Yeah, but just like just like I seen coming to America or whatever, I never saw et do you get what I'm saying? And I feel like if I mean, sometimes sometimes I say stuff just to you know, just to make white people feels, you know, like I love saying who when they'd be like, you know, merrily streak. I'm like, who never heard of racist stuff? I can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep, there it is. There it is.
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, a podcast where we died deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and we finally work to prove that Miss Cita from Ceda's World can still get it. It don't matter that that booty is in sixteen bit, it's still a booty worth celebrating Square Mario Kart. Booties need love too, and I'm just the
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listen my guest today, she is not fucked up. She she is I'd say she's a good person and and more importantly, a very funny person, an exceptionally funny individual, so so talented that you know hers from from a amazing ship. She's been on all death comedy. She's she's hilarious. She oh oh, she has a show. It's in its second season on Amazon. It's called up Low. Y'all need to be watching that ship. Please give it up. From my guests, miss snap Sho, I'm saying, hey, was I
supposed to wait? I don't know what you know. They're not real people. I'm just pressing up button. But you know how some people are so like O C D. It's like, let's run that back, let me let me do that again. Oh No, I don't give a ship. I I just fumble fumble through this every time we do it. So you know, I'm happy. I'm just happy. You're here. I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, you came with a conspiracy theory that I'll be honest,
it's it's a challenging one. I'd say. It's it's one that that will challenge all of us, both both listeners and podcasters alike. We're we are all going to be challenged by your conspiracy theory. And I won't waste any more time. You said, my mama told me be careful, you can lose your black car. Tell me more since the dawn of time, I mean, yeah, we've all heard it. We've all made that classic mistake where you didn't say
something right. You aren't familiar with whatever is in black culture, something that is cemented, something that they feel like black people feel like whoever the black people you know how we say like black Twitter. It's like, I don't know who specifically black Twitter is. But when they decide something, it has been decided. And if you and if for some reason you dropped the ball, you lose your black heart,
which essentially means you lose credit. It no longer are credited with being a black person, which is crazy, but it happens, and we care about it. Well, that's what I was gonna ask you, and you're already diving in. And I love this. Your your energy, I feel fucking you're your your intensity is it's it's emanating through the screen. But you said that it's it's crazy, and I'm curious to know more. Do you, in fact think it's like crazy in a wrong way or just crazy and are like, WHOA,
that's wild kind of way. I think it depends on the day, because I've been on both sides. I've I've lost the black card a few times. I imagine there may come a time in this episode where you decide to revoke it for your listeners, I'm sure, But I've also been on the other side where I'm like, you really don't no, no, no, no, rum me that rum me that you know, run me that black card. Very rarely though, I'm never on this because because I'm so often on the side that loses it. But I think
that it's wild because where did it come from? You know? And this I think like in black culture, there's always been this thing about like you ain't black enough, or you ain't being black, or you ain't being the right type of black. You know, It's like there's there's always been that thing, and I wonder, like did we do that to ourselves? And the black card is just like one part of that? Sure? You know, Well, let me
address a few things. First of all, you you should in no way fear the possibility that you will lose your black card because of me. Who am I as as light as I am to be taking the black card away from a lady named zay Nab Johnson. You know what I mean, Like, I ain't got no business doing nothing, but you know what, the black card ain't even got the with what you look like or what's your name? You know, they might take a black card
away from you. Book, I've lost a black card because my name is Zane after so soundingly like sounding so ethnic for me to not that's all the more right that like, and that's what makes it so complicated, right, is that it does become if if I can, I hate even making this like a more like intellectual conversation, but it it is sort of like we standardize these small pockets of community and we say this is a representation of all blackness, right, but then that community is
not community communicating with another black community that set itself up and so those black communities start to jet against each other where it's like, nah, the black people of this section of the country don't believe this is what black people do. And then you move to Ohio or New York or whatever the funk it is, and suddenly they're like, yeah, we do that. In They're like, nigga, you ain't real, you ain't black. You I'm taking your
black car. And it often is with things that really don't matter, like I'll reveal to something that in the past couple of years oufter, you know, like my black boyfriend, like I think he reevaluated the relationship with me when it was revealed. I can't tell I can't tell you. In Anita Baker song, oh Man, all right, I wouldn't know it was Anita Baker standing next to me and Trader Joe's I wouldn't even know if people was like, you know, that's if she came up to me it
was like, hey, I'm Anita. I would not be like, oh Baker, no lovely, and I wouldn't be like, I met this lovely woman named Anita who told me, who told me She's doing a show tonight some sort of lounge singer but yeah, I mean I would be like, maybe she saw my comedy. I met this lady named Anita. She's a big fan of man. But that's to your point.
That is a crazy thing, right that, Like you have spent your entire life as a black woman, living around black people, experiencing black things, and then suddenly you expressed to a person who you are intimate with, who you you share everything with, this vulnerability in some sense, and then they go everything you've stood for up to this point has lost a level of value. That's crazy. Wait, wait, see lengthening. Even if you see how five minutes ago
you was like, there's no way I could. Yeah, but then your reaction, the way it's like you had. Your reaction wasn't listen. I again, I'm not taking it away, but I did WinCE. There was a There was just like a slight twin you know what I mean, just a little tink at the sound of not knowing any Anita Baker. I can't tell you one apologize, that's come on, don't if you sing it, maybe I like, but you're saying that I have like you like it, Like you
know if you said to me right now. Beyonce single ladies. I would be able to say, oh, my single ladies, right, or if you said, I don't know, Michael Jackson, remember the time, I would be able to be like you, what was the title you? I can't even remember the title. You just said it and listen. I'm not gonna force it down your throat. I understand. I am saying, maybe you know when you get on you cause right just that I apologize. It's a great song by Anita Baker,
and she likes us streaming her music. Now again she was That's what I was gonna say. I'm gonna say, but I know at one point she didn't want a
body stream of music. But that's because I listened to the news and I listened to like things that I want to know, like I listened to like lawyers a lot, and sometimes you know, you know, like oh here if this Anita woman again, I will say, if you're aware of the fact that you're not supposed to be streaming Anita Baker's music, or you weren't supposed to be, then you're still supporting black women and that's nice. You're still doing the right business, even if your boyfriend is taking
the card away for ex boyfriend. All right, well does here at the podcast? Okay, so you you do see a level of craziness in the way that we sort of like handle these things. Let me ask this, Have you ever been on the side of taking or at least uh wanting to take someone's black card away from them, or or or demanding that someone should lose their back black card because of their behavior. Yes, but only in jest.
I think that it's actually crazy, like in the ludicrous way, like what's happening when someone is really adamant, like when they're really sire, you know, like when it almost when it almost becomes like bullying up, you know, when it's like that, then I'm like, well, why don't you do like like the reaction you had to me about Anita Baker.
If if anybody was born in like the mid to late eight the eighties, nineties, it's like it maybe like early two thousands, if you have before the new Coming to America came out, if you hadn't seen coming to America, because that is such a staple in my my upbringing, I might be like, you ain't seen coming to America. Five heart beats. But you know, like all of these things that were like, this is the reason why we
went to the movies when I was younger. You know, if you haven't experienced that, then I'm gonna be like, oh girl, we might need to take your black card. Right. I was like this five art Beats, I'll be vulnerable with you never seen it, never even never went that down that train. So here, So now here's another level of a black card. Right. They might not take that. They might not take your black card. But then here is to follow up question, do you have any desire
to see it? I'll say this, I have always had a desire to see it, but I've also always felt a weird then diagram existed between what I knew of it and the Temptations movie, just with having Leon and but you know what I mean, like it, it had enough of a vent diagram where it's like, now I get it, I know what the funk this is, and I never ventured beyond that instinct. Yeah, yeah, Well you know why they made the Temptations movie, I don't tell me.
Because Five Heartbeats was so good. Everybody thought Five Heartbeats was a real group. Five five heart Beats was based on not one specific specific group, but an amalgamation of those types of groups, and Robert Townsend felt like nobody's telling the stories of the of these you know, soul R and B soul groups, and so he told a fictionalized version of of a collection of them and got this one group to do like vocals and everything, and it became such a hit after the box. So it's
like a black culture classic. Right, Look how you're doing. Well, I'm behavior. I had none of that. You got all closer to the microphone black culture classical. Come on, Relax, Relax? Is somebody cue? But it was so popular they was like v H one was like, well, we should probably make a Temptations And I do think you're absolutely right
with the vin diagram. I do think that there is something weird, like if you are a huge fan of the of the Five parties, you watch the Temptation movie and you and you enjoy it, but you don't love it the way you you don't love it, you know what. I'll say that in my ignorance, I always presumed that the Tempting Asians movie came first, and so for me it just looked like Robert town was in like did his own Temptations movie and I'm good, like, I'll see it if I see it, but I'm never gonna like
hunt this down. But now that I know, I'm gonna put a little more effort into it, you should go see if this is not a podcast about me telling you what to see, but because even the making, even the making of it, but see this is this. You see this intensity that I have, I'm I'm gonna follow it up with like, so now you don't have a black car, but that's what dropped. That's the passion behind why black Why a black person would revoke someone else's black car. But it's a genuine passion. It just gets
a little bit crazy. I agree. I think it's And you made a point as you were sort of going through a lot of this about the generational quality that exists in this right that like coming to America, for example, is such a staple in in my black life, your black life, a lot of black lives. But if I talk to somebody that's younger than us, that that sort of is worn in the ax and like very much a person of like this new generation, they might not
value coming to America in the same way. And so for us to then go you ain't black, I think creates like a weird sort of like you know, bumping bumping against each other, because like, how the funk would they know? They ain't. They weren't around for Eddie Murphy when he was really Eddie Murphy. They got Eddie Murphy when he was putting on like Reykae hats and playing guitar m m. And they may have seen coming to America too, that might be their first introduction to it.
And you know, I'm gonna I worked with Amazon at this point, so I'm going to you know, but you know, it's it's it ain't what you want to start win. No. Hey, hey, we're all out here doing our best. But but it ain't.
It ain't the original. And I think yes, but there's also like there's this other side of being a black identity, right, that is so serious, right, that thing where there's so much um is ms attached to being black, and there's so much trauma attached to black identity in the appearance of blackness, right, And so to then disqualify somebody who may be dealing with the real ramifications of being a black person in America but also in this world dealing with that to then say well, you don't speak a
certain way or you don't have you haven't had the same experiences of me. You're not tapped into the culture in the same way that I am. And so therefore, no, you're not black. That's a really toxic conversation. Yeah, and I do think that is where are some of this sort of like gets into a very sticky trap, right, is is you are isolating people from a community that they very much identify with, largely in that they cannot unidentify with it, right, Like you can't stop being black
in America. Even the most like the people who we labeled the coneyest combs, you know what I mean, like are still in some ways like they're black. They have to be there. It is inescapable for them. And so to then be like, yo, you can't kick it with us, like they don't stop existing, They're they're just now feeling isolated and also you know, dealing with whatever, like you said, the ramifications of of trauma and the white man's trickery
on on the other side of it. Yeah. Yeah, let me ask you this last question before before we go to break, because I'm enjoying where this side of the train is going. Do you feel like then there are people who I guess would celebrate the idea of the
black card being revoked. Like if you look at a Candice Owens, for example, like is she is she cheering at the idea of her her you know, black card being taken away from her losing her black herd is a Terry Crews pumping his arms and being like, fun, yeah, take it away. I don't need that ship or is this Is it more complicated than that? I think it's definitely more complicated, more nuanced than that. I think that you would find somebody like Terry Crews maybe saying something
like that in jest. I think that a Candice Owens doesn't have the humor capacity to you know, like we'd be like I don't need you know, like, thank god, you guys took my black That's that was the last thing I was holding onto you, you know, thank you for you know. But I do think that there are people that exists that are black that might take on the pride of not being identified as black. And this is not this is not so much a visual thing, but it's a behavioral thing, you know, in a social
status thing. But they wouldn't do it in front of other black people. Oh you know, that's like something that you say, are you watching bel Air? Am I personally? Yeah? You cann't pressure on me. You represent Amazon, I represent Pico. Yeah. I love Bell my favorite show. Can't get enough of it. M m mmmm give me that, Will Smith boy, Well, since you know you you know that scene, that scene that you know, oh so well, you know I know it, But go ahead and describe it anyway for our listeners.
Not the character Carlton, that the new vision of Carlton. He's in the locker room with his prep school buddies, and if they're all white guys and they're singing a rap song and the white guy you're saying like and word and word and word and word, you know, and that type of I could see that sort of character feeling like in that space, it's okay because nobody knows, but the moment Wills character is now in a space. Now there's conflict because there's a witness to this. There's
somebody else that's opposing that. Do you get what I'm saying. I think it's it's interesting because you're suggesting that there is so much of our black identity is related around community that like, without the community, what is blackness? Right, it is something that we can easily, theoretically at least abandon were it not for a bunch of white people
being you know, ridiculous, violent and angry towards us. But like, we could abandoned the blackness if it weren't for the fact that other black people are nearby, and then we gotta be like, Ship, I gotta be I gotta be black all the time and with with this other person. And so it becomes a bit of a catch twenty two in a way, right, because it's like that is both beautiful because then that's how we connect to each other,
that's how we relate, that's how we identify. But then it also seems hindering where it's like, oh funk, I gotta I gotta perform as a community member at all as all times, at all times instead of as a singular person. M h oh, Ship, this is heavy before break. You know, we trying to go to break on some last lines and Ship and you're like, no, I'm about
to hit you with some wisdom, motherfucker. Well here here's a joke I was trying to tell you know what They're trying to get Ellen up out of here, right, And I'm like, no, I was. I was like that Ellen can't leave before I dance on her show, right, And I'm like and I'm like, but but I've been practicing.
I've been practicing my Ellen dance because I gotta dance well enough so black people know that I can dance, but not too good where they like, look at her doing too much for the white but for the white lady. I'm saying, yeah, I feel like that was even deeper. But I made you laugh. You go to commercial, No, I'll decide when we go to commercial, I'll dare you. But I will say that's that's a good fucking point,
because there is. It's a sticky situation because you go out there and you do too many moves that look like you're rehearsing, Like look at this naked tap dance for the White Devil, and it's like, no, you gotta just stay in your pocket, you know what I mean. But all right, well, we're gonna get you on Ellen with this episode. In fact, we're gonna take a break. We'll be back with More's they napped Johnson and More. My mama told me and we are you have your passport?
Did you get your shocks? Girl? Would you like to come back with Rob to a brandit com? Yeah, we're back here more. My mama told me, I heard Kelly and so long, and I like to throw him in every once in a while and see what it does for I heard our Kelly is And what's crazy is
I'm like, oh, I noticed, Oh but I ain't supposed right. Also, it's literally the most predatory thing he's ever done, at least in a public space, of begging a bunch of foreign women to come back and get their get their shots first, obviously, and then come back to America to be his captive. And this was during he was already he was like on probation. My man did not give up. I don't on bail, he would say. He was like,
I don't, Yeah, I gotta, I'm gonna do me. He's like, no, I can still get a captive you this, this can still work. Let me let me dig into this research with you, because I I like I said, because the black card itself is more of a euphemism than it is a real thing. There is no actual black hearted obviously, is a topic that lives more in theory than hard facts,
but there is. It got me sort of thinking about like the idea of revoking a black card, right, And I found the Chicago Tribune article that explored this author's complicated relationship with their black card, or at least with the way that the black card is sort of treated out in society. And one of the things that they
said was complicated is this constant response. And it feels like a very new response that comes from white people in saying how sort of like unfair or racist it is that black people are able to utilize and or even refer to a black card because the same would not be true for a white person. That there is no white card. And I'd love to hear your thoughts on that white people are crazy. White people are crazy. There are no black people. I'm about to say some
real stereotypical things, but there are no black people. Like it ain't it ain't even fair that they put in cranberries in their potatoes. Have like, we're not over here looking across the fence saying it's like and you actually can do that, that's not up to us. If y'all want white cards, you can have white cards. Yeah, you can have white cards. But just know if you say, now give you losing your white card, that it just
feels different. It feels different, it sounds different, it feels different. But you know what it is. I actually know what it is. It's because at the end of the day, black culture is the essence of everything you know, and we're able to make everything so cool even in our diste. Instead of saying, oh you ain't you ain't seen this thing that I've seen, You ain't have the same. Instead of saying that, we say, run me a black card.
We make everything so cool. But then if you actually think about it, and this is gonna I'm getting real hole teppy now you know, if you if you if you think about doctors, they nap for the listeners at homes. They just pulls out an on and uh then go ahead. She literally intense. Uh. You know, when you think about like actual credit and currency, Right, what's the highest level of credit you can have when people feel really really on they it's a black card, right, was hired in
a platinum car was hired in a gold card. It's a black card. And the fact that we use that you from, you know, we use that term in a very different way. It's still a certain they're still we're still putting a there's a certain like hierarchy to you know, I'm a white car sounds whack, right, We're we are beautifying, Yeah,
every part of our our language, our communication. Even as we are taking something away from one of our peers, it is still taking a It's taken the best of the best away from them, not just some bullshit to your point, which a white card would be like I don't I don't want that in the first place. And ultimately it's it's celebratory, right, because when you are quote unquote taking somebody's black card, you're not taking it because you're not like, oh you ain't kill five nigga's give
right there, nobody saying that. It's like, hold on, there are these things and our exist in our history that we we have to, that we want to and that we always hope will be celebrated. And so the only reason why we're saying we're taking your black card is because if you don't know these things, if you haven't experienced these things, and that means at some point in this history it will stop, and we don't want it
to stop. And so really it's it's it's celebratory. And I mean, I think that we have been like the people who have found a way in all of the strife and all of the hardship, we found a way to celebrate everything, you know, And so I think in essence what that person in that article is saying, we're like, it's unfair we don't have a white card. It's like, yeah, and all the ship that y'all have, all the privilege that the quote unquote privilege that that people say that
a certain group of people have. Y'all don't be celebrating, right, Yeah, you're white parties. They don't even play music. They just sort of standing around and check with each other. Listen, even when you said white party, I thought about a whole bunch of black people were white. No, But I think to your point, it's it's we don't always have a lot. We're not always sitting on like fucking gold
in terms of the resources that we are allotted. But we are sort of finding ourselves in positions where we're creating fun and interesting games and all kinds of cool ship inside of that, and that, I think, to your point, is frustrating for an outsider looking in who goes, well, we took everything from them, Why are these niggas still giggling? Like why the funk are they still finding ways to
have fun inside of that? And that's frustrating. I imagine if you if you wish that we were dead and gone, I guess mm hmmmmmm. I just you know, like just
on a just on a person to person level. I rarely, and I mean, you know, Lenggsten, with all of our ambitions and goals and and sometimes you find yourself, especially in this business, you find yourself, you know, looking at your peers sometimes who may be moving at a different pace than you, and you may be like, dang, I wanted that thing too, you know, and why did they get this thing or get this opportunity? And I didn't be outside of that. I rarely. I ain't never really
looking across my neighbor's lawn like what they over there doing? Right? So concept of a person doing that, but then like an entire like race of people doing like what they over there doing? And why can't they look like that? Why can't we do it? That's like crazy to me? Sure, No, it's I think it is. It's I've never once to your point I literally I don't even know what the ladies who live across the street look like. Like, I'm
just mind my fucking business to some extent. And the idea that people who are not your neighbors, who are truly, truly just people existing out in the world, are causing that much of a distraction to you that you feel like you need to police the way that they speak to each other, the way that they they are communicating inside of a smaller world, is fucking nuts. There's no other explanation for it. But we we gotta help. I mean, I think this is I think this is our plight,
and like we're gonna we just gotta help. We gotta help white people. We gotta get white people some cool ship. We gotta find out what they white card, you know what I'm saying. We gotta get them a white card. We gotta get them, we gotta get them some white culture so that they got that, you know what I'm saying, So they But here's the thing, we wouldn't care, Like I swear if I heard two white women like what, you don't know who paris help in it? Yeah, give
sorry for the impression. I don't know why I have Okay, you don't know who Paris Hill it is. Give me your white card, girl, I would not care. I would yo, it would give me such a good bit. I would crack up laugh. I would be like, oh, you know, yeah, I want I want to who else they got to know about it. We gotta give them a word, They gotta give them stuff so that they also feel like we got this cool thing. Yeah. No, I think that's that's a very beautiful way to look at their insanity.
It's like, yo, y'all could have it too, if you would just stop focusing on us. You truly, and we don't even have the power to police you most of the time. Like even you know, I have frustrating conversations with with our white peers and in sort of the comedy industry where they go like, you know, everybody wants diversity now, and I feel like I'm not. I'm being overlooked or I'm not getting the opportunities into slight bro.
I don't think that's fucking true. And even if it is, like there's still so many pockets that we haven't made it into, Like even if the threshold is starting to bleed towards wanting black and brown voices mixed into the whole thing. There's a bunch of ship that just still is wholly, totally white that you can thrive in and will not reject you in any way, shape or form. So like, go do your thing, Go have fun in your little white space, if that's that much of a
concern for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I was just I was, you know, I was thinking like also then be you know, for so long and and and you know, I really want to hear what else you found or what another research you found. But it's like, for so long, you know, a certain group of people were able to be average or not even you know, and it's like, so now in order for you to not be overlooked, you have to be a bit more than it. And
so work on that. That's not actually not my fault, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's not that's not our fault. But now you have work to do because now you can't just show up. You actually have to show up and stand out. Yeah, this this really shifted from nineteen fifties NBA to nineteen you know, NBA. You gotta let's play some ball, you know what I mean? At gonna cut it and even still not really you
know what I'm saying, I it's very rare. There's still there's there's so many billboards that are like not like like we're doing you a favor, We're being severely empathetic and kind and patient having this conversation. Why am I being overlooked? Or I wish, well, we don't have a white car that that shows our compassion. But it's like, yeah, yeah, we shouldn't. We shouldn't even have to entertain this, you know.
So this is what it got me thinking about because as I was reading through this article, he's sort of this author was making a bunch of points about how the Black Heart itself is not in fact racist, and so much of it is just a sort of like response that comes out of, you know, exactly to what your point, the insanity of white people wanting to modify and take control of black voices, black perspectives, all of
that ship. But one of the things that I got to thinking about it, and and I'd love to hear your thoughts on, is a fear that I've I've been feeling for a while that maybe we of them too much of our ship. Do you know what I mean? That like, sometimes I worry that, especially because of the Internet, we're making so many of our black cardship available for their entertainment that when they take it, we're always baffled and like,
how the why would you? How could you, Kim Kardashian do the things that we do in our spaces, And it's like, yeah, but we told the bitch everything we do and a goofy motherfucker like that is gonna naturally do it. And I'd love to hear where you stand in all of that. Do you feel like we're giving too much away? Or is that me shaming ourselves for Yeah, I think it's I think it's blaming the victim. I
think we're just living. The young black girl that does a dance on TikTok, she just did a dance that day. She fucking heard a song, she was inspired, and she's so gifted that she came up with a fucking dance. They got millions of youths and then a bunch of other people do it, So it's not we have to blame the Ellens of the world who then grabbed the white kid that co ops that dance and puts them
on the global stage. That's not that that that little girl was just living her life and utilizing a tool put in place for her to live her life. That's it. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, so what so so so what I'm what am I supposed to do? Not wear corn rows for fear that the that the Kardashian is going to where the corn Like? Do you
get what I'm saying? Like, Oh, we're actually doing is living our lives and in living our lives more and more so boldly and unapologetically, which I think is absolutely beautiful, you know, And I think I but but I mean it goes back to people that ain't nobody give up rock, Nobody give that up. People was playing their hearts their souls there. Do you get what I'm saying that it is not It is not simply that we, uh we handed it over politely to the people who commodified it.
They simply they took advantage of a situation. They stole the rights to this type of music or to the songs themselves, and because they were in charge of the radios, they were in charge of all the other things, it became theirs. We didn't hand it over, and I hear
a lot of people exactly. I hear a lot of people say with with I'll just say protesting like in this country and around the World's like, well, if we just stop, you know what I'm saying, if we stopped, as you say, giving, if we stop spending money, if we stopped, yeah, sure that sounds good. But what are we supposed to just stop living our lives? Like you want us to come to a complete stop. And I'm not saying I know somebody is probably listening, like no,
no, no no, it's not stop spending your money. It's spending your money in black were black places. It's like that, Yeah, that's that's Do you think I don't want to spend my money in black places? Right? But when I just need some freaking toilet paper because I just ain't. It ain't no black toilet paper when a seven eleven and it ain't no black toilet paper? And Target? Yeah, do you get what I'm saying? So you you gotta stop.
So it's it's like you it's like really asking us a person who is really just as people were just and this shouldn't be blamed like a naively in the pursuit of happiness. Yeah, no, I think that's fair. And I will say I feel that fear that I expressed to you, but then I feel all the things that you're saying along with it, right, is that people shouldn't have to to sort of like squash their goals or their lives or keep secrets from you know, the outside world.
Young people shouldn't have young Black people shouldn't have to avoid the internet at the cost that like they're giving away a part of our culture. And so it really is more a question of like why is it that there's this incessant need to either control or or at least take it exists in this white community more than it is being like black people, shut the funk up.
That's just hot. I was I was on this on panel recently and they were talking about like black voices and more specifically black female voices, and like, so how do we continue to you know, push these stories and something. I'm like, you know this, this is probably like a really idealistic answer, but it's actually like a human kind issue because like I don't need to be a kid to watch a kid's story. I don't need to be
a man to watch a story. But you know what I'm saying, I don't need to be white to understand white people in their stories. And so you shouldn't have to be a woman to want to see women. You shouldn't have to be Black or Spanish or ending and or Asian to want to see those stories. And if you are, you're the problem. Whoa they NAB's hot, y'all? She mad, she came on very, she came on very bois, her bun is undone. Now her air is everywhere, you know, And it's like, I don't know quite how to fix
an issue that I feel like starts in like the soul. Well, I mean, you know, that is the challenge that we're facing now, and it's sort of the frustrating one that that I at least feel sometimes in in these there's this instinct now where white people say some crazy shit and we shame them, we we tweet at them, we go how you you should know, mr Man, that actually this was started by a black person, and shame on you for not knowing that. And it's like, I don't
know that that's fixing anything anymore. And that's part of what I mean about life, the giving, and maybe it's more of a giving of our own spirit because the reality is is that their souls are so broken in a lot of ways that there's yeah, I think they're finking. You know, I'm laughing at both of us, like God days, but for us to know and work with so many white people, But no, I think there's such a brokenness in the way that that as a mass their culture
moves that you shame me. It's not like you say that ship and they go, oh ship, My bad. I didn't realize I've learned something today. And maybe that's a natural human instinct, right, like we're not always quick to to acknowledge our weakness. That's the very animal thing that exists inside of us. But I do genuinely think we've reached the point where we have to stop negotiating with with qualities that we know are they they know, they're
not dumb, They're fully aware. They just don't like us, bro, And you tweeting at them ain't gonna make make them cooler, you know. M hmm. Let me ask you this though, and this is just this is a little aside. Have you ever seen like a white person make a mistake and then a black person call them out and you'd be like, damn, I didn't know that either. All the time. Now, what black person, did you know? I would have lost I would have lost my black card, but then white
person just got down. Yeah it's crazy, brother, any who, Uh, yeah, No, it happens all the time. And so it's one of those things that I think, I think we all have have a responsibility to just be humans inside of some of this ship and be honest that, like if a person corrects you, a person corrects you, it isn't always racial, It isn't always rooted in some like indignity to to another person's like culture. It truly might just be you
got some ship wrong. And if you can un undo the part of you that goes like why is this white man saying this to me or this black lady talking to me this way, we might be able to just reach a point where we go. My bad dog truly had no idea. My card stays intact, Everything is, Everything is as it should be in terms of who I am. Because we're we're a little more tolerant of each other. Mm hmm. Let me ask you this last
question before we go to break. I'm curious to know because one of the things that this article sort of addresses is this massive wave of of sort of like young black people especially, but I think it's black people of all kinds who sort of are are constantly pushing Blackness is not a monolith, right that there is no singular black experience. Yeah, our experience. It's all the people that are like why why is a black man who I have to vote for Democrats? The Democrats ain't done
shipped for me? Like where do you think they fall in the world of losing black cards? Is a person who who sort of takes the position that like, yo, I don't want to align with all of these these things suddenly less black or is that more complicated as well? That's definitely more complicated, And I don't think I mean,
I definitely don't. And in terms of like, um, the black card, I think that they're like culturally prevalent things, but not not so much political things like if somebody is like yeah, if somebody is like well why especially if they're especially if they worded in question form, you know, then I'm not gonna be like, oh you ain't. You ain't vote abiding man, you you're losing your black card. Like I think that, I mean that that might be
the most idiotic things. Sure you know, and and it's it's actually more insulting when because it just hit me thinking about that statement. When a white person kind of tells you that you're not black, enow, you're losing your exactly exactly, like if you don't vote for me, then you're not black. It's like, that's the same as saying that work, you said something, you said something in the community that you ain't a part of, You don't got
you can't even determine that, you know. But I think that a quote unquote cultural staple is different than a hard conversation, even if it's a conversation of discourse in an attempt to, I don't know, find a solution a group of people. I don't think that I don't think that a black card plays in I think that's a healthy way to approach it. Yeah, I think it's a dangerous game when we start getting into political conversations and
sort of like these grander, existential even conversations. But to your point, if we're talking about like, yo, you ain't you don't you know, do this with your grits? All right, that's that's a conversation where we can remain silly and casual inside of it and still be healthy communicators on the other side of it. Yeah, Like, I have the same response if a person is black or white. If somebody is like, um, they voted for I don't care
what you look like. If today you're like, no, I'm fucked or world war I'm gonna have the same sort of response. That's not a that's not a black or you know what I'm saying. That's not like I'm not gonna be like, oh man, you want to you want them to go to war? You ain't black. I'm gonna have I don't care what what your gender is, what your ethnic makeup is. I'm gonna have the same response. Yeah, this ain't a racial conversation no more. You're a nut, and I would like you to stop behaving the way
you're behaving. But I think that there are certain things that are in that same demo that I named eighties, nineties, early two thousand's that they experience it's in a very like white way that I didn't experience, and that and and that would be okay. If they were like shocked that I didn't except, that would be okay. And if amongst their peers, like if white people sat at the table, and we're like, you didn't see signs felt right? I would, I would understand that. Yeah, yeah, And I think they
do shame each other for that. And maybe point they can start adding cards to this ship, like take some cards away, let's see. Let's I think this is the grander point that I think I'm getting from all of this. We need to create more hierarchy in the white community. You all have been living sort of at this like, uh, this shared white experience without acknowledging anything for too long. I'm trying to see some some kings and some queens rise up. I'm trying to see some poppers fall down.
Let's let's start a white world war, is what I'm saying. Let's I ain't even I won't be there, I won't tune in. I won't. It's like what they what they do. It's just like my neighbor across the street. I don't know what they're doing over there, and I don't care to know. They ain't none my business. All right, We're gonna take one more break. We'll be back when more's at Johnson More my mama told me, and we are. Ain't nobody got time for that. Yeah, we're back here
when Moore's they nab Johnson more. My mama told me, we're still talking about the possibility that a black card can be lost, taken away, revoked, as the the Classic Card Games suggests. Okay, this is exciting for me because as I was looking through research and trying to unpack the possibility of sort of exploring this conversation with you, one of the things that I found is a a running list on ironically buzz Feed of all places, you know, the place where all black people go for their for
their news and information. But buzz Feed had a list of things that they believe or at least a a Twitter conversation started that might represent the revocation of someone's black card. They're taking away of someone's black card. And I'd just like to run through some of this list with you and see where you fall in terms of number one, whether or not you this would in fact take your black card away, But number two, whether or not you think that these are important enough to be
deciding the worth of someone's blackness. Okay, all right. The first one, and this was originally this entire sort of like train was started by this dude, Chris Evans, not Captain America on Twitter. But he said, don't revoke my black card. But I've never seen the whiz black hard. He's got his. He's losing his black card immediately. Only for that. That's the thing that's the beauty about the black card. It's like two seconds later they you take it.
You know what I'm saying, like, you get it back, okay. You know it's like we got multiple black cards because it's like lengths and if you took my black card, then I could go and sit down with another black person and it's like they don't even know you got my black it's reinstated. That's a nice You're right, it's a very nice thing of I can go, I can go spend time with a different group of individuals and they're like this the blackest black andy motherfucker I ever
met in my life. And you're like, yeah, I'm back, baby, Yeah yeah, I got I got nine black cards that are being held from me right now. But I got thirty two black cards over here. So now a couple of these places I can't go back to. They got my picture on the wall, they say I can't come back in. But everywhere else I'm good. I'm still black. I'm good exactly, but I don't think the wind. I would never say that the not seeing the whids makes
you not black. Maybe you don't like musicals. That's a good that's a good response, because but now I am I'm gonna be real honest with you, like saying I might give a black person a side eye if they like, I don't funk with the wids. But oh that that that wizard of Oz. That that Wizard of Oz. Don't that that's my ship? I don't wid. Then then I'm gonna be like, yeah, because now you're adding a layer to this ship that didn't exist before. Hold On, it's
the same story. Hold on and the songs say different in the wind. You're making a hard choice there. Okay, this was This was another one that came up. It was not knowing how to play spades? Where do you fall in the spades conversation? And of at all. I do understand that people I take spades very seriously, but I wouldn't take somebody's black card because I wouldn't expect to lose my black card because I didn't know how to play spades. Because I also think spades is a
very regional thing. I agree, because there's card games that people from the South say, I have never heard of them in my life. I've never heard of these card games in my life. But it's but but that's what they play. They don't place. But you know, so my wife and her her grandmother and grandfather play pinuckle, and they like fucking They used to. They go crazy with pinuckles.
They used to be in tournaments for pinnuckle. And then one time I was like, hey, bro, just teach me how to play pinuckle and it's the goofiest fucking game because you gotta add extra cards to the deck and all the ship. But they're from Maryland. So if I, you know, and in Maryland, some old black household, I go, I don't know how to play pinuckle, They'll be like, get your corny asside of our house. This you ain't
playing pinuckle. What you're doing. I'm happy that you set cards because when you said pinuckle, although I've heard that before because I'm sure if somebody kicked me out for not knowing how to play pinuckle, but I don't even know when you said it, I was like, does that involve dominoes? Like what, what are the tools of this game? The instruments that we use for this game. I love that. Okay, this is a this one hit me. This was very
complicated for me. This one came up where someone said, don't revoke my black card, but I've never seen the Wire. Well maybe they just couldn't afford HBO. See it's certain things you have to you get what I'm saying, Like,
but but here, here's here's a funny story. I was how sitting years ago for this white woman who lives in Veness, her her and her husband artists, like really really hit the artist, and I'm how sitting and as I leave, She's like, Zana, we left the box, but we left the season one DVD set of The Wire if you want to check it out? What does that mean? And I felt, I don't know, but the fact that she was white made me made me check it out. But I swear it was a black lady. I would
have been like, girl, I'm watching what you know? But like that told me to watch the Wire, And oh my god, I watched the Wire, you know, but for some reason, I just felt like it was like the black things she had in her house yet like that, and you know, and so and so, I I never watched it. But here's the thing it was funny about some things are so in the zeitgeist at a certain time. I've never I've seen episodes like Independent, you know, some
episodes of The Wire. I didn't watch the entire you know. But but that's truly because I was poor, sure, and and it's like I'm a kid when the Wire is on. My parents didn't have HB Like that's simply what it was. But even more to that's like, to me, it's a really weird thing for that to somehow question your black card for a television show like you said on HBO, which is, you know, a prime network, premium network network that wasn't served the same black people for a really
long time. But then additionally is made by a white man, Like it's not like this Mother Care is like nobody's like David Signon is down dog. That's that's that's mother we rock with. It's just he made the thing. But here's the thing, I know, who string our bell is? I still as much as I never seen it. I know the guy never seen the episode of Power, but it wasn't for me, and I moved on. And I don't tell people often yeah, yeah. I mean I keep
quiet too. Whenever you know I haven't, I don't. There's very few black people that I have interacted with outside of the world of comedy. And one of the worst things because you know they're watching there's so many spinoffs now. They sometimes they see you the morning after they watched the last episode, so it's like, have you seen have you seen Power Book? And I'll be like, I don't even say I haven't seen it. Like I don't say no,
I don't want. I used to say I don't watch it, but I stopped saying that because it gets a certain response. Now I say I haven't seen it yet. On my wife, I haven't seen it yet. That's actually where I'm at him right now. I'm about it's on my It's on my list of things to do, just not yet, but but definitely not never, not never, not yet. You know what I'm trying to see? What come on? Okay, I'm gonna hit you with a couple more and then we're gonna head out of here. But but this one was
interesting to me. Hating color greens, black eyed peas, baked beans, and yams. They listed all the foods apparently, but this entire list of foods potentially could revoke your black card. Where do you stand in all of that? Yeah, you can lose you. I mean I wouldn't personally take somebody's black card away. I would be wondering, like what your taste buzz is like, because it's like those are pretty good tasting, like they're different too, like you mentioned sweet
stuff and savory. Like where do you just exist on like the scale of like food, like you like that forget being black. It's just like I don't really want to go out to eat with you, Like that's to me, you know, but I do understand with like if you're not that's that's essentially sold food, and you're saying you ain't rocking with all the soul food sides, then it's like, yeah, they're gonna they're gonna take a black right. That's how I felt, was like if I say all four of
these things are gross, me cool, take it away. I don't deserve this ship. But if I'm like, yo, I'm more of a greens some black eyed peas dude than a yams and you know big beans dude, what that's just preferential. Man. We all got different taste. But yeah, and then you ain't even really saved yourself. You ain't be like but I've loved sweeper tato. You know what I'm saying. You would have came with the positive at the end. You just you just laid all the sides
out there. It's like you so you don't like the vestigies. All this starts just okay, mm hmmm, I'm gonna heard you with one more and then we are going to get out of here. I want to find a really good one on this list. Oh this this will do. Not owning a bonnet to protect your hair at night, does that get your black card taken away from you? No? Okay, don't all right, no it doesn't because I mean lengthy. I think you know this. I had a shape tap for eight years. I ain't nothing and that will. Let
me just tell you I felt free. I felt for really okay. I felt for real. I didn't think about my head when I laid down and go to sleep. I felt I felt for really okay. Every every shower the water was running on the top of my head, I felt for really okay. So no, and we all have different like I mean, the bonnets are very useful and and very helpful and protected for specific hair type.
But that goes back to black people not being a monolith, right, Like we all have different hair types, and a lot of people think, which this is a really ignorant thought, that you have to be a mixed race person to have a particular hair type. And it's like, you know, I'm the same, It's all my I'm the same as all my twelve other siblings. I got the most course hair right of the sibling. My sisters have hair that
you would say, oh, are you Ethiopian? And said, you know what I'm saying, Like they're trying to figure it out because people believe that black people have one type of hair if they're not something other than Do you get what I'm saying, there's not some sort of exoticism attached to their blackness? Yeah? No, I have a homie who I asked recently just found out that he hadn't
been perming his hair this whole time. He's like an older dude, and so I thought he was still doing like that ship that Diddy and Loon did back in the UH and that I Need a Girl Part two video, you know what I mean? Like they were how they had like the finger wave joints. I was like, baally, this thing is still doing the finger waves, Ship, and he was like, na I just I'm just a black man with with softer hair than than Yeah, you know
my counterparts and I don't. I don't know where it comes from, but that's just the way it's always been. I was like, oh, Ship, all right, cool, I'm glad to know you ain't doing this over your sink like we did in high school. Yeah, it's so it's so interesting too, like that last one you asked me. It's funny how you someone can say if you don't own a bonnet as a black because really they're talking to
black women, right, It's like black guy's own bonnet. It's like if you don't own a blond, if you don't own a bonnet, then you lose your black card or you're not black. But then a black woman, comedian Monique, told us, why are you wearing your boy? Why I got to see your bonnet? You know what I'm saying. So there's also this there's also this opposing conversation that happens with it. That's the reason why the black card is so fun Yes, and to your point, if we
keep it fun. This is a game worth playing. But if and you said this originally, if we take it seriously, this ship is asked because it's just a bunch of people yelling at you from different directions, being like you're not black enough, you ain't black in the right way that I expected. It's crazy. Yeah, damn, I think we did as they nap. I think we. I think what a wonderful episode. This was great. Could you tell the people at home what you have going on and where
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