closes a peanut opens. Huh, guys know that classic saying that everybody says, It's it's a tale is all this time? I'm your host, Lankston Herman. I'm

happy to be here. What a what a lovely, lovely happy experience we have for you today, my guest, and I should say this before my guest comes on. When I was looking up information about George Washington Carver, one of the first things that pops up when you type in George Washington Carver is George Washington Carver, did he own slaves? And Uh. That's a real sad question for the Internet to have produced and really makes me feel like America is hopeless and we deserve to die from

whatever virus. It doesn't have to be Corona, it can be a way sillier virus. But we don't deserve to keep living one way or the other. Anyway, my guest today, he deserves to keep living. He's a good guy. Not only is he a good person, he's a phenomenal artist. He's one of these people that I'm immensely jealous of because of his his many many skills. He is solely responsible, no help. He made our theme music, he made the artwork for this project. He he is the artist behind

so much of this. I just talked ship. This motherfucker puts in the work. You guys are gonna love him. A dear friend of hilarious person Mr Nick Chambers. Every money, Hello, Hello, Hello, crowd is coming through. Great. Oh yeah, now they're here. You made that theme music and they're like, what's up? And let's be clear you you wrote some of the lyrics, but I did. I wrote the less funny lyrics in the UH. I wrote like three lyrics. I was like, I don't know, dog, just repeat it. And you were like,

those are the ones that people quote to me. Though those are I was like, whila, bears are raisedst Like I get a fair amount of uh of response from But I do genuinely think the stuff about the ozone layer in the artians and the turkey stuff and is oh, just fantastic work. You really should be proud of yourself. Thank you, Yeah, nobody's gonna award you for it, and and frankly they shouldn't. It's this is a stupid, stupid thing you've done. But I'm really happy you did it.

I'm grateful we have an amazing conspiracy theory to unpack today. I would argue it's new to me. I've never heard it before, certainly not one that was like, uh constantly in the lexicon of like ship that I heard growing up. I know that you come from a Jamaican home, so I have to imagine that there are some cultural sort of like connection to some of the things that were about to unpack. You said, and this is it's a

fun one. You said. My mama told me if you point at a cemetery, all your fingers will fall off. Talk to me about that. Tell me more so, if you point episode there, all your things will fall off, and the only way to reverse it is to bite all of your fingers. Pre Okay, let's let's pause there for a second, because my fingers are falling off. So am I biting them preemptively? Exactly? You've pointed. You recognize you pointed. You bite them too, I guess reattach the

nerves it's very medical. You bite all your fingers and then they won't fall off. I don't know what the time frame is in Well, That's what I'm wondering, is like, how quickly am I expected to uh to to notice this to bite down. I'm obviously aware of this wives tale, So why the funk am I pointing in the first place? I don't know, Like I asked, I asked, my parents are like, okay, so, and this is something that they told me long after I was a child because I

was very scary as a kid. I couldn't show up, would have never been able to deal with this as a child. But uh, and going back and like asking like so weird, like who told you this? What what would happen to, Like, I don't know, just somebody my mom? And my mom said, I don't know, but it's a thing that I used to do as a kid. And my dad said, I don't know. It's from slavery. And I asked for more information and he's like, it's probably something left over. I don't understand. And and frankly, who

can argue with slavery. It's not there's no retort to that. It's just like all right, it's from slavery, I guess slaves. If I'm a slave master and people sneak out at night, I would have been some horror stories like, yeah, there's a cemetery, this ghosts. You gotta bite your fingers, and why are you biting your fingers? They're coming up with the dogs. They're catching you so right, or even if it's a slave like being like, hey, didn't you kill

my friend? He right over there, He's like, no, if you point your fingers gonna fall off, don't point it a ship. Get back to work. It's just you're just creating fear where fear wasn't, so you keep people in line. I think I think that's that's a respectable choice. I guess as a slave owner. The one, the one is The one thing I respect about slave owners is they came up with silly games to keep their slaves in mind. Slavery. Not a fan, but if you're gonna be a slave owner,

you gotta do something silly. Tell him their fingers are gonna fall off? Why not? All right, talk to me a little bit about because I mentioned it in the preamble. But your parents are Jamaican, Yes, yes, do you think do you think that this comes from that, because I've never heard that before, Like, I don't think that's necessarily an American conspiracy if you will. Yeah, I haven't heard it anywhere else. And I looked up trying to find some information about I couldn't find anything. So I don't

know which Marley came over this ship. I'll tell you right now, it's that Nigga Ziggy. That Nigga Ziggy was out of pocket when he came up with this ship. That's a classic Ziggy. You name somebody Ziggy, they're gonna have some weird thoughts. You're gonna say something crazy. You gotta keep up with his more talented brothers. He's gonna

say something wild. It's interesting because even in looking this up, obviously this and I think some of my listeners would even want to argue about this ship somewhere on the internet. This falls probably closer to something that we qualify as superstition, right that, Like it's a little more about like the mythical than it is about like conspiratorial thing. But I personally would argue, and I'd be curious to hear your thoughts that I actually don't think there's that big of

a difference between conspiracy and superstition. It's something that you're I don't know if it's necessarily proven, but you believe in its real to you, So I definitely would put it there. I think so. And then I think, you know, the reality is that conspiracies are just superstitionous that haven't

had enough time to cook. You know what I mean that, like you give this one a thousand years or even like ship that that we think is like like right now people are arguing whether or not five G is sucking up our bodies, right, or whether or not five G is some sort of poisonous thing in the universe, right, And we're gonna argue about that as like a conspiracy

or whatever. But you let that cook long enough, and a thousand years from now, if we live that long, somebody's gonna be like, hey, man, don't put yourself on below your waist, because if you put yourself on below your waist, you'll curse your family blood for generations. And that will know that that just means that, like, oh, cell phone waves were cooking your testicles, but they don't know that they're they're making it superstitions When it was

conspiracy back when we were alive to it exactly. It's so weird thing because, like my parents are very religious, so for this ghost thing to be part of their their life is like a weird turn. I have believe like ghosts and monsters, no goat, But if if you mentioned like demons or the devil or anything, they're like on board, Like yeah, ghost, forget that. I don't believe any of that stuff. But have you ever seen any demon? My mom told us that she she witnessed someone being

possessed in college. To this day, to this day, she maintains that she's you gotta unpack that a little bit. Tell me what happened where she's she witnessed the possession, then went to a trigg she just witnessed an exorcism, and then went off to the quad to her friends. You got pe soup on my notebook. It was it was this is in in Jamaica, and there was a girl who lived in her dorm who was into like weigi and spiritism and stuff. And she had a friend who was also into it, and so they were in

like chapel and the and the preacher was talking. It was a religious school. So the preachers talking about you know Jesus, and and as you do. And I don't know, I felt the name he was talking about Jesus is weird. And the preacher was being a while that day. He was talking about like Ravioli and trap music. I don't know, but anyway, it was church. So he's talking about Jesus. And then the woman ran out and then people that sorry said something through her to the floor, and so

they picked her up and her friend ran out. After they picked them up, brought them back to the dorm and for a long time they were like praying and trying to get Jesus out of that. My mom said that, um, there, in the name of Jesus, I tell I tell you to get out. And the woman who was trying to invoke Jesus to get rid of the demon, like every time she would go to say the name of Jesus, her tongue would curl up and prevented saying it. And then the luijiboard girl said in a voice that they

had never heard before, who is this Jesus? So it turns out she was just possessed by gay black man and that's pretty cool. Titus Burgess came down to Jamaica, for weeks was possessing. Yeah, that's why. So she heard this voice, that's what she says. And what did she do after that? Did she run away? Was she? Did she stay and watched the whole thing? Like? What was her response? She watched the whole thing. And then they

ended up sending the girl to the hospital. And then this was during like final exams time, so they canceled exams the next day because nobody in the door and really got any sleep because there was an exorcism going on. Oh and I would have paid somebody to pretend to be possessed during the middle of my finals. Sweet part of me thinks, like, was it is that? What the whole thing was? Like a study for the exam? You know what, they can't make you take a test if

you feel with demons, I'm gonna pretend. I just pretend. That's that's fucking nuts, And that's it's such a weird to your point, that's such a weird thing for your parents to be like anti the possibility of ghosts or goblins or whatever it is, but fully committed to the ghosts and goblins of religious text that like, it's in essence the exact same thing it's just connected to a book that they read versus the ones that they didn't.

It's it's almost like people fully believing in the Marvel universe but being like Batman gets a funk out of here. That ain't that ain't scripture. That ain't a part of what I. I subscribe to him and I ironed me and let's talk about that. But that means you in the Book of Tony Stark three verse Jarvis. Okay, so your parents tell you this. You said they didn't tell you until you got older? Yeah, at what point or was there a point where did you believe it? Were

you at all? Like? Oh, maybe I gotta be careful about that. You know, the context of it was like we were talking about things that we believed as kids, and they came up in that context. So it's like, yeah, this is a stupid thing. Oh so they were acknowledging it's a stupid right, Okay, So that makes it a little easier. It's not like you're having a reason with your parents being like, you know, if you pointed a cemetary, you gotta bite your fingers otherwise bad boy's gonna fall off, right.

It's like, why would you even tell me that. Just say that from when I point at the cemetery, don't it's like it's a snake bite, like we gotta come in, but it's like all the glue back in. It doesn't make sense. I don't know exactly what's happening with the fingers. Okay, So so they tell you this as something that they once believed. Did your parents grow up near each other. Did they know each other at a young age? No? I think around maybe college age is when they met.

So it's something that they heard independently of each other. They lived kind of in the same area in Kingston, but I don't think they knew each other growing up. Sure, so it was enough they believed it enough that they they're stuck in their memories independently. And then they both were like, hey, by the way, you buy your fingers fingers, and that's how they met. Let's build a family together. We can make a little comedian musician baby together. Let's

do that. They put the rings on each other's fingers with their mouths and bit the finger on the way. I like the idea that your father put the ring off first, and then your mom was like, you know what to do and then you had to bite that finger and it wasn't this actual thing, It was merely protection. Yeah, for the possibility that your fingers fall off. I want this ring to stay on for a long time. How much?

Let me ask you this, because if you grew up in a pretty religious household, how much of that do you follow today? Are you a religious person? Do you believe in any of it? What stuck? If anything, I think there's a like in times of like stress and fear, it will come back, just like as a reflex. Sure. No, it's like I can't find my keyth Lord if you see them anywhere. Lord, please let this airplane stay all the way up in the air and not do some

weird ship. Yeah. There was one Halloween where I went to UM. I was coming back from Vancouver and I'm on the plane and I'm I'm a nervous flyer. I do not like it. And I looked and there was a nun on the plane. I was like, okay, cool, she's here. She's like she's a liaison. Were good, And I remember it's Halloween, Like this lady could clear. So I'm just sitting there like quiet, like Lord, if that's

if she's with you cool. If she's not and you're mad at her, just let my part of the plane land somewhere, right, because that could have easily just been a sinner. That could have been just a lady dressed as a nun, which is blasphemous, which gives God every reason to to flick your little airplane out of the sky, has punishment for the what this bitch is doing. Exactly, I didn't see the bottom have it could have been all actually none, nobody just cross covered panties and you're like, oh,

thank God that this lady is here. I feel safe. Meanwhile, you're going to hell. You're about to die. It's all. It makes me so frustrated, even watching the way that people behave on airplanes now, not even relation to just religion necessarily, although I do think that for me, it's like I believe that something's up there. I don't know what to call it or how if the books that we wrote have anything to do with it, but there's certainly I don't think that we just came up with

us on our own. That said, they're like so many people refuse to follow basic airplane rules, and it feels like you like we're already spitting in God's face by flying up here. And you know what I mean, Like we're already breaking the rules. You don't, Yeah, close your fucking laptop, you idiot, Like you don't don't do the extra ship that even humans are Like, I I don't know, this might be too far. We probably shouldn't do this one. That's fucking crazy. How do you know better than the

people who are running the plane? Right? And I don't. And to that point, I don't think that they know anything. So if they're telling me, okay, if they start off literally by being like, hey, y'all, here's what scares us, that's maybe that's how they need to rephrase the whole like airplane breakdown. Right, with all of our knowledge and study and training, this is the thing that we're not sure about. Yeah, would rattles my bones. That's when you leave your cell phone on by the time we take off.

I don't know why, what's gonna happen? Maybe nothing, but boy do I get nervous And I'd be like, all right, I'm gonna turn my cell phone off. I would. I would be more comfortable with a with a pilot who's like, hey, I've been off the past couple of days just beat like, let me know it, this is we're gonna be hitting some terms. But hey, hey, whoa, who wasn't that crazy? Whoa?

That ship was all right? All right, we gotta take a chill for us, like old on, I'm gonna land this bad boy and just re resettle myself because that was crazy. Comes on you just here, whoa, I ain't even gonna lie. We got some ship coming up on the radar that y'all ain't gonna funk with. And I don't funk with it either. Anyway. Enjoy the peanuts and uh and cocoa on your screens. We're only playing cocoa. Okay.

Last question, So you're not a particularly religious person, you're not necessarily buying into their version of spirituality, at least as in terms of the fingers falling off? Are there any parts of things that they've said, like this that you were like, Oh, I can get with that. I see where that comes from, and I actually agree with that. I don't know if it's agreeing, but the whole demon thing, like even though I don't know if I believe it's it's just like the cell phone on the airplane. It's

like you know what. I don't know if they are demons in here, but let me just say Jesus a few times, just in case, so they know. I know. It's like cocking cocking a shotgun. I like that. You think Jesus is like beetlejuice, and if you say his name or a certain number of times, he's just gonna pop up and do cool shit. I think Jesus. I think Jesus is busier, right, I just see that as this page or number. I wanted to know that, Like, ay, I called you, you could call me back, come back ready,

No rush, I get it. You're a busy dude. You got holes in your feet, in your hands. But whenever you're ready, just it's called me back. It's me Nick. By the way, it's Nick, your part time servant. It's Nick, the guy who only kind of believes in you. You know, when it's convenient for me. Do you remember? All right, we're gonna take a break. We'll be back with more Nick Chambers and more, my mama told me. And we are back. Yeah, we're back here with more Nick Chambers more.

My mama told me. We're still talking about that. The possibility of your fingers falling off sort of uh Dory and Gray style. I guess if you point at a cemetery just turned to ash because you didn't nip on him right after you point. What do you think parents were trying to get you from from doing with the don't point at a cemetery because that's what a lot of these old wives sales are cooked in, is like allegories and lessons for being a better person. What's the

fear for a young person pointing at a cemetery. I have no idea. I don't know. I don't know if it's like like respecting the dead or uh, just pointing in general, which is a long way to go to just to get kids to not point. Yeah, i'd say so you could have just said take your hat off when we when we're around the grave. But as they you're like view point before to god. Right. Somebody said it was like if the if you point at a cemetery, then the dead can see you and then they'll come

and get you with some like that. I don't know. Yeah, okay, I could see that, like you're building it's like pointing out a regular person almost where it's like you're opening communication. Yeah, yeah, now, you're being rude, so now I gotta retaliate. And the dead, I guess apparently are petty as ship and they're like that motherfucker pointed at me. You cursed, bitch, you cursed.

All right, let's unpack some of this research. And we we talked a little bit about the way that superstition feels like it's it's sort of leading the way in this one. And I wanted to do a little research on like superstition as a as a belief system. How many people actually believe in superstitions in general, And apparently twenty five percent of Americans identify themselves as superstitious in some way, shape or form. They say that, yes, I

would consider myself a superstitious person. That sounds about right. Okay, hell yeah, it was over your life, you would say. One and four people are like, ay, don't split that pole, don't right. It's things like that or like with sports kind of things, for sure, I think right, And and to that point, it's so cooked into even like the way that our systems work, right, superstition is kind of

a part of everything. Like there's no floor in most hotel rooms, and that's just because somebody decided that was a bad number, and they were like, well, we can't get guests to sleep here, so we'll just get rid of the number. That's and it's still the thirteenth floor. It's just a different number floor number. Yeah, it's like, bitch, I know a fourteen eight means this ain't this ain't

a trick. This is just thirteen. And you're not telling me that you think the bad luck is gonna get lost in the hotel was looking for calling down to the lobby like hey, I just I can't find my room. I'm sorry. The is the third time I've called, but I just can't find my room. So yeah, even with that,

this is something fascinating I didn't realize. But there are other superstitions that sort of follow that same trajectory in other places, right, Like I think we we often have a very Americanized view of like what numbers are bad or rules and ship But in China the number four is bad, Like they don't funk with the number four at all. So like I imagine that there's a bunch of things that they skip over with the number four because they don't funk with that. Or for example, in Brazil,

this airline loof that loof Dans. I don't know how to pronounce it. I'm not from there, But they don't have a seventeenth row on their airline, right, But they don't tell you that there're seventeen rows. They say it's something else because they don't want people to think that, you know, they're sitting seventeen because apparently seventeen is bad. Does this say why these specific number? So did you do you know why they pick these specific numbers? No?

I mean I think it's similar to us, where it just sort of like is a a old legend that bills and then it's less about them actually believing it and more about them preparing for people who do believe it. Right, It's a lot of these companies are just like saying like, look, I don't give a funk, I just want your money. But it does it's easier to get your money if you're not sitting there going I refuse to sit in the thirteenth row or the seventeenth row or whatever it is.

I do really love the idea of there being a a Brazilian Friday the seventeen, which but just Brazilian Jason running around murdering people or Michael Myers. I thought, yeah, just Michael Myers with the airhorn. The mask is all colorful with the feathers and instead of the air it's just there's beautiful feathers just dancing towards you. He's wearing a mesh tank top. It looks good. Michael Myers looks good.

Miguel Meyers, No, I don't know. I don't know Portuguese, I don't know Virgilian Portuguese, but I bet there's a Miguel down there. Miguel Myers looks great. Okay, so uh. Superstition apparently derives from the assumption that a connection exists between cocurring, non related events, basically meaning that if my fingers fall off after I pointed a cemetery, it's easy to point at the cemetery and blame that instead of examining, for example, why the funk I have leprosy? You know

what I mean? Like, where did this leopardsy come from? And how did I get that as an adult? It's just someone trying to hide their leprosy from their friends. I I don't have leprosies. Just look at that cemetery over there. Oh god, oh man, the devil, don't got me. Demons, those cursed demons stole my fingers. Yeah, I think it's such a fascinating thing because at the end of the day, so much of superstition and so much of conspiracy theory.

And this is something that the research sort of shows is that it's often connected to people's want for control, right that, like, you live in this uncontrollable environment. Everything is is chaotic and mayhem, and the easiest way to make sense of that chaos and mayhem is to say, like, Okay, here's a rule that I know how to follow. Here's

the thing that I know. If I do this, at least I feel in charge of the whole thing, like they even said, like and some of the research I saw that that, uh, in Germany, between nineteen eighteen and nineteen forty, the measures of economic threat correlated directly with the measures of superstition. That like, superstition was going up, because between nineteen eighteen and nineteen forty, they the money

was fucked up in Germany right there. Post World War One, pre World War Two, they're still like rebuilding as a country, and so they're being hyper superstitious and ship right, So who who is keeping track of the superstition number. I'm superstitious about that. Sure, yeah, okay, I'm here. I wasn't why what you're throwing down? But why? Why is that a thing that you've paid attention to, or how specifically

during the time when a bunch of Jews are being killed? Like, why are you so focused on superstition right now when you could be helping your neighbors. Right, we don't want to print all that stuff. Let's print about the superstitions. Let's run that story first. Hey, hey, stop writing about these Jews. Man, don't you see all these black cats? Every Let's focus that's bad cats. I do a killer German impression. I don't know if because come look at

the black cats. Mad just I love I just love language. That's my thing. Turkey isn't a German phrase. They're talking about actual turkey. Yeah, at the time, black people turned it into turned it into a cultural something else. But now they were talking about an actual turkey named jive. He was unlike in the German community. One of the things that I ended up finding in a lot of the research that I was unpacking is that there's actually

quite a few other cemetery based conspiracy theories. In fact, I found a website that listed nearly like a hundred of them. I've listed one of my favorites, and I would love to get your reaction on a few of these. But one of them was being first to leave a cemetery after a funeral could bring you death. You'll die if you leave first. Yep, if you leave that funeral first, you might die. I mean we're already here. Yeah, Well, it's a scary thing to tell somebody, like, you know,

if you leave version, you don't die, right. You know what it was? It was a very unlike person on their deathbed, like, you know, if you leave my funeral first, you go, there's a bunch of annoyed people standing around this grave like you about to leave. But I think that's there's something really really insightful in what you're saying.

Is that so much of this while we make it something dramatic or something, you know, like something that's affecting the whole world, the reality is it's something that affected a few individuals, and they are so selfish and and sort of like self centered in all of this that they then make it a rule for everybody to follow. You know what I mean you, we don't all have to throw salt over our shoulder. You did, dog, you deal with You live in that salt needing life right right.

You're the one with the saltless back. You deal with that ship. You got this unsalted back, My back as salty as funk. I'm fine. I don't need none of that. My shoulder plays of saltines, But tell me these ain't salty in my Here's another one that I thought was really interesting. They say, locking the door of your home after a funeral procession passes by is bad luck at what point, like as it's going by or later that day,

just I believe they said. After which that part bugged me in the same way that they seemed to be bugging you, where it's like, okay, so I just gotta keep my door unlocked always. Now that feels a little like I used to watch the show True Blood. It's the whole vampire like they could only come in if

you get invited. That seems like some backwards, like the ghosts can't operate a locked door after the possession, like leave it open for right, So they're saying, hey, just leave it open, let the ghost in, and then they'll leave you alone. But if you lock that door, they'll be piste and they'll want vengeance. Here's my personal favorite. A witch. This is a real supercision. A witch must be buried face down to prevent the community further supernatural spells.

If this doesn't want work, unbury them and turn their clothes inside out, then rebury them face down. Say that, let's part again. Sure a witch. If you're gonna bury a which, you gotta bury your face down. That's that's what they're saying. And if you funk up and don't do that, you gotta dig her up, turn her clothes inside out, and then rebury her face down. Take your time with it. There's no there's no correct answer here.

I'll be frank with you. It's again. I think it's just somebody got caught in a situation where they were digging up a lady. She was a witch. That's why she's naked because I had to turn It's just somebody in Salem, right. This is a man. This is a sick man who dug up a lady and wanted to fuck took her clothes off. Let's be honest. It was a man who was fucking corpses and somebody somebody walked up and was like, Hey, why the funk are you sticking your dick and that lady's butt? And you're like,

oh what, Oh no, she'll witch. I gotta bury her face down and turn her clothes inside out. That's why she naked and my dick is inside of her. I had a much more wholesome idea that it's like a local dressmaker and he's trying to get his name out there, so he buried them. So the tag is out on the back, so you buried them, and people, Oh, this is let's go to listen. She dead, but she looked good. I'm wanting to that was this tagline. She did, but

she looked good. Okay. The other thing that I sort of wanted to look into in terms of these theories around cemeteries is that it seems to be often be connected to threat of death and decay, right, which I have to assume comes from our history of terrible like burial practices and diseases that sometimes follow those burial practices. If you've watched any like old tiny television, you know these motherfucker's didn't watch their hands. They weren't like cleaning

up properly after bodies. And I wanted to sort of like unpack, like what is our actual history with like clean, effective burial practices. And apparently there are example, horrible examples. There's a this ancient city in Turkey. I'm not even gonna pretend to pronounce this name, but it was not

you know, the city of Jive, Turkey. Uh, nine thousand years ago, people used to bury their beloved under their houses as an attempt to separate themselves from their ancests or not separate themselves or out there from their ancestors emotionally or physically or smell. Yes, you just have a rotting corpse buried underneath your home because you want to

be connected. Yeah, that's so, just as many people in your family died that under that's right, and I have there was some more people are dying because of this rotting, festering corpse underneath your home. And this is in what what is this? This was nine thousand years ago? So according to some people, the earth didn't exist yet, but according to it was BC. Let's just agree it was BC before before. And you know what, that's how they get that's how they get you before coffience is how

you end up getting murdered by time. I guess I don't know, all right. This is another one that was pretty wild. It said that in some parts of ancient Greece, people used to put iron nails across the dead bodies to prevent an eventual undesired resurrection. Basically like, in order to prevent zombies from rising, they would basically nail parts of the body to the coffin, into the ground or

to the ground, whatever it was. But you know, ship's gotta be juice, gotta be popping about that nail, you know what I mean, It's gonna squirt right when we hit that nail in there. I've opened a caprice son before I know. So you're nailing the person to the coffin. Yeah, just in case the zombifying and get back up. But can't they just like I've seen zombie movies where they just whatever part of them is stuck, they just ripped that part off and keep coming. Yeah, well that's not

what they believed in ancient Greece. Apparently an iron nail was enough for a zombie to be like, oh damn, they got I was gonna eat their brains. But never mind, that's cool, smart y'all, smart o y'all going to ben math or something that's cool. Right, And also, if you're coming from a time where you've been hearing stories about Jesus and Lazarus, people coming back to life is not too far fetched, I suppose, right, sure, they believed in resurrection, and for them it was it was more of which

resurrections they liked and which ones they didn't. I guess they preferred certain resurrections over others. Who do you want to come back for another season? It was it was really American Idol study style voting to keep you underground

or or around underground or around next year on Grecian television. Okay, this is the last piece of research that I sort of wanted to dig into because I do think that that left that leprosy and sort of like these conversations around like where so many of these conspiracies comes from is valid, right that, like a lot of it is diseases and sicknesses that we then blow up into something more extreme. And it turns out in my research, I found out that leopard see actually still exists in Jamaica

today in this day and age. A lot to be proud of of your home country. But come on, but if fairly in five cases of leprosy were found in Jamaica alone, which I didn't even know was still a thing, You know what I mean? I mean, I guess if you're wearing so many mess shirts, it's too much bacteria falling in and out. You gotta cover some of that. All that daggering, somebody's gonna catch, right, you dagger till somebody's fingers fall along to the pieces to make a

dance out of that. Yeah, I dropped the finger that. All right, we're gonna take one more break. We'll be back with more Nick Chambers and more, my mama told me. And we are back you know, no, no, no, yeah, we're back here with more Nick Chambers more. My mama

told me. We're still talking about the horrors of leprosy that seemed to be overtaking Jamaica and the silly conspiracy theories that Nick's family came up with to help explain the fact that in leprosy still exists in I know, I thought that was a Bible disease and nothing else. I'm amazed. I'm shocked. Yeah, is anyone is Sean Paul on this in raising money. I love that. You know how a con is an Africa helping people get like

electricity and building hospitals and shipped. I would love it if Sean Paul just dedicated all his energy to leprosy. That's it, he's gonna get rid of it. Don't touch. This music has changed. He used to touch all the time, but now he's like, don't, don't do it. It's got social distancing. Jamaican dance hall music man Daggering from Afar made my FaceTime. All right, let's play a game. This is a very fun game that I like to play. You know it, you love it. It's a game called

White Ugly. You're disgusting. I'm gonna kill you. Give me two alright, white lies. This is a fun game where Nick, I'm going to introduce to you a widely held conspiracy theory in the white community, conspiracy theory that many whites seem to believe in. And what I would love for you to do is unpack why you think this conspiracy theory is so important to white people. What do you

think it is that they believe in? What are these sneaky motherfucker's up to you give what I'm saying the conspiracy theory for you, And this is a new one

for me. I had not heard this before, but apparently there's a fair amount of people who believe that the Queen of England is a cannibal, that she that she eats humans, and that is how she maintained for this long that she's now whatever, ninety five years old, and part of the way that she stayed so youthful and stayed in power is by eating the flesh of other human beings. My question for you, why do you think that white people think that the Queen Elizabeth the second

is a cannibal? Well, when you say white people, I'm gonna assume you mean white men. Sure, so I think for an a white man to see a white woman or any woman in power, there's got to be something. There's got to be something wrong with her. She gotta be do something, doing some evil. So there's no King's how that gotta be right? That is that, like you know,

Philip would be the king. But the bitch keep telling her, telling them she gonna eat them, keep saute and her servants keep Philip be like cool, I just back off. She's crazy. You want to be king, but she won't let him because she's crazy. It's it's crazy. It's wild out there in England. Which which fork is the human fork? The way they said they have the whole spread? Which for it? That's the one she keep in her pocket. That's a private fort, you know what I mean. It's

strapped to her thigh guard a boat. This one's as the one she waits till like a door get shut too quick, and it's like just one of those slaves that they don't call slaves no more in there because they're slaves. I'm watching the crown right now, and that's slavery. I don't give a funk what they say, right, I don't care how many trumpets you put before. It's exactly it.

I walk into a room and then another, like a more important person comes into the room, and I bow, and they go, get the funk out of here, bitch, and I gotta just scurry off. I'm forty. No, I'm a slave. If I'm forty and I gotta scurry, I'm a slave. If words have make you run out the room, yeah, words from an old lady. Yeah, let's let's look if this is a job like you keep telling me it is. Let's make this a professional setting. Give me an HR, give me a somebody that that can answer my concerns.

But if you're gonna make me scurry, then just admit I'm a slave, and let's let's move forward. Honestly, exactly, there's no Her Majesty's hr. Yes and frankly, and I'm willing to start this conspiracy theory. Now, I'm not unconvinced that the Queen isn't sexually assaulting a fair amount of those uh servants, know what I mean. That's why she aliveed so long. She got that what she's still she's she's she's just stand in the hallway and you gotta bow.

It's like further down, keep bowing, not low enough, you know where I like it. And then when she's done, she rings a bell and that servant gotta scurry out, fucking nutcase, bring me the scurrying bell. I'm clum clog. I do to think there's so much of this history that that is it's absurd and it's cooked in the

weird thing within. This goes back to your point with the monarchy, is that they are almost being progressive, right, They're almost introducing this idea that a woman can be in charge of an entire country before a lot of other places are willing to do that, which you could argue as a cool thing, But even in doing that, there's so much undermining that happens in placing this woman in this position of power. So she's not truly in charge.

She's just a figurehead that puts on army clothes sometimes, but it's not You're not actually this powerful figure. And so to your point, there's probably a bunch of dudes who are sitting back like, you know, the bitch don't do nothing. We were the real power is the man, but they the only explanation is she eat kids or whatever it is. That's yeah, it's surely nuts. Well, Nick, I think we did it. I think we we nailed this episode. I think I think that was what a

beautiful time. Could you tell the people at home where they can find you, what cool stuff do you have going on? Sure? I'm Chambers Comedy on social media. Do a podcast with Towanda Gonna called Towandah's Life Requests where we uh it's a musical advice shows and people come in with situations that they're going through into one to prescribe them a song to listen to to help them with that situation. Hell yeah, it's a beautiful time. Nick is a beautiful man. The artwork is beautiful, the music

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