Good morning everybody, it's Dave Weiner and today is June 15th, 2005 and I was sitting at my computer coding away, fur iously solving problems, fixing bugs, creating new bugs and whatever. And all of a sudden it starts raining outside and there's thunder strikes and earth shaking thunderbolts. And at first I said I don't have time and then a couple more and they're getting like huge, huge , huge thunderbolts and I said I have an obligation here. Here's
another one coming. You ready? Now it was out over the ocean. The cool thing about a thunderstorm that's out over the ocean when you have a view of the ocean is that you can tell when you're about to get a big thing happening. So this is the third thunderstorm podcast. Oh, there's another one. That one was due east, I was about to say. It's really, really hot today. My internet was down
. Like first thing this morning, I totally couldn't get on and so I ended up going to Starbucks and it was too noisy and there were flies there and I just couldn't concentrate . I had things I needed to do, programming stuff I needed to do and I just couldn't
concentrate. So I picked up and I went to the public library and they have really great Wi- Fi access there and it's free and I got a bunch of stuff done there but then school let out and the kids started coming in and they're really, really cute and they come up and talk to you. They really like the
library. I sort of forgot about how much kids like libraries but it made it really hard to concentrate and then I was going in and out of the car and at one point I looked at the thermometer, it was 105 degrees and of course, now there's another strike and of course it was 100% humidity and so like all day, wow, you can feel the house shake, you can't feel it, I'm saying but so all day long it's like what's happening is it's cooking up a great thunderstorm, a really,
really great thunderstorm and so now we're reaping the benefit of it and this makes the earlier thunderstorms look like a triple strike. Here we go. blip, blip, blip, three Now, not so big but that one went different lighting bolts all happening at the same time and at the same spot actually but not the great big thunderbolt I was expecting and of course all the while it's just totally pouring rain and I got a little movie of the, oh wow, that was just, that one was really
goddamn close. We ought to do the math on this, somebody ought to figure out how close that one was, you know, you can of course figure that one out, take the speed of sound for the moment at which I exclaimed to the moment that you actually heard the damn thing, woo, I wonder how loud that's going to sound, I hope it sounds great.
Anyway so, yeah, we're getting ready to release the Outliner, it's a, the to-do list is getting short and the initial test group, I guess there are like what, seven or eight people, I don't know if I remember all the people, it's like Dave L uber, Rogers Cadenhead, Casso, Stan Crute, Andrew Grumit, Lawrence Lee, Andre Radka, I'm probably leaving somebody out but, yeah, so they're all seem to be using it, not well, I won 't say all, but we're getting pretty good participation today
and that's a pretty good sign and now people are starting to report the China problems, like Dave Luber reported a thing today, he said, this is that's just going to drive the something first, holy fuck, that's it, people running, there were people enjoying the thunderstorm, that said them running, that one was a block away, that one was right down the street, so anyway, Dave was reporting a problem, he said this is just going to drive the first users
crazy and I said, well, great, let's fix it, those are exactly the kinds of things we want to fix because, and then of course the hope is that we're getting, you know, what I want from the next round of beta testers do exactly the same thing, I don't want to know where the nitty little display bugs are, the ones that you'll see, you know, once every couple of days or whatever, I can't do anything about those things, I literally can't do it, I can't go into the C
code and change the way the out liner performs, but what I wanted, but I do know that the outliner is usable, I've been using this outliner for like 17 years , so it's usable, I've written tons of code with it, I've every scripting news that's written ever been written has been written with it, all the Dave N ets were written, well I don't say all, I think I wrote, the first ones I think I wrote with more, that's scary, dear God, help, this is what we called in
the first undercast, we called this a Godcast, I called it a Godcast because I felt like my partner on the podcast was gone, okay, anyway, so you keep wanting to refine those, you know, get rid of the deal stoppers, things that prevent people from getting worked up, that's what you want to get rid of, one at a time, barrier after barrier comes down, you know, and to the point where, I mean I know you can get work done with this right now, I know, because we are
getting work done with it, and I have been getting work done with the outliner, but I want more and more people to do it, and then what I want to do is I want to attract developers I want the kind of developers , to come when there are lots of users, okay, and I want them to listen to the users and I want them to be users, and I want the software just to like attract the good developers who like really like to produce software for users, and that's kind of, then once
we have that, then I feel like, okay, that's, I've attained the success here, that's what I want to do, that's what I'm trying to do, so, you know, I don't want the kind of bug reports that like aim for perfection, because I know I'm not getting the perfection, and I don't have the patience to get the perfection, I know that I could try to get perfection and I would never get there, I could try to get it a lot better than it is, and I would just never ship, it would never
happen, so I'm going to ship for sure, and, but we 're just going to keep trying to take care of the problems, and then of course, I consider this a platform for outline based applications, and I've a bunch more that I know how to got do, like I want to do a blog ging tool for, you know, for this, a really simple, you know, outliner based blogging tool, not built on the meta-web API, not built to work with, you know, the existing blogging tools, although we know
that that's totally doable, that's been done in fact, I think I heard Andrew Grumit talk about that, Andrew has made an outliner that works with Google type out of this code base, and so maybe Andrew will, you know, release that application, and you know, there's all kinds of stuff that's possible, and well known how to do that, but I'm going to do like an outliner that's just, I mean, a podcaster, a, let's get this right, a blogging tool is just designed to work with an
outliner, and a simpler blog ging API that, you know, blog ging API that works with that, and, you know, a lot of reasons for doing that, I mean basically, you know, the developer community hasn't wanted to like unify and coalesce, they wanted to blow everything apart, so you know, I'm not going to fight with them on that one, I'm just going to start something new, and learn from what happened in the last, the communities, and then try to make it work
out a little bit better this time, so, anyhow, Thunderstorm shows no signs of abating, but I do need to get back to work, and God has provided us with a very entertaining backdrop for a podcast, and a rather hell-raising backdrop for a podcast, and so there you have it, that 's today, today June 15th, 2005, and this is Morning Coffee Notes, www.morningcoffeynotes.
com, and I'm Dave Weiner, and my blog is www.scripting.com, and that's where you should tune into for news about the editor that I'm talking about, and all the latest juicy tid bits, and from that, if you're going to be at Nome Dex, here comes another one, if you're going to be at Nome Dex, I look forward to seeing you, that's just like next week, so that'll be cool. Anyway, that's it for today, we'll talk to you again real soon, bye.
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