Dance Till You're Dead (with Mandal)

you can't even it's so much hooka smoke. Now you're trying to you're trying to get you trying to get some movement going on. You're gonna have some respiratory issues. Man, it's sick. Yeah, it ain't what they promised. That's for damn tree, my chips in your quality. Man's racist. The

host mostly money, Terry stuff I can't tell me. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to another episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and we finally work to prove what the fuck is wrong with Terry Because I don't know

whose team is he on, not mine, not mine? That I think I think the only people that could truly claim Terry Crews as a teammate are like those muscle beach men, you know what I mean, Like it ain't black, it ain't white, it's it's it's oily titty men or other people who like agree, people who are into saying they're addicted to porn. I don't trust you. Yeah, what I don't trust you're addicted to porn. We all are grow up, we got climate change. You're worried about jerking.

What do you think you're special because you because you've gotten to the nooks and crannies of of porn hub. Fuck you, He's not even in the nooks and crannies. I bet my if we're looking for search terms, I beat Terry Crews every day. He's never. He's never. And then, well,

here's the thing. Here's what I like about what you're saying is that I do think that that might be what haunts him the most, is that he's sitting there and he's basically just looking up missionary sex on these fucking websites, and it's like, well, I'm addicted to that, then I'm a piece of shit. That is, you are a piece of ship because I'm exploratory. I look so deep on there sometimes I'm like, I don't even know if this is porn. I think this is just two

chubby Filipino ladies foot rats. And that's what porn is for, because you're not you're you're not going to be able to access that with a family committed whatever. Bullshit that we're all finding ourselves. That's what I'm saying. I'm on pornography to do stuff I can't do in real life. And Terry Crews is looking up black lady who looks pretty close to white with a fade, and that's his fucking wife, you know what I mean. Like he's literally looking for his wife, but he's doing it just the

skew of his wife. And he's like, oh no, this is a sin. This is He's looking up like do you remember kp and Envy looking up? He's looking up Envy Envy New I'm David Bory you want to you know? And I'm Legsin Kerman and Boyd. We come in hot. We came in hot today. We we didn't have a lot to stand on, and we we milked it for all it was worth. Huh. I think we did a good job. I think that was pretty good for not having a joke written. I thought we nailed it straight up. Well,

you know who who always has a joke written? You know who's never unprepared. He is our guests today. He's so fucking funny. I think you we we talked about having him on the podcast, you and then I you mentioned him in My eyes lit up because I'm so excited. He's hilarious. He's an Atlanta local joker, is the way that he excribed described himself to us. But I think he's much more than that. So fucking funny. Give it up for our guests, Mando hard record, right, turn that up. Hey,

thank you for having me. It's a man sandal, okay, hey, man against negativity distributed all love. Please say the whole thing. Please say the whole thing every time. I'm sorry, sorry I didn't now, I didn't take that. I did ask you what you wanted me to say, and you didn't say none of that. You you were just like yeah, because if I would have told you that, then I couldn't have said the previous sentence. I just got you, right, I fessional. Everything is a setup, man. I love that.

I love this setup. I love the whole thing. Let's let's not Dilly or Daly year, because you came to us with a conspiracy theory that I had never heard of. Bory. I don't know where you fall in the in the this is a real thing or not a real thing for you conversation. I I did not know. I did not, but it. I mean you're gonna say it. It makes sense to me, is what I'm saying. Oh, immediately you were like, hell, yeah, I'm bought in, bro. You know what I mean, body parts, I've heard dancing. I'm sorry

saying well, yeah, let's let's get to it. And then because this is exciting, you said, my mama told me a girl died from doing the name with It rock with It too hard at a dance party and snapped her neck. For sure. So so I'm a little long winded. Sorry to trap head The Year the Years, two thousand and seven, two thousand seven. Congratulations, you just got suspended for wearing a Snowman T shirt. The GJ can't they can't bannon you got when they did Bannon from Atlanta

Public Schools. You got suspended for wearing that the school after the principal said stopped the first, simple warned you. Yeah, she said, you said you can't ban the Snowman. You said you can't ban the Snowman, and she did bandish band you instead. And then and then you had on either some rebox soldiers or you had on that era attempts that would be like one color and then another color on the side, and then the tongue was that other color. Remember that they had They had about a

two year run. So Lean with the Rock with It drops in two thousand and six. That's when the music video come out. That's when they shot the SoC de and they dropped the remix before the original version of the song, which I thought was bizarre. I liked that one the all they think, I like me so yeah, Town Yeah exactly. If you watch the Land with the Rock with the music video, they referenced that music video and the Land with a Rock with It, which don't

make sense. But all that doesn't matter. So in the video at the beginning, it's a girl, she's doing the Lane with a Rock with It. Now plenty people Lane with the Rock what it is, it's a it's a staple for people in the southeast. That made as well across the country. Was everywhere. It was big. Now you were leaning rock, lift your leg up, get your knee up, bounced down with all your body. But before it was just that you will also lean your neck back, or

you was a guy who twists your leg. Everybody wants to see an individual, and what happened was that girl. That girl, she was trying to be herself and she was in the music video. So the story is that she was in the party and they're like, that's the girl from the music video, y'all make rooms. She's about the show out, and then she snapped. She didn't live with rob with the snap back, snapped, her neck died,

and they flowed up like American flint. So from that point on, so you're seeing it was the girl from the girl in the cocktail dress. To Mike, correct, no, not don't begin No, it's like a child like so so a little child, very younger, a child was at a party for Shure. So what they're saying is so a great example. My mom didn't necessarily what happened was but after that, everybody's like, hey, when y'are doing a link with a rock with it, don't move y'all neck,

because that's how y'all die so everything. So that was a big thing. Like schools across the Atlanta was like, hey, y'all, I know y'all like the dance and have fun, but we gotta be safe. We gotta be safe when doing these moves. And so you wasn't allowed to snap your neck. So if you was like, let's have you in the middle, you're doing with it. You're getting after it. Once you moved the net back, they're like, hey, all, best off man,

we want to have a good day. I love the idea that they they know they can't stop you from doing the dance. They're like, listen, we're not this. This dance is too goddamn contagious for us to ask people to not do it. But let's just do it safely. If you're gonna have sex, you know, Oh I remember, I forgot that. They were yeah. Yeah, that's when the animations came, and that's when that that next snap really found itself. I would I would argue is that when

people were snapping hard, you would really snap. I used to wear a helmet unrelated, but he did, I mean honest at the team club and when I was in middle school, they used to at the team club, shout the club bash people was at the Tame Club. And so this is a true thing. So before the net snap thing, it wasn't about the animations. So before it

was like who here lean and rock the herd. But after that exactly exactly, but post that girl supposedly dying, that's from casting like, hey, you gotta pretend like you're hitting the baseball. You you know what I'm saying. So it really advanced the dance further by creating that constriction. It's like when you don't cut some set. This evolution of safety created a space for people to start to

add a new innovation to the ship. For Shan for shall Yeah, that's when people was wearing the big shirts. When people remember my white tea and remember pink tea. I remember pink tea. And you remember back in them days, if you was a dude who was trying to look like attracted to women, you wouldn't check your whole shirt off. You would just take the bottom of the shirt and put it behind your neck. You know what I'm talking man.

And that was a little astentatious for myself, but it was one It was a smart move because if you separate the arms from the They look bigger than when they're oh yeah, yeah, like that's a big gass arm when they ain't got no tour so attached to it. Did you ever have to try to did you ever have to try to harle them shake? But you would just grab the bottom of your big T shirt. That's a good move. That's how that's how I was getting down, like I I when I was in high school, I

was a dancer, baby I was, I was. I know it. I knew it. A mountain dude, you were a mountain dude, Chuck. I ain't a lie. I ain't a lie. When I was coming up, I was jigging for real, like real like. And then I have bonus points because I was a fat dude, so like I expectation. Yeah, I used to do the worm. Whoa yeah yeah, people I hate man do the worm. Du Yeah I was. If a fat dude does the worm, that's the that's the party right there at home. Yeah there, there's we shut it down

for that ship. That's crazy. One battle only lost one battle on my time? How many battles battle I did? I'm not gonna lie. I thought it would be a bigger number. I was literally expecting that. I'm not. I'm not discrediting whether or not twelve is a big number. Four dance battles. I'm saying that. When you go I never lost one dance battle in my life, and it's one of twelve, it starts to make it. It feels I don't think. I think if it was fist fights,

you would be like, that's pretty good. If you tell me that them boys from you got served only only dance twelve times, I'd be like, well, worse, they're not gonna win. They're not ready. He wasn't a little safe in the world. Sometimes dance battles, that's a lot. And you're comparing it to to to professional athletes, as a easily dancer, as a legally's answer, that's a big number.

Think about it. Think a boy I would dancing twice a year, one for the one for the spring dance, and one time in the summertime when we had that party. After that, I was retired the rest of the year. I got Larry home. That's six years worth the battles years. Let me let me go on records saying I was wrong. I'm out of line here, but but go on please not not twelve. And that's I'm as you're saying it. I feel shame about it. I truly I made a mistake.

You gotta get after. I've never even I've never even I've been approached to dance battle and I had to. I didn't want it. I would rather battle battle. I would rather run at a team of enemies with the sword battle. One time I had the battles from twins right whoay and so to god, there was some twins of my neighborhood. One of them sat on the other shoulders like a transformer and it was like they was

tutting together. What would you did? The word? Though? No, So that one, that one I won by I want by disqualification because while I was dancing, I started clumping and they started cramping, and they asked them to hit this girl in the mouth, and then they come dancing the us. So then I wontamn. So So that's like, uh, that's like in an in Naruto when like the enemy hurts themselves and then he but he still finds his

heroic story inside of it. Exactly. Man, It's all art, bro, Everything is a expression, and sometimes we were expressed with our body and sometimes we expressed with our words, you know, and um, at that time, I was crumping. I used to the worm. I used to be able to spend on my head, but only one span. I'm not gonna make fun of that. That's still a success for me. You put the skull cap on by like move back, I listen. I I my my child has now like started to try to like do a front flip, like

just rolling, like she'll try to roll herself. And I was like trying to demonstrate it for her and like put my head on the ground and was gonna like flip my body over and then thought, no, I'm not gonna do that, like physically, I can't do that. Didn't make that, didn't make that big thund Yeah it was. It was enough where it was like, oh, even just doing this on the ground, this is irresponsible and I I can't look around like that, you know what I mean?

Song Now you can't do it. Man, Sometimes we gotta leave. We gotta live young things for young people. I think that's what I'm saying. Dance battles, What was the oldest dance battles? How how old were you? So? I think I was in high school. I lost it because that dude did my signature move on me. So I used to have a move called a detonator bro where um so I would legitimately I would like be so I'll go down to their legs and I'll vibrate up like that about it and then explode their head and start

dancing really and saw that it kind of went. It was ham but then I started overusement. So people are like, man, you always doing that movie from like see you doing the last four of your twelve battle and then on the last battle the dude that neated me, Oh, he's working already with a narrative that's been circulating around this

is Yeah, he prepared that. Yeah he knew. He was like and he's like me and Mandel, we we're gonna face off, and I'm gonna get him for sure, because I had a lot of hate behind me because you know, if you win, when you win long enough, you become a villain man. And so once he detonated me, automomentum went to his hot side and I couldn't do nothing else, man, and then I retired that day. I gotta let it go. I used to be good man. I used to do

the worm. I never The only thing I really didn't do was, um, I wasn't a big I'm a break dance guy. Yeah yeah, but I used to take though for Yeah, I was just doing I was doing a lot of sideways, usher, slides and ship. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it, I knew I don't know why I do it, but I knew it. I knew that, I knew I had a cousin similar situation, similar situation, very light skin, A lot of sideways, like when the when that video came out, was like the first one I saw do it, the

one where it comes across the front. Yeah, hear me when I say this, when that video came out, I didn't sleep that that change. That change which one everything for me? Which one? That when when usher first? It might have been you got about when he first did that first. No, it wasn't. It wasn't you make me want to remember, oh he did do it? What you would make me want to? Yeah, he was wearing where the black and red pants. I'm gonna let you all

know something. That boy, that boy Ussher was the first musician to wear Heli's right, you go watch you don't have the problem. Yeah, he And not only that, he went to a party in them ships, you know what I mean. Just he was like, I'm leaving my bitch, I'm going this is my day of liberation out in the world, and I am going in Healey's the boys and I I got my ground leather, I got my schooling. And it was so well lit in the music videos too. Yeah, I don't mind. I didn't mind it being darker, but

but god, damn do I wish. I wish they would clear the floor so that me and my boys could do a choreyer graduate together, you know, Hula hoopia chain one time, you know, yeah, do it around the net. Yeah. Well, let me ask you, because we're we have to go to break that we owe tax money, We've got issues that we've got to solve here. But before we go to break, man, how much of this is a conspiracy theory you genuinely are brought into How much of this

is something you believe? All right? So I'm gonna be honest. So for a long time, I believe in it because it's something that everybody, everybody said in Atlanta. But then I got on Reddit and now a lot of people are disparaging it. And then I find that across the country is different versions of a lady don during the dance. People do it safe, so like it's like I think, like and there's I saw Texas Virgin what somebody did

it died South Dallas swag. You know what I'm saying, And so are you not open to the possibility that many people have died dancing? That's real. That's because like and I don't. I don't love admitting this. I've hurt myself at home dancing and that's not and that and that's but that's passive. But I'm saying that's passively. That's why I'm watching the dishes. I'm not even like in my room in front of the mirror trying to you know what. I'm just like, yeah, you know what it's

listening to. And if funk around and have like a girl you're you're deeply in love with watching, you might go a little harder, with a little more energy. I'm not going to go softer. I'm not gonna go softer. You got you gotta show what you can do. I got what I'm saying. What what dance moves? It's always it's always because I got I got this situation where like, waist up, it's easy, it's like it's it's it flows, it's natural. Waist down when the athleticism comes in to play,

I'm not if that's where it. So it's like I'll be you know, I'm doing the dishes or unloading laundry or some ship, and then I I feel that I'm slick, and then I try to do some foot ship and that's where it always goes. Well, okay, so you you at one point we're bought in, but now you are you are uncertain of its validity? Is that safe to say? A? Are you definitively out on the whole thing? I think for fun, I'm a stand on it that that girl

die rest in peace. I love that. I love that as a as an out for for this entire thing that we let's go to break fuck it, we don't have resident peace to that girl who died. Stand on your ship. We'll be back with more man doing more. My mama told me. Welcome back to my mama told me the podcast where David didn't realize he was introing. After the drop, we are talking to Mandel about whether or not a young woman lost her life in pursuit

of the lean and the rocking with it. Yeah. So so you you're standing on your ship, you're embracing the possibility that this girl did die. When it first happened, what was the what was the climate around your community? You know what I mean. You're in high school, I presume, or or your middle you're in middle school, middle middle school, is everybody truly terrified or they like, goofy, bitch, you should have you should have held your next stronger? No

were they were twelve kid strong. We were twelve. So people thought it was hilarious. People thought it was hilarious. Ain't gonna lie, which is bad. People did and I remember a lot of people kept snapping their heads back to see if it's gonna happen to them. But I think they was going through some personal but but a lot of them cancel for show. Was a lot of the people for sall like parents and stuff. They was like,

hey man, y'all relax, how y'all do that dance? You know, and came like it was like when people checked their candy for drugs, you know. Yeah, like people was like monitoring the dance just to make sure people wasn't gonna snapback next I got you it. It became enough that your parents got involved. It was assembly when we was

at the pep rally. Remember pep rally in middle school for for our basketball team, and um, the sixth graders had to sit on the floor because you know, seniority and so and so we were sitting on the floor. It's this part where like the band of playing music at the end, they'll be like scrubs, sit down. They will repeat that for us to sit down, because sixth graders was scrubs at the time. And I remember, if you was a tough sixth grader, you were stand up

because you had self esteem. And so what happened was in that moment were you sitting. I sat down, bro, because I'm gonna be honest, man, I didn't want to get I don't wanna get Donkey Kolm. It's system. I knew, and I don't mean that's as ament, but I knew you sat down because of the way you told this story where you're like if you words of this creator, but you didn't, Oh yeah, you didn't say they were they were standing. Shout out to them individuals. They all

they all did some stuff. But look so while they dancing, everybody started dancing. So people are laying the rocket, people, people just jigging in general, people doing the pool palace slash walking out whatever are you subscribe to? And then the principle stopped the band said hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Now, y'all better not be snapping them neck. We don't want to send nobody to the hospital.

And he was there serious, but everybody laughed and laughed, and people laughed at the idea of this lady dying and that more of us could have died. You know, we thought it was so humorous. Oh god, the the idea that an adult, literally the most senior adult in this still it is like, wait a minute, this is irresponsible what you young people might be venturing into. I love it. He had the heart to cut the music. I've never once in my life had something important enough

to say stopped me. Yeah, no, not one. Yeah, man, my principal arthopedic shoes. Man. He wasn't a fun guy at all, you know what I'm saying. He had He had a lot of hang time over the belt for a shadow to who I become and then what he and what he did when he when he stopped all fun and said, y'all stop that. Y'all stopped that, and then the band started the song go for So it was like a serious thing. It was a real serious thing, goddamn.

But honestly, people kept snapping their necks back and nobody died. I ain't seen nobody else die from it. Any injuries, any injuries. I ain't gonna lie. I seen I've seen somebody do like the twists with the leg. I don't know. Do you know who? Don't disrespect us? Man, don't from I know y'all from the midway, but still watch your fucking mouth tell your story. But didn't know who Fable is.

Just like something like he used to stand up. He stood up game and they they he would have stood up, and then they would have they would have jumped him, but he would have. So he used to do this thing where he would lift he would lift his leg up to his side and he would wipe off his fee lives with his hand. Remember that was a big move. Like people would do that. And I've seen one person to do that and they lifted up with too much

momentum and fell over. And but they lived whoa Okay, yeah, I thought you were about to describe a horrible knee injury, but no, this is just bad balance. That led to yeah, they slipped, and it was really embarrassing. Everybody like no, hey, you can't do the moon, like no, you ain't fable, and then for we like you think he fable, and then like, no, I guess I'm not fab because because you know, because I'm bleating pretty bad, I'm not faving.

You know, it's only three years. So you do one dumb thing, you socially stunted yourself the middle, you know what I'm saying. So like from that point on, it was like watch out for him, don't let him dance he goes. That is objectively not FABO for the rest

of this experience. And I love that sentiment because even if somebody could do the move, they're still not favor I'm saying nobody was in that gym no fu but for one thing, for short and that cat who no, no, no no. If ever you thought, like a Scooby Doo episode, We're gonna amask him and it's secretly gonna be fabo, it ain't because in a song bet you can't do it like Me. It's a song called bet you can't do it like Me, which is when they talk about

doing the central move like fabo. So just I did that Fable was going around and teaching people the actual move as if like a like a like a train, you know, like if you get to a certain level in karate, the master trying to come teach you. And so the ideas that he didn't have the central move, oh, that that fable Fable had not been called down to give the alternate instruction for sere. I know this might be a convoluted Well, this is I think a wonderful

transition into some of the research that I did. And according to we we were talking about the the idea of the possibility of of this girl dying. According to those haters over at Snopes, and that's the only way that I see them, there's not enough evidence on records showing that a person did in fact die during the dance to prove this to be true. However, and this is a very important however one specific to this show.

One of the things that they point to as empirical evidence of, or rather the lack of empirical evidence, is they say that if a girl did, in fact die, it would obviously make national news from if if a girl died from this dance move. I think it's like, you know how when when people were like, this is my theory, you know, when everybody was dying the COVID, and people were like, oh, they're saying everybody's dying the COVID, but it's really they had the pre existing conditions they're

drying off. I think that would happen in reverse in terms of a dance related death, because like if my kid died snapping, I would be like, no, he fell down, and some athletic person I wouldn't want to report it is like what happened, Like the cops come in there, like what happened to death? That's crazy? Yeah, No, so you gotta be like he fell down the stairs. It's like domestic of you. He died. He died trying to stop a fire. He didn't die dancing, don't be honestly.

He stood up at the assembly and they yeah, I like, I like the idea that somebody lying about what they actually died from. And he was doing now, he was praising and they got to jump him because they didn't want him to worship God, he was really insane. You know, I got I gotta, I got a question. I got a question. Who wrote that article that you read? Well, it's uh, it's Snopes, I think, is a website that's sort of like prides itself on on unpacking the possibility

of these things being real. I don't know specifically, although no, that's not true. There's a person named David Michelson who wrote it. And part of my issue, and maybe this is what you're getting to, is I don't believe that David Michelson has a great understanding of what does and doesn't get reported from the community. That black children and are kidnapped and killed every day that does not get reported, and they're treated like national news. So the possibility that

a girl dying it easily could go without being reported. Bro, he he ain't got his heir to the street. He got it into the sidewalk. And with that, that cat don't know what he's talking about. He wasn't in Atlanta. Here's here's here's my opposed argument to that. Why would? Why would? What's the motive for a line about that? That's what I'm saying, you know what I'm saying, Like, what does what does the city of Atlanta get out of line about this lady down It's not a point

of pride, I imagine. And Plus, if she was alive, she would have came out by now and saying, hey, y'all, I'm a CNA. Now, I'm definitely not all those other kids from the internet. You find them, the little boy drinking the juice like that he plays football. Now, poor boy, this ain't a cold sandwich. I just was looking at him. I was just looking at him on Instagram two days ago. She would have pulled up. She she would have been divorced by now and would have taught us like, hey, yo,

like she teaches deathal hygiena, I understand. Yeah, No, where is she? Yeah she does. She doesn't exist because she passed. And I think it's sick and it's people on that trying to trying to take away her legacy like that, because that's somebody who means a lot to this city. And we're not going to allow, you know, some some Reddit dude to try to descrace that. You know, I

love that you said that. Let's let's take it a step further, because I I actually thought that this I didn't know about this one of the things that you mentioned, and it's not clearing, or at least wasn't clear when I originally read the conspiracy is that she was a part of the music video. This wasn't just a random girl at a random part, but was in fact one of the people that you see featured in the music video and in the conspiracy theory, or rather the the

debunking quote unquote of this conspiracy theory. They actually liken it to uh a similar claim from nineteen eighty four featuring our boy David Alfonso Ribero. Oh, yes, there were there were claims in nineteen eighty four that Alfonso Roberto, who originally got his fame doing Michael Jackson impersonations and D's exactly might that that Alfonso Robero actually had died from attempting an impossible Michael Jackson move, that like he

had killed himself attempting to be Michael people. That was a room that was a real rumor that was spreading in the eighties. Are you talking my bro from from one on one? Uh? No, that ain't that flex Oh I thought he was Michael Jacks No, no, no, he although he if what Alexander Michael did dude. He did at Michael Jackson film. I believe where he I don't know, maybe a real night with David. What she said the

last name Alfonso Ribero. Oh, I thought y'all were saying flex uh flex no no, also Robero, you know from The Fresh Prince. He was Carlton on The Fresh Prince. Oh, the Carson. But he before he became Carlton got famous on like truly almost like it's as close I think as we could call viral back then. He became like a viral sensation for impersonating Michael Jackson's dance moves in a McDonald's commercial. That's hard. That's hard, man. I think

he was hack in the eighties. That's what everybody was doing. Shout, I mean, shout out to everybody impersonated Michael jacks Man. Good career, Jason Weaver, Shout to Jason Weaver, Shout out Alexander. They put he paint on him, they made him look wild. Oh man, that's not crazy. He made a wild choice participating in that film. He flex made a lot of wild choices. Do you remember Whole Boys? Of course? I remember Homeboys and I got one flat Sentenzana Snakes on

the plane. Huh yeah. Fix. He was a rapper who his and his and his security guard was Thompson had a chain on the entire movie five ft eight inch keenan Thompson. And he landed the plane. He landed the plane that they was like, yo, who could fly the plane? And the keen of times like I'll fly it. And he got to the fright here like I ain't never land u plane? And I'm like, why you do that? Kid? He figured it out. Yeah, I'm sorry. It was like

the third time we've talked about flex Alexander on here. Yeah, and I prayed it got it. We do it every episode, I think, don't they say in Seinfeld there secretly like a Superman reference in every scene. That's what we're flex Alexander. Come on, baby, there there's gonna be a Flex Alexander. And every little bit of this I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get a Homeboys and Outer Space T shirt. Please, let's let's wear matching T shirts for the first live Oh man, that is amazing that I'm

with it. One thing about that boy Flex of his twenty year career. One rather he was Kyla Pratt, Dad, he was dribbling the basketball. That boy kept a shape up, Danny. I was just gonna say a crystal one yeah before Yeah right, he was. He was overshadowed by Steve Harvey's wig in a way that he'll never get the same credit that he deserves because we spent right, we spent years praising Steve Harvey for this lie. Meanwhile, flex Alexander was sitting there beautiful the whole time, and we ain't

we ain't say nothing. You know who else had amazing hair? Who never gets his? Dude? Who's that fucking Martin? Mm? Okay, that's Martin's hair was always beautiful, clean, faith so well and it was natural and I feel like nobody ever brings it up. Also, I'm pretty sure the first person to wear a Pelly Pelly on television. Oh that that No, that made me very true. In season two he had the Pelly Pelly with the belt. Fox. Fox was making a bold choice with Martin when they made it, so

we were going to see some fashion that that. You know, the networks weren't ready for the first Pelly Pelly and the greatest shape up. That's good. That man had a great No, he did it. We can't ever, we can never take away. And he told people to wash their ass. It's he did it super employing people a half to do that. People have too. If you don't and get runk, whole life, get out of way. It's not going to bed late. Oh yeah, I'm not cleaning up your room.

Maketure the inside is clean and then the outside. You Yeah, it's the same thing. I couldn't agree more. I think, I think this is this is huge for us. Now. This is important because one of the things that along with liking it to to Alphonso Ribero and a number of sort of like weird conspiratorial debts that were said to happen with like semi famous people in the media, whatever. One of the things that that then drove me to ask is is there any evidence of people dying from dancing? Right? Like?

Do we have any actual evidence? And I got one. Oh, let's start with yours, because I actually are This is exciting, so so all right, y'all, remember all right, I'm sorry, I get along with it, but I'm a little socially in that, y'all. Remember, Thank y'all, man, I really I really thank you all for let me just the biggest thing never happens. So so look y'all remember and like maybe it's like nine nine, congratulations, it's Saturday, so your mom gonna let you stay past, stay past nine third.

It's a dude who come on the TV. Now, he got a blindfold, somebody's it's ABC. Somebody shoot a gun and he catched the bullet in his mouth. Y'all remember that dude. I it used to be on a magic show. He used to catch a bullet in the mouth. He's spitting the place about street magic magic. Yeah, but he did it on the stage now on that same show. Right on the same show, they would show previews to a news segment. What these people was dancing at a reception and then you can watch you can find it

on YouTube. They dancing that a reception and the flow gave out at a wedding and a bunch of them, who I think, yeah, yeah, but but he he didn't die, A bunch of them. It was like a whole wedding party. A lot of them died. They were doing the East Side sun. I actually I don't remember the magic show you're talking about, but I a hundred percent remember watching with my mom, which was very much a thing we were doing in nineteen Saturday night. Oh hell yeah, where

else was I going? This lady got I'm in the house. It's a good time. It's a good time. But I remember watching an episode about exactly what you're describing, these people falling through the floor. They was jig. I wonder what record it was, you know what I'm saying. Imagine what record made y'all stumped the flow up. Oh, I hope it was the Millennium. I hope it was. It was fucking I hope it was stormed Kirk Franklin. That's dang. They they got to go see him that day. That

was right. If you're praising Jesus and then you get to meet him immediately after, that's pretty tight. Yeah, that's all right. Man. If if there was all that Kirk Franklin church outfits, remember that when Kirk Franklin was like, Yo, we got we gotta figure out a way to get the youth in the church. We're gonna wear jeans, you know, that was like a big thing. He had a bubble coat too. That was before he got buff and and uh and also made up a new hairline for himself.

He was more at peace back then, though, I mean making up a new airline for I was on I'll tell you, I'll tell you the truth. I'll tell you the truth. I was on television. Once they hit me with the Beijing, I felt incredible. I'm gonna be honest with you. Your kids janged up one day that first day. That's a good time. Now, once you tell the shower, once you take that shower, you see the mistakes he made. True,

that's true. The shower does reveal all Beijing. Yeah, that's that's my issue with it is is I I love the experience and for a TV appearance that makes perfect sense. But truly, the next day makes you feel like the ugliest monster you you've ever been because that's a fresh haircut and it ain't. I kind of just from the house. It's white out for barbers. They got one. They got one at my barbershop. Nobody ever uses it. Yeah, this guy, HER's got it, and I've never seen any. But I

always I wanna. I want to look good. I want the whole. I want the up. Though that once you once you start, once you started putting a Beijing on that skull, you put on that skull and you put on that jawline. That's when you're never coming back. Star start singing R and B. Yeah, I think Carlos. That wasn't even shoot Paul. She looked like one of the brothers.

I remember one time I was at a smoothie place you do had Beijing, and his hairline started leaking because he was sweating, and then and then the Beijing dripped into the smooth and he gave it to a customer whoa yeah, yeah, fuck damn, I didn't. It's crazy because you said, I didn't know that you could work at a smoothie restaurant and have the money for Beijing. How much does it cost? I don't know. But but every literally everywhere I've ever been there giving that out for

free at barbershops to pay for it. Yeah, like I said, they got the gun at my barbershop. I've never seen anybody. Oh you're talking about the gun situation. Most of the time it's a little airbrush squeegee type joint that I've seen. That's how it is in Hollywood. When I got Beijing, that's how Yeah, I think with the gun, they'll charge you that that's not a given away. That's too much Beijing that one time, just break? Can they given them away by the gap? You know you can punch? That's like,

that's like mounting your own TV. You could do it. Yeah, now I don't do that. Call call call it a different man to come mount your TV before you don't, don't they put the business card on your head to make sure they get the lines right. That So, so you brought up this example of these people dancing through the floor. I dare to ask you all, and this is exciting. Have either of you heard of the dancing plague of fifteen eighteen? You know that I have? You have?

I have not. I bring it up all the time. Just the other day I was saying, remember that dance. I was like, you, guys, that's just wow. Well for those that don't know, and Bory, I know you're already versed in all of this ship. But but for those that don't know, the dancing plague of eighteen apparently involved more than one people dancing themselves uncontrollably to their own deaths. That's crazy. Why that? So? That's I love that you're asking that. And the truth is, no one still to

this day, fully knows what the funk happened. But apparently, I'll break the whole story down for y'all. Apparently there was this lady frou Froul Trofey who leaves her house one day, she goes to the city square and then she just starts dancing. She's in uh Straussburg, what is now modern day France, right, she goes to the middle of Straussburg. She just starts dancing. She dances so long and so hard that eventually she passes out from heat

stroke in an exhaustion. But then everyone assumes like, all right, Froul got that ship out her system. She's gonna go do whatever the funck frous be on elsewhere. But the next day she shows back up, does the exact same thing again the next day, to the point that's people other people start joining in and they start dancing alongside her, almost on some cult this ship, until four hundred people are gathered at a time dancing with this bitch. Frown.

I think I know what happened, Okay, tell me so back then, this is when folks just started dance folk. So I think it's two ways you can look at this. Either A they was like, hold on, what is girl doing? And then somebody like, no, it's hard, man, we gotta keep up with this and that joy, that endorphins, our wigh, food, water, shelter, and the willingness to live right or or if they

had limited range, they had limited dance moves. So I think back in them times, it wasn't about who could do the better dance mode, but who could dance the long You get what I'm saying, Like the marathon came before the sprint. It was it was quantity not quality. Yeah, yeah, this, well, let me say I love these I love these suggestions

of what happened. In fact, the suggestion that that dancing was created just shy of fifteen eighteen is is maybe my favorite piece of information that I've ever heard anybody before that before that, they was playing the music standard. Still, man, I have no proof. I have no proof people start jigging and then people started dying in So what's crazy is that that even what you're suggesting is not that much more absurd than what they landed on all the

way back then. A lot of people, naturally you guys uh are are smart enough to know they blamed the devil. That was the first thing that came to mind was them being like, what's the devil's doing? The fraud obviously is a center, and so are these other people, and the devil was making them do that. And in fact, they would often refer to this lore of St. Vitus Vetus, I don't know how to pronounce stuff, a Sicilian saint Martyred in three oh three, a d who was said

to curse centers with uncontrollable dancing mania. If anger, that's what his power is. Yeah, he's like, I guess he died, and he was like, if I get mad, dance crazy for he like the first hip hip? What's the call? Yeah? He the first one a and not a magician, bro, Just like what do y'all dude? So so the other thing that they point to as a potential explanation, this is not what people were saying back then. This is what what people have now sort of at least suggested.

Might be the conclusion that some also believe it was a result of effects of psychotropic mold known as ear got that basically grows on damp stalks of rye and then could produce a chemical similar to s L S D. That's probably the answer many days. Was she eating that mold? I don't think she was eating it. I don't think she was like having a big hold. I'm taking LSD.

It doesn't last for days. Yeah, well that's they're saying that, like, or at least the suggestion feels like it's saying like the rye had been an inhalent all over the city type ship. Oh and then they collectively, Yeah, everybody's scott high off this LSD in their homes and and across

the city and now they're dancing in Times Square. Doesn't tell me why I want to hear both the reasons why I every time because I I read I was reading something about there's some as ship that happened in like Switzerland, to where they was like the town was collectively on LST. Have you ever been on psychlic like psychotropic drugs around other people? Your experiences are not at all unified. It's not like it's not like that. It's

like everybody's kind of going through their own ship. So to get four hundred people who are tripping to be involved in this like group hallucination, it's like I call Shenanigan. Well, here's what I'll say is that you are presuming that the people who are not dancing are not high as well, And there could be an argument that, like everybody was high,

but everybody was having different experiences. And those were just four hundred people who had a line in terms of like, Yo, we're dance high, motherfucker's versus these other people who are like sit at home with their arms folded and think about did anything else weird happen in the down that day? Oh, there's not a lot of evidence of that. I think

they were real focused on the dancing. See then, know, if it was like four people were dancing, two people decided it's fun to steal from seven eleven people like did mouth stuff like befowing each other, then I would be like, oh, that makes sense, Like everybody's kind of acting out of here. I got you. But you know, nobody invented mouth stuff. Therefore it's it's unlikely that this was the thing that was happening. I don't think that. I think mouth stuff goes back as far as people

go back. You think mouth stuff goes further than dancing. I don't think. I think people have been putting it in their mouths since they've been putting food in there. Yeah, I think we have always put genitals in mouth. Hell yeah, Mandel, you are you're you're on the pro At this point day David took the con where where it explained to me why you believe this? That just sounds like geeker activity. And so I'm gonna go with Dad, that sounds like

some of the geek duck. Maybe the bread, maybe the robe mixed in with the LSD make you want to jig a little bit. You know, I haven't seen plenty of people jig on a lot of things. And maybe and maybe today it was LSD. Yeah, you put that bread with the LSD. You on that dance flow. You know,

it's just what it is. So one of the most interesting explanations that I found that I think, actually it's going to be a great connector back to this original conversation is the reference to something called collective psychosis, which argues that cultural influence, religion, supernatural beliefs, gossip right, might lead people to enter a disassociative mental state in which their normal consciousness is disabled, causing them to carry out

irrational physical acts. But this was in France, right, Why didn't they all start kissing? Well, that's that that's literally their thing. So I think what they're saying is the irrational would not be to kiss, but to dance wildly until you're that Literally. They describe some of these people as like being bloody from from having danced all day for two months. To wait, you didn't say two months. Oh I'm sorry, Yes, this lasted for two months. I've

been getting nigh this whole time. I forgot. So you said they the holly Ghost for two months. That's right, they called the Holly Ghost. Well that yeah, that's that's a way of thinking about it. Yah, that's that that is.

And I guess where it connects me back where I start to think about the original conspiracy theory, right is I think about this girl and how like Snopes and these other people that claim it's not real would say, well, it's unlikely that somebody would want to dance that hard or give that much energy to it and that would eventually snap their neck whatever, whatever, whatever. But I think we're really talking about like this, this cultural psychosis that

we could all find ourselves in. It's just us trying to one up each other and get further into sort of like a place of value with our dance moves, with our bodies, and that could force a person exactly. I understand that, Yeah, a person would suddenly kill themselves on on some just desperately wanting to be a part of this cultural imprint. I I feel like I've definitely been in a party and the time is right and the lights are hitten, and I'm like, I would kill you. Yeah,

what I'm saying, I felt that. I felt that before. I feel My only issue though, is that it was two month stuff. You get what I'm saying at some point, Well, what I'm surprised at that they didn't die without food and water before two months? Yeah, Well, I think that's what they're saying is that that's over the course of two months, a hundred people died. So I don't think that literally everybody that started with FRAU made it all

the way through two months. In fact, I read something that said that it was something like fifteen people a day dropping dead from whatever this was. So I think they started off dancing and then some people would drop out, some people get tired and not come back. But over the course of two months, this dancing never stopped. M hm, Well, people gotta chill out with that. That's what I got, And honestly, I think that's the best way for us

to put a stamp on this. I truly don't know a better way for us to end this conversation with with just hey, people, gotta chill out out with that. Look, if you hate cops because of the the next time you get in trouble, call crackhead, call him up. Man, they're gonna they're gonna dance to they die, dance to die because they're on psychotropic drugs. Huh, Mandol, could you tell the people where they can find you on? What cool should you have going on? Man? Don't find me?

Fire your lord and savor man um. Thank you all for having me, bro, I just need I love that. That's what you were about to go into is an acceptance speech. But yeah about thank you all. Shout out to Hot Comic Studios. So let me record here. Oh way to find me? Oh I gotta I gotta Instagram. Yeah, I gotta instagram the Mandol Man. Yeah, follow that, follow follow Mandel. I was. I was telling him before the podcast one of my favorite clips of comedy I've seen

in years is something and he posted it. Very funny joke, he told, so follow Mandel. He's hilarious. Boy, you want to tell the people where they can find you what you've got going on? Uh? Yeah, December three, I'm gonna be at the Crocodile in Seattle. In December four, I'm gonna be headlining Helium in Portland, and then you know, oh, November four, I'm gonna be headline in the Comedy Works in Denver. My little brother is gonna be there. He's

pretty fun. Hell yeah does he wait? He does comedy now. No, he'll just be hanging out. He's just telling. Yeah, well, gozie Bory goes zie boys, little brother, if you're in Denver and uh, as always, you can follow me at Lanston Kerman on all platforms and uh if you want to send us your drops, your conspiracy theories, your bullshit, uh send it to my mama pot at gmail dot com. We would love to hear from you. Okay, that's it, bye, bitch. Because of me, Bro Mazes, my crop chips in your

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