Anney Reese on Alien

I think it was. It might have been what we Do in the Shadows, but I think it's Captain America. Yeah, Oh it was thora n u h did we do? Yes? Did? Of course? How could you forget my thoughts, my brilliant thoughts on that They were so brilliant they blew my mind and then I just didn't even think anymore about it. Yeah, I think that was the last one. That was a long time ago. Any I know, I know how you doing.

I'm good. I'm at the usual. I don't know why every time we record these, I'm at a weird intersection of very hyper and very tired, which I guess is great, But I said today, I am fully vaccinated. So that's exciting. Oh nice, So two weeks out or just got your shot two weeks out? So today, when did you get? I got Maderna? You're like, I got to Johnson and Johnson's. I just wanted a double up. I got Maderna too. Mad. Yes, I don't know. Most people I know got fights there,

so yeah, yeah, same, who knows. All I know is it is. Brought me a lot of peace of mind. Recorded yesterday with Josh and Jerry in person was really great. We're all three in a room together and boy, it was nice. I gotta tell you that is something else. Yeah, I'm going to the office today and I actually have something for you that I'm going to drop off at your desk, all right, because I'm gonna be there tomorrow. So that's exciting. Yes, yes, don't tell me, no, no way,

I don't. I don't know, like it's bed bugs. Yes, that's definitely something I would do. Well, it's great to see you, Great to have you back. Um, we were talking about what movie to do. You threw out Alien among a couple of others, and it's like, what am I saving Alien for? If not? Annie let's just let's do it. I did Aliens already. Oh okay, well you're in for a wild ride. I'm going to tell you that. All right. Well, I'll go ahead and just start real

quick by giving you my rundown of my history here. Uh, this is a movie I remember from when I was when it came out, believe it or not, when I was eight years old. Uh, it seemed like the scariest movie ever made for an eight year old kid. When you're looking at that poster and that tagline one of the all time greats. And I was not allowed to watch it. I read the Mad Magazine spoof, and weirdly, I remember all of that so vividly, but I don't remember the first time I saw it really, which yeah,

which kind of speaks to a kid's imagination. I don't remember the first time I saw it, but I just know it's always been a movie I've gone back to again and again, and then watching the anniversary four K edition last night, it's it's saying it holds up is is a cliche. It's it's just as great as ever. I can't believe this movie was made ninety nine. Every time I look at it and it's just it's one of the great all time films. Absolutely, um on over

on stuff. I've never told you. You have a segment called feminist Movie Friday, and the for the movie that I was like, we have to do this segment was this one. It just years I've been like, we have to talk about alien and I when the four Anniversity, which is twenty nineteen, happened, I got to go see it in theaters and it was awesome. It was so fantastic. And I actually have a really funny story about this

movie because I vividly remember the first time I saw it. Um, my older brother and I had a really adversarial relationship growing up. How much older. He's four years older than me, So this was I was nine years old and around the time it was the rosal alien autopsy thing happened and he showed it to me and it freaks me out.

Check it really freaks me out. And being an older brother, he played this very epic, well done but terrible prank where he basically convinced me that our parents had been objected by aliens, that they were coming from me and like they were special effects. There were lights. I hid in my closet all night. Um, while you're in your closet again, it's a whole coupled circle. Um. But because of the success of his prank, I was terrified Aliens so scared. I couldn't watch e T I couldn't watch

Independence Day like I had a legitimate if. I remember once in class in high school, one of their teachers showed I think it was Independent Day. I had to leave. I couldn't watch it. So was that your big that was that your boogeyman? Yes and so, and you know I love horror movies and it was like this thing that was just bothering me that I was missing this whole genre, this whole section of horror movies. And so I told my best friend, I'm like, this is my

Mount Everest. I have got to get over it. And I was in college and we watched Alien and I cried. I cried and I was like hugging her, and but I got over the I did get over the fear, and now it's one of my favorite movies. Oh wow, Well there's something to be said for um what's it called exposure therapy? Yeah? Yeah, I watched that and Aliens and Event Horizon all on the same day, so I event Horizon was pretty good. I remember I haven't seen it in a while, but that that was pretty creepy.

It's messed up, it's messed up. But yeah. My deal with Aliens is I like it a lot, but I really like seeing. I really like Alien a lot more like a lot more. I like seeing. It's much more rewarding to see the journey for Ripley in this movie. I love seeing badass Ripley all ready to go and Aliens, but seeing the transformation or in her character arc. Uh, it's just it's everything, you know. Yeah, I think they're

just two very different. I feel like Aliens is much more an action movie, which is still fun and great, but this one is like, I mean, immediately with the credit sequence of how the letters come in and the kind of driving beat of the music, you're like, oh, I'm unsettled. Yeah, I mean I know that it's there's you know, it's a sci fi horror film. But even having seen it so many times last night, it hit me of how much of a horror film this is.

Like this, if this were a cabin in the woods and literally you could just do everything you do and then make it a monster in the woods with the same people who maybe they're working in a coal mine or something, and they're they're having dinner at their table in the cabin, like, and they get picked off one by one and there's cat. There's a cat that's sucking

things up. I mean, it's a straight up horror movie, absolutely, and it's It's funny because I managed to miss that big Twitter kerfuffle about that article that said there's no horror movies in space and people were like alien who said that. I don't remember, I missed it, but I saw like all of the fallout of people saying, here's multiple examples. Um, then Horizon was kind of a horror movie. Absolutely, it's horrible. We don't need eyes to see. That's I

don't remember that, but I don't like that line. Sam Neil, Yeah, he was great. Perfect. Um. It was zenomrph Alien Day a couple of days ago, so this is sort of timely, you know. I saw that somewhere today when I was poking around the internet about this movie. What was no? No, Maybe Nold told me, but what was um was there a reference to this date, like in The Terminator or something? Oh, I have no idea or did they just pick I mean, truly, it wasn't out of thin air right now, I it

can't be out of thin air. I think it's the actually, you know what it is. It's the ship. The ship that they find is four to six. Okay, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah, I'm all about the nerds claiming a day for their own. You know. In the process of being on this show, took, I've made a lot of lists. Here's my favorite horror movies, here's my favorite whatever, whatever. And I did notice like a lot of my favorite movies come from this time period,

which I think is really interesting. But my dad is probably the reason I love movies, and this was like his youth and heyday. And he told me the story of taking my mom on a date to see Alien and he said it just scared the hell out of them. They couldn't even look at the poster and people, according to him, people were like screaming and somebody threw up.

It's really well, I mean it's it's it's hard for the youth today, Annie, which I will still include you, uh to to understand that there was nothing like this at the time, Like there was close encounters of the third kind, and those were sort of lovable aliens in a way. Um, there was the day the Earth did still there were laser beams shooting. You know, we're the world's type aliens. But there hadn't been like once hr Geeger got on the scene and created this truly terrifying, remorseless,

empathy less beast. Uh, No one knew what the funk was how to take this it was. It was truly horrifying, and like just rewrote movies and this kind of movie at least. Yeah, And I think it's really interesting because there's a lot of things that were happening when this came out and before it came out that really influenced it.

And you know, some of the creators, like Dan Obannon in specific, said like I want this to be because Star Wars had come out and it was really successful, Like take that, make that scary, make it like Jaws

and Space, make it Texas Chainsaw massacre in Space. And also at the time, which I'm going to get into this, and I think some people are like, wow, I never looked at this movie the same again, but there are things like um Row v. Wade, and you have second wave feminism and you had a lot of fears around like environmental things and chemicals and pesticides and foods, and then you had this fear around like capitalism and uh not putting employer employees first and like just not valuing them.

So all of these things to talk about the bonus, I love that. I love that. That's one of the things that does feel very kind of Star Wars to me, where they're the ship is kind of dirty. They're just like people were doing their job and they just want their bonus, and then these forces are conspiring against them and not valuing them at all, and perfect organism. Almost all of you are dead. Well. I mean it is important to remember when you see this movie to remind

yourself that these aren't soldiers. These are blue collar workers of the time. Uh, on these operations where they're going to these far off places and they're they're mining for I mean, I know the serious alienards are gonna be mad because I don't know exactly what they were doing, but they were reminding for valuable things to bring back. And uh, that's why that bonusing is kind of funny, because you're right, it's like they're there to do a job and they just want to get home. They don't

want to go check out that beacon at all. Um r I p offet Coto, by the way, who just recently passed. It was it was kind of sad seeing here he and Harry Dean Stanton some of those two shots because they both left us now and I thought, and I was like, oh, and Tom Scarrett and Tom Scaretts alive. That's the great news. He's eighties, seven years old,

he's still going. I was like, oh, that's great. Because Tom Scarett is so emblematic of that time period, is like this sort of he wasn't a huge movie star, and I don't think he really top lined movies, is like the big leading man, but he was super handsome and just this rugged sort of seventies guy. Yeah, my dad kind of looks like him actually when he was during that period. Yeah. Um that's the scariest part to me because when Dallas is in the like vance and

he has a flamethrower and it's like coming, oh my god. Yeah, Well, because you've got he employees. Really, Scott employed so many great little tricks to ratchet up the tension, Like this

movie is a masterclass on tension building. In a film and and slow burn kind of filmmaking, and he uses little things like that that yes, and you just hear that sound and like I just got a little chill right now, and and and seeing that little you know, nineteen seven these era spent winning a special effect just look like a pong game, you know, just getting closer. It doesn't need to be fancy and and look like

some you know, amazing c g I creation. That's just it's a good lesson, I think, is you just need a green dot getting closer to the other green dot at a rapid rate, and and it starts going faster and faster and you're you're terrified. Yeah, And I think that was something really smart that they did, and in general, I think is the best course of action in horror movies. As they knew, like if we show this alien and it's full form too long, people are gonna be like,

that's a man in a suit. So you really, I think it's less than two minutes. You see the full creature in the whole film, So it's just like the Jaws effect. Yeah, exactly, exactly, And it works so well like your imagination if you're if you've done the job as creators, you're imagining the imagination of the audience is going to do a lot of that work for you, Like, yeah, and I think it's I mean, that kind of restraint is so valuable to a filmmaker and I think that's Um.

I don't know about loss, but it doesn't get used as much as it should these days. But um, it's the very very end when it's blasted off from the rear of the ship is kind of the final reveal of what that whole body looks like. And I remember seeing it and going it has arms and legs, Like, I guess you knew I had arms because that great shot where it reaches out for for Tom Scarrett, But I don't. I don't think I even thought about it having big, long, gangly legs until I saw it outside

the ship. Yeah, it feels much more because so many of the shots are kind of unfurling, Yeah, and so almost reptilian maybe or like you're not picturing that part you're so horrified. Yeah, just this unfurling effect that it's never even at least for me, it didn't really occur to me. Guess legs, Yeah, Yeah. The great Veronica Cartwright as Lambert Um, I do one impression of her, and that is this oh god, oh god, yeah, that's my Lambert. She was so good though, Uh, I just I mean,

the cast in this movie is unbelievable. John Hurt uh, like I said, yeah at Koto of course, of Courney Weaver, uh, the great Ian Home, who was just like, I mean, I forget, I forgot about that end scene where he's totally skitzing out, throwing himself against the wall in like full android robot freak out mode, and I'm like, that's Ian Home doing that. Yeah. Every time I watched this movie, which is at least once a year, I'd say, yeah, I get he makes me so angry, Like I I

still I'm like, oh, I don't like this guy. Like, yeah, it was brilliant casting. And the reveal of him as uh so late in the movie is and I mean, is he an android or a rope? I trusting my robot,

but um Parker does. But it's so well played, uh to just hang on to that for so long, And of course once you've seen it a bunch of times, you see a couple of little hints along the way, like Dallas says early on, which I don't think I ever even known he sees something about something this man and uh Ian home kind of gives him a little look, and I don't think I ever noticed that until last night. I was like, oh, there's a nice little easter egg.

There are a bunch of little things if you're paying attention, Like I think he never eats like you've never see him eat like. He sits on the like milk thing. But rather than that, you mean his his future sweat ross. Yeah, it was really nasty because it wasn't even full milk.

It was watery milk. Yeah, it's like step below that scene I posted the god that seems so brutal when when Parker knocks his literally knocks his head off and uh then then uh Ripley you know, sets him up on the table with his head separated from his body. And I just had to send that picture out on my movie screen to the movie crushers. I was like, look what I'm watching for Annie, and they everybody, everyone was really excited that you were the one for this movie.

Wait till I get into my quotes. Let's hear one. Okay, um so from Tom's shown at Slate. Okay, okay, Alien has issues. It has mommy issues and sex issues. It has a thing for strong women, who it also likes to oggle in their undies. It's a hot mess, a Freudian fever dream with its crabby and post coital atmosphere. It's rebirthing imagery. It's queasily gynecological production design. It's a

night sweat of male anxiety. A particularly horrid fun confusion of the sexual gynecologial within the gastro intestinal and the famous John Hurt burst scene in which a razor tooth phallic monster not its way through his stomach into the light, a kind of science fiction foul stintadis Oh god, you know and true, uh Lambert Veronica Cartwright. She didn't know, like the actors didn't know during that scene. It's gonna be like the explosion. I heard that that's brilliant to

do as a filmmaker. But yeah, that's really interesting. I mean, it certainly did occur to me last night. Like Mother is the computer, the alien itself obviously is is a big mama who just only wants to you know, have babies and kill people. Um, so yeah, they're definitely there's a lot more going on below the surface. And it's a movie that you can I love that this is a movie you can pick apart like that. And and who knows what Ridley Scott and the writers intended, but

who cares. Really, it's like it's a movie that you can interpret in a variety of ways. Well, I do know, um, Danna Vanna, who is putting the writers. There's a lot of like conflicting kind of controversy around the writing of this movie. Right, and he got credit, but Dana Bannon is largely the one that gets the credit. Um. And he said, he's quoted saying one thing that people are all disturbed about his sex. I said, that's how I'm going to attack the audience. I'm going to attack them sexually.

And I'm not going to go after the women in the audience. I'm going to attack the men. I'm going to put in every image I can think of to make the men and the audience cross their legs. Homosexual, oral, rape, birth, the thing lays its eggs down your throat, the whole number. Oh wow, I've got so many quotes, Chuck. So he that was very much intentional, then that's pretty Yes, absolutely

it was intentional. Although there is the one scene with UM with the aliens tail kind of creeping up cartwrights legs, right, yes, and that's a big It's never been confirmed what happened in that. But she's not wearing when you see her again, and her body is hanging, she's not wearing pants. And I have played the game Alien Isolation, which is I think it's Ripley's daughter goes back and investigates the ship UM, and it's implied that she was raped in that. Really, Yeah,

I'm telling you so much to unpack. There's a lot to unpack um non thematically speaking, just the look of the film, obvious sandwich and hr Geeger who and I don't know if it's still there. He had a bar in in Europe somewhere that was styled out like this, and a friend of mine went and I don't know if it's still there. This is many, many years ago, and I remember him telling me all about the Geeger

bar and how amazing it was. But you know, you always sort of remember the dank darkness of the guts of the ship, but uh, so much of the other stuff is so cool looking, the striking eight of the quarters in the in the control room and stuff like that I think it's um. I didn't remember that stuff looking so kind of sharp, and that maybe that four K just it popped really really good. UM. But the whole design of the movie is it's just legendary. It

still looks amazing absolutely UM. And there's some some things I love about. When they were coming up with this idea because he um Geeger was inspired by this German artist who did something um. It was kind of based on the Furies of the Greek Furies called Francis Bacon. If you could, you can look it up and you can see like, oh yeah, I see the inspiration. Um. But then that from that, he did a collection of pieces called Necromonica in and that's how he came on

the radar of Dan O'Bannon and Ridley Scott. But he he was going for something sexual and creepy, and some of his designs were so overtly sexual. The studio was like nope, nope, which blows with mind because they're so sexual. And US Customs held Geeger after seeing his artwork for Alien and they were highly disturbed by it. And I

think Ridley Scott had to go help him out. And then like the first version of the egg just had one slit in it for the opening, and Redley Scott laughed out he saw it because he's like, that looks like too much, Like can we can we have it open at four corners please? I mean, that's one of the great shots of the movie, you know, is that

that slow peel away of that egg. And especially you know, it's hard to kind of go back and remember when you didn't know what was coming, even though it's still I mean, I was like biting my nails last night.

I know everything that happens in this movie, and it's still tends to me, but um, it is hard to go back and sort of remember the beauty of the first time you see this movie and not know what's going to happen, and just how funked up the chest burster in that thing on its face, on his face, uh in the acid blood, Like there were so many little brilliant moves just giving it acid blood. I was like,

all right, well, now, what are you gonna do? Going to destroy your ship by like cutting this thing up? It was genius And that's why they did it, is they were like, well, what's a way we can make it logical, make it makes sense? That you wouldn't just shoot it or have these other things. Um, yeah, imagine that's what the everyone said it first is well why don't they just kill it? It's like, well it has

acid blood. That does feel kind of like when you say it that way, it feels kind of childish, like like a kid said. Uh, like a kid just literally made it up. That's something Ruby would say, because I have acid blood. Dad just got me. Another thing I thought was really cool was how and I never really noticed was how. I mean, the whole movie is a slow burn, but how slowly he brings Ripley along, and how that whole first act really I think she has

less screen time than anyone and barely any dialogue. Yeah, you would not know she is the main character for I think the first third. Yeah, and then even after that, there's like a transition period where you're not sure. Um, which that is another thing again hard to like recapture, especially for me because I saw it so late, but I didn't know, like Sigourney Weaver, Ripley the main character, so it's hard for me to kind of imagine that.

But the first time I saw it, I was like, wait, wait, I thought she was the one that does all the stuff, but I was kind of confused. Yeah, I mean, let's talk about her arc. You know, she it is a slow transformation, I think. I think it happens in stages, almost like losing Dallas was was the one of the real big transitions for her. I think. Yeah. And I know I've talked about Final Girls I want to hear before,

but she's one of the original Final Girls. So I think it's interesting, um that she starts and she's she's just like everybody else, is this blue collar sort of worker in the background, but she is kind of the one voicing concerns or confronting Ash the android. UM, and she's the one that's like, no, we need to quarantine, this is how we do this is these are the rules. I'm in charge. And she's ignored. UM. And she never

I couldn't you know, it's weird. I couldn't remember last night when she was saying, even to Dallas, her boss, like no, this isn't I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I was like, wait a minute, does she give in? And I forgot she she never does. It's Ash. Yeah, yeah, that guy gets me. I know. Never trusted in android, never trust well you know what makes me really sad about aliens? And then you're like, oh,

trusted trusted android. And then in the third one it's like, actually he was a trader, Like okay, right, yeah, I guess the old lesson has tossed out the airlock. But yeah, but by the end, of course, Ripley is I mean, when it's down to the final three, I mean, she's fully in charge. I don't know how if there was rank because they weren't army or anything like that, or if she just just stepped up, but she has that

plan together. Yeah, there's definitely rank involved. But I also feel like she even if there hadn't been at that point, she was the one that had the plan. Here's how we're gonna do it, um And I love this. Really could have gone the other way and not worked, but I love the whole sequence where she sees the alien, goes back and tries to cancel the self distrust. Yeah, like she's thinking on her feet, she's trying to find a way to survive and kind of reversing these plans,

and then mother of course foils mother. And it's just Ripley more than any she's almost terminator like, and that she never ever ever gives up. Yeah, like I keep even after I've seen this movie a hundred times, I kept waiting for her to just be like fuck it, like I'm gonna off myself or just succumb to this thing.

And she just won't do it, and and and without any like, it doesn't even you know that, it doesn't set up some schmaltzy reason why like this husband I have to get back to, or any dumb trope that you might usually see. It's just this will and strength. It's pretty amazing and certainly was not a thing in movies. In n right and famously, um that role Ripley was originally meant for a man, but then they decided let's

make it that. Yeah, it was meant for a man, and then they decided let's make it gender new like anybody can audition. Um, and they were really impressed with the Corney Weaver. But I think and the dialogue was written for a man, which I think is really interesting because they didn't change any I mean, they probably changed some things, but not really so. Um So, when she says fuck you to uh Harry Dean Stanton and Parker yeah,

I mean that that totally makes sense now mm hmm. Yeah. So, and I think that totally it worked, and I I personally believe that that is a good way to write a character where pretty much, you know, any gender could play them. Um, especially in this sense for something like this. I because there's no part of me through it, through it that was like, h this doesn't work, or like a woman can't do this. I just doesn't like it. Just so Yeah, Yeah, there's nothing unconvincing about anything Ripley does.

It's so grounded for such a you know, crazy sci fi horror movie, it's still so grounded. Nothing that happens in this movie doesn't feel unrealistic or something she couldn't have really done because you know, it's not like a bunch of hand to hand combat or any weird like fight scenes. It's all just super grounded. Yeah. Um, And

I think this character had a lasting legacy. And I read essays about how she um like toughened up future heroins and that whole scene where very disturbing scene where Ash tries to kill her and it's very like oral rape evocative. He's trying to shove the magazine down with her if you look behind her, there's all this like pornographic imagery. Yeah. Um, and I feel like, was this toxic masculinity Like he's pretty much spewing sperm at the end. Yeah,

it's just like this frustration of women. I even read essays that said, like women are turning down giving birth and people men were mad about it. And so like having that scene of like this toxic basically toxic masculinity walking trying to do that to her and then definitely a weird way to kill someone. Uh you know, let me roll up a magazine and jam it in her mouth. I don't even know what that would do with that just keep her from breathing. Was that was he choking her? Yeah?

I think so. And I imagine he's got like android strength, so throwing her around. Ye. Yeah, and you're bringing the goods I didn't. Oh, I got so much, so many thoughts. It's also obvious so now that you pointed out, yeah, yeah yeah. And also a lot of people, a lot of critics have written about how this is again end with grow Vywaid and second way feminism. It was like a fear that men were having around like this male pregnancy. What if I had to take care of children, but

what would I do? And just what if I basically the pregnancy being like, oh my gosh, I might have to actually take care of a child. And then like the whole idea of the face hugger where it's inserting it's embryo gives your will and you can't take it off unless you'll die, And it's that whole idea of like you have to carry the child unless there's you know, even if he'll kill you. Um at the health of the mother, all of these things chuck. Uh yeah, I mean I'm never going to look at this movie the

same way again. So last night I almost texted you, but I was like, I don't think this is a work appropriate text. But I was like, please look for the sexual image. Please look for the sexual imagery in this movie. You cannot and see it. Uh yeah, that's work appropriate. I mean, this is what we do on

this show. You know. Maybe I'll just wait. Well, it was very funny you talk about ten minutes after I started, just for the listeners, Anti texted me and said, well, I guess I have to watch Alien again for research for the conzillion time. I was happy to see it again, um, and it is a movie. I do come back to one of the striking visual images for me is and it was such a smart way to light the scene.

But um, where those space suits with the with the light on top kind of cast the flashlight on top of the bubble helmet, kind of casting down on their faces. And it's not a great like if if you think about it realistically, it's probably not a great system to have all that light in your face, but it sure looks good on a movie screen, especially those long shots where you just see these sort of three orbs kind of moving around in that dank darkness headed towards the

space jockey. The space jockey. Yeah, um, that whole that whole sequence looks amazing, Like the fog, the dark, like

sharp corners of everything. It looks so good. Yeah, And not to keep hammering this home, but Veronica, she said it was basically that scene was like we were walking around penises and vaginas and it's meant to resemble like a womb like spaces the womb, and then that is a womb and they're like the colonists entering like it looks like a vulva, so they enter there like the sperm and then you know, poor John hurt falls down into this guy like yeah, yeah that you can almost

feel like the atmosphere of it of being warm and sticky, and then the egg comes for him. I know, I mean it's I mean, it's all certainly there. I don't think I don't think any of this is reading anything into it. That wasn't you know, the sandbox that they were playing in. And I think that's the stuff that does make it sort of subconsciously more unsettling, you know

than just your sort of standard or sci fi film. Right. Uh. In my line of work sometimes I think maybe you're reading too much into this, um, But for this movie, I definitely have the quotes to back up that I am not. Well, I mean, I think that's kind of

a bunch of bullshit anyway. Like I think reading too much into something is it just another way of saying, thinking really deeply about another perspective about something, and you know, maybe it goes nowhere sometimes, but that doesn't mean that's not doesn't have value. Yeah, especially if it's resonating for you and there's got to be some reason that you were because I mean, that's one of the beauties of entertainment in general, as you're bringing yourself to it and

interacting with it in that way. Yeah, and you can also hear some asshole just saying, oh, you're reading too much into it. Just look at the surface. It's just a very Fallculey shaped alien with a Falliculey shaved tongue. I don't know what your problem is. It's all over the place. Also, they are used k y jelly for that like effect. And the skin was made of condoms. Oh was it really? When he picked up the skin, yeah, yeah, it did look very condom like. Actually, man, it's all

over the place. It is. Uh, here's the quote. I just love this and and it's such a great sort of minimalist script. But when they finally get to the space jockey and Dallas is reporting back, and I's just like, I see this. It's so simple but so effective writing. He says, alien life form looks like it's been dead a long time, fossilized, looks like it's growing out of it out of the chair. Bones are bent outward like

he exploded from inside. Yeah. I mean there's not much their word count wise, but boy, is that like sort of hair raising stuff, you know, absolutely absolutely. I mean immediately right there, the back of the hairs in the back of your neck prickly because like it looks like something burst from inside his chest. And then it kind of cuts sort of quickly, like Dallas is still a little worried, and they're like, no, let's keep going, and

you're like, maybe maybe you don't keep going. Yeah, And the space jockey is also uh and and that's what some people call them. If you're listening and you've seen the movie and you're like, who the fund is the

space jockey also known as the pilot. I think it's it's the huge uh, former pilot of this ship that's still you know, part of this chair now, and it's it's one of those things where like I had to actually look up online and I never thought to do it because you can never really tell what's going on there, and people have broken it down online and said like, well, this is chair, this is the thing, this part is chair, this part is his pilot, and kind of helped a

little bit because I was like, what is this some kind of weird elephant. And then they've also I'm sure you've seen this, but they rendered what it may have looked like as well, because I was googling last night. Was the space jockey human? Uh? And the space jockey was not human? Ah, so you haven't seen Prometheus? Oh shit, you know what. I saw Prometheus and I was probably super high in the movie and like I got a bunch of great eye candy. But that movie, I must admit,

did fly over my head. And the and the whole alien um cannon. I don't know it inside it out, So school me, what what is Did they reveal who the space jockey is? Yeah? Well was it? Is it the big white thing? Yeah? The bald white guy? Pretty sure? I mean to be fair, this is coming from a nerd. Uh,

like super nerd. It's confusing, like the whole Yeah, And like I love how people have even broken down like the life cycle of a zeno morph because it's kind of weird, right, Like you have the queen that gives birth to the egg, and then that gives the face hugger on the face, and then that and plants an egg and you and then zeno morph comes out and

it grows within like a day fast. Um, and then I don't know if you saw this, but there was there were deleted scenes in this movie that were determined to be too disturbing, where Ripley finds Dallas and he's still alive and he's like cocoons, which is what they do. Yeah, so there's been that part of the life cycle to It's confusing, is what I'm saying it is. And and I honestly I'd have to go back and watch Prometheus again because I don't remember how that all worked together.

Oh it's weird. I mean, it's like I'm unless I'm remembering it incorrectly because it's been a long time since I've seen that one. But like the Big White New at the beginning, we're we're the space Jockey race and then they were used to create the Zeno more from that's sort of okay. Their bodies were used for that purpose, and they have that whole movie is like a search for God, so they were doing it for God, their God.

That's where you lose me. I'm sorry. This movie also has one of the great again in classic horror film um fashion, the faithful mistake, like the one thing and their faithful mistake Annie, as you know, is having that goddamn last meal. What would have happened if they would have gone into cryo freeze. I mean that's as Aliens in there. Would it have burst through or would it have killed it? Like I kind of went down the

alternate timeline of what would have happened. Then they kind of explored that in Aliens an Alien three and that was sort of their goal was to get it like it's safely back within the body of someone else so

they could three. Uh yeah, that's how it starts, I believe. Um. Anyway, Yeah, they were going to use the body of I mean it was an Aliens too, because that that do she eighties avail in like every eighties deal and is that guy was gonna get the implant Ripley Ripley and um Newt with the embryo and then freeze them and then get them back so they could get past the weapons quarantine thing. I'm glad you're here to say this because people yelling at me like choke you just you saw Aliens.

Have you seen this franchise. It's just it's a franchise that have seen all of the stuff, except I didn't see any of the Alien Predator movies. Are they good? No, but they're fun. But I never dived into trying to get the full understanding, like aside, I mean I saw aliens quite a few times, but aside from Alien, um, I didn't see most of them a lot. Yeah. Well, the thing I really, I'm in the same boat. I've

seen alien and aliens a lot. Um. I will say that even ones that I don't necessarily like, I think most of them have some really interesting things that they tried and messaging. Um, but that I've never really considered that idea chuck of like what would have happened if they had gone to cryo? Um? Well, your movies over. I know your movie is over unless you want to

get into like a really boring right. But I mean that that is one thing that I think horror movies for me at least, is that thought experiment aspect of Well, honestly, they if they had listened to Ripley, maybe this whole thing could have been avoided. But they didn't. So now as an audience, you have to decide of like, well, is it worth all of them dying just so this creature doesn't get back to Earth? Um? Yeah, I mean that's the first faithful mistake actually before the meal is

they didn't listen to Ripley. Yep, that's the first one. There were a couple of them. They have a lot of mistakes, and a lot of mistakes were made, a lot of errors in judgment. Yes, yes, uh, let's talk about the the Brett Harry Dean Stanton goes for Jones scene, and again a masterclass intention building and and faults, not red herrings, but whatever you call it. Where you and there's like two or three shots where you're like, this is where he's going to get it and it's not.

I for me um because again I saw this pretty late. Uh, and I of course was aware of the chest Burster scene. I've seen Spaceballs, Like I knew what was going to happen. It's still really messed up and disturbing, but I was like, okay, I'm okay with this. That was the first scene where I was like clutching onto my friend and feeling that like legitimate because the whole thing has been danced. But this was the part where I was like, oh no,

because you've got those chains moving slowly. Oh yeah, there is so great. Yeah. When he's looking up in the that's such a beautiful shot. I mean it's very Blade Runner esque with that light in the water. Just you know, it's such a welcome thing on his face. And Harry Dean Stanton is such a great actor. It's got such a great mug. It was just, I mean, the casting this movie is ridiculous. But yeah, I kept thinking even last night because it had been a minute since I've

seen it. I was like, wait, when does he get it? It's still pretty because I've seen it a lot, and I think they do really a really good job with because there's a couple of scenes where the alien is there, like you can see it, but it's not until it starts moving the very end ship. Yeah, that's that's the big one. An spills out napping in there. I know. It's like, I'm just gonna have had a lot. It's my first day. But that is the scene with Harry Dean Stanton is the first reveal of what it looks

like since it's after it grown. Yeah, man, just dripping and amazing, mouth is twitching well, and just the design of the U the mouth opening and then the other little mouth in there. I mean, come on, that's movie history. How brilliant is that. It's like, let's take something scary. That's all you needed is that alien? Like to put that that punch mouth in there. Is it does that have a name? It probably does, It probably does. I'm sure Alien ually just called it something the penis mouth, penis,

the penis dune. Yeah, I mean that it is certainly phallic um and terrifying and it and it's because it happened so fast, and I think you live after it happens, even I don't think it immediately kills. When that happens, it's pretty terrifying. Yeah, and then it kind of like drags him up and um m m. I was thinking about this last night too. Of you're never really quite sure, especially since they deleted that scene with Dallas. Is the

alien eating them? Is it just killing them? Because then you see the bodies of like Lambert and Parker and it doesn't look like they were eaten. Just kill Yeah, I mean that offers the question, then why is it killing the perfect organism? As asked says perfect killer? Right, But that I mean that is terrifying. Both their terror both options are terrifying. But if it's just killing you, and honestly, I mean maybe some it's just so much

more powerful and threatening than like the humans on that ship. Yeah, that it feels like overkill. Perhaps, Well, they don't even have weapons really, yeah, I mean they fashion these incinerators as flamethrowers. But you know, aliens is when they bring in military and weaponry and stuff like that. But I think that was one of the brilliant things about this is to make it some blue collar workers who aren't

skilled fighters. I guess you know, y'all. Put photo is he's kind of the only tough guy in the movie. Mm hmm, but not your typical trophy. It avoids so many tropes it does, and the I mean, every phase of that creature is terrifying. At the face Hugger is terrifying. And I have written on my list here Annie and the eggs the first seen face Hugger jumps from egg Jesus fucking Christ. That was such a terrifying moment. Yeah, and that like it happened again. It happened so fast.

And then there's that like screeching like sound that you're assuming it may like when it jumps and breaks the glass. Oh yeah, poor cane. Yeah. The one kind of funny part that I laughed at every time is after the chest burst, when the alien comes out and you know, oh god, our God, that's still going on, and then it like then it rides away on a segue. It looks like she goes. It's like, all right, that's that's the only thing that kind of looks like a hand puppet.

I'm pretty sure they struggled a lot with that. That. I'm sure because that's why I didn't think it had legs later on, was because it's kind of gliding around. Maybe it didn't have legs at that point. It definitely looks like the tail is really long when you first see it, and it kind of unfurls, and the way it moves feels much more Yeah, reptilian, So that that

makes sense. That makes sense to me. Uh. Speaking of tropes, I also think that if this movie had been made ten years later, this movie, in one thousand percent has a love story attached to it. Yes, Ripley and Dallas or whatever. It didn't need it, Thank god it didn't have it, but I could totally see. I don't know if Ridley scot would have done it. But let's say this thing goes into turnaround and gets in the hands of you know, some lesser filmmaker in the eighties. It's

got a love story in there. Absolutely, you can't have a main female did not have the romance. It would have looked very different if it had been made in the eighties. Yeah, well when was Aliens? What year was that? It was quite a few years later, Yeah, I think it was like nineteen eight like late eighties. I think I could be right, but yeah, it was. It was. It has to have been the eighties because this movie came out nineteen seventy nine. But yeah, but I think

it was the eighties. Six so seven years later. I mean, I'm not sure about the development of that movie, but you know, I did love it. James Cameron, he took it in the direction it was going to go. I remember being really glad when Ridley Scott came back, and I remember having super high hopes for primthe US and just leaving kind of going, well, that looked awesome. And

I'm kind of confused. Uh yeah, I think I left with the similar My friends are like Annie stopped talking about how that movie was about abortion, and I'm like, but it was, uh yeah, yeah, I did. I did really enjoy Aliens. But you will notice it does have a love story, does have an arc, and it does um, who's Who's the villain in this movie. I think it's Ash,

but it's also what is it waylon eytany Corps. I think it's the company that it's like, yeah, you know Priority one, capture Organism, Priority too, crew is expendable, right, That's that's the big reveal. Yeah, the evil, the evil corporate overlords. I think so because Ash was, as much as I dislike him, he was an Android doing what he was programmed to do. Android's gonna Android and Alien's

gonna Alien. That's true, that's true. But there were a bet a bunch of rich white guys behind that corporation making making choices. Yes, uh, I never really thought about that. Pierce, was it Pierce Brosdon played anyway? That was in the Newest One Coming It? I think was that guy being like, yes, I don't know if I even saw that, to be honest. That's fine, Alien Covenant. I'm getting this in the Terminator franchise.

Confused because I think they have a similar path, including James Cameron, but um, they both sort of went really far in one direction and the back store or the interweaving of the cannon got too confusing for me. In both cases. Yeah, I would agree. I haven't seen all the Terminators. I believe I've seen all of the Alien franchise,

which I did want to put in here. Uh. I think it's impressive that for a rated R movie, this movie did so well that it had like toys and comics, which was kind of mind blowing when you think about it, it really is un rated our horror movie. I mean, I guess they had Freddy Krueger dolls, maybe your action figures,

but yeah, it's not normal, no, especially ninety nine. Uh yeah, get his Zeno morphed toy into that kid's hands on Facebook, Danny, I'm gonna see I'm gonna buy you an ash action figure and just so you can melt it like in the movie, melt its face. Yeah, it's Ian Holme did a great job. Is freaky, it's I know, and he's one of those guys that after you see that movie, regardless of what he's done, you're kind of like it's sort of like the Hannibal lecture effect a little bit.

It's hard to go back right right, And that that reveal is so freaky too, where um Ripley is having this realization like, oh, the company's wants us dead, like they don't care if we die. And then the camera kind of moves and he's like, there's a logical explanation for this, you know, Yeah, that's a total horror movie shot. Yes, now she she knew that he was an android though, right she? And oh she didn't. Nobody knew. Nobody knew,

nobody knew. See, I thought Dallas and Ripley knew. Maybe no, because she confronts Dallas and it's like, since when does the science officer get to do this? And now it is kind of like I'm tired. I just wanted like he's a little over it. Yeah, like that's not my job. I don't care. And um, she's like, I don't trust Ash And have you worked with him before? And he said no, like I had previous. This is the my first time I had a previous science officer, he was

this is my first time with him. Huh, all right, I forgot about that part. Maybe I thought Dallas was in on it. No, No, I guess he would have been though if he would have been keeping that secret. Right he wasn't in on it? No, of course not. I'm reading too much into it. Yeah, check it out of your old head. That's the conspiracy theory that Dallas

is behind the whole thing. Ash really did. Is the villain for a moment though, in that sort of series of sequences, Um, you forget about an alien for a minute, Yeah, which I think is really impressive. I think that, um, you know, there's nothing about him really physically that is terrifying or scary. There's plenty of scenes throughout where you, at least for me, I was like, Okay, he needs the way he's defending this creature over and over and

he's talking about how it's a perfect organism. Um. And when he says he calls the chess Burster Caine's son, which was a biblical reference to Abel and Caine and the fact that they were born outside of God's rules, so they're quite monstrous. Um. So there's like instances where he's creepy and you think he has a really intense look about him. But in that scene, yeah, you forget that there's this impending alien threat and you're just so focused on, oh my gosh, this is a new problem. Well,

and it's very much the first thing's first situation. That alien doesn't matter right then, because he's he's a genuine threat and is trying to kill her dead. Yeah, yeah, and then just to see him have that moment where he is like coming apart of the seating and spinning around and there's that sound. Oh my god, it's so great. And like the inside they used like caviar and mill the lights and noodles. Yeah, a lot of food products going on. I definitely thought there were some oysters involved

on the underbelly of the face ugger. Yeah, I think so. I think it's like it's got to be an oyster, some sweetbreads, yes, so gross licking. I guess what my point was. I think that it is a testament to the acting and writing and shooting of that whole thing. That's someone who isn't on paper that physically threatening. It's

suddenly terrifying. Yeah, little little ian home. I mean you you get the sense even before aliens Ripley that this Ripley could kind of kick his ass, and he's just he's tossing her around in that seventy nine way that it's not there's no wire work, there's no you know, Sigourney Weaver. I mean, that's a good piece of physical acting. Actually, if you kind of you know, just look at her

throwing herself around obviously because he and Holmes not doing it. Um. Such a terrifying sequence though, and one of the great villains I think, and one of the great reveals. I do love how when she does have the head separated and she rewires them to try and get information or whatever. How she's she's getting piste off and then she has the power then to just say fuck you, you're you're you're unplugged again, dude, and how quickly, and you can

tell the satisfaction she gets out of shutting him back down. Yo, Yeah, it's pretty great. Well, and he has that like really creeple final final smile or he's like good luck. Yeah, I know, and that's what sends her over the top. And you know, to look at it from the feminist perspective, you know, she's she's in charge then, and she you know, she can tell that she can put a sock in

that guyaphorically, you know. Yeah, And I mean just that whole like when Dallas I forgot he asked mother and he's like, what are what are my chances and she's kind of like, we're not good, bron, that was a great mother. That's good. Yeah, thank you, thank you, but for that to through line, to continue with ash and to have because you would, I sort of think he's

just a malfunctioning android. But that smile makes you think, oh he's happy that of what's going to become of you, of what he thinks you have no chance to defend. And then Ripley's like, fuck you, yeah, I mean what is that because he's showing emotion there, Yeah, and delight in their demise, to light in their demise. You know.

That's it's addressed briefly in Aliens, where Bishop is like, oh that model had weird They always do that, right, Oh well we forgot the Model T. Whatever the teachers are at Old Model T had a lot of issues. Um Jones, Yes, Annie, I love cats, Okay, I love dogs. I'm an animal lover and I will go out of my way to save an insect. Uh. And last night I was going, fuck that cat, get out of there, man, get out of there. Who cares about Jones? And I

felt myself betrayed. I looked over my cat was like staring at me on the couch, and I felt terrible for betraying my love of animals. But it's like, just get out of there, Jones was the problem at the end. That's the that's the conspiracy theory that Jones was behind it, because Jonesy was also behind Henry Dena Stanton his demise, right, that's right. He was going to look after or look

for Jones. The interesting thing about jones E because a lot of people do feel that way, especially when it's like, yeah, down to the wire, the lights are going wild, You've got the ringing, the blaring of the alarm, aliens there

and refective sound design. Yeah, so good. Actually, um, a couple of years ago, actually way longer than that, but I was in London and they had this exhibit called movie Um and they had that set piece and you could walk through it with like the fog going, the alarm going, and the alien would come out at the end. It was awesome. Check. It was awesome, but terrifying, very terrifying. But yeah, she's like kind of keeps going back for

this cat and you're what is going on? Um? Some people, I think that that is a key element to a non threatening final girl, is that there has to be something feminine and mothering about her. UM. So some people think that that was their effort to be like, yes, she's been pretty like gender neutral throughout, but she still has this really strong protective mothering instinct and she's going to save this cat um, which is a good thing, right, Yeah, well,

or should she be cold blooded and leaves. You can't win. That's the thing about being a lady is you can't win because either you're cold blooded. That's yeah, Like the whole quarantine thing where they're acting like, oh, being ridiculous, I guarantee you of Dallas had been like nope, they would have been like okay, yeah, absolutely, no one would have questioned Dallas. Yeah, but that whole like the in sequences, there's several markers of that of like she has to

go save the cat. That final shot of her, she's like in this virginal white of you know, this mother, the mother being presented, and then when she stripped down to the T shirt. You mean now when she's in the like the final when she's in the pod. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, they're just these like little things that they were putting in, like yeah, she's still don't worry,

she's still a gender conforming lady. Yeah, and you know the end when she does stripped down to the frankly the strangest underwear I've ever seen, and the uh and the and the little tank top or whatever, um it it some helps to me. Still didn't feel like this gratuitous, uh,

let me sexualize this person thing. It felt very real to me that she would do that and and sort of and get in her cry o sleep attire, which is not much, but it didn't feel I feel like later on if it again, if it would have been made later by a different filmmaker, they would have highly sexualized that stuff. Yes you read, yes, I think, Um, I totally agree with you. I think like if I had had a real rough day and I was about

to go and cry, oh, that is what I would do. Um. But I think the complication is women have been sexualized so long that it's hard to take that away. Um. So even if I agree like I do, there's no I don't feel like it's super sexual or anything like that. But because there is this history, especially when we're talking about film of that, it's hard to remove it. And yeah, that kind of Some people are like, did that have to be in there? And I see that criticism, but

I also agree, like, yes you would in theory. That's what you would do, right, but well, and especially when you factor in how that's received by probably a lot of men. I'm sure there are, and we're plenty of dudes they were like, oh man, at the end when she gets down to her underwear, best part of the movie. Bro. Uh And I just didn't take it away. But yeah, that's that's totally fair take. I think. Yeah, it's complicated, um for sure, but to me it does feel pretty

natural of like, yeah, it's been a long day. You'd see me in a pair of me undy and my big beer gut and that'd be it again, not sexual, something sexual about that. Um, well, let's talk about that end.

I mean you mentioned that. We talked just for a second about that sound design, but that's another great example, along with the earlier sound design of creating this tension and that siren going off and you know the ship will self destruct and four and a half minutes and it's just like relentless and it's it's one of the best movie endings in history, I think, because there are a couple of times when you're like, she did it, you know, and it's but it ain't over yet, and

when she sees that hand flop out. It's there's so many emotions going on as a viewer. Part of it is like, fuck, here we go again. Part of it is worry for her. Part of it is terror again because you see how scared she is. But she's clearly caught the Xeno morph at a resting like because it doesn't come right out and go after and uh slipping into that space suit, and like she she immediately kind

of comes up with a plan. Yeah, a good quiet Yeah, she's always one step add I think, yeah, I as you know, I love horror movies, and I think this is a really good example, an early example of kind of what I call the fake out horror movie. Ending of release of tension. It's over, We've done it, and then it's not, and you do have a pretty long moment of thinking, like you're calming down, but like, why is the movie still going if fifteen minutes left? Yeah exactly.

Wait wait wait, wait, wait, what's happening here? But there's a pretty long beat before they reveal that yes, the alien is on here, and that shot is so great because you do think, oh, it's moving towards her, but then it's revealed that it hasn't quite become aware of her yet, but you have that worry in the back of your head of what, well, now that ship is gone,

she has no other option. She's trapped in this small space with this rather large, very dangerous predator um and for her to think of that in that level of fear too and be still and just do what she has to do and succeed. But and then and then you've got it, like hanging out the airlock, I know that that one final little thing too. And then she hits the blaster. Yeah after burner, Yeah, that was pretty amazing. Why does she wait so long to open the door?

I know, at first I think she was waiting for it to fully unfuril and get out of that space. But it seems like she waited, and maybe the answer is just for a more badass ending for it to rush at her and her hit it. But last night, you know, after it completely got out, I was just like, hit hit the door, hit it now it now. But she waited, and I mean it's probably just all about

tension building. It definitely built up the tension. I feel like there's a couple of things going on when I watch it where I think there's a part of her that's waiting for this like perfect moment, because she does shoot it with a harpoon too, to get about that, Yeah, to make sure she gets it out there, because it's hanging on for a second. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's that like waiting for the moment to do it, but also knowing like it's a really dangerous predator and

like any sudden movement might trigger it to attacks. So I feel like she was maybe some of it was fear. I think a lot of it was waiting for the right moment because she didn't want to suck it up. That was their only chance. And it also maybe it was all about just getting that one iconic shot with her in the space helmets looking, you know, right right beyond her field of vision there. Yeah, just send him

a history, you know, it's amazing. Absolutely, I love that shot. Um. I I can't remember, but I'm pretty sure Sigourney Weaver um ad lived or improv to that song, and they liked it so much they had they kept it in, but they had to pay the royalties for that song. Yeah, I'm sure they found a little money in the budget. I think they were fine. I caught one and I'm meant to look this up. I'm sure it's addressed online

as a goof. But when that when mother is counting down, it says twenty seven after did you notice I did not notice that it's like one seven, No, no, it goes two seven one, or it's someone it's either in between twenty one and twenty or one and twenty two. She says again. I was like what and I rewound it twice and she does. I want sure someone has has has said something about that. It can't be. This is one of my favorite things though, of like people

who love movies, is is I bet yours? Well? No, I bet you there is an explanation someone's come up with of like, well, I bet you know. Mother was saying, because the ship is four to six to seven is if they can get outside the ship. You know, it is a fan explanation. And this is one of my favorite things about Star Wars that gets so messy is people will be like, it's weird that Princess Leah has

this accent. Why does she have this accent? And we're all like, oh, it's just you know whatever, and then Disney is like, oh, it's a core accent because she's really like, they'll come up with an explanation. I guarantee you chuck there is It was probably a mistake, but there is an explanation out there I'm gonna find and I might I might have to que it up again just to make sure that I wasn't hearing things for like a third time. But maybe she was really just

fucking with Ripley. Yea, because she was so cool. She's right down to the wire and she's like mother the coole, it's back in and she's like too late. She's it's like, yeah, yeah, it should have she Ripley should have said wait, yes, should have been twenty I think mother. That was all mother, just having a laugh. By the way, the geeger Bar is in Switzerland, and just google image a picture of that bar and I'll meet you there. In a couple

of years. We'll figure out the movie crush Field Trip. Yes, it looks pretty amazing. I mean it's it's literally like crawling around inside the spine of a of a zeno. More get on the company dime check. Yeah, sure, guys, we want to do a special episode from the geeger Bar. Cool cost us like ten grand. Yeah, but it'll be that like one and a half hours of content killer be so good? Sign me up. Uh, well, you got

anything else? Annie? I have a million quotes, but uh, if you would want, if you want to hear them, because I feel like I've made my point. We did. I did go through all of them on stuff I've never told you. Well, when was that released? Like, what was the title of that episode? People should definitely listen to that. It was released in October because it was

the fortie anniversary. Um, this is the second time I've watched this movie for research, and it was called feminist movie Friday Alien with all like three exclamation points, and then the description was Annie finally lives her dream and talks about Alien while her co host patiently listens to her. Oh that's so great. I'm gonna listen to that actually too for a deeper dive. UM. I appreciate you coming on and doing this again. I hope it wasn't a retread for you. Oh no, no, no no. I loved it. Um.

I was really thrilled. And that was the one you chose, and it was we went over different topics last time. I was much more talking about abortion and sex and stuff like that, so it's a little different. Well that may have scared me, so it's disturbing Annie. My mom's calling me. I gotta go upstairs now. Well, this is fantastic. It's always great to see you, and you're one of my favorite cast members for movie Crush, and uh, you know we'll do it again in a couple of months

or so. Yes, I love being here every every time. And don't forget we have to return the Jedi. I'm ready. Yeah, yeah, I'll hit Holly up and we'll get you both back in here. I'm ready to all right, Thanks Annie, thank you. Movie Crash is produced and written by Charles Bryant and Roel Brown, edited and engineered by Seth Nicholas Johnson, and scored by Noel Brown here in our home studio at

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