Chemtrails and All That Jazz (with Ayo Edebiri)

It's it's hard to fight chips in your bails. Racist honey term stuff you can't tell me. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Oh there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another amazing, exceptional, devastating episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep into the world of black conspiracy theories and we find out where Beyonce is hiding the body of Sasha fears. Bring back

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voice this season. Just just a lot of scatting. Yeah, what if black kids today relate to And I said, well, Scooby to bup job man, I'll tell you what and and they listened that you got the job and in that book is it? Thank you? Right? I have to admit straight from the top because this is important to talk about your emotional podcast. Let's go listen. I've got ranged. We take it high, we take it low, we do a few scats, a few improvs on and get serious

right after. I have to say that your conspiracy theory when you texted it to me was one that I did not immediately know was a conspiracy theory. Oh good that. I was like, no, but that's that's just a fact what we're talking about. Well, I think that's gonna be the harder discussion if I'm gonna be honest, because we got chatting to do about. All Right, So you've said to me, they conspiracy theory you sent my way. You said, my mama told me kim trails make people go crazy

and riot in the streets. Uh huh. So that's what I know, and that's and that's what's been told to me. Um. I'm from Boston, which is like a confusing place to be a black person, but it's also the place where like, okay, random true fact, like environmental justice was like created. So I think there's this vibe of like we know something's going on. We know, well, there's a pestice in the parks. I actually took a tour when I was like a

high school student. I was like very into like social justice, and I I, like Luther King would love for you to say it that way every time. Actual was ghost actually haunting me on the door and slapped me in the face and I said, first of all, went through me. I went through me, gave me shivers, um, and I said, worry you a beer. I said, wait a minute, this far there's better place than for you to be. And he said I took a ghost, right, And I said, okay, alright,

well enough about that. I gotta tell this anecdote. He said, wait a minute. I said, okay, I'm moving on. Um. But I took the tour, and on the tour they were like fun fat there's a park right over there in Dorchester that was shut down because asbestos was in the slides. And I was like, wait, I played him that park, that's my neighborhood. I said, nobody said why why the park shut down? They just shut it down. Um,

So that's sort of the vibe. As a former person, I don't want to call myself in any way a boss Stonian, but as a person who lived in Boston for a few years, I can't agree that it's a weird mix of highly intellectual sort of like peer reviewed information and then just bullshit, just nonsense, just Irish, Catholic, black Cape Verdean Vietnamese working class nonsense, and the city

is a mess because of it. But always up in the skies, you know, there's these planes and who they're flying, and sort of like around this time, as I'm like coming aware of things, camp trails as an idea just sort of like it came into the frontal lobes at some point. And I remember being with like my mom and like a few cousins and you know, friends who are just kind of like mm hmm, these camp Trails. They're dropping something and I was like, you know, what

are you talking about? Because me, I'm like I'm different. I go to school or they've forced me to learn Latin, like I'm an intellectual, Like no way ha put put on that. Then you know, you started asking questions. You're like in a minute, like what is going on? Why is everybody in the streets fighting? Isn't the chim trails? And there's also this like iconic France video, So there's like before we were even get into that, before we get there, get you're moving fast and I love your energy.

You take it back a notch. Goddamnit, slow down, looks man, brother, cool job turkey. Uh Okay. Before we even get that far, I do want to say that for our audience at home, we should explain what kim trails are specifically, So kim trails as I understand them, and please jump in with your more clear definition, if there is one. Kim trails is sort of the fumes that come off of usually

commercial airplanes as they're flying over our heads. And the theory is that those fumes are in fact intentionally placed there by the government to uh waft over us and

lead to riots and sort of population control. And so there's like regular planes, sure, but then in some planes and that's the thing you don't know what there's like chemical or biological agents, and they can mess with your mind, mess with the weather, mess with your body, nest with certain communities specifically like black and brown and like working class like poor communities there, and we can't do anything because we're on the ground. We're on the ground and

ground something one max sure. And that's the thing is that is just like you said. The theory is is that they're put these chemicals in certain planes, but it's not clear which ones they're choosing, and it's very sort of random. Yes, uh, at least seems random to us, when in fact it's all government orchestrating for for our

poisoning and or for the control of the weather. Yes, you know, sometimes there will be like camp trails or let's say, like regular plane trails that you know, stay longer in the sky, and the scientists might say, oh, well, that's just that particular exhaust reaction with the weather or the humidity or the temperature of that specific area. My cousin Brian chem Trils says, chem Trils, Mike, Mike, my

cousin DJ. He goes, well, all that's chum Trills J. It's like listen, listen, listen, I hear your science, but what you're not accounting for is the fact that I already know that's camp Trils. Well you're not accounting for is that I'm the person who showed you that video of that jay Z song being played back or is it saying six six six murder murder Jesus murder murder us. So obviously that's got the site. We don't need their

fancy science when we have jay Z records backwards. Come on. Okay, So now, following the train that you were already setting us on, you said that you were originally inspired to sort of like talk about this from the Prince video that you caught. Yes, they were like on Facebook, like I remember that, okay, uh want to feel old now? Um there remember like going, you know, big on Facebook and this video of Prince talking and just being like

camp trails are real. Yep. Those are the general Prince noises. And that was that I believe his hair swooping and then a little like flair flying forward if that correctly, from behind him and that's just sort of like spiritual, energetic maybe from his guitar that's laid off stage on the side somewhere there for some reason, a little burst of purple just happens noise. But there's this video of him where he very seriously is like and obviously prints

a man of science and perfect beliefs. Um. It was like, you know, I believe in cam trails. Cam trails are real, and I know that not just because of the work of the illustrious Dick Gregory, but also because I was born and raised in Minnesota, and there would be days where everybody's getting along in the neighborhood, everybody's hanging out. Then all of a sudden, the plane goes over in a riot burst and prints, Okay, Mr Raspberry Beret. He's

talking to tab Smiley. Unfortunately canceled Tabi Smiley, which Tavis didn't jump in at all to be like a prince chill out on this one. He he was not a reliable narrator from then. Really, that's fair. We should have known that Tavis had some ugly secrets by his willingness to let these chem trails theories just like fly. But so he's talking to Tavis Smiley and he basically says that like when he was a kid in Minnesota, he would watch airplanes all the time. He'd be like, oh, sweet,

that's an airplane. That's tight. But then more and more airplanes, more and more trails of chemicals, and suddenly his neighborhood had fallen into misery. Yeah yeah, I mean just half the neighborhood on fire. Sure, according to Prince. And so when you watch this video and you hear possibly, I would argue, one of the most iconic figures in all of history say that he believes that these chemicals are leading to riots in the streets, what is your reaction?

Don't believe? No? I was just like, well, something's going on, sure, something, something's happening. Um. And obviously, like the man who is a full like type pants wearing Jehovah's witness, it has confusion built into the brain. Drills are real. I really just just like, oh, a lot more people believe this than I realized. And I guess I'm like doing some

also digging in. I mean, I don't know that this breaks the bounds of your podcast, but I realized, like, oh, this isn't just like a black thing, which I kind of thought it was just because I guess I was raised around mostly black people, and so then I go, oh, it's a black thing. Oh, well, living in Boston is a black thing. I go, but a black city, my mother like it has horse blinders on my eyes. Like, man,

this is a blackdown, black as hell awesome. In the background, Mark Wahlberg fully beating up children a pill are left and right, was knocking an Asian man by out and just then going on to make beautiful. I can't see it. I can't see what am I supposed to do? Um fine acting career as well, that guy good and Boogie Knights. Listen. If you haven't seen the happening, go watching Mark Wahlberg stunts. Folks. If you have not seen that happening. Folks, folks, you

got to see the happening, go to your nearest theater. Now, I tell you now it's no, it's not well, go see it anyway. But yeah, I don't know. I thought it was like mostly a black thing, and then I was like, oh, there's oh, there's white people also important airs who like they got jars, they got jars from the air and the air is a weird color. Yeah, so what's going on because there is a weird color is that I don't know if my air, my air is clear. The air in his jar is not clear,

so is brown chunk Chunk. I would venture to guess that it's a poor person's interpretation of larger problems that they're probably seeing in their community, you know what I mean, Like there's already some smog because of a fucking steel factory or whatever evil things some other person put up. You don't know how to deal with the fact that the steel factory is there because they employ you or somebody you love, and so instead you just go, man,

that airplanes trying to kill me dog. I mean half of the fights were probably people arguing whether or not it was cam trails or you know, the local plant like infecting the air in the water, And that's probably the fight that got everybody going crazy. Sure there's one reasonable person in the neighborhood like, hey, man, I actually think it's uh that capitalism fighting now fighting? Now, what the fun did you say about my capitalism? I love

my capitalism. Anything about your fucking capitalism? Man, I didn't say nothing. Now we gotta fight. So you don't believe, Prince, but you do believe potentially that something is happening, that

there might be something more to these airplanes. I mean, but I think to the point of what you're saying also the player of just like we don't know what's going on, Like you know, I think so much about like when you read a history book and you're like, ha hah, these idiots put lynches on their body, and like a hundred years from now, some kid on like a Mars colony is going to be like ha ha

they use microwaves. You Like, there's there's things that are a part of our everyday life right now that are absolutely psychotic and bad for us, and we don't know how or why. I mean, I'm drinking I'm drinking fluorescent sodas. You know that can't be good for the bones, not

at all. When I was a kid, I used to go to the gas station every day and I would buy a big gulp of mountain dew, just every single day, because they were like a dollar at the time, and I get a dollar, I'd go buy a big gulp of mountain dew and it was free refills on that mountain dew, so I would go refill it a day, and multiple dudes a day. And now I can't touch my toes and you can't convince me that those aren't related. I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this. I used

to be very athletic, very flexible. Okay, then fifth grade I started babysitting and I started getting a little bit of pocket change. What I would do every day after school was going to Burger King and get a five piece nugget and of soda because I could get that for two dollars, and I started eating that every day. I didn't gain weight, because I don't have the body

that gains weight. But I'll tell you what. The end of the year, I tried to do a split and my hips hurt so much in the way that is inexplicable. I believe it is because of the nuggets. I don't believe it's because of the nuggets and that fluorescent sweet and sour sauce. What the hells and that and that's absolutely correct. It was those nuggets. It did something to your joints and your bones that made them not joints

and bones. Never gonna do a split again. No, it's just it's McDonald's meat in there from now on, and it ain't built for splits. That's built for more nuggets. That's outsourced the meat from just another fast for the restaurant. They're just swapping meat back and forth, mistaking your meat

and replacing it. Well, okay, so you do open your eyes up in a way, I guess is what I'm hearing to the possibility that they're sort of like more conspiracy happening in the world, even if it's not this, even if it's not exactly that, but it opens us to like more conspiracy of that, and also like this brand of like hotel obspiracy where it's like, you know, brother sharing, like Dick Gregory videos betwixt each other. Yeah, old man just being like, now tell you what it's like. Oh,

well this this isn't right. I know this isn't right. You're a hundred first of all, killer did Gregory impression? I think you nailed it, but I do it is It's a hard thing, especially as a comic, where it's like Dick Gregory is a very iconic figure in the space of comedy, do you know what I mean? Like he's an important person, but it's also an old man just getting old and saying old stuff. And so you're balancing like, all right, how do I backfully say that

this old motherfucker is wrong? Right? But he just isn't nailing it anymore. No, And it's like, thank you, sir for what you did. I believe you did it. I believe I believe you did it. You can take the victory lab. You haven't say anything new anymore. I wasn't around for it, but I hear you did great stuff. I love what I've heard that you do. But maybe just said this one out like boy, because just just produce, right, this is a Dick Gregory production. This is a Dick joint.

You Dick joint, Hello, Dick joint when you see it. If Dick Gregory would have started calling his production dick picks. Ok, okay, he's a multi hyphen that it's a and then you you watch a real serious movie about Kim Tree. Oh man, if only we had more time, Only we had more time.

Afraid to God, those chemicals they're dropping. Bring him back to life so that we can start producing radiating He drops and brings him back delay old hand verse through the earth, and Dick Gregory gets to make He doesn't want to bite heads and like murder people. He just wants to make it. I'm back now. I want to produce. God damn it. All right, we're gonna take a break and we'll be back with more Iowa, Debri and more. My mama told me we are Have you ever had

a dreaming? You you what you can do? You do you want? You? You could do? So? You you do you could? You want? You want him to do you so much? You could do anything? Yeah, we're back. We're back here with that was dope? Right, that goes? Listen play that in the club playing I'm absolutely I'm getting the knee braced back out. Sure, no, but I could. I could break a few other things. That's the shot. I get the knees going crazy. That's why I play it. I want to see the knees go crazy. One of

the b drops. That's cold. He just he just and you ever and you and you and you want you know, he's a champ. And I hope he's doing okay because that video was recorded and like it had to be like uh n, yeah, there's no way this hasn't negatively affected his life. I hope he's okay, doing the best can with what he's got. Right, You're you're a meme

for the rest of your life. And maybe you're lucky enough that people don't recognize you and and treat you with any sort of like malice or maybe you have to write that on your job applications and address it with everyone you meet. Yep, is he you? I was a lot lighter when I was You know kids that go from blonde to brunette. Well that was me, but all over my hair was fine, finest silk. And uh, I'm ashamed of what I said, and I just wish you all would give me the space to work it out. Well,

what is a podcast about that? Uh, it's probably a desperate call for attention, but you know, we'll figure out which one. By the end of this we will solve many problems, including that one. Okay, let's talk research. I did some research on kim trails that I want us to sort of unpack together and feel free to jump in, disagree,

disregard anything that I'm saying or presenting to you. So, what people are calling kim trails is actually something called contrails, which comes from the word condensation, which is just the warm exhaust uh mixing with cold temperatures to form trails of vapor in the sky. Right, and then along with

that vapor. Uh. The the kim trail element of it is people assuming that that vapor because of how long it stays in the sky or the distance that it sort of covers, is associated with some sort of like chemical attack from the government. Yes, So to your earlier point, many of the theorists, theorists, I should know the word. I'm I wrote it down. I just can't say it

on account of my speech impediment. But the theorists believe that the chemicals, you know, out of all the speech impediments you could get, it's not the worst, it's not the worst, and it humanizes you in a way that I think is good. Sure, otherwise, how could you ever relate with me? So a lot of the argument sort of claimed that these chemicals lead to either violence or

control in the weather. And there's a video I watched of this dude talking to a news reporter where he collected some of the chem trails in a jar and claimed that those chemicals, those specific chemicals he had found in the jar were responsible for a tornado that came through his town like a week before the chemicals were collected. Essentially, ill, how did you catch that? How did you get the air? Also, like if there was wind blowing a little bit early

and you just caught stuff. You know, he just got junk. Maybe some of it is junk. Um. There probably are also to like some experiments where people are trying to like control weather. I don't know if it is for like tornadoes as much as maybe trying to get places where it's very dry and air that needs rain, like, you know, get the clouds a little bit feeled, a little bit horny, you know, those clouds them. I think what you're referring to is something that often is conflated

with kim trails, which is something called geo engineering. I want you to keep going, but I will just say, as somebody who is at one time training to be a teacher and did some student teaching, and you, who has a history in education, I love that you made a teaching moment and very organic and I went, wait, yeah, I do love to learn. Wait, maybe Shakespeare and Biggest Smalls are the same. Yeah, I'm teach. Hey, wait a minute,

I might switch my hat from backwards to forwards. You're spitting, teach. Let's go, I'm gonna take off my drug selling hat and put on my listening hat, because teach, you got my ears. Yeah, maybe this hoodlum cap look better as a graduation cap yche oh captain life reaking ideal. So

the geo engineering is in fact a real science. Solar geo engineering specifically is where they work to create technologies that might enable people to like add materials to the atmosphere as a technique of reflecting the sunlight back to space and like partially reduced climate change or the accumulation of greenhouse gases. So it is sort of rooted in a real science. It just isn't at all connected to

airplanes or chemicals falling from the sky. I mean, this is sort of like okay, chemtril's honestly, can I say they they're kind of like early fake news where it's like, Okay, there's a news nugget, there's something in here that's true. But this has been so warped by like bad information and people not totally understanding something and like screenshotting and re sharing this until it's absolutely burnt Crispy Fried at the edges. Yes, it's it's just a game of like

very dumb telephone. They're dangerous telephone even because people are basically just taking this story and then running with it in the wrong direction, and so even to your point

about the geo engineering. One of the things that scientists say is that geo engineering, although it is technically a science that people are studying, it's not something they're even studying in a public space yet, Like they don't put it out in the air because of the risk that like putting something in the atmosphere might actually have very dangerous negative effects on the population or the planet as a whole. So it's not real. So what's in the

guy's jars? And that's the question. So one of the things that he found in his jar, and one of the things that people keep pointing to as a cause for the thing that we're worried about, which is like all these fights and and weird effects on the community, is people claim that they in every jar that they

sort of collect our extreme amounts of barium. Barium which apparently causes a person to experience breathing difficulties, increase blood pressure, heart rhythm changes, stomach irritation, muscle weakness changes as a nerve reflexes. It just basically fux up your body, uh, and potentially your brain as well. I feel like if most metals that you eat, if you eat it, it will do that. Yes, it's not like you can eat some metal and it's like that's a good metal. Oh,

that's a good metal that you want. What you need is a little bit of plut that you need some some harder, softer metals in your body. Doesn't worry. I've got a guy. He'll give you some great metals. That's a baron bro mind for you. Yeah, don't worry, It'll fix you right up. They're just serving like metal on a charcouterie board that's also made of metal. Listen, I don't know what assistant at Goop that's trying to get a promotion is listening to this. So we're giving a

free idea right now. Oh No, Gwyneth Paltrow is a fan, she's a regular. She's shaving that down, sprinkling that on some gelatto. You know what I'm saying, Fat gelatto, that's Gwen. Gwyneth wants that. Gwyneth already on that, So you gotta get those medals in that gelatto. And she knows where the best medals and the best at is in the city. It's not her fault if she knows, it's not her fault. She's just telling you what she knows. Why Are you

all so mad at her? Because she's sharing hard facts that she knows from out in the world, are facts which are things that she knows because she heard it somewhere, and because she's a reliable source. Why would any of us question Gwyneth Paltrow. Sorry that her website is good. Sorry, you're mad that she's got a good layout. Mm hmmm. You're mad that she used to that dude from Coldplay. You're jealous and you ain't letting her shine. Yeah, you can say they're cheesy now, but I know we were

all boffing the yellow. You have it well up to yellow. You're lying. You're lying to me if you're gonna tell me the scientists didn't bring a tear to your telling me. You watch that music video. You saw him go backwards backwards. And this was before TikTok. This is before we knew that he walked red learn and then they just played it backwards. This was this was groundbreaking entertainment. He had to learn the whole song, all the lyrics backwards. That's

come on, it's hard to do. Chris Martin, the backwards God, Chris Martin, we love them god? Oh hell Okay, So one of the other things that they connect to these metals that we're talking about, right, The claim is, and this is where the metals sort of get complicated for people, is that they're claiming that the metals are also sort of like coated with micro organisms in nanotechnology, which are able to bore into the skin, leading to the fighting

and the uproar in your community. There's something so specific about like poor fear of nanotechnology. Yes, there's something really specific. And I and it links with Christianity as well, because I mean, my biggest figure as a child was having a chip in me. And obviously the chip will be the mark of the devil um or is something to control my mind? And is that in the Bible? No? But but the Bible's poetry, right, and so you translate and you put your life what is true? And I said, oh,

micro chip. The devil has grown, The devil has has evolved. He's a shape shifter and obviously is able to adapt to the modern age much more easily than um any angels. I might say, but that's not it's not me. It's what some might say. And obviously quoting the way that UM even now, like when I see a news story that's like guy puts microchip in body to get into house. I like, you know, I should a really quickly, even as I like, don't go to church anymore, and I go, Father, God,

you know obviously it's been a while. Just in case sort of you and I have anything that we need to work out. I just want to say, and that there is that stuff that like I get it. You know, religion obviously is an allegory and like it isn't like hard based fact necessarily, and some people treat it that way. But there is stuff that like human beings do where I'm like, all right, dog, that's a sin. That's a sin against nature. That's not that's not what God wanted

for us. Elon, must leave that, leave that pig alone. Why would you put it? Leave it alone? Elon? That's wrong. That is wrong. You know, whenever somebody says something like even slightly offensive to me, I go, well, so sad they're going to hell to burn eternally. That sucks for them. I guess they made don't love this six minutes stand up set that that I did go to hell forever. Just what I heard. That's that's what they're saying. Just

reading listen, we can be here in the street. But yeah, so people are claiming that this nanotechnology, this microorganisms and nanotech is one of the ways you can tell that it's nanotech. This is a claim is that it causes a skin condition called more Golans Morgellons something I don't know, Lord of the rings. More door, you get more door.

But so this Morglon's condition causes lesions and rashes on your skin, which people are claiming is sort of like, as you would put it, the mark of the devil. It's the mark of like these reigning or you know, micro organisms falling from the sky. And there is probably

just again like another sort of explanation. I mean, I mean, hey, listen, you know, who's to say where we are in a hundred years, but there probably is something to like somebody having sores and itching and then walking around you know, not super developed or clean or you know, have has good air or water quality or whatever stuff's getting in their skin, right, I would I would argue that drinking flint water is probably that might do. The might not

be the sky that might be about what's going on. Yeah, we we can see some of the stuff that probably is causing our skin conditions. I McDonald's three times a week. If I got a skin condition, it's probably that that, you know what I mean, it's that that did that to me. It wasn't fucking you know, raining particles from the air. So with that one of the ways that they say you can help prevent the risk of Morgellons or risk of these microorganisms attacking you. And this was

one of my favorite parts of the research. Some theorists claim that you can use strong magnets to pull the nanotechnology out of your book. That's right, that like you basically what's cut scene from X makoma, that's that's in the matrix. That's the matrix. Uh was there? There was no magnets when it's on the bug. Oh, that's right, you're right. I forgot that you're a matrix historian, and I I shouldn't dared. I spent money on that degree. I spent my money. I'm gonna flount where I can.

I didn't go to four years of matrix college to have you just misrespected like this on your podcast. I went to Phoenix University dot do you slash matrix before years? I earned my degree. I earned a goddamn it. I love the idea that the professor just calls himself Morpheus too. He's just that's Morpheus too. He knows he's not disrespectful, you know, and he knows he knows what he represents as well. I support it. Sending a really nervous email

at high um Professor Morpheus two. I just wanted to check in, UM, you know, as the middle of the semester is approaching, and obviously I've done my best. UM thinks have been really difficult as the landline philles near my apartment have all been taken by the government, and so I'm having a hard time doing the homework. I hope you won't, you know, look against me in that regard. UM,

thank you so much. UM. I love this semester. The teen exclamation points, and then he just writes back, the work is the work you get if if you don't show up, you fail. He hacks my email and fails me immediately. So here's where it gets even more fascinating, because I found myself asking the question, what is the real goal of these riots? What's the real want here on the part of the government, Because I can't imagine

that just like the streets burning is their intention. And so a lot of people connected to this thing called HARP, this program high Frequency Active Oreel Research programed HARP right, which basically was developed by the US military as a tool for the study of ion sphere for the movement

of like radio communications and surveillance. So they're basically the government is saying, like, we want to improve our ability to like use satellites to surveil our enemies wherever they may be and like connect with like you know, everything, and we're gonna like study how to make the ion sphere a little more like penetrable, if that makes sense. And then everybody claims that study is bullshit and that's

actually them putting together like the equipment for poisoning us. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, like because I think two of the Prince allegory where he was saying that the issue is when there's harmony in these areas that's like that are poorer or seem like they're going to have some sort of like you know, community or financial gain or upward mobility or stability, and it's like capitalism only work when people are under the boot, Like it only works if there

is um are there are people who can be suppressed and oppressed and can be like turned in this machine. And so to like so seeds of discord is to make sure it works and to make sure that the people who are supposed to be on the bottom, for whatever reason like stay there. So also it's that thing like I don't know erin Brockovich vibes, where it's like, don't learn about what is gonna hurt you or else

or else that. Yeah, I think you're you're making two excellent points here that like even if there's a possibility that not even a possibility, if we're even agreeing that Kim Charles in fact are not real. But this is just sort of an absurd interpretation of what is real and normal real thing. What it does do effectively is create chaos emotionally for the people who either believe it or don't believe it, and keeps people in a position of sort of like suffering or victimhood at the hands

of the government, right that you can't really beat. And then in that way, it's like its own interpretation of what's real, you know what I mean, Like that there is truth in that and in what's happening to Yeah, I would argue that I think that's where the government is at its strongest, is when they can just convince us some they don't even have to spend the money to send airplanes with chemicals in them. They could just convince us there's chemicals in the airplane because we can't

prove them wrong. Yeah. Ever, and anybody who even suggests that it's wrong is as you get called crazy or or a fucking you're either crazy or you're a part of the problem, and perfect places to be. Yeah, be called either crazy or not. It's it's just a wild sort of like a middle ground. And even so so following that sort of connection of people being called crazy or connected to the police or or the powers that be, every scientist who refutes this, naturally, scientists all over the

world are saying, you guys are being ridiculous. This isn't a thing. They say, like, well, even if you think that this is real, it would be unreasonable to think that an entire organization would be able to fill these planes with these chemicals. And nobody snitches, like nobody ever, like steps outside and it's like, hey, bro, they're poisoning you, which has never happened in the history of the planet.

Like the amount of work and energy you would have to put to get people to all agree that poisoning the planet is okay and and not tell anyone they love is impossible. It's unless those scientists are being told otherwise. Unless that's how they get you. That's how they get you. All Right, We're gonna take another break and then we'll be back with more. I owe Debrie and more, my mama told me. And we are bat. We're bat. We're bat. We're back with more. Ioa, Debrie. We're back with more.

My mama told me. We're having a great time talking about these skim trails and the crazy that it spawns. It bursts in our community, both right and wrong. That's journey. That's one of my favorite drops that I've ever thought of. And our producer Nick, who is a kind man and a very patient human being. It needs to be arrested, abolished the police. But arrest Nick for that right before you get kicked out. Police arresting it up. Please, I've got something to report. Let that be your last piece

of paperwork. Officer is just arresting Nick and sending him to jail. Okay, we're gonna play a game. I have a very fun game that This is a new segment that I call Millionaires Say the Darndest Things. Hello, don't hang up for me. I have plenty of energy to

drive over there. Do you understand me? Okay, this is a fun game called Millionaires Say the Darndest Things, in which I want to read to you some celebrity quotes on the issue of Kim trails and their conspiracy theories around it, things that they've posted, things that they've sort

of retweeted, things that they've claimed. And I would love for you to just unpack why these iconic figures And this is really an homage to your podcast Psiconography, where where I would love for you to really just I pack. You treat me well. You treat me well. I like to plug. I like to plug. I like to plug. And it's a wonderful podcast and I want people to listen to it, but they better listen to my ship first. And that's why we plug it in the middle, right Okay, there,

we make them, We make them earn it. Listen to us talk, then you earn the plug. Then you earn the plug. But so I would love for you to unpack why you think these icons have chosen to spread the conspiracy theory that they've chosen to spread. Does that make sense? I think I'm up for the task. Hell yeah. So the first one comes from Queen Kylie Jenner Kylie Jenner in she posted on Twitter, and she still hasn't

taken it down. She says, let's ask ourselves. Why did I see seventy five planes spring white stuff on my fifteen minute drive to work? Who pays for this? And why is it happening? Is something being exterminated here? Is that something? Me? Does that have anything to do with why honey bees are dying off really fast? Why are some days normal with no plane sprying and others like this? Who's responsible? What effect will this have on our health

and our children's future? Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? Am I the only one who sees this? Oh my god? Okay? Wait? Also this was like you said, that's right, old body, Kylie. Wow, I mean old everything really and also apparently old brain that still ridges in it. Those are many sentences off. I wonder if this is pre her realizing things? Remember that, I remember that when

everybody loved that, when she was realizing things? Yeah, that was I think you're referring to when she like tried cereal for the first time. Yeah, she had like a few revelations around very basic human experiences. But I mean, what this really says to me, right, is that she's a thinker, and she's um constantly questioning, learning, growing, um, you know, combating the ideas that we are supposed to know.

I'm obsessed with. I mean, let's ask ourselves. She she she poses, it's not about the self, it's about the community. She brings all of us in and says, you know, everybody here, you good bystander, you Mr mailman, you, Mr trash collector, oh, miss nurse. Let's ask ourselves. Why did I Why did I mean on a fifteen minute to see seventy five points? Am I near an airport? Because I saw seventy five planes in the sky? Do I do I literally have private jet flying onto my giant property,

maybe playing convention in town this weekend? Because I saw seventy five planes in fifteen minutes? Have I accidentally landed in a war zone? Did I forget that I'm in a war zone? And that's why I saw seventy five planes? And work is that I'm in the military. Now is this nineteen and I'm in Soviet territory? Is that what's happening? Or kim trails. She's asking perfect questions. When is something

being exterminated? I think, oh, you know, when when I go, oh, there might be a little mouse, maybe a little bumpy quality creepy in my apartment. Time to call seventy five planes? That's what I Oh, that's what I do. So she's the thinker, is what you're saying. She's a thinker. And I looked up the post and I'm also saying, okay, she goes honey bees apostrophe s. She's saying, who's is responsible? Who's is instable? With the sea? You know, I should

note that I cleaned it up. She wasn't exactly. She was typing frantically, I assume because of how upset she was and how many planes were flying so close to her and also low as well. The fumes were getting in her brain, they were melting things. She had to get this out quickly, so Grammar went out the landing in her eyes so she could really see things are clearly. She was typing, and that's why her skin looks weird. Now.

I think it is because of the micro organism. People don't realize she hasn't been getting fillers and her lips have been getting done. It's it's um the after effects of um Mungo mungo knowles. Those are just nano chips. Baby, that's you can thick from the nano chips. That's not science building up in her ats and her fads. Oh baby, you got nano chip ass. That's all that's happened to you. Baby.

You look beautiful, But those are nano chips. In y my long social justice posts on Instagram where I'm like, we must stop glorifying nano chips no more. You're like promoting body positivity while simultaneously yeah, why did you even go and supporting thing um m and I do a lot at the same time, and I want to apologize for it. That's what we call the trifect. And I hear you in this business absolutely all right. Let me read you another fun one. This one comes from Hayden Panetary.

You know her heros from from Heroes Fame. That's right, Hayden. She also was in that movie what is it Skater Boys? Okay, I just she was in something called Skater Boys Racing Stripes. Anybody remember that the movie about the zebra whose biggest dream was to become a racing horse. Biscuit. Pretty bad, pretty bad. That's not great. Zebras are noticeably smaller than racing horses. I don't know how that will work. But because they had, because it believed Doug, I thought you

were inteligent. No, I'm an idiot. But okay, so Hayden right and smashed that movie. I'll tell you what, folks, you got to see it. After you see the happening, go see Racing Stripes. A lot of theaters will do it as a double feature. You just gotta ask you that you don't have the secret movie venue trick is? Do you have to ask at a time. I'd like to see that to advocate for themselves, I say, I want my double feature. I want to know you know what I want. I want to happen to you after

the other. I'll expect my half cherry, half blue Raspberry icy in the seat when I walk in, very much, and obviously I will not be mixing the flavors. I'll enjoy one for one film and one for the other the other. What do you think I am? I do you think I was raised. I was born and raising the black estellar Boston, Massachusetts. You watch your mouth, Okay, So Hayden write, what the heck are they spraying over us? It's been happening for years, but only this extreme for

the past few months. Monkey emoji with his hands over his mouth. It's about the well the emoji is good, and she's saying no more. I love the like. I just like that. It is a call to action that it is like, so everybody's been seeing this, right, so we all know. It's like, I'm just like you, regular folk. There's stuff in this guy, and I gotta ask. I'm fed up. We're all fed up. Let's make some choices.

Let's make some choices now. I hope it didn't impact I hope it didn't impact her acting and on heroes. I hope she felt safe and comfortable on set and wasn't you know, didn't have that perfect role destroyed by the fear of chim trails. Really well, I will say this is a tweet from seventeen, so it was post well, she's free to tweet, She's she's available to tweet at

that time. I love the idea that she was on set of heroes sort of holding all of this in until they finally gave her the freedom to unleash those tweets. You know, I just love the idea of like her, like you know, she just like moved closer to an airport seeing stuff, and she's like, look, they're spraying things on me again. Yeah, they're spraying things on me again.

Her career is getting worse, so she's forced to move closer to an airport, and then simultaneously she's building more conspiracy or it's getting better, so she wants to be closer. We don't know, I've never heard of that. I've never heard of anybody, uh their career getting so much better that they live by the airport. You know, your Bill Murray famously has that voicemail that you can only leave things on. And he lives in a hotel, one of

those ones that flight attendants staying. Yeah, he lives in. And you can Bill Murray and Hayden Panetta, you are the only ones that have the success to live by the airport. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna read you one more. I'm gonna read you one more fun one and then I hope she's well, I'm thinking about we gotta get a hero's reboot on Peacock, for she needs something to stay busy. She kenet be looking at the sky, and

bad for actors to look at the sky. We don't need them looking up their focus on these lines, read these sides. Okay. This last quote comes from Billy Corgan. Do you know Billy Corgan? Oh? I do, Billy Corgan of the Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Corgan who dated Tila Tequila. So we've already got this information of a working genius. And uh so Billy Corgan says. This is from September two, September six, five days after the celebration or memory of

nine eleven. Billy Corgan had this. He said, hopefully they won't kim trail us all to death tonight before the Big Rock Show. L O L, I just love poison raining down so fun. Okay, elevating the art form by using it as a verb. First wow. After the Big Rock Show, Billy Corgan had a big shell that evening and and he was like, oh, I know they're coming and getting me. He's not denying the possibility that will

eventually die. He just doesn't want us to die before the big rock show, so true, so brid of him as well. He listened the Government's gonna kill us. Billy Corgan already knows this. He's willing to laugh it off, but not before his big rock show. No, I never Billy Corgan is like so deeply confusing as a person, and he's like so like he has so many opinions and yet they all amount to much. Yeah, none of them are built with a sturdy backing. No, he's like

part Catholic, part Buddhist. He has met shape shifters before, obviously once again, just half to say againd dated um now famously you know, famously BISEXUALNX with blue eye. Get you a woman who can do both? Okay, not naturally so you know it's operating on a high frequency. Here, he's a man who understand and there there are elements of the inexplicable in life, right, and so to have him point out chem drills, I think, I say thank you, sir.

I tipped my hat to you, Mr Corgan, baldest man alive. Perhaps this doesn't make me feel weird about your music at all. This Actually I feel awesome, perfect still listening to your song because I feel really, really good listening to nineteen seventy five. I don't care. Why should I? You're normal? Well, what the heck you're normal? What the heck you're normal? Billy Corgan? I think nine? Also, I said five, I do that. It's okay. I mean, my

listeners will never forgive you. But it happened, and you burn black people who listened to the Smashing Pumpkins, which there are, and Janelle James is proof. Okay, hell yeah, you and Janelle. That's about it. But they exist and they're both mad. And Janelle, well, I I think we did it. I think we did the whole thing. Thank you so much. We were great. This was some it's fun. Could you tell the people where they can find you

what cool stuff? Yeah? I can. My socials are all at Iowa debris Um, so you can find me there. My name is spelled like it's probably spelled on the podcast. But do you need me to spell it? Just let me know if you do, but quickly, because I'm about to see it. Like nobody's called damn um and um. Yeah. I'm working on a few shows and so if if stuff pops up them, I'll post it there. I get

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