Halloween Special!

I would eat a million of them. Yeah, I'm really regretting the bag, the giant bag I bought of Totti rolls because I probably ate twenty of them between last night and this morning. I did eat a shit ton of tottsi Rolls too. Do you know that New Jersey was voted to their favorite candy as tottsi Rolls? Really? And some people think that that's so gross, but I

could they're like up there with that for sure. I think people generally think I'm a grandmother, but really because I eat so many Toati rolls and just do like old people things like that. So I don't know. Everybody's been making fun of me for eating You have bridge mix in your house, that's no, that's that's the real test of an old person. So with Halloween candy, there's all of these different things that we need to be aware of, unfortunately, because there's been some real life incidents

of things happening with them. And one of the biggest things that's been happening for the past couple of years is the DEA putting out alerts to be aware of what drugs are going around that potentially could look like

candy to children. Yeah, so a couple of years ago, we had written this huge post about, you know, the dangers of Halloween candy in the grocery room, and you included a picture of these ventanyl pills that were these like small multi colored rainbow pills, right, and they look exactly like those many sweet arts to me that you could buy at the movie theater. You know, yeah, they

really do. So that's why they have to issue the warning because they look just like candy and anything that looks like that is going to be attractive to children, you know. So. And another thing is is that they found that people were smuggling drugs in through candy wrappers too, so in bags of Skittles, in boxes of nerds, and listen, I don't think that any I mean, you can't say that because some other stories we're going to talk about

later this week. But in general, I can't see why a person would intentionally give your child drugs because number one, it's just gross and stadistic to poison a child or to give a child drugs. But number two, why would they give your child something that's worth so much more

than a box of nerds. I think the problem is is that you go to there's fifty houses around your neighborhood, right, and you go to all these houses, and you don't know who lives in every single house, and there could be a person there that also sell drugs or has them in their house, and it could accidentally get mixed in with the kids stuff. So that's I think that's the concern of that, more so than people intentionally trying

to give it to kids. Yeah, and then generally there's just the concern of choking because for a lot of these Halloween candies, they're making them what they call like fun size, so that you can give out these little pieces and not everybody's having full sized bars. But I feel like that also poses serious threats to little kids. One of the biggest ones I was always scared of is those little dumb dumb pops because they come on a stick, but they're the perfect size circle for a

child to have an asphyxial death to choke on. And there's been times when I was a kid, and even as an adult, I don't really like them because they're too the paper gets too wet and gross for me. I'm not not a huge fan of them now. But as a kid, you know, just because the stick of it is made out of paper, it disintegrates with your saliva and the head of the lollipop could pop off in a child's mouth, or if they chew on the stick and it then it's a super huge choking hazard

because it's a perfect size for a child. And then there's the foreign bodies, which, of course, when you're thinking about it, we are typically talking about ones that people are sticking in parts of their body where they really shouldn't be down there. But of course there's children every year that are sticking candy up their noses in their ears apparently nerds clusters or like the number one candy that fits best in the ear and causes a lot

of problems. And then there's this one story of this child that went to the er because he stuck a black jelly bean up his nose, and his parents weren't able to get it out for hours. And when they brought him to the hospital and they were finally able to get it out, the parents were expecting him to find, you know, one solid jelly bean when they were removing it, but it was this giant glob because the exterior candy shell had melted off of it and it just started like,

you know, just integrating slowly. So well, think about this your bodies ninety eight degree, right, and then you put a jelly bean on there, of course it's going to kind of melt. It would be the same thing as if you left it outside on a hot summer day. That's exactly what happened. It melted up in the kid's nose. And for me personally, I love the smell of that fake annis licorice smell, but most kids hate the black

jelly bean. Right, maybe you could put it up as nose and that its need, But imagine just that smell just being like stuck up your nose. I imagine even when you take it out, it's just like a very lingering smell. You know. It's interesting. Momm's favorite candy was always good in plenty, and I always just just like this lady is so freaking weird, Like she likes licorice flavor. And another weird thing she does is she likes the yellow part of the egg. She doesn't like the white part.

It just like blows my mind how weird that is. Well, you know, we went to Target yesterday to get candy. So it's a day before Halloween. It's pretty slim pickings. But there was like one variety bag that I consider old people candy. That there was a ton of bags of that because who wants that? Wait, which it was like butterfingers, No, butter fingers are good, No, But it was those weird those weird candies like almond es. I really like Almondjoys, but it's considered an old person candy

for sure. The Mister Goodbar or whatever, you know, things like that. Yeah, kids, I don't think kids really like that stuff anymore. But the candies getting outrageously expensive, so maybe that bag was cheaper. I was. I also, you know, when we were at Target yes or, I also saw all of the pretzel I hated getting pretzels or Anything's gonna say that too. There was there was like popcorn

like and it wasn't even buttery popcorn. It was just like no, no anything, no salt or anything popcorn, Like, Wow, that's so much fun. They had a bag of ghost shaped veggie straws, and I'm like, what kid wants veggie straws on Halloween? Everybody wants candy. Somebody in our neighborhood growing up, though, used to give out popcorn balls and

those were pretty good. Yeah, but a popcorn ball is a Rice Christ retreat made out of popcorn, right, Yeah, I'm pretty so like of course, But getting back to it, Yeah, I mean, I don't think I've ever had the urge as a child to stick anything into my ear or my nose. But you hear about this all the time. We see it all the time. Yeah, I don't know if it's like a certain type of kid personality to do something like that, or they just accidentally go up there.

I don't know. I also feel like I haven't had the urge to stick. This happened to a kid once when I was growing up that this kid apparently had really bad breath all the time, and they couldn't figure out why the kid had bad breath, And then they found out that the kid had stuck a pee up their nose months prior, and that's what was emitting the smell. It's just it's just really funny, right that you hear

about that all the time. But the biggest thing with the foreign bodies though, is when people are sticking them in candy bars. There's been documentation of that. Yeah, so I was gonna ask you, I I feel like we checked my candy a little bit in the nineties, but not crazy. But when you were a kid, were you guys checking them a lot? Because there was a couple incidents in like the you know, ten to fifteen years before you were born, that some really horrible things happened.

So Momum and Papa click on top of it. Yeah, I mean we checker treated in our neighborhood, and I'm pretty sure that we knew every single house that we went to because we just lived in a little development and we knew almost every single person. But I think, like looking back as an adult, I'm like, oh, Pop Pop was totally checking my candy because he was like, what's in here that I want? I'm going to take

out everything. It's a pretty good tactic, Honestly, it is the tactic I do it with my kids all the time. But it's completely bullshit. I'm not really looking for anything. I'm just looking for what for what I want. But now it's like whatever. They go to bed and I still read their shit. But yeah, so they did check. And I do remember mo Mom saying, because I always was like, what are you looking for? And they were like razor blades, razor blades, sewing needles, things like that.

So so apparently this like fear started in the sixties because in nineteen sixty four, this woman in New York was arrested for giving children ant bait, dog biscuits and steel woolpads, not all with warning labels that they were poisonous. So, you know, how nice of her, how nice. But I think in her case, she was just like hated Halloween. She was very annoyed by the whole thing, obviously mentally disturbed, so that's the route she thought she needed a take,

which is horrible. And then a couple of years later in Toronto police were finding razor blades in Halloween apples. So I guess when you were younger, giving away candied apples or maybe in like, you know, the fifties, sixties was like a bigger thing. So I'm assuming that started

fading out because people started not trusting homemade goods anymore. Yeah, we used to get We had a house that gave out candied apples too, But now, like thinking about the hundreds of people that are going to be coming to my house tonight, Like, who the hell is time for that shit anymore? That's like if you live in a small neighborhood where you ten kids are coming by, you

know whatever. Well, I was also thinking, like, you know, when you were a little kid in the eighties, it was different and you know all your neighbors and everything, Like I know maybe one or two of my neighbors out of twenty houses, right, Like, how do you people don't talk to each other like that anymore? I just think it depends where you live, you know what I mean, That's just what it boils down to. I agree, I know less people in my neighborhood now, although I do

know a lot of my neighbors. But yeah, i'd be like I said, we lived in a development that was built and everybody that moved in in the seventies all had children. I mean my bus stop had my bus alone was just from our neighborhood was filled with kids, so you just know everyone and we all most of us went to the public school and everything, so it just that's how you know everybody, you know what I mean.

But now it's just different because kids go to other schools and things like that, you know what I mean. It's insane to me that that many children were in your neighborhood growing up, because every year I leave out a bowl of candy and it's always more than half full by the time I get home. I'm like, not even one of you just wants to take the whole thing and dump it in your bag so I don't have to sit here and eat this for the next

couple of bloods. I don't know. Yeah, it is, it's but it just depends where you live, you know, because when we first moved in here, there was a lot more old people on the street, and then it's you know, it's transitioning into newer families moving in younger kids, and the whole towns like that. So that's just that's just how it goes. But I do have a picture in the gross room of a sewing needle and a kit cat.

That is that a real Because I know that a lot of rumors also spread and maybe this isn't one hundred percent true that people were actually doing that. You know, you always have to assume there's some mentally disturbed individuals that are gonna go to these lengths right by putting

stuff in the Halloween candy. Like you said, I don't understand the point of it, especially with drugs, Like you're just wasting money giving them to children, And like, what's the point of taking out the children in your neighborhood. You know you're gonna get caught. Like the most notable case of Halloween candy which did result in death was his father who poisoned his own child with pixie sticks, but he was also trying to poison his friend's two

kids and another neighborhood boy. Yeah, and this is the only out of all these stories that we hear on the news about like watch your kids candy, this, that, and the other, this is the only one that we know of that has actually resulted in a death of

a child during Halloween. Yeah, And what happened in this case, if you guys aren't familiar with it, is these two dads in nineteen seventy four took their kids trick or treating, which I thought was unusual for the time, Like when did you see two dads alone taking kids trick or treating in the seventies. But anyway, they get they approached and did you see a parent trick or treating in

the seventies. I know this is like, this is like, oh, you're old enough the walk go trick or treating by yourself. That's how it was in the seventies. You were five years old. And they're just like, see you later, one hundred percent. Yes. So in this case, these two dads are walking around, they each have two kids, and they approach this dark house and nobody answers the door. So one of the dads says he's going to stick around and see if somebody answers the door, which like red

flag number one. They go to the next house, and then suddenly that dad appears and goes, oh, somebody did crack the door open, and they handed me these five pixie sticks. So they give two pixie sticks. They give one pixie stick each to that guy's two kids, the

friends two kids, and then another neighborhood boy. So later that night they're all at their respective houses and the friend said to his kids, you know, I really don't want you eating any candy before bed, which, like I know they're are probably annoyed at the time, but extremely great character. And then the guy that got the pixie sticks from this alleged dark house pretty much force fed his son this pixie stick, which when he was emptying

it out noticed it was clumpy. And if anybody's had a pixie stick, you know, it's this really fine powdered sugar type of candy, so there definitely shouldn't be clumps in it. Yeah, maybe you should describe what a pixie stick is in case people don't know what they are. It's like this plastic tube filled with this powdered sugar candy essentially, so if you're opening the tube and there's clumps in it, that shouldn't seem right to you because

it's this ultra fine powder. I wonder if in the seventies if they were plastic tubes or if they were the paper ones. Well, regardless, they're a straw that's made out of either paper or plastic that's just filled with flavored sugar basically, and these ones also happen to be like stapled shut, which another red flag. It's clearly the baggage was tampered with. But this guy force fed his child this Pixi stick. The child died within an hour and ended up being from cyanide poisoning that was in

the Pixy sticks. So the other parents of the kids that got the sticks, you know, are freaking out. The friends like, thank god that I never fed my kid or I didn't let them have candy before bed. And then the other neighbor was running around their house trying to find this Pixi stick and when they got in their kids room, he literally literally was asleep on the bed holding it in his hand but had not yet opened it, like thank god. So, yeah, they found out

this guy put cyanide in all of them. That the one of the dads, because he had significant debt, about half a million dollars in today's money of debt, and he took out life insurance policies on his own children and the poison the pictures. What a scumbag. Also, you know you're gonna get caught with the life insurance polosie, what are you doing? Well? And this is this is

how they figured this out. So the kid, the kid got very sick, and had he he started vomiting and having abdominal pain moments within and this pixie stick fainted in his dad's arms, was brought to the hospital and was dead within one hour. And when his body so in that case all the time like they're going to do an autopsy, and of course suspicion's going to be high when the medical examiners asking, like what was the kid doing? What happened and they say, oh, he was

eating his Halloween candi. So for anyone that does autopsies, your your red flags go up of like it was this kid poisoned somehow, some acute poisoning that occurred very quickly. And when they were doing the autopsy, the coroner had smelled the kid's breath and smelled almonds on his breath.

And one of the really interesting things with cyanide is that there's a small percentage of the population, well not a small percent, but a lot of people are able to smell almonds when a person has been poisoned with cyanide, but some people can't smell it. It's kind of similar to asparagus. Asparagus p like, if you eat asparagus, some times you could smell it. Very strong, and other people

don't smell it at all. I remember Lucia when she was a baby, I gave her asparagus and changed her diaper, and it like the smell of it just whacked me in the face. I just I'm able to smell it, but some people just aren't able to smell it. So it's really interesting. So even though smelling cyanide is definitely puts off alarms for a corner, every corner can't smell it, and it's not one hundred percent something that would diagnose it, but it definitely clues you in. Another thing is is

the live or mortis. So when you die, all of the blood that's in your blood vessels kind of falls down to the dependent areas of your body where you're laying, and usually it's like a purplish reddish color, but in cases of cyanide, along with carbon monoxide poisoning, it turns bright red and that's also a clue, and then they're able to do toxicology to see And it ended up that this kid had enough to kill two adults in

his system. That's how much. And I was in a system, which is why he dropped dead within an hour It's just disgusting that you would resort to doing something like that to pay off debt. And like, you know you're getting caught when you take out a life insurance policy. You're obviously the most guilty person if you're taking one out on an eight year old little kid, Like what are you even doing? Also, just like okay, so what you don't get caught, Like how do you really live

with yourself? I don't know. And you're like a serious sociopath. It seems like he was trying to not only kill that child, but his other kid too, So it's like you're gonna kill both kids. And his wife was saying that he basically force fed this pixie stick to their son. He didn't even want it, so he was actively still married to the mom. Yeah, I believe. I just can't even could you just like imagine that really? I mean clearly they there was probably like a lot of other

signs with this guy before he did this. But so he was put to death by lethal injection March thirty first, nineteen eighty four, about ten years after the end, So good piece of shit. So this episode is brought to you by the Grosser Room. Guys. This is the season of skulls and blood and guts. But in the Grosser Room, it is Halloween twenty four to seven, three hundred and sixty five days a year, So you want to join us.

It's a lot of fun. It's only five ninety nine a month, so visit the Grossroom dot com for more info and to sign up. Let's talk about makeup. Oh, Halloween. Makeup is my favorite part of Halloween, like doing your makeup when you were a kid. Let's talk about some of your your Halloween costumes. Did you see on Instagram? I posted one of my favorite ones as a child, when I was just as the Yellow Eminem. Oh yeah, the Yellow Eminem's good. But that that wasn't so you.

I had made you a costume for Nightmare before Christmas Sally, before that was even a thing that they sold the costumes. I made the whole entire thing out of momm's clothes. I took a bunch of her shirts and cut them up and made you a patchwork dress, and I had stockings that I drew stitches on, and it just looked so awesome. Of course, there's no photographs of it because wait, so it was the nineties. Did you just go at her drawers and take a bunch of shirts out with her.

She didn't even know, dude, that lady is insane. She's the most insane person I ever met. She goes to the store and buys so much clothes and they're all hanging in her closet with tag still on it. Like I could go to her closet right now and take ten items out of her closet and she wouldn't even notice they were missing. I sent Didy this video on Instagram the other day that this guy took all of his mom's shoes out of her closet and they lined

them in the entire upstairs at their house. And I think she had over two hundred pairs of shoes or something. So I sent it Toddy and I just wrote momm and she said yeah, and none of them are comfortable, which not one, not one. While the best thing about momm and her shoes, though, is that she had these these like booties, and one pair was black and one pair was brown, but they were the same as ex shoes. And one day she went all the way to work

wearing one black shoe and one brown shoe. Like would you, I would I don't even know what I would do. I would I would like, I don't even know, go to the drug store and buy black eyeshadow and rub it all over the other shoe or something. I can't imagine walking around in public like that. And it's and it's just like she said, I think she said she went through like half the day at work and just somebody was like, hey, Beth, I want to write, you know,

and this had to be when she was forty. I mean, she hasn't worked at a place like that in a long time. She was young, you know what I mean, sl like she was some like crazy old eighty year old, you know, you know, she really should have played it off as she was like this fashion trendsetter wearing two different colored shoes out in public, instead of just being embarrassed by it. Yeah, you should have power tripped the person that called her out on anyway, side note from

mo Mom's closet, some other costumes you had. You were Sully from Monsters, Inc. That was and Deity was like KALs Lawski or whatever. That was fun too during that but yeah, you so so anyway, of course, the biggest fear with using makeup is a lot of this Halloween makeup, especially the ones you get like at the Halloween store. They're just the generic branch you've never heard of, and and you just have to fear that it's just filled with toxic shit, Like you don't really know what you're

putting on your kid's face, you know what I mean? Yeah, And I mean I don't know, because do you worry about I always see like vintage makeup at antique laws and stuff, and I don't know, Like something about it just screams like chemicals to me. Yeah, I mean, I mean there's different fears you could have. So number one, you could have a fear of getting bacterial infections. So of course I buy like all this white cake makeup

and all this shit, like I have. I have a nice collection of Halloween make that I just put in the drawer and I literally, like this morning, just pulled it out again, you know, because I'm not buying that stuff every year. It's expensive and it's good, but a lot of dermatologists recommend that you don't do that because it could grow bacteria over the year and it could cause irritation to the skin. But whatever, I don't know, Like when I see this makeup from the fifties and sixties.

I'm always compelled to buy them because I just think they look really cool, that containers are awesome and everything. But then I always think about the situation with Wizard of Oz and how toxic the makeup was during that time. Well that's I mean, listen, it's still happening though today that companies will buy some of these Halloween makeups and do tests on them, and very recently they found that there was lead in some of them. And lead is really really bad. It's not good in any levels, and

it's considered a neurotoxin. Right. It's just bad to have kid, especially children and that have a growing brain, be exposed to So they found not only lead, but just other heavy metals too that could really be harmful. I mean, the thing is is that the only way to avoid it is just to not use that stuff. And I

don't really know. I personally do try to get brands like a Mac makeup or something that's like a little bit more tested and quality and everything else, just to just to have a side because those things do worry me about what's in them, you know what I mean. And at least with makeup brands that are sold like the bigger brands. There's a lot more testing and regulations

with them now. I know they cost more. I mean, the funny thing is is that now the cheap stuff is catching up with the expensive stuff, so it's not too much of a price gap. But like I said, like if I buy white, it might cost a little bit more, but then I save it aside and it's good for a couple of years, you know. I mean yeah, especially like you used to work and to make used to be a makeup artist and stuff, so I feel like you just know general care and everything and you're

taking precautions. But I think people are just dipping all the brushes and oily skin, not washing the brushes, for using them year after year of the year without like taking all the precautions necessary. Yeah, the bacteria is just like whatever, you'll get zits or whatever. I'm I'm mostly concerned with putting these weird chemicals on my kid's skin, you know. And there's reason for that because the history,

like you were saying with Wizard of Oz. Yeah, so you have to think when that movie came out in nineteen thirty nine, there's obviously no internet. You have to think like movies are still relatively new. I'm pretty sure Wizard of Oz was the first color movie ever made, which is nuts to think about. And they don't, you know, they don't have the resources we have today, and they had to do everything possible to make their special effects

look great because they didn't have computers. And they were like, this is the first color movie. Like this, shit's gonna look vibrant. We don't care what we have to play on people's skin in order to make it look good. Yeah. So the first issue we have is with the tin Man.

So Buddy Ebsen, who was originally cast as a tin man, only nine days into production he started having these horrific breathing problems and then later found out it was due to the illuminum dust that they were putting on his face. They give him the tin man metallic gene. Well, I think, so this is a little bit of a different situation because I think the aluminum dust wasn't considered too necessary. It was considered to be safe at the time, So

they weren't. They weren't intentionally bypassing standards. But what happens is he was having so sometimes your body could have a reaction to breathing in either organic or inorganic materials, and it could cause you to get scarring or something called pulmonary fibrosis in your lung or you could get a granuloma infection, which is your lungs are having this reaction to the body like it sees this aluminum dust as being foreign, and then all of those little pieces

of dust, your body kind of forms this scar tissue around all of them, which having all that scar tissue in your lungs obviously causes difficulty breathing. And that might not happen in every single person, but it's definitely a cause for alarm because with this guy, he could have really had permanent lung damage from that. Yeah, And I mean they thought he just was having an allergic reaction to it, because, like you said, there was a certain

level of approval that the aluminum dust had had. I think they used to give it to minors to protect They thought it would protect their lungs from certain diseases, so they didn't think anything was wrong giving it to him on a Hollywood movie set. And then they were just like, you know what, you're having a reaction, so we're gonna replace you with another actor. I think, So

now two people are exposed to two people. But on top of that, the first guy is like, oh, I also need a lung transplant, thanks, and I just lost my job, yeah exactly, So you know, it's just messed up. And then most notably from that movie is Margaret Hamilton who played the Wicked Witch of the West. So she had that infamous green makeup on her that was extremely toxic. Yeah,

it was copper oxide. And so she had some situation where she was in munchkin Land and there was some you know, when she would they would put up the smoke and flames and things like that when she was exiting the scene or entering the scene or something, and it caused her face to catch on fire basically, and because the chemical is so toxic, they were using robbing alcohol essentially to take it off of her during that incident, and she described that as as being the worst pain

that she's ever felt in her life. Obviously sticking alcohol and open wounds like that on top of whatever the hell is in that makeup. You know, it's kind of crazy because I was reading that they knew that this makeup was tough to an extent because after she put it on, they wouldn't let her eat because there was a fear of her ingesting it. Holy shit, and the days were so long, so obviously she was getting hungry.

So she had to basically adhere to this liquid diet and drink out of a straw wow every time she was a makeup and then the makeup artists would really try to carefully take it off because they knew it was toxic and they didn't want it on her skin longer than it had to be. And then they said, because of how potent I guess it was, her her skin would be green for like four days because they would remove all the surface level makeup, but it just

would it stained her skin. Well, luckily it was worth all that because this is one of the best movies of all time, right, and yeah, but it'll ever be. It wasn't when it came out. Oh I know it was a box off. No, I know it wasn't. But like it it lived. It's just this historical thing. So at least maybe all of that was worth it at some point. I don't know. Wait so that, I mean, how did she I actually never looked at how she died. Well, if you want to look that up real quick. I'll

just tell you that. So after that happened, she wasn't able to film for six weeks because she had to heal from all the burns she had. And then afterwards, the producers seriously wanted her to do another scene with fire, to which she obviously said, I'm not doing that, So they had this woman stand in for her during another scene where they like throw the smoke and the fire up and then you know, something went wrong of course during that too, which gave that woman a huge gash.

She also had burns from it and had to go to the er. And you know, I can't imagine how much of that shit used to happen back in the day, and they were just like, you want this job, it's risk your life kind of thing. Correct, The woman had a huge gash in bruising, not also burned from that, but there was still an incident on set and then yeah, you know, so she was eighty two when she died of a heart attack. So she's just one of those hardy humans that goes through a lot of shit throughout

their life. But apparently she it didn't affect her and she didn't get any weird kind of cancer or anything from that makeup. Maybe she did, but she survived through it. Can you just imagine, like, you know, you're working in this new industry, you probably think it's really awesome, and then they obviously know this makeup's poisonous, but they don't have enough research to know anything about it, and I

don't know. Then you get this horrific burn and at least the role was iconic, you know, because what if you did this for a movie that never took off. Yeah, exactly, That's what I'm saying. And then a lot of people think this movie is cursed because of those two incidents.

And then you know, Judy Garland was sixteen when they were filming it, and they were force feeding her pills to get through filming and telling her she was fat even though she was like a size too, and giving her all these pills and antidi presents and everything, and that gave her a lifelong pill addiction. So, speaking of curses, let's talk about Poultergeist. Do you know multiple people have died before Poltergeist was even finished production and came out. Yeah,

it is. It's really a crazy story. Yeah, So it's just kind of nuts to think, like one movie. And you know, we were just talking about Wizard of Oz being cursed, and I don't you know, you can't even argue that this movie was cursed. Date one hundred percent of a problem. I've read that they're reading or using real human skeletons as movie props. Obviously that's gonna create a spooky Vibeok. Well, they were cheaper than getting fake ones back in the day. They did outrageous I think

one eyed Willie from Gooeny's is a real skeleton. Like they they used them all the time. There's plenty of examples of it on movie sets. The one from Poltergeist is so creepy because they're in water and then there's putting like real skeletons next to the actors and stuff. It looks so creepy because they're real, you know. Yeah, So, all right, a couple of people died that were worked on the movie. So Will Sampson at fifty three year old.

Fifty three years old died from malnutrition in kidney failure though he had scleroderma. What is that. That's when you have a collagen deficiency. It's a disease that causes you to have hardening the skin. It could happen with the skin, but also it could happen with the internal organs and they get like thickened and hardened, and it's it's difficult for them to function properly. So he ended up getting a heart and lung transplant because of the gloridarma, and

then he had kidney failure. As a result of that, he had a massive weight loss. He went from like two hundred and sixty pounds to one hundred and forty pounds, and that's where the malnutrition came from. All right. Then we have Julian Beck who died of stomach cancer at sixty years old. Yeah, she had stomach cancer, all right. So then I just learned about this death in the Menendaz show that just came out on Netflix. So dominiqu Dune,

who was also in the movie. She died at twenty two years old because she was strangled to death by her boyfriend. And then most notably Heather O'Rourke who was twelve years old when she died. Yeah did she die exactly? Oh, this is a really sad story. So she had her Her cause of death was from a ballol obstruction and sepsis, right, which means something was causing when she ate her food couldn't go all the way through her DREI track and

she couldn't poop it out properly. She didn't present with problems until like a year before she died, when she started vomiting a lot and having all this stuff. And I guess the imaging at the time or whatever, they decided that she had Crohn's disease. And then they gave her steroid prednan zone for a long time use, which is not really recommended unless it's completely necessary. But she got a very specific look on her face, which is called a moonface. You see sometimes in people that are

on chronic steroid use. That you could see it in her face, you know what I mean. Her face is very large and looks like a moon. That's why it's called a moonface. But what happens was she started she was on that treatment and stuff, and she was having all these issues, and then one day her mom thought that she was sick and called the doctor. They thought she had the flu or something, and then her mom

noticed that she started turning blue and she fainted. They called the ambulance, and the ambulance came, and when the ambulance came. She just was concerned that she was going to miss school that day, so she was completely alert and awake, and then she went into cardiac arrest into the ambulance. She went to the hospital. They ended up doing surgery and opening her up to see what the problem was. And here she was misdiagnosed with Crone's disease.

She never had Crohn's disease. She had a bowel obstruction from something that was wrong with her bow when she was born. That if that was diagnosed properly, she could have had surgery to remove that and never been on steroids, right, And what happens is that the bow was it was obstructed, so the poop couldn't move through and it burst, and then the bacteria from the bow got into her bloodstream and then she ended up it spread throughout her body.

She got sepsis and she died. Absolutely horrible. Yeah, it's it is horrible. I mean, and this was in the eighties. I don't I don't exactly know what the imaging was and the testing was and everything like that. But to their defense, when a child has a bowel obstruction, it's

usually because of two different things. It's either number one, something that they were born with, or it's something that was caused later in life like Crohne's disease, or if they let's say, you ever hear of kids like swallowing those Orbie beads, or like an obstruction the kid that swallowed the Barbie dolls had we talked about a couple of weeks ago. There are the things that you that

you acquire throughout your life. But if a kid is born with a bowel obstruction, they usually don't live to be ten eleven years old and not have any issues with that. So that when a child presents living ten years of their life not having any GI issues and then all of a sudden they have an obstruction, the doctor's not going to be thinking that it's congenital, because if it was, it would have presented years prior. Right, Yeah, So but still you can't just assume and that's what happened.

But maybe I don't want to talk shit because I don't know what the imaging was at that time and what it looked like. You know. Yeah, it's just but it was sad, yeah, because she was so twelve years old, so young a child. It's just really sad. And obviously we can say that all the incidents with Wizard of Oz were pretty much strictly linked to the filming of that movie. These were all just weird coincidences that all happen to line up with the cast of Poltergeist, so

it's just horrible to think about. Yeah, okay, guys, we wanted to say thank you so much because it has been one year since Mother Knows Death launched. I can't believe it's been a year already. I can't believe it either. It is truly flown by I am so extremely grateful for the opportunities this show has brought us. We have gotten to interview some of our absolute dream guests, we got to go to Crime Con earlier this year, and

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