93: Higher Infinite Power

occurring for August 30 2023, episode number 93. Well, what did you not expect us to? Oh yeah, experienced the unexpected here. I'm Adam curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country. Time once again to spin the Wheel of topic from here to Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on the other end Mr. Mo facts I don't have them. Mo. I'm doing about yourself.

I'm doing great. You got the tag line down the unexpected experience?

Yes. We didn't even discuss that beforehand. But it always is kind of something. I was just talking to Tina, before I walk in the studio says oh, what are you guys talking about? I don't know. To what? You got his clips. Don't use it. Yeah, get the clips. Whoa, don't you look at our that just numbers and know their titles? Don't you look at him? No, no, where's the fun in that?

You get them like maybe what like 10 minutes before the show. You don't have a lot of time to do a lot of examining

No, I do zero examining. That's the whole point is what is this? By the way? What does this track that we're listening to this opening track?

This is souls of Mr. 93 to infinity or probally? So

I've never heard this never heard. Yes. I love the show. 93 connection, but I've never heard this before. I like it.

Oh, this is hip hop. Classic. Classic of classic. Oh, man. This is when the sound started to change. But I guess would be a great time to go and spin the wheel.

Oh, hold on a second. Let's do that. That's

This is a journey into sound.

I know this I know this. I know this particular clip. I know this clip it's from this is a journey into sound. Is it the stereo test? Album?

Yes. And then also from raw Eric being Rakim fame.

So okay, that's right. I forgot about that. Because I don't I don't play my Eric being Rakim records that often anymore.

So you probably wonder what this all means. What this means is this is the long awaited quote unquote Hip Hop episode episodes. Right? I told you I had a large bucket list of shows I wanted to get to hold on

a second. Let me Is this the one? Is this the episode where we find out how an evil small group of men have completely controlled hip hop to control the inner cities and thus America

eventually, but what we have to what we have to do first is understand what it is they are controlling. I don't know if you know or know this or not. It's been in the news the 50th anniversary of hip hop.

Yes, as celebrated by a Jay Z tribute to himself.

And we have them all over the place. Everybody's taking their part and their song claimed who owns hip hop? Is it a DA slash FBA is a worldly, who all was involved. What I hope to do is lay out the case of what is once I'll say it again, what is actually being discussed what is being controlled, and you have to lay out lay a strong foundation. This may assure there's going to be a multiple episode. Venture. Okay? I'm sure

No 1860 There are roughly 4 million enslaved Africans in the United States forcibly transplanted to a new land. They've brought with them a rich African heritage, including songs against adapted to reflect the experiences of life of hard labor on

Now if I'm listening to the day Ah, here, it seems like hip hop is a little older than 50 years Mo

is very much. Well, hip hop is the latest iteration of the Negro spiritual. It started there. And as he listed out with the gospel blues, jazz, rock and roll on to a rhythm and blues, and then hip hop. And that's where we're at with it right now. And this is it's the power that's being controlled is trying to be harnessed and control is the same power.

How was the power? Back in those days? I mean, was it? Was it power? Was it? Is it comparable to power? Back in the days of the of the slaves?

I hope to answer that question as we lay out the show, but I have to this is just the origin, that there was no instrument at the time that we were the instruments. And I think I would say a hip hop is American, quote, unquote, a das invention, because I believe it's the merging of the English language, the power that's in it, and itself, we know, this is a magical spell casting language. And then the rhythm that powered, you know, quote, unquote, paid off people. All

slave songs of the United States. Wow. Published in 1867, you know, two years after the end of the Civil War? What do you know about the book? Well, very little, you know, there is something that caught my attention. And it's in the first paragraph, if you don't mind, I'd like to read it to you. Okay. The musical capacity of the Negro race has been recognized for so many years that it is hard to explain why no systematic effort has hitherto been made to collect

I love their script. While this is a great story, okay, let's

go, Oh,

we're doing some more casual here.

As they alluded to, it's the power that's behind it. And I don't know if you notice, in our very many people know

Okay, no, I didn't know that. And I'm surprised actually, I never knew it was an acronym.

Yes. Or, I don't know if that's the genesis. The Genesis is a hip hop. It comes from hip which hip means cool, which goes back, we got to look at the hippies plan to that, you know, we're cutting the beat mix. And this is episode was impossible. Because there were so many rabbit. There was so many rabbit holes that you can go down where these terminology came from. But it was later to be understood. That's what it stood for. And that's what I hope to lay out and needs. At

Well, this is this is the right question. I don't know the answer.

So that's what we had to get into the Grand move along into Part Three

to the enslaved African. What did the songs

Alright, just just because I like doing show notes, and I went and looked up in the in a dictionary hip hop. Already these acronyms have been captured. Listen to this homeless and indigenous population health outreach project, and healthy individual people helping other people. Oh, there you go. Don't forget your higher power is for homeless.

Well, that that is a microcosm of what I'm talking about the harnessing

that power Yeah, I got you.

And we're gonna just to do a little foreshadowing the call and response, the chance at these units you've documented over the years. That is part of

and I love that eventually we're gonna get into a part where I was actually a part of it of of the mainstreaming of hip hop,

right? Oh yes. But that's why I could have started it there. But oh no, no

no no no no I

always when you lay the bed raw, you know the foundation and and make a lot more sense. And speaking of laying the foundation and bedrock, we have to go back to

Okay, here we go. This is the Highlander school song.

It was in the civil rights struggle that Highlander became most famous and famous for a song. How that happened is a textbook example of Highlander working exactly the way it was

Now you rang your bell?

Yeah, that I will just explain that we have many songs. But as you just laid out with the hijack in the afternoons, they picked this one song, remixed it. So it's easier, easier to march to evey activation in itself. I mean, what is it? And I would like to bring up one example, in modern

and let me just hone in on that right down to the instrument used. It's a frequency that resonates with a certain certain population of people. Just like, you know, the 808 may, it may resonate differently with different people. So you're absolutely and also this was a, this was a visual hit.

Yes, you know,

that's, that's there's an important difference there. And it's amazing, it actually reminds me of early or for me, early hip hop in the late 80s, when hip hop was seen, as you know, the hood CNN. And this is kind of like rural America, CNN is like, hello, look at me, let me tell you what's going on out here.

And this may be the motive for why they're trying to hijack these movements because your your quote, unquote, their cultural revolutionaries are not going to come from upper middle class or rich. They're going to come from where you get an understanding, and then you can voice it in a certain way. So people

were talking about this guy like he was Bob Dylan in the 60s, you know that and I think to a degree, it's now short, we have a much shorter attention span. But at home it really it was so good. That right away, it's like, we have to serve as videos. This guy's a shill. He's no good. He's controlled opposition. A lot of stuff went in there all of a sudden,

that's the hip hop keeping it real easy, real easy, really real. Are you industry plant. All of this when the term keeping it real? That's what it meant. Is it did it come from, you know, the authentic place they're speaking about or is it industry is it corporate? Right? And we're, as we get down the show, it will make it will be crystallized. Hopefully But now

The words we're saying, have have a double meaning. So anytime you hear anything about traveling shoes, or chariots a wheels, somebody's getting ready to run. And so you take a negro spiritual Swing low, sweet cherry. Common for to carry me sweet. Oh, sweetie che very common for to carry me home. That chair it is movement, that chair to swing and low picking you up, putting you on that

Oh my god, this is great. This is a masterclass you picking all the all the bells, this is fantastic. Of course, everyone knows everyone in America knows this song, I would hope. And you can kind of think about it. But man, she just put it in like 60 seconds, she put it all together there for us. I love that.

And then we're transferring information, meaningful information back and forth. You know, to people I was about to head north. You know, and you knew what that meant, and you'll be gone. And as I was doing my research, the racism, creativity you put into racism just amazes me sometimes. Because I felt this racial slur called the moon cricket, the moon cricket. Yes, this is a racial slur for black people. And I'm going to show you how we put so much energy in doing the

level of racism, which is basically the N word.

Well, what I was saying is, you have the option, but they have to get more creative with it. It just baffles me I just I thought I'll share that. But, um, so this is Reverend Velma Thomas. And you can hear, as they say, in the church, and we're gonna go to church here for a little bit in a minute. The anointing on her voice you can hear in her voice is that certain thing that resonates? I don't know if it

when she's saying when she's singing, right? Oh, well, it resonates in me as a human being.

Of course, but I'm saying like the same way that North Irishmen didn't resonate with me. I was like cool song but it isn't the frequency. I'm not saying the message or whatever. It's their frequency that does didn't register with me to my ears the way their tone, right like, what were her is the certain tenor and her voice. That is in the church they call it Nora in in modern day they call it drip. Is that thing that makes you go from kin sang to consign insane

I got you I got you of course. Oh,

just Okay, so number six.

We talked about waiting no water. wait and wait, Wade, Wade Wade wade in the water, because God's gonna trouble the Whoa Oops, we stepped in that water because the dogs can't pick up your sin. We had all these songs that said it's time to move, it's time to go by the waterways time to follow the Northstar. It's time to start looking, it's time to start traveling. It's time to start getting ready to cross over that Jordan into freedom. Steal away to Jesus all gone to heaven. No.

You know, I realized that in all the racism that's discussed in, in the in our country in the United States on it seems like a daily basis. This part of slavery is really not discussed much at all. It's always about the bad master and how horrible it was and, and Building America on the back of

And mess. In my opinion, that's purposely done. Because you don't want to have people be inspired. This like this is the whole reason for the hijacking of the music and culture. Because I'll have to do this. But J Edgar Hoover is known for saying first of all, yes, I'm gonna show hiding black.

I was gonna say we all know he's black. We all know he's a brother.

The self hating black man, J Edgar Hoover allegedly, um, was known as being very cautious and conscious of this black Messiah figure that was going to raise up have the ear

you seen any of the remixes of that song have because that that's what I thought was hip hop esque. It's like hold on a second. Now we got guys, we got we got white guys in in the farmlands rapping over over this song. And that to me was what was really exciting about it. I

wish they had to do that because they had to resonate with a certain demographic. Yeah. And you saw this even in hip hop's southern hip hop was totally different frequency than northern hip hop and West Coast hip hop. So I mean, it's either an intra group, as I like to say, if you have any different frequencies that it just doesn't register, but fast forwarding to this control mechanism. It goes all the way back to slavery, per Judge Joe Brown, and he was speaking on this phenomenon

within an inch. Not so much because it was very early, but later on, the slave masters were instructed to go in with their fellow slave owners and buy a steroid. There was a peculiar attribute they wanted this to happen. They also wanted him to make a good preacher. So make the stood preacher and allow slave marriage. So the slave male would find out that when his female wife, well, his wife was believed to be in heat. Does slave masters would bring over the stud preacher to sleep

I love the little comment today. Ah, wow. Yeah.

This is how the plant type this was plantation policies. Go ahead. No,

that's exactly right. It's like this is the real if you really want to understand what's going on, this is the stuff that's going on. We all know about the clippings and the koonta Kente and the beatings and all this but I love this because now you're getting into the into what it was really like in fact, you are tuning my frequency Hermo I like it.

And it's still like because the same way to enhance Thurs back then they have athletes and celebrities now you're LL Cool J's of the world. And what I mean by the quote unquote, sports world,

oh, man, you're gonna pick on him.

Know what I'm saying is the fact that he was able to start in the early 80s and maintain this lane of being the Fit hip guy, you know, do capable i Well, I mean, one of the top rappers there is

he worked I think we've talked about him before that he would be up at 1775 Broadway in my MTV days and we walk in and then we had a it was for executives, you know, the whatever the 15th floor, and there's a you know, like an executive kind of waiting room where you'd wait until you were called LL Cool. J would be up there all the time. Of all he would always have meetings with the executives, he worked it and so I gotta put props on his name for that he really worked it.

No, no, what I'm saying is no, he's one of the best and you you can make an argument for him being the actual goal of rapping for longevity not in my book, but it's a case to be made. My issue is that he was sold as the buff rapper you know 50 cent the same way yeah, this this is a just a reiteration of this quote unquote stood that you know, this physical behemoth and this at the same time was had a set

How does Reverend I'll do it though I'm I'm surprised Oh, well.

Oh, move past though. Maybe we will get back to the river owl at a later date because he does plan to this as well. But these words this mastering of words, some a lot

and the law says Sol sol, sol sol, sol sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol. Sol, and you're ready to move now. But you've been going up until the time you ain't got nowhere else to go. So you start strain All right now no reflection that Evie is a master at his own art in his own way. But you notice Evie, Evie? Hallelujah EV can go up No. All right, because he's not a naturally

This is this is very interesting. This is anyone who's been on stage with a microphone knows that when you have a group of people and you're able to capture their attention, you can you can vary just with words and just with your your rhythm and the tone. You can you can manipulate, manipulate, you can, you can move the people, like the simplest one is everybody happy. I said is everybody, any on today's DJs, you get a TFS, Delta drop. It's all the same

And it's capturing I think the word best fits as your capture the audience, they're locked in with you. They're, they're on the same beat as you because you got to have a beat to hell call and response. And you hear the whole time as he's doing. And he's just doing so and so SO and SO SO and SO. But the feeling and him running up that scales, it takes the people up emotionally. And this is that frequency I'm talking about

I have a little bit of exposure to it as a new Christian art. Our church is a Bible Church, but it is inspired on Baptist churches. And from time to time we'll have a visiting pastor, there's a das Pastor, I forget where he comes from. And Matt, he grabs people, and everyone's always happy when he shows up like, oh, okay, this is gonna be exciting. It's gonna be something new. And he has that rhythm. And he's able to, he's able to do it with white people, too. Yeah,

it's one time. And so the last song, so songs Oh, and he went on and you see, and he came on down, the Lord said, and I will go on down my brother and my sister. And so and so song. So I'm where I want to be see, because I've found my key. All right now. Now, what does this mean? Since I've found where my tune is most comfortable that it means simply this, that if I met the key white one, and I'm tuning good, because I'm relaxed down here, it means that if I can go nowhere else, I can at

Cool. Two points I want to make I left the room for you to make it just in case you caught. Do you know where? Where you've heard this before? This is Hillary Clinton.

Oh, it's funny, has

no ways tie it. That's what she was trying to do.

No more. Yeah. Right. Which we call it what code switching? Right? But

this is the science that she was trying to tap into. And Obama slightly does it. You know, he does it just enough to tune you know, he's what they call a tuner. He's not a Hooper. And it's different category that we're going here because this is the different flows this in hip hop.

Ah, actually, while I was listening to that, you know what sprung to mind. Of course, Hillary makes sense. When Eddie Murphy and Arsenio Hall in their movies, they do they do they do a take off of a preacher.

Yeah, though. I'm coming to America. Yes. Yeah. That's a pageant at the beauty. I was like, it was like a beauty pageant. A fundraiser. Yeah. And just another recent phenomenon. Remember the kid in Tennessee with the big afro. And he gave that code sweet speak. They got everybody all round up. It was a black kid. Oh,

yeah. When he was in, in the state senate. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah. All of a sudden, this is this. Right. Right. Right.

So it's a it's a very powerful science. And I just want I'm what I'm trying to do is I'm trivialize it, and if people understand the power of spoken word, then they will understand using this manner, they will understand what is the power of hip hop and why it has to be correct. Okay. All right. This is the final part three.

So since I'm down here now, the law says Han Solo songs Oh songs back to where it was and 9.9 tenths of the time because I went down and got to tune

James Brown James Brown right there jailed waiting for Sol

Sol. So in essence what I'm telling you is this when you go up to the bottom of your assignment if you have found person that can shift and not naturally gifted and maybe some of us who are gifted in may have the gift to even be most of what you do is go up to that point all the loud and hard and drive all you want. But when time to tune, talk your way back down to where you comfortable level off and when time to holla you can you can you know you go with ease, go back to where you were.

what was the context of this moment? Because I love Oh, I love this what was it from

this was a seminary seminary seminar. Those are other preachers in the room. Okay, that he was instructing you know, all school because he got like the white folding pad. It was in the marker showing you how to go on the scale it but this is what rap keeps saying about how the drill at home. When you hear these people rapping in the bars coming out of their mouth. It's registering with the same magnitude got it different in different manner, but same magnitude.

How do you think that that is? Because it's cultural? Or is it truly embedded in the human the resonance to these frequencies?

I think we're all on different timings. Because when you go around the world, Chinese music moves on a different time signature. Yeah.

No, I remember being in Thailand. I was in a state of doing a documentary and at a hill tribe up near the Burmese border. And it's basically all only the women the men are all zonked out in the opium den. And at night, they you know, they say, oh, we'll do it. We'll do our special festival party for you. And, and so and they had this rhythm and dance, I could not get into their rhythm. And they'd laugh at me like, Oh,

Well look, the same thing with us. You know, what's the South American music Samba? I think it is also salsa, you know? I think it's another one too. Well, I mean, just the rhythms are different. And if you're not on that time, timing, it's just impossible to catch. And now I think we all have a unique timing Terrassa now you can train yourself. All this can be learned. I'm not saying it's you know, it's exclusive to

Been a while since I've watched American Idol. I'll be honest with you, but I can see what you're saying.

Even in the inception of it, you know, it was this what they called blue eyes. So I'm Justin Timberlake listen to this a little bit in our cars when he went from instinct to the solo career totally, totally. I mean, cooling the gang row a lot of songs from him. So he it's the same things that timing, The Rolling Stones they picked up off Muddy Waters and Howlin Wolf and all those it can be learned. But with all I say that when you start learning other people's stuff, it becomes

Mr. Graham ball.

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deputies. Seven deputies.

Yes, serendipitous.

There we go. We got two of us. We'll get there. We'll get

the actual we'll see there. It was like this exactly. One time Going about it's amazing that you hadn't had no clear doing that. And you had no clue I was doing this show mystery shows where it lines up because it's the freedom to let people choose. You know, if you do that, and then it can't be hijacked. Quick aside,

yeah, no, that's okay. Just to keep that aside for a moment, I just did episode five of booster grand ball. And here's the things that that really struck me coming from a radio background. First of all, the in mainstream radio, your selection is very limited. Yeah, you got decades of back catalogue. But the stuff that you actually wind up playing on almost any radio station is a very small, maybe 100 songs,

And what what I believe you done is really centered the DJ into the middle of the music conversation,

the discovery mechanism, this is this is what radio used to be, you'd listen to your favorite radio DJ, because he Oh, he's playing something cool. Oh, listen to this, not because he had the funniest jokes, or the quips or, you know, the one liners, which is kind of what radio has become today. And the music has become a secondary, almost like tapestry. You know, that's just on the wall of, of putting the DJ Center as a funny man or comedian that really came in the

Well, we didn't lose it. It was replaced with the algorithm, this gesture algorithm. Yeah, well, that will just feed you instead of a human actually curating you know, and saying, Okay, I'll thank you. If you like my tastes, and I think you quote unquote, dig these records. Yeah. And people will call in and say, I liked that one. Or the next one, you get

good because I'm expecting some more facts music to be uploaded pretty soon. I know you got Oh, yeah, I know, you got it.

This my first love, I can't lie. And this is why this show is so important to me. But let's get back to the hooping and this is Dr. Edward L. Branch, and his take on it for us.

In the African American church world, it is an integral

so it's different things and it's different levels to like Are we wrapping is there is different levels to you might come wrong words together will make me a rapper

You mean like Vivek?

Exactly. To put him What I mean is, quote unquote competent rappers that like okay that's pretty good. When is the next level when it one thing I wanted to bring up before was with sermons there's the three eyes, right? There's information, interpretation and inspiration. So the information

Your, your buckets are filled, right.

And it carried you through the week. And the reason why this is so important, and we got to think about back met. Church was the social club church was the spiritual hospital. It was the centerpoint for a very long time. And this is why when they want to get people to get clout, that without a revenue from your name, yeah, right, Reverend Al Sharpton, Reverend Jesse Jackson go down the line, because that gave you a certain credibility. And I think that's move forward

It's funny, I always felt that Whitney Houston, had

No, in this story say that she was the wild west in the couple

I know. Yeah, I know. But I'm just saying how it always looked from the outside. Like, there comes Bobby Brown. Now. Yeah. Agreed. But that she started in the church. And it had a lot to do. No, I think it had a lot to do with, with her relationships in general. But then her music also changed. Her music also went away from that. Yeah, there was a certain point that Whitney was very programmatic pop songs in my mind. And

it's funny that we go this way. But it's, it's very important to bring this up at one point, and black music when she first was making her rise. Quote, unquote, the streets rejected Whitney Houston, because she was seeing at this rich kid, quote unquote poser on a side quote unquote too much, but I don't want to be my think may make people think I'm saying this about her. But it was, you know, she's a poser, her small city, Houston. She was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. She

though. I remember interviewing her at the time. She was like, Yeah, because we were in Holland. So we kind of knew a little bit about what was happening with her. And that rejection, although many of the just getting in we'd have the internet. So the information didn't flow as fast. And she would say, you know, I'm just seeing and I'm just who I am. I'm just saying who I am. And she was, she was she seemed very

Wish it was who she was. She was born on third base. I mean, we can talk about in the news industry. Her mom was a legend in the in the church and secular music, you know, so you can't say it's not but what happened was she was somewhat rejected, because of the authenticity is like that's, that doesn't resonate with us. You know, I'm from St. Louis, Michael Jackson. You know, that's what the whole bad video was about was. Man, I'm trying to make something different here

And that was kind of the beauty of all of Anthony, is he said, Hey, you know, people offering me millions of dollars, I'm not interested. I'm just me. I'm not interested. I don't want to do any of it. I'm just making songs in my backyard. So So we hear.

Right? I think we stopped that too. Yep. Let's go and get into number three. Women? No, I think we know excuse me, number 12. Number 12. Hooping is,

is an art form. And it is. And it is based on musical scales. Okay. As I was as I was saying, and usually the person who is a Hooper is familiar with, and in many cases, also gifted as a singer. And who, and though they may not know, mechanically, and it's intellectual lay exactly what

Yeah, music theory totally.

Via spoken word. That's the weird thing about it, like so? Is it actually singing? Or is it spoken word? The same thing without rapping? Is rapping just a poem? On a beat? Or is an actual music within itself? Right? So we're peeling back this onion. To see which way it goes in, this is going to get me 13

I had a friend, I had a friend who I mean, he would tell me, he says, You know, I get my hook together. And then I decide what I'm gonna preach. And, and he he was a tremendous super,

While there is there is a Baptist version white Baptist preacher versions called the holy wine and w h i n e,

is that is that um, was called fire and brimstone. Southern Baptist is part

of that and putting it high. Putting that

you know who, you know who has a similar cadence to that? Oh, Alex Jones, who, when he gets the rolling light, well, he's really on his

roll. Yeah, you're right. He has

that Southern Baptists. That's why I knew exactly what you were talking about when you said that. It's that old time churched wood floor you're saying feeling? And what brought my attention to this because I was just like, This is what we do. But I remember like on public access television, they had these two church shows that used to come home. One was a Spanish, but he had this Zach cadence. I have a hoper. And I was like, Okay, well, okay, I'll just file that

That's exactly true. We were on the outside of a hotel. With a lot of preachers standing around I can't remember just what the occasion was. But he said Jasper, this is my Luther King Jr. Saying Jasper Jasper that voice the way you do your voice can you show me how to do that? I said king I don't need to show you how to do that. What do you mean jazz but you don't need to show me how to do that. I said because you got that ring

huh Is that why you're

talking about yeah interesting because it's like a crossover I'm okay I'm okay was a crossover artists

that's exactly why I think he if true that not all will be the reason why he wanted to hope is like that I Have a Dream speech will fly for the nation. But when you go back home to these down south churches you gotta come with with the real me not not taking anything away from Dr. King. But as you see, even himself with his story is true. He was like this resonates with a certain crowd but I need to I need to reach another kind of crowd. And what is similar to what you were

You know when he was when he came down at his feet for now need no sleep

Oh, that's another way of reading scripture. That's great.

Didn't When did you pick up the BB King and the James Brown? Oh,

yeah, all of it. Of course, of course, the I even hear Eddie Murphy's, you know, take off and Oh, my God, what did you just say? I mean, it's all in there, it's all in there.

And Mr. space for the call and I had to stop, I know you're gonna hit your mark is the audience, everybody's on cue and time to hit bear, you know, call and respond and out. And I'm going up the scales musically at the same time as pasting the crowd. If I don't know if you've ever been in an environment with that, well, there is electricity. And this is why a lot of people Jim Jones, and, you know, use the pulpit to pull off mass mind control, because that power is

the simplest, everybody say, hey, hey, everybody say how? Oh, I mean, even that's the simplest form of

In even if you don't know what they're saying, here's an example of African origin or color response, followed by an American version of

musical musical with the cardi cadeau. devote most of my brain Yeah, yeah, both they allow focus. We both said, do what I do it everybody just got back from England. Everybody's talking about the rockin claim. Love it. I just finished my tour in Germany. I just dove into it. I went on down in Sweden, last October in Belgium. And I went oh god in France. I went over in Australia. Everybody's shaking. Now rocking. And all that. Good. And I just made it back around to that to know that it's time

Richard, Richard, of course. I love that. I love bands like Pom Pom, the bands and the crowd. Everybody is in rhythm and it's totally in sync. I love it.

That's the rhythm. I'm speaking of it. You heard it with even African example. I don't know what the heck they were saying. But they were on time. And even even his delivery wasn't the same every time. Right? It was shorter than longer, but they were still hitting it right on time. So you may people may ask, well, that's trivial. What are you? What are you talking about? All right. This is where the story gets

react because everyone had to move, pull the pipes at the same time,

simultaneously, Tommy 16.

The work calls these retired railroad laborers are demonstrating grow out of a tradition they helped shape in the segregated south. It was primarily African American men who served as the custodians of the railway lines playing and maintaining tracks by hand labor. These section crews were no As Gandy dancers. They work for companies like the southern lnn and seaboard, doing what was considered the most physically

Man, I never hear this when they're talking about racism. This is good. The color I like it.

So this is a metaphor in itself that left unattended if we get on the same frequency moving the same way.

You are capable of anything capable of moving railroad tracks that are need to be straightened through rock

capable of doing more than the individual parts can do alone. It's like that. So one plus one equals three mentality. And I think that the people that want to control this world understand that, and this is the reason why they had to keep it under their thumb. Now I'm gonna go this might be a Space Jam reach. But I don't know if you've watched space. Watch

Oh, yes. I mean, this has been, I think the most recent example that a lot of people know about is Hitler's boy.

Gubbels. Yeah, who would

play Ride of the Valkyries? Before every speech that would rile people up? You know, there's the whole 432 hertz and changing the changing where a starts all this stuff? Sure.

Every drummer has a every army has a drummer.

Yes, exactly. Yes.

Every hour, okay, how old army is every drill, every army has a drummer. And it's something to that beat itself to that cadence. And it's something to the collective effort, which you got to have timing just like when a motor or anything else, the gears have to be spinning on a certain timing with the timing built to maximize force, which I think that this is where the control comes in. They are fearful as they shouldn't be.

Oh, this is gonna be interesting with the value for value music system we've started they're not going to take that lightly is what I'm thinking now.

Know when the big guys show up like curry? Curry. She would know how to go Yeah,

sure. Sure. GBG Exactly.

Had one, one fellow he was saying he was a good son. And he's saying to him and he said I got the St. Louis Blues. Blues I can be I got St Louis move. There blue that can be so we had whiteboard would make him saying to you know Miss Chang and get it to showtime saying that saying. So he's saying. He said I got the same day. out, they say, Hey, I got same damn thing. And we would always boost him saying,

Oh, that's good to know.

Go to show you that man and, man, the same boat. But there's different. You know, this is what is perplexing about the race conversation. Because you can have people in the same socio economic levels are close. But there's still a difference. And can you explain it? It's hard to explain, and they do a great job of confusing everybody with it. But this is why I mean, you had this conversation, but help because

how about this for a second? So and the reason is, as you pointed out, right on early on, is frequency. What is light and color? Frequency just a different frequency? Yeah, it's frequency, but it's a different frequency. So as long as we're going through this, I'm thinking, Yeah, you know, people will resonate differently based upon frequencies that are inherent to them. So even melanin can have, you know, Kim to have a different frequency. I'm thinking now that's part of what this is.

I think every frequency is needed. It's like saying, Oh, we only want certain bands that light you know, we don't need Roy, it will say just give me dB.

Yeah, good point.

So all of his needed, you know, but at the same time, you can manipulate those frequencies and make them look like you want to and it's kind of like what a diode right? Yeah, a light emitting diode. You can tune that frequency to make it whatever color you want it to be right on. So this is the mass mind control. So going for it. Here's an example of a

telecon, West Virginia. Tear at the foot of the Allegheny Mountains, lives a decommissioned railroad tunnel, known as the Great Ben. According to folklore, this was the site of a famous legend from the 1870s. About a superhuman railroad worker. John Henry the legend is that John Henry was 662 180 pounds, musculus

Yeah, it's one of my favorites. John Henry in the main factor, you know, we have two Bitcoin miners. Yeah, the House One of them is Rosie the Riveter. That's Tina's and mine is John Henry. Seriously? Yeah. Yeah. The machine had to have a name right? Just fall on the network. Right? I'm like, What's the most famous minor I know John Henry.

And then John Henry battled the machine.

Did I know I know without any one and then the way I remember the story he died of a heart attack right on the spot after he beat the machine.

Yeah, God was correct. It was worth it. But not as it's amazing to use John Henry as the name because this is what read me being me who I am. You know, they break out these books. I'm like, give me the black character. You know, this is and it was okay. John Henry. But you know what, as I look back Back to 2020 when I was doing this

A lot of the size the stature, yeah, physical look

at those statues that they made of George Floyd. It's the imagery is there and we're talking about subconscious things resonate with us, we that we don't even realize resonate with us. Wow. And it didn't resonate to me until I heard her start describing, you know, John Hendricks features and things like that. And so I like George Floyd, which is that was that a manipulation tactic? Who knows? Or is it

something that just that is inherent and people gravitate toward it? Because that story has been told for generations?

Right? And this is the archetype for what I was talking about before the 50 cents the LL Cool J. Yeah, LeBron James, even you know, these myth these superhuman, you

As the story goes, there was a competition between John and Mr. C, which is the drill farms into the side of a mountain in a single day. During the contest, the strength of John is so powerful. The blows from is twin sledgehammers, the mountain itself. The story is that the steam drill only went nine feet, John Henry went 14. And so John Henry is superhuman and more supreme than the machine. John Henry beats the machine in this this competition. But he

Ma, big cliff. And this is like you said, this is a lose to this. And they go on into the superhuman conversation in this. And that longer part of that piece that lends to Superman.

Let me ask you that lens. What do you think the significance is in the story? So he would do anything for his family, we got that he was stronger. He was better than the machine but yet at the end, he dies. What is iced but what to do without GMO,

he won, he won. But he had to die. And gifts as in is going to come up. I'm just gonna go ahead and put it out there. We got to start having a conversation about AI

who will be the John Henry fighting against the AI music.

It has to be done or that they're there. They're setting it up to where it's going to be very, may basically build your own music. That's where they're going with this to where you write the song that you want it to hear. Right now, we're not we're a long way off from that, but we're fat it's fast, you know, we're fastly approaching but we're a long way off if that makes sense. Because with the with the new modern technology, it's gonna be just typing the words and Draco's thing it for you.

Right I mean, you know you and I may be not entirely aligned on this because my feeling is just looking at what AI is doing with words man people who really work with words are like this is crap Yeah, it can you can have it you can have Drake do a song the way you set it up but it's always going to be Drake. It's not there's nothing I have yet to hear something new to me it's all remix. You know, it's all

made that's the point is gonna get It's just gonna be a regurgitation was gonna be what it'll do is put the user center by listening to my version of Drake songs, right,

which I don't think I don't think will be very successful. It just to me, that's, that's not how art works. Well, let's just

be honest 85% of people's tastes and music sucks. And they all and they all just be honest, and they gravitate toward what's fair to them. This is what made the DJ so

let me let me say another thing I've noticed, thank you for bringing that up. I know, I know, inherently Of course, I know this repetition makes hits. But I didn't realize that even on a show that has its first episode, like 6000 people download it was not even as it comes out of the blue, right? There's no promotion, just do it. And, and I realized three episodes in. I've played one song each show, and now it's a

Because you have a great taste in music. And people appreciate that, which, that's why it's called taste. I mean, people a lot of people are, taste them, if that's a word is like do not taste that. It's like, like the palate for wine. Right? You know, you give an average person some wine, they don't taste the difference. Like, let's let's place the wood that the barrel, you know, maple, you know, that kind of thing.

But Andres is still pretty popular, you know, comes in a box,

you know, because that's what's available to the people you know, when you go when you go to the store. Yeah, and this is what curating is all about, is I'm not gonna go to Walmart and pick my wine. I'm gonna ride out to the countryside and find a vineyard, right, and nobody's heard of the find that one ball of wine that's going to shine at the dinner. And this is what we're doing with music, and everything

John Henry he could have he could whistle he could sing to the mountain early in the morning just to hear his Hammer Ring Lord Lord just to hear his Hammer ring just to hear his Hammer Ring Lord Lord just to hear his Hammer ring by John Henry was a little baby sitting on his that his knee picked up a hammer and a little pieces do you use a hammer be the death of me Lord God, yes, hammer will be the death of me.

And we are definitely doing that. today. Once again my facts are that I'm curry and we are value for value. People are waiting for the shows are saying oh Wednesday I'm gonna come on we need another show. We need to we come on mo we need something come on Adam, get off your button, stop being on vacation. Do show we need to show we need

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big baller with $500 and a note to match which is a good one so I don't want to skimp around too much on it. Here's what he says he says I'm a longtime no agenda listener and a Baronet. I checked out your show with Adam a while ago and had been utterly captivated. I'm sorry that this notes a little long but you inspired me to reach out and you're with me on this mode is a good note. We gotta read this one yesterday.

No, it's beautiful. And the view and the view is reminiscent of you I have

it nice and we are loving life here best wishes to you and your family and your journey. And you are in our prayers always Sir Anthony Myrtle Point Oregon. What a beautiful note man. Absolutely beautiful. Thank you so much for that and thank you for the 500 I think Trent Scoville should be up there with the ballers.

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because he just sent $300 No, no, that's a baller move right there. Yeah. Love that take

take the money. No, no. Yeah.

Thank you very much Trenton Jimmy James $200. I wish there was more value I could provide to ensure the continuation of Mo facts capital ventures and entrepreneurship enterprises, or whatever the rebranding, rebuilding of the world around you and your Family will be. May God continue to bless you and your family through it. I don't know I have a feeling that God is not letting Adam and MOBE go just

We have that.

I'm curious what your thoughts are on the book To Kill a Mockingbird and also wondered if you have ever heard of or read an American plague concerning the yellow fever epidemic in Philadelphia in 19. As in 1793, blacks came to the rescue and were poorly treated despite the generosity is such a shame. God bless you both and keep up the important work of educating the masses. All right, well, To Kill a Mockingbird, you're

killing Mockingbird. So ninth grade I want to say probably so it's a little hazy. Um, and I haven't read the American plague but To Kill a Mockingbird. Oh, no. This is didn't know No, I don't know. It just didn't register with me

know that it's being isn't being pulled out of schools To Kill a Mockingbird?

Yeah, I don't know. Why is another miracle from the book. Well, I Oh, I understand why they're trying to at least understand right what people will have an issue with but

but wasn't basically written for the white man's perspective To Kill a Mockingbird. This wasn't it may

say the white savior. You know. And it was more about the relationship between him and his daughter. That was like the center point. And then the trial of course, but

yeah, so a swing and a miss. So we got a good I mean

for the time, but I don't I don't see what was was a lightning rod.

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So, I know we've done a lot of talking about rap, but we haven't got to the rap yet. And we're not gonna get too much of it in this show. Like I say I'm laying the underpinnings of what the higher infinite power is. And why a person like J Edgar Hoover, and many other people want to keep a lid on the messaging that gets out the pen is more mighty than the sward

and listen to me God walked down to the band deceit he declared that the man had been hidden decided to destroy the man that has to no no stop no I won't be defeated me and I won't do the three cubits long do the big and strong divide so it feels the win and no no no My God on a whim and the foundation will leave begin to build the ring on the hammock that didn't commit the human soul that sends me faster 100 years bill in the UK by the grace of God was done

Wow as you can kind of you can kind of hear the negro spiritual in their

same time he could hear the modern rep it sounds a lot like the message the flow and edit your

you mean from Grandmaster Flash to flash and the Furious fun? Yeah, if you listen

to the flow, it's the same flow.

I'm gonna Yeah.

And the weird part is that is to say instruments and to do from North Richmond. This is a good time and invoices. Yeah. Yeah, instruments, but different different, all different models. Now, you as when you have something good going, the devil always have to creep in and this was captured. In the Ray Charles movie, The thief only comes in to steal and kill Mo Yeah, and destroy. And this is from the Ray Charles movie, when he's playing gospel, cold chords and remix in the

you just giving your money to Satan that's what you're doing. You have a problem yeah got a problem this gospel you're saying you're turning God's music into six you're making money off the law he's right you got a right to believe what you really want to cancel the show. I just want to ask the folks right now. All y'all want me to keep playing? Let me say amen. Without the trip data

was this from a movie? Or was this an actual recording in the club?

No, that was Jamie Foxx. Oh, okay. Playing Ray Charles in the movie, right. But this is well documented, this struggle was well documented in the Five Heartbeats. You have family this own family members because they strayed away from the church.

Yeah, that was a big gospel music outside of the church.

Right. And there's two reasons One, because of the spiritual reason, but there was also economic reasons for them not wanting to go outside the church because this was highlighted in The Color Purple. You had the church, and then you

oh, man, back in the days when I was much younger than 12 years old. Sometimes people would say that if you had a piano and a church. That's the type of sound that you did not want in a church, the official real what you call country, Baptists, serious Jesus worship in church, you do not have that

Wow, I didn't know this. Devil's box. I like it.

Now, I wasn't around with that struggle, because I always really be going to church, the piano and Oregon were staples in the church. But I do remember pushed back against the drumset because like I said, I was raised in a Baptist church in the South. Black Southern Baptist Church. drones were seeing Oh no, the drums is one step too far. And I aver Remember, this is something conversation I remember remember

interesting.

It was a huge push bow remember this to this day? It was no and some even churches only sang him hymns. For you know from the hymnal? Sure. It wasn't no you know, singing whatever even quote unquote gospel music on the radio, you didn't bring that in the church now you had quote, unquote, I keep saying I got stopped at the inspirational choir. That was the younger choir. It oftentimes is God traveled around between

interesting, because when we when I first started going to the church out here, and you know, we have what we call corporate worship music. My main problem, what took getting what took some getting used to was there's no solos. It's like, where's the solo play and play guitar for like, 20 you know, like, five bars or something just without anyone's singing? And it's very interesting how, you know, that's, it's kind of like, no, no, we don't do solos in church. Really interesting.

And it's funny that you bring that up, because that Hillsong type vibe. I think that was the one that Bieber went to, you know, that church that Justin Bieber and all the stars is going to Yeah, this real would you call it corporate worship as a corporate?

Yeah. And that, by the way, is is not meant as a slam. That's what it's called, is called Corporate in the in the form of the corporate and people getting together. But it's double entendre. As far as I'm concerned.

It's like it was because you had me going the other way. Like, it's like the can worship music, no shade.

No, but that's how I interpreted it until I figured out Oh, no, this series about saying corporate it's, it has a different meaning and like, okay, double entendre

it sounds like it sounds like the music that you premiere iPhone to right? Yeah, like the real certain chords, whatever. But yeah, so that was the push back. But now we got to get into who made the crossover from gospel to secular? That is one Mr. Sam Cooke. This is the OG of OGS in many ways you

sent me Cupid wonderful world. I know them all. I Sam Cook, man. I know them all.

And I'm gonna give you a quick facts family story. Every time Sam Cook will come up around my grandma facts. Yeah. Grandpa fans would cut his eyes at her. Cuz you know, that was their Usher there Chris Brown. Really? Oh, yeah. Him and Nat King Cole. Yeah. Cooking Nat King Cole came what was a

good, good looking man.

Very handsome. 26 stand open

the door for more singers than you'd ever dream of. Because it was an approach to music that we didn't ever think the public would accept from blacks. Anyhow, he influenced most of us most of us. This is the story of how gospel became and why it took a natural rule breaker like Sam Cooke to make it all happen. The singer was an iconic figure for a new generation of African Americans. Sam Cooke was a guy who didn't take a crap from people and was someone who really seemed like he wanted to

What is this from this?

This is the soul deep, the story of black popular music. And this is episode two of a multi part series.

The number of six is not lost on me number 12.

Right. That part is well. And no this is one time out there no anointing. People know when they are given a gift. And it Sam Cook it was one of the specials. And you're going to hear in the next clip how special he was. Because he broke the mold on not only crossing over but the style stylistically as well.

joining a group like this so service meant a life of Torah not following a circuit is the gospel highways. Various has now faded into memory. In the 1950s. The Gospel high res was exciting place to be as any in America was chosen by quartet groups, and numerous gospel leavers and traveling preachers. And traveling along the gospel highway, stopping the little cities and little towns, and sometimes having church in the field. Sometimes having church in the church or sometimes just

Yeah, he was a businessman as well.

And it was infrastructure laid out well before he even showed up. That you're going to be here like say, North Carolina you'll be you will be in Durham, North Carolina and doing the right tobacco harvest or whatever, you know, the agricultural flow was and I remember these tent revivals I went to a few of them you know, that showed up every year when I was younger, you know with my grandmother that it would be a tent you know, it'd be hot as a fish grease you know what you will be in his tent

but

I want to stress the fact the importance of these things to keep people moving move him and motivated a lot of

pass our pastor always says value for value. That's a God thing. Man. That's a God thing. That's what he always says.

Cuz what you got out of it. You put back into it. So now there is gouging. I'm not going to be naive and say there's not gouging but for all ladies. This is their chance to dress up. Put their nice hat on Um, you know, even though they've been on their knees scrubbing all week, this is their chance to go and see it and be queens, like, why are they shot shot? The Queen crown, right? I thought, hey, you know, that kind of thing? Ya know? So is that was their social club.

What set him apart, he had a smooth voice had a smooth deliverance. And in those days, most gospel singers have Kroff voice they were able to get throaty, they will get but Sam was always, you know, there was a woman, and the Bible days, he was so smooth with it. And he was like an exception, you would think you were at a nightclub because he was good. I mean, the guy was he was pretty, we loved it. Everybody had a

I'm so glad you're doing this. This is Sam Cooke has not talked about anymore his his his role in for so so many different reasons out of him came Rolling Stones I mean, also also listened to Sam Cooke I mean so much the British Invasion a lot the Beatles a lot of people listened to Sam Cooke. He was very influential.

He changed the paradigm to where he was so smooth. It was able to cross over Yeah, we're like she was saying with the hollering with the hoop and you know that translate into gospel music. This opened it up for a different crowd. And a parallel draw draw is we rock him by rat was very hard core, you know, power, you know, like kinda do to do and rock him came and said, No, I'll be smooth with

I don't I don't know much about Ron Kim Rakeem I'm sorry, Arabic Arabiya. RockYou. Well, yeah, that's exactly. That's all I know. Eric being Rakim, that's it. What?

What? You know why? The same reason you will hear about Sam Cooke. The real pioneers. They bury. Yeah, and

You're upsetting me now. Well, I'm the guy who can ultimately controlled Sam Cooke is Alan Klein.

We're gonna get there okay. We're gonna get there.

No, I actually met him. I know the guy. He's gone now. But

this is the reason another reason I was excited about this show because from your perspective, you can fill in certain gaps you know of how there's a lot going on. Well, cool. J this is you know, Oh, Alan clown or whatever, I was pretty sure you knew some of these people and I was excited to hear your engagement with them. Sure, even more so on the next show is going to be very riveting. Okay, but let's get back to this show. Do we stop at 2.6?

We're Yeah, two sixes what's next? Alright, let's go know how

to sing gospel music. You're a saint for the lifted. You know, you could drink booze, you could run women, you can chase, you could do all everything you wanted to do. But you you were okay, as long as you stuck to the gospel. It is so crazy. Now that I look at it. The lifestyle didn't go with the song. I remember him telling me one afternoon, we got to the auditorium quite early. And we sat there on the steps of auditorium. And he confided in me that he was getting ready to

So crossing over, of course, has religious connotations. I hadn't thought about your crossing over, you're crossing over to the dark side.

It was two crossovers. So to the farthest thing that they like this, the far right was stained black, and gospel, right. Now, Sam was gonna go over to the instead of

white ears explain chitlin

Chitlin Circuit that was basically the the juke joints.

actual word chitlin.

Oh, that's pig intestines, that we're returning to a southern delicacy. Which another thing? It's amazing. How when certain group of people do things, as odd as country that's back or whatever, that's pig

intestines. Right?

But then you eat tripe. And delicacy is like, Oh, now now is different. You know? Perception is hey, oh, man, it's so new. But no, that was the that was the crossover. And he was going from the far right. To the far left. Now, what

was seen as a bigger betrayal, crossing over out of the church or crossing over to white audiences? Or was was that seen as a betrayal as well?

If equal is equal? Okay? Because the church people

And it's a shame that that's always been seen as a bad thing. Because it actually it's it hampers the human experience.

Well, is that here's the thing, though. Because if like, say Pat podcasted for instance, right? Say you built no agenda up to what it is. And then somebody comes along a curry will cut you a check for so and so. So and so for complete creative control.

Okay, okay. But that's different from I mean, just think about that for a second. So was playing for white audiences? Was that inherently equal to giving up his creative control?

Yes, it still is today. Because when you sign a record deal, they pick the records that go now album, you can make all the you can make 1000 records. You know, you don't There are that they won't.

There are black owned labels. I just want to point out that, you know, record labels by themselves have inherent evilness to them, no matter one color owns them.

No, what I'm saying is this, that you're giving up the creative control because some group of people are going to pick your sound, okay? All right. Okay. That's just like they're saying car, you can't play that clip. You know, it's like you come in with 100 clips, and they get to pick the 25 that's gonna go on the show for me, are you right? It's like we did the work with your you go back to the word curating again, you're curating what you think is gonna be most palatable to

right and that and that is necessary and true in a limited system where a small or a group owns the distribution it's really about distribution.

The oh that's where that in the shows. Yeah, cuz

just it's also distribution to shows or distributions all distribution.

That's why Live Nation is so huge because they own the venue's Yeah, you own the rights to the venue's you get to pick who's on the stage. And Sam was a problem so you get 2.1 1964

One of America's biggest pop idols, objecting to achieve Los Angeles motel rundown part of an issue never in his brief life, some programs to change popular music forever set the standard for every single day to follow. First, I loaded. Last one of gospel music's greatest stars, I'm combining the transformation of black church music into mainstream pop, and fear you

Yeah, he was killed by a black woman, I think who owned the motel.

Allegedly.

There is of course a case to be made that all the singers who have real influence eventually are eliminated one way or the other, either by nature or by God or by evil. Tupac, you could go

my memory serves me correct, that he was killed in December of 64. Malcolm was cute in February of 65. Okay, and there's some connection between the two as we're gonna see here, but let's get more into the unsolved death of Sam Cooke.

Later in the year, Sam heard Bob Dylan song blowing in the wind and was moved by its lyrics. He felt that if a white songwriter could write such a moving song about race, perhaps he should write one to the final spur came from Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech, Sam claimed that a change is going to come came to him in a dream as a whole complete song. Sam had long been a supporter of the civil rights movement and a change is gonna come was adopted by the movement as one of their

Yeah, yeah. Well, the timing is, is indeed curious and especially With the song coming out in a remixed version after he after he died

yeah maybe some minute changes tweaking some tweaking and this is the point I was trying to make. Excuse me about creative control

yeah

we don't think those couple of lines right will register you know with the demographics can you go back and re record that now? Let me make it clear. There is a sweet spot to where these frequencies meet. Case in point some of the best

but so is summer dreams make me feel

that's another Lika which I don't know which who covered who I'm not sure the timeline on that. But a lot of their greatest songs are covered but yet and still is so different. That is almost its own song. Like you could take somebody to cover North Richmond. Yeah. Remix a certain way that it would be you know, on the parallel with them with Sam Cooke song which was one of the last negro spirituals there is an interesting change is gonna come Yeah, that that right

was seals and Crofts. See? Yeah, you're right. Wow.

Some of their best souls recovers. And that's what blew me because I don't like and they sing the Isley Brothers. But when you go back and listen, you know, it's like no, they're actually doing covers other people.

That's so interesting because Elvis was accused of being the white guy sitting in the black songs.

Yes. And a black man taught him how to dance. With

Right, which is by definition,

especially right past him. It's an actual crossover. That's that right past you. I'm sorry. I see a forest go a black man taught him how to dance. Yeah. I got it. That's what the movie was about. Just Just as a quick facts moment, Forrest Gump, it was about him being biracial. Right. Yeah, you do realize that yes, I know that. When you look at the lens through that movie, just to speak on how powerful art is. It wasn't his intelligent level while he was treated differently

right. Yes, yeah, gotcha. I gotcha.

And that was allude to like him teaching Elvis how

So good. So good. Yeah, so good.

I digress. But let's go and get into part

two. On December 11 1964, Sam Cooke booked a room in the Hacienda motel in LA with a girl named Elisa Boyer. She had been booked in as Mrs. Cook but in fact, she and Sam had eaten at a restaurant in town and then came to the Hacienda together, Sam's infidelities were well known, and he had fathered at least three children legitimately. In a room at the motel. Elisa Boyer claimed Sam tore off her clothing and she feared he was going to rape her. When he went to the bathroom.

go okay, this is the Only story I know. There must be a second story in the next clip I'm thinking, But wait there's more. For there are

however, a number of inconsistencies we have to highlight. Firstly, restaurant staff and customers were the pair had eaten claimed Sam had a large quantity of money with him. Ostensibly this was to buy Christmas gifts. That money was never recovered. Bertha Franklin had at one time been an operator of a brothel. And rumors persisted after the killing that she and Boyer who had worked as a prostitute were running a

All right, well, this is much more believable than the other story. Particularly FBI and CIA, of

always like to Suge Knight was even shaking my elbow,

you know. And I actually recall having no I think we had a meeting. We had a meeting and now this is going to be 2000 not not long before he died, actually, maybe four years before he died. I think he died in the mid 2000s. And it was about music on the internet. Maybe? No, it was it was before it was no I'm wrong. It was in the late 90s. And I just remember how intimidating he was. But you know, we he took

create it's there. So I'm curious, let Lin lend it to that because people will say why we should not kill Tupac. He was saying he was signed to you know, you know a long term record deal. Yeah, but there's this thing that cropped up in you know, the rap community that there rappers get better promotion? Well, no

dead rappers and as we now know arrested rappers go

taking the drill rap formula to a whole case in the to the top of the charts.

Yeah. What it didn't do in the Allen Klein Sam Cooke relationship and did not help the the struggle between black

Which I still think that's overplay. When you look at who's the institutional money behind these record labels, you know, it's bigger than that. Now, all the uses.

Yeah, say that. Tell that to Kanye

Tasman. What's the other thing he realized that even when the money gets big enough, the Jewish community has to Take a step back. Like when Adidas, Adidas is like we're over, you're bleeding cash, right? We got it. We gotta get we gotta sell these sneakers and then they have to acquiesce to whatever Adidas needs to do. Right? And who's the institutional money behind Adidas you know, when we start

we do. And we'd like to thank him and we love it when they send us new money

by like bribing money. I just I don't want any money around me. It's not. I don't really have a new one that are brighter than an old 20. That's kind of dumb. But there's

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And the producers make it happen. Exactly. The thing is, we're on the Chitlin Circuit here, folks. You have what is? Isn't that what literally it is, you know, I get on this guy's shoulder, give me a bigger platform. You know, I leverage that relationship to grow my thing. And then I'll open up the door maybe for somebody to come on my show to give them profile. And that's basically what it is the same thing. May

we always stay on the Chitlin Circuit? Well,

I hope so. I wouldn't I don't plan. Because, yeah, being small, and having creative control is more valuable to me than being big and being controlled.

Yep, I figured this out. About my 50s In my early

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So we have a couple of different motives and possible way Sam Cooke was taken out. Oh, good. We're

back where we haven't finished with the mystery. Good. Oh, no,

he goes we go. So we have the the course the record label to point the finger at you know this groan Oh, but that doesn't really make a lot of sense to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. No, that's not you know it. In the case wherever leaving and not under contract, maybe. But it doesn't make much sense. Now you got where he just got what a prostitute. And she tried to trick rolling. But I don't think he's gonna take it that far over some money. Even though it's

Back in December 64. Sam Cooke was a huge star. But unlike almost all black entertainers at the time, he was looking towards black economic power. The record label he was signed with RCA was pushing Sam towards crossing over more to the white consumer. His song about the Jim Crow South, a change gonna come and lyrics that were cut out by RCA as they didn't want to upset the white audience buying Sam's records. But Sam Cooke felt there was room for both in his life, and

I didn't know any of that.

So you got Sam Cooke, Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali. The Muhammad Ali calm the number one rock star in the world now you got the heavyweight champion in the world. And Malcolm X being the people's champ on the side of civil rights

the trifecta right there. interest that

will make a lot of people nervous. Yeah. If you have them and you have in the background lodger, Elijah Muhammad the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, it Have you ever wondered how you want to see it lurking in the background? And possible big money out of Texas backing him up? But that's another show for another day. Oh, was president at the time? And six was his 60s Johnson. No, because that's the 60s 64

Now was it Kennedy?

Kennedy was lightning 60 Right.

Yeah. 64. Now Kennedy was killed in 63. So it must it must have been Johnson Yeah. Yeah. Henry Johnson. Yeah, the racist. Okay. Makes sense. Well,

like I say, it goes very deep and we'll get there one day but this is the problem nothing it presented itself. As you got somebody out and this is national television. Yeah. You got Muhammad Ali changing his name. Well, that's a bigger problem within itself. And you'd like to say you got the word scared or more. It's not the militancy is to do for yourself mentality. That's very disruptive to the economic system. If you let this kind of thinking catch on, but let's go and get into 36.

Later that evening, Sam Cooke, Muhammad Ali and Malcolm X are hanging out together. And this photograph appeared in FBI reports targeting black activists considered dangerous. Sam Cooke, with Muhammad I lead, and Malcolm X two of the most controversial, at least to white America figures of the time. This was not the crowd RCA wanted Sam Cooke to be a part of if there was no Nick Cook was potentially working with people that provoke change and potential uprising, RCA would lose a lot of money.

Okay, two things one. On no agenda, Dvorak

You Yeah, and I alluded to some big money out of Texas. Once again, you force my hand you have always do it. You

so he he might have been the money behind the Kennedy assassination to get a Texan boy Johnson in there.

Exactly. Because he's understanding probably Ben Johnson from the beginning, but the Wasp, and they were letting the Kennedys into that group that you were saying, Master Joe fortune, right that once he got to the got to the convention, he realized that his candidate was not going to be selected. And that's why he had to take Johnson. Now, there's paper trails that say he might have been involved in the execution of Malcolm X. Martin Luther King and becaming the brothers.

There's one other name in this trifecta. That's actually a fourth name. Jim Brown. Yes, Jim Brown was in that mix as well with Malcolm and with Muhammad Ali and with Sam Cooke.

And this is why you see this divide between you know, the courtroom SAF Boulais here yet her she Boulais is not unanimous or a one force. You have the Jim Browns you have those people on one side of it. And then you have the you know the people with the intellectuals on the other side of

stop saying quote unquote mo Boulais

well that the quote unquote Boulay phone ringing.

That's what it was. Now,

what is the bad habit? Alberich? That's okay. Don't worry about it. No, it's a faux pas in my mind. It's just something I have to work on doing. But you bet on home that Kennedy thing once you start looking into it, yeah, there's so many strings and so much power. But it all draws goes back to the same point are far few points. Interesting. Yeah. But going back to the Sam Cooke murder, let's get into Part 37.

A cook wasn't having it. It said that he rejected everything thrown at him and said he was going to do it anyway. And it got to the point that Sammy Davis Jr. was tapped by the shadowy figures of organized crime to reach out to cook and tell him he better listen to the Italian. So during 1964 cooks, RCA contract was up for renegotiation. And Sam had his manager Alan Clang, renegotiate the contract, to include Sam's own record label. What do you hope to do in the future? You're doing different

Yeah, sounds familiar. The here's your own, like record labels scam.

This the shingles is basically yeah, you're still under universal or CBS. So fill in the blank at this big record label. But we create you a shingle that you can use on us, but you could sign other artists to yourself, which we still get a piece off of. Yeah, I went through this with the music that I was like, I'm not signing nothing. The best way not to get screwed is no sign anything. That's right. And I've always had this mentality and No, just the highlight the point that

Mommy, look at me now.

series, is it it is Rap Albums don't drop them when they supposed to, you know, is do you stay true to your fans? Or do you go for a bigger audience? All this is way independence that we have. That we can say whatever we want to say? Yeah, we don't have a blue light phone like Sam Cooke had, where Sammy Davis Jr. is call a talk to you boy.

Yeah, did the Italians tell you to talk to your boy?

That's that's the that's the mint. That's the blue. That's how to Boulais foreign work is, uh, you know, somebody I know. Can you get them on the phone? Or can you send them a message, hey, he needs to cut it out. And if you don't hear that you don't make it wherever you're trying to go.

And literally, and this is why podcasting is a

Freshly fit took a hit. I don't know what they thought it was gonna do. They will stay on YouTube's platform and doing what they were doing. But that was just another hit. Yeah, and a novel upset some people by this but you know, it is what it is. What's the dude's name? Andrew Tate. Yeah. To me

Oh, interesting. I mean, I I have not had no interest in looking at him. I just hasn't it's never interested me. So I've never really taken a look at it.

This is what I'm talking about when they push the real people to the side. Mr. Kevin Samuels, who has the weirdest death I've ever heard of. I've never heard anybody Dying of hypertension I've never heard I've talked to multiple now it can be the root cause or the comorbidity but they're the cause of death hypertension usually it's a stroke or whatever else but I digress. Exit Kevin Samuels and to Andrew

i Yeah.

Call her to conservative Oprah which is which is it's been a while so we

got a lot of talk about what I got it that's interesting in in this case because she's part of daily wire and daily wire in turn has some pretty interesting Texans footing the bill there Yes. What is it with Texas?

We've been doing this forever HL Hunt had one of the biggest radio show that he has Yeah, he was the he was the precursor to Infowars that kind of thing of of making you know strict conservative content

Yeah. And honestly that like the minute when Jordan Peterson joined the wire that's when he started to get really weirdly political

now your talking points

me exactly something changed there with him that just is off putting to me it's like I like his message I'd like you know all the stuff he says about masculinity and men and young men and all this and then and then all sudden he's dropping in politics like feels weird.

When you work for the company, you gotta take the company talking point. Yeah. And with that comes comfort. Lows, I hit my marks, you know, I'm gonna be employed. And this is why Steven Crowder thing was such a while I brought it up. Because

everyone's got their own version of it.

Yeah. And we see it play out every day since I brought up the you know, the, no, the actual Boulay phone, we see instantaneously. Somebody says something they gotta go back on.

Yep. You know, they

got to change how they're looking. But just the wrap up the Candace Owens thing. I think she's on shaky ground because of what she did what yay. And she's looking for exit strategy. That that is my analysis on that situation. Because this gets goes to the bigger conversation and when you go corporate. Yeah. Where do you go after corporates dealing with you? Like seriously? Yeah, it's

it's, it's very difficult. If there's only one way and that's poverty, podcasting, that's the only place you can still go to, but yeah, but it takes a lot of a lot of stamina, a lot of work and a lot of honesty to do it. Otherwise. And well, yes, yes. Have been outstanding products, always

tablet sales, if nothing else, you made a stellar product, they're gonna find you. Yeah, you know, it is what it is. But going back to Sam Cooke, who also made a stellar product

for you. Oh, Mo's going off the reservation. Everybody put on your tinfoil hat. Here we go ism conspiracy theories we love. This is where this is where we've always we've always connected on conspiracies.

Yes. And this isn't this is one for you. I believe. Sam Koch was dosed with LSD went batshit crazy. And that's why he ended up being shot. Who shot him? I don't know. But at this time period, and in this area, CIA agents and people affiliated with the agency were known to dose John's unbeknownst to them. Yes. To watch the effects. Yeah. Yeah. Are you on board and you're saying

yes, no, I I'm definitely I'm, there's what is the guy's name who jumped out of his hotel room. That was the whole story was exactly that out.

I forget his name. I don't know why I knew it. And I saw it when I was doing this research, but I didn't get his name in the clip. But it's mentioned in America's war on drove the car a

Frank Frank Olson. That's it. Frank Olson Yep.

Let's listen to how History Channel captures how this whole setup will work. And let's see if it works with the Sam Cooke theory.

Two American spies have just arrived at Sandoz laboratories, one of the world's leading pharmaceutical factories. The mission cornered the market on the world's supply of a powerful new psychoactive drug. The CIA was scared stiff, the KGB was going to get all this LSD and come over and start dosing people. So we bought

Who didn't know about this one.

Yeah, Midnight comics. Ah,

okay. Oh. Hmm. Entry. Of course.

You can say something he wrote a dice. Roll and let's go to 39

George had a CIA safe house stocked with booze, George would sit behind his one way mirror drinking martinis, sitting on a portable toilet. He had to take a leak he didn't want to get up and leave white pays prostitutes to lower their clients to the agency safe house. cookers who would bring these suckers back to the apartment, and dosing with pure LSD 25 is where I have my effect in the mind. This is lysergic acid diethylamide. Better known

But I mean it's the timing is right is obviously not a stretch who got the prostitute there. I mean, we've got all the elements that are totally could have been a part of what happened with with Sam Cooke, but then did he go so he went so crazy, they had to kill her?

I think they I think he was dos unintentionally, not that they were gonna do Sam Cooke is that you meet prostitutes, which this woman later was identified as a prostitute and a woman that shot him was later didn't identify as a madam. And that hotel was down on near or on Figaro which is known as a stroll for prostitution. I think he just caught a bad when got cardi bead oops. This is this this tail is old as you know and and for because it doesn't make sense to

Yeah. The only other guy I know did that was Richard Pryor. And he was on fire.

And and Martin Lawrence, remember?

You right? He went crazy to Yeah. And then there was Lionel Richie, but that's because his wife was beating Am

I any funny that psychedelics now or just bringing becoming back in vogue,

but not not just in vogue? I mean, we've got suburban white housewives microdosing it's a thing. Oh, it's a thing Mall. It's a thing we got, we got, you know, luxury trips where you go to some island or Mexico or maybe Jamaica. And you know, it's like $10,000 for a couple of days, and you have a professional who's going to take you through psychedelics. Oh, yeah, this is a huge thing right now.

That's what we talked about in the wheel Smith and Chris Rock Show. The Ayahuasca Yes,

yeah. And the funny part

is that it starts with the intellectual crowd, if we just lean on a TV show is a representation of history. In Mad Men, yeah. Yeah. The intellectual rich crowd, it was dropping that at first. So I mean, we're, we're right. We're right back where we started. And that

changes, nothing changes come up with a new script, fellas.

I just think that this is more plausible to me. The what was in the self. I mean, well, everybody identifies him as a ladies man, a smooth guy to go raging like that to the point where he has to be shot and beaten.

So but that does negate the whole theory of well, he was too influential, you know, this was a problem.

It is controlled.

I was gonna say he seems like he was complying. Okay, I'll take those lines out. No problem. I'll just keep going.

That's why I don't think it was the record label. It doesn't make any sense for them to do it. No. And I don't think that oh, we got to take we got to, I don't think the agency was like, Oh, we got to take Sam Cooke out, either, you know, because they had a control room contractually, right? I didn't think he just ran across a government ah, and it went wrong.

Very possible Mo.

So, this, this is from a legit CIA, former CIA agent, if there's no such thing. I'm speaking to Joe Rogan. And he gives more insight to the midnight comics,

a lot of these things were funded through cutouts. So he had set up again, this is you know, early 50s, mid 50s, early 60s, set up financing vehicles, you know, through say, you know, what appear to be non threatening grant programs, you know, from Research Institute. So you're you you loop in academic institutions, or researchers and MK Ultra had at least acknowledged anyway over 80 academic institutions and others that were either wittingly or unwittingly working

For for Dietrich,

did you? Did you see him avoid that question? Yeah,

it was the hooker in on it.

And then he goes on to answer another question that was very smooth with the agency, man.

Well, because there's no such thing as a former CIA agent.

Let's hear that. When was this that little piece again, we're going to pick it up from there.

And then they'd be analyzing the impact of the LSD on them in terms of their ability to talk and, and would they we'll hook her in on it. Yeah, the hookah was in on it and seen employee of the CIA. Do you know and it was just the Epstein Epstein CEO like the army was involved in these things as well. But they would get you know, cash payments, and oftentimes the Get Out of Jail live Get Out of Jail Free card. Pack. You know what, ladies, if you're out yeah, if you're out

That was Joe Rogan.

Was that Joe? Yeah. Interesting.

Joe said, Is he still alive? Yeah, we need to talk to

No, no, no, no, no, no, none of that.

No. But but that's how it roll. Wow. That's straight from the horse's mouth and what caught me. My attention was these university cutouts. Yeah. I've pointed to the universities from day one where you look at all the sexual studies, race studies. What's the other one?

Right up to Professor Ted, Stanford University.

Right? And even the critical theory on Marxism, every Frankfurt School

all comes through the universities, all of it and then of course, the universities create teachers and they go in and they start corrupting the middle schools.

And you know what else came out of university? The Harvard report this is Logan Westbrook, a mover and shaker. I don't know if you know him or not, you can still keep everybody in the base. But this is louder, Westbrook, and he this is an older clip. And he's going to describe the horror report which is CBS. Would you like to tell people what you call CBS?

Oh, the Central Intelligence broadcasting systems.

Okay, CBS Commission's Harvard to do a study 50 years ago. Are you seeing the timeline here? We're

Most of my exposure has been on the business side, the marketing handed dictionary books, I put out a copy of the Harmon report, which has never been released. And I put it out in its raw form, just as it was presented to me from the students at heart. So it can be very controversial. Some say that the carbon report was the beginning of the demise of black record companies. What I have released this book, just as it was presented to me, like you form. Why do people think that?

Man, I have not met him. But if you go to his website, Logan westbrooks.com. Right. There's a big picture of him and Obama. Right, right. Another CIA cutout. Oh, man, this is great. Interesting,

very protective of Clive Davis. Bob Davis has had

And Clive Davis, very black mailable has an I think they got him for a moment there that was wasn't even that long ago that you know, there was some payola scandal and even though it turned out that it wasn't really anything to do with him, he got implicated in it. He got fired from his own company. He was Mr. Whitney Houston, he created Whitney Houston.

And then the way the story goes, he was very callous around her death. The show must go home kind of thing which kind of made him lose favor. Yeah, he's very tied in with Diddy. Take a Puff Daddy.

Yeah, and there's a lot of rumors about them being romantically involved. Yes.

But we know the CIA gets down they used sexual blackmail to control yes exactly control all but it's funny that Mr. Logan Westbrook uses words like myth and you know, this basically, you know, this is a story concocted to make Clive Davis look bad, right. That was the that's what we take away for 49 All right, yeah. Well as these men get on these Boulay, men get older, and the door started shut shut on them. I think this is maybe the 14 hours, maybe 10, maybe 15 years

So tell us what the Harvard report is and how it started. The Hodel report was a study that was conducted in 19 172. And it was permission by CBS under the auspices of client, five, Davis, and Bruce Landau busanga, who was the VP of Marketing, who I reported to, and he came up with the idea to conduct this study, using some shooters here at the Harvard the the B School students as a project. And they took it on, I

power 101. The Harvard report.

CA You thought it was a myth? No,

it's real.

And Mr. Logan said it will Mr. Westbrook said it was in his original clip 49 He said it was it was a myth. The make Clive look bad. Now he's the liaison going between the two institutions being the bag man, basically. And it's the blueprint, it went from a mirror to a blueprint. Which one is

it a blueprint? This is interesting. Because this, of course, is around this time, this is where we start to get the conspiracy theories about you know, a relatively small group who got together and said, Hey, this hip hop thing, we got to do something with that we got to control that. We can control the mass and we can do stuff for this. And is that am I going to presume 94 might have some of that?

Yeah, we're gonna get we're gonna go ahead to light a platinum, the foundation down to show you all the inner workings, the shift from this higher infinite power that this group of people has, that has to be controlled. Gospel music isn't that means gospel means the Good News. The machine can't allow the good news to go because it teaches about liberation freedom, you know, and being independent,

and love. Oh my god, right? Let's not let's not forget that.

So what they done is promote the secular music, which

Well, that's going to be interesting when we when we see things change with value for value music. This is what you're talking about serendipitous? Yes, right around this time right is we're celebrating 50 years of Jay Z I'm sorry, hip hop

on top.

There's no coincidence in the kingdom. Mo this happens to all this happens for a reason I love it. I love that you brought this today. This is fantastic.

I appreciate that. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the true reveal itself

and we will try to get to you with 94 as soon as possible. Thank you and remember to support us at mo facts.com We'll see you soon everybody with episode number 94.

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