81: Qincidence

Yo mo facts with Adam curry from May 21 2022 It's episode number

81, y'all. That's right. That's my Texas drawl y'all. 95 degrees here in Texas. What are we? May you kidding me? I'm Adam curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country feeling region number six and it's time once again to spin the Wheel of topics from here to Northern Virginia. I wonder what the temperature is? Let's find out. Please say hello to my friend on the other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo facts. I know Adam. Mo I'm always good when I hear your sultry tones brother.

How we made it's one of my speaking hot weather. This is the perfect home for the intro. Yeah, we got a little summertime. Early summertime. It's like 90 degrees. It was like 95 here yesterday. It's just insane. What's going on? They got it. They keep turning on HAARP to ruin our food supply or something. I don't know what's going on and the bad is really bad. How's everything going? Oh, you cool? Everything's going well. I'm almost done. Talking about

eating some Banana Nut Bread. It almost took me out here but I'm good. But are you allergic for nuts? Or for bananas? No, it was actually just choked on a piece of it. Not too bad. Like it was slightly strangle but it almost I'm sorry. Yeah, but now everything's going good. Everything's real good man. It's just it's it's a little bit too warm. We actually went to the keeper and I went to South Carolina Charleston for a big meetup. And I gotta tell you it

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the topic for more facts with Adam curry episode number 81 Round around the wheel goes where it stops nobody knows but Moe knows where it is the topic for episode 81 is you can never be Tupac. And you could never be Tupac and he can never be he can never be Tupac voice I just got to stop stop for a minute you asked me how I was doing well but the black men Coalition have ticker har L this since we've last so yeah, Samuels passed away and I want

to put much respect on his name. I know he's a very polarizing figure but you know as we do around here, if nothing more we human OS people saw well either brother rest in peace indeed. And and it was a shock to me, because you sent me the link because of course You know, a black man dying doesn't show up on my Twitter timeline please. And it's just like wow, it was

shocking to me because I've watched his stuff a lot. I've always I've always enjoyed what he has to say and I think he has a lot of really valid points and very low facts attitude towards things I understand why he was polarized do we know what he passed away from it was this sudden unexpected the official word is not out yet or something concerning his heart like I said, it's just that that's that's a hard and right there because what we always talk about independent

media and that's what allows for different viewpoints. But that's not what this show was about. But I had to use his voice for the ISO yeah to show much respect put a lot of respect on his name. But we got to talk about the Will Smith and this is

what we've all been waiting for this. Oh, yeah. Oh, I wish you could see my face now moment. Oh, by the way, I'm sorry to interrupt. We tested yesterday we tested podcasting. 2.0 live with video and and, and

the booster grams, which is the like YouTube, Super Chat. We added. It's still baling wire and gaffer tape and stuff. But mo it's work and I actually I streamed myself, which is against all of my principles. I streamed myself live and I did it through stream yard and everything works. So we're getting very close to being ready for like a YouTuber. YouTube killer is what I'm building for you mo I'm building it for you for nobody else.

And for all the people that want to have the freedom of speech. That's the big thing, because we see what's going on now. But not

to belabor that I know everybody's on pins and needles to get to the episode. But one more thing about the same situation. Yeah. You got to see real time after show ad. How black ugly black Twitter can be or saying Black Twitter can be Yes, again. So that was the sad part about it. And I guess we can go and get started. Now this is this is we got to start at the beginning. This is we'll Packard talking to Tiffany cross about the money for Academy Awards.

All right, next Sunday is the 94th Annual Academy Awards this year is already bound to be different with three Women's

Center hosts and the one and only Will Packer FAMU alum and big time Hollywood mogul heading up the Oscars first ever black production team. I am so thrilled and excited to welcome will Whoa. Hey, I didn't know that. What the whole production team was quote unquote, black, except for the host, obviously. Production. But did you catch that while we got the clip stop? Three women. Yeah. Various hues. But I mean, we can continue on production team. I am so thrilled and excited to welcome

Will Packer How you doing this morning, brother? So happy to have you on the show. And thank you for being here. Are you of course you could mean when you call I answered HBCU family in the house. I appreciate you and all you do and how you feel it. I'm feeling great now that you're sharing the screen with me. And I want to get right into it because there's a lot happening in the world right now. And you know, pulling together a glamorous award show is frequently prime for making

political points. One of your co hosts Amy Schumer, she suggested Ukraine's President make an appearance. So President Vladimir Zelensky. As I found that really interesting one, will we see Zelinsky at the Academy Awards and to how political Do you anticipate this event being?

That's a good question, you know, and I will tell you and to her credit, Amy is always somebody who wants to push the envelope in a variety of ways, and not that this is particularly envelope pushing, but she is somebody who, not even just with political statements of social impact, but also just in terms of entertainment values, comes in with a ton of really, really great ideas. And so what I was

saying, I can't reveal anything specific yet. But the show still coming together still in process, even though it's you know, just a week away. It all comes together very, very quickly at the end, when I say just kind of overall is that we want the show to be fun and entertaining. I think there are a lot of spaces and platforms that are discussing what we all know is a very tumultuous time in the world. And it has been the last couple of years when I want this to be funny as an

escape. I really do. I want it to be a celebration. I wanted to be a night the tone of it should be fun and uplifting. And it should also be something that it's not just about just the Hollywood elites. What was entertaining maybe not in the way they intended and then pushing envelopes. Yeah, there was there was definitely envelopes to be pushed or conversation and to be ignited from this event happening. Now I have to caution

people. I've done I've talked about this On several occasions on the YouTube channel, but this is the first time me you actually talked about it in detail. But how you alerted me was Chris Rock. Just say Chris Rock started real. Yeah, please,

please. Well, I can probably look it up exactly. But yeah, I think that's what I said is almost have it here. Yeah Chris Rock just touch the third rail. And I think I said he slapped the crap out of Wilson Will Smith just beat slap Chris Rock? Yeah, that's what it was key came up there and said something witty or funny or that way it was like, okay, you know, saying I was shocked. I asked Chris Rock, so it wasn't too later. I think Gropp hit me up.

It was like, Did you see the video? And I was like, What in the world had exploded? So it was just funny how we said that. I took it as the laughing it will be with

physical physical violence. Yeah. Just one thing about Amy Schumer. I actually thought she was pretty good. She made me laugh a couple times. And I was like, Oh, that's interesting, because I'm not an Amy Schumer fan. And moreover, not a fan because I heard that I think I can say this. Joe Rogan told me that comedians hate her because she's a joke stealer. And that's like, the lowest thing that's the lowest of the lowest. Yeah, you cannot be much worse than that.

Yeah. So take that for what it is. And again, I'm not a fan. I like Dr. Cheese very well, because I don't like her in real life. But what she did was pretty funny. I thought it was okay for as long as it lasted. It was no somebody was inappropriate. You know, it's feeling guys up and feeling their butts like Okay, since when is that okay? And wake in woke world. And it was some of that at the Oscars as well. But I guess now we gotta get to, because we're gonna talk about Amy Schumer

Schumer a little bit later. Cuz he plays this a weird or strange roll in the black Oscars, quote unquote, black Oscars is like, Okay, we'll get there. Now. This is after the fat will packers interviewed about the moment it's done in the world. It sounds like Chris Rock had the ability the option to have the LAPD go arrest and remove. Will Smith from the theater that night. That's an absolute fact the LAPD made it clear. We

will do whatever you want us to do. And one of the options is that we will go and arrest him right now. Wow. Well, Swift is smacked out of it. That moment came after what we now know was an unscripted joke from rock about Smith's wife Jada Pinkett Smith, who's recently been vocal about her battle with alopecia. Jane, love Yu Gi Jane to can't wait to see it. You're sitting monitors around you tell me what's in your room around.

I said, watch this. He's gonna kill because I knew he had an amazing lineup of jokes that we had, we had him in the prompter. And ultimately, he did not get to one joke. He didn't tell one of the plan jokes. He was just immediately freestyling but I thought this was part of something that Chris and will were doing on their own. I thought it was a bit I thought it was a bit like everybody else. I practiced it not

concerned when he started as he's walking. I figured okay, you know, he's gonna say something to come at him Something funny is going to happen because that's the nature of Chris and that's the nature of will so let's see what happens

that is Yeah, that's true. That's what everybody expected until of course we all found sought quickly that it wasn't a bit or at least wasn't supposed to be it didn't end as a bit and that's the million dollar question that that waited so long for the other shoe to drop to make the show to have something definitive if it was staged or not. Because as you heard, Will Packer say no, he said none of the putting the

plan jokes. He's just came up there in this freestyle, which is weird strange to do but it will fit to leaning to the side of being stage. Now I have to ask you which side are you on? Was it stage or do you think it was real real or not? I think it

was are you are you are starting I gotta give you out. No, I'm the what I saw looked like every movie slap I've seen so these are. It looks to me like two guys who who definitely had have trained in the art of making a punch or slap or something look real. I think that's what a lot of people saw. Or at least it kind of felt that way it was you know, I've of course I've watched the video in slow motion is very hard to tell

I don't know but that's why it's good. So these guys either they had rehearsed this or they've rehearsed they've done this enough to know how it works and so you're just kind of standing in that stance that it might have been muscle memory at that point actually, just listening to that clip. Now let's just listen to it again. All right, next Sunday is a nice and up the Oscars first was that no, I'm sorry. It was this. I just wanted to hear that

moment. Again. It sounds like Chris Rock girthy asked him right now. That sounded like a microphone being hitting him being hit. It doesn't want him to think yes, that's it. I'm an audio guy. So I listened to this I'm like, that doesn't sound like someone got slapped this Listen again. Oops. Is that we will go and arrest him right now.

Just didn't sound right. It didn't look right to me. And of course the only reason why it what was shocking was not even that it's like oh man, maybe these guys just like to slap each other there's you know, there's trends on Tik Tok for that too but when he started saying keep you can my wife's name out of your effing mouth you know so that may be that part was unscripted I don't know but

that's the weird cuz like He's everything up to this lap. Yep, say what Mitch what was said after the slap wheels part he's he's on top you're seeing top five actors all time. So I mean that that's easy for him to do. What was impressed me if it was at noon was Chris Rock. And the way he kind of is like last word, so was it that because we we say staged it could be pre planned on wheels part like if he said anything about Jamie this is wrong way to do it and not and not be upset about it

because he was actually laughing. When he first said the joke. It was like somebody got a teacup out. You're saying and started isn't stirring it. Like, get out. I mean, get out style. And trigger. He's like MK keys. Yes. That's even texted me that so now J to hold his MK keys. I'm like, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That sent me down a whole rabbit hole. I'm glad we're doing this episode.

Right. So where are we going? I wanted to get that out of the way, because now we're going to discuss this solely as if it was staged, who has the clout to make this call on this stage? And this night, the 94 Academy Awards, the black Oscars. Let's see what happens. Name. I'm going to Okay. Once I saw will yelling at the stage was such vitriol. My heart dropped. And I just remember thinking, Oh, no, oh, no. Not like this. And Chris was keeping his head when everybody else was

losing theirs. But my heart at that point was just in my stomach because of everything about it, and what it represented and what it looked like and who was involved. All of that was just, I never felt so immediately devastated, like I did in that moment. But it still wasn't until rock walked backstage that Packer was finally convinced that Smith had actually struck him. The winners are walking off stage. Chris is with them. And I immediately go up to Chris, and you say what are you do what?

I said, Did he really hit you? And he looked at me and he goes, Yeah, he goes, I just took a punch from Muhammad Ali as only Chris can he was immediately you know, in in joke mode, but you could tell that he was very much still in shock. Mm hmm. Okay. So, obviously will packers I don't think he's an on it. No, it's you know, if there was something to be in on I'd look at all Hi. Sorry to say but I'd look at the producers. Like the other producers. The other

let me start my see what he has to say about it. He sincerely sound like because you get let me translate some of the things he was saying. All right, he said in a very political way. Like all that sinking feeling. What he's actually saying is they let us have the Oscars day being black people. Yeah. And this what happens? Oh, God, no, we're never gonna get this. Yeah, you know what's interesting? I didn't know this

was the Like Oscars? I didn't view it that way. Yeah, certainly not at that point the show at no point was I like, oh, man, this is just black people Oscars, not not for when I'm sensitive because of the show. Right. And, and, you know, my my job in general. So I'm always looking at that. Now, at the end, at the end of the show what I have said, maybe it was a

little skewed in the voting maybe. But I didn't get the feel that it was, you know, the black Oscars, as in I didn't even know that it was produced by an entire quote unquote, Black Team. And it wasn't highly touted because I had to go to Tiffany cross it no disrespect to her show to find, you know, the pre clips. It wasn't like there was a big press Run to say this is the black Oscars. Some of the acts like you said, I think Megan the stallion performed. Yeah, that was kind of weird.

And like, out of place, like, Okay. We've seen, I think performed as well. So I mean, we've seen this before. But there's a reason behind this being the black Oscar so we can get to it. You want to say something? No, no, that's good. I'm all ears. Do we stop at four? I think we're on fire. Yeah, we're on five. Yeah, here we go. Okay, that made that clear, like, rock. You tell me whatever you want to do, brother. He was telling me. I'm fine. Let's just

get past this. I'm getting out of here. I can't believe this happened. The LAPD came and needed to talk to Chris. And so they came into my office. And they were laying out very clearly what Chris's rice were. And they were saying, this is battery. We will go get him. We are prepared. We're prepared to get him right now. You can press charges, we can arrest him. As they were talking, Chris was he was being very dismissive of

those options. He was like, No, I'm fine. He was like, no, no, no. And even to the point where I said, I said, rock, let them let them finish. And they said, you know, would you like us to take any action? And he said, No. He said, No. Yeah. That's interesting by itself. You know, he really hasn't made a statement he took no action has been kind of quiet. That's that. That's all very unexpected. I think it is. For me, it was expected. Because the less he

talks about it, I think it helps in a couple of ways. One, where he actually does talk about it, like an actual stand up form. Yeah. I mean, Netflix, yeah. Blank shit, you know, that kind of into? I think, if this was set up, let's be clear. We're going down the hoax rabbit hole. So I think that people that possibly that could have set this up, wanted him to get Will Smith arrested to make him even seem like a bigger sellout than they are. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah.

It's a win win. I mean, you take black Oscars, you'd say we'll Smith out in handcuffs, because Chris Ross snitched that I mean, that totally. You know, that's even a bigger story. And I think we'll Packer was, I'm sure he was in that room. Like please don't make any vigorous theme it is. So Good point. Good point. It is beneficial for everybody to keep this quiet. So now we have the smack. So now we gotta go. Listen to Amy Schumer. How she's was traumatized by the slapping. Did I miss anything?

There's like a different vibe in here. Amy Schumer shocked and confused like the rest of us shortly after Will Smith slapped Chris Rock during the Oscars. Now the 40 year old comedian who emceed the big night is weighing in admitting she is still triggered and traumatized by the whole thing. Just a little refresher, guys, I'm a huge Star. Look at me. I'm at the Oscars. You are can you believe it? Amy co hosted the 2022 Academy Awards

alongside Regina Hall and Wanda Sykes. And the ladies brought the funny getting to do this with Regina and Wanda. They are such heroes of mine. They are comedy royalty. We've been having so much fun. I've enjoyed every second of getting ready with these ladies. But it was this joke made by Chris Rock that had everyone talking Jada? I love you. Gi Jane too. Can't wait to see it. Alright.

Okay, so it wasn't a joke that had everyone talking. It was Jada Pinkett Smith husband Will Smith's reaction to the joke that had everyone talking. Oh, wow. Wow. Well, Swift is smack thought of it. Today, out. Well, on Tuesday, Amy weighed in on Instagram saying that her friend Chris handled it like a pro. She calls the whole thing so disturbing and writes that she's still in shock and

stunned and sad. She even specifically calls out the pain she saw in will, quote, waiting for this sickening feeling to go away from what we all witnessed. will strip the smack out of it. Just want one thing, since, you know, this is what our show is about. And it's not even because of the show at no point. When the when this happened, did I think, Wow, man. See, black guys can't keep it together? I did. I know you did. I know you did.

And that's why I'm bringing it up. I just want you to know that I do not believe that is typical nonblack thinking at that moment, maybe later, the suggestion comes from twitter or something. But it and I'm very aware of my thinking in these things. It didn't didn't cross my mind that I'm just saying that. So you know. Because I also know that that's exactly what you thought you're like, holy crap, this does not help is that there's two things one is due to what web divorced

called the double consciousness, the black people. Why don't we know how we perceive ourselves and to we know how we are perceived. And I liken that to you weren't going back just for a minute. You not wearing a mask for the first time doing Pete COVID I'm with you. I'm with you. You know how you feel. But then you could I guess, empathize or put yourself in the other person's shoes to say I know how I'm being perceived by them not wearing a mask, however, yes.

However, however, yes. If this was set up and known and publicized as the first black Oscars, like a pandemic was the first pandemic now. It's very different with masking than not masking, because it's, it's more normalized. It's also normalized to not have a mask on. So there's, there's, say, a Peak Peak COVID. That's why I made that I'm saying that. Um, okay. Specific point of PE when you first walked into a grocery store, yes. Yeah. First, that first brave moment.

Now, I know. And I know this mode, because that's, that's because I had something my exterior showed something different, such as your bear with me, your exterior shows black man, my exterior shows white men. My point is, is that these were two superstar comedians, not black men. In and I believe that to be true initially at peak Oscar Moment that most white people did not see that the way you saw it either. Now, you I'm not saying that. Yeah, no.

That's different. Because what you knew was and this I agree with you with, of course, what you knew is, this is going to have repercussions. It wasn't That's what I said specifically at that moment. I wasn't thinking that way. I don't think the majority of non black people were thinking that way. Non colored people, let's just say it. But you knew that that was going to come and and this issue would come and that would of course come from the black community itself.

But it was a weird situation, because by Amy Schumer, she didn't want to she want to be supportive for Chris Rock, but not demonizing a wheel because that's why she could feel wheels pain, like basically in for I think for women, more specifically is feminist. It was one, it was it was a awkward position to be put in to say, oh, violence is okay. And one A man should take for his woman, that kind of thing. So yeah, that's a whole other aspect to it. You're absolutely

right. I forgot about that. That was that was a huge aspect. Yes. So when I was just this, my perception of it, I knew every every angle was going to be wrapping up my first thing my firt I mean, this is my first thought I gotta get to you. Then I turned the Oscars to the Source Awards. That was my first thought because the sorcerer was was known for fighting me to the point where it was spread to other different awards. And a lot of the fights before were staged to promote people's

albums or, you know, projects or whatever else. Yeah, it wasn't like any real so that was my I thought like, oh, they didn't use this big stage to promote something now, we'll have a movie coming out. Of course, of course. What's the angle? Well, here was, here's the other thing. And I believe every man who's in a marriage or relationship did this turn to your wife or woman or birthing person and said, How would you feel if that's what

was my response to this joke? Did you ask Miss facts about that? Let's listen to Tiffany Haddish his response? And then we'll talk about another side was would you define tonight as uncomfortable? Now, define tonight is success. It was a great night tonight. Okay, what did you call I seen a man stand up for his wife, which we don't see that much anymore. That made me have hope. How about you? I want to pull about I wanted your opinion on it because

you're a comedian. And so it was that thing where like, was that joke too far? How did you feel about what we'll did? Because you are someone who's done comedy and yet like you just said, you saw a man defending his wife? Yeah. I don't know how you felt about what you want your husband to do that for you if he was clearly hurt. I mean, they put her face up on the spring. looked over at his wife. She was hurt. What would you I would want him to defend me the the thing that made me sad

was like, this was a big night for will. And then you saw that emotion for him. And it was like, Guys, just just I can't I don't think I've still processed how this night went, you know? I just know she had to take care of business when they get out. Because I know my man did ever make. Yellow. Did you talk to other than tonight? Yeah. Did you tell them how you felt? Oh, they know how often Yes. Oh, no, I haven't. That's my friends. Well, you go way back with them. To some of the

girls trip? Yes. Yeah. They know my crazy. Well, it was incredible to watch. We'll up there T one. How did you feel watching him give that speech? I felt very proud. I felt gratified. And I just hope that more men are like that. Care about their families. Now, it's not just about you, right? It's not just about you, sir. What about your family, the people you create the people that help you be who you are. That's important. That's what I think America forgot about.

Wow. Okay, so and this is right after the Oscars, this why play this is like, one of the first you know, points, like put out there. And that was a meme that was pushed, you know, man standing up for his wife, a man standing up for his wife. That's why I said, Wait, we talked about on the other side of the clip. Now? Are there certain things where I will put my hands on another person? Oh, another person? I'm not gonna be that specific. Over

my wife. Yeah, there are certain things. There are certain things that when you cross that line when you get back in the car with her, Oh, well, you know that she'll never look at you the same. So there are lines? Is this one of them? I don't just my opinion, being if they were in Hollywood, is what happens. Jokes are told. If it's solely that joke. No. But there's more to it than that joke. Yeah, of

course, there's more to it. And some of that is known. But my question was, did you discuss it with your wife? No, we actually like to say we didn't. We basically we were like, Did you see that? Yeah, that was crazy. And then more of the stage conversation, but my wife already knows. Like, there's certain yes, there's certain laws you can cross. But I'll say this, because this was this was a big component of the gender war. He was saying it not only cut across the race. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I know. That's why I'm so interested in it. Yeah. It's the gender thing to have. Should you stand up for a woman was Willis sampe. Does she deserve to be stood up for because the way she used humiliated him in public? All of those things factor into it? So here's sorry. So of course, I we had this discussion. And we

probably had it after the meme was already launched. And in my mind, already at that point, I had a question which I was going to ask you, which is, is this more of a black American thing standing up for your woman? Going to fistfight more more easily, perhaps? I don't know if that's true. But that meme definitely reached me. It's like, oh, well, you know, the black man black woman, you got to stand up for your woman. That's just that's just what I perceive. Not how I think.

Right. That mean, was that mean was pushed heavily? Yes. Yes. Yes. Early. Early. So with that in mind, Tina and I were discussing and we both agreed that Hell yeah, I should do something but it would be either in my in my moment on stage where I'd say something clever and take them down with with a swift to sharp words with the blade. It's I think that can be very effective. But I certainly would have gone up afterwards and said, What the

hell was that all about bro. And now that might come to some kind of altercation. But I'm not one for going for violence if someone does something with words and embarrassment, but I guess the point is, there was a lot more behind this and this Tiffany Haddish meme, if it truly originated from her from her own thinking or was pushed this way. That definitely skewed a lot of the conversation. And that was damaged because you're because here's the other

thing. It seemed like it caught Jada off guard. Because, and After Effects, she tried to distance herself away from the slap my audition, I really want him to do that. I'm not really going down that path with these. So I never I watched all different angles. I really look for angles of them. And I didn't see her looking something like Man, this hurts me so bad. You got to go up there and whip his ass. I didn't see it. That the time after the joke. Okay, several

scenes that were shot. And that's why there's another reason why I dread doing this this audio because you had to see it. But I'm going to try to illustrate what what was what was said. He said the Joe will last. But he kind of looked over in Jada. And then there's that what transpired between noon to and we're heading towards the stage, though several seconds has never been shown. I've looked on every platform

possible. I looked at every can't find anywhere what transpired between her and him to signal to him that he had to go from laughing. So he wasn't initially offended. No, there was something that happened between them to where he felt

like he needed to do that. Yeah, and I can't No one knows the secret six signals between two people who have been in a long term relationship, but I couldn't detect any I mean, the only the only thing that came to my mind is well, yeah, I mean, this guy is so desperate, you know, okay, from my own therapy. To me, Will has severe mother issues. She

has taken advantage of this for long time, I was in similar relationships with different aspects. And by the way, no regrets. No one's to blame. But myself, certainly I blamed myself for not figuring out my shit earlier in life. But that is it was a big component because you can have a complex issue with your mother. And we're all we all get screwed up by our parents somehow. And that can be can fit perfectly like a puzzle piece into perhaps someone who has a personality

such as Jada. And that really can just get bad over time. And I say this because it may be you have this clip later, there's a clip of her, you know, showing, you know filming will in their house or in his kitchen. He's like, hey, you know don't do this and, and she's just acting like an a hole to him. And oh, see my mom's this is exactly why will sabotage is everything. I mean, it was it was bizarre. And that, to me was like, oh my god,

this is a very dysfunctional relationship. So she may not have had to Eve it could have been just a tensing of her left bicep that could have set him off because he so desperately wants to make his mother proud and happy of him. And I don't know if you've seen the two three videos I've done on YouTube, but I did one way prior to this called a mother's will. And he talked about he's taken Ayahuasca 14 times. Oh, really? Yes. I'd like to say I didn't go. I didn't want to

rehash a lot of stuff. I know a lot of our producers listen to all the different platforms. I didn't want to rehash a bunch of stuff and I will fill it in where I've captured. You are exactly right. He does have a mother issue because he said his mother was physically abusive towards I mean, his father was physically abusive towards his mother. And he felt like he didn't want he couldn't protect her to the point he was suicidal

about it. plays into what you're, you're spot on and it's good that you haven't seen it because you're hitting you're picking up on all the sides without being this is why this show is so genius mode. This I didn't know Barack Obama Bruce Springsteen rip off crap. This is the real deal. Giving it to the Boston on both. But yeah, so he has all that going on. And let's just stop dancing around it. A lot of

people feel that he's she's his head. handler and silver wave and Nick clip that you talk about that I don't have in here because I didn't really get into their, the inner workings of a relationship too much, but I think there's an underlying theme I'm gonna get to but in that clip, he said she wanted to kind of ambush him to get some promo for this doctor. That promotes um, what's it called? Um, open marriages. Yeah, Esther, I forget her last name Esther without parole. I think

it's something like that. But anyway, he was. She was like, No, I'm not gonna don't ambush me like that. And he said something. And it was very telling to me. He said, you know, social media. Yeah. Bread and butter. Right?

Yes. And I and I was like, What? What do you mean? What this guy's one of the biggest movie stars in the business are easy to tune to doom doom. Think about it. What what movie has blockbuster has, we'll been in several videos. And today, I'll talk about recently. See, and this is this thing. I mean, this is where, like, it's so many things that I struggle with making the show. It was like, because there's the theme of when a man is old or too old. He's not a young man anymore. So

you can't play the young man roles. And he's not. Oh, Morgan Freeman. Yet? They play the old magical Negro rows? Which No, seriously? No, that's not a joke. But that's the archetype that the older guys to play. And he doesn't. He doesn't have a footing in Hollywood because he's not the young Independence Day. Okay, actor. So, of course, what was the most recent So King Richard was, of course, this was this was the big it wasn't a blockbuster, as far as I

know. No, no, but he was handpicked for this role. By Serena and Venus. Yeah. Before before that it was I guess, men and black right. That was the last the last big series dried up. He's dried up. Well, of course, you've had three. So that's done. Okay. So he's been in basically in a 10 year low. Does that make sense? If we just

Yeah. And I'm not to not Will Smith. What I'm saying is, it's Hollywood that somebody says that, you know, social media is my bread and butter that was saying, what I heard there was, I'm not giving away promotion for free to her. This is how I make my money now because I'm Hollywood checks. I'm not rolling in anymore. But how does he make his money with social media? Because I see his social media. It's It's funny, you know, his Instagrams are cute, and he's ripping off his family

ads. Maybe Instagram pays him to place ads on his chair. I mean, I don't know how that can be monetized on Instagram. I gotta tell you, if he's worried, he can only be worried about having work. Because when he says bread and butter that insinuates that it's a financial thing. That's hard for me to imagine. Is it? Like you're making it? Well, there's another click, like if you put me in a bad spot, because now I gotta tell you about another clip. Okay, there's another clip where he

comes home. And basically, Jada shoots the red tabletops in their house. Yeah. So their house is basically production stage. Now, another thing like she might be, you know, bringing in a significant amount of income to prepare. This is all speculation we don't know we're not accountants. But when he said bread and butter that was like, that was a, that was the most everything else that relationship. I would like bread

and butter. Excuse me. Yeah. Bread and butter, like a net goes to show you while she has to kind of, for lack of a better word, pimp out the family on the red tabletop. She has to keep even him she brought him up in here embarrassed him about being a cuckold. Let me tell you one other personal story. And I understand

part of this as well. When so I had I had a big business problem in the Netherlands around 2000, round 99 2000, partner of mine turned out to be a crook. And I knew him he was a friend for for seven years, he had assumed identity, all kinds of crap. And when everything started to fall apart, there was we had businesses together, investments together, all of that got locked up by the law. So I in essence, had no money. I couldn't I could not access my money. kind of irritating. And you know,

because it was just court cases. And it all got solved later. And I was of course exonerated, but you know, the pain and the end and just the embarrassment and all the stuff that's going on. And in order to make money for my family, guess what I did? It's a joke. Joke. wife no clothes? No. I started the Addams Family reality show. And I sold it to a TV broadcaster. All the things you thought it wasn't that was it. Okay. And that got us through and I sat down with my daughter, my wife,

I said, Look, here's how we're going to do it. We can do this. You know, we are we are exceptional at this kind of stuff, because of course, it's anything but true reality. It's really Yes. But we have our filters. We know how to do this. Since we've been around media so much, but it was 100% not because I wanted to show my family because I had I was out of options. So we made a reality show. So this fits into your theory that this red table, it's based if especially if it's in

your house that your reality show and that's that's the way I've seen that thing. And that's what they're doing. So that does add credence to the theory that they are doing this to make money she's doing that will does his thing. It is kind of sad if you know because he had to have had some good deals in there certainly on even on residuals. So once again, but if you're spinning, yeah, you have a few dry years. If you don't change your lifestyle, well, it just

speeds up the process. And that's the thing like they can't afford their black royalty. They're black blue, they roll see. Right You can't afford you can't go backwards. You can't be caught flying coach. You can't be caught flying first class you should be flying you gotta be flying private. Otherwise you're not royalty. It's totally true. Totally part of the deal. And to give you another scenario before so we can get jump back into the clips. You remember Megan Markel, and speaking of

another COC? Harry Yeah, they went to the Netflix deal. They had no but they had to go live in Tyler Perry's home and raise cash but cash flow is different from wealth. Yeah, we don't have that liquid. Yeah, it's like we can't go live. We can't go live in a you know, a single family home. You know, we have we have errands to keep up. And I'm just stressing that point. Because that bread and butter. I was gonna put it in here, but it didn't kind of fit because I'm going somewhere else with it.

But I'm glad you brought it up. I appreciate that. All right. Bread and butter thing was like, Oh, yeah. So now to reward me You're gonna make me play clip by Touray I mean, this is not a reward. Jason Jack's Yeah. hurtin me. Now this is definitely Trouble. Trouble, but they're gonna unpack toxic Max masculinity. I can't say that I would have done something different. You

can make jokes about me all day long. And I'm gonna take it because Regina Hall earlier in the show made a joke about y'all gotta open marriage. Well, why don't you come up here and let's talk about that. That's about will. Right? Like you could joke about me, but a joke about my wife and her body. My mama, my kids. Now you've gone too far, Mama.

I can't, I can't roll with that. And I noticed too. Chris Rock of all people made a documentary called good hair, which was extraordinary, which he made because of his daughter's feelings about their hair as they were coming into being teenagers. So he's intimately aware of black women's hair issues. And even still, he thought it was okay to make fun of a black woman not having hair in front of the entire world. I don't think that it matters that rock didn't know she has

alopecia. A joke that is specifically based on a woman's physical specific woman's physical appearance is probably wrong is dangerous is probably going to rub people the wrong way and yours in the room. That room was definitely not like a good joke, but room was like, Whoa, that joke was not cool. I don't I disagree. Yeah, man. You know, that's what that room was saying. Like. But that was my initial reaction. Because you know,

because of of our work together. That's why I said all men, you've just touched the third rail I've played that's interesting. One other question for you. Now this this doesn't

work. I'm only talking about men to men, white men to white when men in certainly in certain states, New Jersey is where I spent the most time but I see it here in Texas too. You know, we all have some physical or we all have something messed up, right? And so maybe someone's got a limp. Someone's got a hump someone's got tics, you know, but we call each other usually by our nicknames, which are really cruel. Like hey, ripple Bay Baldy, you know, and and we're cool with it.

Is this the same with black men? Nicknames or not? You can't sell nickname yourself or very rarely Can you not self nickname but if someone comes up and says hey cripple Hey shorty Hey baldy, whatever then that's cool, right? That's the point I'm getting to is your nickname like you got a Bucky? They're saying oh you're saying like a lot of common when

it's like dark skinned a common black smoke right? Like skin is raid you're saying you got different names like a bit like great point have to do for Friday tiny I think in less than less than Yeah, debo do we already know what real debo don't know the real name any tiny or you call a little guy big man. He was saying like that kind of thing. So because they all come in but it has to be right but so gi Jane. I mean, it starts somewhere, right?

Someone says hey, man, I'm gonna call you read and call you smoke. I'm gonna call you gi J Now gossamer sage. Maybe not most appropriate place. I'm just thinking. It's like, everyone knows each other. I mean, gi Jane. It's also kind of me personally. I've been called a lot of things from my hair. I'm not a black woman. But I play one on the radio sometimes. I was thinking, like, that's not even negative. Demi Moore was hot in that. You said? Oh, cuz it's no. It doesn't matter. You can't say

anything about the third rail. Yeah, he's yours.

Yeah, I know. I know. I got you. I got you. You learned our rail of all third rail like that will be Cockerham one at a time it was saying we were knocking him down. But like, like, even he made the movie about the hair movie. But now we have to go back to it wasn't about the joke, because we laughed about it. Yeah, it wasn't how the jokes received. Now going back to his Ayahuasca use. He said he met a woman

their name mother goddess, or mother. And she like gives them comfort, whatever. So that goes into the mother issues. Now on the alopecia side of it. I watch several videos of doctors of doctors with alopecia themselves say they don't think ah. Jada has alopecia because you shouldn't have follicles live right. Now what she does have is a large scar in the top of her head. Some people say it as due to surgery, facelift that kind of thing as the kitty were they big enough or floppy?

Let me say let me say one other thing. When it comes to ayahuasca, I have not done Ayahuasca I have done DMT twice.

Which to me is it's the Iosco without the puking for 24 hours. Okay, and but it's the what you're doing. I mean, because with Ayahuasca you're you're gorging yourself and so you're you're that's how you purge. But the DMT itself, this is very suspicious that he met had the this is not DMT is well documented, really well documented. pixies things coming to life. Yeah. Some mother figure what what do you call it?

Mother Goddess, Mother Goddess. It's a you won't look it up New York Post article are saying we can talk about on the other side of the clip. But it says Will Smith takes Ayahuasca 14 times. Now like I said, I did this show two months prior to the slap because when I heard that, and this was during the rollout of his book, we'll they were stressing the drama. He was having weight gain problems. 20 pounds overweight, which made

him depressed. He was going through the whole thing of him being basically publicly cut hold by a younger man is why bring him on read table talk to him. And that was the if you do

what you do, and they're cool with it, I'm cool with it. But the way she brought him up there, it was like, well, we got to do the special Facebook has big numbers on the table, you know, saying like that's how I looked at it like cuz you're not gonna take me on the read table talk in the way she was smiling about August Alsina, where he made her feel and that was her son's friend. Like I said with pop shows I could have made on news. Just to let you know, Tiffany Haddish and Chris Rock

does eyewash CA I don't use the Cha Cha. I don't care ca the CA so they take this stuff out. Dave Chappelle is farm because like you said it's so many rabbit holes like Is this the new LSD? Wait a minute MK Ultra? Well got what we want now today? Oh yeah, okay, no, I like going there. But this is good because I have some experience in this area. I believe that I've only done DMT twice. And oh, this is very interesting because I've been

I've been reading a lot about how smell influences people. And can can be an instant can take you somewhere in an instant. If you close your eyes you think, remember what's fresh grass smells like boom, yourself. You immediately have that picture somewhere. you're smelling the fresh grass. Play a football DMT Yeah, well, there you go. DMT that's an interesting one my like that. I'm not because I've never done Ayahuasca. So DMT you

smoke and that smell? I guarantee you if I smell that anywhere, I can be transported right back to where I was when I did DMT if I did DMT a lot. I think it would possibly bring back a anything that I had experienced during that I've never had a bad DMT D trip. They're not they're not so they're not very typical. DMT This is so good. DMT is one of the most because you know when you die, you actually create DMT your your body creates it. It's part of how you're passing

process. So this has been studied a lot. And it would not surprise me if you can put suggestive things into someone's brain and trigger them with a DMT recall. I'm just using a term. Yeah, yeah, no, I hate this again. This is why we're friends. We would do this shit. Even if we weren't doing the show. We talk about this. Yeah, absolutely. Because it's like all these people with the same play all of a sudden have debt so they're doing this a Dave Chappelle is ranch man.

Kidding me? Oh, man, cuz when we got to get through the show, but women Tiffany Haddish che all hair off. When on La show was like, Nah, she was taking shrooms and drinking. He was saying they call it the mushroom tea. Yeah, he was saying, I don't know if it's Coworth Ayahuasca or what? But you know, yeah, probably. Yeah. So they were out there they initially come back shaking their head or Britney steer spirits down by himself. Allow

them on camera. So wish that we could have went down to alopecia and there was a rabbit hole or what's going on here? Do we have to do them a latte from Black Panther was all these black ball people popping up all over the place? But yeah, so it's so many. But we talked about black toxic masculinity. I had to

bring Mr. Samuels in. And I gotta say this is the first clip I've ever played of his on our show. And but I've talked about sign language from him. You're saying his impact. But we talked about Black Twitter last time. The black quote unquote manosphere is the place where you get exiled to from Black

Twitter. Right because like even thinking like the more you know, conservative thinking, independent non democratic thinking of masculine sinner, you know, it was kind of like, I won't want to put MIG tau on it. But it was like the red pill kind of ideology. It was the outcast like you. This is so this is the king Kevin Samuels, and he talks about the Will Smith slap. You got black women and black men co signing this black man I want you to be clear. If you are running out defending this

bullshit, you need your head checked. pounding your chest jumping out the window defending this Captain save them kind of stuff. Ain't gonna get you any brownie points. What the fuck are we doing there? I am tired of no matter where a man black man gets to. We got to assert ourselves physically of fucking. I reject that is our only way to affirm ourselves. I'm tired of

that shit with black men for black men. No matter how you get you know you can have a CEO you can have Reginald Lewis you can have Robert Smith and Byron Allen and Daymond John and J Prince and masterpiece yell expected these dudes get into a disagreement that day supposed to shoot affair where they're supposed to fight in a bucket out no black men are not primitive. This is not 2001 A Space Odyssey we have other ways of expressing our discontent and displeasure with one another

other than fighting. angry and even my news supports this shit and says you for black men. And for black men's betterman Evolution improvement, black male media black male image and you support this question your support? Well, guys, clearly toxic male. Exactly. That's why I always stress black you to, quote unquote, is a far better spectrum of black thought compared to Black Twitter. Because you get it you're saying

you get a wide variety of in between the two poles. Whereas Black Twitter, the algorithm is so good constrained to crosstraining that you only get the woke ideology. So I wanted to bring that in. Now what Kevin Sam just said, I agree with a lot of it. Because it's like this while saying about oh, no, that's what we'll pack. We're saying, Oh, no, we've we're trying to reimage ourselves and not like not that it's needed. But what the mass media does is take a very small minority, and

make it the problem. I'll show this politically. Every time you hear a politician talk, it's like, we got to do something about crime. And you're saying reform and this kind of thing.

Like, when you look at how many criminals actually is compared to how many dudes is doing good. It's very, you're saying is huge disparity there. But the way the memes are written, is to make sure we stay on the bottom. And I think this was, in my opinion, when I first heard this happened. I think this was if it was staged, it was staged and put us back on the bottom. And in a subservient, sacrificial mode that they want. They capitalization wants to keep us in.

Well, they in this case, were the female producers of the show. I'm just saying. I mean, it was a lot it was a lot of pre K and even down to Pfizer alopecia drugs. Yeah, they ran with the whole alopecia thing they ran with the whole defending his honor her honor. This is what we're supposed to do. And the thing was, this is two of the most, quote unquote non violent or nonviolent seeming black men in America. Yeah, they do this.

That's, that's why I think it was a if it was staged, that was the purpose of it to maybe on a surface level to get ratings, but no. So to condemn the image of the black man. So and I'm just I may be jumping ahead, tell me if I need the goggles. I'll tell you if you need to go. So we're already figuring out that Will Smith possibly had multiple reasons he felt he had to do this. One of them being

finance. How about rock? He seems to be doing okay. I don't think Chris Rock was in on it. That's that's the thing was when we say staged you can have something that's pre planned. Like I know he's gonna say something you know, to Jada or whatever else. I don't think we'll smear Chris Rock. sat in a room was like a this is the plan. You know, that kind of

thing. It was. I think Chris thought we was gonna come up do something funny maybe grandma Hagen Negi using that kind of thing and like that so it was like I'm gonna go along with her saying he's a profession Did you notice how when he got slapped that he his hand never had that automatic to the face thing?

He's actually put his hand out at bat if I remember Korea I mean if someone hits you in the face I think you're first just I mean human responses to put a hand up to it you know like oh shit and that didn't happen that way maybe he didn't hit his face or like to say you sound like he he said hit the microphone so maybe we'll sold it like all kinds of smack him I'm not hit the mic get a good sound out of it

because that sound was very crucial to it as well. You know, saying they kept playing in the ads may not ask him in the in the clips. So yeah, it's just not right. That's my thing is just that I think that they um, if staged it wasn't for wheels benefit. It wasn't for Chris Ross benefit. And I don't think both of them were in on it. I think he could appear that way. Because Chris is a trained actor. He knows like okay, you approached me? We're gonna do something physical. You know,

that kind of thing. Even we'll kind of smile when he walked off. Yeah, it wasn't anger. Well, no, no, no. What I saw I saw Will Smith playing a role walking back. It was you know that swagger that's bad boys. That's Men in Black. That's Wilson Will Smith the actor swagger that's not Will Smith the person right and this we talking about suggestive? I do because ANNA King Richard was known for being you know, protective over Venus and Serena. Oh yeah, he'd

be in the method acting role. 100% King Richard 100% You bet. Okay, so we agreed on that. All right, so you still with me? So now we got to get into the drama behind we'll Jada and Chris

Yeah, yeah, down to the timeline leading up to the Oscar slap. Will and Chris go way back and first work together nearly 30 years ago. You had some men's is Big Willie. Night 1995 Chris was a guest star on the Fresh Prince playing wills blind date Jasmine. Mood beaches. In 1999 Kristen will reunited the premiere of The Matrix live action can you fight the fight in the movies? Very well. Out here in the street? No. Who could kick who's back? Everybody thinks he's Apple pods do not get it twisted.

To make sure my honey is taken care of. Six years later in 2005, Jada and Chris were the ones cast together in Madagascar. Let's not talk about that. Okay, Chris. All right now. The two appeared to be on good terms while doing press and even presented will with a Kids Choice Award. Huh? Have you ever seen that episode or Will Smith with Chris Rock? No, I have not. Okay, in it. I'm gonna give you the

imagery. Chris Rock plays two roles. He plays kind of himself and a cameo his guys named Marie something. And he's wills cousin Hillary is is the daytime talk show host I believe and she wants to interview him and impress him. And the deal was weird wants to work for Hillary and doing so he agrees to take out Chris Roberts characters cousin Jasmine, who is Chris Rock in drag. The ultimate for a black man. The black man but it goes further. Are you talking about

MK Ultra? blonde wig ruby red lipstick like Ella Monroe and leopard skin dress? I kid you 90s So I was like that's very interesting on the on the MK yes yeah on the okay orchard. And then them they are past history between Jane and Chris we don't know what transpired on the set of Madagascar with them to working together so there there's a lot of a lot of drama there but I think we stopped it let's go ahead and go and listen to Chris Rock going on a date with

promise me you'll be on your best behavior tonight. Hey aren't always well I'm serious it's really important that Maurice appear on my show everything has to go smoothly with the sister tonight really all kidding aside he'll I know how much this means to you and it means a lot to me too. I'm not gonna let you down Thank you may I present Miss Jasmine Perry you had some men's is Big Willie I'm ready to get my free call.

Like you already got it listen, you wouldn't want to go someplace you notice a little quieter you may be darker me Big Willie but I'm game let's do this you know what I think fitness this place will be just fine freak out so that's that's them Aaron together and then history goes back further than that because Chris Rock present it

Will Smith with his first Grammy. So like they know each other this is not just some random occurs between the two so now we now we can get back to more of the behind the wheel Jada and Chris nothing. Then came 2016 When then host Chris cure Jada for boycotting

the Oscars. Jana says she's not coming protests. is also not fed at will was paying 20 million for Wild Wild West. We got to keep in and throughout it all Will and Jada always had each other's backs data and I have you know we weathered some storms. We have found so much Venus and our union. And a way that's very different than most no doubt their 24 year marriage is unconventional Jada calls will her life partner, not husband. They have also faced rumors of having an open marriage

and you're getting divorced again. Am I? And I don't have a ring on. Oh, it must be true. Basically like, oh, he has an open relationship. That's not exactly the pack that we have made to one and other is that I will deliver myself to her happy and she will deliver herself to me happy. Yeah, yeah. These kinds of deals don't work out. Now, cuz cuz Am I gonna make you want to smell like you can't

make or smell and then you gonna be frowning? So I mean, there's nothing this will happen with the whole August Austin thing, but I don't want to go down that road too far. I want to talk more about that what was said at the Oscars. 2016. Just to foreshadow a little bit that was the Oscar so white. Yes. Yeah, hashtag Yep. Yes. That put with Chris in an awkward position for Jay to say and we'll and hashtag to say we're boycotting the Oscars. Because it was like Chris, you're not gonna boycott

winners. So now it makes him look like a sellout. I think he felt some kind of way like, Hey, this is my big break. A big chance. I mean, like, what did it mean to host the Oscars is a big deal on your on your resume. Were like a checklist probably for comedians, you know? Yes. It's yeah. So he's like, why you're gonna do and without hosting like came their way to next year. So now let's go back to him calling the cops. If he

calls the cops after doing this. It really makes them look like the sell out. Yeah, that wasn't I was a non starting option for him.

He could not. Will Smith. Take him out on cuffs? Because? Chris Rob Porter, Takashi 690. No, that can that can not happen. So. Hold on. Yeah, Takashi six, nine. Yeah, that's the rainbow Head Kid, the rat or snitch on all the rappers in New York? Oh, you can't get if you didn't, that you just uh, Matt, this would have been 10 times bigger story, if that happened. And I'm sure the people that wargame this. Like, when if we'll get arrested? That's even better,

like, yes, then. So that's why that Chris was totally dismissive of the idea because he knew how it would be played. So I think it's well played by him staying quiet and let the media talk for him and let the public talk for him. So let's go ahead and I have the clip with Jada comes out. And she speaks on the Oscars so white. I think she was employed to do it. But we'll get there later on with this hashtag that was going around. But this is her. Speaking on the 2016 Oscars.

Today is Martin Luther King's birthday. Aston Martin Luther King, remember that trigger? Like that's that setup? Setup. Boom, right there. All right. Today is Martin Luther King's birthday. And I can't help but ask the question. Is it time that people of color, recognize how much power influence that we have amassed that we no longer

need to ask to be invited? Anywhere? I asked the question Have we now come to a new time in place where we recognize that we can no longer beg for the love, acknowledgement or respect of any sender, maybe it's time that we recognize that if we love and respect and acknowledge ourselves in the way in which we are asking others to do that that is the place of true power. I'm simply asking the question. Here's what I believe. The Academy has the right to acknowledge whomever they choose

to invite whoever they choose. And now I think that is our responsibility now to make the change. Okay, so people say she did this because we didn't get nominated for his role. I think it concussion I think it was called the move the NFL move. Yeah, so about CTE. Yeah. So that's why

they say she did this. But as we talked about before, the same people they asked her so why April rain and we're gonna get to her momentarily. Yes. Rain yes use the same one behind, she will rise. The hashtag Sandpiper laws. Well this is her actual job. She has her job as a media strategist. This is what she does. We're living. She's She's a mean Master is where she, I mean, it has I mean, that's what it's all about. And these people have a

lot of influence. I have to ask the question, did she get Jada where she co opted into it? But hey, we need a face for this. Um, Jada? Can you go out and push this? Because, as we're gonna hear a little bit later, I don't think we'll was fully on board with her tactics. It's the House Divided over and yeah, they're not gonna say the same page and a lot of things. Oh, no, no. All right, part two of this. Yes, please. Maybe it is time that we pull back our resources. And we put

them back into our communities into our programs. And we make programs for ourselves that acknowledge us in ways that we see fit, that are just as good as the so called mainstream ones. Here's what I do. Begging for acknowledgement, or even asking, diminishes dignity and diminishes power. And we are a dignified people. And we are powerful. And let's not forget it. So let's let the academy do them. With all grace and love. And less do us differently. I got nothing below. A Chris. I

will not be at the Academy Awards. And I won't be watching. But I can't think of a better man to do the job at hand this year than you my friend. Good luck to the rest of you. Always. That was shade at the end. Yeah, that's a phrase that again, she didn't say oh, you know, you deserve this. You earned it not understanding. See, there's no she said I don't think there's a better man for the job. Right? That can be taken her that is not like as a compliment.

Like you are you're hanging out your Oreo cookie. That death. And can we hear that one more time? You bet. He goes on to say, and then the love to everyone else. Like no love for you, Chris. I mean this. Maybe I'm reaching. I'm reaching. Listen again. Hey, Chris, I will not be at the Academy Awards. And I won't be watching. But I can't think of a better man to do the job at hand this year to you my friend. Good luck to the rest of you. Always.

Yeah, no, I think it could be interpreted multiple ways and that's why it was constructed that way. That's how I heard it because there's no better man to do the job at hand. And they you just went on for three minutes talking about how the Oscars so white. That and I'm just telling you maybe I'm just I'm reaching but I don't think so. And I think that's why Chris came out was like you weren't invited anyway. You're not even in movies. Like because that's that's the shade like yes, absolutely.

Hint. I can see her in limbo. All right. No, I swear. This is Jamie. I swear if Chris Rock saying anything about me. Yeah, that's it. That's it anything? Yeah. And he met while he went off? Like, oh, yeah, gi Jane. But did that set will off? I don't know. But it's clear from these next clips. Wasn't really on board with what Jada was doing. But he had to go and put out the Firestorm. Let's get right out to Robin. She's got that exclusive interview with Will Smith in LA Robin.

All right, George and all Will Smith, one of the actors who many feel should have been nominated for his performance in concussion. Yeah, he hoped to receive a nomination. Many actors hoped to hear their name called nomination morning but well, Smith says he's even more concerned about what he sees as a serious issue that goes far beyond the film industry. Is Hollywood like you expected it to be and you dreamed of it. As

a kid, the beauty of Hollywood and combined with American ideals is The the ultimate dreams for humanity, the basis of the American concept of anything is possible with with hard work and dedication. And no matter your race or your religion, creed, none of that matters in America the way you describe it. And for everyone. Dream Course. I hate hate to do this. But do you hear how weird is talking? Does this sound like the wheel that we No, no, not at all, at all.

It. I only say this just to point out, out of all these clips we're gonna listen to he sounds different in every one. I don't know if this is the roles he's playing seeping into what but listen to the way he articulates his words. It's very strange work and dedication. And no matter your race or your religion, creed, none of that matters in America, the way you describe it. And for everyone, their American Dream is different. It's not all the same. And they want to see that

reflected in film. And I think that is part of the conversation that's going on right now. And people raising their hand and saying, Hey, I'm not seeing myself being recognized by the Academy. And that's what got the ball rolling for the 2/94 Academy. This is where we're at now, this started in 2016. And yeah, you guys. Well, no, I'm jumping ahead. I'm looking at April rain, and I know what's coming. So I'm just looking at some players trying to find you know, curry curry cash check is not

very easy. So I'm just getting ready for you. And we might not even like say it might not be about money at this point. It's about clout. And you know who, if you look at it. Well, let's, let's continue on. But as you seen, the 94 Academy Awards was a perfect example of black people opening the door holding the door for everybody else to get it going. And that's why I pointed out Amy Schumer. That's why we have all these Damn, that's why we have all these damn Korean movies winning Mo.

Door and it's like Amy comes in. She's like, What about Linko what is nice Alinsky. litski. Yeah, that got to ski. And the Ukrainians while we're here, black people, yes. Talking about now. It's like, I thought this was the black Oscars. And they you looking it's like two and a half women as the host. So you know, saying they got Wanda Sykes, you're saying representing the gays. You're saying not saying that? Gay?

Black, you know that, oh, we gotta get her out. And we got to have a feminist rep as our representative or Amy Schumer. You know, that kind of thing. He was like, hold on. We can't get a black man. What are you got? we'll pack up behind the scenes Shut up. You're saying like you got you got Denzel hanging out in the front. Isn't that enough for you?

Yeah, and then Tyler Perry was there so it was like okay, we'll get we'll award you know, um, and I'm sure they put the Define I'm doing a lot of speculating here but I'm sure they picked up the blue light phone like hey, Serena you know that movie about your dad? Yes. The 94 might be a great year to drop it you know saying we it's the blessed the black Oscars we ain't baby USA and then she gets wheeled to do it and all this is not happening

and and in in silos. This is a lot of phone calls. And yeah, yeah, we got we secured a bag for your sand for 94. But it started started rolling here with April rain and you know what? I'm so giddy. Let's just go ahead and jump straight to 17

We brought her up so much. Okay, thank you. You're throwing a party and you want everybody to come. Equity is ensuring that there are different price points. Diversity is inviting everybody. Inclusion is actually asking people to dance once they're at the party. I'm April rent. And this is a word why diversity is not enough. One fateful morning on January 2015, I was watching the Oscar nominations on TV category after category Best Actor, Best

Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Supporting Actress. There were no people of color nominated in 2015 and this was the year that gave us Selma. I took to Twitter and I said one thing Oscar so white they asked to touch my hair. Initially

stuff It was kinda remind people Salma was produced on directed by Auntie duminy. Okay, so I'm just saying that was a slap in the face. Like it's not someone not even nominated. It do Renee who is Oprah's pupil? Oh, I want to just put that out here we're gonna go back to wielding a firestorm but I thought Yes, flagship clips you know so I like we continue on I took to Twitter and I said one thing Oscar so white they asked to touch my hair. Initially it was just as snarky and as sarcastic

as I meant it to be. And so that's what we were seeing with all of the responses, you know Oscar so white, they wear Birkenstocks in the wintertime, Oscar still like they have a perfect credit score, right? It wasn't until a couple of days later, when I realized that people were still having this conversation and that we needed to talk about the distinctions between diversity and inclusion, and equity and representation. And in fact that this was bigger than just the academy, just the

Oscars, just the movie industry. So I created Oscar. So why in January 2015, in 2016, the nominations came out. And again, there were no people of color in any of the enacting categories. One time is a fluke. Two times is a pattern, and I think it was in 2016 when OscarsSoWhite truly took off, because people realize, oh, okay, there is actually something here and it was in 2016 that the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences, they made substantive changes.

Yes, that was 16. What happened in 2010? GE was there was there a presidential election or something? Was there something that could have added to this 45 Savage, he created a whole history of diversity, inclusion and equity as I call it, DIA. I know as Dr. But I like the other way better. Yeah. Um, yeah. So he created Oh, like you heard her say, this is bigger than the Oscars. This was a huge windfall of cash. corporate cash. Yes. Yes. And let me tell you, Okay, so there you go. That's

where I wanted you to get to corporate cash. So April rain was reached, after she created the Oscar so white, according to the Wikipedia page, Cheryl Boone Isaacs, a woman of color, who was the president of the Academy, but what can we just say collared woman, I never know what to say anymore. She reached out at first released a statement and reached out to lungs to the timelines a little weird with what she said that the Academy would quote, take dramatic steps to alter the

makeup of our membership. And as a result, the academy voted unanimously on January 21 2016, to make a variety of changes to his membership and governance policies with the goal of doubling the number of women and underrepresented groups by 2020 Hello there's nothing to do with white has nothing to do with black Well, that's my point is like Oscars so white Well, this is not this is this

is a Yeah, okay. We're saying the same thing. Not a single thing about black but but Oh, but then as the hashtag was created April rain catches some fire. And she gets outreach according to her work EPDM I can actually read it to you. She says that overture global reached out to her and said, Hey, let's make a content deal. Now overture global, I really have no idea what they are. Because there's a lot of impressive people on the board. Like, you know, from the from

business and from politics. They are not a nonprofit, or at least they don't have any information about it. But if we look at about overture global, I'll just read it to you. Over to global is a media platform and thought leadership community built to inspire those working across boundaries, industries, disciplines and generations. overture focuses on the intersection of innovation and our culture of change, by curating conversations for young digital connected audience via

content, online, print, video and live events. And perhaps this is where the money comes from its members and sponsors include Facebook, Google, Spotify, the World Bank, the Nature Conservancy, International Rescue Committee, US State Department, the British state department, and Johnson and Johnson. So You're right. big money, big money went into this. Because these huge corporations, as you always talk about, I call

it the corporate credit credit score. But they saw the handwriting on the wall and like we got to write a check to somebody gotta get Yep. And that this was it, this was a check. It doesn't matter to who we got, I've solved it now. And I'm free to speak of it. I saw in my former Corporation I worked for you saw all of these, quote unquote, black women being brought into HR as the di e specialists, and they created these new executive

roles, and may and it was so disgusting. Because what people don't know how the sausage is made out was in these rooms. They will basically have black people come out there and tell how they were being how they experienced racism. And I was like a very sadomasochists kind of, like women. Yeah. So there's a room with all with all kinds of employees. Yes. Except then you had to bring out the the ones, the non

whites. Let's just put it that way. He does stand up and say, here's how I experienced racism in the workplace. Yes. And then they had different groups. Because every employee had to go to one group, they had the elderly, they had to disable, they had the LGBTQ, they had the and then they had the black. And the funny thing was, last time I checked, I thought Indians and Asians were minorities, too, but they didn't

have no empowerment group. So I'm like, well, well, well, well, well, you've been listening with the disabled folks. You're saying the older feeble, not no disrespect, I'm just saying like, and manette where have you stood up there? And you had to say, and I will listen, this was doing COVID So I mean, I was in the zoom. I mean, it was zoom rooms. Nalanda and I never had my camera on at work either. So don't feel even

at work. I didn't have no camera. Oh, my man. No, no camera, no open account, but it was like I will listen, like people will come up here like, it's very like I said, this. I don't know I asked was sadomasochists vibe of Oh, and people that Oh, you're so strong. And I'm like, Are you kidding me? Like I would no way in the world I would get out here in front of a bunch of people and like, want to be accepted her words be asked to dance. That's the thing like No,

tell us your oven. That's what they brought in with them. What I noticed is a long Shaggy, shaggy dog story but the funny thing was like every month they were like oh we're gonna do this for this group the black doll you know black history month and then when he got the other groups is like oh yeah, we're

donating money to this gold is fine or whatever. And I'm like hold on the black people they get nothing like we got what like a special notch Oscar so Oscar so white went to women and other minorities is fantastic. Look at look at the representation that was from the host. That was Who did you have you had the black woman you had older gay black woman, Rhonda sites and feminism necessarily das das who was not

there. And you heard of all over who was really making demands we need you're saying we need Ukraine to be represent Ukraine, the Nazis? I mean, black Oscars? Oh, what are we doing with that? But that's that's the way it went. Um, but let's see, I think we stopped that. Let's get back to miss April rang part two. In 2016. The Academy committed to doubling the number of people

of color and doubling the number of women within its ranks by 2020. Opening up its ranks to people like Julie dash, who is a phenomenal filmmaker like Melvin van Peebles, who was the godfather of Blaxploitation films, neither. I just gotta warn people, we talked about Blaxploitation films or riding in the theaters. And Melvin van Peebles is like 127 years old. Yeah, I mean, so when no disrespect but when he dies pleasing gonna get his spot like Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Let's

put the old black guy in there for representation. But we know it wasn't like he gonna be around here long and then we'll just replace them. Yep. Yeah, I'm just wondering. This is this is this is this. I had not expected. Not expected this. This is deep. This is good. This is you know what? The entire world was distracted and obsessed with this for a full week at minimum. Two weeks, and of course, there's still a long

tail of it. No One has broached any of this, this these angles of what happened here, not a single person, not a single show, not a single network, nobody. This is I just wanted to point that out and congratulate you on this fantastic work.

I appreciate that. Okay, we continue, and Peebles who was the godfather of Blaxploitation films, neither of whom had been in the academy before makes a difference, because that means they're going to be viewing films through their lens through the lens of a marginalized person, there is really not an industry in the United States that is not affected by the lack of inclusion of marginalized

communities. So while I didn't have a goal, initially, it became really clear to me that we needed to continue these conversations in every single field, not just an entertainment. And so I'm attempting to take that on and continue discussing issues of diversity and inclusion, and equity and representation. Both the terms diversity and inclusion are overused, it's sort of a catch all. And people

really don't think about what the distinctions are. So when we see that particular corporations or organizations have diversity initiatives, what does that mean? Truly, they're going to put more people of color in their ads or in their magazines, or, you know, shilling their product. And yet, when you look at their boardrooms, when you look at the C suite, when you look at the higher level employees within the organization, they look incredibly homogenous. When

someone says oh, yeah, we're very diverse. You know, we've been very intentional about what we're doing. Ask the question, you know, what is the percentage of people of color what is the percentage of disabled folks? Alright, Stop, just stop, stop. I need to give you some more information on April rain. So April rains started a new studio

with this global outfit. And what they started is ensemble studio. The F, an ensemble studio, it's all in the show notes. Ensemble studio, what is ensemble studio? Well, first of all, ensemble studio, creates opportunities from challenges, helps brands evolve and reach new audiences and tries to make a positive difference to the world. We take our client's creativity to new heights and enable each one to speak with the voice that's truly uniquely theirs. So she went on to create

content. And this Ensemble Studios while on the website is part of FleishmanHillard a huge advertising company. So it's a subsidiary of and they I'm reading right here, international agency 2320 specialists across 48 offices, 31 countries 20 languages. 11 timezones, firm services include corporate and financial PR employment engagement, crisis and issues management, domestic and international affairs media

relations, opinion research analytics. FleishmanHillard equips ensemble studio with insight and knowledge that informs and drives every piece of work blah, blah, blah. Okay, so now so the FleishmanHillard now we go back to that's who we are on their website. What do we do? Well, our approach is built on collaboration expert insight. Ensemble studio brings creativity to brand and corporate communications. Nicely done April rain. What are some of your clients showcasing

clients? Let's see. The future starts today. 5g AT and T bear. Johnson and Johnson Virgin Money, financial fraud action UK Thyssen Krupp coffee people. I mean, this oh they went from oh my god, Barclays, Santander, Olympus, Philips, Novartis, these are the people who create native ads, Twitter, Black Twitter campaigns, anything to push products, agendas DLM ESG di e element Opie, this is evil shit. These are propaganda Skora or you always talk about Jamie. That's right. That's

right. This is the ES I'm so April rain is no friend to black Americans. She's a corporate horror. I went to one of these trainings, sees a lot of stuff I can't talk about before. McKinsey had one called the Black Leadership Academy experience. Experience. Oh, yeah. And the thing was, was, it was so it was so artificial. A lot of people I know didn't want to partake in it. That HR I was content and black people. That's how I got in. Or you're black. How would you like the black leadership?

Excuse me, Mr. Mo, we have it on good authority. You're a black employee. Is this correct? That is correct. We need to put you in the leadership group experience, Mr. Black employee, the day, the day, the cut off, they were contacted people, how would you join? How would you like to join? I'm like, this would be great for content. Good, man. Good, man. So I signed up for it. But I don't understand how giving me more work. Yeah, it's helping me do my job better. I don't

understand. But this they had to get the J nation ESG score, they need ESG score up because it's, this is what's so interesting. You know, Elon Musk is normalizing ESG. He's normalizing it by saying, oh, boohoo, I create all these great cars. But I get kicked out of the s&p 500 ESG list because no racism in the workplace. So we're not even asking about the fact that there's a crazy ass score that determines, you know, if companies are investable? No, we're already down to the level

of Well, that's fucked up. Elon, you know, you deserve better. You see, it's normalizing. It's normalizing it. Yeah. That's man. I'm trying. But this is, like I said, I live this. I know, I couldn't talk about it before. But you know, I'm slowly How was the How was the experience? Was it fun? It was basically a set of like, it was basically like a, they write up these quizzes, like, Hey, you want to be a leader? This is what you got to do. And I'm like, bro, I've been a

leader in my job for how many years? I mean, like, what are you telling me? It's about access at this point. And then that will link you up with one of those actors in the company. And you send them I am and he didn't respond. You know, that kind of thing. Racist. Right? It was like, I'll volunteer but he won't never respond. I was like, Okay, I see what this is. But I knew what it was going into. It was all about the George. This

is doing George Floyd Pete George Floyd pig. You Yeah. So there, we're trying to get that missing the ESG score, up, up, up, up. And the way they did it was how much money we spent. How many employees got in this one? The Coca Cola is leaks was going on. And this you know, this is what you put in your corporate report. You do it every single year, and you show your di e everyone has it. Now, everyone has to have this energy. Yes,

you're right, it comes down to the money. That's that's the score, how much money appropriate in proportion to your revenues and profits did you spend on this? You know, we could be multimillionaires. But you and I just going out and role playing the shit for companies. We'd have a good time to we'd have a good time. I'll be the racist white guy. This is how not to do it kids. That's the problem is they're in an echo chamber. Honestly, I

think these companies are benign either way. It's like how do we make money out of us? ESG score. Okay, that's gonna run out profit. I gotta say one other thing. We may have discussed this. When Tina was wrong. McDonald House, I think was when I was, I think it was. And so I'm speaking out of turn here. So I'm just saying I would she would have to speak to her experience. But in general, when she came home for one of these di e, it was like two days, she was very impressed. Because she learned

about a lot of things she didn't know. And she just felt it was it was really, it made quite an impression on her of things she never thought about. Now, this is before mo facts. So you know, she's you know, and she and I both talked about how many things we never thought about that. It's like, it's enormous, but it's not the things that the Dia II was teaching you. Understanding margin is a catch all. Each, the DIA, the DIA thing is, hey, you know, I have a master's degree, but you know,

yet I couldn't couldn't get a job. And this data is that that level, kind of maybe a little bit more in the corporate environment in the environment itself. And to me, it was kind of trauma based learning. Not really, hello. That's why Pete George Floyd, there was like, put in overdrive, you know, it was books you need to read. That's when white fragility fragility, yeah, but I'm saying that it's completely okay. I guess what I'm saying is, there's so much validity to learning and

understanding about your fellow countrymen. That does not have to be in a corporate setting and a black white issue. You know, go out to a bar have a drink with somebody talk openly that you can't do that while say it said maybe they were maybe not homogenous, but that's the correct word in the sense of it had to fit. They weren't creative. They're like okay, this is the plight of maybe gay people in the corporate society. This is the plight of black people in the corporate no

setting, not Saudi setting. This is the the plight of disabled people. No was like, let's create one lesson plan. What's your disability? Oh, you have a vagina. Okay. What's your disability all you have melanated skin I see. Oh, what's your disability? Oh, yeah, you get no, huh. Okay, now in this line, okay. Now we have a catch all for everything instead of

being specific to each topic where there's opportunities for to learn. But the problem was, I'm telling you what a di e went off the rails when they turn on their white sisters. See, they got in these rooms. It was like, yeah, yeah, this is my issue. But then intersectionality thing came up. It's like how many how many? Girl Scout badges did you have? How many? Oh, what's your white skin? So you got to shut up? You're saying when the brown

and black women are talking? Right? And that's what kind of created the vibe in Virginia and you start start seeing it play out it at town halls and school board meetings. Yeah. Because you people will go to work all day be forced to see me because

you got to go. You had to go. Mandatory. Maybe you tell how bad you are that you can't you can't force people to get it hug or their words to dance, you know, says like, if you can have a meaningful conversation, somebody go forward, you know, but you can't hold people hostage in a room and tell them how bad they are thinking they're gonna accept it. You can but those people will be like, messed up you know? Like kind of

scared to say what they wanted to say. Now with all that said, now we got to go back to the firestorm because now we you've laid out all the corporate cat cash as you do the court the carry cash check. And now what they what do they need they

need? This is my speculation. They needed a frontwoman Jada, the academy is under pressure as more stars speak out about the lack of diversity in this year's Oscar nominations, including Will's wife Jada Pinkett Smith Academy to them with all grace and less to us. Your beautiful wife, Jada, so passionate, and so powerful. Absolutely. And letting the world know her thoughts about the lack of diversity in Hollywood with her posting.

Absolutely. And has been seen by my millions. Were you aware that she was going to do that? No, I was. I was out of the country at the time. And I came home. What happened? What was your first reaction? Was it was it a fist pump? Or was it like, Oh, she's deeply passionate and when she is moved, she has to go. And I heard her words and I was knocked over you know, I was happy to be married to that woman. But I appreciated the

push. There is a position that we hold in this community. And if we're not a part of the solution, we're part of the problem. And it was her call to action for herself and for me and for our family to be a part of the solution. Cheese he doesn't even know no way she's moved when she's moved so Oscar so white this is just my speculation on how if it's a hoax for you hoax folks out there like I've covered if it was real and they're saying that

no emotional we touched on it here. Maybe it was a mother response you know our whatever but if it was a hoax, who could call that shot? Who has enough clout? Now we have an interesting person to come. Oh, boy, okay, we gotta go now we gotta go Oh, gee. Boulais Oh, no, knock you slack through producing a calendar was like running through hell with gasoline underwear. No, it's it's it's it's amazing. It's you get I was on the border of the academy

with the brat music branch, two years or so forth. Again, familiarity helps you go through things. But just the way it's designed. You Aren't you can't yell at anybody, because you're not paying anybody outside of the Bureau staff. And so the stars are not, you know, Sunday, I'm just rounding the stars out, you know, and trying to keep everybody just so that they go through to the end. Because a lot of things happened, you know, the eagle things happen. I don't want to be what's on so

none of them. You know, I don't want him to give me the award. It's insane. But you get to see everybody the day before you shoot. That's it. You think you take the three weeks of rehearsal before? No way buddy the day before you do the show.

You have all these people with 15 minutes apiece to come in and talk about what that what this trip is about that now if they want to change this to fix that and everything, and just really just to see each other most of the people you know, already anyway, never stops and two minutes before Chris Reeve goes out. Because what goes on, says he does not want to use the Superman theme now. Okay, you know how many people you have to

load to notify, to get that theme out? To give them musical direction you gotta get to, I'll tell everybody, you know, just cameras and everybody and there's 1000s of things like

that that happened in the best part of the show. The important part is to figure out what you can put your fingerprints on the other stuff is fixed it's given and where can you touch it and then there's the serendipity that's just totally the moments that happened with crystal reveals the purpose of you know, watching his daughter get to ask him you know that most of the moments and then that's stuff you can do just have to let let it let it go let it happen you know

so Quincy Jones produce the 1996 Oscars 20 years later Oscar So White comes up Yes, so it's not like I mean he's been in wills Packer Shoes That's why I brought him into this but he plays a bigger role as well. But like you said, you only for the people out there so oh staged and you know that kind of thing is like this grand I think is a disservice people do when they say things like things a stage and they think every T to beat action a staged might even in sports people i Oh, look at the

score. It was 102103 No, no, no, that's not how it works when you read a game, I mean, it's not down to every shot. It's just

like we have our goal. And you hear Quincy Jones said they only go through this thing once a day before let's say it right the day before and then they come back the next day and then they do it shoot it so that gives a lot of opportunity for people with agendas to a lot of freedom to move about without it being this grand conspiracy of 100 people at the camp man was in on

it. It was taped on the floor and he stood on the spotlight NO NO NO calm down don't don't go that far because that's how you lose people. When you go that far. Please just like it's their motive there yeah, there's motive is an opportunity. Yeah.

But when you go like Oh, everything is orchestrated that can't you kind of lose the script well and that's that's that's the danger of conspiracy theory or theories and that's why people need conspiracy therapists and analysts so that's why I analyzed this conspiracy I've heard him all the Pfizer was up to it to push their new outpatient drugs. Yeah, it's a lot of smoke but they were talking about it six years ago. I mean, so who knows but this

the minor four or five, the blue line, get out? Get out Get a mean gone for us, you know, to get our name out there in the circle? Probably. I mean, they were in on it. No, the host Well, what you hear what you heard Quincy saying that I mean, this this is the guy he's a producer who really understands the final product. That's what I liked about what he was saying, you know, he's like, you know, here's the here's the magic that makes things happen good, bad or indifferent.

And I like the perspective that he's he's in Oscar circles see because there's as we're starting to see there's everyone wants to all the blacks or the gays is different groups inside the sub categories that yes, don't agree. Like you have a Quincy Jones and Chris Rock and Whitney, I mean Whoopi Goldberg she was very supportive for Chris Rock, you know, saying when he did the 2016 So use is different groups. So um, we got

to remember that book. So Quincy Jones had a different mindset other than boycotting anything you want to say before we play the next clip? No, I'm ready for it. All right, this is all him on why boycotting won't stop diversity. What do you make of people saying we should boycott this year's Oscars? Why cut doesn't do anything? He doesn't accomplish anything man has a confrontation, but it has no it has no solution to I don't

believe in that. All my life I've always had to make a problem and turn it converted into a puzzle I can solve puzzles. What is the solution to the fact that what is the solution? The fact that Oscar says we'll let you know later? Yes, complex man. Very complex. Were you surprised to be on the executive committee I wanted to. I was the first black on the executive committee. We changed all the rules for the song category and allowed the Beatles

to win Politik. B Plaza ks with chaff preparation and did you ever think they asked her to go to three six mafia for it's hot out here for PAM, please. Please. You see he didn't have much to say about the Oscars. So White situation, but the Tom Kane and now Chris Rock goes up

for steel in 2016. Just to keep people where we're at right now. And he goes out and calls out the her calls are out in the monologue. I'm here at the Academy Awards. Otherwise known as the white People's Choice Awards. Chris Rock tackled diversity head on during his opening monologue at the Oscars, delivering jokes that were both hilarious and poignant. Like this one where he called out Jada Pinkett Smith for boycotting the show. boycotting the Oscars was like me boycotting Rihanna is

panties. I wasn't invited. Okay, this man who man will who was not nominated for concussion I get it. I get it. Tell the truth. I get it. I get it. You get mad, said it's it's not that well, was this good and didn't get nominated. Yeah, you're right. It's also not fair that will was paying 20 million for wild wild west. Comedian kept things mostly light hearted but ended on a serious note offering his perspective on the Oscars. So White controversy so it's not

about boycott anything. It's just we want opportunity. What black actors to get the same opportunities. Immediately following the monologue, stars praised rock on social media, including Amy Schumer, Oprah and Ellen DeGeneres. Hello, nice crew. I stayed in the mix. Like I just started looking at her differently. Like she she's in the mix. Is she playing both sides? Notice what the monologue she's got all in there for Chris. And basic exam with the Oscar. So white crowd or the

maxis question before we get into the donation segment. Was

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then we'll move on to Will Smith. But we got to look at their childhood because we always like to humanize, see you like you brought up with Will Smith and his mother, you know, his spirits were heard how it may lead to it. I want to show how, like I said, these are the good guys in Hollywood. These are those these are the guys that are in celebrity. I mean, like black celebrities like Okay, those are the quote

unquote, you know, it's beyond that family friendly. Yeah, these are nice black men your white daughter can come home with Yeah, I'm serious. These are the non threatening black men of Hollywood. That's how I think and I think that's why if it was played out like I think it was played out. They had a perfect tool to show there's no Goodwin's cut, let me let me like something out here. Yeah, that's that said,

cuz I want to lay this out how if it ever becomes popular, not to buy on with the woke ism, that they try to force down our throat with Black Twitter, with di D, with all this woke agenda. And black men are truly representative as the marker server to people that we are not politically I'm talking about socially. And we also want to celebrate our individual identity and not be told to shut up and just stay the bottom. That and that enter row style

whole agenda. That because that opens it up to right now even here, everybody else, all the Hispanics are going to that those 7030 4060 Split voting, right? The black bloc is the only blot the Democrats can count on. And if that ever gets to we saw with Trump, you know, he doubled, but 2016 and 2020 and black women and black men voted for him. And I said, you know I stand on voting I don't vote. But the reason I'm saying

this is you think this slap will impact the image. And this is something to Kevin Samuels just to bring him up once more time was all about our racial image and that's what pissed a piece pissed off a lot of people about him because it's like no we won't be your sacrificial lamb we won't be the bottom you know as he said in the clip, I play two aces brute thing they want to have with us like Oh, me, me, man, you were saying like to take two good guys like this and play that out on an

international stage. A little bit of wind out of the sails of of the movement of black male independence quest. Oh, so now we come back to what I said earlier. is taken it out for you for yourselves. But perhaps not so much to the rest of the world. I know it's much deeper than that you and I know much better but to superficial people who just kind of like, I don't know if they feel like like black men are any worse than they might have thought or not thought

this is important enter a community. This is important, this is very important and true. The quote unquote community, because it's like this is your leadership, like this is who you want to follow. You know, that's the whole point of it was because this one thing that might not bleed over the all the intellects and intricate details didn't bleed over the timeline into your at all know that this is why I'm bringing it up, because all

these things almost seem self imposed. But I understand what you're saying, Now this, this helps a lot, right? Because this is gets them back on the booty to the polls. This the group mentality and that's why Kevin was so savage about the way he came in. And I felt the same way because he's like, Oh, this is the destabilized the image of black men, the way it played out, but now we got to go and look at the background of these two men, which I don't think many people

talked about. And this is Chris right before the Oscars Chris Rock open about his child childhood trauma he experienced

Sunday night's asker assault is still very much an evolving topic. And people are focusing on a podcast from back in January, where Chris Rock recounted how a violent incident from his childhood impacted him later in life. Take a look at my child I was bullied ridiculously the half of it the bullies because I was just a little guy. And then I got bused to school. So I got I was a little guy and I was black. One day a guy really disrespected me really bad, like, mush me at a

party. And I went home, I put a brick in a bag and smack this guy in the face with this brick, and then stomp to Joe Pesci style. Now, to the point we thought he might die. That's my shrink puts it to me, you have been scared to be angry ever since. So the guy you saw was bending over backwards to be nice, but I was so scared of my you know, and the question is, did the incident have anything to do with the way he handled things at the Oscars? Or was he

being the adult in the room? I think both things are true. And I want to ask people, why you think he would have indulged in a brawl on a stage in front of 3 billion people? Why wouldn't he be the adult? I keep hearing that and people keep saying people are going to, you know, think of black people the wrong way? Well, let me tell you, they should be looking at us saying, oh, okay, because he didn't indulge, he didn't there's nothing wrong with what he did. So there's no reason for anybody

to have any issue with black people. You have an issue with Will Smith and what he did, yeah, he doesn't represent every black person on the planet fast. I'm doing that. Wow. So Whoopi, just putting it out there in case it hadn't traumatized you about black men. Here's something to not think about. Right? That's horrible. I don't think I don't think she intentionally done that. Because she's on the remember. She was supportive of Chris Rock. And doing the Oscars. I know.

But but she brought something up that her predominantly white audience wasn't even thinking about this is my point. See, I didn't see it that way. Yeah. Oh, so you're saying, don't talk about what I'm just gonna talk to you about kind of about what I'm about to say, you know, what I'm saying is, she's propagating the the trauma interracially right. I don't understand why because I don't think that that was people are looking at two actors. Their

audience looked at actors. Their audience weren't thinking about that. Now they are. Right. That's what I said. Don't think about what I'm telling you. Yes. Yeah. That's like, it's like when people say I got something to tell you. I'll tell you later. Yeah. Exactly. Just tell me later I got time. Like that's very manipulative. I didn't look at it that way. That's very that's very interesting. Oh, was gonna tell you how I heard doing this when

we hear so here today. Of course, I was hearing her say, by all black people don't think this way of it's okay to go up on the stage and smack somebody or get into a bra with people that you were hearing for Tiffany? Haddish. He was saying like, divine violence is not okay. Let's listen to it again. Okay. It's worth it. I liked it. I love it when we hear things differently. That's what makes

it so beautiful. Studio Sunday night's ask her salt is still very much an evolving topic and people are focusing on a podcast from back in January, where Chris Rock recounted how a violent incident from his childhood impacted him late in life. Take a look. Okay, so this makes sense right now this is this is actually great information. This is just as Uh, you know, everyone has trauma and I'll skip past the part of him retelling the whole

story. But this is good. I mean, this is an that's an interesting topic that she's bringing up. So okay, this is why Chris Rock may not have fought back is because this is his his individual trauma that he actually went to a psychiatrist for die was bending over backwards, you know, and the question is, did the incident have anything to do with the way he handled things at the Oscars? Or was he

being the adult in the room? I think both things are true. And I want to ask people, why you think he would have indulged in a brawl on a stage in front of 3 billion people? Why wouldn't he be the adult? I keep hearing that and people keep saying people are gonna you know, think of black people the wrong way. Well, let me tell you no, not people black people. That's that's that's the thing right there. And also understand the view is highly scripted. This was premeditated that she said this

point point taking. So I mean, that just it just goes to show you that that racial image is always being thought about to say, Okay, we don't want to be seen like you know, saying brutes or whatever. Hey, well, welcome to my club brother. Was that but my club is everything a white man says has to you have to filter it is his racist, is I'm saying Am I saying something in my out of MIT character? Am I saying something that's wrong? Am I

going to hurt someone's feelings? I'm not putting me above you know, it's not saying it's different filters. I mean, this is what brought us together because it's different filtering mechanism, but the fact that the filters their day, you know, go back one minute when even when I was the lady from the tall lady with the short hair on Good Morning, America. I forget her name. Robin. Robin. When she started to talk about JD she was like your beautiful wife. Isn't she amazing? Like she had to.

Even when talking about one of her sisters, she had to lay it on thick Before criticizing it's different filters for everybody. And what we do here is to have an honest conversation. I don't worry about you being offended. You don't worry about me being offended. And it's really a rare space because everywhere else you have to think about it. Even if even if you go on proceed what you thought about before thinking the fact that you had to think it that's the real market. Yes, exactly. Alright,

so. Yeah. So now I want to get into a little bit deeper of the abuse that Chris Rock experienced. This is a horrible existence. The closest character I can relate to is Tim Robbins in the Shawshank. Every day was hell. I was a nigger, and I got fucking my ass beat. And I got physically fucked up. And sometimes some sexual shit happen. And yeah, like, I wasn't raped but rubbish. Okay.

I found that to be like, I need to follow a rapist right ish. So and to go back when Chris when he said when he says that I heard banjos playing for some reason? I don't know. deliveries, right? Yeah. Wow. Okay, Chris. Hey, I'd be traumatized to brother with nobody asked a follow up. Oh, no, of course not. That would be journalism stop button and also nobody cares. If nobody cares. It's the shows I want to start happening to talk about and some topics I'm gonna talk

about. Nobody cares about black man abuse. Nobody. I mean, like, we're as a demographic, we weren't the most abused people look at prison rape in their trivializes jokes is comedy. You know, so yeah. Oh, you got I mean, like even him being bullied on the show. Everybody Hates Chris. I'm gonna it's portrayed out, but it's done in a self deprecating humor kind of way. And that's that thing I told my I talked about before

with me. I'm serious, because everybody expects you to laugh and joke and not be serious because you don't want to seem intimidating or that kind of thing. That's that filter is like that was the thing like he doesn't want to be seen as angry. So you got to smile and just take it in? No, we're not gonna take it anymore. You know, it was a cuter music. But that's, that's where we're at with it. And that's, I think

that's what they're trying to put a wet blanket over. It's like no, you can't have men in general black men more specifically for my case, saying what they feel like that's, that's a bad idea, right? Oh, for a certain group of people to say what we signed on to and what we know. And it's the same thing for your group, like when you start taking out the filters, and saying what you want to say, then we can get to some. Yeah, some common ground. And I think that's the real

thing. They want to stop. So now that's his trauma, childhood trauma. Let's go over to the other side. And race plays a lot into his because he was going to a white school. Now this is Will Smith talking about racism and his career in childhood. Early on in your rap career, you write about facing constant criticism, and I love this quote, you say, a Catholic

school no matter how well spoken or intelligent I was, I was still the black kid and Winfield. No matter how up I was on the latest music and fashion, I was never quite black. Enough, I became one of the first hip hop artists who was considered safe enough for white audiences. But with black audiences, I was labeled soft, because I wasn't rapping about hardcore gangster stuff. This racial dynamic is something that has plagued me in

various forms throughout my entire life. And I wanted to ask you, how have you navigated what you call this racial dynamic? So the elixir for me has been comedy. Comedy crosses, all divides. If you know how to make people. Different wheel. Yes. Yes, very. We listen to we'll listen to all the different wheels, because that's very jarring. very jarring to me. When you listen to him in different spots. That is so true. That is completely completely different

will. Interesting. All right. Comedy crosses, all divides. If you learn how to make people laugh, it's like it's the sugar for anything else that you want to bring to that person. People are wide open when they're laughing. Right. So for me, throughout my career, the bigger the lash. I realized, the less I was the black dude. Oh, really? No. So you, Chris Rock dealt with the same thing? Yeah. Not being

black enough. And I want to make something clear. There are black comedians and actors that are seeing as though Black White comedians and actors like they could. And it's bear with me to try to explain this to my David Chappelle. He doesn't make black comedy. Chris Rock didn't make quote unquote black comedy. No,

in his way, like, say it. Wanda Sykes, another one. The one that addressed it the best was Wayne Brady when he was on Chappelle because he they kind of acknowledged it like Wayne Brady is like a showtunes Broadway kind of act is not black targeted media let me be clear what that is. It's funded by the same people but it's targeted in a different way. I'm even have this in YouTube. You have black targeted content creators and you have black content. Yeah, content creators who happen to

be black. Okay, there's a there's a difference and I just want to point all this out. Because this is why the robe of Chris bra being told you're the best you're the best guy for the job. He was like what does that mean? Right? And I'm sure we all can empathize with him because he was just like you said this

safe black guy to bring home to your parents. You know nobody wants to be safe at this beat let's just be honest I mean like nobody that's not a it's something that you want to be that's not something you want to be known as right like equates the boring equates to lame in a way Yeah. So I just want I just want to point that out understand that's definitely that's why 2016 was the real robe. And what we saw play out this this that this year, but just a result of that. Are you

the best guy for the job? Here Hi, Chris. How are you? Oh, yeah. For that racist white Show. Yeah, I got a cat man. It's crazy. I know exactly how he heard it in Yeah. So and I'm sure Chris knew as well. But let's get into the second part of Christian right man willing white racism. Right? The bigger the laugh, the less I was the soft dude. Right

laughter trumps everything right? And it's it's a magical it's a magical energy that connects people and that it for a brief moment at least purifies the poises Yes. And you're not in any way didn't marginalizing or minimizing overt racism because you say every encounter I ever had with overt racism were with people I estimated to be weak enemies at best, so overt racism although dangerous and ever present never made me feel inferior. I thought that was so

interesting. I felt the same way. I was raised to believe that you can encounter any situation racist or otherwise hard work education and God will topple any and all obstacles and enemies and I wonder how did that affect you moving to the world of power as a black man so it's funny to Tyrese called me one time he was going through

some who's Tyrese Tyrese from transformers Fast and Furious. Got it, got it got ya. And he was mad. He had just left a

meeting or something like that. And he said, Hey, man, what I got to do to walk into these meetings and have them not look at me as just walking into office. And I said, Well, you got to stop thinking of yourself as walking in office. So come with me, and I want to address why he brought out magical. And that's what I was talking about in the magical

negro. And what that is, is, like I say it's the stereotypical role and you start it starts to trend it starts to stick with you off the screen. That's just like Morgan Freeman. He's seen as you know, God, you know, saying like all like President God, this kind of thing. He solves everybody's problems. One of the best magical Negro roles that was snapples that was played was Will Smith and The Legend of Bagger Vance. And what it is, is you're a black man, but your

whole goal is to be the Savior for white well white character. You know, it's not about me, I went I suffered so I can be the safe character that oh sacrifice once again, sacrifice my own

wants and needs for your improvement. And like I say, Bagger Vance was like one of the go to textbook examples and it's fun I'm gonna turn it over to you just want to point out one more thing the determination hard work and God notice they went to Boulais a member to sitting down having a conversation they can say that but if you say that like out it conflicts with everything. The Democrats or liberals think

yeah, Oprah can't say that out loud. I mean, like use her full voice to say no, she she says she in fact she used it as other people saying this is what people were saying herself other people right. But they both agree that's how you do it but they can't do that because that ruins the whole victimhood dia drift

is a very nuanced conversation. It's a very nuanced conversation and it's gas and brakes it's like ah, we can't go too far oh that God and determination thing but we're Boulais brothers and sister we can have this conversation amongst ourselves yeah so um yeah so I mean it's it's it's very Alexei has very many layers to this. But going on to the next clip. I think

this is this is a long clip so stop it where you want to, but I left all the music, the fanfare everything in because I believe this was the passing of the guard. From Bill Cosby to Will Smith. Oh, my. Okay, the truth. That's some interesting shoes to fill.

Now just listen to the recent This is older that means like 9899 essence wars, if if my memory serves me correctly, but listen to Bill Cosby's reception in the room ladies and gentlemen, please welcome a man who says the darndest things 1990 sevens essence award recipient Mr. Bill Cosby yeah that's when he had kids say the darndest things that TV show was very big this is what this is him at his peak ultimate Peak Peak this to the past you standing ovation

once upon a time, there was a young guy from Philadelphia named Will in many ways, he was an ordinary fellow from nice home living off of his parents. And while he did that his parents taught him right from wrong. But he found that he had an extraordinary gift and it turned him into a Fresh Prince. He could fashion a

rhyme at the drop of a dime. All the neighborhood kids marveled at this ability, which he most often displayed at parties with his best friend, DJ Jazzy Jeff Grammy goes to Well Jeff and I never really wanted anything other than to hear our record on the radio. That was like the big thing. And it made June 1986 You know, Jeff and I, we were at my father's business and we saw a guy run by bobbing

his head to girls ain't nothing but trouble. And from that point, we've been completely beyond anything we ever dreamed last week. And if you heard that I heard that you could hear Chris Rock presenting the award Grammy award right to Will Smith that just just let you know that there. There's history between those two? No kidding, because because he needs a war shot. I don't know if people knew this or not. You can select who you want to give you award. I mean, everybody knows who's won.

That's why they know that show up or not. Yeah, but because you saw this with Kanye and ludicrous when he first won his Grammys him and Luke was very close. So that was I think that's an indicator to how close a Christian we'll were prior to this whole situation. All right. So fresh prints. I think this goes to your point about letting a young black man

into your home. That was a big deal that show yeah. So um, that that Monday slot, NBC, NBC Cosby, this show was created by Quincy Jones, you hear over and you're saying like, I want to stress the point that Will Smith is super duper Boulay. All the old school put their hand on him like he was saying that clip between him and Bill Cosby. He was pretty much that was the Barack Obama of Hollywood. He was nice. And there is a resemblance between wills and

Brock Obama and the IRS and everything like that. So just don't let that slip past you either. But this is the story of how Fresh Prince became the first Prince. Before I was getting in trouble with Uncle Phil. I was in trouble with Uncle Sam. Me and Jeff had come out with our smash hit. parents just don't understand. We made a bunch of money. We won a Grammy album was triple platinum. I have

motorcycles and cars are called the Gucci store in Atlanta. And I was like, close it down if I bring my friends, and I'm smiling, but that's stupid. We released our next album, and it was like a flop It was a tragedy. It went like double plastic. I spent most of my money, like all of I spent all my money. And I didn't forget. But I didn't pay the IRS in mind. I mean, I wasn't like, trying to avoid paying taxes. I was just like, Oh, damn, they need the money. The IRS took off

with all that stuff. So I was like, broke, broke, broke. Being famous and broke is a combination, because you still famous and people recognize us, but they recognize you while you sit next to them on the bus. And the stuff they asked you to sign on a bus. Oh, can you saw my baby? That's a Sharpie. I probably shouldn't write on the baby's with you too big to sign my baby? Well, no, I mean, you know? This is so telling. So you knew all this stuff, okay? I

didn't know this. I know Will Smith from then. We both performed while he performed. I emceed at the launch of head Sonic the Hedgehog the launch of the video game and hung out. You know, kind of like backstage hanging out is nice, new, really nice guy really thankful for where he was and everything. And that was indeed around 86. And I think he had something to do. I think he might have had something to do with that with the soundtrack to the to the game or something. It doesn't

matter. But the fact that he went completely that he completely blew all the money. Yeah, yeah, this is the pattern.

And is it the pattern to leverage an asset? Because it's too far is far too common. happening that they get celebrities? Well, it's a tax trouble. They make and leverage you. Well. Let me he said something else. That's important to understand. Go ahead, because I've been a little bit in this trap. But so being what he says being a celebrity and broke sucks, being a celebrity and making, not celebrity money sucks. But that was MTV for me, MTV. I'll tell you. I'm not complaining. I made

my first year $150,000 Working at MTV. The second year 175. I never made more from MTV than that. Now. Other things I did. I did. Okay. But that was the MTV money. So when you're Adam curry leather jacket, big hair and MTV is flying you coach down to spring break. You got to understand this weird. So what what what this is what this is why silly because it goes back to what we said earlier, there's certain things expected from celebrities. It's a facade. It's a, it's, it's the magic of being

a celebrities that you fly. I'm someone offered for that. Now, I'm luckily I'm no longer in mainstream. So I can be really honest. And everybody knows, you know, I make my money from the value for value. And that's sometimes good. Sometimes not. But if we were flying to South Carolina, we had, you know, take two planes to get there from from Texas. And someone kindly sent me a note and said, hey, you know if, if you get stuck in, you know, Atlanta, if you're going through Atlanta, I'm about

an hour away. And I you know, I could drive you the rest of the way. But the sentence read if you're flying commercial. You see people think that you know, Adam has private jet money. Yeah, you don't? Yeah, you know, you hop off the PJ Exactly. Chris style baby Chris. Just didn't know that. You still are a high value man making $100,000 a year. So we're saying even if you were MTV, so no worries there. But they expect you to get all pop into Dawn

popping the champagne? Yeah. The $100 bills at the airport flight attendant. Well, that's the thing, but it's a trap. It's a trap. And when you're young and impressionable and this and there's no you don't get a manual like hey, you're on TV. You're famous. Here's here's your ham guide. You don't get that you might have no I was very lucky. My first wife. And she was very smart. But she she would do two things. She would say you're not going out to

party because they're all losers and it only ends in tears. And I think that she's right about that. But she would also say you're going to pay the extra half to fly first class. You can't fly coach Adam curry the celebrity. So I literally you can't I literally would take money out of my own pocket to go do work for MTV. And you know what? And the reality world and reality TV

world we live in now. This is the peer pressure and this is why everybody just check boxes this is why all the doctor says a quick aside all the doctors that went along with the Cuf the same thing I got a lifestyle to maintain you're saying wish you would want me to take a stand? I don't think so. Except my friend mo facts didn't do that. Because you got to be able to live what you sell. Yeah, but that's the thing like real estate agents is another one.

You can't pull up to the exact house trying to sell a car when you're trying to sell a house in an instant and I 89 commit 98 Camry happy you gotta have a nice I was wondering what car you'd come up with?

I mean Yeah, cuz you gotta have a certain you see it all the time on the road and the realtor license plates and a little bit of magnetic on the door it's because you had to look the call and look the part yep you know you have to look the part and this is why I said when he said that bread and butter thing yeah I know what bread and butter mean podcasting is my bread and butter right now auxilary things going on you're saying that you know the same kind of food they're saying but when you say

that, that that stood out to me because I'm like oh yeah, this is this is celebrity like you got it and you really got to go harder while you're down Yeah, because you can't you can't give me understand inkling of a fall off oh no you can't once you fall off yep. And maybe now you just use Get me another conspiracy analyze maybe this will be the excuse for the fall off you know a they took they took anyone let me add no movies he was saying and then you will be a heroic figure to bounce back.

Ooh, well, that's that's another America loves a great comeback. We do we love come back. When we no doubt about it when we'll come back. Because he's

coming back. Oh, yeah. Now will he come back like the black mamba and Kobe after you're saying after the rape charge and get some tax? Maybe a face tat? You know? sanbi True. True. Will Smith. You're saying like, you know, you know that. I can see him playing the character he plays into DC comics like him taking on that persona, you know, of the bad boy. Um, but there's, there's gonna be a second, there's gonna be a second act to this chill.

Oh, I'm with you on that. And we will and we'll be around for too. Well, it might be a third. Because I think where I'm going with this is he had hit rock bottom right? Yeah. He has the appeal, but doesn't have the money. So he's floating around Hollywood. And they're like, oh, okay, you're down on your luck. Ha. We can basically use you any way we want to we know how will we know what we know. We will first act like big act and roll was just outside of us. And first Prince. That was when he

played had to play that gay role. And I had people who were saying look at him Sadat, because that was like a in six degrees of separation. That was very, that was very, for the time to play that role that was very pushing the boundary polarizing, maybe? Well, not even that it's shipped. I'll say that it shifted the Overton Window, because even Dimmesdale, he got into saying, like people like, I'm not sure about you in Philadelphia, you know, with with the gay guy. Right, right.

So for a young black rapper, to play that role doubt shifted the whole Overton window, and we've kind of been that figure to shift the, you know, to open marriage to feral kids to, you know, saying, like, he's been this guy to push these boundaries. And I'm just wondering, is this the same case? So, let's get back to the storytime of Will Smith. Part two. I was like, laying around. And my girlfriend was like,

do we not doing this? Like, you're not just gonna be laying around this house all day. You go and go do something. I was like, What? What am I supposed to do? Go where people is, is doing it, where people doing it. Go to the Arsenio Hall Show. Just go stand around at Arsenio Hall Show. Yes, that's stupid. I wanted Arsenio Hall Show. And I met a dude named Benny Medina and Benny Medina. Oh no real life Benny Medina? No, you will not know you will know him.

Oh my goodness. Benny Medina is one of the scammy his producers ever in Hollywood. I'm so happy to hear that. Fannie Mae Deena I hear that name like Oh no, not Benny. You don't know their story? I do not I don't think so. I I cherish the fact that I got I got one over on you in Hollywood, you're the Hollywood guy. So no you know name so please continue to clip and you can tell me your opinion. Medina will quote unquote bumped into each other.

And I met a dude named Benny Medina and Benny Medina is the real life Fresh Prince of Bel Air except he actually went from the wives to Beverly Hills, same basic concept way shorter distance now me Benny and he pitches me the idea for this show. And I'm like, I'm not an actor. I'm like, Cool. And he said, Hey, you know, I want you to meet Quincy Jones. Quincy Jones is producing stuff by myself at Quincies. And his actors and artists and celebrities and politicians like

everybody that cleanses out. It's like The Wiz without the

costume. So Benny walks me in and introduce me to Quincy, hey, Q What's up, man? He's like, Hey, man, you know, I saw your music videos. I love I love what you're doing. I love what you're doing. Tell me rap name again. They call me The Fresh Prince. Hi, good. That's what we're gonna call the show. And he handed me a screenplay for a failed Maurice de pilot. Like I don't have the time. So I need you to do this. I need you to

take few minutes, take 10 minutes, study the script. And I'm gonna clear all this stuff out the living room, and we don't have everybody sit down in the living room. We don't do an audition. Oh, just having to bump into him. I might have forgot I forgot all about Benny Medina. Yeah, there's nothing but there's nothing but weird stories about him. It sounds like you correct me if Martin because I've never been to Hollywood and I never planned to go to Hollyweird. Oh, but

it's not like the Arsenio Hall Show. People would just kind of like floating around looking to be discovered or you know, saying this is pre internet folks. You gotta remember that incident for the younger listeners is no happiness, no social media. So you got to get out there like his girlfriend told him. You got to get to where the celebrities are. And it seems like to me, the Arsenio Hall Show was just kind of like,

hey, come down, you might get home. The reason why I remembered is it was a Martin episode where Tommy Davidson played. People don't kill me for Lou levar LaVale LaVale Arsenio Hall type of character, and it was like, just come on out. It was saying and we'll get you on. Is that how these things work? Well, okay, so Benny Medina are, let's just say Arsenio Hall, Arsenio Hall. This is only because I think that this is where you're

going. Arsenio Hall definitely has some gay rumors swirling around him, which would fit in with Benny Medina, which would fit in with Eddie Murphy, which would fit in a lot with a lot of black men, who I believe are on the down low in Hollywood and music because it's just unacceptable for the for the quote unquote community. Was, was, was was a was I'm sorry, it was Will Smith shifted that Overton window? Because he was writing a

lot of weird stuff. And everybody was kind of looking the other way about like, oh, let's just we'll be and we'll, let's use what you know, just just to putting it out there. So and this has incredible state or had incredible stigma amongst black black male Americans. No. Yeah. That's it. Nobody, everybody, nobody, nobody really talks about that movie six degrees of separation. But our That was a weird movie. And that was another weird movie. Even

people talked about last was called Made in America. And it was about with Goldberg. She played a black woman that was impregnated by Ted Danson through artificial insemination. And she had a test tube baby right and we will smith helped her daughter find out who her real dad was. It was like I say a lot of foreshadow. It means earlier movies. And we'll was dead center of it. So how do you just show up my Yeah, that's

what we're gonna call the show. You're gonna have a 10 minute audition and we'll give you a show on NBC. And only took him five minutes to audition. Hey, now, rise, show storytime. 3pm movers that could reset his furniture. I was like, this dude is real. To go. Buy. Come on. Come on. Come on. I was at HQ. Hold up, man. Hold up. I'm not ready to do no audition. He's a Oh, hi. All right. What would you need? Tell me what you need. Just set

the meeting for a week and I could do it. He said, Yeah. You know, Brandon Tartikoff. The head of NBC is out there. I'll get him scheduled for next week. And then you know what's gonna happen? Something's gonna come up. And and he's wanting to reschedule? Oh, yeah. So three, so three weeks from now can we can do it three weeks from now. So yeah, three weeks from now be good. Or you could take 10 minutes right now. And you can change your life forever. Yes, give me 10 minutes. I say yes.

And I let it rip and I got to the end and everybody's clapping because he looks at Brandon Tartikoff the head of NBC. Did you like it? And Brandon said, yeah, yeah, like, because he says, No. Did you like it? When you say yeah, like, he's like, good. You're his lawyer brought me up something right now. What's the order and other people lawyers around his lawyer? Because he turned to me and he was like, hey, well, you got a lawyer to play. See, I'm broke. If I had a lawyer taking

5% He owed me money right now. I anytime she was assistant, he was like, get with a lawyer. Quincy had been drinking. I go down, huh? Well, I've sat with Quincy for an hour.

already told you the story. You said you had interaction with him, but you never went into details? Oh, I was curious about what will come? Well, I know you're gonna realize. No, no. I'd actually I'd love to talk to Quincy again. Because he has hearing aids. I think he has the same kind of mind. I just want to know about his settings. You know, I'd like to share because he didn't I see him in the studio, listening to a track with a hearing aid and just wondering how he how he gets

anyway. Years ago, I was doing a Sunday night live coast to coast radio show called headline USA and we'd have a guest on and the whole hour in this case was Quincy he was in studio. It was a it was a cool ass. Studio, big room, just the two of us at a small table, two mics to headphones, very dim lighting. And he came in and he had a bottle of Latour show total. That is 1500 bucks a bottle is what that is. And he said Let's drink. Let's have a good time. And so I later now I had a great

time. And I remember starting off by saying Quincy Mr. Jones, we said call me Q view have produced everyone from Lena Horne, to Fresh Prince to Fresh Prince of Bel Air to the TV show. And that ends of that conference. But we got so drunk on this. This wine is really some awesome stuff. And later, I heard that Quincy had a drinking problem. I felt kind of bad that I had kind of enabled him. And it just did put it in a little bit of different light. So when I hear Will Smith at the end say

Quincy had been drinking. I think he had a serious drinking problem. Like like real serious right now he's still whatever you doing now, he didn't do 22 girlfriends. Yeah, exactly. So to do anything that's that's just a little bit of extra info. But now I think he's I think he's he's a non drinking alcoholic now I think I think he's out as as as being on the wagon,

though. But the funny thing is the way this plays out is the Hollyweird one on one textbook of how these Hollywood parties go completely the way it is and for him to be yelling in the music meetings with Brandon tartan car Tartikoff was NBC Universal exactly but the end he's dead now I think but the the music business so we're Quincy came from very I mean, that's exactly it. It's the first thing is a lawyer deal. But it's always lawyers do that. Once you've got someone right away, they and

they draft the contracts in the meeting. No one gets to think about it for a second. You stay in this room. We'll draft something. we'll finalize later. Don't worry, everything will be fine. Which of course never is. Quincy Jones Suge Knight type of stuff. Right. That's the business. That's the business. That's the business. So I think we started three or four now. Yep. All right for

Quincy, I've been drinking. You're not it's probably obvious from your story. But you have been tasting wet his beak a little bit that night. So the lawyers go out in the limo, and they're drawing up the first deal for the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Quincy is like popping up at the window no brows is doing. No gratis is doing right now did he make thriller like this?

So we got the lawyers draw up something. Ken hertz looked it over for me, Brandon Tartikoff. And we took a picture and we signed the basic deal for the Fresh Prince and Three months later, we were shooting the pilot. And that's the story of how I became the Prince of Bel Air. So the moral of the story is always say yes. And I guess, listen to your girlfriend. And always have your own lawyer who you trust. Always say yes and always to your girlfriend. Hmm. Okay. That's the moral of the story.

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side of the story. Oh, how Fresh Prince became the Prince of Bel Air. I had this this multimedia company had just started by magazine, which was Steve, I said that it was getting heat for synergy and so forth, and to help him to see what the other things how we can mix things up. And so I've got a good idea for magazines, I don't know much about magazines. Quincy Jones, hip hop magazine with Time Warner. So What a ridiculous

idea. And in five paragraphs, you turn it around, of let's get started tomorrow on it, and it worked and it's became the hip hop back and seen you know, that's Benny Medina from Wiley. With that time, he was the head of black music at Warner Brothers. And he kept telling me about this story that have occurred with an old friend of mine that when I was living in Paris, that was the genesis of it met I did we like to know. And so at six o'clock we were doing still having a meeting

with Warren Littlefield and Brandon Tartikoff. And Ben it was out melodrama. So he called Betty and to just explain to explain his life's was really his life story, you know. And so in eight minutes, we made the pitch and 11 o'clock, Warren Littlefield called me up and said, We like this. We showed him we'll know. And I'll have a video. And they call it 11

o'clock and says we buzz. Tomorrow. You'd have to speak to 700 sponsors to tell him that your father seven kids and that will build rapport is not dangerous like will Michael Mazur Wilson was being dangerous but they know it's the first time I wrap it up with him this is they hadn't had done movies or anything then and then really believed that they would rap was gonna happen and I remember Michael Jackson telling me that it's rap is dead, you know?

That's what I'm talking about that was that safe. I remember like I said, it's, it's so pivotal that show and that was the making of fresh prints. The same with Martin. That was those two they invaded television around the same time with a new it wasn't the Cosby Show, it was something different. It was even take black out of it just like rap as a sub genre, seeing hip hop star have us major television show. That was a very that was a big you knew where you were gonna be at Monday,

eight o'clock. Because Tuesday when you got to school, you know, you want to do the show. He was saying like, all the handshake, everything everything was gonna be talking about. I think that's kind of hard for other people to understand. Now that was living on demand. Experience, you know, when you everybody was the same time it was must see TV, that was exactly what it was. You had.

You had to see it. And it was a good show. It wasn't just saying good morals to it at the same time, um, but it was the, that was like the Boulais. Showing how the Boulay we recruit family members, and this is a real thing. Whereas I owe young, talented, bright person, maybe from a heart upbringing, let's bring him in my dad offerings and is to like, no saint family members and I and our family. You know, like, come live with

us get on your feet, you know, come to the city. It wasn't on a scale like money wise, but you live in in a place with not many opportunities. We're living here somewhere where opportunities come live with us. I've had so many cousins and uncles and aunts and whatever else share a room. Because that's what you did that that was high. It was different from the coffee's that was you know, cover that spectrum of economics. And that's why I was magical now. Quincy Jones mentioned something

about divine magazine, divine magazine had Quincy Jones brought so much to the table, thriller and everything else but the bomb magazine may be one of his biggest but least talked about accomplishment. I think it was I think it was actually around the launch of vibe that that was the context of my interview with him. I'm just thinking now it makes sense because so many pivotal events. Brock Obama's big first cover was the vibe. Yeah. brought him to us. And it

really started the East Coast. West Coast beef. Yeah. Between Tupac and Biggie from the VA. I mean, that was that what it made

it really public and I have trash here. Mama's cubby a baby's ears because treasures and two pots ran from not my nature. He's saying he's loose with the words so just be be warned. But this is trash on the vibe calls in the East Coast. West Coast beef. We got that motherfucking Vibe magazine right? Where you see big and puff on the cover. East versus West. When I saw that fucking cover I said man What the fuck is going on? Gangsters

don't read the articles. He was on the East Coast like yo is on waits on the West Coast. Nick has come out here. West Coast like always on wait till the East Coast Nick has come out here. So a baited up a whole shit. That fucking went down. That had just so many cycles of all Biggie falling was riders, all part riders motherfuckers that didn't even know neither one of them. Gangster as motherfuckers it could have really turned into a more fucking East Coast West Coast war.

Oh, I didn't know this. I didn't know that. That Vibe magazine was the genesis of this. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. That article. That was I mean, it was nd went in the window. There were songs there was ash, who shot you by biggie? You're saying but this was really when it was made public of the beef. You know, saying it was very a lot of subliminals. So the vial had a big role to do with that. And at the same time, people gotta remember that's when the me and

Man March was going on. When Black men was trying to take control of their identities. There was As there was let's make the black man look bad. Exactly. You're gonna wait are you is this show going to end with me not liking Quincy Jones abre show is gonna choose your own adventure quiz quick. Get into quick the second part about the first sprint. We'll see what happens we'll was we were doing back on the block.

I have the whole group up there we had four rappers who have iced tea and all the guys and the Gospel Choir Tevin Campbell, everybody. We've done Arsenio Hall Show of glory out of delimiting that came by to see the show. And I think we'll ask him, that the directions or something, how to get to the farm, took his numbers have been in the process in order to get ambiences and working with borrowers. The family was changed to bougie black family, which made it much stronger. Got

the great, great, great casts right away. Right away. It just, it's stuck. Like, you don't want to see the writers. And we want to hear in 10 weeks after the pitch. 10 weeks, no time for paralysis analysis. Nobody time but notes and all that junk. Just did it. I did a couple of did a cameo on restaurants with Little Richard Richard Penniman were both the same age. Well, it was the impact I think was the combination of you know, the both sides of the economic strata, you know, black

community, you know, which is glaring. And I mean that that gives you a premise for every every episode, when you got one from Philadelphia, they've got thrown out of the out of the house, it was too much trouble to come out here with his bourgeois family. And every move he makes, you know, is the scene for entertainment. And for conflict. Yes, that's right. Conflict is great cue. Funny conflict is funny. Yeah. And just be honest, in the brochure, a lot of a lot of

interesting topics. As far as I'm, like, one of the pivotal

scenes show Will Smith acting abilities, went about the deadbeat father, that was one that is actually in the collective conscious of when he was like, Why do you don't want me Uncle Phil, and then he cried. So it was the good, the bad, but I gotta say, like, Quincy Jones, he's at the center a lot of stuff and doing his research and his Will Smith show. And what I knew about his previous past, it's like, you know, to pot, you know, Will Smith.

A, you know, Jada was going well, that's too, that's too many coincidence, and involved in production of the award show. And like I said, so let's go ahead and get into 37. You've been nothing but net kitty three, I know you've had you had a very important

relationship with Tupac. Why do you think you know, there's a lot of people that didn't understand the genius that he was and thought of him as dumb in a lot of ways or maybe ignorant, a little too violent? Why do you think that that's the case, I would say that Tupac was probably the smartest artists that I met in terms of the full range in terms of politics, you know, personal relationships, and, you know, scholastically, whatever you're

just reading. But I also feel like to some degree, he dumbed down to sort of let his audience know, in some ways that he was relatable. And not to say that his audience was dumb, but he was putting on a facade to relate to them in a better way, you know what I mean, with the whole Death Row persona and all that. And then he was probably three to four months away from turning all that around. And it's sort of what Karis did with his first album, he had those he's on the cover, and then the

very next album, he became the teacher. So puck was about to do that turn around and say, Okay, now that I've got the demographic that needs the help the most, I'm gonna turn around and teach them certain things. Yeah. And I think that unfortunately, it was just cut short, but he he had so much in the pipeline that people don't know. But I mean, he was so well read, he would read each book two, three times in a row and

ask a bunch of people questions about the book. So he really learned it, you know, so I think he was ready to unleash a lot of that in his political thoughts and power and all that kind of stuff. And just unfortunately, got cut short, you know, and,

you know, to some degree, fame is also a drug. So maybe he got caught up in that a little bit, but I think he was probably literally four to five months away from the turnaround becoming a man and becoming In the leader that he was in, he was born into the Black Panthers and sort of raised to be the next leader. Yeah, we can't have that. So now that doesn't sound like something when he can't have a can't have Tupac changing his tune, become a thought leader.

And it seems like Quincy had his stones on both spectrums of hip hop, where we will smith at one extreme and then to pocket the other extreme. And they both were under his thumb in a way.

Yeah, he already had a good wholesome guy. He didn't need another one. Right? So you gotta have this other you're saying like you say, it's you controlling both ends, both polar opposites. Just one other thing I'd like to say about Fresh Prince of Bel Air, because you gave us your perspective. Now, you knew where

you were Monday night, eight o'clock. So did I. But we were there for different reasons. We didn't we didn't view fresh prints the way you did. To us it was and of course, this was made for white audiences. Yes, it was, you know, it was for all audiences. But this is NBC, Brandon Tartikoff. I mean, it was a huge hit. You're not a huge hit, unless you bring in wide audiences just like hip hop, basically. At least when

it's charging and on the radio. And I think for wide audiences for me of just trying to think back and remember I was like wow, you know, that's really good to see that there's very successful black people. Right, what it did was it was the safe space between a mark in in a Bill Cosby Cosby Show because you had the rich family i The Cosby's, but then you had the hip hop vibe of a mark. So it was it was the perfect it was safe. Yeah, it was it was a safe

spot. And we'll we'll get up to shenanigans but he wasn't well, not not just safe. But what would Quincy sees and what Quincy says very accurately is you have this conflict, and that conflict is where ratings live. I think you know, I don't know if we're going to find out how political and Boulay Quincy is in this regard. But from a ratings perspective, a television productions perspective is the dream is the dream. Every producer would see that as a dream.

Yeah, is the dream and like I say in any shape of my mind as as a young person watching the show. So let's go ahead and get in so it can help me ask how did it shape your what what what was your takeaway from as a young young person watching the show? Will was cool, man, he was good was still cool. You had you had these people like it was like a predecessor like Kanye. It was. You had Dwayne Wade and with Dwayne Wayne over it on different we're also proud of yeah, these people you could

identify with. But we it was cool, because yeah, like I said he had the Jordans on and the back. And you know, if he would have searched Queen Latif and was on the stars, the cameos was the real thing. You got Donald Trump. Chris Rock. Yeah, yeah, no, Kami? Yeah. Kevin Kambou Yeah. Which that's a whole nother story for Oh, man. But you had all these things and then you had like I said, you had Carlton, which was so corny. It may will look cool.

And what a sad story, Carlton, just he never got out of that role. That's the thing you wish you're getting stuck there. Yeah. What the question is, do you would you rather have that type of fame or no fame at all? I can't answer that question. I'm not into fame. But as an actor, I mean, he has his own dance. For

crying out loud. So I work with him on circus of the stars and man he was just entertaining everybody backstage he was singing dancing tap and but just everything that st like and that was just backstage. That was just for people on the show. You know, he was just kind of that guy like always full of energy not acting. When you saw on fresh prints, that's him. That's that weird spot to get put in because that's that Wayne Brady lane is like you sad to say but you can't smell like

that. You can't laugh like that is because people will think like you're a pushover and not. That's what led will to be 10 thinking that way. And it's like, oh, you're gonna respect me today, you know, same kind of thing as far as, you know, the way he tried to change his image, and that's why I think that you're gonna keep my wife name out your mouth. That was that was. That was like y'all playing with me? Yes. No, no

play with me. So, okay, so I think we started 3738 38 Now just go and get 30 Okay, this is Quincy Jones on Tupac. And he was born into the Black Panthers and sort of raised to be the next leader. Yeah, so he was ready for it. And he knew where do you think he lost his way on that? Or do you think he lost his way of connecting with the culture? I think he knows his sister and my daughter he died in her arms and Las Vegas. She was engaged Sam.

And he's the writer letters like Lord Byron, reading a one point affairs and the fact that recited unrolls that came from concrete. Starry Eyes, Bob above Vincent van Gogh, but Jada Pinkett was the first girlfriend of multiple AAA students, you know, but it's not hip to be this not him to be smart. And that's got picked off. Because it's a joke. I didn't know that. Tupac died in his daughter's arms. What are the chances? He had control of both poles of hip hop. Gees,

the safest and the most radical and it gets worse. We get more interesting but yeah, yeah. But I want to now we got to get

in Wait a minute he had. Also Jada Pinkett Smith was his first girlfriend is that what he said? No, that was two parts first girls what I said to pucks first girlfriend? Yes. Yes. Holy crap. Then this is the real issue with Will Smith. It's not about Chris bra. It's not even my August our samen keys bet chasing a ghost? Yeah, and he's woman's heart. Everybody knows is like oh, he she picked you because he died. Oh. And it makes for a hell of a

control mechanism. Sure. So now we gotta go to different world a Bill Cosby production which feature to pop. Now while we're Bill Cosby feel safe enough now we heard how much scrutiny We

Will Smith had to go through to get to get Fresh Prince of Bel Air with Bill Cosby Mr. poundcake pull it be pants allows Jada Pinkett Smith to costar with Tupac or his production different world and this is going to be example I think this was a reflection of what she was going through but also how can I put it ah showed Will Smith is being played by a

guy named Doreen in this episode. And it's gonna show her struggle between wanting to be with the thrill to pot or with the safeguard during aka Will Smith. leanly Gleadless a potty cool oh okay, now I know what you're trying to do okay, that's not necessarily what you're trying to say lately you want to dance with somebody else baby love Brad's out of male ego convinced picking on that now right? Seriously though Lena use my first love and I can't get five minutes alone

with you one day I so miss you. Notice or mom we have our first dance together. Remember the heartbeat? Yes, let's not go there right. Now a lot has changed since the last time we saw each other and not the same brother. same to me. Well, I'm really getting it again. And we live the street life family hitting on took you this long to realize that Rico got smoked. I heard about it and I wanted to call but so wish you wouldn't be the only person I could have talked to.

Once you call me pick up on stuff give that rough you can always call me. That's why I'm here and then give me a job. Look me up a career. When you do it this Khalistan we can really have a go and see now. This is exactly what I was afraid of. You're not gonna come down here, jump in my life and act like everything's okay. I got an agenda. And despite what you might think I'm glad a man got to do with me nice laughter

I know you're just passing it's on with the quiet boy. Like I was if the boy you weren't all that Oh, so now you are that now to to bougie squares. What you want quiet boy? Lincoln told me you ain't doing the right thing is standing with your mouth open. Let your woman handle your business so okay, and that was Jada Pinkett Smith was the girl. Yes. This is what her real life boyfriends This is life imitates art man. Yeah. So Bill Cosby was getting in on that. On that cue action.

They ran NBC and seemed like it's with some clout Oh, Bill Cosby was incredibly powerful at NBC.

Yes, we're saying and then you got Q bringing in fresh prints which is this old powerhouse power struggle I don't know No, no, no, no no I'm telling you right now power struggle between q and Bill seriously Oh definitely. And now I'm thinking que might have something to do with Bill going to jail. He was quoted as saying I'll tell you what me and Bill used to do you know saying I would end up being you know, like

basically in trouble. So I think Allah when students open up and I remember these guys are these guys are Boulais and that would explain why he led POC on his show. Because he had a script by make it rough up the image of different world and it's gonna change by a different world had a different tone to it was more about his daughter Denise going to college. But it did this pivot of like, kind of recruiting all young black people of different lifestyles into college. And this is proven

college admissions to it doubled at the different world. So that is by me imitating art but let's go ahead and get to the second part of this clip. Because you're going to hear I think what jailers struggle with because cue says she was a straight A student, but they were from Baltimore, her and pop. So I think this is by what she was struggling with an image

and I think this may lend to her. No being more radical compared to will and hopping on the Oscars so white bandwagon. Lena Why are you looking like that girl? You had to find men fight over union you better smile. But it's something about that piccolo I can't put my finger on these doggish scandalous pinfish gangsters and hooligan nests. But he's so fun. First of all, y'all need to stop talking about people that you don't even know

what the hell are you looking at? That's all you got from his mouth Almighty it's not my man anymore. Okay. And to well, don't you mean be What did she say there? I didn't catch it. She said one and then she she's in a coma was not my man anymore. Okay. And to me, don't you mean be and to Charmaine and Gina Ray, he acted like he always acts when he doesn't get what he wants. And that's like a Joe hood.

I can't believe this. First you leave us you leave the crew to come to college to educate yourself, knock you with that. It's cool. But then you start running around with these people like choirboy and these two fake females taking this on hold it now first of all, I'm not on anybody's side. Okay. Let's move on to your mug girl.

Okay, understand and I'm here just trying to get an education right I'd rather be here than on the corner doing absolutely nothing ended up with a city job so it's like that. I guess so. When the Lena James that I know comes back well Don't you tell her to call me? Ma nothing wrong with a city job. Hmm. So that I think that's why Jada Pinkett was struggling. You're saying I'm choosing between Tupac. And we'll because it was

bigger than just mean. It was identity is like, you know, where are you going to be? bougie or bougie This is another word for the Boulais to do you think do you think that somewhere in wills programming? He has to actually show he's a bad boy to be quote unquote real? Yeah, that's a struggle. I mean it but he always failed at it. It said in the previous clips because he wasn't never quite black enough for black people. It wasn't quite wide enough or safe enough for white

people. Maybe he was good enough. Yeah, thuggish enough. Yeah. Man, this is so deep. No, you I think this is that the burgeoning of gangsta rap and hip hop and becoming a huge commodity? And early to mid 90s. So I mean, are you gonna be jiggy with it? Are you gonna be? He was gonna be Yeah. So um, alright, so this is we're talking about how jealousy was a two pot. Were you ever jealous of the love Jada had for Tupac? Oh,

fuck, yeah. No, God Damn, dude. And you know, and that was in. That was in the early days. Yeah. I was in the early days. And it was like that that was a big regret for me too. Because I could never. I could never open up to interact with with pot. You know, we had a little bit of Yang, right? Because, you know, you know, they grew up together. And you know, they loved each other. But they never had that, you know, they never had a sexual relationship with dad come into

what question you say? First boyfriend. I'm just damned. Okay, we'll continue. I just want to clarify matters do each other, but they never had that, you know, they never had a sexual relationship. But they had come into that age where now that was a possibility. And then Jada was with me, you know? So, you know, pocket a little thing on that. But she just loved him. Like he was the image of perfection. But she was with the Fresh Prince, you know, so it was

an image of perfectionist. I never could with this interview with this Breakfast Club. Yes. And this is from when this was from, I want to say 2016 17 Somewhere around there. But but he just says something really critical here. She just loved him like he was the image of perfection. So to Tupac was the image of perfection that's will speaking not Jada. That's Wilson that is that. She just loved him. Like he was the image of perfection. But she

was with the Fresh Prince. You know, so it was like, I just I never could like even we were in a room together a couple of times. I couldn't speak to him, you know? And you know, he wasn't gonna speak to me if I wasn't gonna speak to him. I would have so much in common. No, that's how Jada was saying all the time. She's like, I'm telling you Y'all are so similar. You will you love them. And I just never stopped you know.

Red flag. Fellas. If y'all want me to say another man, you have so much in common it was in her past. That's a huge red flag. Like just put it out there. Clip This is dropkicks with a red dash alpha message and too far. That's right. No, that's what Jada was saying all the time. She was like, I'm telling you Y'all are so similar. You will you love them. And I just never, you know, that was a huge regret of mine. I

just didn't. I couldn't I couldn't handle it. You know, I was just, I was the soft rapper from Philly and he was popped right? This song about you and nothing. Exactly, exactly. But ya know, I was deeply, deeply insecure. And just I wasn't mad enough to handle that relationship. Oh, okay, now didn't. Chris Rock and Jada Pinkett Smith also have some stuff together? I don't think so. I thought there was some rumors about him when they were working together somewhere from way back

no no more Anthony was in with me. I don't think Chris Rock but I think it was more of Chris Rock was the sacrificial lamb to let all frustrations It was like he was gonna smack you let everybody else know stop playing with me and my name kind of thing. He embodied every everything that will couldn't be because he was the soft good rapper. Right so let me pick Go on the weaker guy than me Chris was who was smaller than him to significantly Yeah.

Very glad Kristen had that bookbag without breaking it. It's almost like but now let's go back to Quincy Jones and listen to what really happened to Tupac know Tupac.

That's a no is my daughter's fiance. He was gonna get married. In fact, he died in her arms and lung stapled up. She almost got killed on that too because she and Tupac when the car she was supposed to be sitting next to park. This was in Las Vegas, Las Vegas show and thank God Tupac. I called her up and said I just hit a crypt and also I'll pick you up later. And a car came by his car convertible with girls in it to tempt him out of out of the car. And they pulled off and a guy

with a bow tie and machine gun took him out. That would have been my daughter, you know, her car was behind and with the

security and he died in her arms. And she went through in within a year and a half's time she lost Tupac she produced an event for my record company request records and Vibe magazine four minutes after that biggest mall got shot he was that that thing he got killed by the Crips and Alia Alia was just to stay live in our home you know we took it to Fiji stayed at Tony Robbins house and everything and later she got died that killed on that airplane accident it was overloaded you know wow man

you too much coincidence for me Q incidence write it down I just can't solve that problem. God gave that one to me what honestly, I don't know I mean let me break it down for people that didn't catch all that your daughter was supposed to be in the car to pop

but she doesn't and he gets killed then y'all planning the party there Biggie goes to he goes out four minutes later he

shot and killed and then you're hanging out in an Anthony Robbins with Alia

Alia he fluidly it down yeah magazine event now stayed at Tony Robbins house and they're playing get overweight it and crashes and crashes let me explain how this in my

conspiracy analysts might hi this is Quincy Jones the clean up man. I got to ask. He removed Tupac out of wheels way he removes Biggie out of Jay Z's way and he removes a layer out of Beyonce his way Oh, that was the one I was missing. Oh oh yeah, if it goes nowhere, Beyonce is not Beyonce. Q is the original drill rap guy.

He's the real life Suge Knight and don't Don't get it twisted he is a World Economic Forum member frequent Davos yep so don't don't think he don't get busy we know how Davos get now it was and like made a real gangsters. Yes. I'm this is very this is actually upsetting to me. I'm sorry. No, no, I'm not no. But it's I have I put q on such a pedestal for his work.

Although vive magazine always bothered me that that always bugged me I can't I don't I'd have to think about it since you just brought it up in the show but I have to go back and meditate for a bit and think about what are the things that bother me because I was there I remember this whole launch it's very polished. Right It was a very it was wasn't the source grimy like the source so Aleta was dating Jay Z. Yes. Oh man.

Which they tried to say it was Dame dash but I think she was dating both of them borrowing saying is for celebrity wise. Beyonce picked up the energy that Leah had right right. Jay Z picked out the energy that Biggie hair and Will Smith will clear the way but this is my conspiracy analysts mind. Like I'm not saying anything. I'm just telling you what pops in my

head when I hear this clip and he runs it down like that. But yeah, I'm at the center all this and the thing about Quincy is he loves to talk your jobs all you're saying he drops it all you don't care. So okay. So no, no, no, keep going. I'm just I'm processing. So if you don't think he ain't he ain't gangster. 43 When Tupac started dating your daughter, there was a sit down you had with him there was

a he wrote something in source magazines and stuff about this very racist, very nasty and my daughter from her I've heard rusty that took him out. And she's speaking Harvard. He's at the end. But all my kids, I put the street in him, I made sure

he had the street. You have to have the street, man. I don't care where you go Yale, Harvard, Georgetown, whatever. Street is important. And I was born in the streets of Chicago in the 30s. And in Chicago, with mafia everyday, dead bodies everyday tommy guns, stole these piles of money in back rooms, like, amazing. I want to be gangster till I was 11. I did just you know, you want to be what you see. You want to be what you have for golf course. Rashida, of course forgot all about Rashida.

Yeah, and I have a story here that says he was a member of the Jones boys, which was the black gangsters in Chicago. And I find

an interest the Jones boys. Of what Jones's right Yeah, his own gang. They're nice masking. They don't say it specifically, but gonna be Quincy Jones in the Jones boy was he's the top Jones of the Joneses. Ah, well, very interesting. Let me say this, about that. From the music business in the 80s in the

90s, which is my period everybody was a gangster. This and I'm not talking about you know, gangster rap. I'm talking about gangsters. These the music business is filled with gangsters. And, and I'm just using that term generally, but you know, Benny Medina fits in there. Tommy Mottola fits in there. Mo ta had a guy around it. That was it was a white Italian guy that will go and get the radio deals done. Oh now, the whole the whole payola all that stuff. It was

it's always been a gaffe to gangster business. That's That's why you know, because it was not the new one. But but you know when you think about Quincy Jones his background Yeah, I mean, you grew up that way you've got certain values that are embedded in your mind and may be eliminating someone is is quite normal in his ear and you do not survive all those years without two things. incredible success and incredible power and the two are not necessarily always tied together.

And Quincy Jones has been the gingerbread man throughout at

all he's he's almost made it I gotta give him his credit he's almost made it unscathed. You know until more facts are that of curry came along and expose him quick cue listen I don't want no smoke when occlude leave me, okay. And we're happy to talk to him if you'd like to expand no problem. Yeah, why not? Why not me this time que no problem.

So I know people may say this is a stretch where you talk about mo Quincy Jones take him out to pot for we'll party for you to prove yourself over and over and he can never be to park. Well, Kevin, you over exaggerate in this two part thing. Did did Tupac. I know you are alive someplace. I think my mommy really misses you. Can you please come back? Can you come back so me and my mommy can be happy. I wish you were here. I really do. Willow Whoa, what? Willow to kill them. What 9596

Willow never met to park. Why is this little girl writing a letter to Tupac? Why is Will Smith's daughter writing a letter to Tupac? Does the timeline fit here Mo was that is Willow. Tupac? Jada is talking to her daughter about how to pop man her horse. Of course. That's enough to keel over my book. As a father, I'm just saying, Oh my God. We know. All right. All right. So the things I've learned from this episode, one. Always be prepared when when Moe

does a show. Alcohol might be necessary when your heroes are destroyed at the end. To Will Smith is a man who needs help from men as fast as possible. I don't know if I don't know if it can be done. Key needs deprogramming. He needs help. He needs someone to open his eyes and to show him what's going on.

Three Holy crap this is almost as bad as just how bad I mean this is ultimate abuse and and and Quincy Jones has been a part of this throughout the ages Yeah. Using the Sanur did have the center of it he said he was a gangster I'm just telling you and he's made made no bones about it. Pun intended. About being a gangster, Houston every interview it always goes back to gangster gangster Chicago being a gangster.

So the so the slap heard around the world was probably nothing more than, you know, decades, decades of Will Smith being suppressing feelings, thoughts, issues, psychological stuff, and he just and just snapped or he could be handled to snap me out to be made snap. Well, you know, I can only imagine seeing some of those videos which he didn't play the clips from. But I'm sure there's a lot

more verbal stuff that Jada was was throwing out there. And at that moment, I couldn't even I can't even see where Will Smith is so blinded with rage over previous issues surrounding his relationship with with Jada, that, you know, Chris Rock might have. He's black enough to look like Tupac black. You know what I'm saying? I mean, seriously, it don't you think that you just like you go blind with rage and you just see a black man and it's like, that's the laughter the laugh laughter that did it.

Yeah. Laughter for me. It was a that's enough. No, you're right. No, no, it was double laughter The laughter about the joke. Then when he slapped him. There was laughter but what I got to do to get some respect. And that's when he threw out the keep my wife's name. Ouch. EPEN mouth. That's an excellent point. Adam. That's an excellent point. The laughter laughter the double laugh holy mo Okay. Well, thanks, MO. This is this is. Now I have something to talk to the kids about. You want to know

what's up? Come up on grandpa's knee. limitary. Back to podcast. Let me tell you about Will Smith. Let me tell you what's

really going on. Too many coincidences for me Q incidences, indeed, Q incidences? Well, thank you. Thank you so much for this that that this is I've been waiting for this one. I had no idea it was going. And I'm even more baffled at the end. But have clarity. And I love talking with you about this particular topic. This was a lot of fun for me. It was a lot of fun for me too, because you filled in a lot of gaps with your Hollywood experience. And with that said,

as I always say, pay attention to everything. And the truth

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