Color Me Sensitive (with Propaganda)

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cast propaganda. What's up? Dog? This is facts? And Steph Curry is definitely a topic of our conspiracy theory today. Oh, he touches it, he's in there. I believe it and man were born in a laboratory, nobody say, or just just missing white blood cells with all the dark cells. Yeah, especially the idea that him and Lebron were born in

the same hospital. I'm like, you mean hatched. Yeah, that is weird that that somehow these two freaks of very different nature very managed to exist in a singular spaces. That's that's rep very and proof of concept. Sure, all right, you're already touching on it. Let's jump in. You came to me with a conspiracy theory that upset me to no end. I would have mane, it made me mad, furious, I'd say, you said, my mama told me light skinned

people are sensitive. This is correct. Tell me more. Well, so there's my anecdotal experience, there's my just baggage from childhood, all right, yo say, and then there's the the quintessential understanding of what we all like to call light skinned eyes m M. And when you do the light skinned eyes, it's proof you're telling the whole world that you got feelings and can't nobody do them unless you light skinned.

Nobody else can do the light skinned eyes like light skin. Well, okay, let's let's start by explaining, because some of our listeners may not be familiar, we have some whitey's that tuned in. So give the folks at home that need the information, what exactly are light skinned? Okay, so flashback to like Shy Joe to see just the black boy band craze of the most attractive guy and all of these things.

What's what's the light skin do? He would do this thing where he would light skinned eyes is when you would squint but also raise your eyebrows in a way that I just don't know how physically you got your face to do that. And but for something, he lick your lips like l l and it was just like it was like, this is a cheat code. This is a cheat code that nobody else in the culture got and it just made me feel like, okay, and you can't call him on it because they get sensitive. Well,

let's let's be clear. It sounds like you and you're feelings a little bit about these life skinning eyes. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna bite my tongue because you're coming at my people, my community. I told you I had baggage, and I started off by saying I had baggage. Now I it's crazy. I just finished the pot for the straight no Chaser show. And you know, because she deal with politics and hood ship too, right, so she was kind of she was like banging on me, like, yo,

where are you from? You know this? And it so like I was trying to explain to her that, like, well, I grew up on the borderlands between black and Latino neighborhoods. I was from the east side of South Central so most of my neighbors were Mexican. So if that's the case, who were they more akin to and attracted to? Were the light skinned dudes. So when I fell in love with Yolanda Gonzalez, you know what I'm saying, I'm a

little too dark. You feel me landa like if she was gonna like a black dude, it was the light skinning one, you know what I'm saying. So when you live in these like its cultural spaces, because y'all are like, y'all like interesting, you like, at least to everybody else, y'all black with an asterisk. Now we knew you know

what I'm saying. We knew like the rest of us, you know what I'm saying, But to the rest of the world, it was like, oh they get he get a pass because you know what I'm saying, he light skinned, you know, yeah, are I feel like our black is like when they when they put those like the foam art in the coffee, you know what I mean, Like it's still coffee, but it's still still something in there that people are like, this is exciting, it's it's sucking coffee.

But you know they don't know. You don't understand that that's an espresso up under that. You know I'm saying. Okay, So so you see Yolanda, You're like, man, I want to be with Yolanda. Yolanda is not kicking that same energy back to you because you don't fall within her expectations of what ay quote unquote handsome person is. You know what I'm saying, Because she looking at she looking at Brandon over there, who I know, Brandon just light skinned,

but he looked Puerto Rican. If Brandon learned some spect this, she could pull it off, you know what I'm saying. So we got the curly hair, you know what I mean, some freckles you feel me so like he could pull it off, you know. And it was a part of my baggage that almost like again, I'm black. My father was a black panther, so I love being black. But I was in this Latino hood. So I used to think the cheat code was being Puerto Rican because you

get to be both. So I was like, I wish I was Puerto Rican because then I'm like that black different you know what I'm saying. They got curly hair and they speak Spanish like this. This seemed like the wind. Like I said, I got baggage. Feel okay, So this this baggage and I love that. I love the idea of like, damn, I wish I was Puerto Ricans at tight that go to home coming with me if Puerto Rican core all right, So, so you recognize at least that like there's a difference in the way that you're

being seen the way that you're being treated. At what point does it become sensitivity in your mind? At what point are you identifying light skinned people? I assume it's men and women are more sensitive than their darker skinned counterparts. Yes, now, trying to keep this comedy because I'm also psychoanalyzing myself as I talk. Now, I'll break it down. Man, Sometimes this ship gets sad and we like that too, Yes, because I'm like, I'm I'm clearly not in this state

anymore like this. I don't think like this anymore, y'all. Okay, just like preamble, I'm fine, I'm healed. They healed. I've learned my errors. But the idea is like I can't. I can't roast y'all because it's like, y'all get to you feel like these people trying to prove they black, so you or you're trying to prove you not black. So they just felt to me like there was such

an over compensation. You know what I'm saying, which I know now is because mixed race has very there's no space in our culture for a mixed race, you know what I'm saying. We have no categories for this there. So there's definitely identity crisis that comes from a longer history of racial tension and trauma. You know what I'm saying that when you when you fourteen, you don't know

you know what I'm saying. So so you fourteen and it's like you know what I'm saying, like, why are you trying to either overcompensate with what seemed like performative hoodness. You know what I'm saying, And I can't call you on the ship just like you sound corny, like you know what I'm saying, like why are you talking like this? Why are you doing all this extra ship? You know what I'm and and if I talk to you about it, you get super defensive, you know what I'm saying. Or

the other way around. It seemed like again white people come around. It felt like to me you were separating yourself from our culture and trying to up your white side. And it just felt to me like, man, you just you can't have it both ways, big dog, Like you know what I'm saying. You want all the all the benefits of being from our culture, but not none of the pain, because when it's time for the pain, you

know what I'm saying. You went to the other lunch table and I was like, and I can't say nothing to you about it because you get all you get all hurt. You feel me and like so to me, I was like, man, y'all just sense it. I can't talk to you about nothing. You know what I'm saying, then get just getting defensive, like you know, y'all got good hair, you know what I'm saying, like whatever, stuff like that, and it's not good here are black. You know what it's like. But listen, can you just like

your hair is different what you want me to say? Homy, like you know so well, so you're you're speaking to I think a number of important things here and there is like this constant and I always think it's corny when when makes people go I just don't know where I belonged. That the weights they didn't accept me, the black people they didn't like me either, And it's sort of like all right, dog, I don't know, be yourself.

But that said, I think that whether whether fair or unfair, that feeling of not belonging does sort of prompt a lot of the reactions that we equate with like light skin behavior, right that like you are hella defend pensive about a bunch of stuff that maybe other people would be like, I don't know, move on, be cool, bro,

for real, for real, That's exactly it. You know what I'm saying, And like you just just you know, traditional definitions beauty and just all of that now as an adult, like I see it now, sure, But at the time you just you have no yeah, you just have no categories for it, you know, Yeah, which is where I guess terms like good hair and good like whatever, qualifying like terms we have come from, right, We're not. We get older and we go, well, it's not good hair

is just different hair. It's just a qualitative difference. Where But instead at the time we're like, no, no, no one is better than the other one, that yours is somehow better there was And there's a part of you as like somebody on the darker you, like myself, that feels like, hey, you know, I don't understand what's so hard about this. There's no such thing as a dark scanned white person, you know what I'm saying, Like, there's

only light scanned black people. Sure you're black. I don't understand what the problem is, you know what I'm saying. And then again, growing up in a Latino space, I'm looking across the table at like one Carlo Ramirez, and I'm like, you black as I am. You think that black people didn't go to Mexico. I'm like, I'm looking, I'm looking at your grandfather, right, now I'm like, he's a black man work from Mexico. I'm like, you think black people in Mexico like trans Atlantic slade trade dog,

you know what I'm saying. I'm like, better cruise like that was that some American right, Like we sort of get taught in a really shitty way that America is kind of the only place that did slavery and the only place black people ever immigrated or were taken and brock to. So it's like, Yo, if your parents aren't from or your grandparents aren't from the South, then you have no sense of any history beyond them, And that

is blackness to be unaware of your history. Whereas like if a motherfucker can point to where they're from, nigger, I ain't black. I'm from there. That Dominican y. Yeah. Yeah, And that's and it's hurtful, you know what I'm saying. Like, as from my perspective, I was like, this is really hurtful because I'm like, first of all, I mean, is there a hidden camera, Like have you looked in the mirror, Like my Dominican brother, I'm like, you are black, Like

I'm not robbing you from your Dominican heritage. I'm just saying, like, what the what the hell? You? What is we? Like? What is the Scott Blue? Like you're a black man colors real quick into ethnic background exactly all the other jazz that comes with that. So you're identifying these sort of light skin traits and people the squint, the eyes, over sensitivity, the sensitive R and B singers. Sure, unless you can hear all of that, does that make you

resent light skinned people? Are you mad at us for our behavior? Are you sort of recognizing that we got some ship to deal with? I was, and it was like I was mad, but it was like eighth grade mad, you know what I'm saying. Were you really not mad? You don't know? You're not mad at them? You're mad at America, you know what I'm saying. But you don't

know you're mad at America yet you feel me? Yeah, you know, but you don't know yet, you know, so you know, And now it's like we'k a kid about it, you know what I'm saying, And just like the ship we're doing now, all that comes with that, But like the reality is at the time, Yeah, you're mad, You're jealous, you know what I'm saying. And because that type of black is being affirmed, you know, and there's like there's nothing I can do to somehow fit that you feel me.

So for me, a part of like just even the hair you see on my head now, part of the dreadlocks, you know, was like a rebellion against that was like, Okay, if I can't do this, I'm gonna go all the way to other way. Right, I'm gonna lock my hair. I ain't never gonna squint wide open, stay whoke, say squint squint for light skin. Yeah, I get that. I do think it's such a it's such an interesting thing

that I think happens in in black culture in general. Right, is that like we've been placed in a position where there are so many spots, so few spots to to be celebrated, to be recognized, to be affirmed, as you

put it. And so when you're seeing the people that are sort of in a weird way able to subvert their blackness, but they also be propped up as like the stars of the show, it has to be a super are frustrating thing to be like, that's who y'all picked, This is the one that you're gonna make the star of the whole game. That's crazy. Yeah, totally. It's frustrating to me. It just really is, It just really is, and it's and ultimately it was like I'm really I'm hurt.

I'm processing internalized racism. You're processing self. Hey, you don't know you are, but all I know is I can't stand Brandon right that at its scores. Really, I think how we get to solving some of the colorism and sort of like uh in fighting that happens in the black community, is we just gotta pick the motherfucker's we don't like. As opposed to sitting around talking about like the general idea of each representative group and all that stuff.

Let's just talk about Brandon. Let's keep our eyes and exactly yes. And you know it's like you I think of like the invention of Tyrese, you know that, like Coca Cola baby brought us back riding on that bus. You know what I'm saying, He brought us back. And I didn't realize again until I was an adult, like why I was like, oh, yeah, I needed him, you know, in a in a weird, twisted sort of way, like am I needed this dude? You know what I'm saying? As like just images of beauty and and what's crazy

is this? Like so my current wife, you know, I mean I didn't meet runtil we was, you know, adults. And my wife's my wife's a first gen Mexican woman, And she said she never thought about it till after she got married. That like when she was in high school, she had a Tyres calendar. She was already in the dark. Brothers, I didn't know. She didn't know either, all right, So okay, here's a question that I have that I've always been curious about. When do you think the waves happened? Right?

So there there are always these arguments that happened culturally where they're like, man, light skin dudes are out, dark skinned dudes are in. Dark skinned dudes are out, light skin dudes are in. Where where would you mark those waves that So you're saying Tyrese is a is a clear marker? Yeah, I would say period. Yeah, pre that, you know is when the light skin dudes was running the world. It was cosby showing a different world. You know, the two choices that Rudy Huxtable had, you know, she

chose the lighter boy, you know what I'm saying. And then on a different world, the light skinttingigg with the dreads. They ended up being in Janet Jackson's videos like just this gorgeous man, you know what I'm saying. And yeah, so then Ta Digs, you know what I'm saying. Morris Chestnuts, all these brothers had this wave. You feel you brought us back Omar and the Best Man. That's it, the Best Man universe. Really really let y'all live for us, let us in, and then entered shamar More and Boors

cool Jo and we were done. And then that leads into like the Terrace Howards and just all this other stuff that was just like, yeah, we can't. Yeah, I will say that at the point that they made shamar More the host of Soul Train, it felt like, man, y'all really right, y'all got a break because yeah, and he's beautiful, Like there's no other way around that. That man is beautiful. A goddamn weirdo, but he is weird

as hell good to look at. Yeah, yeah, okay, so these waves you're recognizing where these waves exist and then how at what point do you as an adult start to to stop feeling these feelings of resentment and start to like make peace with it. What happens in your life where you're like, all right, I recognize that this sensitivity that I'm I'm seeing in light skinned men's coming from something real and not just them being like weirdos

and and I'm good. Yeah, I think it's you know, moving moving around, going off to college, you know, experiencing Africans, you know what I'm saying, and just meeting people from just other parts of the world. I think having my own sort of aesthetic affirmed, you know what I'm saying, kind of made me step back and go like, what why was I so worried about what these forty people thought about me? You know, it's to the point to where I'm salty towards my own homie, Like I'm I'm

dragged Brandon, But Brandon was my homie. You Like, we're friends, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, why am I salty over him? Like what did Brandon? Ain't do nothing to me, you know what I'm saying, Like he's my friend, you know, And then you just started, Yeah,

you just started. It's for me. It was college you start asking yourself these questions, learning more about the world around you and how you know what I'm saying, All this stuff kind of plays into the bigger historical narrative and what I've sort of internalized for myself, and just start asking those questions. I mean, like, what do you mean, you know, what is the diaspora? Like what do you mean by that? Like, you know, are are they not?

Are these brothers and sisters not experiencing the same America you're experiencing? And in some ways, but in a lot of ways, yes, you know, like you are undermining the cause. You know what I'm saying. I like what you're saying. I think it. It sort of makes me think in

a lot of ways. And I've had this feeling for a while that I think the way that we talk about representation is wrong, that like we we spend so much time being like there's nobody that looks like me on TV, and so I don't know how to feel about myself And it's like, yeah, maybe, but more than that, what you need to do is recognize that you are

represented in other parts of the world. You're represented in a space greater than just television and like what's being propped up on the internet and so like, until you get the chance to see that, Like, yo, you exist in this country, in this place, in these foreign sort of like environments, then you are always going to be speaking the next bors Cojoe or Morris Chestnut or whatever it is that makes you feel affirmed in a in

an almost desperate kind of way. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that broader sense of the world, you know, like you said, is like for for a young dude like me, was like, man, that was invaluable just seeing the world bigger than where I was. And like you said, what I saw on TV because there's like, like you said, there's an entire continent of dark skinned people on TV, Like you know, like what do you you know? Now, You're right, maybe we're underrepresented here, but here is not the whole world.

And yeah, so that's like super, that's dope. Yeah. Okay, now let's get into some messy questions. Okay, let's just be real. Who do you think is the greatest offender as a light skinned man woman? Who's one that really you just see him? You're like this mother right here, I can't take it. Oh man, I mean are we obviously? I mean obviously Stacy Dash you know, she's she's high on this list. He's gotten lighter every year. She getting lighter every year. Yeah, so obviously her. Man, that's a

good question. Okay, let's get messy. Who was the most liked and he's light skin yeah, just and it doesn't even have to be that they're bad people, just true, does this squinty eyes does have the energy of all

the things that you despised? And oh man, I mean probably Uncle l you know what I'm saying, Like probably because he's like, oh man, he's caramel, he's buff he's just you know what I'm saying, just like God, damn it, man, you know I'm saying, like the coolest hell, he's an O G and hip hop like you can't take none of his crap from him, like she just he he real as it come. But just like him, man, like yeah, we can't be buffing into your And okay, still look

this good man that's there. Yeah, so he up there, he up there is one of the one of the greatest defenders the Sisters. I'm not gonna look, I'm not gonna touch that at all. I ain't that messy now, okay, because I'm super messy with the Sisters though. Okay, well give me, give me example well, I don't know, because nobody bothers me. I'm a big fan of every light

skinned person. We're perfect, every single one of them. I do think the person who always comes to mind when people like complain about like light skin behavior and all that, Drake feels like the most Oh my god, yes, how did I miss Drake? Who? Who's ever light skinned? Oh? How did I forget? Drake? Yes, he's the he is

the example. He's it's Drake. It's the template of it's the template you yes, yes, and it has a heart carved into his right now, all the rules that all of us learned through the middle school that keep the way that boys police themselves to keep each other in line. I just feel like he skipped all that because like you don't okay, you don't do the layoup line for like you ain't go to this school, you're not from this state, notion, you have no connection and why are

you doing this like that? But it's like and he could go because the flex and he's right because it is. But it's like that's most light skinned, this this light skin ship. I think. Yes. My favorite part of that is he's not even good enough at basketball to justify like joining the line, Like it's not like he was out there saucing you're not a hooper. Yeah, you're not a hooper. Like this is not even that's not even

your bag man, Like what yeah? That yes, And to be totally okay with like because he knows it's gonna sell records, to like turn himself into like a living meme because he knows it works. So you just like highline blaying video. He knew what he was doing, like you know, you know what you're doing. And he put on a comfy sweater and he said, I'm going to give the people what they've been accused from what they were being this entire time. Yes, and it worked. Listen,

the man knows business. And with that, okay, this this will be my final question before we go to break. Who do you think if Drake is the most defensive or uncle l depending on the timing and perspective, who do you think is a person who's handling light skin perfectly, who truly is not falling into the stereotypes and navigating this space the way that it's meant to be navigated. That's good. I think I think the two examples, I think Clay Thompson does it well. I love that you

said that. Gay Damn, he's my favorite. He do it well. I think Kendrick Sampson that's on Insecure, I think he handles light skin very well. You know, he's no delusion. He's like, I'm about this justice work. But this my white mama. Like what you want me to say? That's my mom. You know what I'm saying. So I feel like he handles it. He handles light scan well, okay, hell yeah. So anybody that's down to either be weird and just shoot a lot of shots and u and

or get beat by the police. It's good in your book. It's good in my book because you was like, I'm being me. You know what I'm saying. I listen, a sleeveless T shirt. You love setting man in a sleeveless T shirt. That's what I'm discovering. This is the fact I told you I'm jealous. All Right, We're gonna take a break. We'll be back with more propaganda and more. My mama told me we are back. Do you have your passport? Did you get your shocks? Girl with you

like to come back with rob to a bait? Come? Oh God, moment. This is a very low moment. Yep, we're back. We're back here with propaganda. We're back here, We're more. My mama told me we're still talking. Oh that was a drop that was suggested to us by a listener named Claudia. Claudia told me to play that propaganda. I did not want to do that myself. I'm not a fan of his work. Claudia loves him dearly. Is a low moment in black men. Slow, Yeah, I would

say not a great dark skinned man. Would you go so far as to say that, I would agree you are not You are not the gladiator we're sending to the arena? Fair enough? Okay, you you mentioned uh and this is something I've I've always been curious about. If this is now a thing that everybody knows or at least thinks about. Do you think the mixture makes a

difference in light skin behavior? Because you mentioned Kendrick E. Sampson, how he has a white mom, And I'm under the belief that if if the combination is weird, white mom's always tend to make weirder kids than than a black mom. Black mom. He tended to be all right, you do you're a little more chill white mom. Oh, that motherfucker's weird.

It gets just some weirdness that comes with having a white mama rather than you're saying, rather than like a white daddy, or like or a Filipino or it's just somebody exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, I would, I would have. I think I would tend to agree with that. Yeah, I think I would tend to agree with that. I

never thought about it till you just said it. But I got home from high school, who like, yeah, they his dad was like one of the coolest dudes I've ever met, and his mom was listen, his mom was wonderful. But like I, he is actually who I'm thinking of out where I had to like learn how to process that. Like, man, he's just trying to find himself, you know what I'm saying. Like, so I had to go back and like do some

historical revisionism about my feelings for this boy. You know what I'm saying, because just like man, he ain't never do nothing to me, do you know what I'm saying? Like that, that poor boy, he's trying to figure it out. But yeah, you're the white mom, so it's not coming from a place of hate. This is coming from the place of white mom, him and and we all got to figure that out on our We all gotta figure it out. All right, Let's jump into some of this research.

And I want to start off by saying, light skinned people are sensitive. Is not an easy thing to research, do you. Okay, that's not That's not something you just type into Google and suddenly it comes back with all of these these clear explanations of where this thing comes from. But I did find and n y you study that suggests that skin color does affect sensitivity to heat and

mechanical stimuli, meaning like physical contact. So okay, apparently darker skinned people are more strong as it relates to physical like contact and heat. That like you, you physically don't necessarily feel the same reactions that I guess are your lighter skinned counterparts tend to feel. Damn Yeah, no, Mike Shook, It didn't. It didn't make me feel good because there so there's this old and I've talked about this on

a few episodes. There's this old dude who basically invented gynecology, but he also did it by testing all of his experiments on slaves that like he he basically would like steal slave women and we're in crazy experiments on them. And he did it under the premise that black people couldn't feel pain, that like, physically their bodies were built in a way that like pain didn't they didn't have the same pain receptors that white people have. And this isn't proof of any of that. I want to be clear.

This is yeah. I was like, you know what I'm saying, Like yeah, but that said, it does sound like on a on a very minor level, there are different reactions that happen with darker skin versus lighter skin. That's man. My my wife is like a sun block Nazi, like just put on some blocks. She lathers our children with it. And and part of me is like, as a as a sign of my protests, won't put it on. Oh yeah, And I know that's ridiculous because I'm talking about UV rays.

But I'm just like, I'm like, God gave me sun block, what I'm saying, And but I I do. But my children do have they have a sun sensitivity, like they actually honestly like they need the sun block. You know, Like I've never I get darker. I've never healed, you know what I'm saying, But like they get like my my oldest daughter gets a rash if she's in the sun too much, you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, that's melanines are And that's the thing is that is

that you you technically are right. God did give you a type of sun block. In fact, the study looked at dopamine and the skin rodents they went to. They basically were like manipulating the skin and tones of rodents, and the dopamine creates this molecule produced by skin called melano sites type sitis. I don't know how to pronounce stuff. I'm not a scientist. I'm just a nigga with Google.

But they these cells determined skin color and they found that as they manipulated the dopamine, it increased expression of a type of molecule that basically is responsible for protection against heat, and it increased a type of molecule that's that's responsible for protecting you against physical contact. So darker meant that you got basically stronger again this ship, and then lighter meant that you got weaker against this ship. So when you say that lights skin people are more

sensitive you're actually technically correct in that stag. I will take it. I'll take it. I'll push back against you. Here's the part where I get excited, because I would argue that light skinned people, given the fact that we've continued to live in the exact same environments as our darker counterparts and lived amongst the same communities, I would argue we're in fact stronger and less sensitive because of our willingness to keep fighting through the pain that we're

constantly suffering in the exact same environment. Talk to me, tell me why I'm right. Oh, okay, whoa. That's a great, great way to phrase that. I'm a little shook right now because there is again that's I'm divided here. There's the like, there's the little meat, and there's the adult meet you know what I'm saying, So like the little me is going whatever, nigked yo saying like in the fact that like, yeah, we roast y'all mercilessly, and you do still show up every day, that's it, but you'll

be crying and ship. Yeah, But then again, let me not front like but as soon as I turned the corner on Avalon, I did not break into tears and that's being roasted to y'all hold it longer. Just truly is the difference in the way you handle this ship. But we're still coming back together as a community, and

that's the key. Yeah. And at the end of the day, I even think, like, I'm like, I just want you to admit you one of us yo saying and I think that, like one could argued, our bucking against everything that is light skinned may have to do with our

insecurity in ourselves. But tell nobody, I said that probably what's going on there show you absolutely correct, all right, I like this, I like in your head, let's let's go a little further down this train, because I in order to find more information about this, I had to sort of rephrase the way that we're dealing in this. And colorism, obviously is more of the ubiquitous term that we connect to light skinned, dark skinned, all these other things. And it turns out that the word colorism is not

as old as we would think it is. In fact, the original sort of conception of colorism doesn't come about until nineteen eighty three. As a term like it's it's brand new in the scheme of the world. Before then, there were other words that we used to kind of define it, but it went sort of nebulous in in the way that we talked about colorism before. Kay. So with that, one of the things that I sort of found is that part of and this is a lot

of people making arguments and articles. They're much smarter people than I am, but they made arguments that the reason that colorism went undefined for so long is an intentional effort on the part of white America that like, if they can so imbalance hatred all the things that we sort of that sort of exists in the black community without us figuring out how to explain it, then the infighting remains. But we never learned to get past it. Right, until you can put a word to it, you can't

defeat the thing that's that's taking you down. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. Thank Yeah, that's three because I think about like, yeah, our constitution only recognized two races until the sixties, you know, so like there's that idea of like, you know, you have people like there was this case in um San Antonio and this Latino do this Mexican dude like killed

this other Mexican dude. And when he was on trial, obviously he was found guilty, but his lawyer appealed, saying he was supposed to get a jury of his peers. He was like, it's all white people here. And they were like, well, see here's the thing. According to the constitution, you white too, so you know what I'm saying. And then and they were like, this is ridiculous these people. Look, yeah, what are you talking about. He's like, you you know,

you know how ridiculous this is. So like so having the buility into the constitution more than just two races, it doesn't. This is the sixties. So now don't surprise me that it wasn't until the eighties that the idea of colorism existed. And then how and to our shame, how so good at it? We got right and it. So that's part of the problem, right, is that it's not that colorism doesn't exist. It's that literally the word

doesn't exist. That they won't help us put a label on it, and because they want the fighting to continue without the logic that makes it reasonable. Much in the way that this dude who's sitting on trial is sitting there saying like, I am not the same. I'm not the same as what you would consider your opposition. But I'm certainly not the same as y'all. And I don't

just pick sides simply because you've picked sides for yourselves. Yeah, and y'all know that, and you know that, can you know tell people that because it's easier to keep them mad at each other than it is to help them

figure this ship out facts. And so one of the things that I ended up finding is that when it comes to looking up light skinned stuff in research a lot, there's a lot of articles of people being like, this was my experience as a kid and my being a mixed person, and it to your your point about motherfucker's being in their their feelings and and sort of like uh, light skined behavior. Every article just reads like somebody being like I wasn't black enough and nobody loved me, and

that's why I am who I am. It's like, Yo, you gotta relax, bro. This working out your trauma on paper like yeah, it never it never plays well because, like you said, you haven't really. That's why I try to lead out the box saying okay, listen, okay, yeah, I'm work. I'm working out my issues, all right. Uh, I got to unpack some ship now. That's said, you

say it, yes, And so with that. One of the things that that I think is one of the bigger mistakes that these articles tend to do is that they often do try to basically say that even if I'm light skinned, I am still black, and therefore I am still a victim and experiencer of all of the things that make being black in America difficult. And while that is true, light skinned people do suffer at the hands of whatever American bullshit is. It ain't the same, do

you know what I mean? It ain't. This ain't exactly equal in terms of the way that police handle me since the way that they would handle you or any of that ship like. And to not acknowledge that or skip past that seems pretty wild. That is all I ever wanted to hear from light skinned people. Oh hell yeah, I did it. It's just listen, man, I recognize there is a difference. Ye appreciate that because you because it was more like you get the side eye from the

light skin dude. That's just like when the heat got bad, you could just move to the other table and not just be like Nike just words. It's like what he's like, you know what you're doing man like. Well, that's the thing. It's not even that I have to move to the other table. I'll sit there and watch them beat you first, because they ain't gonna be mad at me the same. You know, I'm saying, you got that pretty caramel skin.

We ain't gonna mess that up, you know what I'm saying, Like green eyes, you feel they're gonna yell at me, but they ain't gonna hit me. You guys, they hit different different. Now, obviously we can't make that joke without

also talking about where that comes from. Right, So much of this is rooted in the historical context of slaves of slavery and the idea that lighter skinned slaves were very often descendants of the people that were sucking their owners and ship, and so with that they also were treated often with a sense of care and preference that wasn't afforded to their darker skin counterparts. That's where the

house slaves come from. That's where you know, all the conversations about sort of like light skinned behavior, I think are first found absolutely, you know, and then if you can in your mind's eye like pull the like you said, pull the pull the camera out a little higher to be like they're victims of rape, man, you know what I'm saying, Like these are products of rape, and how mad at them for that? You know what I'm saying. Like when you could get the camera out, you know

what I'm saying. But like, but now while you in the thicket the ship, like you can't get the camera out, you know, so you're just like all I see is you treated better, And like somehow you build this resentment, like like you act like you deserved this ship, Like you act like you deserve to be treated better, you know what I'm saying. Then, so were out in the field like this, you know what I'm saying, Like and

and yeah, that's interesting. You just build that resentment. But again you get get far enough, you get enough space from it where you just like s wools, just trying to survive. Man, Like you can't help you know what I'm saying. Can't help what happened to you? You know what I'm saying, And like, oh, what happened to your your mama? You know what I'm saying. You can't help that, you know So, I mean, I mean, wouldn't you you could move into the house, wouldn't you move into the house.

And that's the hard part, right, is that we're all just handing down trauma. We're all handing down different experiences, and we can't dismiss those traumas, but we also shouldn't be equating those traumas. Like I think, trauma is it by it's very definition personal, it's something that that it's truly only happening in you and your spirit and your experience. And sometimes we can identify share traumas, but that doesn't mean that everybody gets to just be in this shared

trauma together. And so to that, one of the larger conclusions that I found myself thinking is like, man, we kind of fucked up by wanting to make everybody the same. And that's a very American thing to be, like, you're all black, even though none of you even look alike, you're all kind of the same thing, and you'll just unpack your trauma together when the reality is, to your point, my ship comes from a type of colonization and rape.

Your ship comes from a different kind of colonization and rape. We shouldn't be talking about them together. We kind of need to go to a separate therapist and well come back together. Is as separate people's healed, yeah, and being

able to like speak freely, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And plenty of other countries have sort of like in some way started to at least acknowledge that there is a separation between these communities, right, Like you look at South Africa, where like they do have now three distinctions at least of like the way that they break down race that it's the white people, it's the colored people, and then

there's like the black people. And while that is super fucked up in terms of the way that like resources are disseminated, it is at least more honest in terms of like the cultural experience that these people are coming from. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's crazy. How like you we could look across the country to an apartheid and be like, well, they pick

out something we could like. Damn, that's kind of that's they got a lot to go, you say, Damn, their lives sucked, but man, they did the math better than

we did a little better. Mad does make me feel, ultimately though, that that if white people didn't act like such dickheads, we might not even want to see ourselves as the same race, right that, Like we might find ourselves going like and in a beautiful way, not in a way that's like us going like, y'll give me the funk away from these people, but more just be

me being like, his experience is not my experience. It couldn't possibly be, and that's okay, And I can celebrate that experience much in the way that you talk about

celebrating your wife's experience, even though it's different than your own. Man, that's but us super profound cud yeah, because it's like, yeah, the the we would have a different understanding of diet, of the diaspora, and like the just pan ethnic terms that like ultimately, like you said, they really only serve whiteness by like even us using these words, it only serves that, you know. So it's interesting to be like if we would just reject them and just be like, no,

we're we're vastly different from each other. We have a shared suffering, but we're also vastly very different, and I could celebrate you know, this experience much different than and you wouldn't have to feel like you have to compensate. I remember I was I was dating um, a Belizian girl, and for a long time, and we kept running up against this often you know what I'm saying. Of like I thought, I was like I wanted to honor her

Afro Caribbean like history, you know what I'm saying. But she was very adamant of being like, but you know, I'm black, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, but you're not black like I am, you know, and it was like but it was it was honestly like a point attention that like I just yeah, we didn't have we didn't have the language for at the time, because she's reading you're not black like I am, as a light against her,

somehow diminishing her blackness. In fact, you're just saying like, yo, you didn't experience the same version of blackness that I exactly, and that doesn't make you any less black. It just means like different flavors, you know what I mean, Like

different styles about this ship. Absolutely because in my mind I was like, I think it's dope, yo, saying I think it's that's that's dope, you know what I'm saying, Like I just did it, but I didn't know how to be like like you said, I didn't know how to articulate and just say no, this is it's another expression of blackness. Dan that's man. You you know you wanted something. And see, that's my ultimate goal. If I can figure out a way to make motherfucker's treat squinting

and getting in your feelings as cultural. Now we are moving forward as a society. Thank you so much, propaganda, Thank you for inspiring me. I am not ready for that hill. I'm still I'm still ascending this hill, brother, Lex, I'm still not there yet. I might not get there. I was saying, but that's that is a good wrap around to me having to accept the pretty boy, light skinned sensitive. That's culture. Baby, it's culture. You can't I can't be mad at culture. And you had to do

what you had to do to survive. All right, we're gonna take another break. We'll be back with more propaganda and more. My mama told me and we that Oh yes, Ken Linda Nigga, Yeah, we're back here with more propaganda more. My mama told me that I was a fun one. I was really surprised when I think I thought of that. I'm pretty sure that was the one that I thought of. I don't want to give credit to anybody else for

that one. Anyway, We're still talking about light skinned people and their light skinned behavior, and their squinty eyes, and their their sensitive feelings. I want us to play a game. Let's dig into a game if you if you're down, Hell yeah, this is a fun game. It's it's one of our most classic games, which you personally requested, is

a game called homemade Hotep. So the way that this game works, I'm going to introduce to you a real fact out in the world, a fact that that is that is a true I would love for you to do is hotep the ship out of it because add as much hotep and and conspiratorial afrocentric Pan African bullshit to it to make it as as hoteppy as possible. Let's go, hell ya. So this is an interesting fact. Apparently Uncle Ben's rice was air dropped to World War

two troops during the war. At the time, they basically figured out that Uncle Ben's rice they had put some chemical in it that kept it from getting infested with bugs and eaten by rodents and ship and so they would drop it over the troops during World War Two. Why propaganda do you think that is? Well, because so you dropped the Uncle Ben's with the chemical things because you know it was a sign that they have been experimenting with black men for years and what you learned

is that we are just resilient. So when you bring that to the war did two things. It won. It reminded these white soldiers that you're still being fed by the slaves, right, and so it makes them remind them of like the America that they miss, you know what I'm saying. And then for the brothers, it reminds you that like, can nobody kill you? No matter what you're doing,

can nobody kill you? You know? So when you put the two together, because you have the brothers out in the front line and they needed something that reminds to them of like, look here, you know what I'm saying, You resilient. I know. I know back home this how they treat you. But I want you to know, man, you know it show it shows. It's your homemade chip Linds to get you through this. Tell me, you know what I'm saying. We make treasure out of trash. You

understand what I'm saying. Treasure out of trash. That's what we do. So when you on there, you know what I'm saying. You stay in your fight, you stay in your game. You let them crackers think that they're taking care of us. You understand I'm saying, but that we take care of him, we take care of him. M there it is there. It is dropping that knowledge hall mother, there it is. What a perfect, perfect response the homemade home dep I love it, you killed it. Thank thank you,

thank you so much for my pleasure. Could you could you tell the people at home where they can find you what cool stuff you have going on? Yeah, so prop hip hop dot com and prop hip hop is also my socials. I just put out a poetry book. Look, so that's available there. I'm totally in the coffee you can get that there. That's what I basically tweet and post about his coffee poetry and the Lakers, and one of those said, right now, please don't remind me, Please

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that's the way to get to everything. Hell yeah, go to prop hip Hop and check out all this stuff. And as always, you can follow me at Leankston Kerman and please if you have drops, if you have theories that you would like to send, you can send them to my mama pod at gmail dot com. Yeah, that's it. We did it, by bitch because I'm brown, bases my crop chips in your hands, Uncola mares are racist. They also players past the money versions defending turney stuff. I can't tell me, God,