[00:00:00] Kyle: Movie Wars, episode 0048. We've got as good as it gets versus silver linings playbook. Wash your hands before you touch this podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of the Movie Wars podcast. You're a disgrace to depression. This is Kyle. Uh,
[00:00:28] Drew: I forgot to have a quote ready for this, [00:00:30] so I guess I wasn't ready.
[00:00:31] And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I could
[00:00:32] Kyle: do a better intro anyway. This podcast
[00:00:34] Phil: is the reason cavemen chilled, chiseled on walls. I just drank tea that numbed my mouth. This is Phil. A
[00:00:43] Drew: podcast chiseled on walls. This will
[00:00:44] Kyle: be the first one where Drew goes third.
[00:00:46] Drew: Wait, there was such a good quote from as good as it gets.
[00:00:49] You want to be a better man? I'll just, uh, this one's not great, but. You're a disgrace for, no, I'm sorry, my, my lips are tongue, my lips are tongue, my lips are numb, you're a [00:01:00] disgrace to depression, I'm Drew. That's the one I did.
[00:01:03] Kyle: I just did that. You're gonna make me get another
[00:01:06] Drew: one? Jesus. I'm crushing this.
[00:01:08] This is a great outtake by the way. I think of a podcast and I take away reason and accountability, I'm Drew.
[00:01:14] Kyle: Yeah, okay, there you go. We've got as good as it gets. versus silver linings playbook, and I have had this on the docket for a long time. A lot of people, including I think one of you were surprised that both of these movies are in my top 50.
[00:01:25] Not surprised. How many movies are
[00:01:27] Drew: actually in your top 50? So
[00:01:28] Kyle: I think as good as this gets, like [00:01:30] 161 on my top 50 list. Silver linings is like 243, um, on my top 50. Um, well this, as good as it gets, was just, it was a weird movie for me to like, I, when I first saw it. I was younger and I, I couldn't believe I was liking it.
[00:01:45] I was like my Robocop and Terminator and Keanu love and Scorsese and I'm like just geeking out over as good as it gets. I loved it so much. And then when Silver Linings came out, I was also shocked by how enamored, you know, it was kind of Oscar baby a little bit, obviously both these [00:02:00] movies got best actress winners for Helen Hunt and for Jennifer Lawrence.
[00:02:02] I was thinking through, I was like, why did I like these movies so much? And I was thinking about my relationship with romantic comedies, and I, and I like them. But you guys know, I'm not like super into them. I like When Harry Met Sally, but that one's, I just don't love them by and large. You like the Mount Rushmore of rom com.
[00:02:18] Yes, that's a really good observation. Why don't you get me away from the Mount Rushmore? I'm kind of like, all right. But these are I love a
[00:02:22] Phil: good cheap rom com. Brainless. Watch two people fall in love for no f*cking reason. It's great.
[00:02:28] Kyle: I think that's what's interesting for [00:02:30] me, and I was realizing, I relate to these because these feel more real to me.
[00:02:33] And I talked about this in an early podcast. Let's go ahead and get it out there in the open. I have been diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder. I don't wear it like a f*cking badge like half the country on Instagram does these days when they're like, you know, transcribing their entire therapist appointment.
[00:02:46] Which I have a therapist, but I'm not transcribing, you know, Telling my appointments online to strangers. That's for me and my therapist, and God! If you go to a therapist, I'm good for you, great, I do too. Let's keep going, but let's just do it quietly. Quiet soldiers. Talk to people [00:03:00] who care, not the internet.
[00:03:00] Maybe your wife or your girlfriend or It's like driving
[00:03:02] Phil: a car, you know? Yeah, or your dog. Nobody does it, we just don't talk about it.
[00:03:05] Kyle: And so I'm I'm watching Jack Nicholson and I'm I'm thinking, I'm like You know, before I sought treatment, I used to, you know, I'm gonna be really open here. I used to check three times a night if my cars were locked and my doors were locked every night.
[00:03:16] Three times. That's when I, before I got treatment, I got treatment. Now I, sometimes I do that, but sometimes I'm like, you can do this. You can just go to bed. The car is locked. You know? And so I've had to, I've had to get work, but I relate to what he's doing. I hate to say that on a, but I'm [00:03:30] going to tell the whole world.
[00:03:30] Phil: Am
[00:03:31] Kyle: I doing what I said not to do? But, but
[00:03:32] Phil: you're not doing it in like a sad way. Well, no,
[00:03:34] Kyle: you're giving context for why you like the movie. That's different. I related to it. Now, this is this very severe version of that, obviously in the movie. And there are people I remember, you remember the show, uh, what was one of those daytime show?
[00:03:46] Who was the Maury? Remember Maury, the daytime TV shows? He did one on OCD. I think I was home with strep. Mari. Mari. Mari Povich. I think I had strep one day, and you know when your, there's this daytime TV on, and they have an obsessive compulsive one on there. [00:04:00] And there was a woman that made her husband drink coffee through a straw so his teeth wouldn't, teeth wouldn't stain.
[00:04:05] And he made her pee sitting down so he wouldn't get splashed. Like, there are people out there, it's rarer, but they do have these really, like, very like aggressive
[00:04:13] Phil: versions of it.
[00:04:14] Drew: Oh, so let me ask you this, as someone with OCD or had OCD or whatever, I don't know exactly where you are in your OCD journey.
[00:04:21] Because I have OCD as well, but not this kind, I guess. It's under control. Would you say it's an accurate depiction of someone's struggle? Like, is it? I don't know, like, [00:04:30] I feel like I do. You could make a nitpick that it's a little, like It's a little over the top. They use it for comedic effect and stuff more so than
[00:04:36] Kyle: The part that's hard is he's wealthy, and so some of his compulsions can be, can be like him using a different bar of soap to wash his hands three times.
[00:04:43] Like, that's not accessible for most and those are surgical soaps like you notice they're the the gelatin sponges like that was a little crazy but I do one thing I admire about Nicholson's performance in that is that he does play off as if it's not like he's not making it kitschy you know it
[00:04:58] Phil: feels very real for him [00:05:00] like it just kind of slides.
[00:05:00] Slides into that persona that he carries with him.
[00:05:02] Kyle: I personally felt, felt the love, you know, I hate to use a modern term, felt represented, but you know, I did, I did watch it and think that you felt seen. I felt seen. I was like, yeah, if you don't take care of it and this happened to me, I won't get into these details, but it will impact your marriage, your relationship when you have compulsions and jerking
[00:05:17] Phil: off 15 times a day, you know,
[00:05:18] Drew: just to make sure when you were a kid, I did.
[00:05:21] Is there a chance that you have OCD because you watched this? Yes. Maybe
[00:05:24] Kyle: this gave me permission. I need to wash my hands. That's a great question. Maybe, maybe it was subconscious. [00:05:30] Maybe I'm Jack Nicholson is, you know, that's a funny question. Yeah, so I, I think I just, and I relate to these love stories, they're bumbling, and I love how Jack Nicholson's Melvin, like, he never says the right thing, and he's constantly, like, one step forward, ten steps back, like, saying the dumbest things.
[00:05:46] I
[00:05:47] Phil: know dude, it's so rough, it always makes me sad, he like, he goes into a situation and just states the most negative, obvious thing that you
[00:05:54] Kyle: slept with Simon, and she's Well I thought if you slept with Simon And she is into him at that moment [00:06:00] She is melting And the recoil is So hard and fast. And he won't go in the store to get the coat.
[00:06:07] He makes the guy come to him and he's like, No, I'm not going in there because he's looking at the tile. And, uh, I love this about Silver Linings. Silver Linings was so fresh. And it just felt like, yes, mental illness is the vehicle for it. But it felt like what I have experienced relationships like. I've only dated two women.
[00:06:25] One girl and then my wife. Did you know she was your wife when you [00:06:30] started dating her? It was crazy. Like, she showed me the wedding certificate on date three and I was like, whoa. This is how I feel like I experienced relationships. When I'm thinking about, like, how did these movies get in my top 50? These are versions of romance that I can, you know, I can really attach myself to.
[00:06:43] So, what are, uh, what are
[00:06:44] Drew: our impressions here? Well, it's, uh, the year 2024. I had not seen As Good As It Gets, which came out in 1997. No way! You hadn't seen that film? I'm really excited. And I love 90s movies. Like, I love to just revisit that decade because that's the decade I grew [00:07:00] up in. And, uh, I thought it was such a really, like all the things we're going to talk about aside, it felt like such a great snapshot of the nineties, you know, just watching him write from a giant, like, I don't know, like compact computer or whatever.
[00:07:10] I'm like, Oh, I feel like I'm a kid again. Like just looking around, seeing the cars they're driving and stuff. Yeah. I mean, I enjoyed both these movies. Both of them obviously revolve around complex, flawed characters with, you know, Mental illness, mental disorder, both of them provide some comedic relief, both of them provide an interesting, compelling love story and kind of an interesting look into [00:07:30] what it's like to find love or attempt to find love with mental illness.
[00:07:33] So I actually was surprised at how good a matchup this was. I was really apprehensive, like, because I don't associate these movies as such. Similar movies, maybe it's just because they came out at such different times and different acting styles and whatnot But I really liked as good as it gets. I saw silver linings when it came out.
[00:07:47] I really enjoyed it But I that was I mean a decade or
[00:07:51] Kyle: 2012.
[00:07:51] Drew: Yeah, so over 10 years ago in 2008 I didn't remember a lot about it except I knew it was a philadelphia movie because i'm a cowboys fan We're cowboys. I'm wearing a cowboy shirt [00:08:00] and I remember the whole eagles piece But other than that, I couldn't remember anything, but it was really really good really well acted.
[00:08:06] Uh, jennifer Lawrence is just so Dynamic and so versatile. I just got done watching the hunger games series and I loved her in that So then shifting gears just to watch her in this kind of make her big debut I was like man, this girl can just kind of do it all So anyway, I enjoyed both of them and I'm excited to talk about these today
[00:08:24] Kyle: Dare I say Jennifer Lawrence is top three for me top three.
[00:08:26] I know you always like hall
[00:08:28] Phil: pass Top three.
[00:08:29] Kyle: What's a hall [00:08:30] pass? Are you serious? I'm not, oh, I think I know what you're talking about. I'm not going down that road. There are no hall passes in my life.
[00:08:37] Music: There
[00:08:37] Drew: are
[00:08:38] Kyle: conceptual hall passes. No. There's
[00:08:40] Drew: no hall. There's no pass.
[00:08:41] Kyle: There's no hall pass. No,
[00:08:43] Drew: there's no hall pass.
[00:08:43] Unless I have to go to the bathroom.
[00:08:44] Kyle: Dare I say the, the Eagles element was amazing as a Cowboys fan, but one of my favorite quotes in the movie is the, is the therapist. Jason Jackson's the f*cking man. That did not age well, I know because he wasn't but that was the fact that like they have such an [00:09:00] adversarial therapeutic relationship Once or both at the game and they're in their eagles thing They are the same like I love that element of it
[00:09:06] Drew: And then at the end when she's rattling off the scores of the games that eagles played and they've talked about the cowboys game I was like, I remember that game how they beat them at the end of the season to go to the playoffs.
[00:09:16] I was like This is, I hate this movie. Did we watch that game together, maybe? I'm pretty sure we did. I think we did, yeah. Feels like we did. 2012, I was in
[00:09:22] Kyle: that. But that was the 2008 season. That's crazy.
[00:09:25] Phil: That's awesome. I have seen both of these movies at different times and forgot everything [00:09:30] about both of them.
[00:09:30] So it was good getting to watch them again. As good as it gets was way better than I remember it being. I didn't have any negative memories of it. It just was better than I remembered it being. I thought it was just like Drew said, a great snapshot of the 90s. It was kind of like a little light and unrealistic on the mental illness thing, I think.
[00:09:46] But like, you know, that at that time, that wasn't really like a focal point in society. So you can't really expect them to be able to dive in way deep with all this accuracy because I don't know that society would have been ready for it. So I think they told the story in the most humanizing and [00:10:00] respectful way they could.
[00:10:01] Using a guy who's already pretty strange in Jack Nicholson. So I don't feel like it was that big of a stretch for him. Yeah. To act like a dude with like chronic OCD. Like, cannot walk out his front door without experiencing some kind of compulsion. They got him at like, the right age, the right everything to play that role.
[00:10:18] Just absolutely loved him in that movie. Loved Helen Hunt in that movie. So charming. Loved Greg Kinnear in that movie. Everyone was so good. Like, um, Cuba Gooding Jr., who I kind of hit and miss on depending on the role, like, I thought he was great in that. [00:10:30] Like, the whole movie just worked. Yeah. It felt good, it was nice to look at, it was, it was feel good, the music's really fun, like, love the weird dog subplot, and with the, what I'm pretty sure is a Brussels Griffin and the only reason I know that is because those dogs look like some kind of weird version of Chewbacca.
[00:10:44] Yeah. Which is what that dog looks like. Like a shrunken, like a shrunken version of a shrunken, weird Chewbacca. But yeah man, as good as it gets was just great, it was like a Hollywood showpiece. That also had a lot of heart and a lot of soul to it. I'm not gonna lie, I did not enjoy Silver Linings Playbook the first time I saw it, [00:11:00] the second time I saw it, or this time.
[00:11:01] To me, the movie didn't know what it wanted to be. It wasn't funny enough to be a comedy, and it wasn't serious and reverent enough to be, like, real. Drama. Like a character study. Like a drama, or like a, you know, a real like deep dive into mental illness like they were actually I mean I thought they were pretty surface level with it especially for the time that it came out like they could have gone way more serious with it but they kind of like got really serious but then would make light of certain things and so and then also to me it was like always sunny in Philadelphia without the comedy like all they do is scream at each other the whole time [00:11:30] so I wasn't I wasn't too into that one that's yeah that's about all I got a fair
[00:11:33] Drew: critique because there's also not enough romance to make a romance either.
[00:11:37] Yeah, it's kind of like had a toe in like all the different genres and it didn't really commit. I feel like it
[00:11:42] Phil: was trying to do a lot of things in a short amount of time. It did some things really well. I feel like oddly enough, it really nailed the vibe of like the Northeast and the Philadelphia thing and like the way that like Italian American families interact with each other.
[00:11:54] That felt really legit. And also the insides of the homes were pretty spot on.
[00:11:59] Drew: Oh, it just felt so good. [00:12:00] I mean, I've spent a fair amount of time in Philadelphia over the years, and it felt so Philly. Oh, it was, yeah. I
[00:12:06] Phil: mean, my dad's from that area. I used to go up there all the time as a kid, and my grandparents lived right outside of Philly, and so it all felt very much like that area.
[00:12:13] So yeah, it was a funny movie for me because it did a lot of things extremely well. Like Jennifer Lawrence, for instance, was amazing. Oh, so good. And then it just dropped, to me, it dropped the ball on a lot of other things, and it just kind of made it a confusing watch for me. Yeah,
[00:12:28] Kyle: well, you know aside from just [00:12:30] loving the takes on mental illness.
[00:12:31] Yes, both exaggerated But I think personally I felt they were both in bounds and fair and and I felt I felt like I loved this I'm, just speaking for my own self personally. They weren't disrespectful. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think so and you know, I I also, watching, uh, As Good As It Gets sent me on a Jack Nicholson, a Drew style tear.
[00:12:48] You know, like, Drew goes on these, like, he went on an Al Pacino tear, a Defoe tear. I went on a Jack Nicholson tear. I've always loved him, but I was watching it thinking, I just want to go back, and so I re watched Chinatown, I re [00:13:00] watched, uh, The Passenger, which is an Italian director, beautiful film, 1975, and, uh, re watched The Last Detail, just kind of his older stuff.
[00:13:07] Just kind of like, because, you I've seen The Shining like hundreds of times, like I don't need, I have that memorized. I'm just so blown away by Jack Nicholson's acting. I feel like if I could describe it in any way, he's got this interesting aura where he's detached from everything around him. Like his facial expressions, I feel, he's acting, and he's in it.
[00:13:25] He doesn't look like a
[00:13:25] Phil: real person. That's like.
[00:13:26] Kyle: Yeah. He He kind of pops. Yeah, he
[00:13:28] Phil: sticks out big times. He does look like a [00:13:30] caricature,
[00:13:30] Kyle: but what's interesting is every movie, and I have Randall's about this here too, is when we did a few Good Men, all the actors are intimidated by him. They're intimidated by his presence.
[00:13:37] And when they're doing stage reads with him, or they're doing sit down reads, they're just like, they say the tone is just different when he starts to read. Like they just like the professionalism. And some of it might be because, you know, he grew up. Thinking his grandmother, you know, he was raised by his grandmother.
[00:13:51] His sister was actually his mother. He didn't know
[00:13:54] Phil: until his
[00:13:55] Kyle: twenties, his mother was actually, he's got a wild upbringing story. [00:14:00] And I was thinking like, if that was your reality, like you may act in this way where you, you kind of, he almost acts like he's in his own bubble. You know what I mean? It doesn't make sense.
[00:14:08] He's Jack Nicholson everywhere it goes and it works like that. It's kind of annoying sometimes. And I'm rewatching these old movies with him. I just, I see it all the time. I love it. Easy Rider, like, there's just so much good stuff. So anyway, I, I love getting sent and I'm still in the middle of this Jack Nicholson binge.
[00:14:22] I'm going to rewatch Crossing Guard, Sean Penn's first directorial film. And I just love it. And Brad Cooper here, I just, I know you didn't love it, but Brad Cooper's [00:14:30] refreshing here. And this was a huge pivot for him. And we'll get to this in the, in the casting.
[00:14:34] Phil: Oh yeah.
[00:14:34] Kyle: Yeah. That's great. All fair.
[00:14:35] Phil: Shut the
[00:14:36] f*ck up the whole time.
[00:14:37] Oh, sure. No, it's all fair. I did not like Bradley Cooper in that. Did you like him in Hangover or anything else? I mean, Hangover, yeah, he was pretty funny in that. But like, in general, I'm not a huge, like, Bradley Cooper fan. He didn't do a whole lot for me.
[00:14:48] Drew: This was kind of his first, like, not wedding crashers, hangover, like, frat party movie, right?
[00:14:54] Kyle: Yeah, and that's why David O'Russell cast him. Because, you know, David O'Russell, who's one of my favorite directors, the fighter, [00:15:00] American Hustle, he is just, I just think he's amazing. Aside from his obvious, he's pretty amazing. Got some character issues, obviously, but whatever. Um. They all do, right? Yeah, they all do at this point.
[00:15:08] It's hard to It's hard to throw a rock at a Hollywood person and not find someone with some issues. But, um. Um. Haha. Apparently, the conversation with Brad Cooper was He Brad Cooper was an angry person. This is You know it's Bradley,
[00:15:19] Phil: right?
[00:15:19] Kyle: Bradley Cooper. Does it not go
[00:15:21] Phil: by Brad? Oh, it's Brad Lee. Like, his middle name's Lee.
[00:15:24] I call it Robert Bobby. I call
[00:15:26] Drew: him Martin Marty. The first time you called him Brad Cooper, I was like, ah, that's cool. He did it four [00:15:30] times in a row. You
[00:15:30] Kyle: know it's
[00:15:31] Drew: Bradley,
[00:15:31] Kyle: right? If he really wants me to, what a narcissist. For, to make me, you know. He also speaks fluent French. He's not making you do anything.
[00:15:37] I am. I wanted to talk to you about making me say, eugh. You know, the druh, the druh's fine, but the yee. Maury, Brad Cooper. Maury, Maury Povich. Bradley! Go back to the playground, you piece of sh*t. Bradley. Hope your mom packed your lunch, Bradley! There you go. Jeez, don't fall off the monkey bars, Bradley! What a child.
[00:15:58] He's going bronchial. [00:16:00] Okay, nevermind. f*ck you, Bradley. I was gonna compliment you, but I'm done with you. Eat a dick, Brad. How dare you. How dare you. Go buy Brad, Brad. It's good enough for Brad Pitt. It's good enough for Brad Pitt.
[00:16:13] Phil: You imagine if it was Bradley Pitt? Bradley Pitt? How often would you want to kick his ass, right?
[00:16:16] He would be a
[00:16:17] Kyle: janitor at a Dairy Queen in Missouri right now if he went by Bradley Pitt. I don't know.
[00:16:21] Phil: Somebody that good. You know what? Never mind. He could have been great.
[00:16:23] Drew: Do Missouri Dairy Queens have, like, fully focused janitorial staff? Name Bradley.
[00:16:27] Phil: 100%. So dirty. Someone's gotta clean that. [00:16:30]
[00:16:30] Kyle: Sticky sh*thole.
[00:16:31] Yeah. I was going to compliment him and now I'm mad. Yeah, f*ck that guy. I'm just mad. Horrible performance, horrible movie, horrible cast. David or Russell, go, go jump off a bridge. But those eyes, dude. But those blue eyes. Those beautiful blues. That's a good looking guy. In all seriousness, Bradley was, I'm not going to be able to say it the rest of the podcast now.
[00:16:47] Phil: Bradley
[00:16:48] Kyle: was I thought, I loved it. I loved his transition between insanity and, uh, this, you know, this almost, like, over the top, zealous, like, what would you call it, like, this allude, this delusion of [00:17:00] optimism, you know, and, like, these swings, I thought he, I thought, when he, I love that scene when he runs in the room and throws the book, about, the Hemingway book, and he's pissed, and his parents are like, it's 3 a.
[00:17:08] m., and, that was pretty cool.
[00:17:10] Drew: That was a pretty
[00:17:10] Kyle: good scene. Great scene. And Jennifer Lawrence, this was kind of my first, I didn't see the Hunger Games when they came out. In fact, I think I'm going to watch them with you. You and I talked about it because you liked them. I don't know that I want to
[00:17:19] Drew: watch them again, but maybe in a few years I'll be.
[00:17:20] I've never
[00:17:21] Kyle: seen them. Okay. I'll watch them with you then. Watch them with me. f*ck you. I'm just kidding.
[00:17:25] Drew: We'll watch them over here, and he's not invited. That's just that I just watched them. I don't know
[00:17:29] Kyle: that I want to run it back [00:17:30] already. I'm just messing. Jennifer Lawrence was amazing, and she's in American Hustle, and then like, I've just, She's probably my favorite actress.
[00:17:36] I just, I just. There you go. And you think
[00:17:38] Drew: she's hot. Let's be honest.
[00:17:39] Kyle: No comment. She's, uh, she's a beautiful woman. And she, I, her husband is, they probably have a great relationship. I'm sure they pay their taxes on time. That is
[00:17:48] Phil: two things that's true of all Hollywood people. Yeah. Great relationship, no tax for her.
[00:17:52] Except for Nick Cage, Wesley Snipes, and uh Everyone else. Yeah.
[00:17:55] Kyle: Great relationship, no This is the best impressions I've ever given.
[00:17:59] Drew: Anyway, [00:18:00] are we still warring these movies or are we just
[00:18:03] Kyle: gonna talk about how I say names the rest of the night? What's funny is I'm not drinking and I don't even have any booze and I'm not saying names right, you know
[00:18:10] Phil: Just feeling loose man.
[00:18:11] Everybody's your homie tonight. Yo, Jenny Jenny L like she was so f*cking good in that
[00:18:16] Drew: film Yo, Jenny L. Oh Jackie Nicklaus. Yeah, I mean Jackie Nicky Jack Nicholson's a golfer.
[00:18:23] Kyle: Jack, Jack Lee, Jackie Nicholson, Nicholson. Jackie Nicky, Gregory
[00:18:28] Phil: Kinnear.
[00:18:28] Kyle: You know, I had already been a [00:18:30] David O. Russell fan though, but it was great to be exposed to some fantastic performances here.
[00:18:33] As good as it gets. It's just one of those comfort movies. I love Jack Nicholson's like always digging himself into a hole and then finding the most charming way to get out. And he's just such a force. So I love both these movies. I am having a hard time keeping these movies in my top 50 during this Jack Nicholson rewatch because when I rewatched Chinatown, I just remembered how freaking insane and amazing that movie is.
[00:18:55] Must see. Chinatown's so good. Never seen it either. There's got to be a matchup for it. I mean, it's, it's [00:19:00] on every top 50 of all time list. It's freaking insane. Phenomenal. I had mentioned,
[00:19:03] Drew: I never saw as good as it gets, but I remember watching the Oscars the year that it was nominated with Titanic. Oh, yeah.
[00:19:09] I remember for some reason as a kid, 1998 or whatever it was, when he came up on stage, I remember him saying, uh, like he got up there and like he took a big size, like, whew, I had a sinking feeling. I wasn't going to win this tonight because he was up against Leo, I think for the best. And
[00:19:25] Phil: your love of puns was born.
[00:19:27] And
[00:19:27] Kyle: I was like,
[00:19:28] Drew: I love this man.
[00:19:29] Kyle: Before I get to [00:19:30] randos, here's what our fans said. It's funny when I left the house. Fandos! Fandos! Yeah! Whoa,
[00:19:35] Phil: that was cute! That was different.
[00:19:37] Kyle: That was cute.
[00:19:39] Phil: Yeah! You
[00:19:39] Kyle: guys did that like a couple of Bradleys just now. Our cycles are sinking. Couple of Bradleys in here. Like a
[00:19:48] Drew: d k.
[00:19:48] Now that was a good impression.
[00:19:49] Kyle: Yeah, see, you get there. Even if you don't do it the first time, Phil eventually gets the impression. Unfortunately we can't say that on the podcast. He's
[00:19:55] Drew: got this real leathery tone. Yeah.
[00:19:58] Phil: Sounds like he knows [00:20:00] something you don't is that like that's what I define that voice
[00:20:03] Kyle: comes out through that smile that giant He doesn't really change his big smile.
[00:20:06] He's just like yeah, he's a clown face like yeah,
[00:20:08] Phil: you know a little bit of paint He
[00:20:09] Kyle: looks like a clown He
[00:20:11] Drew: can play the joker
[00:20:13] Kyle: Maybe maybe one of them until he ledger was the best joker by a lot of standards our fans when I left it was tied But now it is 55 45 as good as it gets wins by one vote couple of comments here We have a new fan, by the way, mr.
[00:20:25] Michael day. He's uh, he's been engaged with me. He's a newer fan He's really Michael [00:20:30] Bay? Close, Michael Bay. I f*cking love you, Michael Bay. Yeah. He, uh, he picked Silver Linings and the reason being, uh, more in touch of getting through the difficult times when you're at your worst. He liked that. Alright. Uh, Mr.
[00:20:40] Brad, as good as it gets, is just better overall movie. Bradley or Brad? That's a good question. I was gonna say the same thing. Oh, it's Brady, actually. No! Sorry, neither. You got lucky, Brady. If your name was Bradley, you'd be out! Yeah. You'd be out of Movie Wars! I love that it
[00:20:57] Drew: wasn't either of those. No more Bradleys.
[00:20:59] Oh, it's Brady. [00:21:00] We call him Brad. His name's Brady. Brad for short. My
[00:21:02] Kyle: accountant's name is Brad. I'm done with him. I'm done. This is over. No more Brad's or Bradley's in my life. I'm done. Sorry, I can't do it anymore. I can't face it. He says, Brady! As good as it gets, it's just a better overall movie. Plus, I guess Jack Nicholson, O'Greg Kinnear, and H.
[00:21:14] H. Helen Hunt all killing it. It took me a minute to Becky says, our fan Becky. I'm trying to see what she voted for first. You guys need to curse less on your podcast. Becky voted for Silver Linings, and Becky just says, better movie. Love it. I love it. Sorry, Becky. Thanks, Becky. But you're wrong. Yeah. Thank you, fans.
[00:21:27] Always love reading your comments. So let's get to some As [00:21:30] Good As It Rando! I wanna know. As Rando
[00:21:33] Phil: as
[00:21:33] Kyle: As, yeah,
[00:21:34] Phil: it's not my fault. Well, I feel like these movies would have interesting randos.
[00:21:38] Kyle: They do. As good as The gift was actually hard. And I had, I had my DVD, I had my, what's the commentary? Yeah. It didn't even fill my whole screen.
[00:21:43] It was, it was a box in the movie. My, oh wow. This one's my high def DV and I have a hundred. Love that. Yeah, I love it. So Jack Nicholson was terrified that no one would light the movie because of how horribly he was to people. So he was very weary about taking this role forward. He was very
[00:21:55] Drew: homophobic and mean.
[00:21:56] Kyle: Yeah, he was not a nice guy. Definitely not a Hollywood guy. get you outta that inner [00:22:00] circle real quick, if you know what I mean. Cory Feldman, the big kiss at the end wasn't supposed to be. Director James L. Brooks yelled, Kisser Man, at the end, and, uh, he improv'd it. So Jack improv'd the kiss. Darn good kiss.
[00:22:10] Nice. And he just went for it. This is, like, the most reported rando I found, and I always try to verify sources and stuff, but I never found the actual book where John Updike said this, but it says, Udall's response about how he writes women, I think of a man and take away reason and accountability, is actually a quote from the author John Updike.
[00:22:26] I could never find it, but this is the most common rando on the internet, for [00:22:30] as good as it gets.
[00:22:30] Phil: Interesting. So,
[00:22:31] Kyle: I go on a quest further. I put it here because It's very common, rando, but
[00:22:35] Phil: Yeah, if you put it out to the networks, you know, you're, you're giving somebody the chance to be right on the internet.
[00:22:40] So they will be.
[00:22:41] Drew: Well, we're, listen, we're not writing a college research paper here. We're just, we're having a podcast.
[00:22:44] Phil: It's a podcast. f*cking listen
[00:22:47] Kyle: or don't. If you find this John Updike quote, I'll send you a t shirt. Not a special t shirt, just any t shirt I find in my drawer. But I will send you a t shirt.
[00:22:54] We don't have t shirts. We don't. Going back to your Oscar ceremony thing, Jack Nicholson ascended the podium carefully by stepping [00:23:00] over cracks on the stage to take his, his Oscar for it. Really? Yeah. And so he was doing the thing he did as Melvin up the stairs that you can find the video. It's awesome. I kind of feel
[00:23:08] Phil: you got to have some balls to do that at an award show because everyone knows what you're doing.
[00:23:12] So you're either going to kill it and everyone's going to think you're a badass or you're going to like, it's just not going to land. Everyone's just going to think you're being weird.
[00:23:19] Kyle: Yeah. This is a whole other podcast. do that. We could do one of our minis, but when is someone larger than life? And I probably would put Jack Nicholson and like, can do whatever the f*ck.
[00:23:27] There's a handful of people in this world that can get [00:23:30] away with all the sh*t. And I think Jack Nicholson is one of them. I don't know, man. I've seen a lot of people. Like he's, he's said the craziest things he's done some crazy. He
[00:23:37] Drew: is kind of like the old white Kanye of Hollywood. I mean,
[00:23:41] Kyle: he's linked to Roman, Roman Polanski because of what Roman Polanski, you know, like why he was, you know, Just kicked out of this country for, you know, even that didn't get Jack Nicholson down.
[00:23:50] Phil: I just, it's just crazy. It depends on what part of you they like more. They liked him as an actor on the pedestal. We'll keep him in movies. So they left him there.
[00:23:56] Kyle: Anyway, great. Go, go, go look that up on the YouTube. On the O YouTube! That's www. [00:24:00] youtube. com. Thanks for
[00:24:03] Phil: providing that reference.
[00:24:04] Kyle: Yeah, just in case.
[00:24:05] Just in case.
[00:24:06] Drew: Nevermind, we need to move on.
[00:24:07] Kyle: Lastly, Jack Nicholson would sometimes do compulsive tics off camera. So in order to keep the, to keep the vibe going with the mental illness, he would do stuff off screen. Like he developed like little tics and obsessions to stay in the moment. You don't want to forget what it's like to obsess.
[00:24:20] Exactly. I can relate to that. Lastly, Greg Kinnear. I just said lastly twice. I'm an idiot. Finally, Leslie! I am in my game today. Bradley! Greg Kinnear was scared to work with Jack Nicholson. He called Jack Nicholson an [00:24:30] actor of great unpredictability. And I guess Kinnear was scared. He's a
[00:24:32] Phil: man of great predictability.
[00:24:34] Kyle: Oh yeah, I guess
[00:24:35] Phil: so. I guess that would make Kinnear Kinnear
[00:24:36] Drew: does seem like somebody that would rehearse a lot and be super prepared and not improvise.
[00:24:40] Phil: Oh yeah, cause Jack Nicholson would probably just throw in a line somewhere, and then Greg Kinnear would be like, That's not on the script! You know? You'd freaking stick up the ass.
[00:24:48] Yeah, seriously. f*cking show out Greg.
[00:24:50] Kyle: On to Silver Linings, we've got the Silver Linings randos here. Uh, David O. Russell was inspired by his son. His son has bipolar disorder, and he said when making this film, he [00:25:00] made it for him, and kind of made it as a dedication to him, and his son is actually in the movie.
[00:25:03] He's the kid that runs up to the doorbell and runs away. In Silver Linings, that's David O. Russell's kid. Oh. Get, this is a wild duo. I want to hear what you guys think about this. This was originally supposed to be Mark Wahlberg and Anne Hathaway in Silver Linings. Yeah, and she said she had, so this is right before, I think, Harvey Weinstein's whole thing, so he wanted her, he was the one that had talked to her, and she said she, I always love it when they say they have creative differences with the direct, she had creative differences, like, what does that mean?
[00:25:26] Um, but also other actresses, Olivia Wilde, Rachel McAdams, all [00:25:30] tested for the role. Zander for Lawrence's character was supposed to be a goth. Originally so she kept some of the elements at the cross and some of the clothing some of
[00:25:36] Drew: that and Anne Hathaway could have Played a cop.
[00:25:37] Kyle: Yeah. Yeah, she totally could have but she was gonna do the full on makeup and piercings And it was supposed to be a whole thing last rando Robert Durando here this It's about Robert De Niro.
[00:25:48] Drew: He's in this movie. We haven't talked about it.
[00:25:50] Kyle: Yeah, I know I know cuz he's Robert De Niro in it the silver linings playbook screenplay brought him to his tear Apparently he like wept for 10 minutes when David O Russell and him did a read through of the script and it [00:26:00] brought him to brought him to tears David O Russell was I thought he had hay fever and then I realized he was having an emotional reaction and I sat there and watched Robert De Niro cry for ten minutes and I said, wow, he's really connecting with this material.
[00:26:10] Wow, that's huge. That's huge. That is huge. I would love to make Robert De Niro cry someday. Shall we find our way, shall we find our way into some bumbly romance? Shall we? Let's war. War of
[00:26:21] Phil: the minds. John
[00:26:22] Kyle: Moore said, John Mayer said, love is war. What does it mean with names? What is it with me and names?
[00:26:26] John Morris. John Morris. John Mayer. John Morris.
[00:26:29] Drew: But you [00:26:30] gotta get out that one! Where's the iPad? I brought the mini iPad today. Where's the iPad? It's, it's plugged in out there. Put that down. I gotta pull it up, we're good.
[00:26:37] Kyle: Go get, how are you even gonna read on that
[00:26:39] Drew: thing?
[00:26:39] Kyle: I
[00:26:39] Drew: got my glasses on. There's like a hundred people in a movie.
[00:26:42] You're gonna read it on that little thing? Top Bill Cats! All right, all right, all right. As good as it gets. Jack Nicholson and Helen Hunt versus Bradley Cooper. Or Jennifer Lawrence. And Jennifer Lawrence. This is
[00:26:53] Kyle: tough. Somebody else go first. I don't,
[00:26:55] Drew: I don't even
[00:26:55] Phil: This is I mean, you guys know where I'm gonna go with this one.
[00:26:57] I go, Jack Nicholson and Helen Hunt. You [00:27:00] hated Bradley Cooper. I didn't really, he didn't do anything for me. Jennifer Lawrence was great, but Bradley Cooper, eh, could've done without him. Yeah, Jack Nicholson, like, I don't know that this movie is well loved enough to call this, like, a role he was made for, but I feel like it was like a role he was made for, like, he just nailed it.
[00:27:14] It's beloved.
[00:27:15] Kyle: It's a beloved film.
[00:27:15] Phil: He seemed genuinely just an older dude who had lived with some level of OCD his whole life and had just kind of, you know, with little to no accountability and probably not a lot of therapy until maybe later in life, you know, he probably suffered the consequences of it.
[00:27:28] Cause he's alone. Do they ever get into why [00:27:30] that is? Why he's alone?
[00:27:30] Kyle: Yeah. They don't get into past relationships really with him.
[00:27:33] Drew: Yeah. Like if they were to infer that it's because he has been able to find love because he's so insufferable.
[00:27:38] Phil: They set the table and, and the people in that movie really, like, nailed it.
[00:27:42] Helen Hunt, that was one of her better roles, I thought. She was incredible. Credit where credit's due, like, Jennifer Lawrence was great. Drew,
[00:27:48] Drew: as Phil
[00:27:48] Kyle: as
[00:27:48] Drew: it gets. Uh, yeah, I wouldn't say there's a weak link here. Probably my least favorite performance would be from our guy, Brad Cooper.
[00:27:54] Kyle: Brad. Bradwell. Brad.
[00:27:57] Bradwell, that's what Brad's short for.
[00:27:59] Drew: [00:28:00] Flyin the Cooper. I really believed Helen Hunt as the lead. Yeah, man. A really, like a struggling to pay the bills single mom, like, tell, like, she wore a heart on her sleeve for her kid and the stuff he was going through and just trying to make ends meet and all. I just really loved that performance and Nicholson for all the things we've already said, so I'll go as good as it gets.
[00:28:18] Kyle: I love that you've, what you, how you focus on Helen Hunt. This is tough for me, but the, There isn't a weak link, but if you had to pick one out of these four performances specifically, it is unfortunately Bradley Cooper. I think he's fantastic, [00:28:30] but I mean, and yes, I love meeting and experiencing Jennifer Lawrence for the first time.
[00:28:34] Like that was such an amazing experience for me as a, as a fan now, but this is just one of those crazy Jack Nicholson performances and Helen Hunt is just insane in this. Like, and she's also in her forties. Like I did research, like, cause you know, they never really, I think they may mention her age, but she's in her forties.
[00:28:47] Like I love the director choice and the creative choice to have her, not just a single mom struggling in New York with a. A sick kid, but she's in her forties. She's not like a, you know, a 25 year old single mom going to the clubs at night. Like she is living this really difficult [00:29:00] life and she plays it.
[00:29:01] The way that the, that Jack Nicholson and Helen Hunt's lives, like for the first, like 99 percent of the movie, they're going 99 miles per hour at each other. And they just missed right at the last minute. Like they're so close. And then then Melvin says something really stupid and it takes her forever to get over and then they're so close to getting together again and then he just screws it up again.
[00:29:20] It's just like, they're the most like hateful, beloved, cute, abominable, what is it, abominable couple. Abdominoplasty. Abdominoplasty. They're just so [00:29:30] Abdominals pizza. It works. It is, I'll finish it with this. His life is about perfect obsessive order and she brings the chaos. And it's just a beautiful marriage.
[00:29:39] And today, you and I were talking before we hit record, like, it's just, so many new movies and, like, remakes and retreads. Everything's so stale. And, like, so many of the modern trends are just not, I just don't dig, like, where we're going as a society. This felt like a timepiece to me. I watched, I was like, I like this time capsule, and I like this place in film history.
[00:29:56] I was gonna say,
[00:29:58] Phil: get into why I didn't love [00:30:00] Bradley Cooper a little bit in Silver Linings. His performance was inconsistent. Really? He had some brilliant moments in it. Then there were others where it just didn't feel like he was the same dude. Like where the eyes weren't there. Cause like a movie like that, it's all gotta be in the unseen.
[00:30:12] parts of the performance, like the facial expressions or the body language or the eyes. And there were some moments where I'm looking at like Bradley Cooper and I'm like, I totally buy him right now in this role. Then other moments where I was like, he feels like he's acting. So it was just like that.
[00:30:24] That's why, to me, he was the one link
[00:30:26] Kyle: on the tiny mini iPad. Now you need your reading glasses. [00:30:30] You want to borrow my glasses?
[00:30:31] Drew: Let's see if I can, uh, How does he see that tiny thing,
[00:30:33] Kyle: Phil? How is he doing it?
[00:30:34] Drew: Supporting cast! Is this steroids? For as good as it gets, Greg Kinnear, Cuba Gooding Jr., Skeet Ulrich, and yes, his name is Skeet.
[00:30:41] Shirley Knight, Yardley Smith, Lupe Ontiveros, and that's, as far as I'm concerned, all that matters from that movie.
[00:30:48] Kyle: And Lisa Edelstein from House.
[00:30:50] Drew: Oh, that's right! Versus, Robert De Niro, Jackie Weaver, Chris Tucker, Julia Stiles, Paul Herman. One of my
[00:30:58] Kyle: early movie crushes. Julia [00:31:00] Stiles. John Ortiz. 10 Things I Hate About You.
[00:31:02] I have no interest. Went to Oxford. Oh yeah. Educated. Kyle, let's go to you first. Tough. Go to you. Tough. What's tough about this is, in my research for this podcast, I'm an avid Dallas Cowboy fan so I usually would deplore all things Philadelphia Eagles like at a very deep level but I found it charming here and that's actually a credit to David O.
[00:31:18] Russell to make the Eagles charming to me. That is really. Don't you think? A miracle? Because you and I, when we watch Eagles game, it's like It did not
[00:31:24] Drew: make them charming to me, but, you know, to each their own.
[00:31:27] Kyle: Desean Jackson's the f*cking man. When you [00:31:30] do research, Philadelphia people said, said this is a Philadelphia movie.
[00:31:34] The setting, like how it looks, how the people act. The vibe, the Italian nature of it. People really felt like this was a true Philadelphia movie. There's something to be said. I mean, there is something interesting, like Rocky, like there are these random movies that take place in Philly that, that, that really take on the flavor.
[00:31:49] So I love that. And then you got Cuba Gooding Jr. Greg Kinnear. It's so crazy. Greg Kinnear could get kind of, kind of get lumped into supporting there because he's so prominent. But I'll tell you what, I am going to go Silver Linings. I [00:32:00] love Greg and Cuba Gooding Jr. But, uh, I just. I love that Philadelphia feel and I actually love this random Julia Stiles being a b*tch wife and I love how she plays cupping, like holding and possessing her husband's balls and like her husband's always escaping.
[00:32:15] He's like, dude, you gotta get me out of here. I just love that. I, and I, I think she's actually a very charming actress and, but she's, she's so over the top possessive of her husband here. I loved it. So I go silver lining.
[00:32:25] Drew: Yeah, I'll go Silver Linings as well. I think Jackie Weaver and De Niro play a really [00:32:30] believable, just kind of aging Philadelphia couple.
[00:32:33] I loved, is it Paul Herman plays his buddy, the Token Cowboys fan? I thought that relationship felt really genuine and like their whole gambling thing that they got going on. Yeah. It's just all very believable.
[00:32:43] Kyle: He was like Boomhauer from King of the Hill, except the Yankee.
[00:32:46] Drew: Yeah, I don't get the reference, but.
[00:32:48] Uh, I enjoyed that whole dynamic, as good as it gets. I liked him, I just didn't feel like it was as believable. Agreed, yeah. It was less rooted in reality. The supporting cast of Silver Linings anchored the story. Like [00:33:00] even when Kinnear got robbed, when Skeet Ulrich like blew in there and like beat him up and like took over.
[00:33:04] I just, I wasn't really buying all of that. Yeah. It just didn't feel right. God, and
[00:33:08] Kyle: they beat the sh*t out of him. They really beat the sh*t out of him, like they went to town. Yeah, it was a
[00:33:12] Drew: little heavy handed for like the genre that we were watching. It didn't feel right. It felt like lighthearted dramedy.
[00:33:18] Phil: They had to beat him bad enough that he had to ask for a ride or else the part
[00:33:22] Drew: falls apart. They're like, that's a weak plot. They're like, right. Well, they're going to, you
[00:33:25] Phil: know, punch him and then leave. And it's like, but if they punch him, dude, he can still drive a car.
[00:33:29] Drew: You're [00:33:30] not wrong. I bet they're like, we need them in to go on a trip.
[00:33:33] Why? How can we get them on a trip? That makes sense. All right. If
[00:33:35] Phil: we kick, he's going to ask his parents for money. So if we have him get his ass kicked and artists in New York don't have health
[00:33:41] Kyle: insurance, duh. Yeah. There are no maximums. This is pre Obamacare. I did want to say one more thing about supporting.
[00:33:46] This is a point I've been waiting to make. One thing I loved, and I feel bad because I know you weren't a fan, but one reason I love Silver Linings, one of the real messages is, we're all kind of crazy. You know? Was that the message? Yeah, it's one of them. It's definitely one of the messages. Like, I
[00:33:58] Phil: feel like they were definitely saying those [00:34:00] people were crazy.
[00:34:00] Kyle: Well, but the family, the family is representative of, I think, I think they're supposed to represent, like, the average American family. Like, the, like, middle of the line, like, trying to make it, trying to make your dreams come true, like, I feel like they represented that average, kind of, just, like, maybe between blue collar and next step up type of family.
[00:34:17] I love how De Niro, over time, you realize, oh my god, De Niro's crazy. And the brother is the, the worshipped hero who has it all together, but he's a And like, but he does it because he's got this strange competitive tic and the therapist. Yeah, like he's like really [00:34:30] adversarial But when they go to the eagles game, he's just as nuts as everyone else there I feel like one of the real messages that this support because of this supporting casting that they were able to deliver is that like We're all on some kind of crazy spectrum.
[00:34:41] Drew: Oh the therapist and silver linings were so He's the one that says Deshaun Jackson's a
[00:34:46] Kyle: f*cking man. That's his quote. Remember he's got his face painted. He goes to show Oh, no. No, it's when he tells them i'm gonna wear my Deshaun Jackson jersey to dinner and he goes Deshaun Jackson's a f*cking man
[00:34:56] Drew: How is that not your quote at the beginning of the episode you've said it three times I know i've picked [00:35:00] the wrong quote future fail help me
[00:35:02] Phil: go splice it back.
[00:35:03] Kyle: No, i'm, sorry I had I just had to get that point there. I think it's one of the most beautiful things about that movie It's just like we all have a level of crazy and it comes out in different ways in different contexts but normal is It's such a weird, the older I get, the more I think the word normal is just such a strange term.
[00:35:19] Phil: Well, yeah, it's an insane way to classify humans on any level because if you put anyone in the right situation, you will see their crazy come out. Like everybody has it somewhere, just some [00:35:30] people just, it's out there more than others. Some people they are so unstable that they can't operate functionally in society and then some people it's just situational, you know.
[00:35:37] Kyle: Alright, well, next category, it's as tight as it gets. Uh, what would you rather do? Would you rather go to breakfast with Melvin, or go to an Eagles game with Pat? I'll go first. I would rather go to the Eagles game. Really? I hate the Eagles, but my God, I cannot imagine spending 30 minutes of breakfast with Melvin.
[00:35:52] Drew: I will say, Pat seems way more easy to be around.
[00:35:55] Kyle: When he's in his good moments, Melvin doesn't have a lot. He's going from being super [00:36:00] demanding about breakfast, then being anti semitic to, like, it's just never stopped with him. Homophobic. And then he's like, and your son's gonna die too, it sounds like.
[00:36:07] It's like, when do you have a good moment? So at least, like, he just says what he
[00:36:11] Phil: sees and thinks. But I would rather eat
[00:36:14] Drew: breakfast than be caught dead at a f*cking Eagles
[00:36:16] Kyle: game. Eagles die! Eat Eagle Burger, baby! Caw! Uh, yeah, that's right. Go boys. Even though we're, we're definitely going to be the last in our division next year.
[00:36:25] Music: That
[00:36:26] Kyle: was a good KAH! Was that the best impression Phil's done? KAH! [00:36:30] These are good, uh, categories. It's weird I was able to fictionalize this and enjoy it in that way, but you? I'm surprised. Usually it's me who's, who uses sports as a, as an ultimate judgment. What have I always said? Everyone deserves equal rights in this country.
[00:36:43] Except Eagles fans. Well, a fight broke out
[00:36:46] Drew: at
[00:36:46] Kyle: the Eagles game.
[00:36:47] Drew: I mean, as tough as Melvin is, I'm gonna get my ass kicked. Phil's the
[00:36:51] Kyle: only one in here that can hold his own in that situation. You know what?
[00:36:53] Drew: Dammit, I'm gonna have breakfast. And I want Helen to wait on me. I want to see how good her hashbrowns are.[00:37:00]
[00:37:01] Yes, that's the quote of the,
[00:37:02] Kyle: that's the quote of the show. I love
[00:37:04] Drew: it. Phil.
[00:37:04] Phil: I go silver linings for supporting cast. Oh, did we skip you? Yeah, I didn't care though. It was like, uh, it would have won anyway. It doesn't know, you know, cow's opinion over here. And yeah, breakfast with Melvin. My dad, you know, is from the Philly area, so he's been a lifelong Eagles fan his whole life.
[00:37:21] He's a Philadelphia Italian, right? Yeah, he's a Philly Italian. Oh, yeah. Okay. And so, I always like was fine with the Eagles or whatever, but man, Philly sports are no joke. Yeah, I don't know that [00:37:30] I, that environment just doesn't appeal to me. I don't really like people to begin with. So, a bunch of people who are also obsessed with something they have no control over to the point where they're willing to be violent toward another person.
[00:37:40] I don't f*ck with that. And, and also like the idea of going to breakfast with Melvin Udall sounds like a really interesting proposition. I'd, I'd be all about that. If he called me and he's like, at least he's a good writer. Breakfast, I'd be like, yeah, why the f*ck not? Let's go. Okay. See what happens. I respect that.
[00:37:54] Something weird might go down.
[00:37:56] Kyle: Did, did your dad being a Philadelphia Italian, did that taint your view at all of this movie? [00:38:00] Because I, I forgot about that link.
[00:38:01] Phil: Tain. I mean, I wouldn't say taint. It gave me a good point of . You should say taint. . Yeah. I
[00:38:06] Kyle: taint.
[00:38:06] Phil: Yeah. Like I don't have a taint. My taint was very, taint was feeling very like airbrushed, stimulated air by this marinated Italian adelphian.
[00:38:14] Yeah. Very, just, very, uh, tain. . But. But, no, it really didn't, if anything, give me a point of reference because, like, the dynamics in the household and, like, the way those homes looked and everything, I was like, Ooh, this looks like every relative's house [00:38:30] of mine that I grew up going to. You go in there like, YOU WANT SOME SPAGHETTI?!
[00:38:35] Like right away, and you're like, Oh God, no, I just stayed at the last relative's house, you know.
[00:38:39] Kyle: Well, it's two to one, and this is about as bad as it gets, for, um, as good as it gets here. Who's likely I love this category, this is the first category I thought of. Who's more likely still together? Because we don't get marriage vows, we don't see rings, like, they're when they end, they're together, but, like, it's It's like early phase relationship.
[00:38:54] If we play these situations all the way out, which couple is more likely still together? Melvin and Carol or Pat and [00:39:00] Tiffany? Pat and Tiffany. How come? Melvin
[00:39:01] Drew: undoubtedly blows it. Yeah, he has to. Can you imagine living with that guy? No.
[00:39:05] Kyle: Especially when you open the thing and you see all the surgical soaps.
[00:39:08] Drew: Like, and then throw the kid? There's no way he doesn't make some joke about the kid being sick and then like But he didn't lock the door.
[00:39:14] Phil: At the end, he didn't lock the door.
[00:39:18] Kyle: It's true.
[00:39:19] Phil: But a lot of other things gotta happen.
[00:39:20] Kyle: He changes. At
[00:39:21] Phil: the end, he
[00:39:22] Kyle: just changes.
[00:39:22] Drew: But there's a lot of surgical soaps in there.
[00:39:24] That's a fair point. Yeah, I'm going SOP on that one. You go.
[00:39:27] Phil: I'm
[00:39:27] Kyle: still thinking on this one. I agree. Just even [00:39:30] hearing you say that, it just reminded me, like, it's not a flaw with the movie, but it's definitely like the flaw with the logic in the movie. Like, yeah, this is great. What a romantic, beautiful story.
[00:39:40] It's off putting. But this is this can't work ever unless they're both just actually that crazy. It'll work then, but you're right What if the kid moves into the Ikea has to move into the apartment? They're gonna he's not gonna move into that dirty little apartment. What is he gonna do? He has like the whole thing of 50 surgical soaps that he uses one time
[00:39:54] Drew: and then it doesn't Helen's mom live with them Yeah, so does she move in with him?
[00:39:58] And then like he's gonna make some [00:40:00] joke about her and like yeah Helen's out.
[00:40:02] Kyle: It just can't work. At least you had to bring the cow At least Tiffany and Pat have almost like, they're crazy in different ways, but it's, it's like an equal level of output.
[00:40:12] Phil: I don't think either of those relationships last, but.
[00:40:14] Which one's longer? I don't know. I'll say silver linings just because they're roughly the same age. Like there are far fewer factors there that would cause a wedge. There's, there's a lot working against that relationship and as good as it gets. Like a lot. Yeah. This was something that I was wondering [00:40:30] and I thought maybe, maybe I missed it.
[00:40:31] Do they ever explain to Helen Hunt's character that homeboy is. Or does she just assume he's a dick? Yeah, no, that's a good question. They never explained to her like, Hey, he has like, crippling OCD. A really good nitpick. Yeah. Cause the whole time I'm watching that movie, I'm like I don't think that
[00:40:46] Music: they do.
[00:40:47] Phil: She is There's not an ounce of sympathy. You just realize, like, you're either in with all of his weird quirks or you're not. But she gets like in and then like right when he says something weird She does the thing where she stands up and like starts to walk away and i'm like did no one in brief [00:41:00] her on this Honestly,
[00:41:00] Drew: even as a viewer I mean, I knew because we had paired this up and we talked about why these movies match up I knew going in there was some mental illness some ocd stuff going going on But I didn't I don't think I would have connected it super early.
[00:41:12] Like he's got some tics. He's a weird guy, whatever I don't know that I would have been like Oh, this is a movie about mental illness and someone finding love, struggling with OCD. And like, I actually had a hard time buying that she would ever be attracted to him in any way.
[00:41:25] Phil: Agreed, yeah.
[00:41:26] Drew: Not only because the OCD, I mean, that's a small part of it.
[00:41:28] He's just an asshole [00:41:30] and he's way older
[00:41:31] Kyle: and it's just very unbelievable. How much of a dick was that first guy she dated? That dude was not very amicable. All right, it is three to one. As good as it gets is seeing rain clouds. No silver linings on the perimeter here. Buh uh. Buh uh. Buh uh. Buh uh! Which city played a bigger role, New York or Philly?
[00:41:48] Such a Philly movie. I
[00:41:50] Drew: feel
[00:41:50] Kyle: like
[00:41:50] Drew: Both cities were nicely pronounced. I think,
[00:41:53] Phil: Melvin,
[00:41:54] Kyle: go ahead,
[00:41:54] Phil: you start. I think Philly and Silver Linings was more of a character than New York was. I mean, so [00:42:00] much of Silver Linings was based on Philly culture and the Italian vibe up there and like, it felt like Philadelphia, you know, the whole Eagles.
[00:42:07] Subplot I don't know that would have worked as well with another team because like that rabid maybe the Jets near psychotic fandom that Happens with the Eagles like there are other teams that have that but not on that rage filled level that Eagles fans have it You know,
[00:42:21] Drew: yeah, that's well said I'll go with that too.
[00:42:23] Well, I'll put it this way I think of silver linings as a Philly movie and I don't know that I As good as it gets. I don't think of it as a [00:42:30] New York movie.
[00:42:30] Kyle: The only, and I agree, and I think the Philly thing is so, we've talked about it so embedded here. I've listened to some stuff about this movie about, from people from Philadelphia, about how the skies, like the gray skies and the concrete, like a lot of people from there said this was a Philly movie through and through.
[00:42:45] The parts about New York I did like was the, I, although it is a little bit of a nitpick, um, the idea that Melvin has this severe OCD and chooses to live in one of the dirtiest cities. Most confined places on the planet. And he's skipping over cracks. It's a weird thing. No way he hasn't gone to Jersey yet.
[00:42:59] And [00:43:00] he's, I mean, he's a novelist. I guess that's where you want to live if you're like a famous novelist. But you know, it's, it's still very odd. But I do love that he's in New York. He's having to skip all these cracks. And then Verdell starts to skip the cracks. Like, I do love that. So, uh, man, it is a, uh, so, the playbook is working on as good as it gets here.
[00:43:15] It is 4 to 1. Here we go. There's not a chance, but we gotta wrap up these categories. Worst Oh, so Silver won. I know. We kinda, I kinda got out of hand there for a second. Okay, cool. Um, uh, let's see. Worst therapy patient, Melvin or Pat. If you were a therapist Yeah, Melvin would probably be harder. Um The worst wins here, by the way.
[00:43:29] Phil: [00:43:30] There was something about Silver. What did Bradley Cooper, what was his deal? Yeah, bipolar and manic depressive. How did I miss that? But he seemed like far more capable of rational thought than, uh, Udall was. Yeah, Melvin seems confined. I mean, Udall actually is pretty dead on with the rational thought. He just doesn't have a filter.
[00:43:46] It's all rational. Like, everything he says is like, well, that's observable and there's some truth there, but like Except
[00:43:51] Drew: for the not stepping on tiles.
[00:43:52] Kyle: Yeah, that's ridiculous. Everything he says is confined by this disorder. Like, he cannot Yeah, he can't get out of it. Say something that doesn't align with it.
[00:43:59] He's [00:44:00] not
[00:44:00] Phil: capable of operating normally, I think, is the Or within, you know, within the constructs of society.
[00:44:05] Kyle: Alright, that one goes as good as it gets. So it's 4 2, doesn't matter, last one. This was a Phil category and I cannot wait to do this one. Best pet. Verdell or Julia Stiles character, her The wife.
[00:44:15] Her husband, Ronnie. Oh boy. In case you haven't watched the movie in a while, can't remember Julia Stiles name, but the husband is Ronnie and he is completely owned, like she keeps upgrading the house and he's talking about how he can't afford to keep doing it.
[00:44:27] Drew: That's a funny part of that movie. It is.
[00:44:29] Like he [00:44:30] secretly is like, I can't do this man. Well, if we're talking about the most obedient pet, it is Ronnie.
[00:44:35] Phil: Oh yeah, Verdel like, doesn't do what he's told, he goes to the wrong homeboy's got bacon in his pants and he's still going to the other guy, like, he's just out to break hearts and piss people off.
[00:44:45] Ronnie, for sure.
[00:44:45] Kyle: Yeah, I go Ronnie. I'm a big dog guy. And Ronnie's a big dog.
[00:44:49] Drew: It's like, where are you going
[00:44:50] Kyle: with this? No, no, I am a big dog guy and when I see little tiny dogs like that, like, just taking that much screen time. By the way, SideRando, they use Siri. seven different dogs to play Verdel. Really?
[00:44:59] Yeah. So [00:45:00] they had seven different dogs that did seven different things. Kind of like
[00:45:02] Phil: the Olsen twins. Yeah, I guess. That
[00:45:04] Kyle: looked
[00:45:04] Phil: like that.
[00:45:04] Kyle: That looked like that. Kind of an annoying dog. Also, not very helpful when they're beating the sh*t out of him, you know, he's just scared. If you had a bigger dog, maybe the Rottweiler or something could do something, but because he had the tiniest little dog on the planet, Mr.
[00:45:17] Johnny Depp rip off, um, the guy that beats the sh*t out of him. It looks exactly. Oh yeah. You're right. He is. He was. He looks like discount Johnny Depp. He totally does. Like if Johnny, if you spilled milk on a picture of [00:45:30] Johnny Depp, that's what it would look like. Discount Depp. He's
[00:45:33] Drew: diet
[00:45:33] Kyle: Depp. Yeah, who'd you go?
[00:45:36] Your last one.
[00:45:37] Phil: I guess if you're gonna, like, be a person who's all about that control vibe, then, you know, the husband was a pretty good pet. He just did, did what he wanted. Anytime he had something sideways to say, he like, said it under his breath or pulled someone off to the side. He was a little b*tch, you know.
[00:45:50] Verdell was a little b*tch too, but. But he's also a dog, so that's his job, is to be either really obedient or a little piece of sh*t. Whereas this man, you know, which one of them got [00:46:00] neutered? Seemed like the dude did. Ferdel still had his f*cking balls, he did what he wanted. This man? Yeah. No balls. So who do we go with?
[00:46:06] Better pet? Dude, I mean, nobody wants a pet with the balls, so the guy. Even though it was a very exaggerated version. I just did not
[00:46:13] Drew: follow that. I was just going through it, I'm like, This guy, he's got balls, just what the f*ck?
[00:46:18] Kyle: Even though this was obviously a very disrespectful and exaggerated version, every man can relate to like your bro's wife running through the upgrades and the house stuff, and maybe it's just me.
[00:46:29] I just don't give a sh*t [00:46:30] about that. So whenever someone's like, oh,
[00:46:31] Drew: is that new wallpaper? I'm like, I don't give a sh*t. I don't know. We've redecorated our entire house in the past. Like Kyle walks in, it doesn't notice. Whereas if we move a lamp. Phil will be like, yeah, you moved that I just that was six inches over last
[00:46:44] Kyle: year.
[00:46:44] I just do not care about that stuff. Like I do not care So I would be an awful. I would be an awful husband in that situation, but it's five to two damn silver linings But the it's the scorecard's wonky man. It has nothing to do two great films Thank you came in and just [00:47:00] beat the f*ck now. I kind of wish I wish I had a category for skeet man for the discount.
[00:47:04] Johnny Depp. That's funny
[00:47:06] Phil: from the window
[00:47:06] Kyle: to the walls, dude It's Skeet. Yeah. Motherf*cker. Let talk about a name. That's a name. All right. Uh, anyway, thank you for hanging out. It feels good to do this again. Uh, check out our minis. We've got some new minis coming out, uh, that we've been doing. And
[00:47:18] Drew: can we knock on them?
[00:47:19] Minis.
[00:47:20] Kyle: Minis. Shorts. Shorts. Shorts. We got new shorts coming out that we, nine inches minis right above the knee. Yeah. This discount movie or no? No. Get
[00:47:29] Drew: any, uh, any minis [00:47:30] on Cooper Mini Cooper. Mini Coopers? Yeah.
[00:47:32] Kyle: Yeah. Yes. Amazing. But anyway. The Italian y'all go make sure your cars are locked. Make sure the lights are off.
[00:47:39] This is Kyle.
[00:47:39] Phil: Yes, it's true. Lock those doors. Phil's waiting for you outside. From window to the
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