What could it look like for leaders to help their people embrace and embody a robust egalitarian conviction? “Emerging egalitarian” Dr. Jeff Liou, InterVarsity’s National Director of Theological Formation, joins Layla and Rob to reflect on his own journey with egalitarianism, and he offers a compelling picture of a theological formation process marked by humility, curiosity, deep community, and thoughtful encounters with difference. 00:00 Introduction 00:54 Guest Introduction: Jeff Liou's Backgr...
Jun 21, 2024•26 min•Ep. 133
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, hosts Tara and Todd Korpi welcome Pastors Mark and Michelle Benson, co-lead pastors from Dothan Assembly in Alabama. Mark and Michelle share their journey of co-pastoring, highlighting the biblical call for gender equality in leadership. They discuss the challenges and growth experienced in their ministry, the importance of recognizing each other's strengths, and navigating environments resistant to female leadership. The episode emphasizes the significance ...
Jun 14, 2024•32 min•Ep. 132
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, host Mimi Haddad welcomes Dr. Marlon Winedt, a seasoned Bible translator, theologian, and philosopher. Dr. Winedt shares his vast experience in Bible translation, particularly his work with the Common Language Papiamintu Bible and assisting translation teams across the Caribbean and the Americas. He discusses the joys of translating the Bible into local languages, enhancing their prestige and accessibility. Dr. Winedt also delves into the complexities and cu...
Jun 06, 2024•59 min•Ep. 131
This second installment of a two-part episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. We’re joined by Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams, two biblical teachers who have written extensively on women and the church. In this episode, Andrew and Terran discuss the concept of the 'tiebreaker rule' in marriage and argue for a mutualist perspective that emphasizes equal partnership over hierarchy. They talk about Junia as an apostle in Romans 16:7 an...
May 16, 2024•22 min•Ep. 130
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, hosted by CBE International, Dr. Roy Ciampa discusses the significance of Bible translation and its impact on women worldwide. As a seasoned Bible translator and professor, Dr. Ciampa highlights how translations can shape perceptions of gender roles, stressing the importance of considering cultural contexts to avoid perpetuating patriarchal interpretations. He delves into the challenges of domesticating and foreignizing translations, the misinterpretation of...
May 02, 2024•38 min•Ep. 129
This two-part episode is the first in a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology––dynamics of power, authority, and women and men, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society as a whole. We’re joined by Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams, two biblical teachers who have written extensively on women and the church. They provide exceptional insight in this interview, allowing us to establish...
Apr 18, 2024•30 min•Ep. 128
This episode begins with news! Layla and Rob’s podcast thread is changing, from a solitary focus on how mixed-gender ministry partnerships work in the field to a wider discussion about how egalitarians can practically engage not just interpersonal dynamics, but systems, theology, culture, and more. And the best guests to talk about this shift? Layla and Rob! Join the hosts as they answer listener-generated questions about podcasting as a medium, what they’ve learned along the way, their own hist...
Apr 11, 2024•30 min•Ep. 127
This episode of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by CBE International, features Dr. Roy Ciampa, the S. Lewis and N. W. Armstrong Professor of Religion at Samford University in Birmingham, Alabama. Dr. Ciampa discusses the significance of Bible translation in promoting women’s biblical equality, his background as a missionary, professor, and Bible translator, and the process translation teams undergo to resolve translation challenges. Highlights include the impact of Western translations lik...
Apr 04, 2024•43 min•Ep. 126
Sit down this week with hosts Angela and Liz as they chat with Rev. Dwayne Jackson. Rev. Jackson shares his expertise about working with the Reformed Church of America and how the stories from his fellow sisters in ministry catapulted his everyday practice of mutuality. He also describes his love for those at the margins and his pastoral position as he pastors alongside his wife as equals. Tune in and hear not only his story but HER story as well! Guest Bio Born and raised as a son of the Mott H...
Mar 30, 2024•44 min•Ep. 125
In this episode, Kim Dickson and Amber Burgess interview Dr. Karen H. Jobes about Esther. As a lifetime teaching professor, Dr. Jobes skillfully explains the academic complexities of Esther in a way that brings her listeners along to understand the significance of Esther’s story in the broader canon. She describes how Mordechai’s challenge to Esther that she is in her position “for such a time as this,” causes Esther to come into her own, fulfilling who God had created her to be. Dr. Jobes demon...
Mar 22, 2024•45 min•Ep. 124
Dr. Ciampa explores the complexity of Bible translation, through his experiences both as a translator and professor of Bible translation, working beside translation teams worldwide. He considers both challenges and opportunities facing translation teams given the limited resources of translators in the majority world in contrast to the wealth of the minority world and its capacity, therefore, to influence translation teams worldwide as they depend on translations produced by the majority world a...
Mar 08, 2024•40 min•Ep. 123
Listeners are in for a treat as veteran host, Dr. Angela is interviewed by new co-host, Rev. Liz Testa. As Liz got to know Angela and listened to past episodes, she realized the wealth of insight sitting behind the mic that people needed to hear about. You don’t want to miss hearing Angela share how she got involved with CBE (hint, it connects with her doctoral work), what led to the creation of this podcast, and highlights of her most intriguing learnings from her guests along the way. Most imp...
Feb 23, 2024•42 min•Ep. 122
Host Dr. Mimi Haddad continues her conversation with Dr. Diphus Chemorion, a member of CBE’s Bible translation Old Testament team. Dr. Chemorion states that the goal of CBE’s Gender Accurate Bible translation (GAB) is accuracy related to the dignity and agency of women and men. The team has worked to elevate what has been downplayed through a clear process of deliberation, reading of needed source material, and prayer. When the team disagrees, even in heated conversations, they agree to and prac...
Feb 09, 2024•43 min•Ep. 121
Pastor Scott Sinner might have “stumbled onto” the idea of mixed-gender ministry partnership, but now he and his colleagues at Green Valley Community Church in Placerville, California, operate out of a place of deep conviction. In this episode, Pastor Sinner and Pastor Bekah Townsend tell Layla and Rob how they live out shared leadership with an emphasis on a clear vision, a foundation of trust, and a commitment to engage one another with vulnerability and grace. Come learn from Scott and Bekah ...
Jan 26, 2024•33 min•Ep. 120
Host Dr. Mimi Haddad meets with Dr. Diphus Chemorion, a member of CBE’s Bible translation Old Testament team. Dr. Diphus Chemorion clearly and methodically describes the process of Bible translation primarily as communication versus theological exposition. The task of translation teams is to aim at biblical clarity in addressing their specific and intended audience. Bible readers can learn more about the translation priorities of each translation team by carefully reading and attending to the pr...
Jan 12, 2024•42 min•Ep. 119
In this episode, hosts Mimi and Kim discuss CBE’s partnership with Rev. Herbert Mazonde as he works to restore the church to the heart of God with women and men working in partnership and mutuality. The team experienced some technical issues throughout the episode with Rev. Herbert’s audio, but even through the barriers of technology and distance, Rev. Herbert shows just how powerfully God is moving through CBE’s partners in Africa to make a significant impact for women and men, especially regar...
Dec 30, 2023•38 min•Ep. 118
Building on part one, Dr. Boaz Johnson considers how women throughout the Old Testament are characterized by strength (Chayil in Hebrew). Part of women’s strength is the result of much suffering, like Job’s wife who becomes the mother of seven boys and three girls. The girls are named but not the boys. Consider the Song of Songs, the Shulamite woman was also a shepherdess who experienced much pain but also and exhibited even more strength. Consider Ruth who is considered a Proverbs 31 woman. She...
Dec 01, 2023•22 min•Ep. 117
In this episode, Mimi and Kim discuss CBE’s partnership with SheLearns in Uganda, East Africa, with the founder and director, Fred Sebaggala. Fred discusses the practical hardships and discrimination that women and girls face in Uganda and how the biblical message from Genesis through Galatians provides girls with the self-esteem to dream and pursue their goals. Guest Bio: Fred Sebaggala is the founder and director of SheLearns, an organization designed to empower the girls. Observing his own mo...
Nov 17, 2023•34 min•Ep. 116
Dr. Boaz Johnson explores women Bible translators such as Pandita Ramabai (1858-1922) who, as a child, memorized thousands of Sanskrit texts. After coming to faith as a Christian, Pandita mastered the ancient languages and produced a Bible in Marathi—a very popular dialect in India. The work was completed on her compound called Mukti—meaning salvation. In all of history, there was never a translation of Scripture like Pandita’s that was entirely the work of women: from translation to printing, b...
Nov 03, 2023•32 min•Ep. 115
In this episode, Layla and Rob sit down with InterVarsity colleagues Brooke Pland and Maddie Cummings to get a sense of Gen. Z’s perspective on women and men partnering together in ministry. These two women offer prophetic words to the church about representation, getting rid of gender-based leadership roles, and the importance of using the right job titles. If you have Gen. Z Christians in your life or faith community, this episode is a must-listen! Bios Maddie Cummings loves Jesus and joyfully...
Oct 27, 2023•34 min•Ep. 114
Show Notes Did you know that CBE reviews books before recommending them in the CBE bookstore? Did you know CBE has created its own books and resources that are available? In this final episode with hosts Blake and Erin, CBE’s manager of learning resources and international projects comes on the podcast to tell you about her favorite books and what to be on the lookout for that will be new to the bookstore. While Erin and Blake take their final bow, we want listeners to know that the podcast and ...
Oct 13, 2023•31 min•Ep. 113
Referring to the Genesis passages from Part 1, Havilah addresses the challenges of using all masculine for God, noting it’s impact on women and girls by assessing Genesis 2:18 : “The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” Woman is too often described as “man’s helper or assistant.” But a more faithful treatment of the text would be woman as man’s “perfect comrade.” Even more important, we tend to focus on God’s maleness, versus God as a mo...
Oct 08, 2023•28 min•Ep. 112
Rev. Angela Ravin-Anderson welcomes new co-host, Rev. Liz Testa, and together they reflect on intersectionality and why it’s an important aspect of what shapes them as women, believers, and leaders. Angela and Liz reflect on their faith journeys and some of the narratives within their home or early development that shaped them, as well as how they have experienced being at the intersection of race, gender, and religion and navigated through the challenges and opportunities. Their lively conversa...
Sep 29, 2023•39 min•Ep. 111
Show Notes Are women saved through childbearing? Blake and Erin tackle one of the stickiest passages concerning women in the New Testament with scholar, Sandra Glahn. In her forthcoming book: Nobody’s Mother, Glahn tackles this passage from 1 Timothy and the context that informs it. You can find the book in CBE’s Bookstore. Bio Sandra L. Glahn (PhD, University of Texas at Dallas) has authored or edited more than twenty books, including Vindicating the Vixens, Earl Grey with Ephesians, Sanctified...
Sep 22, 2023•31 min•Ep. 110
In part one of “Translating the Old Testament with Dr. Havilah Dharamraj,” Havilah discusses not only her work leading CBE’s Old Testament translation team, but also their methodology, priorities, and examples of both. Significant examples cited include: Psalm 68:11, “The Lord announces the word, and the women who proclaim it are a mighty throng.” Havilah and the team propose a far more faithful translation in English as: “The Lord speaks good news, and a great multitude of women broadcast it.” ...
Sep 01, 2023•29 min•Ep. 109
In this episode Mimi and Kim interview Stephanie Midthun of Courage Worldwide about their healing homes for girls rescued out of Sex Trafficking, both in the USA and in Tanzania. She discusses the root causes that make girls vulnerable to sex trafficking, as well as the healing girls experience that break the cycle of exploitation, causing a transformative ripple effect in the larger community. Trigger Warning: This episode contains details of trauma, sexual assault, rape, and abuse. Listener di...
Aug 25, 2023•52 min•Ep. 108
What does it mean to belong? How do we dismantle toxic systems and create equity in our missional spaces? Hosts Blake and Erin talk with Eeva Simard and Beth Birmingham about their practical book on organizational leadership and gender equality: Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive. Be sure to pick up your copy at the CBE bookstore and visit The Christian Alliance for Inclusive Development to follow their work. Guest Bios: Beth Birmingham is a prof...
Aug 11, 2023•35 min•Ep. 107
Dr. Philip B. Payne is a key member of CBE’s Bible Translation Team. He was active and instrumental from the very start! During episodes one and two, Mimi and Phil explore the important translation decisions of the New Testament team on difficult texts such as 1 Timothy 2:11–15, 3:1–12; Ephesians 5:21–33; 1 Corinthians 11:2–16; 1 Peter 2:18, and more! Phil brings in conversations from the first century and explains some of the complexities to the whole translation process as it impacts the lives...
Aug 04, 2023•26 min•Ep. 106
Wendy Wilson, mission advisor for the Development of Women for Missio Nexus, is convinced that women and men are designed for full and equal partnership in ministry, and it shows! In this episode, Wendy challenges the church to awaken to that vision, and she provides one way to get there: safe, experiential spaces to talk about the theology and practice of mixed-gender ministry partnership. Listen and be inspired—as Wendy notes, change is happening! Guest Bio: Having served in various capacities...
Jul 28, 2023•33 min•Ep. 105
What are the messages the church sends to girls and women about modesty, sex, emotions, and self, producing as they grow up? Blake and Erin talk with Sheila Gregoire about her book: She Deserves Better: Raising Girls to Resist Toxic Teachings on Sex, Self, And Speaking Up. This discussion unpacks the damage being done and how we combat it to raise women and girls and our churches to love Jesus without the toxic culture that is breaking them down. Bio Sheila Wray Gregoire is the face behind BareM...
Jul 15, 2023•26 min•Ep. 104
