I mean, if you've seen Maleficent you've seen a loom
That's a spinning wheel.
That's, that's pretty much.
No,
that's what they're doing. They're making threads.
No a spinning know that they're weaving. They're not They're,
they're fucking- they were making threads.
No that a spinning wheel and a loom are two different thread, they're putting it on the loom, and then they're then they're cutting it when they're done. Fuck you
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welcome all mortals, monsters and myth-lovers alike. Poseidon where we explore ancient myths and a modern requirements Percy Jackson and the Olympians. This is Chapter online from the Hunters of Artemis Darien Smartt. Joining hailing from Cabin Seven DJ.
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Today we are talking about the fates. But first, I I found and sorry, listeners, you won't be able to see it. Instagram for you. I was cleaning my whole bedroom all my dresser drawers. And I found these.
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And they're not just like random stickers. They are blood of Olympus.
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So today we are talking about the fates because those mythological thing Percy sees proper Aside from his teacher, sisters later, we're going to do them all three at once. fates sock of an indeterminable size
sock of whether it's a big foot or Godzilla,
whether it's big foot or Godzilla.
They're just big ass socks.
So DJ, what do you know about the fates from Greek
I know very little of honestly, for the longest time I there were three of them. So I thought they represented past I was not right on
I also thought that until I researched today,
I found out that they're actually one of them spins the fate on their loom. Another person measures it and then the like, okay, that makes sense. I also found out that they're in
I did know that actually,
I found that out today. I've that's super fucking weird. But with Gods.
I mean, Hercules has been in the Avengers. So comic which we are actually going to talk about the fate of the arrow different ways we've retold stories about the fates, because most interesting. Yeah. So yeah, Davis, you're absolutely right. I also thought present and future, which I suppose in a way they kind of it. I think the past present and future often comes from modern
Oh, yeah, for sure. I believe that.
But yeah, Davis, you nailed it on the head. The goddesses and they each have a name, which I didn't know. were fates or the
I figure. They had a name. And I think was like the Moira
Moira right. Yeah, I thought that's just what they
Yeah, that's fair. I guess it's understand.
But no, we have Klotho. The spinner who, as Davis said, of life on the loom, because she's the one that actually going to play out. Then there was Atropos, the inflexible who the thread as death. So she's the one that's like, and you're
Or it could be Eisah.
Well, mythology by Edith Hamilton, which is the book that onto the ancient myths of the fates says that it's Atropos so Hamilton.
I was on Wikipedia.
We're gonna listen to Ms. Hamilton. They are the fates. three goddesses who control the generally acknowledged to be the most powerful because not even against the will of the fates. When they say this will happen to prevent it is just playing into how things will eventually decreed.
The fates are just they vibe with people's lives.
Yeah. And so I suppose whether or not what their to interpretation, depending on who's telling the story. And weaving out fates for somebody is good or bad. I imagine some very secure, their destiny is played out, they can do their of what ever happens was truly meant to be. Whereas other I control my destiny. I control my life. Like there's no divine philosophy. That's
I got a fun mix of the both.
Yeah,
it's like some things are planned out. But what happens in
Interesting. Yeah, I personally don't really believe destiny, perhaps I think what we define is like, Oh, this is really honestly just feels like the product of our own actions. love of your life, did you work to become the kind of person want to meet?
I mean, yeah,
if you get that job, well, did you work hard to through those obstacles? That's not to say that like, Oh, if bad you didn't work hard enough. Like sometimes things are
Sometimes things just fucking stuck
Yeah, sometimes we're in corrupt systems that aren't everybody. It's a thing. But the fates, their backstory, I was was reading about the fates backstory, because there were Greek mythology alone, and two were recorded by the same guy. there's my whole my whole thesis for the podcast, which is, hey, stories in a different way, it's okay. Because guess what? Even
it wasn't like Homer.
It was Hesiod actually.
Okay. I think Homer has got his own story about them.
Yeah. So Hesiod was a gentleman who actually kind of all of the Greek myths in his Theogony. Initially, when the And like all these other goddesses, who are kind of described as being Daughters of Nix, but later on Hesiod like seasons will change, kind of those things. That's super cosmology, the fates mother isPersephone. So even the Greeks in mythology by Edith Hamilton, there are a couple highlight
found super cool. In these early myths, the fates don't usually Daughters of Zeus and the Titan thymus, which is really They're not running around, like Zeus. They're not fucking They're just kind of, we said, and now we're gonna step out, really liked one of them was when the fates appeared to daughters have Nix, they're really associated with death and tell her that her son's life was attached to a piece of wood, and
wood burns up. So specifically what the fate said was "to you, gift to live until this wood turns to ash." and so Althea fireplace is like, okay, he's good, but later, like or kills but will specifically with death, and when they become throws the wood back in the fire and he dies. The Greeks were
Greek
Greek
Hey!
Hey! it's, it's the ancient Greeks
tragedy for all!
You're going to tragedy and you got a tragedy and you Hercules you get seven. Speaking of Hercules, he also has a story Titaness, they are sisters to peace, and the seasons. involved in this particular story. It's really mostly about
yeah,
Apollo's what are
Can we talking about the Disney movie which he's fucking fates.
Yeah we will talk about the Disney movie. Davis you're
I figured we would being that's like the biggest piece of now.
Super. Yeah. For Apollo Specifically, when Apollo was live on earth as a human. He served in the House of Admetus heard that the fates had decided, well, Admetus was gonna Oh, my bro. Potentially my lover like Apollo did what he wanted. telling the story. I think Apollo is pretty cool.
Apollo's a chad.
The fates are about to cut Admetus' life. He convinced his place. And so Admetus who I decided sucks, just thought what around trying to find volunteers and like Uh oh, my dad will Oh my fuck because he's old and he loves me. And his dad was like, No I fear death. I love you, but I'm not gonna willingly just yeah, and he lets her! My life is over. And so eventually Eclectus. Admetus's So she dies and he lives but you know, he feels really, really just a grand funeral to make up
for it. Okay, so here's what show up right on the day of her funeral doesn't know what's your him he doesn't want to bring the mood down. But when Hercules my brother's house and I'm drinking but he just buried his fight death and get her back. And so keep does
oh my gosh,
Maye he goes to the underworld to get her, maybe he Like who knows?
Maybe he like catches THanatos while like, just kind with her. It's like hold on.
Yeah, yeah, probably that even and so he brings honestly I feel like this could be viewed as like oh Hercules this wasn't the one they said was supposed to die. So really? plan.
The Fates like Yeah, we had a couple of knots and like inner quite read it ourselves because we nodded it a little too much
marrying this asshole husband who would let her die in those nights like fuck you so the Flates there the Sisters of the flates. That's dumb I'm cutting it.
Flan's pretty good.
So the fates were strongly tied to death, because they one of them would cut the the threat of life and disappeared. There's a lot of the fates coming up when death Jackson book, Grover is specifically freaked out because they sewed this giant sock like whatever this they had woven the super concerning to them as much as the Ending. I think it's also were not weaving or looming anything. They were, they were
thing. As I understand it. That's just an interesting easier to carrying rounded needles than it was to like lug assume it's big.
I just likeit just like constantly like lugging it in front of Camp half blood go and just like saying,
Hey, how's God just doing
the whole fucking red thing? And then like, just staring at a points and measure
the power move just to remind the campers to stay in
Points A fucking Clarice.
Yeah, I don't really know what a loom looks like, in I do have like an animal crossing, though. And it's little outdoor outdoor steam bath. So the fates in modern death. Specifically, if someone cheats death, all the fates are probably going to show up and be like, What the fuck?
Yeah, it's not.
Yeah, two specific examples are Sabrina, the saves her friend from falling down an open elevator shaft.
How was that cheating? No,
exactly. I always thought that, like one of the Oh, she was supposed to die. What the hell? And I'm like, her
it's not like they died. And she revived. Yeah,
it seemed like maybe they wrote the episode. And brought her back to life. And they're like, that's too dark.
Or what? Are you kidding? That makes way more sense.
Yeah, the way they play in supernatural makes the most supernatural the episode begins and you have just humans going we don't know what or who she is. She like freezes time and have a horrible accident and they'll just die. And so this happening. And they're like What the fuck is going on? You find place in an alternate timeline in which one of the angels it is convoluted and cumbersome.
Supernatural. Hey,
listen to 15 seasons anyway. So when the angels went Titanic from sinking? Yeah, that's creating hundreds and guess souls or energy I don't remember it's been a long time But so this this is one of the fates who was going around being aren't supposed to exist. They're supposed to have died. that made a lot of sense to me if we're going to use the fates
Yeah, going back in time to literally changing things. For from falling off a cliff.
Yeah, because with this Sabrina one, if you want her to her death to be by her friend who was a witch who could part of your plan. She has a near death experience.
Yeah.
DJ, as you already mentioned, for a lot of people, anybody who casually has seen anything Greek mythology, Hercules. The fates are very, very anchored.
Or if you're just into Disney,
which, yeah, because
that's just a classic Disney movie.
It's the first one that Johnny our brother saw in
Nice first one that I saw was monsters inc.
Oh, yeah. We saw that instead of Harry Potter for saw Harry Potter opening weekend. It was great. My first theaters was Hunchback of Notre Dame. I still have like a baby and that the swooping camera and the bells ringing like just that So but in Hercules The fates are kind of mashed together with the fates don't share one eyeball they're not jumping around like to a completely different set of like three three sets Yeah, it they shared one eye and also one tooth
one tooth which was
yeah,
don't understand the tooth and get the I think don't
It's the gray sisters show up in see if monsters don't
They do. Yeah, like at the start because like we need to yesterday, and so then they order a taxi of the gray like 900 miles an hour.
We'll talk all about the gray sisters, when we get to set of episodes, and we'll figure out what's with the eye They as in the fates kind of get blended with different triple media. In another Disney film The Black Cauldron, they are the these three witches who are able to like kind of tell the future The Black Cauldron. It was part of the chronicles of Prydain. do appear in that book. And they are described as kind of these crones in the day and beautiful
women's at night. They also kind identities all willy nilly are like you're who I'm that one you Ordu I'll be Orwin and that kind of thing. Yeah, but they as weaving. And towards the end of the series. They give the tapestry of his life. Which is
Yeah, which is pretty cool. And stated that the characters were inspired by the Moray, the fates Scandinavian folklore, who were also basically kind of their Morrigan of Irish mythology, another set of like, triple where the fates are mashed up or in I'm very excited to talk Sandman comics by Neil Gaiman. Oh, very near each one. I
don't know because I just haven't read
them no and they are a lots like, oh, goodness me. The and so the the fates appear, they are depicted with a loom.
witches in Macbeth. But when Morpheus or dream the to find out where his items of power or his his sigils of power for like, almost 100 years, and they tell him but this is the the fates being blended with another set of three figures as they're often called, they're also called the kindly ones, and story specifically, they were very, very fury when they go to dreaming at the end of the series.
Oh
Oh it's a lot. The Sandman is a lot. It's great. hope Netflix does not fuck it up. During their adaptation.
I remember you telling me that they're making that
that Netflix is? Yeah, it was. It was also announced recording that Netflix is also going to do a Kane chronicle
Oh yeah I saw that. You sent that one to me too. That's
yeah. So we've got hopefully Percy Jackson on Netflix. I have a lot of confidence in the Percy Jackson like Rick Riordan has a lot of creative control
that when they're doing a series for both for the Kane, which is going to be
Wait, yeah, I didn't I didn't catch them. But I do have at this moment after their debacle with avatar, where they have white people in here. What do we do? It's like, no,
no, this is an Asian stores.
Yeah, it's from various Asian cultures like what the
yeah, that was
so anyway, so maybe they'll maybe they'll do Sadie a lot of faith. But I love love some Egyptian lore. I think last mythology was measure Moors. Egyptian was so good. I Egyptian Greek lore was my first love. That was a lie. It was remember
Greek was my first but I think like I've settled on Norse
sick. They're sick. And maybe one day
was so fucking cool.
Maybe one day we will talk about about Norse lore.
I mean, if we continue this podcast, we'll eventually get to
Hey, and then I'll have to change up the intro. I don't this. That's the future Darien is problem. DJ you already doing research on different modern versions of modern arrow verse was honestly the most interesting take,
which is what I mean like the reverse is pretty cool. I stopped around season three because I'm just like, whatever then I just I just haven't bothered to go back to it. And I to fucking follow three or four different series.
Yeah, it's a lot
like that. Like I love it when series interact with each with each other in such a way to where I have to watch the other this series. I hate that. I don't like that.
I will hand it to the arrow verse they did manage to feels like to try to follow comic books in TV form so good. you know how the fates are used in the arrowverse? Tell me about
I was like a little bit but it was the clotho, the one who out and says well, people shouldn't their fate shouldn't the loom and spreads it across the multiverse. And then I guess like happens, a lot of Earth's decided to come together and something. I don't know. It didn't
crisis of infinite earths
Yeah. It didn't quite explain what happened. There's came together to Earth prime and like, does that mean they know, the United Nations like
what's going on very comic booky? It's very, like
And then like, well, clotho, I guess it's now Charles.
Charlie
got Charlie got stripped of all her their power. Is it a
Yes.
Okay, it got shipped with all her power. The other two are entrepreneur from hell. Find the loon pieces so that they can get
Yeah,
they're probably continued after that. But then I'm like, I
Yeah, you were researching right? 10 minutes But yeah, that's about as much I did not also have not watched the very first episode of Arrow liked it a whole lot. Did not like cable at the time, did not want to pay for Hulu, have not that's really cool. Because I think, honestly, I feel like interesting way to use the fates. Because as we were or not you think having goddesses or the divine or any your life, and your destiny as good or bad is highly up to you personal beliefs.
So having one of the faiths decide, no, this is bad, they humans or everybody should make their own choices. And the other chaos, and that it goes against the natural order things need to It sounds like a very, very cool way to do it. I get nervous say whether that was storytelling. But hey, if any of episodes, I think specifically these were DCS legends of were really playing this big
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Yeah.
One more modern interpretation or modern I touch on where the fates appear is the musical Hades town, which
that sounds fun
Yeah, it's so cool. Davis have you
sounds like have you heard about I've never even fucking sounds sick. Oh,
I'm so glad I get to tell you about it. Okay, so I've and I always thought that the name was just a reference to that this show was just about whatever eventually I did find musical retelling of the story of Orpheus and Eurydice.
Oh, that's sick.
Yeah. And so you've got obviously I didn't I don't want I want us to go see it. Eventually when pandemic is over because it sounds incredible. It's it's beautiful. The because ancient Greece. It's kind of set in this very, like,
I'm looking at pictures. Yeah, yeah, it's
kind of looks kind of great. Depression. Me. The songs inspired.
So what's the 30s?
yeah, it's very 30s the underworld and like, Hades isn't underworld it's like a city where people go but once you go you can never leave so that's what happens to Eurydice things ultimately decides I'm just going to, I gotta go I gotta things just to be better here. I'm gonna go and Orpheus tries ultimately Yeah, it's Orpheus interesting that that story can that's that story. In particular, if you're going to reason to bring the fates in as the fates because that
I feel like retelling stories could be a lot of fun. the fates weren't originally there, you just bring them in trying to change their fate because this is a retelling of original story ended this way. So it's got to end this way.
Yeah, actually. So Lindsay Ellis, fabulous Titanic. She talks about Hades town and specifically what makes comparing that to that date, the Titanic is that you know how Orpheus is going to fail to save Eurydice at the last moment, you hit that iceberg and sink but even knowing how it ends
getting there
getting there, like can because you're getting there and this characters the story in the music and Hades town and the the know how it's going to end and just that this part of you like this time, maybe this time the Titanic doesn't hit the iceberg? look back. But no, it will in the same way every every time think having the fates be there for Hades town is such a smart the Muses right singing and stuff like we saw on Hercules. who are actually in the underworld, I believe. Yeah,
tears. So they could have been there. But no, it's the fates, I think in storytelling, I believe this is what makes the they're for. talking about because yeah, having them show up and Witch is funny. And having them battle each other out over is really cool. But talking about the inevitability of it or destiny, there are some things in life when you look no way I can change it now. And when you think about those hope that like, but maybe it'll be different this time. And it happened.
That's fate.
That's fate, that's permanence. And once it's over, way we're living life is that every moment is gone. And what change. So all we can do is look ahead and try to figure out how not curse the fates? But smile at what happened to me? If
Yeah,
that was a weird kind of tangent down and specifically I the the actresses who played the fates actually decided which of to be. And so they really match it to their singing style. What actresses are Jewel Blackman, Yvette Gonzales Nacer, and K gorgeous singers and they're
amazing performers. And so one this article from Long Island weekly from last November, discuss these actresses discuss, like the role and their approach really liked is that the way Gonzalez-Nacer describes it, she sometimes take on the role of the wind and push people one way figuratively, so they can fulfill their predetermined can really see in the song when the chips are down, the fates
to make her make a decision. And that song can come off as very where they're trying to force her to do something or like goad one of the other actress Trinidad describes it as one of about while we were learning this number, this number down, was that we shouldn't be seeing her As our victim, we are nudging just cheering her to continue to make the decision make. I think that's a really cool way. Yeah, having the fates be?
Yes.
But yeah, one day DJ, we will go see Hades town. Um, so I certainly probably do it a bonus episode one of our what I'm Episode. Thank you. I was very proud of it. Yeah, those are the there's obviously so many, many more, the fates are so powerful
Fates have been around for hundreds of years/
Yeah, been around for, yeah, 1000 centuries. And also had their own kinds of interpretations of the fates. using the Greek fates you might be using, say in the comic book have a bunch of interpretations of these godly characters. The from Scandinavia, and so that's really cool, but we'll put a pin Wicked and Divine I'm sure in the future,
eventually.
DJ have these stories or maybe other ones, you know, that any favorite modern interpretations of the fates?
Honestly, I think it's just Hercules because that one's the
really
just nostalgic. I mean, yeah, I don't I don't know like the fates all too often and media but maybe that's just what I'm not looking. And so it's Hercules is like, Haha, the they're always there's just a good time.
Yeah
watch them fucking bicker and banter. Like, I know that. call it?
The Gray sisters?
The Gray sisters. Oh, that was mostly the gray sisters playing off of. But it was still fun.
Yeah, it is really fun. So what do you think the fates were going to do a modern telling? Let's make our own to be creating the fate and destiny on something looms. And prevalent now. And honestly, in a lot of retellings, you don't Percy Jackson, as we said, their knitting. So how do you think
on a typewriter? Just writing the guy's life. And when the second things they've done, they just grab it handed to the period.
I actually, I was kind of like really typewriter visual of like do-do-do and someone just rips and hands and
Yeah?
Okay, well now I'm kind of embarrassed to share mine.
It's like, yeah, I want it to be modern. I was thinking, I writing kind of style. But I'm like, What are they gonna do?
It's a great way to collaborate.
Like, well, like yeah, they're modern but maybe they've here's the fucking type right?
So mine was and again I'm embarrassed but I'm gonna shared yours was well what if they're creating an Instagram
For like everyone they're going so here's
it's like, someone's like, here are the photos that here are the keywords that it's going and going and
The last picture is their gravestone?
Yeah! I really like your your interpretation of like it oh, yeah, they're It's modern, but they're still talking their lore Olympus to me when we smash cut and actually see the face
yes VHS and that's great. I think that's a lot of fun. And someone fucking ripping it out like this is pretty dies.
That's very good. well, I think fates on a typewriter is is a great idea definitely do get the vibe of I'm controlling destiny of these or will you know pain it's
just like imagine somebody like running down the hall and misinterpretation of fates like and you just hear a typewriter like, like Achilles chasing them, you know? Like, they get rip? And then you hear a fucking like, right? Is the stab you
I wasn't even thinking about the sound aesthetic of All right. Well, we'll we'll work on getting that that short that'll be our 1000 mission goal Davis movie
like and then it like once that dot hits, like just like printer press and the guy's like, here's my story.
That's very good. Okay, okay, hold on. So is the person
probably. I'm gonna call it like, let's be really quill or
pen fountain pen. fountain pens probably good. Do so there's
like a just a tiny dribble of being and it's just like when Like a little extra, because like, let's be really, they're
I liked that typewriters do in fact have periods on them. quill because it wouldn't look like the rest of the
periods. But it's got like, like a little dribble. Yeah,
because the the period made by a quill or fountain pen than the period made by the typewriter and the end of your than the end of any other sentence or chapter. That's very get any better than that. DJ. The Fates. The fate you have any before? Before we say goodbye to our wonderful listeners?
I don't.
Okay, well, the fates have decreed that this is the
Clearly,
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