88: Business Decision

More facts with Adam curry for December 30 2022 Episode number 88. We're waving goodbye to 2022 in welcoming the new year with fresh facts. I'm Adam curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country time once again to spin the Wheel of topics from here to Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on the other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Moe facts How you doing Adam? I am doing good. I'm loving the I'm loving the

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I think they'll get in here but I don't know how long they'll lay up after they do get in here. Okay, cryptic, cryptic. Well, we're starting that is the Jerry Jones, the photo from the Washington Post. Excuse me. I don't know if you heard about that. It's be odd if you didn't, because you live in Texas. And we're going to end up in with primetime, aka coach prom Deion Sanders. And it's going to be an exciting trip, how we start they're in where we're going to end it.

What's interesting is I know almost nothing about sports. So whatever you're talking about, I completely miss that. I'm sure it's some. Some team owner or coach being racist. That's usually what the stories are about. That's That's great guest Deion Sanders. Did he not play for a New York team? No, he played for Atlanta. And in San Francisco, then Dallas, and then he went it bounced around to Washington Redskins, which hurts my stomach to say that. And I think he ended up in

Baltimore. But he did play baseball in New York. If I'm not mistaken, yes. Because I met him. And I met him at the radio station at z 100. Surprise, right. And I and I'm like I knew was playing for New York team. This was a lot this was in maybe late 80s 90s. Does that make sense? He was one of those athletes that could play multiple sports and we're going to be your barbell golf. All that stuff. Okay, cool. All right, I'm ready for less.

Let's jump right into as you accurately against the takedown of Jerry Jones. This is a fascinating piece of reporting. We're going to talk about now we're gonna start with this photo is from September 9 1957. And it shows Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones among a crowd of white students trying to keep black students from

integrating at an Arkansas High School. This is a Washington Post's reporting reports that Jones who was 14 at the time could be seen standing a few yards from where the six black students were being jostled and repelled with snarling racial slurs by ringleaders of the mob. So joining us now sports and feature columnist at the Washington Post, SALLY JENKINS, gonna have to commend you and your reporting this whole thing

is right. I mean, it's stunning. It's fascinating. So so let's start with a picture of And then we'll talk about you know how we could have sort of moved diversity along with coaching in the NFL and in sports. Let's start with this photograph though. What did what did you? What did you learn about this for from this photograph? Well, I think the first thing you learn is is just how widespread the segregationists were in Little Rock and North Little Rock.

Wait a minute, wait. Anyway, this is from a photo from when he was 14. Yes. Then the man is now what 85? I believe so. Oh, I love how Oh, excellent work. Oh, yeah. You really dug up a doozy here, everybody. Okay, well, we're gonna jump right into it because I gotta lay out my theory of what what how this transpired, the timing of it. Everything. This was a strategic attack on Jerry Jones. Now, for all for full disclosure. I'm a Cowboys. I'm careful with this

word fan, because I'm not a fanatic. But I don't like support or whatever you were saying some goofy were like that. I've been a Cowboys quote unquote fan. Since about three or four years old, and my grandpa bought me a Dallas Cowboys trash can. And we sit down and watch the game together. You know, because I went to my grandparents on every weekend just about so I was there watching football with

him. So sports, as we're gonna see throughout this episode, has a very weird relationship when it comes to race, horse ownership and all that thing. But that to my theory, this photo dropped from the Washington Post on Thanksgiving Day, around things before it right before Thanksgiving, which everybody knows Cowboys take center stage. Exactly. Now even I know that, right? Of course, you will meet him saying you know about media

and this cowboys is America's team. Everybody sits around with a stomach full of Turkey and watch ours fall asleep while watching the Cowboys play. It's like it's the American tradition. And I don't know if you know this or not. The Dallas Cowboys is called America's team. I knew that I live in Texas. Of course. I know some things. Yes. I would just want I want to make sure. I don't want to make no please,

please keep asking me stuff like that. Because this is pretty much the only thing I know that my knowledge stops around here. Well, I'm gonna tell you about a takedown, which you know all about. Enter Bezos. Bezos is trying to buy an NFL team. Right. Oh, I didn't know that. I mean, it makes sense. That was that's what most billionaires seem to like to do. And I have no idea why but okay, and

what costs if you ever seen you saw billions, right? Yeah. That that the scene in there where Axelrod tried to buy the NFL team. Yeah. He said this is American royalty. Owning a foot on the football team is like being knighted? Yeah, I remember. Yes. I do remember that. And it's interesting because is that still that way is that really is that really what the billionaires all think? Oh, of course, it's interest of course. Because

now what scene was he trying to buy? There? Were saying that he was trying to buy the Washington commanders which used to be the watch to raise money known as the Redskins. That was my my parents team by the way the Redskins were my parents team. Well, that's strange. This you Redskins fan by by, by inheritance. And I'm a Cowboys fan with this as another regular TV show. It'll switch through there. Now that I'm in Texas, things are

different. Yeah. So going back. The reporting story was he was trying to buy the Washington commanders with Jay Z. Okay, as a part ally, as a part owner, which know how that, you know, that's that's how you get the new stadium JC gets to 0.3% He pretends like he's an owner, and then we do no sport and then we verify the whole place, actually, well, I do know Ted leonsis, who's the owner of the what's the hockey team in Washington, the capitals, the capitals, so and yeah, I know

this guy pretty well. And yeah, it is definitely a royalty thing that I think about it. Yeah. Well, Snyder has been quoted as saying I have because they tried to get Snyder out of here. They done this with the owner, Richardson down in Carolina, which they were saying with the Me too. So they've been trying to get Snyder out of there. But you know, he's had things with cheerleaders and this obviously, I had to lay it all out so you can see it for the last while saying

that's what I get these teams cheerleaders. Of course, that makes sense. So Snyder says, I got dirt on all the owners. Here comes Bezos paper with a picture of Jerry Jones. Because if Bezos is going to buy a team, trust me, it would rather be the Dallas Cowboys, which is the preeminent sports team up all teams, not just football, oh, all teams, if you want to be royalty, you might as well go straight to the, to the top of the pack. Right.

And Jerry Jones is the king of the NFL. So let's I'm laying it all out and how this all this quote unquote what I call an attack happened. But we got to understand the history behind why that photo was so triggering to some people while it was

used. You know, like I said, I just find it funny that Jerry Jones actually sat down with the Washington Post voluntarily, and did this whole you know, about black ownership in the NFL, you know, you know, racing sports kind of thing, and they double crossed him with this photo. Jerry Jones, his faceful was North Little Rock, which was across the Arkansas River from Central High School, which is

the school that got all of the attention. When Eisenhower sent in federal troops to protect the Little Rock Nine at that school over there. But the segregationist agitators were actually very active on both sites. And the fact that we knew that generationally, Jerry Jones had to have experienced the events in Little Rock more generally, but to find him in the photograph, and to learn that he experienced one of those incidents, right on the schoolhouse steps, was pretty

revelatory. We were blown away, to put it mildly. Let me ask you about this picture just quickly here, because he is saying he's using thing you know, I was just there. I wasn't participating. I was there just sort of to observe. But the with the photograph with you guys, as you point out in your reporting, is that in order to get where he was at the top of those stairs, that he had to get up there pretty quickly, and those were sort of the students that were

keeping the black students from entering? Does it say anything about his participation? Are you making any sort of judgment about it? Or let me let me make a little judgment first, I'm looking at this picture. I'm looking at this picture. He looks like a doofus standing in the back like hey, what's going on here? Doesn't he's not at the front. He's not the guy at the front looks like a mean mofo. Well, he was he was a young, younger player in high school.

So that's one thing. But I'm just saying that it's not Yeah, it's not important. The important The important thing is he's there in Arkansas in 1957. When you know what happened in 57, all across town at the other high school. That's when they had, you know, forcing kids into I think it's called Central High, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, Central High. So he's over at

this other school. And they're like, hey, look, Jerry Jones was doing the same thing that's happened over Central High at his high school, which puts pressure on him into the interjects race into the conversation, which they want Jerry Jones out of there. And it's like I said, and I'm thinking this is just my cow. Look at it Washington Post Bezos trying to buy a team. I don't really want Washington's team because like you said, you got to deal with the politicians in

Washington. Yeah. You know, where we want to have the stadium this has been the Snyder has the name is probably you know, they had the Redskins they change it to the what does it command man? There's so many things the city name, you know, it's like, Who wants a team with everyone thinks you're gonna think Washington Redskins for the rest of that we're I would, I can't ever think of them as commanders. I totally agree. But I'm just telling you, this is the setup.

And when I saw this, I was like, on Thanksgiving Day. And, you know, because yeah, so this is the whole setup. So you kind of see what's going down here. Yeah. Wow, this is great reporting. We got this picture. This is fantastic. By the way, general observation. The white students here, they all got blue jeans on and the black students are just dressed to the T in this. It's just just a general observation. That's makes me think about what you say when you say about coming over when you had Yes,

yes, yes, exactly. Yeah, you have to dress to impress, you have to look the part. That was that was the main thing. So now we're gonna get into Jerry Jones response and that attack, quote, unquote, when I say attack, I'm talking about the strategic plan to put him on the hot seat on his day. I mean, like Thanksgiving Day as his Christmas, it because he used to put his big stadium or showcase America's team or showcase. And he asked to answer questions

like this. And clip for Jerry. It's also in the Washington Post article in how the picture they paint a view from a picture when you were 14 years old, yeah. That was, gosh, 6065 years ago and curious kid didn't know at the time the monumental event really that was that was going on, and I'm sure glad that we're a long way from that. I am. And we just would that would remind me He just continued to do everything we can to not have those kinds of things happen

in your grids just being in the photo being there at all. Any regrets on being in the photo being there at all? Well, I didn't know. I wouldn't have just dug that up, for sure. And seriously, but that was curiously, I got criticized because I was more interested in how I was going to be punished by my coaches and everybody for being out front. But nobody there had any idea, frankly, what was going to take place?

You didn't. We didn't have all the last 70 years of reference and all the things that were going on, and so you didn't have a reference point. They're still up. I've got a habit of sticking his nose to my place at the wrong time. Ooh, Mr. Jones, you have no idea what's coming down the pike. Clearly. He had no idea. What is he separated from reality? No, he has a lot of protectors in the media. Because he is like I said the king of the NFL. Yeah. And NFL is the king of all

television shows in America. No doubt. Would you agree? I mean, okay, so not yet enough for me. Yes, because I, I always watch the Super Bowl. So right there. It's just a media event. I love how it's I love how it's put together. I will say I also watch a good bit of soccer. I do like the soccer. But when it comes to American television made for the commercials football is your game. That and that's the point is is not like basketball is constant

flowing. You could stop the game anytime you want to is great. It's great for advertisement. And it's like I said, it's in our tradition, even with the imagery and you know that we got to get to lighter. Um, and you know, with the whole race thing is sitting down with your grandfather, your fathers, your

brothers, your uncle's watching the game. I think I bought I think I think I've mentioned this before, but when I was growing up in the Netherlands, you know, that you couldn't get obviously EMEA, there's two channels, they were not going to show football, the Americans, the American Women's Club of Amsterdam, the which is just a data library and other things. They had Game of the Week, brought to you by American Express, and they'd

have done that. And it was on film. And my dad and I would go on, I don't know, maybe Monday night or Tuesday night, and we go watch the highlight reel that was sent from America. And I remember thinking like, was so cool, because they had snow, snow games, and drying, they do the slow mo and I just be like, Wow, this is so amazing. It wasn't I didn't understand much of the game really. At the time. I was very young. But I remember

how impactful that was. And it just it was a cool thing to watch. It's the way it's shot. Yeah, NFL has hundreds of cameras. Yeah, one game getting every angle. And now we fast forward to introducing the modern day. I mean, you they're tracking the balding answers in the ball. Tell me how I got fast guys are running. Yeah. What's the odds of them making plays? And this and that. And And speaking of eyes, it's a huge gambling sport. Yes. Which is gambling. If you have if you watch TV now,

you see gambling is wide open. Um, and you know, across the United States, I think there's some states that don't allow gambling, but for the most part, gambling has been a huge part of, you know, the growth of sports. We'd like to start in with fantasy sports betting is what we prefer to say, well, we don't like saying gambling and sports betting. Okay. Before

I get you politically correct, yeah. But yeah, so this is this is, this is sports and the fact like I said he had to answer these questions after his cowboys had ticket centerstage on Thanksgiving, instead of talking about well, he likes to talk about the Cowboys. And he's had run ins with race because when the whole Kaepernick take a knee thing, he told his players we're gonna do what's best for business. We're gonna make a

business decision here. Right, and we're in the show you just the force of Kaepernick, he even had to come out and make a pivot to take a knee with his players. And that kind of like, showed the force of Nike and all these other forces that was trying to take out in the NFL. Right, right. So I guess we can go and get to the second part of him being interrogated. Part Two. Did you get did you get in trouble with your coach or being

ushered in? What was the punishment? Well, you know, I was young sophomore trying to make the team and they kicked my ass, Gary, Gary, he came up to Little Rock situation, and Little Rock Central. All right. That photo on there An incident excuse me that came after the situation in Little Rock Central. Well, that was North Little Rock Ranch was literally just two or three miles away. It wasn't the same day A Little Rock Central that came when, as I recall, as I recall, it was certainly in

proximity with it. Those were certainly the issues that were going on, but did not have the structure that was not the event at the central thing. Oh, that's interesting. I think now he's figured it out in this interview was like, Oh, they got something here. That's tread lightly. Yeah. And speaking of treading lightly notice the reporters are trading light. Because you're talking to a guy that can get you sick or sent you to the covering stadium. Yeah, go ahead, go

cover No, no, not kick. You have you covered water polo in Siberia somewhere. If you step on the wrong thing, and Jerry Jones had a lot of people come out and protect him. You know, after the fallout happened, one being Steven a Smith. And I could have went that way in the show. But I really didn't want to go to I want to understand people to understand how this

attack word. I mean, the mechanics of it. Like, like, now when he's bringing us Central High even you notice like, oh, okay, yeah, by this is bigger than just me being over my high school. You're trying to make me the face of racism in the south in the 1950s. And so again, the premise here is that this is a targeted attack by Bezos owner of The Washington Post who wants to own a team and met with that as the backdrop this is already, you

know, clip five, I'm already outraged what's going on? That's crazy. So I just I just want I just want to lay that out for people. And like I said, he has noted for Jerry Gerald, because he has the, the money and the power to protect himself. But I, like I said, always want to look at what the plays like. Why is this happening? Why is it happening now? Oh, the Washington Post. That's interesting. And you see a little nuggets, all Jay Z and

Bezos trying to buy a team. And what I tried to do is connect all this together one more thing, before we move on. Notice his coaches that got he got in trouble with his coaches kicked his. Yeah. Why would he get in trouble with his coaches? Who were asking that question later? Yeah, because coaches are trying to get the best talent. I'm just gonna leave it there. They're trying to get the best talent no matter where it comes from.

Haha. I got you. And maybe that's why the players were up there protesting because they felt there some better flowers were coming in. Yeah, exactly. So the reporters went a little too far in this next clip. And I want you to just to pick up when a billionaire has had enough to do you understand the perception that people have standing there? Because that was not exactly a welcoming committee that? I sure do. And I'm understanding that. Just

understand it. Yes. So for the people that look at that and say you were a part of that. And you're saying you were curious. And other people were saying, Well, this was a crowd, basically, you know, look, look, left six, five years ago, right down, and I had no idea would have walked up there what we were doing. And it just is a reminder to me of have improved and do things the right way. So what did you think of the crowd who these kids were just

trying to go to school? There's a whole lot of people that have a lot of hostility towards us. Yeah. Were you want to ask me what I was thinking? Okay, I was thinking about, I won't get in trouble for being up here. And I didn't know what was going on. And I was 15 years old. And so having said that, that's, that's that's all that I can remember. Okay.

I gotta say something about this in the picture. This picture though, it's from every all of you, because you're seeing cameras behind cameras in front, it's an elevated shot from above. This thing reminds me because a picture is just a moment in time. Right? Right. And you can, you can make up any story you want. And when I see this picture, black and white, for some reason, the time of course, the quality of the

photo. It reminds me of Jack Ruby shooting Harvey Oswald in like in your I'm glad you picked up on that because these weren't his kids that showed up and say, hey, I want to go to your high school. No, this goes all the way back to Brown versus Board of Education. We talked about that on a previous show, and how all that was orchestrated the right kids were selected the right case, the right place. This was just a continuation of that. it and I believe this was a, you know, a

dry ruin. But what was going to happen over Central High? Okay, yeah. And well, again, coincidence that this, this is different from all the press that is standing, this is from above and the top, it's showing everything you'd want to see to build this story. Interesting. Interesting. And where did this picture come from? I mean, you know, that's the that's the real question that nobody really answered. Is, did Daniel Smith, is this someone that dirt? And I have no

answer this question I'm about to ask. But I have to ask it. Did Daniel Snyder have access to this picture? And Barter is like, Hey, I got a bigger fish for you. You know, if you don't want to buy my team. Bezos is like who much rather have the preeminent team, then all the team with all the political baggage and problems? Yeah, right. They come with it. And this last day of Schneider live, they were saying to see another

day. I'm just I'm just laying it out there. But what we got to do now is get the background of the picture, we're going to these next few clips will contextualize the environment of what was going on in little Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957. So this is a history report History Channel report. And this

is Ernest Green, one of the class of 58, a black one, the black students speaking helmets, an event that forever altered the course of race relations in America. As our image reveals itself, the 1957 school year is about to begin. And an angry mob is trying to stop nine black students from entering Central High in Little Rock, Arkansas. Question I usually get asked is, where are we scared? I think initially, we didn't anticipate clearly all of the violence and

turmoil that occurred. First day that we attempted to go to school, eight of us were at one part of the school and Elizabeth Eckford was another part. And there was a mob that followed Elizabeth then you began to feel that this was a very hostile violent group of people. Even at that point, I told myself that if we didn't go through with it didn't attend Central and backed

out. It would just reinforce the view that the African American community and Little Rock wasn't interested and making a change in things. Highlighted trauma bass music, yep. Very good. Where's that? Where's that from History Channel. Now? Of course, hello. William P straighter. Was the photographer apparently. Okay. Um, I don't know if I can find that. It has no real information on him. But yeah, you're fine. He was Associated Press. He was an

AP reporter. Interesting. Yeah. So so now we got this set up. We have the essential, the Little Rock Nine. And like I said, one of the ones got separated and one in eight. And they got together, they finally mates together. And this is what this is what they met, trying to get into school. So you want to continue on and the question is, yeah, no, no, no, I'm good. Let's keep rolling. I got the next few traumatized. Yeah. All right, traumatize me people.

Nice. During the 1950s African Americans throughout the country were trying to make their voices heard. We've Alabama, now and will continue to carry on our mass protests. To drive demand that I get to see the fight man didn't do that I was being treated as a human being I refuse to give up this little rock was a year after the Montgomery bus boycott. So we had seen the impact of Rosa Parks and the beginning of Dr. King's Korea and knew that things could change.

Man, that's some good trauma music. That's a great man. They had all the triggers in their MLK yo, Rosa Parks, which we spoke about. We spoke about Rosa Parks and the whole of that she was in Tennessee. Yeah, there was a she was a Hollywood version of the real thing. Well, and speaking of which, we're not gonna go too far down

for down too far down this rabbit hole. But yeh got himself in some trouble other than what he was already telling me he got in some trouble I hadn't heard about that and you had to bring Yeah. Reporting thing but he he made a statement saying he rose apart

was a plant which Yes, yes. How kya it says it you're saying can be very triggering but we talked about this in her relationship with her I forget the family's name, but it went back to Hugo Black, who was a Supreme Court justice and the lawyer that were behind her so yeah, if you're listening just don't be a deadbeat brother you will say like I was so bad with yeas comment that I saw articles appearing reaffirming how legit Rosa Parks was.

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promote promoting. What we're doing over here is and if anyone's interested, I'll put some links into Claudette Colvin, you might be interested in that. Right. So let's go ahead and wrap up with this, this trauma based entertainment as we call it with clip number three. The first step for the Little Rock Nine came in May 1954, when the US Supreme Court issued its opinion in the landmark case, Brown versus the Topeka, Kansas Board of Education. Separate but

equal was inherently unequal. And integration was now the law of the land. In 1957, this decision and the power of the federal government were tested in Little Rock, Arkansas. We didn't at the moment we were selected, have any idea was going to be as difficult as it turned out to be in the face of protest at Central High School, the governor of Arkansas, Orville faultless calls out the National Guard. His official reasoning is to preserve the peace and prevent violence.

It wasn't clearly wasn't to protect us, it was to make a symbolic stand. It was to protect the way of life in the south, because they borrowed I entrance. Alright, so now you see it's a bigger play going on. Yeah, and this is how they use special interest groups, race being the

one here, less use controversy to make bigger change. And this was really about state rights, what the federal government could tell states, right, that was the bigger play, but they use, quote unquote, black people as the battering ram to, you know, force their way into the schools. So the state, the federal government could stretch their power. Now, when you're saying and events that power when you say they who are you referring to, in this case,

the NAACP. And that was one of the big groups that was backing now the Little Rock Nine, and these other liberal operations that wanted to see the federal government gaining power. So I'm gonna do it. Now that you asked that question. I'm going to do a quick change on the fly. Let's listen to 11 first, because that's as your Orval Faubus, the governor of Arkansas, and he's gonna go more into the state REITs and then we'll come back to 10

Central. Hi, we are now an occupied territory. Evidence of the nekkid force of the federal government is here apparent in these and unsheath bayonets in the backs of school girls, in the back of students, and in the bloody face of this railroad worker, who was bayoneted and then fell by the bed of a rifle in the hands of a sergeant of the United States, a 101st Airborne Division. That can be no question of the supremacy of the United States Army, when used against a defenseless

state. Therefore, we must continue our peaceful pursuits of life, being good citizens, as the overwhelming majority of our people have always been. I have been working in fighting for the right of my people to solve their problems peacefully. This as we know requires time and patience. I shall continue on relentlessly on this course. That was at the National Guard who did that. Yes, okay. Yeah, it's messed up.

Right. So This was a response school immigration was a response to, quote unquote, black people asking for a separate but equal. It's like if you got to school, we want an identical school, you have x this edition of a book, we want that additional book, you know, same resources, right? It wasn't the be forced together. Because one able to do was really and I got some clips to show that we talked about it before on the show. To back up my claim. My father was one of those people.

I've talked about this before that, um, he was actually, I guess you would call it bus because it went bust when he was forced to go to integrate school his senior year high school. Yeah. Imagine he and Kamala Harris, they both had to do that. Right. Right. And but the thing was, is my dad wasn't going forward. He wasn't with his hands. He went with his hands elected student.

And this is no slight at the people that were selected. But of course, they are selected people with a certain disposition to be that could be spat on and not hit back to you know, they got they got violence and abuse, they got they, they audition them without them knowing it. Correct. And you had to show the search correct temperament which my father did not have the correct temperament because he was constantly getting into brawls at school. Yeah,

I wonder if that was passed down to you at all? No, I wonder, I wonder. No rebel hair. I, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. But but at the

same time, he was able to graduate, you know, but I'm just saying this is this was forced, and it's the force thing. So I have, we're gonna go back to 10 now, and we're gonna lose himself old, southern white man. Speak on what how he felt about the force integration. Do you think the Negro students ever will get in here? I think

they'll get in here. But I don't know how long they'll lay up after they do get in here at Monash at Monash because they cannot keep the police out here always hoping to get in and finish and you have to start with or if the President brings in federal troops. I don't think the President has to be under the Constitution,

the president has the authority to send in federal troops. And last night, I asked that taking all of the state rights away from the States when they do I think like, that's only my opinion. Yeah, very appropriate for today. Yeah, and that's we've seen more and more, as we talked about before, and I said that a lot. But this covers a lot of the things we talked about with you having red states and blue

states. But if you didn't think make something a federal law, it supersedes what the states rights cover, which you see with Roe versus Wade dress well was a big deal when they say kick it back to the state, right? It's constitutional Exactly. Right. They want to codify it to, you know, federal law. And we've seen that with the Marriage Act and those kinds of things. And maybe just a quick reminder for people that the Constitution of the United States, many people don't know this or forget

it. There's a lot of people not from America, listening to this podcast. The constitution is literally a document, particularly the Bill of Rights, all the amendments that that explains what the federal government is not allowed to do. What they're not they it's really a restriction for the federal government. And if it's not expressly in the Constitution, it's all the state's business. And that, of course, has been inked. And this is 1957. We've encroached that

so far. It's so far from where it originally was. But that is the original, the original deal of the Federation of the United States. Right. And that was the bigger play for the federal government to have your have overreach, where they were using black students as the battering ram. Oh, this is good. We've kept on that tip. We see that like, Now fast forward, we're seeing it more with the LGBT community. It's like, if you don't want drag queens, coming to your school and reading, you know,

something's wrong with you. And people like, Oh, that's a little bit too far for me. You know, I'm just showing you the same play then is the same play now. And we see the same thing happen with Jerry Jones. There's a bigger play, they play on your ratio, your ratio reflex to you know, to get emotional when you that's when you really need to start thinking it's like okay, be more critical. Like why do you want me to feel this way? Why all of a sudden, you know, I thought this who surprised that

Jerry Jones has some racist skeletons in his past man. Hey, you're old At his age, yes, coming from Arkansas, right. And being raised around people like the last man speaking. You know, he would like to say I don't I don't know how long ago we're gonna be here. They might get here and he's on camera, say me. So that just tells you how bold he is. But of course that didn't trigger now to the youth would Adam? No, no kidding. Number 12

is all about. Well, certain groups have voiced their opinions that the school should be reopened even if it's on an integrated basis. And we just find that we still have the majority of the people behind us back and forth on segregated school you'd rather keep the school closed and open or integrated right we're willing to leave them closed a little bit longer farmers can help us and we think he can you're putting everything on him? Yes. I'm getting most

of the kids and all the high school Phyllis way. You think you can? Do you think you've been suppose suppose this were a long fight? Suppose it meant no school for a year you still feel wow, it wasn't just the old folks. Now, what's interesting, though, and maybe we'll get to this is how we've come around full circle to the upside down world where now we have you know, black groups requesting segregation, segregation, of of school of dormitory segregation of all kinds of stuff.

In what it is, is it's a perversion of separate but equal Yeah, is that we want to be in your university and that's great foreshadow for where we're headed. But is that we want to carve out a space and your institutions, and it's but it's not as equal but not separate. It's like we want to be embedded or equal. I mean, like it's a weird perversion. Oh, separate but equal, because we like we want to be over here. Y'all are

over there. If we interact, we interact but don't force us to be together because I'm gonna say it like this being was apparent, man. There's no way you use my childhood test dummy, not happening. Now. If he came to me, Hey, you want your kid to be go right now? Rather than stay at the school where they're at, and not be emotionally abused and traumatize rather

than have some kind of symbolic victory? And I'm gonna tell you how far I just gotta get this get this one story out because this whole thing surrounded by my father and night he we were in a place called spindle North Carolina, but we moved to Durham, North Carolina. And in Durham, North Carolina was Durham high. Durham high in 1959 was integrated. Oh, by Lou Lou Hannon. No, no, no, excuse me. Let me make sure I get their name right put respetar name it was Jocelyn mystic McKissick and

Clotet Bram was caught it That's a great name. Yeah, they want to be a rebel. Yeah, um, but they were integrated. The urban legend around Durham is they put see me in a Olympic sized swimming pool. Well, I Olympic depth, somewhat the same size but a professional type swimming pool they filled up with see me instead of letting black kids swimming, that's the urban legend. Now there is there is a picture of the swimming pool, but the swim pool ain't there no more. It's I don't know what

happened to it. I don't know how you get rid of swimming pool, but I'm just telling you how these things have life are their own. And these stories carry on, you know, like, rather to swim with black kids, we'd rather not have a swimming pool. That was the response to integration. Now going forward, we're gonna go

back going forward, we gotta go back to the show. 51 that was civil wrongs. And this was the gentleman from Farmville speaking on a black man. Speaking about how he wasn't too excited to be integrated himself. When I first heard about integration and heard that may possibly one day be the you know, the way things would go. I had very mixed feelings about it. I was no more anxious to mingle with white people than I'm sure many of them were

anxious to mingle with me. I felt the same reservations the same prejudices I guess I'm they may as well say that any of them felt you know. So I was not at all thrilled over the prospect. But as time went on, I began to realize that possibly this was, after all, the only way that the terrible injustice is could be somewhat alleviated. And so more and more, I began to favor the

idea of integration. But I think many black people just decided they really didn't want any parts of white people, they would have preferred if it were, you know, I've often thought if separate but equal had been a reality you'd never had an integration struggle. Yeah, this was mo fax 51 If anyone's looking for the show, 51 That was our silver wrongs. So because that we talked about this before, but we have to go back revisit it

because we are sick. This is this. What the spell was leaning upon that was casted is like, yeah, what's this trigger up? That's the Little Rock Nine, tie Jerry Jones to that. And maybe we can get some a wedge in there, to try to force him out of his out of his team. I'll put pressure on, you know, or, at least, Bezos would gain more leverage in this situation.

Especially trying to buy a team with a quote unquote, black owner being Jay Z. And just just a quick thing on the, on the integration, and we probably talked about this, maybe even on 51, where I went to college for exactly one semester, Salem, West Virginia. And it was 50%, Black 50%, white. Most people from the East Coast, the kids are from mainly south Jersey. And I remember my roommate, Ty Hamilton, I remember us both looking at each

other like, oh, okay, I didn't even know that he was black. He probably figured that maybe with a name like Adam, he didn't think that I would be white. But I remember that first day in the dorm room, like, Oh, hey. And of course, I wasn't white. I was from Holland because I pulled up my boombox and threw on some Shannon let the music play and we became friends. And that really connected us. But I felt, I definitely felt the tension.

And it was real from from both sides. But then once we connected, it was I was welcomed equally by black and white students and across the school. But I remember the tension. And that was 1982 or 83 years, something like that. And another thing that we had to factor in is that we had a lot of northerners coming now South not understanding the politics

of the South, right. And you have to live in the south to understand the racial politics of the South. It's a total different experience from being raised anywhere else. Because maybe we're too dumb, or too too brave to leave black people that are self, you know, however you want to look at it, because you're not running me. I'm not, I come from a lot of people that didn't, and this is no disrespect to people that moon

door for better opportunities, I have failed me to do that. But the ones that stayed, we just have a different understanding of racial politics in the South. Even me being born in 1980. There was just cuz I was raised by, you know, a black man was born in 1951. Right, you know, that experience, Jim Crow, and all these things. So, like I said, they come in and they start pulling out these threads. But they don't understand the brunt of the force is going to end up on their, on the people

on there. I hate to use the word on their operators. I don't think of it unknowingly, unknowingly. They're not the ones gonna take the loan, it's gonna be the black students to take the loss in the trauma and the end. And no, I'm not for that. Like I said, I'll reiterate my point, there's no way in hell my kids would be taught man experiences some trauma like that. Yeah, if you can, if you can shield them from

that, of course you will. But we can't put all the blame of separate but equal on just the you know, people that were given the resources. As the gentleman pointed out, in part two of this clip, it was also the black leadership that fail the black

schools, black people would have been, I think, would have been very, very satisfied to maintain but just make sure it's equal. And that's where the problem are our mountain high schooler, a joke man with a couple of tarpaper shacks, which will unsightly and compared to the formula high school, you know, this this the idea of separate but equal books, so, so torn apart. In one case, a friend of mine is supposed to teach chemistry man, the only books he could get. He had shreds and particles with

pieces of books. And by linking up in his classroom, these passed out what he had. By linking up together, the kids were then able to, to get together enough material to these books had been discarded by the white high school some years before and passed on to the black school. Now this points out the the weakness and the corruption of the principal

who was black. This teacher friend of mine, not knowing the chain of commands, a brand new teacher went to the superintendent said, Look, we're gonna get to where I can work with it, how can I teach chemistry with this junk, and immediately got suspended? Oh, no bookstores classroom. Now, the point of this is, that principle could also have done that, but it was better for the principal to report a surplus at the end, that happened. I don't even remember, this clip is so weird.

So this is the Boulais at work, because this is where that I'm different come in, at. And we're going to get into that in the next clip what that really means. But look at me, I'm one of a few. That's what that is, when people will lean into that and accept that I'm different. They're saying, I'm one of a few. I'm one of the talented 10th. I'm one of the exceptional black people you're not. You're not always the other black people. Correct. And

people lean into that because it makes them feel special. But you got to understand what's not you but the proverbial, you have to

understand what's being said with it is like we think most of y'all think down here. But but by the grace of God, or you know, just sheer luck, you're different. You know, and really, both sides of his argument are operating from a place where it's a new term I coined, called a scientific white supremacist. And they, they base their logic off of science to say, oh, you know, black people aren't as smart as everybody else we've

done the numbers we run, we run the numbers. Now you will have different, you know, gradients, but overall, they're, they're lesser. So on one side, you say, well, we have to step in, this will be the NAACP, you know, and I'm racist like that we have to step in for and think for the black people. You know, and then the other side is, I don't want to go with those last names. You

know, I don't want those animals around my children. I mean, you heard Joe Biden being a legend, he made that statement who do you know, become racial jungles? That's what he's referring to. He's saying what he's alleged to say that, um, but I'm just saying so it's not that both sides look at is, you know, these are free thinking people and let's give them the resources and see how it pans out is that we have to influence

and step in, and you know, and commandeer their situation. So to prove my point about the scientific racism, scientific white supremacy is, this is Jerry Jarrett Taylor, this goes back to 85. Overman. And we talked about Darwin and things of that nature. We might need a trigger warning when we've saved

you can grab that while I finish up. But this is how a true scientific White's their premises things. And he said it out loud. Warning, warning, warning, your attention. Trigger warning has been activated. whites and Asians evolved in harsh northern climates, in which people had to make plans to make it through the winter. They had to cooperate to hunt and share food. And couples had to stay together for children to survive. Africa was more

forgiving. Cooperation, planning ahead and care for children were less important. Psychopaths could survive, reproduce and pass along their genes. I think this is as good an explanation as any. The point is, however they got that way. People of different races are on average, different. expecting everyone to be the same is crazy. Blaming whites when blacks fall short, is not just crazy. It's vicious. Until we understand this, we can't even begin to talk about America's problems, much less

solve them. Thank you for watching. Thank you, Jerry. Yep, thanks. Oh. So this is what it boils down to is that is it nature, is it nurture. He's leaning on the side it was you know, is due to genetics. You know, Asian and white people come from harsh conditions and it killed off more to sociopaths. Right? And black people have more sociopaths because they gave him they were reproducing and more accommodating and benefit issue

environment. This is this is the crux of the scientific white supremacy argument, right, which was was raging back in the 20s. And the 30s. Of course, we had the eugenics Society of America, which never really went away. And after, after the whole Hitler thing, which was kind of annoying for us, then it kind of came back. And yeah, I don't even know if that debate has ever left. No, it doesn't. So but now I have a clip of Malcolm X. He's

saying there is a difference, but he leans more towards nurture and environment. It's a very interesting clip. So number 16. This is Part true, you won't find very many people who are Afro American who will admit it. But if it is true, why, it is true that there is a sluggishness, intellectual sluggishness, academic sluggishness, in almost any negro community. But this exists only because of the result that has come up on us through years and years of slavery and being

held down in this society. This is why I made reference to the book crisis in black and white, this particular man gives a very good scientific analysis as to why there this lethargy exists in the negro community, it is something that has been created by the system, the system is designed to make the Negro student lose his interest in education almost before he even

gets started in school. And the parents usually who are also limited where education is concerned and have who have run into so many barriers and obstacles, despite the fact they had education. Sometimes they ask themselves, what's the use.

So as long as the system that we are in exists, and this system that the survival of this system depends upon the continued exploitation of the black men in this country, the survival of it depends upon the continued degrading of the black men in this country in the necessity of using us as the whipping boy in the Alaba, in the excuse that as long as this system exists, then you will find that our people will have the same attitude toward education. And that and they have a justified, I should

say they have they haven't answered they can explain. But at the same time, the burden rests upon the leaders of the Afro American community to try and instill within the youth especially the desire to further their education, because without it, you're not going anywhere on this earth today. Yeah, enter all the Reverend and the pastors who did such a good job at that. Correct. And this is why I was such i and that was a it's such a opponent of CRT critical race theory, because all it does is

further the lower expectations of black students. Enter math is racist. Oh, yeah, that can be more than one. According to your zip code, your socio economic status, you're allowed to have more than one right answer to a math problem. How in the hell does that help? It helps helps enslave people even more. Sway, I see. Wish it handicaps you, which makes you more reliant on the

people that come in and say, oh, you know, poor you. Now you need my help, even more wishes sets this that white savior thing that I think Bill Berg talked about in his comedy scan. Yes, it's true racism is the true racism of today. Right? Because if you if, let's, I'm to the point, let's prove it, let's have separate but equal, let's have equal resources. And if you're, if you're right, then this test

scores will stay lower. that will that will, if it's a cap on black intellectual capabilities, it will be shown in separate but equal because you have an experiment, you can only have

one variable, right? That's the scientific method. So the one variable will be race, you got the same environment, same school, same materials, everything else, and now we'll see this black intellectual capability go up, or they're in a state of stagnant or does it go down, but they don't want to do that because both sides benefit from this song and dance

one. They're both scientific white supremacist, and I'm sorry to say that but I'm not really sorry to say that and they also both sides benefit from from it. And what they tried to do to Jerry Jones is make him the face of white supremacy like they try to make the kk k to white supreme in the face of white supremacy. You know, it's not that people in white seats that are our problem is the people in white coats. It's Yes,

and it's not even people with white skin necessarily early. I mean, if we if we know that, you know, the true, white supremecy. You know, coming from Europe, it really isn't even that much about the white face anymore. Right. And that's when i That's why I made the point of saying I said on a previous show that they're making the quote unquote Magga people, a person of color, orange, hey, how about this? Can I just adapt your because you had

scientific white supremacy supremacists? How about white coats supremacist? No, because these Now, the reason why I say push back against that, because you got to go back to clip 15. It's the logic, they say we are the smartest people on the face of the earth. And this is what Bill Gates comes down and say, Hey, we could kill off 90% of people. Because we're the smartest people on Earth. Yeah, and really, we're the only really people value adding people is like, 10%. So we can do well,

the other 90%. You know, I mean, that's, that's their mentor, and it's based off of Darwinism. I know, that frustrates a lot of people. But the ACE is, that's the whole point of race, is to put people at hierarchies to say, Okay, this one is smarter than this one, this I'm smarter than this one, do 100% due to

genetics. So I think if we try to do that, we lose the point of they are backing everything they think the scientific wise the premises off of the genetics, the science of genetics, this, this is why I said this is why they go and say, like I said, this is why they push birth control and all these other

things. And just to move to show for a little bit. This is why the creation of the town the 10th, aka the Boulais was created to say we understand scientifically, y'all will have smart people not at the right we do wish y'all will. So what we do is we will carve out a place for them, but the other 9% Gotta go screw you know, kill you. One way, this the end, I want to make this clear, even better. Born that's the best No, not kill them before they bore you. You're almost there, kill

them before they reproduce. Okay. The goal is to sterilize sterilized that then that was the eugenics movement was sterilization. Correct. The reason why they had to do this is because, and shout out to my man grunt me who had this long conversation, it really boils down to one marshmallow to marshmallow. And sorry, I'm belaboring this, but we got to get this kind of laid out for the show the rest of the show. Makes me understood double Yeah, it makes sense.

Have you ever heard the marshmallow test? Well, I've heard of the brown paper bag test. Now the marshmallow test was his book written. And they said people to eat one marshmallow. They gave kids marshmallow. They said, you can eat the one marshmallow now. Or if you wait to Marshmallow, yes, we've talked about this. Right. So that's their whole point. They trying to get rid of all the one marshmallow people that people that can't delay gratification.

That's the scientific what the Jared Taylor's talking about. They quote unquote, gay when I say that he's talking about black people. And brown people are saying different here, just just to AR one marshmallow people just to give some context. This was a Stanford experiment, Stanford

University from 1972. Right, and was only really challenged harshly in the last couple of years, I think, came up again, where it's still being pushed, is that even like some of these other flawed thought processes is that you know, that and way Jarrett is looking at it. And I'm not pointing him out particularly but people that think like him, there's a greater percentage of one marshmallow people and black people. So we can dance around the subject, or we can use you

know, address the subject. And that's when your birth control and your abortion and sterilization. Another form of sterilization is trans trans transitioning, which is just another form of that we have to voluntary sterilization my friend, right we have to kill them before they reproduce even what's happening in Canada right now. You're depressed, die, die, we'll help you die

before you reproduce. Because guess what? That one one marshmallow person can make three or four or five or 10 and the two marshmallow people are not reproducing at the same rate. This This is the sixth scientific mind we're dealing with here that they want to play God and that's why I can't get on board with it.

No, of course not. And I'll just say again, because I made such a study of it after I know this was maybe five, six shows ago I really, I really did a deep dive into the eugenics Society of America. It's still here, it's still the same thinking it's the same ideas. It never, never went away. constant drumbeat one foot after other slow and that's why I always point to the Fabian

socialist. Their mentality is progress continual improvement and it's a very scientific and I know I've said scientific a bunch but I want to make this is not emotional. We have to take the emotion out of things understand. The lizard people are scared as hell and what a lizard people do. They either fight or flight. Right that's it and they're like, we can't fly off Earth just yet. So what do we got to do? We have to go on

the offensive. Ie you're saying the vaccinations, trans transitioning, abortion birth control, giving up your right to reproduce due to the for climate change all of these things then around. If you're dumb enough to fall for this, you're not smart enough to go to the future where we're headed there. Just you just set it right there. Let's put something out there and you're dumb enough to fall for it. We were right about you. That's

right. And and to the town that Tim could they say, Okay, y'all get your different now here we come with the you're different. Now I have to humanize everybody, as always do you have to look at it from the flip side of the tablet 10. They say I have these special abilities you skills. And I can say I know we'd be labeled in between clips, but I have to make this clear what's going on. Because I was one of these kids that was in this class. This is just Joe Brown. And it's a video of him

talking to these looks like you know, preteen kids, and he's going to tell them how they're to tell teeth and how they're obligated to raise their race up, which I have no issue with that. But it's who you recruited him that you send them off to these PMIs predominantly PWI excuse me, predominately white institutions, where they'll be isolated, you know, from their people, they'll be seen as different by their people, and

they won't be effective. So basically, what you're doing is, you know, taking the cream of the crop and leaving the other 90% behind. But if you think you've been blessed with a certain skill to elevate your people, and if so to you like JoJo Brown is selling it to them. And I said I don't think he has an ill willing his heart. But I want because I've had this conversation. I was I told you I was elected. Seventh grade

treasurer. Right. And they came in Are you going to be on the Freedom Riders the future? Yeah, let's get on the bus. All right around. Yeah. And this is a kind of speech you will get when you were put on the bus 17 is Wow, Bose, however you want to pronounce the spoke of the

talented 10. That is the 1/10 of the population of what he called Colored Peoples in negros, blacks and Afro American, then black and then African American. And considering sort of developments, maybe Afro American again, but anyway, one tear of the race, he said we'll be able to improve themselves and then being conscientious and dedicated to the cause. Cool the rest of the people that wish. Now some way somehow that stopped being manifest objective of people who've done education,

we slid back. So this neighborhood no longer has leadership. Everybody kind of takes off Rosa Parks when they leave the workplace. But we have to still exercise leadership because we should be in charge if we have a challenge. And as an obligation. And when when was this from this judge brown clip? This looks like the early 2000s. I'm just going by video. I mean, I don't have a set date and I'm looking by dressing and that

kind of thing. It looks maybe early 2000s When this was taken, and like I said he doesn't have any ill will towards this is the the argument you know, Booker T Washington, W EB Dubois, that's the art do we build from ground up? Or do we start with top down for you? Right, you elevate your 10% and then they reach back

down and pull up. Or do you say we build a strong foundation and you know that foundation elevates another layer of level and another level and another level you have a strong foundation, which even given the dichotomy here We're saying or the other binary choice is dumb to me, because you need both? Well, of course, this is what has been done that you had two groups come in and say, choice A or choice B. And just to go back

for a minute, cuz I want to bring up trading places. For me, this is what this was all about was, are they genetically this

way? Or is it nature versus nurture? You know, that kind of thing. And as you see how to move, it's played out, if you change the person, the environment, you know, it changes their outlook, which, you know, let their true capability shine through. But that's what it brought me in. That's what it boils down to. And it's very, it's very cold, calculating, and, and scientific to say that we're for 100 times,

but we have to not throw the science part out with it. But they trigger you by triggering your emotion to say, oh, Jerry

Jones, here he is, he was saying 80 years ago. And it was black and white picture. Now be mad and noise solutions b2b Man, the way we want you to react, so we can get him out, get the team get Jay Z and build a new stadium gentrify the whole neighborhood make make a billion dollars. Even with that it's get Jay Z and but as you pointed out to get 1/10 of a percent, but plan on your emotions. Oh, we got a black owner. Now. Do we really know. Bezos is the you know,

JC literally like owned 0.3% of the nets or something? It's like so infinitesimal. This he did, but he sold it, you know, and Jay Z is playing chess here. You know, he did basketball. First. They got in a sports agency. And then he got the Super Bowl contract to do all the media to do all the rest. But we owe the halftime show. But we got to back up one step because he was on Colin Kaepernick side in the beginning. Right, right. That's

why I told you that was Jay Z's pancake moment. And if people don't know talking about when Bill Cosby gave that pancake speech, that's when he kind of lost the backing of quote unquote black people because like, Whoa, you're on common side now all of a sudden, you know, you're doing halftime show for the NFL and Super Bowl. And that was a bad look for us because it portrayed the wrong image. You know, racial image does it make us play the poundcake again,

if you want to ensure just to give people content Yeah, I'd like to do that hold on a sec. In the old days, you couldn't because behind every drawn shade was alive. And before your mother got off the bus into the house, she knew exactly where you had gone who had gone into the house. Parents don't know that. I'm talking about these people who cry when the sun is standing there in an orange

suit. Where were you willing was to where were you when he was 12 Where were you when he was 18 and I've come you don't know he had a season not these are these are not political criminals.

These are people going around stealing Coca Cola people getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake and then we all run out were outraged to shut down would you do with the pound yeah, there's a second part to it but I think it's clear enough with that but now you see when he said these people that's that that's that different top right eye we're different is these people which of course we have issues but when you separate yourself

from the group this is why nobody came right in for Bill Cosby when he got hemmed up. It's like okay, you know, he's going back out he's going back out on the ice we're going to do a tour.

He has to because I told you they only let him out of jail to drain his pockets that was the whole point when we did the show it was like I got to pack my bag and stuff in the back sometimes because like I knew this is all really let them out is to say okay we got you wish there was no constitutional reasoning for them have them you know, cuz you couldn't you're saying self incriminate yourself that way was like now we got to let them out because we can't sue him while he's in jail. Right?

I'll give you a little route shot for that. We remember all right. So now we're going to fast forward and talk here for

one Little Rock Nine and she received most of them Most some of the most harshest abuse and this is Megyn Kelly talking to her black history month. We remember that day in September of 1957, when nine black teenagers enrolled in a white High School in Little Rock, Arkansas, the group of teens would become known as the Little Rock Nine, and their actions sparked one of the most pivotable pivotal moments of the civil rights movement. One of the Little Rock Nine is Melba Pattillo Beals,

then she was a 15 year old high school junior. Today, she is an accomplished author and retired University professor who joins us this morning live. But first, her memory of those days. In her own words, I was never up for the task, people who call us heroes and heroines have no idea that it's 15 I was still in love with Johnny Mathis and Pat Boone. So I was a typical teenager, I wanted what every other teenager when any new school you go to,

you know, you're going to have a problem. So I anticipated that. Initially, they would not like us because of we were outsiders. But my thought was I have a point till my shoes are polished. In my innocence, I thought they will see that I am bright, brighter than most of them. So what are they going to do? You know? And I by that I knew who I was, and I know what I'm capable of. And I was self assured in that way.

I didn't realize it but there was more than half or girls, I think of the Little Rock now. Yes. Going back to what I said before about you had to have the right temperament, right? You couldn't have nine strapping young black men coming into why no eight had to be a certain percentage of women, kids that wouldn't fight back that could be you know, hazing and harassed and assaulted.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask Dred Scott, who does the chapters for this show, if you're using a modern podcast app, new podcast apps.com, that one of those pictures from the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture. It's really cool. You see them all sitting there in a circle, like a study group. And this just, you know, dress to the T's is perfect. Perfect. It was it was 69. I mean, 63 that made up the twice as many

females as males, right. So I'm wondering, did feminism have anything to do with that as well? Because you know, with hiring black women, you get a double minority? Yes. So it's like, when people like what you might be reaching there? No, these things are thought out. And the decades and centuries Yeah, fast forward. But let's continue on with the abuse this sister bills endured. When she attended school, I had written around Central High School since I was a baby says

little and don't don't say I can't do something. That's what I'm gonna do. Always wheelchair walker or not. If you defy me and you say, you can't do that. I was born that way. And so they said, you can't go to the school. The school was 718 storeys high. With all the equipment, it was eight square blocks in diameter. And I was going to this little teeny school where every September they bring over the three legged table, the greasy key, you know, broken typewriter, and I said

that Wait a minute. Hey, who puts him in charge? And Gregory would always say if he knew better, they do better. God loves us equally. So I said, look at your mom. I want him to come up and be in charge for six months. Let them do Jan to June and let me do July to December. If that's how it is if God really loves to see cool and she would say no, you know, this is God's time in his way and I just you know, so when they put up it's time to put your hand up to go to Central High School.

Despite any thoughts of tyranny or what's going to happen I put my hand up so now you see that I have special gifts and I'm gonna use that gift to prove to people that we are smart you know, but the short side of this of this is that if you prove a racist that you're better than him that doesn't that doesn't gain favor with him. That only you know now you're up to you know what, you know, and who do you think you are now with? Okay, you stepping

out your line? Boy? Again, you're saying that that's how they will put it? Which gal is a racist? Oh, well let people know that to you. That this microaggression that's the equivalent to boy for black women. Yes. I always like to throw a little things out there for people. So you can have context to that yeah, come up. My mom's did get triggered when we go to restaurant. You know, I have guys and gals on the on the On the bathroom doors, it was like, oh, okay, now I can't

write with that. But quick aside, I didn't realize that thanks for is that still considered racist today? I don't think is well known but and this is where generational things come in. And you know, that was the equivalent to that. So now it's amazing like the crowd was clapping and stuff. And you know, say like you they bring us out and now we're going to hear I want you to listen to what Megyn Kelly thought she experienced versus what she actually experienced.

I put my hand up I didn't really anticipate so don't let me let you believe that I have some great heroin. That's it. Okay, I'll go there get killed rot. No, no, no, no, I thought, well, you know, they'll be mean, they'll call me names because they do that in any new school. They won't like my blouse. They won't like my hair. Did you expect I mean, no, no, no, no, no threat. Life there were there were ropes, people were holding

weapons. No, no, calling you the N word. It was beyond bleeding through my living room window. people throwing acid in my eyes, people throwing lip paper over the bathroom stall. After about a day and a half there I thought, Aha integration is a much, much bigger word than I thought. Because I didn't understand what people were willing to do to avoid sitting by me. And I like me. I couldn't figure that out. All my life. God had said, You know what? I mean, my grandmother's it God's God has a

picture of you on his refrigerator. He really likes you. You're pretty he really likes you. So why would you do that to keep from sitting beside me. But when they put you in the school, they separated the nine of you and said you want integration? You got it? So you heard what Megan said, he had ropes and throwing the word around. And no, that's Megan's imagination. She's thinking something else, man. She's thinking what day or whatever. I don't know

what not. That's what you saw from the images. It was much worse. Right? Nobody. Everybody was dead when school first started when the cameras left. And his kid was still going to school. As you heard her say to ask her in her eyes. Try to set her on fire in a bathroom stall. Shoot was the wrong home. Why would you sign your children up for this? And I want to make one last point before we move on to the next. The next phase of the show. Is that in this situation? You heard her referred to her

grandmother and her mother. There was no man in the house in this situation. Because no way in hell what? My daughter's Yeah. Cuz you got to make me kill somebody. He will say in the name of progress. If you do that to my child, you're saying like I'm going to be killed. So that's why a father would have put the kibosh on like Nah, we ain't going for that. Because I know how it ends, right? But you have the you know, Wilmslow

cool, a, you know, right, to say they're just different. You know, when you go to a different school, you get nervous and they be mean to new kids. No, this is institutional ingrained racism, that's unbalanced household that, that where that can happen. Yeah, I like to say that how that conversation they want to

do it and then pick somebody else kid. You go you go back to the high school you went to because you got to put me in a very, you know, when you were situation when you were singled out, you were treasurer, good for the Freedom Riders. Was your dad there or he was already working somewhere else not in the house at the time? No, my dad was there. And but this is where this is where you will always get vetted when you came back for somewhere. Like so. So

how, what happened? Cuz it was you see something, say something in the house? Like if you see some craziness going on, are you gonna be better tell us? Are you Oh, you will be just in much trouble or more trouble. If you're saying if you didn't tell. So but this this thing happens. And I don't think people know how widespread this was Ms. In that was math, science and engineering network. This is how you got the smarter kids and you go to school on Saturday and they bring you to

college campuses. And this kind of thing. This was the vetting system to figure out who to Boulay was the next Boulais you know, and once you got that it's like okay, then you go out to college and then the fraternities would come in, you know, it pick you how do you know, the test mode? What happened? How did you fail? I'm gonna tell you like, when I went into the, when I literally I failed the test. So I did this several times. One was like I

said, fourth grade Miss Fushi class. They came in and said, We want you to go over to the special kid room not that special but the like the app to get ag academically gifted class and they brought meaning there. And it was a weird vibe in the rooms and they had like lamps instead of like the harsh. They had like the Beethoven going on there saying softly. And the kids got to lay on like chairs and like sofas. That was weird. It was like a real nice environment. But it was strange

because like, it wasn't a typical classroom. And I flunked the test on purpose. Because I didn't want to be separated from my regular class. And then going from fourth to seventh grade. When they were like, Nick, did the Freedom Rider thing. I'm like, like, you know, this is the time my dad gave me Malcolm X the autobiography. I'm like, Yeah, we go, and then he would bring me here show me how to put condoms on bananas and stuff. Like, what kind of freedom right?

Well, we know what they're doing programming, use some smart skills to not recreate exactly is that and I divide? And you might think I'm capping or putting on No, it was the vibe with me. It's like, I don't want to be here every day in this class, or I don't want to be around these people with the next kind of this was 1988. No, this was 19. Okay, for gray will probably be at a no, for gray will be at 990. And then and then go for, you know, saying three years. 93.

Yeah, this is not this is not ancient history as much as my point? Of course not. And they've come from my kids. They've come from home. Oh, we want to put nah, nah, wow. Now, you're not gonna segregate them all, you know, because I know how to end it, you know. So moving forward, the point I want to make is when you do that, it

creates a brain drain, nobody really talks about it. On a domestic scale, you hear about internationally, all we're sucking all the intelligence out of India and all these other places. But nobody ever talks about it, the brain drain in the black community, there is a thing a drain I challenge. Those who are able to escape the ghetto, get a good education, and immediately go to work for boring. Deal, whoever that dreams, talent, brain power

from my from that same market. So if you look at it as a market, we've got a lot of challenges. And so therefore, the Small Business got a lot of challenges, because you deal with people that don't have the money and won't conserve the money. So, you know, the black consumer therefore gets less for their money, because they should have doubled duty dollars as the other communities that is not only get the shoes that you

need, but you also bolster your community. We get issues, but not the community. And that was Raymond V. Haysbert, he was he worked with, he actually fought with the Tuskegee Airmen, and World War Two, and he went on to be the CEO of Parc sausage company, and one of the black first black CEOs. Well, one of the largest black owned businesses in America. And he was aware of this, you know, until he parted his passing in 2010. That, um,

this is a serious brain drain. And on top of that, what happens is, and we're going to, we're just gonna be a whole show. So I'm just going to touch on this right quick. Now, we talked start talking about reproductive behaviors, so we can't get you not to reproduce, then you start reproducing interracially because if you're taking to predominantly white institutions, your eyes are meeting somebody else who's

going to be harder, they're gonna be of another race. So this is you see it, you know, it will fix the problem that way. Right, brown Jackson, you saw that with her where she met her husband and she met him and I believe school, and God and Kamala Harris and all these other I mean, this is and it's very Sose sick in a way that they think they can create an

acceptable form of black. You know, and this is what really irks me what always what always gets me though, is when we talk about these things, and I completely agree with the statement you're making, but when you say they want, it's, it's hard. It's a hard concept for people to grasp that. You're telling me that people actually think this way consciously, and I don't think it's that

necessarily. I mean, obviously the people who are who are running and and you're putting the trauma in place and making and using this for psychological operations. But it's so hard to imagine that people would do that consciously. And this is why I love doing this show, because it's hard for me not to think they would do this. Yeah, I have a, I have a diametrically opposed, sure, of course,

view of it that, you know, this is intentional. Now, what their reasoning is, I humanize it is fight or flight is that it's either us or them. And the fat like said the fact that they do it. And we've seen it and they continue to do it. It's been pointed out and they can tell you to do it. We saw that what happened with all we understand Tuskegee, and everything like

that, but then they come back with the vaccine. He was saying, so it's like, how can we understand you got trauma, but take it anyway. Right there in the in the way they come at us dancing and rap songs. Yeah, I'm saying like, Yeah, dude, not a serious conversation. It's like, oh, yeah, you're seeing a spike protein is like poking, you know, saying with the game, you know, we come through and display everything up. That's what the swipe protein is, like, why are you talking to me like

that? And why are you using Tyler Perry to do it? You see what saying that? I cannot? And I wish I could. I know you're kind of like, give you a sample. I know you as a friend. To understand how you feel. Completely. And I and I, you know, especially we're back in the show, we're doing this my head like, oh, okay, yes, of course, I get what you're saying. And that's what seductive about it that you can get. Not you but people can

say you sure they this is intentional. I mean, like, when I say to you like all the things, it's kind of like when you first seem like this is a big play. You know, I'll everything like the New World Order wherever else, you kind of want to unsee it. It's like, it's okay, this became a lot easier for me in this year, and we've talked about this. The reason I started to look into the biggest conspiracy theory of all Jesus is he was he really Is

he real? Right? Is because of the obvious evil that's in the world. And if there's evil in the world, there's got to be a counterbalance. So you it's for me, it's like I can't believe in the good of God without knowing that there's that there's the other side. And that's, that's what's operating. And just to lend to you Malines imagine how every other religion, you can't talk about. You can't talk about Judaism,

you can't talk about Islam. But Christians, you can renew up and down, like a dome that you can say whatever you want, you can make mockery, all these other things. If you say that about Muhammad, or you're saying or Judaism, you get cancelled. So when you start to see that, it's like, there's a conspiracy. Yeah. So I just say that moving on, Malcolm X, this is him. And

he talks about whether we need to have integrated schools or not. And if they're beneficial, as your organization encourage members to attempt to enter schools that have been known as all white, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad doesn't discourage us from attaining white schools. But he does say that it is better for

us to go to our own schools. And after we have a thorough knowledge of ourselves, if our own kind, and racial dignity has been instilled within us, then we can go to any one school and we will still retain our race, pride, our racial dignity, and we will be able to avoid this subservient inferiority complex that most Negroes have, or that is instilled within most Negroes who received this sort of integrated education. You have the subservient inferiority complex.

So that that's what's missing, is that racial pride? And that racial underpinnings? I mean, we're having kids now. The mother takes them back to daycare at six weeks. They're raising the daycare housing warehousing institution, he will say up until public school, then they go to public schools. No sense of community, you know, I mean, just the average, they say the average without making this about single mothers or what a single parent, the parents all working, the child is raised by,

you know, the daycare. There's no sense of community, you pick them up at five o'clock, you bring them home, you feed them, you play with them a little bit. I mean, there's no sense of community. The thing was like, I'm like one of the last generations that had that sense of community, even though it wasn't like you were saying it was it was isn't perfect, but I know who I am. So when I went to school, I wasn't looking to be taught who I was. It was I was looking to be taught who I could

become. He was saying like it, but now it's like, go back to CRT for me. You're a victim. That's the oppressor. You're saying, and this is your a lot in life. Imagine being raised like that. Nobody's countering that. So except us here on the show. Hello. We're giving it a good go. Where you want to remind the people what we actually do? Yes.

And it was interesting. The pastor at the church here, said, Hey, you know, you talk about these? What is this? What's this mo guy. So you should listen to the show. And, and I ran through it, I said, you know, what we're doing here is exactly what Malcolm X said, first, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his mind

without hurting the feelings of that negro. And the so called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man, then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way we'll ever do it. And that's exactly what I said. I said, you know, listen to this. And all of a sudden, it became clear. Ah, that makes a

lot of sense. So yeah, we just got to that level right away. No problem whatsoever. And I've learned more because of our open and honest conversation than I ever thought possible. I thought I knew. And you've given me a lens into a world I didn't know. No. I mean, like we say out Ahmet Deion Sanders, I know this person or it was like, okay, that's how they operate.

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Alright, so with schools being integrated, sports had to be integrated as well. And I think that's why we heard Jerry Jones say he got in trouble with his coaches. They stand to benefit from the increased or increased pool of talent that was right in their art yourself. So I'm sure they had no issue, you know, other than, you know, the typical racer things, but they stood to get a lot of talent to come to that school. Now we got to fast for this is the football game that broke racial barriers.

And it was against Alabama, which was a predominantly white institution that hadn't integrated yet against USC University and University of Southern California who had emigrated well before Alabama had. And this is another setup. As you will hear when we go through these next five clips of these things are not happenstance. They're oftentimes orchestrated. And let's go ahead and get into clip number 23.

In 1954, Brown versus Board of Education overturned the separate but equal policy in school rules and the 1964 Civil Rights Act ended public racial discrimination. But although the federal government mandated integration, attitudes hadn't changed, and in the south Jim Crow continued to haunt college football, as late as 1969, the southern most teams in the SEC, were still completely white.

A lot of great players from the South were either they either had to play at the historically black institutions, or if they wanted to play in the major universities, they had to go out west go up north. So a lot of talent was leaving the Southeastern Conference. The South was starting to see some of their programs go down a little bit, but the University of Alabama maintain their dominance. They won three national championships in

1961 64 and 65, and should have won in 66. So what this did was it created in the minds of Alabama football fans and fans in the SEC, the idea that you didn't need to desegregate. Yeah. Okay. This is great history. Yeah, it seems all connected. You know, starting with brown, you see the ripple effects of that one piece of legislation and court action to affect all walks of life. So, the funny thing is, is that the SEC, the southern eff was southern. Ah,

I'm gonna lose my sports card. South ASun Conference, I would think it was what stands for they're right in the south, where Texas that can include that Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida. That's football talent, you know, ground zero, right? And these teams are like, No, Alabama was like, We don't care. We read the wind with white talent to integrate and that that goes to show you that they read the put winning over breaking their tradition for

whatever reason, this is a breaking their traditions. And that's where they kept it and we see this even with sports today, there are quote unquote, white teams. Even to this day, the Utah Jazz for instance, you know, they like having a predominantly white star. Um, Dallas Mavericks is another one. Mark Cuban loves having a white star. You know, that's kind of like dirt Nowitzki. And now, Luca dachas Yeah, I mean really think he loves having a white star is that he

that that he loves that? Boy Does he think he just loves having a star. Trust me in sports. Because it's this it's this phenomenon called the Great White hype. I don't know if you heard it, you start hearing in boxing or whatever. Yeah. Right. You're saying like, is he not that he personally feels that way. But he understands his demographic. And he's fans. And if you can have a star I mean, you have to be first crop qualification is a

star. It was that you had to be great at what you're doing. But then we have Boston Larry Bird the same thing that Larry Bird and you're saying in Boston hit a little different you were saying with the Combine that with the city, the city's attitude, and it being a white athlete, right. So that's why I'm saying Utah you're saying you have John Stockton is noticeable even for me I look at who is using this team? Oh, that's

Utah. Okay. For whatever reason, like I said, this is you see this happens so interesting, called the jazz, you know, is where I would say that few jazz greats were white. That's kind of interesting. Know where they tripped. They got they, they moved from New Orleans. Oh, there you go. But still, they used to be the New Orleans jazz, but they kept the jazz out that that will baffle me of the key like, why do you Utah Jazz, like the

names? They left the jazz out? Because usually the city mascot is something, you know, lends to what the state is known for, you know, a few jazz greats come from Utah, which. So moving forward, you see what's playing out here is that the predominantly the schools it remained to refuse to integrate, are starting to drop in status. But they needed a little help. We were saying to push them down as well as you go here. And I think He clipped 24 I believe.

Not only was Alabama enjoying success with all white football

teams, but the state was governed by a man who deliberately played the race card to win his election. And who kept a close public relationship with Coach Paul Brian. Fairly that was George Wallace this way of advertising. See what an all white football team can do. What we didn't know was the relationship between bear Brian and George Wallace was very uneasy, that in fact, Brian had been needling and pushing and and probing tried to integrate the Alabama football team for many years.

We were conspiring as much as we could without rattling the governor's situation. In other games video speaks well of Coach Bryant, we're state institution and the governor is not ready for integration yet. A lot of our funds come from the state of Alabama from the Capitol in we would like to be successful, but we're going to hurt the general public. The students and faculty. We weren't conspiring. Yes, I heard it. And you know who George Wallace says, I don't know if you know better Brian is

or not Wallace. Yes, Brian. No. You've seen him before. You seen his image and likeness in a movie Forrest Gump. Remember the football coach of Alabama? Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure. That was the that was him. That was he's known for that hounds. Tooth hat. Okay, I gotcha. I gotcha. And in here, I think they're doing a little bit of cleaning up his image with this piece as well because he's very valuable to

the Allah University of Alabama's legacy. So you see that you have to clean up like kind of rewrite history is starting right not saying he wasn't pushing for talent, but they make you're saying like that, you know, this benevolent person that has this insight to say, You know what, we need to integrate schools. Yeah, yeah. Maybe you hear if you listen to the nuance and how they're saying, oh, you know, we were conspiring and him it was really getting on the same page

together. No, no big deal. Just little conspiracy. No, he they said I didn't say it. All with the conspiracy. Despite championships in the early 60s, the racial factor was beginning to hurt Alabama stature. Bryan's team finished the 1966 season unbeaten and untied yet placed third in the polls. The nation was simply not going to reward an all white team and had become the flagship for segregation. By the late

1960s, the Crimson Tide was turning. And after a subpar 69 season, they were no longer reminiscent of a championship team is 69 there were people calling for his resignation, he said game had passed and by it was time for Coach Bryant to go. But we knew we had to get bigger, stronger, faster players. And a large majority of the bigger, stronger, faster player for Black. We did have a African American on the team. But he was a freshman and

didn't dress, Wilbur Jackson, I think it was coming. And Coach Bryant was you know, allowing it to happen slowly, it was finally time for Bryan to make his move to convince people that in order to start winning, again, Alabama was going to have to fully commit to integration. But to do so he needed to set an example. So once again, you hear this, they need it bigger, stronger, faster players and, and a large number of those were black

players. And another thing I want to point to was go back because I want to Chris, you don't know sports, college football, at least in this error. And my up until maybe I think like maybe 1015 years ago, the AP voted on Associated Press voted on who was the number one team, you have a bunch of sports writers and they vote whoever got the most votes was the champion. James how he could go undefeated. I'm tired become number three, because you heard him say America couldn't stand

for, you know, him winning, being segregated. So they had to lean when you talk about, hey, this is the day the media was leaning on Alabama because once you start winning national championships, the top players don't want to come to your school anymore. I feel like well, you know, they're not that the players want to go play at the best school. And that started to make the deterioration of the of the school and that's why he felt hard pressed to take action in

the way he did. Got it. So I'm just showing you how to meet not in the media that was the media interfering to push their their narrative but of course, so I think we start at 25 Let's go ahead and go to 26.

The number one team in the 60s USC had a fully integrated roster, including a black quarterback and a black assistant coach one day prior to the 1970 season. Head Coach John McKay asked his assistant Craig Furtick for a lift to LAX airport. For an unexpected meeting, in walks coach Brian with a houndstooth hat on the back here. And he walked in and they Hi, Paul. Hi, John. Paul, what's this about? John, how y'all like, come down to Birmingham

play us and the opener. Go says, What are you gonna pay me? He says $150,000 goes smoke his cigar. And he says, Tell you what, Paul will come down and play you in the old interview, come out the following year and play us in LA. And I'll give you 250. And I'm sitting there and they said, bring us another round here. And I set him on history. And I didn't realize that at the time.

There's a conspiracy, right? Come down and beat the crap out of us right at our home stadium in front of all the races, white

folks. And they'll get the picture that we need black players not taking into fat what no black players are gonna go black players we're gonna go through while they're there, none of that. We it's for my benefit, and then continue with my legacy in my career. And Amy's done over drinks. And this was what year 1971 I want to say, Wow, I believe I believe was 71. So I'm just like, 71, not years before I was born. I hope a lot of sports fans out there paying attention to this.

This is why this is why sports is one of the most fascinating draws for entertainment, because it's actually gone field court wherever else and made a best man win. Right? That's why sports is what I call a level playing field is legitly a level playing field? Because sports has a rulebook. And society has a rulebook. If you want to play it, right, it's called the Constitution in America, you are saying is blessed play by the rulebook? That's all we're saying separate but equal. Let's

play by the rulebook. We have this you have 11 players we have 11 players, you get to wear a helmet we get to wear a helmet you know it's best and we'll see how it plays out. But as you see is conspiracies that go on mannequins. This is an ending footwear that for a greater good who knows. But nobody is benevolent in this. Oh, you know, Bear Bryant woke up one more. You know what? I have a moral obligation and let black players play for me. No, it was for his his wish in. Nothing

wrong with that being self serving. I have no issue with that is the fact don't sell it like something else. That's the issue I have with, you know, with anybody. Right? But it's not like that as changed in 2020 to 2023. It's just you know, maybe, well, here we go. We're talking about sports right now. With with the current story. And this is why Jerry Jones was such in such a predicament because he has to sign top level black talent to come play for

Dallas, his quarterback is black. You see I'm saying that the CEO of his team, being the quarterback that's the CEO of it is a black man. He was saying he I think he's biracial. But still yet still he he's black. The top play offense, everybody's saying like 8070 85% and teams, but if you If this carries out the wrong way, he could have mutiny right on his team. And this was

the goal. I believe in my view of when that attack was said on here is like let's shake up the you know, the Dallas Cowboys nails, and maybe even the whole NFL. Well, I you know, again, you know, I'm not a sports guy, but maybe I'm gonna start paying more attention, not to the game. Oh, watch for all the other stuff. This is why they can talk about it for the six days. They're not playing. Talking about it's a whole channel called ESPN, they

got to fill it up. It's four or five ESPN? What are they talking about? All of these sub narratives, everything I mean, it's politics and, and race and gender and all other things. And you see is nothing new. That's why I like something that's cabinet was something new understand? No, these things have been going all the way go back to Jack Johnson, USA, like, you know, unboxing the years in the early 1900s There sure sure there was legislation you're saying creating demand at you

know, to entrap him in certain ways. I'm just saying this is bigger sports, but sports is a huge thing in America. It's a huge, very huge thing. So let's if you add something to it, if not, we can go and continue on what on a part because yeah, what I was gonna say is I have to think and I'd love to hear from

some of our producers. If this is also the case with with soccer as an example, if you look at the French Team let me know if you if you had one second to look at any any saw World Cup soccer French team all black guys all black now they're African, right from origin of course, which is all French. But there's I wonder I wonder how that plays into into sports in general. That's not it, I don't know,

it plays a huge part it plays a huge part. And that's just think if you didn't take some of the top NFL and NBA black players and start teaching a soccer age for nobody would beat American soccer. I mean, this just that. There's other sports to play here, especially for that segment of society, you're

saying that has these superior athletic talents. So it's like once you start getting that factored in, and if soccer is super expensive to you know, America will be dominant in in soccer the same way Europeans, Europeans got on a quick, you know, they said that they don't stick to their national players. They go they go outside, you know, racially national limits that morning, but they don't care. They go wherever the talent is, which that's how it should be.

I'm not so sure. That's why I'm What do you mean, I'm not so sure that they only do where the talent is? I'm not sure. Sure. I'd want to see if there's any racial element to some other sports like that the outside of the US, the US I get it. Right. I'm just curious. Um, this seems there's a lot more to sports than I ever considered, certainly in the United States. And if you got to put together a long distance team, you gotta go get the kings. If you're gonna show us that, like 123450 I

think it's kidding. Just kidding. Racing TV, right? Read it to you. Right, right. It's like they're done given Highfather that everybody else is running. You're saying like, so I'm just saying is, with genetics, you have certain genes, you're saying that, that bring themselves out, you know, to show superior talent and started things. Yeah, so let's go and wrap up with the last last clip and he said

on September 12 1970, USC met Alabama on legions field for what would become the first integrated college football game play in Alabama. I wasn't in a game already. Oh, and we all know some kale had a bit of a field day and that gave Sam cutting them just ran up and down the field. We played eight linebackers trying to find one to come back from and we know found when they can tackle. Cunningham ran for 135 yards and score two touchdowns on only 12

carries. The final score was 42 to 21 Crimson Tide and lost the football game, but was starting to win the war on segregation. Bryant reacted to this game by shaking John McCain's hand at halftime and thanking him for bringing his team all the way out to Birmingham to help his program, quote, help our program and quote that sort of signal the beginning for for recruitment of

African American players in the Southeastern Conference. And I know a lot has been written a lot of speculation, but I don't have any question in my mind that it was all planned by coach Brian. He's got a spot in Alabama like Martin Luther King doesn't worry. He left, he left a legacy for now will be matched. So now we got to get to the 5000 pound gorilla in the room, or

elephant. All right. Genetics and sports. Why is it that 85% In the NBA is is black American? You know, why is it in NFL? It's such high percentage. You know, saying well, I'm from a certain location in America. My answer would be similar to Why are some of the best soccer players from poor South American countries is because that's when the minute they're born that's the only thing they can really excel at. And, and that's what they're doing all day long. They

live, eat, breathe soccer, and that creates great players. I

would say there's some of that with with American sports. It's just it's your I think it's social circumstances and what you focus on to get out pa 30 More and more often than not probably poverty, that I agree with you that is nature means nurture, nurture verse, but then when nature also plays a role in it, because this is what nobody wants to talk about in sports, and this is why Colin Kaepernick he played with this trope and meme, NFL being a

plantation and that kind of thing. But they measured these guys from pinky to thumb, how big is your hand? How high? Can you jump? How it was like every metric, they know. Sure. And, and in the end, and the genesis of that is the slave trade. Nobody wants to talk about this. And this will get you cancelled, this will get your council back in Amy's if you brought this up, because of how black people were bred, like animals in this country. So nobody wants to talk about now. Hold

on, hold on a second. So okay, fair, you're saying that this is genetics that has that was initially engineered by during the slave trade. And once that's engineered, it stays, and it continues to the bloodline.

It's in the gene pool. And the thing about it's like this, we got to think about gene, and it took me a long time and how to think of analogy, how to illustrate because, of course, people are going to get into their emotions, of what are you saying, oh, all black people are genetically No, no, no, it's not gonna say genetic pool is like a lottery. Like you're saying, like, think about the lottery balls, right? Yeah. You're when you you only have six or seven numbers that come out, but it's

like 60 numbers in there. You see, I'm saying you might get some good set of balls. And it will say because just out of draw it a lot, and it's what they call people say, Oh, you want a genetic lottery here. People say this all the time, or you want a genetic lottery shirt being tall or you know, saying or handsome or whatever. Attractive, whatever else. The thing was, was the creation of American slave was based that the, the lottery balls. And that's why it comes out more often. Okay.

All right. All right. So if I were to say, wow, you know, these guys, I mean, just look at him. This is, this is from genetics. He got it from the from his gene pool. And boy, are we lucky to have him on the team. Who would agree with me, if I said, you will get canceled, you will get cancelled immediately what I'm thinking, but I'm gonna show you the difference because like in football, you have these football families, you'll see a lot especially in linemen kilometer big guys. And you

know, all you're saying is dad play and his uncle. Like the auto family. There's no out of name saying that this might not be a route, you know, the auto shows and it comes from a long line of football family. No problem. But is very careful when you get to the black side. And hey, you ever heard of Jimmy

to Greek? Let's progress the show? Have I heard of Jimmy the Greek? I was doing radio in New York City when this happened in 80s 8980. Right time Yeah. Oh, I remember. Even back then he got canceled for what he said. I want to show you the news report. Remember this? I was in New York City. I remember this. This was huge news. This is why I love doing the show because I get the inside scoop on what but listen to how the news frames why he got in

trouble and possibly fired. And then we're gonna go back and listen to what he actually said. Reporter from WRC TV, was asking questions about Martin Luther King's birthday, and the progress blacks have made in society. There. CBS Sports commentator Jimmy the Greek Snyder gave his impressions of blacks and coaching in the National Football League. His answers could raise as much controversy as the statements by former Dodgers executive our campaign this last April on ABC Nightline news program.

Yeah, pretty sure they're gonna have to equalize it for the blacks. For the Greeks, the Jews and for everybody, I mean, let's make it equal for everybody. And isn't equal to the sports. Well, they've got everything if they take over coaching like everybody wants him to, there's not going to be anything left for the white people. I mean, all the players are black. I mean, the only thing that the whites control is the coaching jobs. Now I'm not being derogatory about it, but that's

all that's left for. So black talent is beautiful. It's great. It's out there. The only thing left for the whites is a couple of coaching jobs, and we need to get more black conscious. All right with me. Okay, well, I'm sure that they'll take over that pretty soon, too. WRC was apparently flooded with complaint calls after the Snyder comments were aired, Schneider issued an apology saying he was

truly sorry for anything he said. ABC. CBS spokesperson said no decision has been made as to whether Snyder will work Sundays NFL today broadcast Snyder's spending the night with Gene Upshaw, the players union executive director in Washington, and he has received support calls from Walter Payton and Ahmad Rashad. Oh man yes it's a mod were shot and he got some shit for that too. Of course he did because disliked when Jerry Jones came out and only Steven a smooth came out caper for Jerry Jones.

You always have people you can call a Steven hey, I need a solid you say a mod I need a solid go What I remember now I'm just trying to think to this time because this although this was this I think was the actual problem that he said well you know what's gonna be left for the Jews and the white guys you know, we got into and the Italians and what are we going to have life? We're not going to be in the sport. But he got canceled, I guess or fired or whatever, for a different comment.

I'm glad I'm glad we land this outline. This is what podcast gold is all about. What do you remember him being counseled for, for saying that? Well, obviously the black athletes are superior because of their breeding as slaves and they were bred to be powerful machines. I'm paraphrasing it's a long time ago. It's pretty close. But notice the news clip left that part out a vintage news clip edited out on YouTube and missed a lot there. Right so now I had to go to stoner man is the YouTube

channel and forgive the music. But he's gonna get into Jimmy

the Greek being cancelled. Part One and Part Two. This is the first part it's donor man presents Jimmy the Greek the first cancel broadcaster caution. comments may be triggering or hilarious depending on your perspective. The black is the better athlete and he's bred to be the better athlete because this goes back all the way to the Civil War.

When during the slave trading, the big the owner the slave owner would would would would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kids in Washington today. The local NBC television station interviewed people about the state of race relations on this Martin Luther King's birthday should be the drink. Snyder is in hot water tonight over some remarks he made today about flat athletes. Well, they've got everything. If they take over coaching like

everybody wants him to. There's not going to be anything left for the white people. The black is a better athlete to begin with. Because he's been bred to be that way. Because of his height guys. I don't want to live with the white guides. And the Fallout was very swift. Right? Yeah, that was there was a high thigh that was that was the kind of like the the mean, that was the thing that stuck the high thigh. And what do you mean, you're saying they're genetically different?

They were genetically reproduced. And this did this that make us misconception people have about slavery. Like that you had slaves and their little slave cabins with their little slave families. It's like, Alright, honey, I'm going out the slaves, you know, and they go walk out the house and I'll see me get home. No, it was scientific. And I got stopped using it work. It was husbandry, it was like, Oh, you gotta thoroughbred horse, bring them on over here. And I know this

because I own a thoroughbred American Bully. And his genetics can be translated. You're saying the right thing husband? It exists today. We don't think two seconds about the Hindus about Indians. They husbandry it's like that's what that's what a rant. Oh, that's the goal of arranged marriages. Yes, people together. That way they reproduce a better lineage, or a better project and the athlete is a word but on its head. Why is it taboo to marry your your cousin?

Because you get the opposite? So we're told correct, you get mongrel retarded offspring. But you don't want to have this conversation. I'm glad you made that point. Because what is it South known for West Virginia? Oh, you're married to your cousin you're married to that stereotype is okay. Yeah, exactly. Or the northern thought they were dealing with when they came down, sell all their cousin efforts or whatever saying like, where do we get these? Where would you get these stereotypes from?

Where do we get them from? Yeah, I mean, who prints West Virginians as people to sleep with their cousins. douchebags. And it's okay, it's the media. It's movies these days. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Don't marry a ginger. It's no good. Oh, that's the I mean, yeah, exactly. I mean, they get I mean, like, they're the white people that are black people, the white people, you know, I mean, like, I've never understood what I like how cruel gingers was treated mom. Like,

it's very bad. It's hard to blame for everything to like, Oh, you're saying My car got a flat tire? You're saying let's be a ginger. You know, that kind of thing? No serious. I didn't I didn't know. Like I said, that's, that was outside my purview. Without wondering you start hearing like the stereotype is like, wow, like, you know, wow, like, wow, that's a very good point. Oh, so? Well, first of all, I'm glad that we can just sit here and talk about because I remember.

Here's how I remember it going down because it was one I was doing the morning show. With I think Scott Shannon, Ross Britton, these were all huge. Z 100 more and all white guys. Except we had a we had to Professor Jonathan B. Bell who did sports black guy, of course. And but I remember that. I wish I remembered exactly, but it was kind of Oh, Jimmy, the Greek Whoa, whoa, whoa. Cabling or whatever. You know, they wouldn't actually say, but you could tell that I was like,

EMTs. Right. But we're not gonna say he's right. It's one of the things that we see monitoring that they talk about what he said without actually saying what he said, right? We started with the Bill Cosby thing. You know, they never use what he actually what his confession was. They just talked about his confession, right? Well, he confessed. Yeah. It's like what he said, Oh, we don't worry about he confessed. It's like, but what do you say? You know, like I said, this is

no cable for Bill Cosby, because he got his own issues. But what I'm just saying is, so they're coming to here comes the problem. Does the media do that? Because they don't want to be complicit in some suspected racism? Or do they do that, because they just want to keep it quiet, keep everything going the way it is. They don't want to on earth. Like, and this is why I pulled out in the Megyn Kelly thing. You had the narrative that she

had. And this is no shot in the making, of what Bill's misfields went through. But they you had well, actually what Miss bills went through, he was sure the audio of ropes in words, and no, they were shooting to me and trying to light me on fire and throwing acid on me. And the same thing here. It's like the idea of slavery, versus what was really going on in slavery. And the converse is true in recent history with juicy small

a, there was Maga country put a noose around you. And of course, that was all just trauma reporting for a fact. Right? Or the one we we always like talk about as good people on both sides. That kind of thing is like, we're going to take this and shape it. But not to belabor a point, but I'm just showing you, nobody really wants to have that conversation of what, what x went into slavery. And that was more moderate slavery, because when they had a steady flow, you'll say are

slaves coming into the country, it wasn't beneficial. But the late stages of slavery was a lot of slave farms, they will farming human beings. Now with that, if I've never seen a business person want to make a inferior product, you're saying just to be cold and callous about it for a minute, you know, you take your best and breed to your best and make better. So this I think this is why we have the the you know, the huge

quantity of these genes being manifest. Now, you're saying like, okay, it's heavy in their gene pool, they had the things that were desired. It was a it was a feature, you know, we need to we need, we need him to lift and carry and picking haul. And so we need to look for this type of this this phenom phenotype. And we need to let that phenotype spread. See to all the women. Sure this is American history, like people can get frustrated or wherever but this is what that's not talking about it.

No, it's so crazy because we've gone so far to the to the other side that now we are at because you said business people that triggered me. Business people businesses are making very bad business decisions based upon cause I have people who sit in boardrooms, I have people who sit in the largest medical organizations. And it'd be like, Okay, we need a company who wouldn't outsource this particular thing to? Here's our choices. That one Yeah, they really are pretty white heavy.

So they're not they just can't they we can't choose them. So the opposite is now happening where the DIS systems are being made that are counterintuitive to the success of the business based on race it with theme that way, but whatever their real goal here is right. It's like that. What is their real goal? I mean, it seems no, no, no. What's happening today in boardrooms, the real goal is

to comply with ESG. That's the goal. Right? It's not no absolute, but you either do it this way, or you're guaranteed to not make money. So you can do a little worse, or maybe sick. 40% Worse, but that's better than 90% worse. That's that's the trauma that's happening now in the boardrooms, because the steady drumbeat is to depopulation. That's the steady, that's the steady course. They've always wanted to kill us more. We know that not just you, everybody.

Right? It will always say they start with not in, they start with us. That that's the thing. It's like, ringing the bell like, hey, yeah, I know how this go. And this is, this is why people at all, that's why we went back to what you were saying before, like, you see it one way, it's like, I can't see any other way. I mean, because it's my paradigm you know, now does I'll do I let that make me be ineffective? Do I let that make me be in a state of being traumatized? And no, no, it's

just these are this is reality. You know, just like how they delete it from what he actually said, because they don't want to talk about what went on in this country just like they tried to shut up about our holocaust. He's like, this is our holocaust. Like, shut up. Yay. You say you can't say that. Why can I say that? Everybody else is talking about their suffering. Because you can't shut up.

Well, you can Yeah, you can say it just the mainstream says no, we're not gonna we're not gonna broadcast that. It I mean, they debate demand. I mean, gone before he went on saying info walked out prior to that when he was like, you know, Planned Parenthood is our holocaust. You can't say that. No, you how can you how can you not tell what my suffer? I

cannot tell my story. You know, because they don't want down Well, I mean, okay, so the bottom line is, yes, you can say it, but you can say it only in certain places like on a podcast, right. That's why it is so powerful. Yes. But that's why podcasting is more exciting, more interesting than mainstream. Because truth comes out. I would have been stopped. The phone, Boulay phone would have been ringing. You bet. You from both sides, like what the hell

is going on over there? You say like, shut it down, or pull the power to kick us off the grid? Because they don't want us to talk about this. But you only can get to a note the real fear is they think the counter to white supremacy is black supremacy. Oh, it's really when the counter is just this it wasn't we don't want to be polar go to the other pole. No, with it is just like call it fair. And it's why sports is so important. Because that's the one place on the field. You can

call it fair. Allegedly. Yeah, if you got to there's a lot of things you take into consideration refs people throwing games, etc. But yeah, in general, on the field is where the truth comes out. Cuz we can see it everybody can see like, Oh, that's a bad call. Right? Like, hey, you're saying that he was out or he was in like, it's very clear. You're saying here the line was the outdoorsy is the definitive answer to it, where everything else is, is objective right? Now, so subjective. You're

saying sports is objective. So let's go ahead and get listen to Jimmy the Greek being counseled in the 80s. For his letting out of the truth in the Fallout was very swift. I don't think the network was was any choice. I don't I don't think the network's fired him. I think he fired so I was trying. I was telling them how superior the black athlete is over the white one, just for the reasons that said he is the Black tries harder. He has made a big mistake. But then all of us do. And we have

to at some point time and people show a contrite heart. To forgive to redeem and to move on CBS on Friday afternoon here in Washington, our former colleague Jimmy the Greg made some regrettable and offensive remarks for which he has apologized. Yesterday CBS issued a statement disassociated itself from those remarks. It goes without saying that his comments do not reflect in any way the thinking or attitudes of the rest of us here at CBS Sports.

While we deplore the incident this weekend. We are saddened that I 12 Your association with me had to end this way. It's such a great SIOP. You know, it's like everyone sees it, everyone sees the balance. Everyone sees who performs better. But not it's not, of course, our opinion, hertz should be ash. Because she can't say the quiet part out loud. Never. That's what he said, That's where he stepped on, he stepped on the

third rail and NAS, what you just can't say that. And there's one more part to husbandry before we move on, that people don't want to factor in. But like I look at things through Santo, illogical lens. And the fact that you had this plan, he was saying planned reproduction going on for a better product. And then you had white genetics coming over into that as well through rape or interracial relations, or however you want to look at it. There's a thing called hybrid vigor, which I'm

gonna do a whole show on this, what's it called? hybrid vigor. So what happens is, when you take a white person and a black person in may have a baby, the offspring can have super genetics, because it's a new thing. If you so when you create cross two things, in the will to survive, it has a higher chance of having an in enhance genetics, which I think a lot of the Coverity plan is about, it's like let's make use and mix them up. This is why you're seeing this commercial mixed them up,

we're going to the super race, super race, super race. And that's what they when you had this white genetic come over to this already planned, you know, plan genetics for black people that add it to it even more. Now, obviously, this is all science. This is why Meghan Maher who quote unquote, is so beautiful, or whatever you're saying is hybrid vigor. As Rebecca said, and we got to be clear, is it looks over representative because you say 85% mean, we're saying, Oh, the

NFL is black, blah, blah, blah. But I mean, what is it like 65 players on a team 32 teams, you're saying do that math,

that's not a lot of people. And they're looking for these kids at every corner, every Pop Warner field, ever. I mean, they're scouring the earth for the next LeBron James Sure. For the net. This is, so it's like, okay, when you find one, they're an anomaly within their race. You're saying within their race itself? You know, I mean, it's not like as 1000 LeBron James out here to tell you how small the number is. 1000 Michael

Jordan's there's only one. But if the likelihood of that being manifested through reproduction is higher, because of what the shenanigans that went on during slavery? Or still go on for all we know, of course, because guess what? You took me here, so they applaud yourself. What do you think Planned Parenthood is a woman's not gonna keep a baby have a buster are lame. And you're saying like, they're gonna keep the tall attractive guys baby. is still going? Yeah, it's still going on? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it is. As far less fucked up. No, it goes across. I mean, that's just that got to go to show it goes across all all colors there. Because you know, saying, Oh, he's a loser. Or he's, oh, that was accident. Is that not the natural order of the human spirit is to seek the appropriate mate, seek it based upon? I mean, women traditionally make themselves look more attractive men. And

this changes throughout time. You know, it's, if you want to John Henry, like the massive kind of guy who's going to protect you. And then, you know, in a different era, oh, we want kind of the geeky guy, and then a new era. You want the guy with the dad bod? You know, all these different different things that are that morph and change maybe through popular culture, probably. Yeah, but even let's look at women. What are certainly what are black men highly attractive to sit girls?

Am I correct? Allegedly, allegedly, supposedly, I mean, black because that's the narrative. That's why they take a qMk and put her on a pedestal and say, Oh, this is beauty. Yeah. It was saying that this is the media playing with that narrative. You know, even though Kim K's appearance, it's not her genetic. This is the sick part. You want me it's like those are her genetics. Those are this this manufactured so in in a sick way. The media is doing husbandry. Yes. So they

are in fact a bunch of racist kids. Dix, scientific white supremacist they are because it's all about creating a better race, a smarter race, a more fit race.

And when you introduce just willy nilly sake, you gotta have, you're saying you gotta have a counter to that you say you can't have all these people having all these babies they're making, I'm thinking about Obama as like, well, he's not exactly the right race, but he's got ticks all the boxes, so we'll just call him black, you go, correct. That's a good way to look at it. Right. And I'm gonna say, I got a whole nother show. And we built some of that. But I had to explain that wire so taboo to

talk about it. You're saying, because this is some heavy stuff in there. And you're saying, when the fact that we do have you ever had a conversation in which such a light, you know, bounce to it, you know, is a great thing, because you can't get the truth. Like you said, All humor, all jokes have some truth in it, of course, and this is what we're dealing with right here. So moving forward, Farrakhan he was at Michigan State, I think back in the late 90s. And they gave the student

grabbed like a black student body or African Studies group that wanted to bring them there. And they said, No, you can't bring them here. You have to pay from pay them out of your own pocket, even though the university would pay for other question, we'll guess. So he addresses that and then comes up with a possible solution to the bet black athletes at Michigan State. Michigan State is a great university, one of the finest in

this nation. But each year, the black football players, the black basketball players, the black athletes contribute so much to the coffers of this university. One football game in one football game, black talent gives to this university millions yet a black person that means something to black students. Whether I mean anything to white folk at all is

irrelevant. But if I mean something to my own people, the least you could do out of respect for what black people give to this institution is to fact these two decent what they want this is a shame. Maybe we ought to tell all blacks do this. Get the hell out of white university. Oh, no, no, we can't have that. That's a bought multibillion dollar move potential move. That's a baller move to do that. Yeah, they they had it all laid out with collegiate sports. You

don't play the players? Right? You can work them for sunup to sundown. You know, we don't pay them. Most of them are not going to go on to the professional leagues, but then they can monetize what you're saying they're actually playing of games. One one being the SEC is one of the biggest benefactors of this system. The SEC SEC the south south eastern South Eastern to me. SEC is Securities Exchange Commission. I'm sorry, it could it couldn't be much money isn't making. But yeah, Alabama,

Arkansas Allbritton. All the Tennessee all these schools in the south are right ground since grant on ground zero for all this black genetics. This is put it like that which makes an error because that that's where the genetics were created. Exactly. And they're monetizing it and they're not paying anything for it. But enters go. Well, I was gonna say so in if you're really into football. Do you

look at where someone comes from? In that way? Like, we're looking at some new recruits and do the do the coaches only do when did the scouts have the only look at the performance? So they say well, you know, we got a good spot over here. We've had some good genetic luck over here is that play into it? Well, they look at this talent. But these there's these hubs of

talent. These schools that are not like for instance, oneness in North Charlotte, North Carolina call end Pinellas all the best players across Charlotte want to go to independence. So you get like it's a million plus people in Charlotte, you're seeing a large black population. So you only have to go to these hubs. But now with the advent of YouTube and everybody having a camera, you got film just telling

everybody what they know. Like I said, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana and go over to Texas, you're saying all these are hotbed with a call for blue chips. And even straight on five star four star three star athletes. Cool. And they start at 789 10 years old. This is why Nike had these camps. And they're recording their metrics all he runs a 420. He can jump this high. Oh, we got to keep an eye on this kid over here.

You're saying this is why at LeBron James, at an at an eighth ninth grade, Nike knew who LeBron was because they had the Nike camp. Right? They knew Oh, he's on the upper call. We got to put him on. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And they institute rules like the one and done they say, Oh, we lost Lebron James. He skipped over college. No, no more. We got to

go to school for one year. Right? Why cost? We said so. But why does a top programmer have to go to college for one year before they go to work at Facebook, IBM now most Google most of them didn't even go to college. But college football you you gotta go school two years lost college basketball, you got to go once, right? Well, they a they want they invest the initial money, be they're

probably getting money from Nike. See, they want to make sure they get the money back where they want to tie these athletes to these universities. Because whatever they invested in them, they're gonna get a look at Zion Williamson 100, you're saying he would have went straight to the NBA. But he said, No, you got to go to do

and this is the this is the conflict I have with it. Because on one hand, you're seeing these young man get the opportunity to go to these prestigious universities get education, just go if their athletics don't pan out for him, you're saying they could be something, you know, meaningful in life. But on the other hand, that legacy is still there. The way they met. That's what gave Kaepernick the opening say, oh, yeah, they're their modern day plantation owners. Imagery is there. Yeah. But

here's the problem. You have somebody like Deion Sanders, I'll tell you what, we got no problem. Here's the problem. Dr. Sanders came in. And he said, I'm gonna go to HBCU, Historically Black College or University, and I'm going to bring that top level talent over to the HBCU with me. Problem. So let's go ahead and get started. I don't know. I don't know why. But I remember for whatever reason, in New York, there was the D on why was that that just

popped in my head. There was something he would do and won't go D on. Do you remember this? Ah, okay, maybe maybe if we get some clips I'll remember. Okay, so now this is when the first started in got hired by

HBCU Jackson State University 31 Gotta go to the man who have done it all on the field and is now make it an historic move to the sidelines to take on a meaningful new challenge. NFL Hall of Famer Deion Sanders, has been named the head coach of Jackson State University tigers, and we're going to talk to him in live in just a moment all about how he plans to make an impact at this HBCU. But first, let's flip. Let's find out more about that big news from my

friend Deion Sanders this morning. A huge score for Jackson State University in Mississippi. Deion Sanders, the football hall of famer World Series competitor and two times Super Bowl champion, taking over the head coach at the historically black university. That is a pivotal turning point for JSU football and Jackson State University.

The announcement expected to bring renewed energy to the JSU athletic program, making the school a bigger draw for potential recruits, Sanders announcements coming on the heels of five star recruit mCore maker who stunned us sports world where he committed to Howard University, another HBCU saying that he hopes to make the HBCU movement real so that others will follow. I remember it's not that big a deal. It was because of course he was playing for the Yankees and the Mets were the fans or go

D like bad or bad about it. You know, that kind of thing. Okay. That's what that was about. Yeah. What you see now how he could become a disruptive figure in his being. Yeah, very. And I have to say it is Deion Sanders is by far one of the top athletes in American history. And we're not talking about it. Are we talking about money celebrity? I'm talking about Michael Jordan. Oh, yeah.

Because he had the personality, you know, saying like, he, he's one of those people that he makes you smile by him smiling kind of person. You know, he just, and he's so. So set in his confidence. You know that it just, it's just amazing. I mean, I grew up watching Dr. Always from Florida State. And he gave me high hopes when he started going to HBCU. I'm like, okay, that kind of figure going to the HBCU and kids are saying

gravitated towards him. That can be very disruptive. You want to say something before we go. No, no, no, I'm good. I'm all yours. My friend the one and only Deion Sanders Dion. Thank you for joining us. Congratulations to you. We heard one of your players say Oh, it does doesn't feel real, that they feel real to you and what went through your mind when the opportunity to be the head coach of Jackson State University came along. I was elated. You talking about a team academically that leads

the FCS in APR. You're talking about a school? That's unheralded, 33,000 fans, which is astounding. You're talking about four former Hall of Famers that matriculated from this institution. I am excited. I'm I'm elated. I have on my whistle right now. I cannot wait to get on the grass and do some coaching. Yeah, good. Don't blow you with the doing this interview. We don't

we don't need that this morning. But there are a lot of good and a big 10 schools, for instance, big 10 schools today, they have so many more resources. But you decided to go to Jackson State when I'm sure you had other opportunities. So this is an historic move why that's so important to you to coach at an HBCU. First and foremost, God led me to Jackson State. That's what I

can truly honestly say. And it's just sitting on that stage and looking my people in the eye and saying and proclaiming what I plan on doing with this program. We have a coaching staff that has 84 years of NFL Experience combined coaching and playing. And these kids just need the level field, just level they need the playing field level. I cannot wait for this opportunity. If you give us the resources you give us the same

resources that these other schools have. We're going to prove that there is a highway that takes you from Jackson State all the way into the NFL, and professionalism. We're not just raising professional football players. We're raising professionals new the highway. That's right, roll. That's where he messed up. Because when you set this standard that God sends me for my people, oh, he's Yeah, he's a Christian. Oops.

Well, you start tapping into that Messiah figure. By I'm hearing you're saying that resurrect HBCU football people start believing you. And when that dream comes to an end, as you're gonna see later, he gets a lot of backlash from when he decides to take his talents elsewhere. Does spoiler alert, I'm just telling you, like when you start that God sent me for our people, bah, bah, bah, that says, you know, okay, we got to say we got up someone you're saying like, yeah, do you know

you're saying go to HBCUs. And I think that was the beginning of his downfall for if he ever saw, you know, he didn't give yourself any wiggle room, which I knew. And let's give me a little history of Deion Sanders, like a quick 32nd history. Dr. Sanders has always done what's best for him. He came up with the term business decision. That means like, if a guy's coming at him, he's a defensive player. I'm not gonna tackle him, I'm gonna shout out push him out of bounds. I'm not gonna tackle him

because I got to live to play another game. Another day. So this isn't meant not nothing. That when you say Oh, I made a business decision. Is that what he created the term business decision? Yeah. Fast forward. He went from Atlanta to San Francisco won a championship with San Francisco Super Bowl left from there. The very next year went to Dallas, their arch enemy. USA. So it's like he he's

higher sward? Which I have no problem with that. You're gonna say if you're upfront honest with people, but I understood when you start making zoning around a God sent me and I'm hearing you're saying that build the highway, you're saying and yeah, that becomes a problem. So let's go ahead and get to the final clip. Before we thanks for more people, but then I'm gonna explain to you you're saying how it went wrong.

And I am HBCU proud of myself. So I think this, as you said, it gives some legitimacy to the program that and does put you on the same playing field, which is very important for all these young men out there and and a top Prospect Record maker, he was recruited by some big college basketball program, he had announced that he was going to attend Howard University because it is an HBCU. So do you think this is the beginning of a trend by some of these young black athletes?

I'm praying so I'm not just the young black guy. Please parents as well. Only a kid just wants to know when I leave the inner city can I go to a better situation? That's why we're trying to show them how wonderful the dorms are the training tables. We have new facilities going in Jackson State University as we speak, which should be concluded by June. I cannot wait loans these kids know we're gonna get a

better situation didn't once we left, there have to do it. And I'm praying that they do because we sent out a bunch of offers yesterday to some of the best we're not recruiting low caliber kids. We're recruiting the same kids at some of the major universities are recruiting and we plan on landing them. Alright, so you see the standard he set for himself? Yeah. That was a few years ago. This is Pete George Floyd around that

era. You know, in the Colin Kaepernick this all in that era, you know, saying so just to give you some context to help people were thinking at the time, but let's go ahead and thanks some more people. And then we'll get to the fallout after after. We thanks to people.

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Alright, so I gave you the brief history of Deion Sanders sports

career but we got to go back a little bit further just to understand who he is in the making as a person. This is a from a 2002 documentary primetime to Deion Sanders story this is gonna go over his childhood real quickly so we can just get an understanding who he is. Deion Sanders grew up living with his mother and sister in a public housing project in Fort Myers, Florida. A neighborhood so riddled with crime came with its own jail. The police decided to put a police substation right inside

the project. So they could take the jail right here in the project. And they put barbed wire all around is a sort of like a prison. Dance all the pain and misery of the projects from close range. His father, daddy Buck who left the family when dad was a child was frequently unemployed and addicted to drugs. My biological father died but he use drugs. I've seen him when needles people in his room shooting up and those are the reasons why I've never chosen to drink or smoke in entirety of my life.

Mennonites, you know. We lay up in the bed and we talk you know, and I explained to him you know that your dad is gone, but I'm here for you. Last time we cried. We made the Huxtables unreal. Do you know an African American families? Really? I don't I don't know anyone who whose father is a doctor to mother's lawyer. I don't we didn't grow up like this. So I rang the bell because um it just goes to show you that he

doesn't drink he doesn't smoke. And the worst thing you could say like he likes to party I mean like how fun they me. Strong black men raise his sons to be outstanding man. I think that's why he was kind of marginalize for for somebody with his I mean, you got to understand. Deion Sanders was the only non quarterback to have his own video game. And that's how I mean everything was I mean Nikes rise was really huge with

Dallas Cowboys rise and Deion Sanders rise. him running down the sideline with a bandana on with the Nike Nike band Do headbands around his neck all Nike symbols all over. But some reason he they didn't elevate him like they do a LeBron or even Michael Jordan. What could it be? Because he has clean cut image, right? I just found that weird. You're saying that he wasn't given the if he weren't given his flowers I'll say like that, like you think he should have?

Okay. All right. So and there's reasons for that, I guess. Right? Because why you don't fit that he didn't didn't fit the profile? Well, it's a funny thing because he came in right when hip hop was getting big. And he was one of the first hip hop athletes you say embracing that. You know, didn't even go imagery. You need to a hip hop song. tinny. Yeah, must be the money must be baseball basketball game, excuse me, baseball, football, a pro level baseball,

football. music video. I mean, he had it all. But for some reason, they wouldn't elevate him. And I think the reason why because he didn't fit that. Negative Hip Hop imagery. They were trying to run when you were saying like, he's a preacher, man, or whatever you're saying like, he's a goody, goody. So I just want to point that out. Um, anything else you'd like to say? No, no, no, keep up. So now we get to development of primetime the actual personality and that's 36.

As a poor kid from the projects, Deion Sanders had used school sports to steer clear of drugs and crime. Now at the age of 18. As he graduated high school, he was facing new temptations. The Kansas City Royals were offering the quick road to riches, just as Florida State had offered Dion a free ride to college. He thought if they can offer him send the 5000 He can make even much more if he go to college. I believe in me, like no other. If you don't believe in yourself, hey, nobody else will.

And I think I'm going to school. In the summer of 1985, Dion chose to attend Florida State. By the end of his first year, he was making a name for himself in three sports, football, baseball, and sometimes track our track coach ask him when you run in one of our meats, probably our only one of your meats. So he runs into meat and whips world class fellas that's the kind of genetics I'm talking about. Yeah.

And there's only one Deion Sanders in his world. That that's the level I'm talking about that you can just oh yeah, go run. Right and what people have been training for. I mean, that's their discipline is the run track and track it takes form. I'll just go out here running now. Literally just run. Right. I don't have any technique I'm just gonna run.

Right so I'm just sure I mean, that that's that's one in a lifetime you're saying I would say one in a generation type of talent you know and God gift and ability but he was smart enough to monetize it. And you can see how he was smart enough to you're saying because you have control an image and 37 and you if you would like to ask him No, you rang the bell about him going to school? Because you can

make more money. They said oh yeah, yeah, cuz he understood like if they're gonna pay me 75,000 To play baseball minor league I gotta be worth more and that leads me to my Master P quote, you're saying that I learned to live by another person that you know, he didn't conform to the way the industry wanted to go with music. But he said if they want to pay you to me you must be worked for right so it's this

mentality of knowing your worth believing in yourself. You know, and this is this is the kind of people we grew up looking to you know, saying like primetime out there he get the respect he's supposed to get you know, I'll tell you up there with Jordan Isley that kind of person not take away money and personality and and position. He's up there with those guys. Bow right on. Alright, so 37

Deion Sanders deals. By a sophomore year Dion had sealed his reputation as someone to watch. The ambitious 19 year old wanted much more. So Dion created a character he felt would distinguish him from the rest of the pack. primetime. Somebody convinced him hey, you can make a lot of money if you sell yourself and that's exactly what he did. Stealing a page from the school of corporate marketing being created Character gave it a nickname. He began wearing gold

chains and giant rings. Dion drove around campus and his new Chrysler convertible with personalized primetime license plates. talking on his cell phone all courtesy of his hard working mother Connie. The top quarterback in college football hope primetime would help draw crowds and ticket sales convincing big league scouts to write him vaguely checks he's the miser quarterbacks isn't making any money. He's got

to do something to make plenty of money. Because he always used to always say a closed mouth is never feed just created a monster. But the prime time monster was more than just clothing. Time Time was also an attitude. An attitude Dion created based on his four favorite sports idols. Muhammad Ali because I love his brashness, but he backed it up. Hank Aaron for the way he endured those trials and

tribulations racism. OJ Simpson. He was juice and pizza care his life and took care him Dr. J. Julius constant professional business life slide of the dramatic. Did it was his mama momager. No, and that's that's cap. That's bullcrap that his mama was paying for his cell phone and Chrysler LeBaron that he was dropped, taught close the Luberon he was riding around it. That was Florida State. And if this is this is the day like we see I grew up ground on ground zero of collegiate sports in

Durham, North Carolina. Do you have a chapel here? Right, we're seeing an eight miles down the road. We saw these guys receive Wallace Jerry Stackhouse. All I'm saying grant, he'll have money you're saying Dad was wealthy or rich, where however you want to put it. But these guys talking about Dad had come from nothing. And all of a sudden, they're moving their

whole family down for wherever they lived in apartments. And then once that is, is a double standard, you're gonna hear a little bit later that his mom was paying for all now he would say he did everything he did, because my dad had no money. Now all of a sudden, she has all this money to pay for what he has. You see what I'm saying? Like, well, that's like my, again, I was 17. But 18 Whenever I went to college, and I had no idea I was I for all intensive

purposes, European. I didn't know about anything. And I you know, I connected pretty well with with the football team and a couple of guys on the team. And it was invited some parties, and it's like, Oh, this guy's off campus. He's got a cool pad. He's got a car's on a coach take share that we mean the coach takes care. shouldn't talk about that. Ah, okay, so now I see. And it's really the boosters who take care of Oh, yeah, that is and

just as a quick aside, we've saw boosters in a movie, but they put a sugar coat on it called the blindside you ever seen that lie? Of course. I've seen The Blindside? Absolutely. Okay. The movie is a lot different from from reality that they picked this guy up off the street in your disk, brought them into their home and dad to teach them how to play football. That dude was already a top recruit. Right when they but

they brought him in their home. And with the understanding that you can go to school where you want to, but we're your but our family and you're part of our family goes to I think it was Mississippi State or omit one of those schools were SEC schools. There's no saying and this is common. Got a guy went to school with they realized he could play basketball real well in Round six, seven a great plan Little League. family moved him in. LeBron James went through the same thing. And it's a

phenomenon. If you ever watched any professional draft, you're going to see the family and you'll see oftentimes the white family that you're saying like oh, this is an asset, the Sandra Bullock, right. Yeah, I'm telling you, dude, watch any Sports Draft, we were saying you will see. It's the real family, the biological family. And then there's the benefactors, which I have no issue with. You're saying My issue is, we need to start taking these kids in route to HBCUs. And I'm not a hater. It

was working. But I'm telling you this. They like to paint the blind side. Oh, we didn't know he could play football. You were saying like, No, you knew exactly what you were getting when you let him in your home. You're saying and it was with the understanding that we could rouse you as a booster to our university. Alma Mater. So when you saw the movie, The Blind Side, right? Do you see it? Nothing. theater. No, I saw it at home. Okay, so what did you think of it?

I knew exactly what was going on from the beginning. I mean, I hate the sound light but I really do what is so what was the point of this movie? Was it just a feel good movie, no to properly put to popularize that method to say it's okay to saying bring top five, four or five star recruits into your home to route no to your university. And like I say the thing about his mom getting pat him on paying for all that stuff. We saw his eye on we used to the mom and Nike head gave

her a job. You don't say like come on site they will LeBron James his mama bought him a Hummer, he will say like well. So what I'm saying is is very clear. And it was all movie called the program the boosters count to get at her $100 handshake. I'll go down to the booth, go down to the dealership, a booster now never runs the dealership, pick out a car and listen, that kind of thing. Or you get a job you don't have to show up to and we'll cut you a paycheck, that

kind of thing. So I'm just I'm just saying like there's a whole system to it. And now that to show you that Dion was effective, which I'm gonna skip over 38 and go straight to 39

for the sake of time, but all 38 was saying what Deion Sanders said, I am a he said there are people coming to me saying he felt like he should have been a preacher. But he's like, No, I just go directly to the people. And that's the back said that's the that's his personality. People are drawn to him. They love Trump. You're saying we all love i don't know i haven't met a person yet that didn't like Dr. I even myself, I hated Dr. When he played for 40 Niners. Next year he called the Dallas

biggest dei fan in the world. He was saying like this is what kind of guy he is. But you know, I can't remember as a super charming nice guy. Right with this huge million watt smile. He was exactly very charming. Very charming, right? So the show that he's it was effective at what he's doing. I got an 18 second clip. Now next, just because you know why sports, Nick Saban is like the king of college football right now at Alabama, at the same Alabama that we spoke about

before. He was saying University. He was getting off me Alabama, they had guys that wouldn't even start and going to the NFL. This is how stat he was with talent. Dion came in and started becoming effective. upset him out albacore you could hear it in 38. We have a rule right now that says you cannot use name image likeness to entice a player to come to your school. He'll read about it

in the paper. I mean, Jackson State paid a guy a million dollars last year that was a really good division one player to come to school. It was in the paper and they bragged about it. Nobody did anything about it. And went Wow, okay. It's not supposed to be unmentioned. You would think I mean, cuz I'm telling you coach Kade I love Duke basketball. I love ACC basketball. But Coach K was paying players not him. But the boosters. Dean's to me it was

paying players not him. But the boosters. All these teams pay their players one way or another. But the fact that when Dion started doing it, and then they changed the rule recently, where these player can start using their kneel or name, image and likeness, to monetize themselves, YouTube channels, whatever else now is a new game. Now when you say the boosters how does that mechanism work, I

understand what they are but where it tells me how the can now it connects to the university where the boosters they write checks to the university so the universities can have added it's two ways it works. It's above board and below. Well, three ways one, you can house potential recruits like The Blind Side and route them to your universe. That's one way let them borrow your car your convertible right to you can write a huge check, you know, in help pay for

these facilities. Wherever guy you're saying they got the top of the line nutrition top of the line. training facilities. weightless, right? When they get injured. They have these pools they run in zero gravity pool that treadmills in their locker room look like for Alabama, to make the facility attractive for them to come to.

Right. And not only that, and here's the thing if you say to me, my son and he turns out to be a five star athlete and you say do you want him to go to Alabama or HBCU there's a real there's a real conversation and thought process. I'm good It's a third one, but I gotta lay it out the second one. Rehab, these guys tear ACL MCL. All the time. Alabama's team doctor was the team doctor for pro athletes as well. Everybody flew down to him

to get their ACL MCL is repaired right? Yeah, this this is how serious I mean, like, like you will do a thoroughbred horse. You're saying we gotta let him run? You know, we can't let him we're treating them like they're animals. Mo. Exactly. Now, you see, now you see the legacy is still there. But if you like I said, Now, if you get hurt at HBCU or small school, you might go to you're saying the county hospital and your career is over. You're saying that we've seen this all

the time. You saw that in Friday Night Lights you're saying with the movie with movie Daniels? They're saying towards me career over? I'm just saying and then the third one is that hurt all a handshake kind of thing which I laid out. You're saying? The under you're saying give you money under the board. Right. And recently this the captisol off? Brett Farbe he was leaning on politicians to Bill his daughter's volleyball team of $4 million of volleyball stadium.

Yeah, but he's Brett Farve so okay. Right. He was able to do all this. And it was like no harm no foul. So I'm just showing you when you start coming in and being effective, like Dr. Was he was started getting top recruits. It's kind of an I had to say there's no way to save that. You got to get rid of him. And what I mean get rid of him

is a lot of people say to Dr. Sell out, did Dr. Sell out? I say no Dion was bought off. Let's listen to clip 40 and then explain to you what I mean by that Deion Sanders wasn't really paying attention. And then like, the social media blew up, people will no longer friends anymore. Social media after Thanksgiving. That would have been I know fried about politics. So Deion Sanders, named head coach for the University of Colorado after coaching at HBCU Jackson State.

Some people have been critical and felt like it's just loyal. But other people like don't count his money. That's right, my man get ahead in the world. And you know what? disloyal, he only revived a more abundant program. They're brought all kinds of attention to the SW AC the southwestern Athletic Conference, otherwise called the SWAC. And the HBCUs. In general. Well, yes. Everybody

benefited from the glare of the spotlight that he was under. Not only do he do a phenomenal job winning two consecutive swag titles they play in the championship game. The bowl game coming up, I think is December the 17th. He said he is going to finish out the deal. Hey, look, he never said he was there to stay for an eternity. The two issues one because the HBCUs have been so overlooked since the NFL raided it of all of his awesome talent decades ago, and he now has brought new attention

there. That's a good thing. They've all benefited Dion speech when he was talking to his players, he made the point that, hey, in the coaching profession, you are either shown the door, or the few times that happens, you can walk out on your own. So he's got other things he wants to accomplish, and everybody's going to benefit. Is this ESPN or TMZ? This was CVS. This is good more than one of those morning shows? Like Yeah. The main morning show or whatever I have over CBS.

Gayle, your show could ask Jim, that's Jim Brown speaking. I'm not the Jim James groundskeeping. Not Jim Brown. But yeah, so when he said I'm leaving and going to University of Colorado, predominantly white institution, or white school, a lot of people are upset with Dr. Sure. And rightfully so because, in my opinion, you set the standard that I'm here to build a highway, you want to stay in front, you know, and I'm here and we got to be honest, now is where we get to get to be honest

about we all we all have been honest, but brutally honest. He set the standard that he was going to be this change agent of change to come in and use his celebrity to draw kids and money to Jackson State. And you know, all of that. And it was only two years or something it was there. Right. Right. I think three years if I'm not mistaken. Oh, well, I wouldn't know. Well, I'm not sure myself. It was three years.

But here's the thing, Jackson State let you be prom. If you go to Alabama, you're going to be proud but within our parameters, they gave him carte blanche Send a B and whoever say Do whatever you want to run the program how you want it to. And a lot of other schools didn't want it like Deion Sanders coached their school because they were like he didn't have a college degree and all it is. So the HBCU gave you your chance. And they you came

in with all this Messiah talk. So you can't be frustrated with people, because they expect you to live up to your expectations. Now, on the other hand, Jackson State didn't take care of Dr. Order school. And Jackson State is down there. And you're saying in Mississippi, where they had the Jackson, Mississippi where they don't normally have clean water, he was saying like, he had to cut the grass himself. They would like say they didn't

couldn't pay him. But this is what I can say I'm kind of torn because on one hand, I can see it both ways. You set the standard that you didn't live up to. But I understand who Deion Sanders really is from following who I'm saying all my spending most of my life, watching this and watching these business moves. So you know, that's that's the weird part about it. And it's like, we can never have nothing unless we start building it ourselves. And people like, well, that's a far fetched

dream, not to me. Now, we got to have a little more storytime, I went to three colleges, right. First I went to my parents went

to Appalachian State University. That's what I graduated from. And the only reason they went there because they went back to school in their late 20s, early 30s. And that was the only place to have apartments on campus in the 80s actual apartments that was near where they grew up it. So I grew up on a white campus, you know, and they were even broken and proud of me, then he

was saying, because I was like, I went to school on campus. And he was I remember being at an apple two computer and like, Oh, you're saying, oh, black kid can work a computer, you know, saying, and that kind of thing. I mean, like looking backwards, you can kind of tell I mean, not saying a negative way. But they show interest in me, you know, saying, of course, because I was these black face in all white class. So my parents graduate from there, both my brothers went there and graduated from

there. Here's your cause my turn. And I really didn't want to go, I really didn't want to go at all. I wanted to go to black school, right? But it was like torn, because it's like, do you go where your parents graduate and your brother? You're saying keep the family tradition? Or do you go what you want to do. And I went there one year, and I will come to school on Monday and leave on Thursday. That's how I have my classes set up. And I will be back home Thursday night. Because it was

just, I was a fish out of water. He was saying, I would just it just didn't work for me. So then I go in. I told them I'm not going back to school. Like right before, right before I was taught to go out comes the slipper. Right? It was a nice, you're going to school somewhere. Like when she told you that you saw then I go to UNC cu NorCal on central Central

University, the ones that beat Jackson State recently. So in the championship game, and I go there for a year and you're saying as a you go to school somewhere option, and then I end up at Northland NC State University, you know, and I'll just say it like this, I think every black kid and experience that they'll be in that kind of nurturing environment and weird part about it on campus nurturing, but the problem is

they build it in low low income real estate around it. So you get this weird thing like you're on campus and you're doing your thing. And if you go one block over you might get robbed. And that's a reality and that's Deion Sanders got stuff got robbed we're saying down at Jackson State. So I'll lay all this out to say you're saying this is why this show was

important for me because I could kind of see it both ways. But going back to App State, they had a football team and they were kind of rinky dink when he first started out but they ended up being one of the biggest schools in college football Michigan University University of Michigan and I assure you if his continual growth and building you could get to that level you know saying like you not sit where you start off of course everything's possible but a lot of people believe I'm

saying go for the Fast Book, you know that kind of thing you know, and and you it's that town the Tim kind of thing and you're going to hear in the next set of clips. So he made the wrong the right decision. Would you want to say something I'll just I'm doing a lot of talking because you know, it's part of this is the person who shouted me Sure. Well, all the shows are personal. Right? I was just saying like, you certainly didn't choose the fast buck doing a podcast was what I was thinking.

No, I mean, the same thing is exactly I mean, you talk about this all the time like I could easily go and hold myself out you're saying to either side left or right and oh you know saying as long as I use their talking point I could do all right you know saying but it's like no, I'm autonomy is huge for me. Right, it was and I think that's a real problem that Dion's gonna face in Colorado. And I honestly believe I'll save that for when we get to this set of clips. But autonomy is huge

for me. And I think this is the best option and the same thing with not taking the jab. Right autonomy is using me you're saying like is, that's the only way you can be a man if you're autonomous. I agree. All right, no Storytime with Moe, let's go

ahead and get back into 41 Why can't Deion Sanders just choose to be with who he wants to be? Oh, he can go take whatever job he wants. But when you come into the first job and sell the idea that you are going to be the savior of HBCUs and you are going to raise the playing field not just for Jackson State but for everybody else and you're gonna do it because God told you to do it he didn't said that.

You said that he explicitly said that God sent him to do this. Oh no. Then when you leave Yeah, people are going to ask questions about what exactly it was now I don't go into the

sellout place necessarily. But I do think he's the monorail salesman from The Simpsons he went in he sold the big dream now if you paid any attention you knew the dream he was selling wasn't possibly it was not an achievable one that he had but he sold it and he got people to believe it and then each have to do some left so as you know Shannon Sharpe price so she and you heard his comments. I want to play them for our audience because he Shannon Sharpe has a sort of a rising tide lifts all

boats. If he did it for Jackson State, then maybe that helped the entire HBCU let's play this and I want your response to it. Okay, that's interesting. Couple things that while it is probably a good lesson that you know, if you're gonna say God sent me to do something, you know, people are going to expect some big

things. That's not exactly how it works. But you know, people will Oh, okay, well, if that's the case, and then the minute you decide do something else, which God could have told him as well then and then that doesn't compute. So that's always a it's always a risk to do that. And it taps into the psyche of waiting for Messiah. Yes, it is. It's our rampid thought, two things. I want to dress it one at one clip. One is the rampid thought and we're waiting on the

Messiah. You're saying who's the next MLK? Who's the next Malcolm X? Who's bro you be the man in your house for your children? Right? I'll do the same. It wasn't and we will have continuous improvement. Not waiting for somebody to carry us to the promised land like Moses, you know, and that's what Kanye was kind of tapping into as well. With that, you know, saying I'm here and I'm like Moses kind of thing. Excuse me. Yeah, I got I got to stop doing it. But you're saying they were

saying because like Colin cashes out Muhammad Ali Cassius Clay. I don't want to be disrespectful, but it's just a muscle memory thing. But you know, and then the other thing is, is this was his name. The other guy talking? I know his name. I can't think of it on the in the clue. Yeah, I can't think it's Bomani. Bomani Jones, I believe it is this downward thinking like, oh,

it's an impossible feat. Not I don't know. How, I mean, this is a thing like, oh, when you say this is the kind of downward thinking that we had to face is that oh, you're saying oh, you know, that's, that's impossible. Nothing's impossible. You put your wheel to it and belief in it. But that's the kind of thing like he should have been sold out. That's what I'm hearing. He should just should have went straight past go and collect his

$200. And it's the justification and I'm gonna tell you this, this hit home with a lot of the sports casters, cuz he's like what you were saying about the podcast? He's like, why don't you start your own podcast? Why don't you go to YouTube and start your own channel? Why you are here working for ESPN. Sally's saying Deanna sell out by working for ESPN. Me saying like, we all know the history of Disney. But it's like, whoa, like you were saying? Yeah. Hello. It was weird. It was

weird. He was saying just weird. Did he strike out on his own, but y'all will? Well, I mean, this is mainstream media, you know, what do you expect from him? I was gonna say, that wouldn't be expectation. I was gonna say to be at least fair. I mean, like y'all are working for big organizations and companies. Sure. So, like I said, if the media builds up, the media breaks down. The media facilitates a comeback. That's the way it always goes.

And we start at 41 or 42. We 42 is up next. Okay, it's gonna get in the 40. Sorry about that. Let's go and get the 42 D and D is something that very few coaches are able to do. He leveraged his relationships. Skill. No football team had more uniform than Jackson State, except the University of Oregon, Under Armour. Every single week. They got new helmets. They got new unis. He did this with our Walmart He took 150,000 of his salary and helped finish building the facilities he did.

He leveraged his relationship with American Airlines. He brought us to HBCUs guilt by talking about HBCUs, especially now, they're talking about their own television. That's because of him. He gave you a blueprint. Now follow the blueprint. He's saying basically, mission accomplished. But do you think

Well, I mean part of it, and Allah shattered the death. Part of where I disagree with him is somebody that was singular to Deion Sanders, like we do have to admit that he is the charismatic individual, like, just because Dion could do it doesn't mean that everybody else can do it. That's the first part. The second thing they're gonna play in the celebration bowl, I believe next week in Atlanta against the champions of the MEAC. They played in that bowl game last year, South

Carolina State blew their doors off in that game. Do you know the head coach of South Carolina State? Can you name a single player, South Carolina State, I can't, it brought attention to Dion, it brought attention to Jackson State, you weren't gonna bring attention to all these other schools in the time period that he was there. Like if he was really going to accomplish that. That's a 10 year program. At least you're saying he had to stay.

Alright, so that once again, that negative thinking one thing that was the uniforms, a point I want to make on that is that I only difference between D one and D three HBCU. And he's even saying these different levels of football, is the cameras is the uniform, you know, what's that like? To show the show element? Right? You can shoot it a certain way. I mean, because like when HBCU you got like one stationary camera to fit your line. And then you got maybe a couple on the sidelines.

100% is like Elvis performing in a circus tent. I mean, you need you need the whole kit and caboodle to make it the spectacle that football is. Right. And a lot of that is the uniforms. And the cameras. You know, we've seen this, you know, so that's one thing. And he did laid out in the blueprint because he could have easily the blueprint is bringing celebrity coaches, I don't care if it could coach football a lick or not. You're saying I won't.

Jerome Bettis and all these legends walking up and down HBCU HBCU sidelines as the draw. And then your staff be you're saying we'll highly trained. But you're the draw. You're saying you you are that's what Dr. Not to take away from his football knowledge. What I'm saying you're the ambassador for your school, you know, you're going to do in the press runs and whatever like that. Now, one of the things I want to talk about

is one of his supporters was Walmart. Walmart, you dare to push the vaccine? How heavy is it? Nobody's going to talk like like this because they either gonna be pro prime or anti look, I think probably a good thing. I think he should stay in longer if his goal was to build that highway, but if you want to take his talents elsewhere, you know, I'm all for it too. Because one thing is his son played for him and his son's a quarterback and

if he wants his son to go to a pro B go to the pros. He got to go play against you know, bigger not bigger school but schools to get more attention right that's the thing. But Walmart they were pushing the vaccine heavy at Jackson State. Dr. had blood clots in his toes and lost to his toes when right after the vaccine was started being pushed crap. Nobody in Elgin when a fact check the two for you people saying he had a long history of injuries data. I'm like, No, that whenever they

fact check something, that means something stinks. So I had to be honest with you, like all money ain't good money. Do you think that was a part of his decision to leave? I don't know. But I want to say this. He should have factored in and thinking about decision where he's going to Colorado how attitude but we know how to plays in Michigan. Yeah, for sure. We get some value prayer for Dr instead of prom, you know, because I don't know if you factor that in or not. But

um, yeah, so I would just want to lay that out there. And just one final point. The reason why I say I don't think he sold out I think he was bought off. He's going to want to code this. No pun intended. Why this place is there is Cotter University Colorado, having a black coach for there is nothing new that has to before two or three before him. So it's not that spectacular in that case. What is is Nike has a long, lucrative relationship with Colorado. I think this was the body on off.

So he doesn't become the change agent that he wanted to do. To start saying, Oh, we can start going to HBCUs. Because what people don't understand is in colleges where you meet your agent, and colleges where you meet your lawyer, and for these monies, dues or financial epicenters investor where he was saying like, it's a serious industry, I mean, that's obvious, right? And colleges where you meet colleges where you meet your wife. It wasn't that we got to factor it in there, too. When

they bring these black kids to these schools. That's higher chance they're gonna meet a white girlfriend. Oh, why that's all this plays into it. Shonda saying like, I think I think it was a high level decision to say, you heard Nick Saban. Look, he already to one player five star player from us. You want to let this keep going? You know, do you want to go back to the Bear Bryant age. And that's what that's that's real. That's real. That's the reality. So anything else you want to add to it? I

know I said, I know a lot. But I'm enjoying it. Because this is not my territory, obviously. Right. But I like it. And I'm actually thinking I should pay more attention to this. This might be fun, this football thing in all you have to do is watch, you don't gotta watch the games, just watch the sports news. I mean, like the sports media, because that's what they argue about all day, every day, you know, saying these different different facets of the game,

you know, how they play out, you know, and in real life. So, got the last clip 43 Let's go ahead and get into the backlash. 60 minutes, profile them just like a month or two ago and it was on that program. He said, I believe that God called me collect and I had to accept the charges. And then he said this, let's play it.

That's a lot of folks sit back on Twitter friends and talk about what they're gonna do and and I wanted to go do it. Do what? Change lives, change the perspective of HBCU football, make everyone step up to the plate and do what's right by these kids. didn t do that, at least by starting it. And now as Shannon

was saying, is it up to others to carry it forward? I mean, if you go out and other Deion Sanders, right like that's the thing of this is that if he was going if you're talking about establishing something long term, right, something that is

sustainable the idea he got started now you go do it. I don't you're making his blueprint argument because there are others who are in the NFL or former NFL players who who are Catholic, charismatic do and who could step in the last 35 years telling us ain't but one Deion Sanders, always telling us go find somebody else to do what Deion Sanders does. You can't have this both ways. I don't judge him for taking the job in Colorado, he probably increased

his salary by something like 15 times, right? I totally get that it all makes sense. But what he did was something that college coaches do all the time, which is you have to sell people for your 10 year plans when your plan is always one year at a time. That's the only way that you could really pull that off. So we came in and he sold a long term vision for what was going on at Jackson State. But his goals and ambitions were always

to be a Power Five head coach. My take has always been he went to Jackson State primarily because he wanted to be a head coach but didn't want to ever be anybody's assistant coach. So we had to find somebody that would give him a job and make him a head coach so we could have that on his resume and then he could take that to try to get the job that he actually wanted hmm question amongst your amongst your football watching

buddies. Is there a descent about him that people different differing opinions is 5050 I mean, that's that's that's a you know, saying this straw poll kind of thing. Go get the bat and one one half is go get the bag and it's like other half is like Do not let us down. And that's why I'm sitting in the middle I can understand with his language and he used and you get the misconception that he was

gonna be a Messiah because that's what he sold. But on the other hand everybody wants to be the best in their profession. You're saying? I like what the what that one commentator said it's like you sell your five or 10 year plan but you've always got a one year plan for yourself and that's true because if you suck then you're out after a year. Right and that's the thing about college football is especially

they assign you to a four year deal. He was saying but they only gave you going in a year or two if you lose bad enough and I'm glad you said that could remind me of something Colorado don't even know how to go pay Dion they came and said we don't have the money just yet. What? Yes, look it up. We don't know how we gonna pay him. No, I said this is a cost. You have Nike backing you want to lose that stat. It's the established

route. It's like natural resources. Like you're talking about pipelines, you're saying that's the natural use that line Language in these college sports pipelines. And yeah, you don't want to upset the current pipeline with a competitor. You're like, that's what the Middle East war you always talk about was about the pipelines, right? This is the same thing. They don't Nike don't want to have to deal with HBCUs. And they they're happy. We're dealing with Alabama and all

established schools. So they'll say, Okay, what's the number 5 million? Oh, yeah, he's not gonna come here and play that out of that. You're saying, oh, quarterback, whatever. He was saying he can he can run it. However he wants to run it. Yeah. 5.0 million. Colorado. admits we don't have the money yet. Hello, Nike. Come help. Exactly. Is that in fact, that's an open call right there. That's basically Hey, Nike. I don't know, man. Adidas, you guys interested? I hear you got that

yay, cat. And you know, and it sounds like it wouldn't just have to be Nike, anybody can come in and do it now. Right? When which, which I have to look back at my people and say y'all dropped the ball. Deion Sanders supposed to be coaching for Howard University, one of the preeminent HBCUs right now, instead of Jay Z being a point 1% owner, right? You could be a champion. Now I'm not spending nobody else's

money. You're saying that don't take me wrong. But if you're talking about solutions, y'all should go in and build the Shawn Carter athletic facility. You're saying Oh, Howard, and Sean Sean Diddy Combs. You're saying athletic department no down and wherever Beyonce basketball court has all the cool stuff we can do. Exactly. Because guess what that would tip the scale. But they know what's up, and they know, they can't upset the applecart.

Like that's part of being the Boulais you can't bring about real change, you know, saying you had to bring about you know, acceptable change. And that's that's all I gotta say about but it's just like it was a fascinating and to think the Jerry Jones and the Deion Sanders store was going parallel at the same time that at the same time saying and say well, you

have confirmed all my belief about professional sports and that's for sure. And given me more insight into into how it works in America I'm sure it's the same and all in all sports to a degree but man we are unique, aren't we? We're unique how we abuse race for every thing is the greatest mechanism for a microphone. Well, for people who made it to the end here of this episode of MO Fox with Adam curry, your mind is clear. You're not

controlled. You've got to you've got some some shielding now, as usual, and we hope to bring a lot more of that in the coming year and 2023 and more I really appreciate what you do every single time on on this podcast. I really love doing it with you brother. And I appreciate every every second we record together Adam because it was saying it's a it's a wonderful time. But as I always say pay attention to everything and the truth will

reveal itself and we will see everybody back here next year. Right here on mo facts with Adam curry episode 89 coming up in January make sure you stay tuned to the socials when we announce it. Moment have a great and very happy new year we'll talk to you in 2023 Brother All right Sandy, you Adam. Everybody else see you soon I'm Mo facts with Adam curry. You