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a call at three in the morning. It was TASKI saying meet us at such and such, and so I'd go out in the mission district and then some guy laying there with a with a knife in the middle of his belly. I loved it. I mean, I thought it was I love that stuff. TASKI was so unique. He and Armstrong or or nothing alike. Armstrong was, by the book, very reserved. Toski had a flair and he was much more of a dynamic, sort of interesting, you know,

real gregarious kind of guy. That's Duffy Jennings, the former reporter at the San Francisco Chronicle. He worked with Detective Dave Toski, the lead Zodiac investigating for the San Francisco police department tasks. Personality and style won him attention, but it also put him in the crosshairs. The Zodiac had gone quiet and press coverage of him had all but disappeared, but that was about to change. So in April of ninety Zodiac had not been heard from for four years.

There has been no letters, but just in case, the newspaper still put samples of Zodiac's earlier letters and envelopes tacked onto the mail slot cabinet where the copy boys sorted the daily mail, just in case they saw anything that remotely resembled these old letters. So in in April one, one morning, the copy boys are sorting mail. I'm at my desk. I haven't even thought about Zodiac for a long time. A copy boy named Brent Ward walks up to my desk with an envelope in his hand, and

he said, hey, um, take a look at this. Does this look familiar to you? It went off like a flash. Oh my goodness, that definitely looks like Zodiac. A man in a mask robbed and tied and stabbed them, leaving them for dad. Subject stated, I want to report a murder, no a double murder. I did it. A man who wore an evil style executioner's hood, carried the knife and gun and intended to use them. They haven't Arrestie because they can't. I'm not damn Zodiac. Who is the Zodiac

and where is he? From my Heart Radio, How staff works and Tenderfoot TV. This is monster, the Zodiac killer. The Zodiac craved at tension in the media obliged him.

Even the major detective Dave Touski and his suspect Arthur Lee Allen received their share of the spotlight, and their stories provide an important lesson to other investigators, the independent investigators who hunt for the Zodiac on their own, exploring leads that others ignore, finding new suspects that had previously escaped notice, and making connections that others dismissed as coincidence. I got on the phone to call Dave Toski. I

couldn't reach him. He was out of the office. He came back to the office and they told him you got a call from Duffy at the Chronicle. He thinks he has a Zodiac letter, so he came down and together we opened the letter. Dear editor, this is the Zodiac speaking. I am back with you. Tell herb Kane. I am here, I have always been here. That city pig Toski is good, but I'm smarter and better. He will get tired then leave me alone. I'm waiting for

a good movie about me. Who play me? I am now in control of all things yours truly, Zodiac guess San Francisco Police Department zero. He said, I'm gonna take it over to Paul Shimoda for verification. Paul was the documents expert at the US Postal Service. An hour or two later, he called me back and said, Shimoda says it's the guy. So we did a story. Zodiac is back. It's his usual taunting of police for failing to catch him,

and some reference to that city pig Tosky. San Francisco Police displayed a blackboard with excerpts of the latest Zodiac letter. Police are convinced it's authentic. DRD. San Francisco Police Chief Clemdamika said it's the sixteenth letter received from the Zodiac Killer. I'm the first since Letter number sixteen has breathed new life into the investigation of at least six leaders named

on the Zodiac files will be reviewed again. For the last nine years, the Zodiac investigation has been headed by homicide Inspector David Tusky. I had Lewis beating that he was not dead and that he was out there somewhere, and that he would communicate. I was always looking that he would communicate and and not commit an act. A letter I can handle, you know, it's a front page story.

Zodiac had not been heard from for four years. What happened after that was we had a column going on in the paper at that time, a serialized fiction column called Tales of the City, and it was being written by a writer named Armistead Mopan. Mopan's column included a character based on Detective Dave Toski. He'd sometimes received fan mail about that character, anonymous fan mail that Mopan suspected

had been written by Toski himself. Toski is on the fire for writing phony fan letters about himself to a newspaper feature writer, and Mopan today came up with farm more serious charges that there are similarities between the letters Tuski admits writing to Mopan and the most recent Zodiac letter of last April. I received the bogus fan letters in the fall of nine seventy six. I took no official action on them at the time because I regarded

them as harmless. As a harmless if somewhat reckless action on the part of a police officer, I chose to turn the matter over to police only when I noticed certain similarities between the tone of the letters and the tone of the last Zodiac letter. Because there had been no Zodiac news for four years, there were people who thought this was Tusky trying to regenerate interest in the

case and attention on him. So an investigation ensued internally in the police department, and Tusky was questioned about this. He denied that he'd written it. He acknowledged that he had written anonymous notes to Armistead Mopen. His credibility was called into question. The police chief removed him from the homicide detail, put him back in robbery and pawn shop detail, and it was the beginning of the end of his

career on the San Francisco Police Department. This letter and the suspicions around it tarnished his credibility, and ultimately he retired out of the force, having never caught Zodiac and under a cloud of suspicion that was some of his own doing. And I know Dave started to go downhill after that emotionally. Because he investigated over a hundred murders in his career and had all this attention, Dave had

become a icon of his own. He wore an upside down shoulder holster, he wore bow ties, He had his favorite snack, this trademark box of animal crackers, and he had a persona that was gregarious. He was an Italian kid, grew up in San Francisco, and you know it's sad because he loved the attention. Well, I think it affected his work on a day to day basis. I don't believe he ever did write a zodiac letter. I just don't. I just know him well enough to know that that

wasn't true. But he became reclusive after that. This much can be said with certainty. There is no official police clamp on INSPECTATASKI talking with the media. That matter is entirely up to him. He would never talk to another media person besides me. He would tell the story about going back to the Paul Stein crime scene every year on the anniversary to reflect on it, and he was candid with me about how it ate at him that he had never caught the guy Dave Toski died on

January six, two eighteen. Toski is survived by his wife, his two daughters, and two granddaughters. Toski died convinced that Arthur Lee Allen was the Zodiac and haunted by the fact that he was never convicted of the crime. Toskis story of obsession is familiar for many cold case investigators. He's not the only one to get swept up in the Zodiac case, and Arthur Lee Allen wasn't the only

promising suspect. Ed Rust was the Valeo police officer on duty when Darlene Farren was shot and killed at Blue Rock Springs Park. For years, there had been no progress in the case, but then, through a chance meeting at a conference, a suspect would finally catch Rust's interest. They had a guest speaker who was going to do a presentation on the Zodiac killer, a man named Harvey Hines h I n e. S. Who was actually a police

officer his investigation. It started out as a term paper in one of his police classes, and I believe this was somewhere around it in the early nineteen seventies. He began investigating the case on his own and became absorbed in when I met him. This was in late nineties, so he had been working on this case and following it on his own time for all these years and had developed a suspect he felt was the Zodiac Killer as a man named Larry Caine. Harvey Hines was absolutely

convinced that Larry Caine was the Zodiac. There is no question in my mind that my suspect is a Zodiac. Every fiber, every part of my being tells me that he is the Zodiac Killer. He had initially identified him when he went to South Lake Tahoe, where Donna Last had disappeared. Donna Last was a night shift nurse at a casino in Lake Tahoe. She'd recently moved there from San Francisco, and then on September six, after finishing her

shift at two a m. Last disappeared. The next day, a man called her work in her landlord and told them she left suddenly because of a family emergency and wouldn't be coming back. But Lass's car was parked in front of her apartment and there was no family emergency. Police searched her apartment. They found no signs of struggle or anything suspicious, but her possessions were all there and they suspected foul play. Lass was never seen again and

her body was never found. Six months later, on March twenty, a postcard arrived at the San Francisco Chronicle with a zodiac symbol in the corner. It was addressed to reporter Paul Avery and scrawled writing. Attached to the postcard was an image a winter scene from a condo development ad and words clipped for newspapers Sierra Club around in the snow, sought victim twelve peek through the Pines pass Lake Tahoe Areas.

Police and media quick we connected this postcard with Lass's disappearance, and Harvey Hines learned in his criminology class that the crime was still unsolved. Lake Tahoe was only a few hours away, so he drove out to investigate himself. Hines went through the Lake Tahoe police records and started collecting information that he'd later compiled into an extensive report. The following are excerpts of his report, read by a voice actor.

I reviewed the two South Lake Tahoe supplemental police reports filed on March. Both subjects came forward after seeing a television newscast stating the Zodiac Killer had sought his twelfth victim. In the Tahoe area, two women had filed police reports after wondering if a strange man they had encountered might be the Zodiac Killer. The first report was filed by Mary Highlander, a blackjack dealer. At an eyehap, Mary met

a man with horn rimmed glasses. He offered to read her horoscope, telling her he was an expert at the zodiac. He said the reading would take time and asked for her number. When he called her later, he told her that he had to give her the reading in person. Mary arranged to meet him at her house, but something felt off, so she invited her friend Nancy over. When the man arrived, he seemed annoyed at Nancy's presence. He looked at Nancy, indicating that he wished she would leave

him alone with marrying. Nancy stayed, fearing to leave her friend alone with the subject. He stated he had recently read a chart of a murderer and continued talking about this subject, seemingly preoccupied with death. The man was very evasive about questions asked of him by both women, and another woman reported a strange encounter that also occurred around

the time of Donn Alas's disappearance. That woman, who wished to remain anonymous, said that a man sat down next to her at a pizza parlor and struck up a conversation about zodiac signs. He told her he sold real estate and said that a woman he had been watching at work would quote be sorry for rejecting him. The anonymous woman at the pizza parlor felt unnerved and made up an excuse to leave. Hines was intrigued by the police reports, so we interviewed three of Lass's former co workers.

He asked if there was anyone in Lass's life who seemed suspicious or had shown a particular interest in her. I asked the same basic questions of each person I spoke with, without exception. Each person promptly gave me the name of Larry Caine. They all agreed Kine and Donna las knew each other. They said he was mostly a loner. They described him as being strange. He was forty five years old, had dark hair or horned, grimmed glasses, and

had sort of a pot belly. I asked if they knew who he worked for now and They stated they did not know, but thought perhaps for an Alan M. Dorfman, the manager of Arizona Real Estate at the time that the victim, Lass disappeared. Although Haines was working the case in his free time, he used his connections as a police officer to determine Kane had moved to Lake Tahoe from San Francisco right around the time of Lass's disappearance. Kine had multiple social security numbers and names on file.

He'd been arrested ten times between nineteen forty six and nineteen sixty eight, including for battery. A probation report from nineteen sixty four said Kane had sustained brain damage after a head on collision with a cement truck. The report said his injury was serious and that his recent involvements with the law indicated a quote lack of control in self gratification, and scientific studies show that people who've experienced head trauma can become more likely to commit violent crimes.

Hines now had a suspect, but he still had no clue what happened to don Alas he turned back to the zodiacs card, What did it mean pass Lake Tahoe areas and why did it say Sierra Club? Were those phrases clues as to the location of Lassa's body. After leaving the police department, I spent several hours studying the postcard and driving around the lake. I began to notice several signs marking local ski areas, and the postcard made

a reference to areas. He decided to follow the postcard's directions. He drove out of Lake Tahoe, past the ski areas and spent hours trying to find a location somehow related to the Sierra Club. I drove north of Lake Tahoe and found the Claire Tap and Lodge and was a private club for Sierra Club members. Only after getting out of my car and walking up the driveway, I realized the scene was not unlike the picture depicted on the Zodiac postcard. I took pictures of the area without making

contact with anyone at the club. I then left and returned to my motel room. I believed if I followed the directions on the postcard, I would find Donna Lass's grave. I believed she was buried near see A Club. Hines had now identified Kine as a suspect, and he had located a Sierra club outside Tahoe that matched the postcards description,

so Hines returned to the club to investigate. He learned that the town's old postmaster, Mr. Fredericks, had stumbled upon a strange area out in the woods behind the club. Frederick said he thought it was a burial site made out of logs. He described it to me as a circle fourteen ft in diameter, and within the circle was a six ft by six ft square with a triangle within all these made by careful placement of locks. Within the triangle was across like that of a grave marker

made from thirteen stones. Mr Fredericks related that he was very frightened, but he was convinced it was a grave site and took pictures of him. The postmaster led Hines out to the site. We dug a cone shaped hole within the center of the six by six foot area to a depth of approximately four to five ft. No human remains were located, However, indications were that at some earlier point in time, the ground had been disturbed down

several feet. At this point, because of lack of time, I had to return to Sonaro, but Hines wasn't ready to give up. He was still convinced that Caine was the promising suspect. Hines learned that shortly after Lass's disappearance, Kine had moved to Las Vegas, and so Hines too went to Las Vegas to investigate. He asked law enforcement there if any crimes in the area had matched the zodiacs.

M O Sergeant Anderson related the following information. On Sunday, April seventy four, at approximately ten thirty six pm, victim Lull accompanied by her boyfriend Roy. We're in a lover's Lane area of Red Rock Canyon. Well. They were parked. A vehicle approached from the rear. According to the boyfriend, the car was a white convertible with a black cloth top and it was missing its front grill. A man

got out of the convertible and approached their car. He was wearing horn roomed glasses and black gloves, and he was holding a pistol. He then ordered Roy and Lull out of their vehicle at gunpoint. Roy complied, but the victim remained in the vehicle. The suspect then went to the passenger side to remove the victim. While he was occupied. Roy fled and hid in a ditch. The suspect coerced

Lull into his car and drove off. That night, in identified man called Lowell's parents and told them, your daughter's dead.

Two weeks later, Lowell's body was found. She'd been dropped down a mine shaft a hundred and twenty five miles away in San Bernardino County, California, and it appears Lull's killer may have barely escaped capture, at least according to an investigative technique that has become controversial, a NI County deputy sheriff who felt he had made a stop on the suspect's vehicle, was placed under hypnosis and recounted the following information. The vehicle bore a California license plate. The

deputy recalled the suspect getting out of his vehicle. He described the driver as being heavily tanned, wearing a sports type jacket, horn rimmed glasses, and black leather gloves. He further related there seemed to be something strange about the female passenger. He stated she was very still and never turned around to look in his direction or made any movement.

The encounter took place in the middle of a desert, out side of radio range, so the deputy hadn't called in the man's license plate, and no bulletin had been issued about Lull's abduction because police had initially been skeptical of her boyfriend's story, so the deputy let the man go with just a warning. A month later, the boyfriend thought he spotted the killer at the Spring Inn and called the police, but by the time the police arrived, the suspect had left. Hines looked to see if Kane

could be connected to this killing. He discovered that Kane lived just down the road from the Spring Inn. What's more, Heinz said that Kane's old boss, Alan Dorfman, told him that Kane often went to the Spring Inn, and according to d MV records, Kane had owned a white convertible with a black cloth top at the time of Lull's murder. Heinz suspected Kane was responsible for the murders of both Donna Lass and Dana Law. He felt it all lined up too well to be a coincidence. The horn rimmed glasses,

the white convertible, the sighting at the Spring Inn. But even if Kane killed Lass and Lull, was he the zodiac? As Hines continued to investigate the coincidences piled higher and higher. Kane had not only been living in San Francisco during the Zodiac murders, but he lived just a few blocks away from where cab driver Paul Stein had picked up

the Zodiac. He had traded in a car six days after Darlene Ferron was murdered in Valleo and acquired a Tan Sedan similar to the car used to abduct Kathleen John's in her infant daughter. And it wasn't just Kane's whereabouts and his vehicles that seemed to line up. Some of the suspected Zodiac victims, like Kathleen John's, thought Kane was the Zodiac. John's identified Kane out of the lineup of eighteen photos. I asked, are you sure, and she said yes, And it's not just my eyes telling me

I know it in here. And she clenched her blouse with her fingers, nodding into a fist and pushing into the pit of her stomach. I'm dest behind and I'm her behind son. When I was growing up, my dad was talking about the Zodiac since as early as I can remember. In the later nineties, that's when I actually started paying more attention to it, and my father and I had sat down and started looking at the Prince

the fingerprints from the Lake Berryessa killings. After stabbing Cecilia Shepherd and Brian Hartnell at Lake Berryessa, the Zodiac wrote the dates of his killings and his symbol on the door of their car. Apparently he had kind of squatted in his left hand left four prints on the window of the Karma Ghia. So my dad had those prints and his suspect, Lawrence Kane. Larry Kane, he had been arrested for being a peeping tom and so my dad

had the booking prints from that. I scanned them in and used Photoshop to kind of overlay and align the Prince, and what we saw was very distinct, very convincing matchup

of those prints. So my dad made an appointment with one of the investigators at the Vallejo Police Department and we went up there and met with him and we showed him the Prince, and he said that they weren't able to confirm that it was Larry Kane or that the Prince match, but it also didn't discount them, so in other words, it could very well have been the same person. But there just wasn't enough print evidence there

to be able to make a definite match. We wanted to know just how good this fingerprint evidence was, so we spoke to Dr Kimberly Moran. She's the director of forensic Science at Rutger's univer City Camden. We sent Dr Moran a digital version of Kane's booking fingerprints from when he was arrested and the latent prints from the car at Lake Bury Essa. I'm basically flicking back and forth

between the booking print and the latent prints. So looking at the latent fingerprints, they are pretty poor for glass because glass is usually a great substrate and these are very very faint. So is there enough data within that fingerprint? Can you see enough of the ridges and the individual ridge flow. I mean, the right little finger I would rank as no value, The right ring finger I would say, yes, it has value. I can definitely see that this is

a world. I can count individual ridges. The right middle finger. Yes, I would also say that's a print of value. The right thumb. You know, there's too much uncertain but all you need is one finger. You don't need any more than that. Let me look at the booking prints, Okay, so what what this person has marked out On the right ring, They've marked out a scar at the top of the fingerprint. They've marked out two bifurcations where a single ridge splits into two separate ridges. Let me just

compare the two. So looking at the latent fingerprints, I really do not see the scar or these bifurcations. I mean, there's one that maybe I could be talked into, but one point of agreement is just not enough to say these two fingerprints are the same. These probably are not from the same source. I don't feel like there's enough data to say for certain that they're not from the same source. But from what little I can see, I do not think that they are from the same source.

Harvey Hines compiled a report with all of his collected evidence, but no one would take it seriously. The San Francisco police were focused on Arthur Lee Allen, and when Heinz shared his report with the FBI, they seemed interested at first, but nothing came of it. Here's Harvey Hind's son Destri again. One of the interesting things was when a new FBI agent would contact my dad, they'd be interested in the story.

They'd be investigating that they'd you want to know who my dad's suspect was, more about him why he thought that the suspect was the zodiac um And they were always really excited about, Wow, this is this is great information. I'm going to follow up as soon as I get back to the office, I'll give you a call and

we'll move this forward. And they would just go away and my dad would have to call him up and say, hey, yeah, if you followed up on any of this or what's happening with it, and they just wouldn't be able to talk about it. So my dad was starting to wonder if Larry Kine turned witness on someone because he was part of the MOP, he may have turned somebody in and they put him into protection program. Once you go in there, there's just there's limits to what the FBI

can do. And I started investigating you. The mafia connection sounds outlandish at first, but remember Kane's old boss, Alan Dorfman. Dorfman was linked to organized crime. He was indicted by a federal grand jury and convicted of conspiracy to bribe as senator. Three days before his sentencing, he was shot and killed, presumably to prevent him from cooperating with authorities. However, it was difficult to either confirm or dis roof that

Dorfman was actually Kane's old boss. That was information we could only find in Heine's report. I fact, Larry Kane, he was probably a hit man for this syndicate of real estate and developers, and not like real estate and developers you think of today, the guys that were backed by the mob out of the gambling world. My name is writer McDowell, and many years ago I was an investigative reporter and s coovered a lot of kind of interesting crimes. You know, I seem to pursue the psychopaths.

They are the boogeyman, but they don't look like it. So when somebody is exposed as being a mass murderer, he just it's like fascinating. Writer McDowell met Hines in the nineteen nineties and he wrote a long piece about him for the San Francisco Examiner. Somebody had called me up and said, you know, writer, there's this guy that

thinks he's caught the Zodiac killer. And I I had coincidentally recently read that Robert Gray Smith book called Zodiac and was really intrigued Harvey was a really driven guy, kind of shy. There's a sadness around the guy, and he felt that people were mocking him and no one would take him seriously. So I did. I think Harvey was a bit of a crusader, you know, had this kind of quixotic view of good and evil. You know, he was going to get this guy because this guy

was the ultimate bad guy. Early on, the name Kane was floated, and it did make sense in terms of the woman in South Lake tow and then it started to make sense in terms of the taxi driver killing and other things. What's clear is that the guy Larry Caine really was an odd person. You know, he was up to something. One time, Kane asked a female real estate agent to show him a house out in the middle of the desert. She went out there to show this house and there was nobody there, but she went

into the house looking around. You know, you're in the middle of nowhere, really vulnerable, and you realized, you know, well, I'm actually have been more careful than this thing shows up a hearse pulled up and it was a guy from the mortuary and he said, well, I had a call here to pick up a body and it was just so creepy, and this so freaked out this woman that she just quit her job. And Larry Kane was just a creepy, odd character full of stories like that.

Writer wanted to get Kane's side of the story, but Kane kept a low profile. I finally got his number, and I got it in some clever way because it was unlisted and he had this kind of recording you could buy that had Alfred Hitchcock, Writer prepared himself to talk with the man he thought might be the Zodiac killer. Bring out leave your name and numba and we're with them your core vish breathe interruption. It was so chilling

if that really was, And I almost forgotten that. Eventually, writer did meet Larry Kane, and Kane denied being the Zodiac. I interviewed Kane one time. He was a very creepy guy, but not so you'd necessarily notice if you're behind him

in a store or something. I don't know what his life is like, but he lived in this condo and walk around and go into town and have coffee and and his voice is so um it had this Brooklyn accent, you know, this New York accent seemed to me that that would have been noticeable and either the phone calls to the cops or at Lake DARRISA but writer says one time he played a recording of Kane's voice to Brian Hartnell, the survivor of the Lake Barry Esa stabbing,

and he said there was similarities too, because it was a little bit of a hiccup. Cane. He would not stutter, but there was a little kind of pause. But but I am confident who wasn't Larry Kane. Hart Behinds did have a certain amount of tunnel fishing, which was fascinating because he seemed to have chanced upon this this other bad guy. You know, he had been a keeeping tom for years and some kind of gun story that he pulled a gun on a couple of people, and you know,

he was up to no good. I've all added up to being a really odd character that probably capable of murder. But it was frustrating dealing with Harvey because in the beginning he would get a clue, somebody would tell him something, and then he would just go there, and he wouldn't chronicle all the steps, and so I couldn't really unwind us and go back and see what who did you talk to you there? What was this? Because I was really going over this with a fine tooth calm. I

don't think he fabricated anything. I think you just so oversell us that he would go to the next thing. And I think it was like a pit bull. But again, like a pit bull, he raised the head without getting his facts tight. Harvey Hines and Larry Caine have now both passed away. Although Hines could never find any conclusive evidence against Kane, he went to the grave convinced that Larry Kane was the Zodiac. But the more you look into the Zodiac case, there's so many guys like the

Harvey because it's it's such a compelling case. It brought the amateur sleuths out of the woodwork, and it really had an interesting way of doing that. I think Harvey was part of that legion of amateur sleuths, even though he was a policeman by day. Harvey Hynes was a precursor to a huge movement in the Zodiac investigation in the nineteen nineties. The Internet brought access to a treasure trove of Zodiac related information, and independent investigators like Hinz

would go on to make major discoveries. One of the first websites dedicated to the case was Zodiac killer dot com. My name is Tom Voyd and the webmaster at Zodiac killer dot com. There was nothing on the internet back then about Zodiac. It's a lot of porn that was it. So I decided I wanted to get some Zodiac stuff

on the web. When I finally got my own website, there were people I was talking to who had the Zodiac information that I wanted, and they thought that since I had a website, that I must be like a genius or a millionaire or some secret agent or something, and so they would give me documents and tell me information that that they would never have told me. For over twenty years, these amateur investigators have been sharing information

across Void's website. They even meet up in person on the anniversaries of the crimes to discuss the case and honor the victims. We met Tom Voyd in a large group of these self described zodiologists at a restaurant in Vallejo. It was the night of the fiftieth anniversary of the

murders of Betty lu Jensen and David Faraday. We've done a lot of these events called them task force meetings, and the first one was in two thousand two in Riverside, and it went really well, and there were people that showed up and had good information to share, and so I started doing them, you know, yearly. The big payoff of b if there's ever a conclusion and it turns out my suspect is is the zodiac. So I got Angie. Angie's this. I've just proposed her today at crimes. This

is Angie. So I've met Angie at Lake Berry, SA in two thousand four. That's where we met. It was invitation only, you know, people had to red cabins and I didn't want to be a cabin next to some nut I'd never met or anything like that. You took a chance on me. Well, we communicated through you know, through you me on stuff. I'm still like kind of

a denial. I mean, we've been together for fifteen years, but I never in a millionaires expecting to get down on is the I hadn't been there in a long time, and I wanted to see it in the fog. It was really cool. He was talking about how he doesn't want it to be a sad place anymore, and that there should be something good to think about when we come back. So I never thought I would get formally engaged at a crime scene. Yeah, that's what I can

honestly say. I can't imaginely happened to other place. Well, I kind of can't either, honestly. We're all, I mean, liquorious, and maybe it would have been a little more appropriate. But that's okay. Maybe we'll get married there. Who knows. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, we're back Lake Herman. It's all a blur at some of the anniversaries. I'm so sick of. I didn't want to do this again, these gatherings and so forth. It's just we want to just make some advancements, you know, and get something major.

I think I've come up with something major. It's an interesting bit of information that nobody knew about before. And I think we're fifty years I do it. It's time to solve the case. Next time one monster, the Zodiac Killer. I have thousands of theories and tips proclamations from people who believe they've solved the Zonia. A lot of people have criticized it and ripped it apart online and called

me an idiot. One person said that they wouldn't have been more surprised if I had named the Easter Bunny. People are so influenced by the fact that three of those coades didn't get solved. Well, they're just rubbish. There's no solution to be had. It's just fake news. Zodiac could have edited. There is a sort of intoxicating effect when you plug in what do you think Zodiac might have said, and it happens to fit. If you're walking around and you have no idea what happened and who

the Zodiac is, then he could be anybody. He could be your uncle, he could be a guy living next door or whatever. But if someone tells you, oh, I know who it was, and he's locked up in prison or it's dead or whatever, that's comforting. It's comforting to think, oh, they solved it. It's been figured out. Monster the Zodiac Killer is a fifteen episode podcast produced by iHeart Radio,

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