A group of high school student High school students.
Elizabeth and high school students started a project to research a string of unsolved murders. Their research led to the identification of the killer.
Investigators now have an answer to a thirty four year old question.
Once you start getting a few tips, or a few leads or few identifications, then the cold case isn't so cold any normal. There's a pretty good chance he's still alive. Everything that the students predicted through their profile turned out to be accurate.
Redhead killer profile mal Caucasian, five nine, six hundred and seventy pounds, unstable home, absent father, and a domineering mother, right handed IQ above one hundred most likely heterosexual.
There is no profile of this killer except for the ones the students created.
Just because some of these women no longer have people to speak for them, it does not mean that they deserve to not be so anymore. What if this guy's still alive, like what it becomes after us?
I consider it's gonna kill me, he said, Yeah.
This is Murder one oh one, Season one, episode eight, A New Plan. I'm Jeff Shane, a television and podcast producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie Leidecker, Courtney Armstrong, and Andrew Arnolt. We're picking up where we left off as mister Campbell connected with the Bible Belt Strangler's only known surviving victim.
I was a little surprised that he had made bail. Did did they call you and let you know that he had made bail? Oh?
Yeah, I was going to the Bahamas. I was on my way and Larry Johnson said, no, don't leave the time three because I can't take care of you or I can't you know, because I said, don't kill me, I have to leave. I mean, I guess he's only out for like a day, but yeah, I just I was going to leave the country.
Yeah, I'll have to look at the timeline that I've been trying to make, but I think he was out for a few weeks, and of course he got arrested for stealing a vehicle. But like, what went through your mind? I mean, whenever you heard did they call you on the phone they told you? What went through your mind? What were you thinking when they said that?
Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah they told me. Oh, I like to had a heart attack. I just knew that he was going to come and kill me. I mean I was the only thing keeping him from freedom. I mean I thought, in fact, I thought the brother would kill me because I just, you know, I didn't know that whether he was in on it or not. I got a gun the first time I life. I kept it on my coffee table.
So did you end up going to the Bahamas or did you stay?
No?
I didn't leave because Larry said that, you know, he could protect me as I'm here, but not if I'd run off the Bahamas or something.
No.
I just wanted to get away when when Jerry down got bond, I wanted to go to another country because I was scared. No, I just I don't even I might. I don't even know if I said Bahamas, I can't remember, but that was I just I wanted to leave the country because I was terrified that he's gonna kill me.
Yeah, and I'm curious what other I mean, did you do anything else differently because you were scared? Did you besides by the gun? Did it change the way you behaved or where you win or anything like that.
Yeah. I couldn't breathe hardly. I had That's why I handed up with the psychiatrist because I was having tremble breathing. I mean all the time, and I still I still have treble breathing. If I'm thinking about my breathing. I can't stand anything near my neck. A teacher has to be round, not like v neck or I mean, it has to be It can't be like a regular T shirt like a man wears where the tup teacher's neck
because I can't wear it. I can't. I can't stand anybody to touch me like people like to have a massage. I can't stand it.
Yeah, yeah, Well what was it like testifying in court? I guess you were in front of him? And how did how? What was that like?
It was?
I was absolutely terrified. I've never been in anything like that before. I was when I was young. I was married and divorced in the same year, and we walked in. I walked in by myself a named some sort of judge's little room thing with my attorney inside of piecepaper, and that was as closet as I've ever come to a courtroom. So I've never ever been in trouble or
been in a court, you know, anything like that. So the whole thing was scary, and I had trouble talking because I couldn't get my voice above a whisper, they kept And yeah, when when I saw him for the first time after three years, whatever it was, I mean I was having trouble breathing, not not like I'm going to die and wasn't turned blue, but like I couldn't get a breath. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was. I didn't think i'd make it through. I thought, there's just no way that I can do this.
What do you think allowed you to make it through?
Knowing that he was going to kill other women If I didn't, there was no doubt in my mind that women who knows how many would have died. And all those pictures of all those women that looked like me were all dead women. Of course, I mean they didn't show any pictures of dead women. They chose some of them. I've been I don't know. There hundreds is not thousands of pictures on that table and just spread around everywhere. And I guess where they'd shared it with each other
or something before I got there, I don't know. But all I kept thinking was I have to do this if it kills me, because if not other women were going to die.
Did you ever have to look at him in court or anything or.
Oh, yeah, he was there the whole time, and he stared at me. When I first took the stand the first time. I guess I was across from him. The other guy, yes, his attorney or the said do you see him in his court room or whatever like this? And I said yes. He said, well, looked like when when you saw him last. I said, well, something's different. I said, I don't know. He's like shaved his beard
or mustache or something, and whatever it was. I was right, I guess because when I was done, my attorney suggest that's exactly the right. Whatever, I don't I'm not. I don't remember what it was. He had a mustache, had a beard, and none just had a beard. I don't know, but I.
Was going to ask you, how did you find out that he had been tied to Tina Farmer's murder. Did somebody call you and tell you that?
Yeah, the that TBI guy called me was still alive and he's in GOMP for two years, so it had it had been I don't know when it was, sometimes last twenty years, in the past two years. I'm real bad of time too.
I think they identified her in twenty eighteen, but he might have known before then.
I don't know that would have been exactly that would have been the right time when they and also told me that there was a lot of stuff in the papers and on TV. And I needed to prepare myself because for the first twenty years or so, you know, anybody that I saw or what by you know, telling me. But then I dated this guy and I'm just crazy about him. And then I thought, Okay, if I'm gonna start dating, I gotta be completely honest. And I said, this is what used doing. This will happen from that
day forward. He treated me like a whoor just the whole, the whole. Everything changed. So that's when I thought, well, you know what, I'm gonna quit telling people. I'm gonna lie. There's no you know when I'm ascot. It's been years since I've been on a date, many years. So after we'd started, Joself now I'm not a virgin, you know, I've got children, I've got you know, and I said, I've done some things, awful thing, you know, he he and he just said more than what he said, I
don't need to know about your past. And so I never told you any of it and like that, and I moved here. So it's not like I wasn't around people that were to come up and call me Tasha or you know that. I don't think he put even put together if he saw a newspaper clipping that said lady.
So anyway we're talking about, Uh, they called you and let you know when Tina Farmer, you know, had been tied to Terry John's what what did you think or what was the feeling you had when you when you found that out.
Well, there was no doubt in my mind that he was a serial killer. I mean, no matter what the judge said to have been not looked into anything else whatever. I know he killed women before. He wasn't gonna stop, he said. But when what it called me to tell me was that that they had DNA positive proof now because they didn't have that with me, and it was almost like he said, she said, except they found them
in my car. They found the blood on the cold you know, there's others, you know, but he tried that his tiny tried to blame it on uh, you know, some other man or something. I don't know, but there was a huge relief to know that there was positive proof out there because I think the wife always thought I was lying and I always worried about her. I know they got divorced when after he went to prison, and she was about the same height to me and
had fluffy hair and way and looked like twins. But there were some similarities.
You know. They actually showed her the pictures. I can't remember if you were one of them, but I know Tina Farmer was one of them, and his ex wife Life actually said she looked just like me when I was young.
Yeah, I saw a picture of ken of Farmer and I said, oh my god, brother, they get a picture of me, and then while I look at it, they realized it's not me.
But yeah, so she felt that she felt there was some similarities to And the interesting part was they his wife, his ex wife Phyllis, and him were actually half brothers and sisters.
Oh my gosh, let's st up here for a break. We'll be back in a moment.
Murder one on one.
And they had had a very of course you probably understand this many times, people who are violent and such have had really rough lives. It was a really rough home and some different things. But they didn't know they were related. They lived down the road from each other, so her mom was married to his real dad.
So they were from where.
Okay, So it's really crazy because they moved everywhere, but they were living in Illinois at the time. And so he joined the Marines and he went awall and he was hiding out at his house and just down the street, you know, was this girl. And so they saw each other, and you know, they got involved. But they didn't even know that there. You know, that her she didn't know that her mom used to be married to his dad.
It's one of those things where it seemed like there was like some infidelity, but both husband and wife were a part of that, and they didn't like it was an open secret. People knew it. They knew it, they didn't. And so when they got divorced, I guess they just were like they still stayed friendly, you know, and it wasn't weird. I don't know, but that's the kind of the way she made it seem.
Well, he was already in prison, wasn't when they got divorced.
Okay, So yeah, they had separated. What happened. It was really sad. They had two sons and they had.
Thought they had kids.
They did, and one had died at twenty two months old. He died in nineteen eighty three, and from what I understand, the marriage just deteriorated and they had been separated, and she had moved back to Illinois, and he was staying around Cleveland, Knoxville, and he was driving a truck. He wasn't driving a truck. It's kind of hard to really, but basically what I think is that he had been involved in criminal activity going back to fifteen years old.
He'd been a lot, very long police record, but it seemed like for about eight years, between seventy six and maybe eighty five, there was no arrest record. But his ex wife said he had been stealing some trucks, and we know that he's probably related to some murders, but for whatever reason, he wasn't arrested or anything for a
long time. But I think if you look at when most of these bodies in Tennessee started having it was around nineteen eighty four and eighty five, So I think that's when the marriage broke up and she moved back and he had no one to watch him. He didn't have a wife, he didn't have kids, and he owned his own trucking business, so there was no boss and he basically had free reign and I think for about six months, like there was a lot of murders.
Oh, I'm pretty sure it went on before that. I think a lot of the women that they show me pictures of had died before a year or two ago.
I mean, I will say that the Tracy Walker, who they just identified at the end of August, she was found very close to Tina Farmer, like maybe two miles away there in Campbell County. But they actually lived near each other in Indiana. And the interesting part is that Interstate goes between Knoxville and Rockford is where he lived, and you have to go through both of their hometowns. So they went missing like four hundred miles away, but their bodies went up very close to each other, just
thirty miles north of his house. So I feel there could be a connection, and that's one of the things we're looking at. And she died, she went missing, she kind of ran it. She had had a history of running away as a teenager, and she had ran away for the final time in nineteen seventy eight. When they found her remains, they said that she'd probably been dead
two to four years or longer. So she could have been killed as early as nineteen seventy eight, So that would give it seven years until nineteen eighty five.
Yeah, probably, I would assume if there was a split, he might have went wild. But I mean, from what I've read of that sial pillars, they may start out doing one a year and then they go do more and quicker, you know, less time between. Yeah, that's the way I've always felt, just from those words he said, is that I was not I was a prostitute, so I wasn't worthy of life, and he was doing the world of favor. You know. That's he didn't say that, but that's way he treated me. That's what outside.
Yeah, so he told you you were a nuisance. His ex wife when she was interviewed, she said that he told her many times when he was out on the road prostitutes were a nuisance. And then he told the TBI when he was interviewed that prostitutes were a nuisance. So he keeps using that same word, and you know, and so that's and so with a killer like that, they don't always kill closer and closer together. It can happen, but they don't have to. But anyway, that's something interesting
to look at. But the one thing is like, how do you feel what was the biggest change you think about yourself as a person by going through this experience?
Well, it kun my whole life around.
I mean.
I grew up in church, and I knew whatever was doing was wrong. You know, you make excuses, you need this, you need that, you know, and I knew God got my attention and he let me live for a reason. So now I think back and I think, how could I have ever done that? But you do what you got to do is it's just like being a mother, you know, or whatever you're doing. Oh, I could never do that. You can. You do whatever you have to do.
I mean, and I mean I could have gone back, and it's hard to leave all that money, you know, people tipping one hundred dollar bills and stuff. I mean, because I never had to sleep with anybody. There was no reason for me to have done that. I had made eight hundred and some of dollars that night, you know, I didn't need more. Just I was in a bad mood and just is just stupid. But I mean, yeah, my entire I tried to completely forget, like said my husband.
Reason knew I'm not that person anymore, And it wasn't that person before I started. Actually, he is the reason that I started dancing. We were in Indianapolis and he kept on because has I begged of me to get a thurn dance and he'd take me to these places and show me, you know, and then so I would widely done anything to me do. So I got really, really really drunk, but it wasn't like I was drunk, because I couldn't get drunk. I mean, I was so scared. And then I got a third danced and I didn't
do a doup for a long time. But that was how the first time I ever you know, dance. The mood was because my husband wanted me to. And so then when I was in I moved to Gatenburg to get away from him because he was he was hitting me into stuff. So even though we're divorced, I had to get away from him, and I moved to Gattenburg and there's only one hospital there and back then they didn't have like home health or anything like that. And I applied for a job and they didn't have any openings.
So I went to work because I work Castle on the Hill and they really did money, you know, a hundred times hunt dollars a day or hunt back then it's love money. And but then the season changed and there was nobody in Gallenburg, so I wasn't making any money. And then a friend of mine took me to Noxtle to apply for a job. It was din a pay for a waitress. So I got there and they said, well, you know, we we don't have a waitress position, but you can dance. And I'm like, no, no, no no,
And eventually I said. Then about a year later, I didn't I learned, Thank god, I don't keep that up. I'm sure it be dead or on drugs or who knows. I mean, it's not a make a lot of money, but it's not a pretty life. When that's why when they didn't when he went to prison for life, they didn't spend a whole bunch more money to prove that he killed other women because he's already in prison for life. And I guess it didn't know what expensive, but.
Yeah, which which okay, it protects other women from him in society from him, but it doesn't let other families have that closure, you know, of knowing exactly.
Yeah, I'm going to tell you could comments question because I know I'll think of things I wish I had said to you, because you know, things I'll think of along the way.
But I might be able to ask you about this and see if you heard this. There was the body that was found in Green County. I don't know if you remember that.
I heard about her.
Yeah, it was it was a few, like a few weeks after your incident, but she had been dead for a while.
It was way before what happened to me.
Or there was a few. There was some in like down near Knoxville and Cheatham County that had been dead for over a year. But the one girl, she had been dead for a few weeks, so he could have killed her before he was arrested. But my point is we had an investigator in Kentucky tell us that they found a business card near her body and it was from a certain t truck stop in Houston, which is where he lived. Jerry lived there part time. He had
family that lived there. His trucking company was registered in Houston as well as Cleveland, Tennessee, and Rockford, Illinois, so we know he was there. He actually said when they interviewed him to the TBI that he just got back from Houston, so we know that he had been in Houston, and we know that he just got back from Houston.
Yeah. I had always hoped that they would, but when I talked to him, they said that, you know, they couldn't afford it because well, his advices daughter in prison, her life, so there was no it would cost millions of dollars to do all this and well the DNA wasn't back like that back then. But he's always worried about his wife too. I've never spoken to her. She gave me horrible looks in the courtroom because you know, if somebody told my husband Kilton Bay, I get him
horrible looks to, you know. But I was glad that she's divorced him. But I was really really That's one thing when they told me about the DNA evidence that the first thing I thought of was, she'll know for sure. Now she'll you know, she'll know that I didn't make that up and send her husband to prison.
Through you know, I read through the letters that were given to the court from his relatives and friends, and all of them were just like, you know, he's so nice, and he was good to his kids, and he was good to his wife, and he worked hard. And but you know, that's how serial killers operate. They hide that side of them and they project this side, and it's so hard for people to believe that that's who they really were.
That's why I still wanted to look him in the eyes and say why. You know, I guess I can't understand why, because it's in his head that I guess I was a bad person and I had to die. But just it's it's I still it's like you want to ask them why. But and I was just so thankful that there was absolute, positive proof. I mean, I was positive, there was no doubt.
Mind that.
I mean, the other people, no one ever had to guess or think or in the back of her line tink maybe he was innocent, you know, maybe I shouldn't have divorce him or whatever. But I just wonder what happened to her. How there's other people that had it lot worse and have lived with women that are prostitutes and have texing from their kids, I mean for years, I mean whatever. So I mean, and they don't kill people because so I think it had to be in his makeup to be able to you.
Know, I mean, yeah, Lynd, I agree. I think I think it takes both, because, like you said, there's people that go through terrible things, but they don't go down that path. So I think there has to be something in their makeup and their brain whatever their personality, and then they experience these things and then that's a bad mix, you know, it turns into something different than what it does for other people.
Yeah, that's why I'm positive that he'd done it before too, because there's no hesitation. You know, he had everything planned out, and I think it's someone who was going to kill for the first time. They wouldn't have been It wouldn't have he wouldn't have been so easy with it, you know, or you know, they wouldn't have been. So I don't know. I can't even explain it, but I just I know he killed the other women. Of course, now there's proof that there is.
Now you were talking about his brother, Wayne, and why is it that you were afraid of Wayne? It's just because he was you his brother, or was there something you noticed.
Or the two of them were there at the club together, both them spending money, and supposedly I was going to be with Jerry Johnston and Shannon was going to be with the brother. But Shannon couldn't get off work for another hour, so we were going to go and she was going to meet us as a holiday inn. So at the time I didn't know whether it was him and they in on it together or you know, I had no idea.
Did you ever think or did he give you reason to believe that he could be violent too?
No, not really, I guess just from he he you know, he had he was missing a hand and he didn't have like a like what they have now, fancy anything or in fact, he didn't even have a claw. I don't think I kept if he did, it's just a claw, but he so, he just looked kind of menacing anyway.
Yeah, from what I read, he was pretty quiet. Is that the way you remember it?
That's what I was just there to say. He barely said anything. He was Jerry John's was definitely the the one in charge, like the big brother or the you know, the talk for the and the other guy just kind of he was nice, but he didn't he didn't say much things, okay, and I never saw him again. Once we got to the hotel, I said, he went to his room, and I went with Jerry to his room, and I never saw I never saw a brother again.
But I had that at the time. I had no idea about if they were going around the Kintry killing these women, because I knew that it was something.
It was.
It didn't just happen. He didn't kill me because he was mad at me or good for drugs or anything. He did it because I guess he hated prostitutes or you know, I didn't think you could hear the dear he was designed and all of a sudden, I'm sure you won't tell me. Yeah, at the first mean murdy set.
Let's stop here for another quick.
Break murder one on one.
Hey, this is Riley Woodson. I'm here with Marley and we are about to get ready for basketball practice today. And it's been a really busy week. I talked to mister Campbell today and he's he heard back from Typeicanoo County about our presentation and unfortunately they said that they won't be able to discuss an open case over zoom call. So, yeah, that's been pretty unfortunate.
Yeah, that sucks, but we're hoping to be able to interview de Soto County Police.
So yeah, we're hoping maybe we can hear back from them and get back to it in the new year.
I was speaking with Scott Barker. He is the FBI, a former FBI a special agent who worked as a behavioral analyst, analyst who worked with our students a few years ago to teach them how to profile and then
tell them if their profile was good. And so he's now retired and he's got a little more time on his hands, and so I was talking to him about the case, and I asked him if he'd be willing to hear from you all about the DeSoto County Jane Doe and Tracy Walker, and have you kind of share with him what you found and then compare that to kind of the I guess you'd say, like the combined victim demology profile of the other victims to see if
it really looks like they're probably linked to the same person. So he would like to do that sometime next week. Do you guys think you could be ready to present next week? Yeah, And so anything you can add in there about his m you know, how the victim was left or body was posed, or clothing or you know, how they or whatever, and then you know how they
were disposed of how far off the road. I try to put a lot of that stuff in there, but you might be able to find some like even more specific things and see what you can come up with.
All right, are there like any ways we could contact people he may have been like incarcerated with, or anyway to find that. I know, like it can be hard to Well, he.
Might be able to find some prison records. Yeah, and see who he shared a cell with. That is a possibility because I.
Think like they'd be aways who he truly was, because now he's caught. I mean, he doesn't really have this show to it on. I think it'd be interesting to see how he paid in prison.
I tell you what's really interesting is to look at the way he talked to Lynda and treated her, which we have plain information on that, see how he talked after he was arrested, and then read the letters from friends and family that they wrote at the sentencing phase. For every single one of them talked about what a good family man he was, and how good he was to his wife, and how much it hurt him when his son died, and how he works so hard to provide it for the family. But that is like how
serial killers operate, you know. Harvey Cleckley called that the mask of sanity. They know their desires and true feelings aren't normal. They know that people would be afraid of them or not like them. I wouldn't want to be their friend if they really knew how they were, So they know how to hide that in front of people,
even people closest to him. But just like Harvey Cleckley said, sometimes when you wear a mask, it gets loose and slips down on your face a little bit and other people can see like a little glimpse of what's behind it. You can see those glimpses, you know, like for example, when he told them, I'm going to kill you, and she said why, Like I haven't done anything to you, Why would you do that? And he said, because you're
a nuisance. So you know, he sees prostitutes or whatever as a nuisance and they need to be gotten rid of or there's no problem in getting rid of them, or nobody will miss them if I get rid of them.
I definitely like looking at the history with his mother as well, because that's typically where that hatred Foy stems from. Yeah, I'm curious just to see her history.
Well, there's our belt. I think that means we have to go to school and learn how to do math and science and all that kind of stuff. But so you guys know what you're working on. Yes, I will let you know on Monday the confirmed time to speak with Scott Barker, and then it's probably gonna be Thursday though, paying thirsty and you guys be ready to present to him. You excited?
Sounds good?
Interesting?
I can't wait to see what he says.
Yeah, I think, like you said, like the research one not having the research for like, the facts speak for themselves too, Like it's not even like we have to mold it or shape it into it to look a certain.
Way, Like it's just there.
Yeah, which I think it makes our jobs.
I mean, confirmation bias is a thing, right, You get into it and you kind of want it to happen, and you don't even realize that you're doing things to make it look more likely that it happened. It's always good to have somebody who's outside and undetached and hasn't spent this time on to spot those things. But also it's important for us to understand if we see those things in ourselves, let's try not to do that. Don't just find information that supports our theory, let's just travel
over all the informations. So well, guys, have a great day, you have a good Friday and good weekend, and we'll pick back up next week.
Sounds great.
Between school and basketball, Riley and Marley were incredibly busy, but they still made time to join mister Campbell before school.
I am headed home for practice right now, and it was a pretty good day. I got back my Calculus test today. I got a hundreds. I was really really happy about that because I did not say that is very well, but I was really happy with that. I went in late today because we went to the UC basketball game last night against Alcorn today. That was really fun. We really enjoyed it. We we didn't get back to late.
But while I was.
Getting ready this morning, I'm really hit me and it's been on my mind a lot lately because as women's young women in this country, and as young men, as old women, as old men, as anybody, as a person in this world, you have to be so cautious. We don't live in a time where we can leave our doors on locks anymore, and we can leave our car doors on locked. It's sad that we have to live on edge, but it's just the world that we live in.
Our world is evil, and now there is evil out there like there needs to be some good come out of it. These women did not need to lose their lives in things. We need to grow and we need to bring justice to these women. They did not deserves, so these stories cannot be told. I know that they were targeted because they were considered maybe less dead by Jerry Leon John or some individuals just because they were maybe prostitutes, or they were runaway or they were huge highers.
These people that killed them thought they don't have any family, Nobody cares about them. They're runaways, they don't have a home to go back to. No one's gonna miss them if I take their lives. We need to prove these evil people wrong because the truth is that these women all had children, sisters, mothers, They were somebody's daughter. They were loved by somebody and it's not fair that they were taken and they don't have a voice anymore. We
have to be a voice for these women. We have to be a voice for those who can't speak anymore. If I can help somewhat in that battle for justice for these women, or for justice for anybody who's taken to me, I'm gonna do my very best, because it could be it could be me, It could be you, It could be your younger daughter, it could be your mother, it could be anybody's in your life, and you don't
think he is until it's too late. These women doesn't have someone fight for them and fight for their lives because it's taken from a man with a coward who was evil and who did not deserve to determine whether or not these women not deliver or die.
And it's so unfair.
I'm getting a little notional because it's just not They didn't deserve any of this, and they definitely don't deserve for their stories not to be told or to be less Jacos. We need to find these women because there's someone out there that cares about them. The more time that goes on, the longer time passes, we're just wasting more time. Evidence is degrading, getting worse for losing any possibility of matching these women and finding them out who
they are. Their family members are dying We've just got to get on the ball and got to get justice for these women. It's not fair. It is not fair that I just live my life freely every single day when a woman who was doing the exact same thing about her life taken.
First semester came to a close and the club dismantled for winter break, but they reconvened in the new year as Riley and Marley continue to come in before school.
I am getting ready for school right now. It is six forty six am, so I'm still slightly asleep.
But we didn't get home last night till really late.
We had a basketball.
Game west Ridge High School. We had a full sweep for the girls or debut one or orse one. It is a pretty good naped, pretty successful not it won pretty big, played well, so I'm really really happy about that. And then after the game, I was sitting and talking to my grandma and I'll send her about the case and.
We're just discussing it.
I told her about Keina Farmer, who is one of Jailian John's confirmed victims.
I'll have church not after practice. We'll have practice from.
Three six this afternoon, and we're just heading straight to church and then I'll come home and do it all again tomorrow.
Good morning, ladies, Good morning. It is now our spring semester. How does it feel to be starting your second semester school? This year?
Overwhelming?
Really was us?
Junior years is really hard in general.
Well, I've got bad news for you. We're gonna cram in here too. We've got a lot of stuff that you guys have been working on, and it's kind of just coming to a point where some big things need to happen. So I said, you know, here's what I'd like to do. I would like to present our information to a district attorney and let them see. So I found our former assistant district attorney in our county and he has agreed to come and listen and see the evidence.
So he wants to come and listen next week. How do we show them that there's a connection between ten farmer Land and a lot of these other crimes, and then we need to talk about them and the signature, remember, is what offenders do to an affect, an escape or to keep them from being caught. The profiler tells me there's four things you must have to prove it's the same person. One of them is the geography, one of them is the time, one of them is the mo
and one of them is the signature. Okay, so that's to prove that there is a serial killer in operation. But the district attorney is going to want to know what's my evidence I could take to trial. That's gonna be the ligatures were the same, they disappeared from the same area, they should back up in the same area. You know, they're going to want to know some of those things because when they take it to a jury,
what's the jury want to hear. It's a circumstantial case, but a lot of people being convicted on circumstantial evidence, but you better have some good circumstantial evidence. Yeah, and then you know what does detective want to hear? What he wants to hear probably what he would look for. So I think with all those things we can that would probably cover it all. And we can figure out here in a second how to divide that up. So
what do you think? It's pretty good plan if we did like the end of next week.
Sometimes, yeah, for Sureay.
Is anybody excited?
I'm very excited.
Is anybody a little bit scared?
A little scared?
It is you know, you're going to stand up there and present a body of evidence to somebody who's an expert. They've done this for twenty thirty years. Yeah, you're not a police officer. You haven't had official training on this, but you've done a lot of work and you've done a lot of research, and so it's okay to be a little nervous. And they're very nice people, of course,
who are going to come and listen to you. But you know, the next thing is what happens when they say something to us, Like if I was the assistant district attorney, I take it.
Yeah, I don't know, like I feel like it's going to really really bother me. If like the former district attorney is like yeah, I would totally do something about that, And then we don't have like the people who can do something.
About that, Like the original students. In twenty eighteen, Riley and Marley had an idea to raise awareness.
People hearing about Tina Farmer.
You know, knowing that they're knowledge can make an impact, you know, I think that could encourage a lot more people to bring more attention.
You know, yeah, just for like we live here. If we put it on the news from the newspaper. I think it would be really eye catching for so many people here, just where there.
Was like a Green County viging that way.
I think you have excellent audia.
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