"Cold in Their Bones" with Naomi Ekperigin

Timothy McVeigh, Yes, Timothy McVeigh, brown listering. I think if we really wanted to test people's character, if we wanted to get into like some minority report ship and start predicting crimes ahead of time, all you have to do is wait, keep the list, keep a list of people doing brown. It's like Suda fat. You know, you gotta give him an idea. If you want sudof, have you to the idea you're getting brown listening. You gotta write

down your basic You got all the information. Yeah, I'm not gonna rest you on spot, but you better believe the n s A is keeping tracking yours from now on because from chips in your hands, ask are racist? The host hosting money turn stuff? You can't tell me whoa there it is, there it is. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to another spectacular, devastating episode of My Mama Told Me The Podcast When we Dive deep into the world of black conspiracy theories, and we worked to finally answer

that question. Who the fuck is Herman Kine's ghost going to vote for? We need to know the answer to these questions. My gut is telling me Kanye. He seems like a Kanye man. That's the sense I'm getting. But we'll find out either way. We're happy that he's dead, and more importantly, we're happy to be here now. I'm

your host. Links think Herman, I'm doing well. You're moving through this podcast and every week I listened to myself and I'm becoming more and more aware of my lisp, which I went to speech therapy class to get rid of as a child, and apparently it didn't work. Either that or my teeth or somehow rebelling against my tongue. Who knows. I'm not happy to hear it. But you know what I am happy about is my guest today. She's wonderful. She's hysterical, one of my favorite comedians. Do

you know her from Two Dope Queens on HBO? You know her from her own podcast called Couples Therapy. She's hilarious. Give it up from my guests Naomi at Paragain, Hello, you gotta manufacture applause because we've been bested the pandemic. So just give me a little bit of that. I went door to door and got a bunch of people to clap individually and mushed it all together. Perfect, perfect, Thank you so much, Langston, you look well good to thank you over Zoom. After all this time, it has

been a while we haven't. I think the last time we saw each other was was Zooming, probably a month ago. We did that. That's that benefit show that you hosted, and you were very funny. I hosted Henny blessed. I forgot. I forgot. I don't even know what you're referring to. You're not invested at all. I love that, and we're saving sick children and you are completely invested. I did my part. I did my part for the community, you know what I mean. I'm always I'm just always of service.

So I don't even think about it anymore. I don't even know what I'm doing. I just show up, I suit up, and I show up. Okay, the sacrifice is constant. Therefore there's no reason to just sit in exactly exactly. That's just it. I get it. How How are we doing? How are you handling Henny? I take two melotonin gummies a night, sometimes a pepto bismal chaser. Okay, and I just you know, I told myself too. I was like, I'm gonna use this type of quarantine. Oh, I'm gonna

come out so skinny you don't even recognize me. I'm about to get staged in car girl went up, went up a size, and so, you know what I mean, trying my best. I feel like everybody sort of had that same sense of things. But I do think the people that are coming out of this buff or or skinny, there's something wrong with you, you know what I mean, Like you're going like, why are you thriving in the middle of everyone else in chaos? Okay? Do you know? I was talking to one of my friends, like one

of my best friends. She's in New York and um we were talking and I was like, how you doing and she was like, I'm doing great. She was like, you know, I don't really like to be around people. She's like, I'm in the house, I'm reading my books. Her and her wife just got two cats. She is literally thriving in car. I was like, I'm gonna reach this phone and punch your ass. Okay, I was like, I'm gonna punch you in the throat because she was serious. She was not trying to be funny. She was just like,

I'm feeling wonderful. This is the best gets for me. And how dare she exactly? You know what I mean? Like, how dare you enjoy yourself to that level? And even if you are shut the funk up about it, thank you. I'm like, you don't tell it, you don't tell it, you go I'm fine, you say fine, you don't go to a funeral and brag about how cool your suit is. We all see it. We see the nice suit, focus on the dead man. It's true. It's true. It was just like, oh my god, it's out of control. But

we've spoke, and it took some work. You you struggled through the assignment, but you came back to me with a wonderful I'm very happy for us to be digging into it. I feel like it's it's a conspiracy theory as old as times. It's a an antique, if you will, of conspiracy theories. But you told me, my mama told me white people don't get called. Yes, yes, I will say this right, the slid adjustment was. She told me. The fact was really, you know, white people like it cold.

They like it cold. They love that cold in their boons, you know. And so whenever I was going to a Caucasian household, you know, I brought a sweater, I was told to bring a sweater, bring a layer. If I was doing a sleepover, you're taking the long pants, you know what the people. So it was a lot of like that. So this was like, this was actually coming

from your mother. First of all, that your mother was was in fact telling you this, and all of this was just in preparation for dealing with the white man's world look like. And I take a premise very seriously if you told me the title of this podcast is my mama told me. I'm not gonna tell you something I heard on the street. I'm gonna tell you what my mama told me. How and honestly, how dare I ask you to break premise? You're You're an artist, and I appreciate that about you, but I love that, I

love that you heard this from I'm an artist. I'm a professional. So now, as you know, I famously went to the Dolls in the school, a private school in New York City. You know, apparently we're Jeffrey Epstein taught hello, hold on, I'm gonna pause you there. That's how they get the go ahead. Tell me more So, I started dolls and in sixth grade, and that was like literally my intro to like being around white people. Because I grew up in Harlem. My dad's from Nigeria, my moms

from Detroit. My world was black. Okay, it was several kinds of black, except for like exactly, I always say, it's like Spike Lee plus the Lion King. We were giving you both energies, okay, an African moment, a Detroit moment, and like, but obviously through pop culture, you know, I knew like white people. And I remember thinking when I was gonna start school there, I was like, I thought the white people would be nice, that's how they get you.

And then that and I remember thinking white girls wash their hair every day because on TV shows, like more kids shows, like I remember saying by the Bell or something where like one of the characters like Kelly would be like, I'm washing my hair and that would be the reason why she would like not go somewhere that she would be able to go somewhere because she had to wash her hair then, right, So I was like, oh, they just wash their hair all the time. Those are

the facts I went in with. And then my mother, you know, very much in advanced was like, okay, you're about to go to the school on Park Afnu, We're gonna have to just run through some basics, you know. And I was like, and like any time I would say, i'd be like, because it's freezing at school, she was like, because the white people like it. Come on now, okay, okay, Well didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know this was on the starter, she I s, did you not

read to the bottom there they're they're never chilly. They they enjoy the cold. And then I believe you said they love it. That's so fascinating. The hair part I had not heard. But I did personally also think that white people wash their hair all the time, because similarly, in watching television, they always left the bathroom drying off

the air after a shower. I thought, you know, it's like always they're walking out the shower and they're like drying their hair before a phone call from the murderer. The girls always had like the towel turban where they're like what are you doing? You know, like gym class showers on to they'd be washing their hair and gym

and ship and Black people would never do that. I'm not showing up with shampoos and rock conditioners for did people even take I mean again, you know, because I grew up in the city versus like suburbs, like were there actually do people actually take showers and gym? Uh? I? We did not take showers after gym class, but we did take showers after like basketball practice or like okay

at school, you wouldn't just wait till you got home. Well, it was less of the practices and more of like sometimes we had to practice and we had a game and then we would just like be hanging out because we were trying to get girls to like us and ship. So you too, you took a shower because you were musty from rea early hours of running around with other musty people. I mean, the idea of practice and then the game seems too much, that seems overwhelming. You know,

I'm not active. You know, I'm not active. I'm famously inactive. I I think what it was was a bunch of grown men making up for their lost time through us, so like, we're gonna turn you boys into machines instead of being reasonable and being like, hey man, I'm not sure that I'm built for this. I'm actually probably going to run a comedy podcast. I'm probably just gonna be a silly Billies so you don't have to run me quite as much. But did they like assume you were sporty?

Because I know when I started, so I'm about five eight. I was proudly five six as of age eleven, so I was like, so I was tall when I was younger than kind of stopped growing. But people were always like, you gotta play basketball, and so they kept trying to give me to play, and it was like, I don't like competitions. I don't like sweating in public. There was

an eight team and a B team. I got on the B team and literally they were like, could you just like raise your hands and try to stop the ball? You know what I mean? They're trying to shoot it. And that was because I was like, I'm not here, thought is like, why are you all so intense? Why am I needing to stop the ball. This person everything they wanted wanted he or she deserves the opportunity to put the ball in the basket. I feel that way.

I'm very like I just was not. Yeah, like competition in that way never really kind of registered for me, or like the symbolism of like for the team, for the school. It's like, who cares? Does that remain? Now? Are you still I'm sure you're not doing sports, you're not. Thank you for understanding famously, but do you not have anything in your life that you're like competitive over or like a thing that you're like, Okay, sure, jealousy, but

that's not the same. I am dreams and I wonder how other people have achieved them already so so much younger than me. But I don't have this yeah, like you know, the jealous right, We're like, I don't think other people, not most of the people, but I don't think most people like if they get something, I'm not like they shouldn't have it. I'm like, I just wanted

to why the fun don't I also have exactly? It's not me being like except for every now and then, you know, if you're a TikTok star and didn't you comedy special, then I get stressed out. Let me be clear. I'm a hater, so I be wishing the worst on people that I get along with. Fine, it's not even like we have a bad relationship, but oh my soul ain't good. So i'd just be at home, have you always? Because I don't think of me that way. You know,

you're such as you have such a sunny disposition. You're like, you know this like biracial Zach Morris, giving us that man about town energy, you know what I mean, giving us cold smile, giving us queen wife. You know, I mean, you guys are coming through evoking a Howard University energy into the room. Now, my wife is the energy that that we present. And I am an evil sort of like a guy twiddling his fingers at home. And she has to constantly be like, hey, man, maybe don't be

this way. You don't get it, you don't get what I am. And then you know, I try to convince her to stay. That's pretty much the relationships. Well, that's good. She you know, she's staying. She wants to be there. She's staying. I don't know for how long, but apparently she's staying. Let me ask you this. Okay, we're talking about white people in cold uh were you put off

in seeing their their behaviors and cold temperatures. Was this something that you were like, y'all are different than me, or was this just like, oh this is new Oh yeah, I thought it was Psycho. I had a friend in college, I mean high school again also Dalton. He wore shorts every single day in New York City basketball shorts, okay, giving you a thin mesh moment in December, and I remember just being like, what the fund is wrong with you?

Or like the kids who would they lived in the neighborhood so not far, they wouldn't wear a coat because it was like, oh, well, I'm just gonna walk tin blocks and it would just be like T shirt. And you know New York is like it starts getting cold in New York in October and it's pretty much cold until April, and so people, I was like, this is crazy to me. It was very very crazy to me. Did you ever ask like why are you doing this? Well?

Are you not cold? And he'd be like, no, I'm not cold, And I was like, are we really that different? You know what? That's what made me think. I was like, how are you not called? Meanwhile, was somebody who you know New York winter, Honey, My mom taught me I was wearing tights under my jeans, you know, like another leg, and I'm like, I'm literally freezing. Would keep them on all day, not even like change, And I know, just in case that cold get up under their I got

another layer to protect me, a wall. And yeah, that's the fascinating part. I love. I love what you said about are we that different? Because it is. It's a scary revelation seeing the way the whites have handled the cold for so many years, Because we argue constantly that biologically we're not that different as a species, that like most of our arguments about race are purely built on

like systems and hatred whatever. But then you get to fucking November and you see the white people are behaving outside, and you're like, well, maybe some of these eugenics claims are there's some some value there, And it's not that they're smarter than us, it's just that maybe their bodies are built differently. Are actually do they have duller receptors as a result of not being beaten sure for four hundreds of years, Perhaps the skin, perhaps the receptors just

don't sense the chill that's fair. I have to assume tender meat freezes at a different temperature than hard meat. And they just got that hard meat that ain't been beating. It ain't tender and heed ain't been tenderized. It's a nice way of putting it. Okay. So so you're seeing these kids walk to school, You're seeing them behave sort of uh loosely freely and the terrified and and you're terrified. You're not really sure how to process this. Are are

you then making choices to stay away from them? Is this? Is this putting you off? Do you know what I mean? Like? Is this I didn't have that choice, right like if they were the only people I could interact with. So

it wasn't it wasn't that. It was just very um, it's just interesting, you know, when you're in a situation again as like the only black person I would have a few black people where you're like you almost feel a little crazy because there's not really anyone else you can talk to about it, do you know what I mean? So like unless I go home and be like oh my god, but it's like too late, you know, to talk about how someone didn't wear a coat. That's not

a good story. But at the moment, I'm like, this is wild, right, and like there's no one there to kind of say you're correct. You can't go back to your mom, like, Mom, I've got a good one today. They don't wear a coat, and she's like, yeah, I don't know. That's not a great You got to give him the hits, right, Okay, but you and this is interesting because you are married to or engage penny ten years strong. You can just call it common law at this point. You're common law with a white person, yes,

who likes it warm? Can you imagine? I found someone It's funny though his andy in general, his like hands and feet will be cold. Like I remember the first time I held his hand and I was like, you're freezing, yes, and there it is. But he doesn't like to be cold. So he's like, yeah, I get cold really easy. He's like really into being toasty warm. I found the one. He likes black women. He likes being warm. This guy's breaking all the rules. Well he says it's because he's Jewish.

I don't know, but he's like he's like I really think he's like we're in a liminal space. I do think that there's probably some some truth to that. As a as a half Jew, I I often find that chosen, I didn't. I'm half chosen and the other rejected. One of one's chosen, the other one isn't doing is hot. But you know we're trying. So your dad is a Jew? Boo, My dad is a Jew. Boo. You should I should have known this. I should have known this years ago.

He married black twice. So he did it twice. Yeah, okay, first first one better than the second. Not a fan of the second one, but that one, she's a nice lady. Where did he grow up that he, uh was so keen to take black lovers? It was a different time. That's why I say that it's a different time. No, it was a very different time. So my my father grew up in Cincinnati, Ohio, to a relatively rural area of Cincinnati, Ohio. Uh that or at least suburban at you know, a mix of that. Weird, it's it's back

when suburbs kind of had like acres. Yeah yeah, Um that said, he had no reason to behave the way he's behaved, you know what I mean, Like he didn't have to do this. Nobody was encouraging this. My grandparents weren't happy about it, but my boy, my boy made some choices and really stuck it out. That's amazing appreciated. I mean, I mean it's for the best, for the best because you book, you know what I mean, And

that's the chosen part of you black. Sure. You know how much of Cheerios commercial loves a curly hair vaguely black person. Oh man, they love that to just put you in a commercial and they can't quite tell you got a Bruno Mars energy, except they don't want to see where you came from. Because you remember, there's a Cheerios commercial with the interracial couple and people got angry. Theerious they were. They couldn't believe that this, this clearly

biracial child in fact, had two different race parents. They were so mad. It was so wild. But it's just like so interesting again. It kind of goes back sometimes like like symbolism to me um or expectations around concepts. What I'm saying is, what did you want Cheerios to do for you? Like attachment to what Cheerios is meant to represent? Yeah, like you know what I mean, How how invested are you in capitalism. That that the way they sell it to you, you know what I mean.

Just you just want cheerios? Do you like the ship or you don't exactly, you don't need them to sell it to you in the exact way that Like, it's like being angry at the magic Trick for not doing it the way you would have done it. It's like, bitch, the dove came out. Just enjoy that came out. It's yeah, it's weird. It's weird, but okay, So Andy likes it or warm, Yes, he likes to be warm. We're on the same temperature page, which I think is crucial to

any relationship lasting. Yeah, I believe that. I think if you were not on the same temperature page with your partner, it's going to cause problems. I do think that that's very true. My wife and I similarly. I get very cold, very easily. But I also prefer it colder in the house because I think that like you sleep better when you're like naked and afraid kind of energy, you know what I mean, Like just that cold outside and you're you're tucked in and yet move that's a good See.

I hate that because like that feeling when as soon as you move, you like hit a cold spot in the bed, you know what I mean. And then like I feel it like it wakes me up. I'm like very warm all the time. That's like part of why I don't like l a. I sweat like Whitney r I p like naturally, like I'm very much like ten seconds outside beat it upper lip. Okay, that's how I am in the world. To be clear, Whitney sweat wasn't natural. That was that was a kind of sweat. I'm aware,

but I shared her affliction without her addiction. Sure it is, there is um but at the same time, I feel like I have such a narrow window of comfort, like I don't want to be cold with Like to me, the best temp is like seventy three. Oh oh you're one. Oh that's hot. What for me? We're at sixty nine And not just because we're nasty, but also because that's the preferred temperature temp. That's the temp I like to

be warm. And then like I'm in my house, I'm in a short a t a little flip flop, you know what I mean, Like I like to be Yeah, like I don't know, I've got to be I've got to be toasty, I like a breeze. But then also I don't know, I wake up like in a cold sweat every boarding, so that could be another issue. Okay, yeah, I'm not sure that that is related at all. That feels like trauma. Maybe I don't know that that trauma has anything to do with the temperature. You probably be

sweating through that either way. Okay, so you guys have a share temperature, you're comfortable. This is something that I do genuinely before we go to commercial, and this is very important for me to understand. Do you think that when people were saying they weren't cold that they meant it? I absolutely do. I absolutely do they, Henny, I think

they were just walking so care free. You know how when it's actually physically cold, you tend to kind of tighten your body up if it's sort of you know, put your head down, And it was like a summer day for them, just walking leisurely, head to the sun. And that's how I was like, oh, you, this is not a game. And like also to wear shorts every day,

you know, and then just be like yeah, this is fine. Right, Well, that's my fear is like I and part of The reason I asked, I guess is because I do know that as a high school kid, there were things I did that I just made. It was my thing, right right, So you what you don't want to be is like, well, I wore shorts last winter, so now I'm the shorts kid in the wintertime. Kind of like we had this this dude, Coach Hopkins, he's dead r I p Coach Hopkins,

Witney and Witness, both of them. I hope they're hanging out together. But and Herman Kine. I hope Herman Caine, Whitney and Coach Hopkins are all having drinks together in heaven. That said, Coach Hopkins used to wear shorts every single day in Chicago in the winter time, and we would be like, hop why are you why He's like, oh, man, I got diabetes. I can't feel nothing in my legs, and so like that that made sense where I was like, oh,

that's a very clear explanation. But also the shorts just became your brand, so you're you're mixing these two things. But when you're a kid, there's no explanation and it just is branding is like I'm the mess shorts kid, and everybody like I guess so, Dylan, Yeah, it's what the world. You believe them fully, fully fully like those that was comfort. That was comfort, It wasn't fashion, and it was just I'm haunted by it. It's haunting me.

I'm also the kind of person who though, like I'm the kind of person who's like, I'm cold, put on a coat. Like when I see somebody like not dressed, right, I get very like maternal energy of like, are you okay? Do you want sweater? Like I don't, like, Yeah, let's get you inside with some Campbell soup. Baby, this is this is out of hand exactly. We're gonna take a and we'll be back with more Naomi and more, my mama told me. And we are back. Yeah, we're back

here with more Naomi Barragan more. My mama told me. We're still talking about these chilly ass white people cold to their bones, as it was once presented to Naomi from my mom. Did your mom not? Nope? You said she's from Detroit? Was she from like a black Detroit? Because then she went to University of Michigan. Oh did

you yes? That was her? Like intro I think too white folks, and that's what she was saying, because she was like they She's like people just walk across campus in in harbor with like nothing on or you know, very little. So that was I think what started her on that. And she was like, I will carry this lesson for my child one day, have to carry to

her all whites all right. I did a bunch of research on this subject that I want to run past you, and you see, if any of this sort of clicks with you, feel free to jump in at any point, and certainly feel free to correct any of this that doesn't sit right you. Having a white partner might be more knowledgeable about some of those subjects and even the Google searches that I do. But what I started with, and this is probably problematic, I started my research by

looking up are white people cold blooded? That's what I went with for the beginning, because I wasn't sure how to phrase this, and apparently they're not. Apparently that's only lizards and uh fish, I think, but they're not cold blooded. But a study did show that the average human temperature for men and women is around like thirty six point eight six degrees celsius plus or minus point to three. Why are you bringing me celsius. Hey, they put it in celsius and I didn't have the effort in me

to go fix it. Goddamn it, I don't know what thirty six point eight degrees celsius. I feel like it's what are we like? Ninety eight point six? Isn't that the commercials used to say? Do you remember those commercials? I don't remember listening talking about your body temperature? Okay,

this is what they said. They say, the average human mouth is ninety eight point six degrees and then they will put some listerine in there and they'd be like, now it's cool as fuckin Okay, so the average temperature around thirty six point eight six degrees celsius. I'm so sorry, But this is what's interesting is that the study was originally done because they were trying to see if men and women differed in terms of like their temperatures, and

white men and white women generally do not differ significantly. However, there was a big difference between black and white women, black women having point one three degrees celsius higher temperatures on average than white women. Well, that feels like it makes sense, you know what I mean? Karen's are cold? You know what I mean when you said the cold blood, and I said absolutely. I wonder if it's just the

Nordic roots, right, is it? The Nordic roots. They come from the cold climate originally, so of course they're just naturally prepared, you know for the ice age. Yes, that like, okay, you grew up in this even ancestral ancestral ancestrally, so that's always in you. I mean you can also just tell, like by the fact that like I remember when I was little, little like elementary school, I remember saying, like, how could white people be the master race when they

turn colors in the sun? And it's because you know how when you see, like, um, a white person who does you know, live in a hot climate, they become just red and leathery, and the skin can't cope. The skin can't cope, which leads me to believe it's not meant to be sure, you know what I mean, Like you're not You're not built for that sudden to be beating. This was never yours you. You were meant to be in a high mountain where where the air is thin

and the wind is chill. You mean, like just this is the opposite of the place that you're supposed to be. And it's only because of colonization that you even brought yourself down here in the first place. Exactly exactly do you belong in a fiord? You know what a fiord like, one of those Swedish Norwegian just watery areas that specific cold Ikea desk of some kind. Well, they also belong in an Ikea desk. Sure you belong in a in a watery field with an Ikea desk in front of you.

Just stay the funk out of Africa. That's not yours. Okay, I'm glad you brought that up though, because historically, right when we're sort of looking at the biological transitions of where whiteness comes from, apparently humans started off with pretty like neutral skin tones, much like myself. That we were because we we were sort of born from apes. If you want to have that argument, I'm happy to do it. But because we're born from apes, we were Jesus made

me what you talk about. God put me down here. You put me down here two thousand years ago. There was nothing before that. There's nothing else to talk about. Uh So, apparently because we're born from chimps, we basically

had these neutral skin tones and fewer sweat glands. And then as a part of evolution, melanin was introduced because we started shedding the hair, right, so we're losing the body hair, which means our skin is now more exposed to sunlight, which means we need melanin to be able to reject the sun from the ship out of us

exactly right. So then people start traveling, they're going in different directions, and basically a bunch of white people essentially evolved because, uh they their skin now needed a way to quickly absorb vitamin D and folate, and so you go to these other places where sun is less prominent, and because black skin rejects the sun, you know, white skin absorbs all of it, kind of thing needed a way to absorb it quickly, which, to your point, is

why they burned so easily. Uh In, they can't take it. But if you think about so many of the places, it's not simply right, like when you think about Russia, Alaska, like any any of those places where like it's all so dark half the year, you know what I mean. And so it's also like they only get a couple hours of sun, so they really gotta take it because it's not like the sun is out for more than

four hours. I went to Sweden once and we went and it was probably end of April, and that's like when it was sunny and like the sun didn't go down until about three a m. And then came and then came back up again at seven and like it wasn't it was still um cold, but it was sunny. People were out like they were losing a fucking mind. Just t shirt because they're like the sun, like they were just must absorb. I need this power. There's no telling when it will be back. And I was like, okay,

give me my park. I'm like I still need a puffy. I still need a puffy. But they were living because I'm like from where they're from, and that's like when I get it right, Like it felt like a very foreign land. And I was like, you know what you get like sun for three months out the year. Yes, I get it. I get it. And there did more importantly, I respected you stayed where you belonged, or white skin

belonged in this white climate. A white skin functions best, and you celebrate when that thirty four degree sun themes down on you and you're like, yeah, this is great, and it's perfect for the flesh that I was provided by my ancestors. Do you also think it has something to do with the ability to hide from predators? If you are Alabaster and you're living in a land full of snow, is that part of it? Is that part of it that you can just kind of blend into

the snowstorm? I have to assume that it was part of it. I mean, we are the color of the sand and the you know, the dirt, and think that we dirt feels sure. I can lean up against the pyramid, you won't see me anymore. That was the plan. These stripes on my body already. I'm built to be next to a pyramid. So how many? How many have you already getting hate mail yet yelling about how we're dividing

the world. I pray to God that we do. I was saying it to Nikki the other day that nothing would make me happier than Fox News picking this up and just just having a field day with everything that we're suggesting that white people are somehow built for snow so they can hide from leopards. Oh, that's that would be spectacular. If they get furious about this good fingers crusted.

So one of the things that that happens, uh. And one of the things that they talk about in particular with like this dealing with the cold for white people and for black people as well. One of the things that they said is that there aren't that many biological differences between white and black people, but in terms of the way we handle temperature and climate, it has way

more to do with acclimating than it does with biology. Okay, meaning if you are if you are sitting there thinking that you are a cold person, a person that can handle the cold, then you're probably more capable of handling it somebody who is being taught that, like you're a warm person, you need to be in a warm climb. Huh. Interesting, So you think it's some sort of an assertion of white power to be in the cold? Okay, now we're talking.

Now you've got you've got my ear, because I do think that some of this has been weaponized, right that, Like if you tell a bunch of people that they are warm climate people, even though Africa is a very diverse, uh continent with lots of different types of environments, fucking you know, there's all kinds of people that live in all kinds of ways and this giant piece of land.

If you tell everybody they're warm and they need to be in warmth, and then take them away from that warmth and keep them in these cold places, they're naturally going to start to question, you know, if they can

handle it, if they're frantically capable. Well, it's such also a marker of um, you don't belong here, Like do you notice I can't think of a specific movie, but do you know that trope for instance of like the white explorer who goes to some jungle land, go somewhere for it, and then he's always like sweating and like dabbing himself with a rag, like he can't take it.

He doesn't belong in the savage land. And I think it's like the same thing if you're if you're telling people, you know, we're gonna bring you someplace that is so different however, but here. But here's the thing though, I think about it. When they brought people are from Africa, they started with the south. They started bringing them someplace, you know what I mean, like and that's also where you still have Well you could argue that's acclamation, right,

that's how you get them from. Okay, we took you from a warm climate, so we'll bring you to a warm climate where your body started. We'll get you started. But then if you want to gape from us, you'll freeze to right right, literally run away from the environment we brought you into. Your body is not built for handling it. Well. Also not just that your body is not over anything. We haven't given you the tools to

handle it. Because if you're out there, honey, if you in the South, you out picking cottony your barefoot with a tunic, right, and then if you want to go north, it's like, we gotta get you some ugs. We gotta get you unknitted cap. You don't have it. Yeah, they didn't send you off with that nick cap. You had to know how to knit that yourself. And you had to have been educated enough and sort of savvy enough to know that you were going to need to encounter

nit cap weather. Did you think Harriet Tubbs had had a stash of cap? Do you know what I mean? Like part of the railroad. She was like, all right, we're gonna stop over here and get you on our way to the Montreal Jazz Festival. We're gonna stop and get you some some shoes. Hold on, before we keep going, we gotta hit this hat story real quick. You guys are gonna be weirded out by this, But your ears are gonna get cold. That's something that you you haven't

prepared for. I know you haven't been up here, Joseph, but I swear to God, your ears get cold after we walk a few more hundred feet. It's true. Even though the underground freezing, you're freezing. You gotta get your cats. So I started researching specifically how many people freeze to death every year, assuming that that most people that freeze to death we're going to be like white hikers and like Siberian prisoners. I thought it would be a lot

of like that. But it turns out that actually about thirteen hundred and thirty people die every year from cold exposure death in the US. Yeah. But here's what surprised me is that a lot of it is actually coming from cities. That it's it's a fair amount of it.

Most of it is from like rural areas, but a big portion of its coming from city East of the people that are freezing are outside when it happens, are in their homes or in an enclosed area when they freeze today, oh my god, because they don't have heat,

because America is the third world country. There we go. Now, oh come on, now, now you're talking that talk, because I think what we're seeing is is like a very back to your point about this being a tool of white supremacy, right, is we're seeing actual evidence that white people are at least through their own acclamation, more capable of handling the cold. And then they're freezing a bunch of brown and black people and pour people out, putting

them in environments where they can't. It's in the Northeast and the Midwest where it gets fucking freezing every you know, September, and then you're just like letting them die. Well, it's also because you know, legally, at least in New York, which is what I know, legally, your land lord does not have to turn on heat. I believe until November one. It might actually be it could be October one, but one of those I think it's November is legally when they have to turn on the heat. This is what

I'm saying. So, first of all, you got a goddamn turkey on the table, and you ain't got no here. That don't make no sense. That's not right, it's not right. And you are New Yorker me a person from Chicago. We both know that November is too late. It's already froze, it's already snapped. It's already snapped. It's snapped. If Halloween at the latest, do you know what I mean? At

the very latest? But usually like top of I mean, you know, now we've got some good global warming, but hetty, I'm telling you you'd be freezing or also like you don't even need a lot, like it's not like, oh, winter has started. All you need is like a week of cold temperatures today, Like it doesn't take long. So yeah, And and here's the crazier part. November is when they start right and they legally have to keep your heat on. March is when they have no longer legally have to

keep your heat on in fucking March. In Chicago, maybe our coldest man like forty degrees right, like it forties, it's fucking twenties. Sometimes in March, we we don't break winter until July four. That is our measurement. I don't celebrate the holiday that's the break of winter in the city I'm from. And so you know, you're in theory creating parameters to say we are being humane, we're treating people with like decency, But the reality is you're freezing

them to death, exactly because who owns the properties? You know exactly well exactly. I don't need to say it it was no. I don't know if it is no, but I'll say it right now, White people, you own the stuff, and you're freezing us to it, and I think it's on purpose. Here's where it gets even crazier is I started looking up because you know, obviously exactly what you're saying about, like the idea that you know you could be frozen in your own home because the

heat isn't turned on. But then I started looking up evictions. Right, how how legal is it to evict someone in the middle of the winter. Apparently it's totally legal that like, as long as you give them the notice, the proper notification, it doesn't matter what time of year it is, in any kind of cold. So now we are people being frozen in their homes. They're then being sent out into the streets to presumably freeze in much more dastardly terrible ways.

I know, I know it's interesting because, like, you know, what you're saying to one of those conditions under which people freeze, and you assumed it would be like the Siberian prison and stuff. Actually, here's what I think a lot of it is in the US. It is drunk people passing out outside. Yes, that is what it is. It is like people who were walking from the bar

in winter. You know, people who think like a little booze will warm me up, just you know, and then they like walk and they go and they you know what I mean. They can fall, slip, they can hit their head, whatever happens. But it's like sucking twenty degrees and then overnight they freeze. They're frozen, and so that's it. I'm so glad you said that because that brings me to another part of the research, because the thing that they talk about is freezing to death actually isn't even

as common as it seems like it would be. What is common is something called cold exposure. Dying from cold exposure, injuries based on cold exposure, which is exactly what you're talking about. I get super fucked up. I go out, I don't feel the cold quite as much as I would have, and then I get frostbite or I get a more dramatic injury hit my head, whatever it is, so I don't eye on the spot from that, I die from the other condition that was involved in this.

And so they say people with like uh, with blood pressure issues or people with pre existing conditions often are going to the hospital for what is ultimately them freezing to death, but it's not being identified that way. It's like, oh, this is shutting down. But it wasn't shutting down just because your body was shitty. It's shutting down because you were exposed to these extreme temperatures that your body couldn't handle, and now all your organs are like fuck it, I'm out.

I know I developed asthma when I was twenty six, did not have it as a kid, have it now and what it's what I learned and I'm I still learned the different things that kind of will trigger me. And one of the things that will all will give me an asthma attack is usually going from hot to cold, cold to hot, and I mean like literally like to go from you know, in your warmhouse out in winter if it's if it's really cold like that, like windy

and stuff. My whole chest tightens up and it's like a literally like an instant thing, and it's just like a my body is just reacting to the fact that it's freezing and it just like tightens and then it's like okay, well, okay, we're gonna wait this out. We're gonna see what we can do about it, or like get into you know, kind of like I was going to say that walk to the subway from my train, and then like kind of if I get on the train, I can kind of regulate. Again. You hit your pump,

you you gather yourself. You're fine too. And to your point, thank god, you have the resources to know to walk to the train, to be able to pay for the money to get on the train, to get yourself to a warm place, when a lot of people in fact are not equipped with these resources, are coming from an already cold environment, the colder one just suffering from asthma or whatever it is, and then just sort of having

to to die because of you know, these circumstances. So ultimately, and this is the scariest part of all of it. I'm so sorry that this uh stopped being funny and turned into us just criminalizing and that's the comedic journey. Okay, this is net and I love it. We need to do it sometimes. So the even more terrifying part of this is that Army data that was sort of collected because there's not a lot of data on this ship

because white people don't want to do this research. But army data suggests that black people are two point two to four times more likely to experience cold based injuries, really four times more likely wild. So, in essence, if I could summarize everything that we've sort of gathered here, and you made the point before I even got to it, is that white people created a system that allows for us to freeze to death intention now. Wow, wow, wow, wow,

this podcast is huge. This podcast is huge. Dismantling Okay, man, I don't know that I'm dismantling. I think I just blame white people for stuff every week. They must, you must, you must keep them accountable, especially during the Caucasian Awakening. That's what I call this time. Now then, because suddenly they were all at home and could watch the George Floyd video over like what they've just they've woken up?

Well that was I think that was the weird part about all of it before was like they could have watched a million George Floyd's before this, But like you said, they weren't at home. They were busy. They were out on the town themselves, and now everybody's just at home. It was like, hey, if y'all seen this video, apparently this has been happening the whole time, the whole time. We gotta get out there, We gotta get out there. I don't have to be at work. Why don't we

just go out and protest? Brunches clothes, I might as well protest. Hello. All right, we're gonna take another break and then we'll be back with more Naomi and more, my mama told me, and we are back anywhere. Yeah, we're back. We're back here with more naomiic bar again. More my mama told me. We're still talking about you evil, evil white people and how you've been planning to freeze black people to death as a form of supremacy. We figured it all out. We got you, We got you.

You're caught, your dirty scoundrels, You're caught. Okay, I want to play a game. This is a fun game that I like to call white lies. Yeah, that is amazing. Did you know, Andy, Actually we watch Friends on Netflix. We rewatch should I had never seen it from the beginning, and we started keeping a um, a visual what would you call it, a visual journal, I guess of every black person that appears on Friends inter acts. Though, Okay, that doesn't mean you're just like a background. You have

to actually have lines. You have to engage with the friends in some way. Yeah, um, and it was Aunt Viv was on it, and yeah Dark ant Viv Dark and yes, and then um, Sherry Shepard worked with Ross. You know, obviously I used to Tyler Gabrielle Union. I didn't know Gabrielle Union was on there. Gabrie. You thing, if you got to interact with a friend, your career took off, all right, your career took off. If you interacted and really got some screen time, that was it

for you. That was that that little Friends bump that you needed to become a new Hollywood star. That's what you needed. Wow, Okay, this is a good question. And for you, how did you feel watching Friends? Because I personally, and I'll just say this before you even tell me, I personally despised the show. Yeah, I really didn't I really didn't like the show. I thought that um at the times. I remember when it first came out, like it was very popular in school and everyone would talk

about it. So I like started to kind of watch it towards the end because I was like, I kind of want to know what's happening. But I will say it actually also got worse and harder the older they got. Like there was some of the first couple of seasons where you're like, Okay, we're having fun, and then it gets to a point where it's like you fucking grown, Like Chandler has a real job. Why the hell he living with a roommate? And why asked apartment? Why are

y'all thirty five? And still like doing this? Yes, get it together, it's aspire for more. And also like Ross, you have a child, you know what I mean. And there were just some times I just felt like, you're a father, get it together. Yeah, this friendship should not mean this much to you. Maybe fatherhood is the better. Thank you. Yeah. And then also Rachel, Okay, honey, she's all about weaponizing those white tears. She was just like a white woman who would Jennifer Anderson. She would just cry.

Rachel would just cry and it was always just like my God, like Monica such a Karen So type needed stuff her way running the show. I was like, the only one I can kind of get with sometimes is Phoebe. But then she became too dumb, like again the way she was like hippie initially, she then became like a total ditch and it was just like, okay. So that was my long answer, because obviously when you watch the

whole season back to back, you have thoughts. Sure, I will say that I appreciate your answer in that I watched the pilot and I was like, nope, and the never I never invested again. I was like, this ship ain't for me, some goofy white ship that like I and I like goofy white ship. I listen, I am of goofy white above that this one was mes bless this. I love it. Let's have a great time making blesses mess. But it's a type of goofy white that I'm just like,

this is harmless whatever. When you create a New York city that's entirely white, that has no yeah, like that's in the city as well. Remember that, except for Blair, Underwood showed up for a hot minute. Yeah, and what a timeless sexy man who deserves better than to be uh belittled. I know, sex in the city, can you believe? Sick? Sick. But it's also like he's the black guy that they

all knew, do you know what I mean? Like from l a Law Like they were like, it's Blair Underwood around ladies, they're more, well, we simply must have Blair Underwood, and it's like, no, you can have somebody else that doesn't have to be Blair Underwood. Get little Boosey and sex in this exactly what happened when a little Boosey and what's her name Charlotte have to have that shares together and little Boozy is like, show me a pussy for and then all right, I'll know how to do

this thing. That's a good show. Alright, white lies, this is the game. I am going to present to you a very celebrated or at least highly believed conspiracy theory in the white community. I would like for you to take a second to unpack exactly why this conspiracy theory is so widely supported by white people. Why does this conspiracy theory mean so much to them? What are the sneaky motherfucker's up to Yes, I'm ready, hell yeah, Okay.

So apparently at Mount Rushmore, which has been in the news quite a bit late lately because our our fantastic leader is going to get his face up there and

we're all super excited about it. Rushmore has been in the news and apparently behind Lincoln's head there's an eighteen foot chamber a compartment, uh that the builder, who was a white supremacist, that's worth noting, built for keeping stuff behind Lincoln said they have been using that chamber for keeping apparently secret documents, and white people for years have

speculated about what those secret documents are. They claim that they're like secrets of the government knowing about terrorists attacks before they happen, in all these like just maniacal, evil details that they're hiding from the American public. That being said, why do you think white people are so obsessed with the chamber hidden in Mount Rushmore? Wow? Wow wow wow? That is uh that is so I've never heard that before. So I'm so surprised by this. Um. Why are they

obsessed to the chamber inside about rich boor um? Because they love themselves so much they believe that even their statues have to be doing double duty. It's not enough to just to just be rock okay, You've got to also be secure like a chest. You've got to also be a closet. You've got to also hold even more power. Alright, It's not just the face of Lincoln staring down on the natives. Inside is the real So that's it. That

makes sense. I like that. That's called motherfucking completely nothing about I like that a lot that that Actually, I think that that does feel so much like the way white people see themselves in the world, right, that it's not just oh, we are good, therefore we erect a statue of ourselves. It's that that statue must also hold its own power, much power, maybe as strong, if not more powerful, than the figure that it was erected out of. Exactly, it's a it's a type of mania almost words, well,

most certainly it's a mental illness. Most certainly it's a manium. Most certainly it's a sickness and unwillingness to look within. Even though they invented therapy, you know, there's literally a chamber inside to look inside of that you could say is empty and be like, ah, we got to do some work and fill this with something substantial, and instead they speculate, right, oh, this is where the true secrets are hidden. Was Lincoln shot in the head or was

shot in the head? I wonder if that's also what they're trying to do. Maybe it's like we put it in his head. Do you think he was shot? No, that's just we're just getting started. He was shot in the head, and apparently because of how shitty police and and just secret service was back then, the dude John Wilkes Booths shot him in the head and then had enough time to yell out some cool shit on the

stage because he was an actor. He yelled out some cool shit and then he rode off on a horse afterwards, like, y'all just watch this the president of Imagine watching the president of the United States get shot in the face. I wish finishing the play, I'm like, god could have happen now. I kept hoping when Pennce went to Hamilton's gonna be both that's just do what you have to do. Okay. I think we did it. I think we nailed it all down. I think this was spectacular. You were wonderful

as anticipated. Tell the people where where they can find you any cool stuff you have going on. Well, Heny, it's we're in a pandemic. So nothing of note. Um, even though you might appreciate that. I did a Twitch show hosted by t Pain where I did comedy and he played Fortnite. So that's what I'm doing in the choir. But Cup visit me on Instagram at Black Dress Comedy.

That's where I'm really thriving. Twitters for revolutions. I don't have that kind of energy right now else, So insta check out Couples Therapy pod episode to drop every Tuesday. That's beautiful. I wait, I have to know more about this Tea page situation. Was he nice? Was he kind? He didn't really interact with me? You know, he played Fortnite with like different guests, and then there would be breaks where there would be sketches and comedy and I

did a little stand up. Um. You know, it's always in quotes now in choir, and none of us are doing the art we believe in anymore. I mean, can you imagine how bad we're gonna be when we finally get up in front of people who I did an outdoor show. I've only done one. Did it I did it, and uh, did you touch the mic to your lips? They gave us like separate mics covers, and uh, you know, everybody had mass and we're socially distance outside. It was in a big open park, so it had all the

correct for the thing. But then you just remember that, like, oh man, there's a po on behind me, and like maybe we should just go do that, you know what I mean? Like maybe we should just go watch frogs leap and like the whole in nature, Like I don't what the funk am I telling you about? You know, my wife gets on my nerves, like, who the funk cares? Man? The world is dying and there's there's a beautiful scene. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Well we're doing our best. We're

doing our best performing in ponds. You're performing in front of tea pain and neither one of us are happy about it. But this is this has been my mama told me. And uh, you can like and subscribe and do all the cool things you do the podcast. Thanks for listening by y'all. Chips in your qualibars, racist money versions, many turkey stuff I can't tell me. Governor