Bed Bugs & Beyond (with Clark Jones)

Bang bang bang, skeet, skeet skeet. The area is Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenon devastating episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep into the conspiracies of the black community and we finally worked to prove that Irma Pete Hall may have lost her leg in the movie So Food, but I assure you ain't. Nothing happened to that ass. You're sitting on something sturdy, big Mama, and I want to eat mac and cheese off of it every Sunday. That's right, Irma

pe Hall, come and find me, sweetheart. I'm trying to see what that meat do. It's meat. Your host leg stan kermy the man yelling sexual comments that irma pe Hall. That's what I'm into. You should know that about me. I'm very excited today our guests. A phenomenal comedian, a dear friend, a man who I've known longer than almost anybody I can think of in my my journey as a comedian. He was one of the first comedians I ever met. He hysterically, you know I'm from Comedy Central.

You know I'm from r I P That NBC. Uh what was that ship? Go? Well, what is it not Quimby the one before? Yeah, see so r I PC. So, But goddamn did he have a funny set on there that NBC couldn't maintain because they didn't invest right in to see so? But this motherfucker's funniest shit. A dear friend. Give it up for Clark Jones, everybody that's up for everybody were here. Don't be bad that Chicago got to promote. I got to entro myself. Yeah, my credit was a defunct.

My credit was a worst version of Quimby. Well that's not true. See so I had a lot of good things that they just didn't give a funk about and uh let die. Yeah it was. It was ran by NBC. I wish NBC knew about see so that I wish they knew, Like there's like see so it was like some money they found in the couch. Oh that's ours. Oh oh oh ship. We were supposed to be in charge of that. Wait wait us, NBCTV the thing Bill cos you tried to buy Okay, all right, and now

I see maybe we were responsible for his downfall. Maybe this whole thing was right. Bill didn't like that. I mean, damn, we need this. We need another reboot. We need this Cheers reboot to pop. We needed money for that. We have to drop C so we had to drop it. How are you, dude? Man, I'm never as good as I say that I am on the podcast. Sure, sure, you know what. Let me say this. I appreciate your your transparency in this. A lot of people are like,

I'm great, and it's like, no, you're not. You're crumbling inside. I'm never I mean even more so today. I had a terrible experience this morning, and I'm just it's one of those things that I took care of. But just because you put the fire out. That don't mean it didn't cause damage. Right, I'm dealing with that. But I'm here. I'm glad to be here, glad to be talking to you man, and not a complete stranger. Hell yeah on

the podcast saying I'm great. If if you were a stranger, I would be like, I'm great, man, Let's do it. I'm excited. Yeah, And it was me. You're like, hey man, things are crumbling, but tell you a little jokes. Let's let's get to it. This is just a FaceTime that uh that we haven't that's recorded with a secret person. Well, I'm excited, if nothing else, to get into your conspiracy theory, because very rarely on this podcast does somebody come to

me with a conspiracy theory. I've never heard of before in my life. This is a brand new one to me, and not in a bad way. I'm it's one that I heard and I was like, I don't know, maybe quite possibly. I'm listening, and I want to make it clear. You said, my mama told me the mattress industry intentionally introduced a bad Bucks outbreak in order to sell more mattresses.

You nailed it, that's it, Yes, tell me more. Where does this come from where what I lived in New York from through ten nineteen, and when we moved there, there was no outbreak and about they were just everywhere. And then they went from New York and all of a sudden it was across the country. And then we just stopped hearing about it. And I would go to Times Square and I would just see, like why is like the mattress company like Prime real estate elevators like

Red Carpet, and they just kept popping up. They kept popping because you know, you take advantage, Like I think O c D is one of the biggest affliction that it's taking advantage of people who like, oh that has a spect of earth, Let's get it out of here. The bugs motherfucker's was like you go up and down Brooklyn, you just saw poorly plastic wrapped mattresses all of the

down Pulsey Avenue. It wasn't just the big companies like you you walk down the block in a little march like one um, I forget the name of it, but like, yeah, just all these little shops was just open. That's interesting. Okay, You're you're digging into two things that I think are are really important here Number one, How the fuck does a mattress company get real estate in times squared? Like, what did y'all do that made it that you could

be next to the eminem store Square mattresses? Yeah, you go to a nick game, didn't get a seey postopedic was just there's something off here, There's something something isn't And so to that point, maybe there's a possibility that this is, uh the way that somebody's washing their money. Maybe this is a big wealthy person who is figuring out a way to clean up the otherwise corrupt money that they bring in. Or these companies are figuring out a way to get money where in places and in

ways that maybe are normal for regular mattress companies. Maybe you know, people needing a new mattress, you do that whatevery like five to ten years tops broadcast comics having like it wasn't even like, oh this is extra money, Like no, I got to get because not only the infestation, the stigma, right, And I lived in a bowl in Bushwick, Like bushw Week is built like a bowl, And yeah, I was wondering why we were able to afford it is because we lived at the bottom of a bowl.

So whenever range, and it stormed a lot. I didn't even storm know it stormed that much in New York. But everybody's insects, dirt, whatever, slid down to the bottom of the boat and the basement in Bushwick with no windows. You were literally the lowest point of Bushwick. We were that that last that last Oreo cookie Cereal, the last soggy one that was that was you, And therefore you

were getting the runoff of everybody else's ship. Think of it, Yeah, like a Cereal boat, like that last Captain crunch as all the cherry, the crunch berry read all over it. That was our apartment. So we got flooded, we got big bugs, and I had to get into mattress. Yeah, and so naturally you went to a place to buy a new mattress post bed bugs p B D or p B B pete what is it? But you go, you get this new mattress, and do they try to upsell you? Are they like then like, hey, you need

this bad bug resistant mattress. I had no idea what it would even cost. So yeah, I mean, like, I don't if if the demand went up, then the price go up. It wasn't even it was the mattress. And it was like, oh and you need this special. You need a big cover, you know, a mattress. Uh cover too because then the bad bugs then they go like, oh man, you should protect it. We can get it. Oh mantel supposed to get in there. We got we need we need indoor. They just they got us on

the outside of the bed. That's not good. And they like that. And you know what you else saw? What else you saw on the telephone poles, like the big thing you see when you see like bad bug. We take care of bid bugs, cocoa dog just like everywhere everywhere you went, and you saw that, and like the Dollar store had to praise so like in front of the store. It used to be to your point, there there starts to become a thriving industry around bedbugs. Anything

bad but related was selling it. And and in your mind based on your conspiracy, because I do think and and let's clarify this is something you genuinely believe. Okay, cool, you said it in a very matter of fact way, like what kind of fool would ask that kind of question? And I will for our listeners at home, I want to be clear. Yeah, the fool. The fool who believes it is Clark. The question is always why wouldn't they Okay, now I'm listening because that's how they get you. I

I hear you. That is how they get you. That's how they get you. But okay, so what you're saying is is that somewhere along the lines, this outbreak happens, and in your mind, the big mattress, the mattress industry, knows that they can gain resources from this whole experience. I guess my question for you is do you believe that this mattress industry created the outbreak to start off? That they are the ones that incited the outbreak. Here's the thing. I think people took advantage of it, and yes,

I do think this was intentional. Wow. Yes, So like Dr Seeley of Seeley Post repeated Mr Alvin certa recast was now whenever they were doing to get rid of bad bugs because they're like, oh, dirty motherfucker's just started coming to New York and right they didn't start how to getting through Now they stronger coming from coming from the old country. No disrespect, no disrespect to all my older listeners who might have come from the old country. Country.

I just mean to state the ferry. Did they hop off the ferry and decide like, oh this is nice? Did they just take their way to Brooklyn? Like no, and it's such a commuter city. Yang, how come I could go to the Upper east Side and it wasn't crazy? Right? Yeah, to that point, we're all constantly on trains, were all constantly bumping up against each other. In theory. If I'm sitting at home with bad bugs, so should this uh

this Upper east Side, Max Sinista, if you will? And instead she's not getting it, But I am every man on the Upper east Side come from Crown Heights. Mhmm, so the ones I would let watch kid? Right, If your nanny ain't Jamaican, what did you even do this for? What? What are you in the game for? If you ain't gonna get a Jamaican woman to raise your children, You might as well live in Brooklyn. You might as well live there. Ye from there, you might as well live there.

You might be there. You should be a name if if you're Jamaican. I love that. I love that line of Jeff Foxworthy jokes where he's just like, you should be a Jamaican living in Brooklyn you might be a Jamaican nanny if you to grammars. Oh, Jeff, when are you going to stop being funny? You know? That's all I want? Man, I think I need to come up with something like that, but I forget to write it in my notes. App so sure, like all my million

dollar ideas. That's the only difference between you and Jeff Foxworthy is he he doesn't forget to write it down. He wrote one thing down. He was like, I gotta keep this big going. This is tight. You killing right now. So okay, you said something interesting, because this is something that I, in hearing your conspiracy theory, was sort of struggling with. I thought, for a second you were suggesting that the mattress companies had sort of bio engineered these

bed bugs. But I think what you're saying, and correct me if I'm wrong. I think what you're saying is they in fact, just stopped doing everything they could to protect us against the bedbugs, thus allowing them to come

into our lives, thus increasing their revenue. Yes, they didn't do everything they could to protect us or stop them, including releasing them, unto so what you're saying, and I just be you're saying that, like when I go to a mattress store, and specifically in New York City, and what you're saying is somebody is intentionally picking up a bed bug in a pair of tweezers and placing that bad boy right smack dab in the middle, and presuming that that bad bug will, over a course of time,

lay eggs and repopulate inside my mattress, thus making it necessary for me to go back to them a year later and be like, hey, I got the ship. There there's a that this could be manifested, including and I'm not saying this to be sure because I didn't I don't have the facts, but including pretending to be sweeping as an exterminator of other bugs and planting who hold up way to goddamn minute, hold the hold the motherfucking phone, Clark.

I think you just got us into a segment that I want to call talk that Talk, And in Talk that Talk, I'm gonna give you thirty seconds because you just got into something terrifying if true, horrifying if true, I'm gonna give you thirty seconds. I'm gonna play some music. I would love for you to fully unpack what you just said. About the possibility of the exterminators being in on this whole thing thirty seconds whenever you're ready. In the words of Giuliani, this could be anything. This is

deep thing. Why wouldn't they You have no idea what they're doing. When they knock on your door and say, hey, we're from the landlord you never talked to, and we're coming to just phrase some stuff. They could be unleashing whatever bugs because look, if they got rid of all the bugs, there would be no organ man. The point is to have something to exterminate NonStop. It's like Chris Rocks get about medicine. You don't cure anything. They keep it going so they have an industry. Damn, damn, goddamn

motherfucking boys complain nothing about that goddamn game. Tell you it's no point in getting rid of all the bugs if you're trying to make money. Wow, listen, that's devastating. If it's true, that's fucking devastating that this entire industry is built on the maintenance of keeping infestations in people's homes because that's how they make their money. I'm listen. I didn't start this podcast fully on your side, but I'm getting pretty close to it. I'm I'm coming around.

Why would they not keep it going? Okay, let's take this a step back for a second, because I think this is important for for everyone to be able to make sense of all of this. Where did this come from? For you personally? Are there other people in your life who support this theory? Are you alone ranger in this fight? Where are we at having bus right? Which? Get it? You're nasty, but I'm saying, are there are there other people who you've run this past who are now on

the on the bedbug conspiracy train? Literally everybody who are presented this to win? You know? Oh, is this a bit? That's what they said first, Yeah, potentially if we can workshop it. And then they went there's nothing. There's nothing to workshop because I believe it so much. It's not funny, right, They're like, look, if this is what your comedy has turned into, if you're more of a truth teller at this point, I'm off the train. I'm not. That's not

the kind of comedy I'm subscribing to. So look, man, if you want to do a ted X, I'll support you in that, But what you're doing right now is just spitting them hard, real facts, and I ain't trying to hear nothing else. Tedex sounds like somebody who comes in to remove bugs, but they don't just spreading bugs. That little is either that or it's a white dude who went to one Nation of Islam meeting and uh,

you felt real inspired. One more house and he's Ex also known as ted X. He just shows up like, Hey, did y'all know there's racism out here? Don't report no more? Just out of nowhere, just at the rib shop, eating sides. And honestly, it's more because it upsets his stomach than it is because he's actually passionate about like the health and rules of religion. But he's like, nah, you know, if black people said that I'm down, I'll do it. But he's wearing the same color scheme from Belly, the

black white with the black tie. So you believe them, are You're like, okay, Well his life different? He don't. He don't you don't do beer cake stands no more. So. He wears a boat tie, but it's a vine your vines bow tie, and you know he ain't fully down. Before ted X says anything, he takes his glasses off points I would like apartment. Yeah, I loved TEDx. Listen.

I think you're you're hitting something really important here that so many of the industries in our country, in the world are built on necessity, right that like there there is no job that can't exist without a a need, uh a want on the side of the consumer. And so with that, extermination is exactly the same, and mattresses

are exactly the same. If we're not replacing our mattresses every year, then presumably these mattress companies either have to sell mattresses for insane prices, which they already do, that's already a well known fact. But then on top of that, they also have to find a way to keep refilling that consumer base, and the best way to do that is by making our mattresses fail us in various ways, potentially through infestations. Here's the thing that really sells it

for me about any conspiracy period. That's what I heard, but I'm not always sure treat. And also, this is a big industry, and people are always are attempted to be nervous about exposing things. But I'm always like, even if it's true, what can I do about it? Right? That's that's the beauty of a wide sweeping plot to take advantage of everyday America. There's nothing we can do

about it, even if it is true. Right, So, so to your point, when you're sort of like exposing big mattress for their ties to bed bugs, you, I guess to some extent, are admitting you're pretty weak in this. You don't have any real power to be able to stop what's happening. Nothing you can do about it. You just gotta buy a new mattress. Wow. And so do you then go and buy a new mattress? Are you then just like you just buy it begrudgingly, but you do it? Wow? That well, that just okay. Now that's

upsetting me here, Clark. It feels like you, being sort of a person on the ground floor, in the bottom of the bowl, if you will, of this whole thing, would want to create a new system where we don't sleep on mattresses anymore. Now you you Japanese, Now you sleep on them weird you know floor pads that they like, Yeah, exactly like you. You. I would think that you would want to explore new options, but you're saying no, I'm I'm still fully invested in in capitalism. And all of

its tricks. Who enjoys? Who? Who can go without a decent night of sleep? Who of you doesn't need to sleep well? Sure if if you can do that, especially in New York City. You've been on the train, you've been at work, You're going to open mics, you're going to two twos for a late night wrong, you're getting a drink. All these things. I'm just showing out at this point, just something very specific to you. You're over

the Jeff's house. You hang out with him for about thirty five to eighty minutes, it depends if Jeff's in the mood. Then you head over to the It's Saturday, so you go by green Point and you think about taking it skateboarding class. But then you're like, come on, dog, you thirty five? What you mean skateboarding class? Get over this. It's too late, you promise yourself. So you walk back a little bit. But that Dunking Donuts is calling your name.

You could just get a stale blaze, Oh ship matchup still going, No, they're done, So you scirm me around you know, some artisanal ship, and then you just that's your day. Sure, And to your point, that is a very long day. That's a an arduous day, and therefore you need a good rest at the end of that.

Bad boy. Now here's my concern, and here's where I will challenge you, is that I do, in fact think that maybe there's an alternative to a good night's sleep that we haven't discovered that is sort of absent of the mattress companies. That maybe the mattress companies have a hold on our minds in a way that we don't know. We could have a good night's sleep without them. Bitches, you know what I'm saying. Okay, I would love to hear that, because it isn't even cool like in other cities.

No cities where it's safe to catch some sleep on the train have a train mm hmm. All the cities that have trains, it's very unsafe to catch forty wings on. So if the conspiracy is bigger than just like mattresses, they look at every single angle like you have to get that that rest. When you get home, you can

knowing you have been bugs. We are, especially in places like New York City, you are living in a sleepless prison that you are never going to be allowed to get the proper rest that you need, and so you are clinging to these mattresses because of the salvation that they offer more than just uh, they are a nice way to go to bed at night. You know the worst thing about New York City with that it's overcrowded

all day year around people. Your bid is the one place, one place where you can be alone, not with bed bugs. You've got company. God damn this, well, this hurts my feelings and it makes uh, it makes me. I'm spiraling. I don't really know what to do. But we need to take a break. We're gonna take a break. I'm gonna get my ship together. Hopefully Clark's gonna keep spending that hard truth that we need and we'll be back with more Clark Jones and more. And my mama told me,

and we are back. Yeah, we're back here with more of my mama told me more. Clark Jones. Were still talking about the way that Big Mattress has constructed an impossible nights rest without their involvement, and thus all of the bedbugs and pests and night ruining, evening, ruining, life ruining potentially things that they throw in the mix in

our own lives. Do you think that there was like a singular meeting, Like do you think there was just a meeting of the minds where they all sat down and we're like, hey, sales are dipping across the board. We gotta do something, and then that's when the bedbugs idea came or do you think it was more like a gradual process to that. There's there's board of investors if you if you follow and find out who had when he invested in Certa and seeley and then that

sh wow. So you're saying that potentially there's like, uh, there's a Jeff Bezos on the other side of this, There's a there's a Koke Brothers on the other side of whatever this is that basically is now planning growing their profits from the destruction of our lives. You don't name names per se, but I watch a lot of I watch a lot of Drill Chicago Get Back YouTube videos. So I don't name names, and it might even be names we don't even know. That's the thing about it,

because there's there's a yang to being woke. You know. Beginner's like, oh man, you get the funk after protests, right, But the yang is there's nothing you can do about

the thing that you're now woke about. Right. Frederick Douglas and his and his Slave Narratives talks about this a little bit where he says that the worst thing you could do to a slave is to teach them how to read, because ultimately you are enabling them to now understand the language of their imprisonment, of their slavery, as opposed to before when they're ignorant, they're trapped, but they don't quite understand what that trapped is. But now they

understand every detail of that experience. And I think to your same point, once you've woken up to the fact that big mattress, once you dead, or at least once you sleepless, there's no way you can go back. That is crazy, man, That just that, just because I've always thought like that, And I didn't know me and Frederick Douglas were both geniuses. I thought it was just him. I love that, man, Damn. I didn't know Frederick Douglas

was deep like me. So you mean to tell me Freddy Ducks was retweeting my thoughts before I was born. That's crazy. Oh man, Okay, that's what it is, man, Yeah, that's that's that's a great point. Like, did you know, like the whole walker thing, this is just a sidebar, but like, um, the idea of what is it on the Walking Dead? Those are called zombies. Zombie zombies came from slaves thinking that like if they killed themselves, then they would just live forever as slaves as zombies. Wait,

wait a minute, because I don't Okay, I'm listening. You're saying that the original conception of zombies came from slaves fear that in dying in slavery, they would remain slaves forever, and if they killed themselves, they would just remain as the zombie slaves forever. That was the hell they would have to be slaves. Wow, And this is this is you're saying the original zombie like that's where the whole thing came from. Whoa if true? Devastating? I don't listen.

I don't have the research, and you didn't know basic Frederick Douglas quotes, so I can't trust you wholeheartedly. But that is just the idea that that's where it came from. As fucking devastating in that Yeah, to your point, it's it's we're trapped in this forever and always in a way that like it is inescapable or more more suicide would have occurred. Mm hmmm, that's how ingrained it had

to be. Like why wouldn't you just say, man, this right, Like, there's no reason to stay in this life of servitude unless they can figure out a way to make you fear even leaving the worst version of this experience. Wow, all right, Wow, okay, let's get into this. We didn't even Yeah, I didn't know either, and uh not to look it up. As I'm telling you, it's all out that that was out there, so you can look that up.

Hell yeah, okay. Let's talk a little bit about bed bugs um and and their history, particularly in this country. Bed Bugs have apparently been around for thousands of years. There's even evidence that like the ancient Egyptians, like we're writing different stories about how to get rid of these pesky little monsters whatever. Right, so for thousands of years they bothered humans. But to your earlier point about us sort of starting to resolve the problem with bed bugs.

In nineteen thirty nine, this Swiss chemist named Paul Herman Mueller discovered a pesticide called d d T which proved to be super effective against bed bugs. It was a triple H finishing move. No, not triple hs, although he did use it quite a bit, but it was a finishing move in the w W E. And then it

also was apparently super effective in killing bed bugs. Uh yeah, okay, So d d T Apparently the way that it's so effective is because more than any other chemical, it has the ability to stay on surfaces for a really long time, like it linkers for a really long time, and it attacks the nervous system of the bed bugs, so it just like basically melts their fucking insides. But then in nineteen seventy two, d d T is banned in the US because apparently it also has cancer causing agents in it.

It's like a carcinogen, and it becomes like this super dangerous thing for them to be uh putting in people's homes just to get rid of insects. So one of the services it could it would remain on is your loans, h right, Like you couldn't get rid of this, Yes, exactly, You're sitting in here and your bed bugs are their insides are melting, and apparently your insides are melting to just a little bit slower than the bedbug bugs. Yeah, Okay.

Now here's where your your suggestion starts to get really interesting, because even after nineteen seventy two, there's not like immediately this massive outbreak of bed bugs. Once we start banning d d T, right, it more or less kind of stays under control until around the nineteen eight mid nineteen eighties to mid nineteen nineties. But and then this is

where it really gets interesting. In the in the year two thousand, there's this massive uptick in people claiming to have bed bugs because and this is the claim, is that there is now a d d T resistant strain of bed bugs that suddenly pops up out of nowhere. Bad bugs just suddenly are no longer allergic to the thing that otherwise kills humans and everything else, this thing that was killing humans out of nowhere, the strained of it that you can't kill that, like, humans, stop taking

this or you're dying. But the bad bugs like, are we back? Yep? The bad bugs are like, no, we're good. Give me a big old tall glass of d d T. I I don't feel nothing, just chugging. What is this? What is d d T stand for delicious, delicious tasty? Because that's how I'm that I'm drinking it. I love it this drank. I can't think of a T at two, but this drank turned I'm a bad bug that talk like uh talk like the year sixteen and I love this. Yeah.

So the bed bugs apparently are now suddenly not allergic to the d d T. And here's where it starts to get this. This part turned me off and I'd love to get your thoughts on this. One of the reasons that they claim, or possible reasons that they claim that these bad bugs are suddenly becoming uh DDT resistant is that they may have come over from Africa, that they were sort of these Africanized bed bugs that then show up to America and now our d d T. Uh.

They're too strong. They're stronger than the average bed bug. And that's when that's when I really started believing this. When that when the when the thing turns to is Africa they came. That's when I know a white man did it. That's that's that I was like in ninety seven percent. Now I'm at like night because as soon as it was he came from Africa, they ain't nobody

going over there to find out. You know what, I'm saying, like all the storm the tornadoes come from Africa, Like come on, man, yeah, yeah, yeah, they It bugs me whenever they start suggesting that, like the entire continent of Africa is servicing up these like more power for more dangerous versions of the things that we have in America.

The African eyes. B it's not a it's not a more dangerous be It's just a bee with a vengeance that you that you brought over here, white devil that you introduced to your America and now you're sitting here resentful that you didn't leave the motherfucker alone. Just leave

it alone. I mean, after all this time, like it's white folks who went over there too, Like, but you say it's from Africa, and people just assume it's from Africa, right that that it is Africa's fault, when in fact, in more cases than not, it is the white man's fault for traveling to a space that was not his and bringing back something that again did not belong to him.

Sierra Leone is a French name, no Nigga's name, Sierra Leone exactly, and one of the things one of the things that they argue for these bed bugs and for The reason that these Africanized or foreign bed bugs sort of make it to the US is that in the eighties and nineties there is this massive uptick in national and international travel by airplane, and so it's part of the reason that we're getting these different species and strains of these these insects traveling to different places is because

somebody goes to let's say, Sierra Leone, they hang out there, and then they come back with now a different type of bedbug, one that has built up a resistance to d d T, largely because they're using in in Africa, they're using mosquito nets that are laced with a different type of protection of chemicals that basically built a strength in the bed bugs that live over there. Yeah. I wish I could go find out, you know what I'm saying, like, Yeah, but there's no way. Who got time? Who got time

to find Yeah? Yeah, this further is my point, right, I think So, I think it's it's definitely not hurting what you're what you're building here. There's also an argument that bed bugs over the years, through evolution, have built up a thicker exo skeleton that because they're exo skeleton, they're outside shell is getting harder and thicker. It is making it harder for these chemicals that otherwise would have killed them to penetrate their exo skeleton and thus melt

up their insides. But they're so tiny mm hmm. They're like if they're living breathing organism, and these things can harm us to that to to murder us. Yep, I mean the droplets are bigger than the bad bugs. Sure, I'm listening. I'm not sure what point you're making, but I'm you know, what I'm saying is it ain't like if it's like if it's there, it's being breathed them, and you're this big. I don't give a funk how big is a shell? Is there a shell over your nose?

If you have a living breathing organism, it's going into your system, right, And so one of the things that they're saying is that, uh and and this goes to your earlier point, right. And this is where the research I think really takes a turn in your favor, is that if in keep in mind, so much of it already has, but a multimillion dollar industry is born from bedbug prevention that isn't d d T. The one thing that they could confirm was capable of killing bedbugs is

now taken out. But then all these other industries are born where they start to convince people that if you buy this product, or if you invest in this thing, or if you replace this thing with this thing you said,

Lee can get rid of these bed bugs. And this goes to your original idea that there's no way that they can actually confirm a lot of the things that they're saying are killing the bed bugs in fact are killing the bed bugs even with all this information that you know, if you had a bed bug right now, would you buy a new man? If I had one right this second, would you buy a new mattress? It's tough, man. Listen,

I'm gonna be honest with you. It's pretty tough, and and I'm gonna get into some reasons why right now. But it's some of what I found is pretty devastating. So here's the reality with bed bugs. The reason they're so difficult to kill is because number one, they lay dormant for long periods, sometimes months, right and then on top of that, they only come out during certain hours in the night. Okay, so the bedbug can like lay in the middle of your mattress undetected for a really

long time and you'll never catch it. So in theory, if I find a bed bug, I have to presume that my mattress could potentially be infested. Now I could take the time, because they do say that there are ways to kill bedbugs, right that, like through heat and through uh suffocation and all the different things that you can do to get rid of these bedbugs. I could presume that maybe I do the work to get rid of them, or I could presume that I go to a mattress company and ask them to replace it. To

your earlier point. Though, there's now something in dealing with the mattress companies where they pretty much are pretty open that like recycling. I think they call it, like mattress rejuvenation or some ship is a fully real thing that like a reconditioned mattress is something that they basically claim is something you you know, they stripped down and they sterilize and they repurpose and sell to consumers and you

buy it knowing it's a reconditioned mattress. But they keep those mattresses in the exact same places that they keep new mattresses it's not as if like this is kept in a separate area. So in theory, if these products are as ineffective as they seem to be at killing off the insect that is so hard to kill, in buying a new mattress, I am simply reinvesting in a new bedbug infestation, which I don't need. I'll go with the ones I know. I'm just imagining Scrooge McDuck swimming

in bed bugless money. Yes, he re sells you at the higher price the mattress you used to have. It's it's devastating. There's an article I read that was on NBC News where they basically tracked this mattress company as they picked up a bunch of mattresses that were on the street, and before they picked up the mattresses, they checked each mattress for bed bugs. Found that one of the nine of them that they watched, these this mattress company pick up did in fact have a bedbug infestation.

They put it in the exact same pile as the other mattresses. So maybe they did in fact sterilize this and break it down and do everything they could to

get rid of it. But the point that NBC news was making, and sort of the science behind it is there's no way of a percent guaranteeing that you fully have gotten rid of these things without like like cracking the motherfucker open and like picking it out one by one and so like, you don't know, you know what else business thrive about this big as plastic rep Yes, yeah, you had to wrap it before you consider it outside exactly.

And that's one of the things that they talk about as like part of this multimillion dollar industry that that came out of bed bugs. It's it's plastic wraps that they claim can keep bed bugs from penetrating your mattress. But one of the things that scientists say is that bed bugs don't actually need to be in soft surfaces.

It's it's a ruse that they're selling you that like, oh, if you cover your mattress, you'll be straight, when in fact, bed bugs can live in the cracks in your walls, they can live in the cracks in your mattresses, they can live in literally the cracks of the foundation of your floor. So even if you're able to get rid of the bed bugs on your surface, you can't guarantee you've gotten rid of them from your home entirely, or even worse, from the entirety of your apartment building. And

I can't. I can't speak to the intellect of bed bugs, right, and I can't imagine them on the bed and they see you struggling mightily to wrap with that big as m hmm, classic wrap and they just go there like DAMG, I wonder what's gonna happen with that? Oh, they go back into the crack until that new matches come in, unless you fumigate, unless ted X comes to your apartment and sprays the cracks or whatever. Ain' saying they all crooked. You're saying that's one point of injury. I totally agree.

Here's another scary thing that I think you brought up earlier was about the uptick that people saw in terms of pest management. So a recent bed bug pest control survey, this is them surveying the people who are in charge

of pest control where they can. It was conducted by the National Pest Management Association, the mp m A. Apparently it's a real thing, but they found that bedbug infestation in the United States continued at a high at high rates, with nine seven percent of pest control professionals having treated for bed bugs in the past year, and that number is significantly higher than fifteen years ago, when it was only twenty a pest control professionals saying that they had

treated bed bugs in the past year. So it went from twenty five to nineties seven in fifteen years. I'm no, I'm but if my bank account went from to ninety seven, Yeah, I'm worried about bucks no more. Sure you got that money, got them? Got the Upper East album, We got that Jamaican anybody you got that? And now and now your kid has a weird accident. This is what we're all striving for. This is the America that capitalism builds. This

is the danger that we're fighting against. Is potentially big Mattress and all of the corruption that they've cooked up that affects our entire lives, not just the ones that we we can see on the surface. If you will, yeah, okay, let me hit you with one last little piece of

information that blew my mind. One of the things that they specifically say about these pest management companies and sort of the bullshit that they're able to cook up around bad bugs is because they can't guarantee that they're getting rid of them. They start to offer all of these alternatives for getting rid of them. So one of the things that they started cooking up is, like we talked

about the mattress covers. Another thing was bed bugs. Sniffing dogs is apparently a thing now, where like they say that like they can train dogs to sniff out bed bugs in your home or in your mattress. But I started thinking, all right, if I'm a pest control company, either I number one, get a dog and train it to always smell bed bugs, whether they're there or they're not, because then I get to fumigate and charge you extra money. Or alternatively, I get a dog that can't smell shit

and charge you for bringing the dog in. And then the dog was like, I don't know, I don't smell nothing, and then you just stick with bed bugs and I still have to come and fumigate later. Or the dog okay, it's a dog sniffing that dog killing uh huh. So so you know the dog just like, yeah, got big bucks. You're like, yeah, so okay, do something. I got fleas, So yeah, now player, I got my own problems. Matter of fact, you got fleas down too. Hey player, I

ain't gonna lie to you. You got some more problems that you go. I have to deal with because I got I got bad news, and I got worse news. The bad news is the bites on your face are a bad Bucks. The good news or the worst news is you're gonna have some other bites on your face be bad bucks, They're gonna be something else. The terrible news is I gotta go shaking out fleas. And the heartbreaking news is I can't be here no more. Man. My owners said, I gotta get up out of here.

So I'm gonnall ad you good luck with your little infestation wolf wolf and all that piece out? Which which way is that decap? I got to go. I love that the dog can sniff out bad bugs, but you don't know which way the dick alp to stop it? The misdirection. It's too hard. You don't known. Man. Here's

the last little bit that I'll give you. And this heart made me feel especially sad is that more often than not, when bed bugs are biting, when they're actually like fucking people up with like those sort of infamous bedbug bites that you see all over people's bodies and faces that is in fact coming from an a allergic reaction. That bed bug bites themselves don't show up very well the first couple of rounds for for the average person

who isn't allergic to bed bugs. And so in a lot of cases, people can have bedbugs and never know it, or at least not know it for a very long time because they're not having an allergic reaction into the bites. So we all might have them. They might just all the little good night, let don't let the bad bugs, might might just be part of the deal good sorry, so genetically like you're not even aware because you're not allergic to him and I had it' isn't that crazy?

Between nineteen five I heard nothing of bad bugs from from me hearing that song as a child, as a toddler. Twenty it took twenty more years for it to return. Coincidence, I think, I think by your argument, it is in fact not a coincidence, and big bad bug is behind this whole thing, and it's ultimately ruining our world. It's ruining everything. It was a sad time in Brooklyn, man, because that's all people talked about. But then nobody wants to talk about it because as you called, you call

me dirt. Yes, Yes, the shame, it's it's a very shameful thing. And everything that I read is is it says how important that shame is in selling these products,

that it's always about discretion and keeping things quiet. And even though they can't prove that these products work, people grapple onto grabbing and buying these products because of the possibility that maybe if I spread this stuff, or maybe if I fumiligate this way, or if I get you know this seat this dog who don't speak English to come into my home and sniff them out, I can avoid the shame of people realizing I am, in fact a bedbug owner. Dude. The biggest people hoardering light, soul

and anti and disinfectant stuff. We're people who call COVID of hoax. Yep, it's like COVID to hoax. Yeah, but it's people who don't think that, and I know how to take advantage of it. M h. There it is. This is all just a big scheme. We're gonna take one more break. We'll be back with more Clark Jones and more. My mama told me, and we are bad. Yeah, We're back here with more like Jones, more of my

mama told me. We're unpacking the way that capitalism has strategized ways to ruin every part of our lives, including our sleep. And now we're gonna play a game, Clark. This is this is a fun game. I'm gonna introduce to you a very fun game that I think you're gonna enjoy. Its call white lies. Ugly. You're disgusting. I'm gonna kill you. Give me two hundred dollars. Okay, white lies.

It's a very fun game in which I am going to introduce to you a traditional white conspiracy, one that white people have supported to some degree for years now. And I would love for you to unpack why you think this conspiracy is so important to white people. What do you think they're holding onto? What are these sneaky motherfucker's up to? Do you know what I'm saying? Okay, hell yeah, your conspiracy today. And this is my first time hearing this one, but it's very exciting for me.

Your conspiracy today, uh comes from the movie Frozen. The movie Frozen is where your conspiracy lives. But apparently there are some people who believe I'm sure you've heard this before, that that uh, Walt Disney froze his head, right that when he when he died. There's a theory that Walt Disney may have froken, had his head cryogenically frozen, so that he could he could ring himself back in the

future at some point. Right. There are some people who believe that the movie Frozen is in fact just a big, a big ruse. It was written just as a way to throw off the algorithm on Google, so that when you type in Disney Frozen, the first thing that pops up is not Walt Disney's frozen head. But it's in fact this now multibillion dollar film and and subsidies and all the things that were born out of it. My question for you is why do you think white people

are so invested in this conspiracy? Well? Can I say a couple of things. First, Yes, this is probably true. You gotta say why. You can't just leave it at that. Ted Williams is crogenically frozen. M hmmm. The baseball player, um, Boston, where you have spent a lot of time. I thought you're gonna say where you're from, and I was gonna fistfight you VI where you learn how to do comedy.

I don't. It's hard to say. Let me just say to the white people who are holding onto this, like, you don't need to freeze walk Disney like his racism is alive and well there's no there's no need. It's like they're freezing them to say, oh, just in case we run out of racism. Oh, nobody imagined racism the way that Walt Disney him. He had a whimsical approach makes it enjoyable. He wrote songs, He turned Mickey Mouse into a caricature, did like it's it's fine, it's on

break part, it's on that new the racist Twitter. If you holding onto it, you don't have to, it's it's fine. It's well, so yeah, I think that's why they like, just like whenever we just need man me, I'm sure

is somewhere is somebody locker literally right. So, so to your point, this is them holding onto the whimsy of like an antiquated racism and the belief that frozen was somehow a protection against that is really just adding to the mystique of Walt Disney and his his brilliance that like, oh he planned that you know, eventually people would know that his head was frozen and they would have to protect his his identity or protect his choice via this film. There's got to be a study on how many pages

deep people go on Google searches. Oh, it's gotta be like on average people. I think I've at most, I've gone to like the eighth thing age, Well you've gone crazy D. That is deep, right, Yeah, that's what I thought, Like eight pages is kind of I forgot what it was for, but it was. Oh, I mean, you could say it's born, this ain't a family show. You could just say there's a there's a specific set of titties that I I remember and I would love to see again.

Adam twenty two from the No Jumper podcast got a video They used to be readily available. All of a sudden, every fucking everybody deleted it. It can't be found. You can't even buy it. That's how that it is. So I went a pages D and I still can't find it. So I think, like, if you type Disney frozen by the ninth page, you should come up with something or just skip to three. Sure, I think, and this is what pr people are constantly. This is the whole point

of their job is that the Google algorithm. Actually, they say that at the point that it's on the second page, it no longer is an issue for people that like, literally nobody goes past the first page for their Google searches. So what you really want is to just get the ship off the front page, and you're pretty much good no matter what it is, including, you know, freezing your head or forcefully coming on a lady in a way

that she didn't want to, whatever it may be. What if what if Love Disney's head was one of the fake audiences, like the NBA bubble. This is the ABC partnership that they agreed to. You're gonna have to put the froze a head front round, saluting Hitler, drawing, doing

all types of crazy walk duds and stuff. I would love it if the frozen Walt Disney head was sitting right next to Barack Obama when they forced him to like give a motivational speech in the middle of the NBA bubble where he was like, hey, by the way, remember the vote fellas and shocks, sitting there nodding like he didn't understand what they time. He's underneath the Black Lives Matter symbol just put just Walt Disney, he didin't got no fingers, but he wants to flick you off.

You better believe you can get right. He's just sticking his tongue out at Black Lives Matter pin in hand. But just listen. I believe now. I'm I'm sold that Walt Disney froze and said too, You're good at conspiracy theories. Clark. You did it. You really nailed being a psychopath with me. And I appreciate that. I'm in the basement. Hell yeah, so that part this was beautiful. Could you tell the people at home where they can find you what cool ship you have going on? Do I want it to

after this? Uh? At the Clark Jones t e Clark Jones on on on Instagram and Twitter. We have some fun over there, man. This has been really, really a good time. And I haven't store Classic Black Customs. Yeah, Clark does some some dope ship, customizing clothes and shoes and making everything look fly and and uh yeah, y'all shoot check them out. Check out his et C store, listen to his insane theories, and then go buy things

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