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More facts with Adam curry from May 4 2022. This is episode number 80. And concerning today's date may the fourth be with you. I'm Adam curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country and FEMA Region number six and it's time once again to spin the Wheel of topics from here to Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on the other end the ever inevitable I'm trying to fill up the space because I know it'll sound really cool if I can stretch it all the way. Yes,

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episode number 80. Well, Moe knows because he chose it for us expertly are dying because of misinformation. Yeah, people are dying because of misinformation. Yes, information. Yes. Information. We're seeing huge information platforms. Change hands. Yeah. It looks like one political party is on the full attack. Or even not even the party is the the two wings right, the one we were talking about before the pizza party, and Maga and there's a new wing,

I guess a magnet called Dark magazine. So we might even talk about that. But Well, I haven't heard of the official dark Maga wing. Oh, yeah. I will say this caution. Whoever using that term. It could be another light. You know, they may loop you into this. This is saying that. You know how I feel about groups? Yeah, alert. Warning. Danger. Will Robinson pay attention. You never know what could be you behind the curtain? Exactly. So I guess the main thing we got to get into with Elon yay.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk has reached a deal to buy Twitter for about

$44 billion regulators and shareholders still need to approve the sale before it can go through. But Musk is on track to own the social media giant sometime this year. So for more than on the set we want to bring in Dan Patterson to join us to give us a little more clarification. So Dan, great seeing you Twitter's sort of resisted Musk's earlier attempts to buy the platform, though, I guess when no one else is asking you to dance because I don't think there were any other

people. Nobody else knows why. It's hard to resist. What happened? Why did things change? I didn't even know Twitter was for sale. It's good to see both look in a word money. So Twitter's board and other executives close to the firm and appeared last week to kind of rebuffed Musk's offer but that's what happens in public what happens in private, very different story. Look, there just wasn't competition. There weren't a lot of other

suitors here. There's talked for a brief period of time that maybe Cisco would step in, or another very wealthy individual, that all seemed to be a lot of noise. There just was no one else with the capital and the desire to buy Twitter, like Elon Musk, much like the real world. When it comes to buying Twitter. Elon had very few peers. Well, I'm not sure what would you like my opinion of Elon Musk now or later? I have to let people know I haven't listened to the no

agenda show just for this reason. So I don't know how you feel about the whole Twitter thing. How it was received by the you know, there's two wings. So this is all new to me. Oh, good. Good. Well, because I have my story much tighter now. So good. All right. Um, what did you make of this purchase? Well, the purchase is not complete the Purchase will be

complete has to be completed before October 24. And, and that's what I find most interesting where there have been seemingly some changes already to things happening or people being let back on even though this is the purchase is not done, there's a breakup fee on both sides. If Ilan can't, or if he walks away, there's a billion dollar breakup fee, if Twitter goes with another suitor, then they would also pay

a billion dollar breakup fee. So knowing how these things go, and that now due diligence is taking place, I'm of the opinion that all these extra followers people saw were bots that were let you know Unvanquished on and on no unbanned in order to show in due diligence that they have the number of users that they claim they do. So I see that a lot more pragmatically now about Elon Musk himself have been very vocal, I think he's the Kim Kardashian of tech. He's not an inventor, he's not that

brilliant. He does have a whole vibe, which works works really well with money raising, and particularly when you're working with government, all of his business is either subsidized directly or paid for through invoice by the by the US government. He is Skylink is clearly a military project. So I only see a game for him by having Twitter, not for the advertising model that kind of is doing now poorly. But for the value of of how he will fix Twitter, which is very simple.

He will force everyone to authenticate and verify themselves with your driver's license, social security number, whatever will be required, you know, so called KYC know your customer. And that is how you combat bots. And that is how you at least bring a conversation back into civil discourse. Because you know, if you slander someone, then your name is known. And you can be reported and you can get into trouble. Now this will and this was my prediction from early on, this

will ruin Twitter. So Elon Musk will ruin Twitter no matter what. But the platform will become a part of the grid, that that the US government is spinning around its citizens and the globe. I find it fascinating that the guy that the so called anti establishment party is going to save him is the guy that wanted to put chips in your brain like that. And I didn't even get to that I didn't even get to that part. I'm just saying just notice how weird this is. They think the

Savior is the guy that wants to put a chip in your brain. Now he says voluntarily but still, I found that fascinating. Yeah. Oh, that you know, the anti establishment party is looking for most are billionaire to save them. And that guy just so happens I has, you know, the brain chips and also predictive programming at play here Mo and you know, the whole Iron Man, the, you know, exactly our point here. You know, all of that is it's predictive programming. It feels

good. It's enhanced. And it's, and I gotta tell you, there's something magical about fame and power and certainly wealth. You know, he is touted as the richest man in the world. I'm not sure that's entirely true, but that's kind of how we seen and of course, and I'll tell you why I'm saying this because I was on the way to get a box fan at Walmart of all places. And as I'm driving Fox News, I usually scan between different things with Fox News cuts off Sheila Jackson Lee, which normally I'm

like she does actually is pretty annoying. But you know, she was talking about some relevant stuff. And that could hurting her long Okay, we gotta go. We gotta go. Why? Because they had to switch to Amber herds testimony against Johnny Depp. And, and but they went uninterrupted, no commercial. I sat in the parking lot for 20 minutes. And, and I'm and I'm sitting like, and I'm realizing that wow, this is incredible. Who gives a crap about these two people, compared to even Sheila

Jackson Lee has something more relevant to a news channel. But I also caught myself saying, this is riveting. I love listening to this. This is fantastic. They understand yes. And that it gets it and that's it. And that's what Elon Musk brings to the table. He brings some of that mystique that anybody can get wrapped up in. Right. So I guess let's go ahead. I'll unveil what I think about the whole situation. But um, oh, I got to do it in three minutes and you're gonna take

three hours with clips. Okay. All right. Way to go man. I brought a knife. center a rubber knife and a compass to a gunfight here. Let's see. So the funny thing I found out was that was on the other side, that people this anti billionaire started begging for this quote unquote white knight to come save the precious Twitter. And it was so disgusting to hear these people like, oh, there's gotta be somebody they've got, you know, they were just just putting off kind of pressure. Yeah, I

thought who was stepping in? I'm just telling you who I thought man he stepped in is either the guy from the Mavs. Um, what is the name? I just drew a blank. The player from the Mavericks? No, no, no, no, no, the owner. Um, oh, Cuban, the Democratic Trump Yeah. Cuban, democratic Trump. Um, so I thought he will might step in. I don't think he has that kind of money, though.

But I thought he would be the perfect guy to step in. And one of the things that really irritates me, this makes no sense that no one else is even making an offer. It would complete so many businesses complete profile blinked in. I mean, there's so many different companies that would that would, they could totally make it work in their current business model. But no one's stepping up. And that's telling to me. And let's just go ahead and get into number three. So we can

hear those people begging. This is Jim Cramer, wide range of opinion about what's going on right now. best and final means no negotiation. Well, Brad Taylor represents the shareholders. You can't just say, hey, you know what, we'll take it. You can't that's not fair to the shareholders. And I think we keep an all the

coverage this morning. I have not heard about the shareholders getting protection from Elon, he can steal the company, even if he has thinks he has a better idea that just get him to be able to take the company. So I've left out is I'd like to ask David, because I think this is really important, David, there's a fiduciary duty of the board. And they cannot abdicate just because they got the best and final deal. This is not a piece of real he's not buying a house here.

Jim, I think you're right on the key. The key question that's come up any number of times already in the calls that I've had this morning, best and final, the use of that term, which we rarely, if ever see, certainly in an unsolicited bid of this nature and the initial unsolicited bid. You use this term in the UK and you're stuck with it. That's it. Here of course, given its musk in particular, there is a level of unpredictability that we all know is quite high.

Well, I don't think this board is taking that short term review. By the way, David, if I were if I were advising the sport, I would say there may be personal liability if they agree to this. This is one of those where they literally are not doing their job. There's no fiduciary responsibility if they just say you know what, we take it, David that opens them up and you remember, there are times when individual individual directors are opened up for a level of lack of fiduciary that

I think crosses the line this crosses the line. Yep. Hey Carl, it's erratic it's erratic behavior. It's not what people expect that serious board it's not a hack board. A lot of people felt that he controlled his own board made me thinks that that's what they've got here. They have no choice but to

reject it. I think they can say look we're open to all offers but beyond that Quarrel if they say we accept their phony Alright do you mean ever heard this this amount of begging when we're asked to the bizarreness of it is that the money guys don't want to make money every everybody stand like to walk out missing and walk away from this deal like fat cats but it's HELL NO IT'S THE GIFTS your gifts your you know basically morals the sale to him don't make money in you just heard it with Jim

Cramer in so right there you're seeing the different agendas one would be and that's all and I think this board is probably very

political. I know a few people who are on the Twitter board and you know it is without a doubt the megaphone of the world is where you can gain traction is where you can get where you can get stuff done where you can influence elections is all kinds of stuff going on but that's why it's so truly unbelievable is that as in I cannot I almost cannot believe that no one else wanted to buy this for that reason and that reason alone

I don't think it's as valuable to them as it is to him. That's why he put such a big number on it well because the way I look at it is if they buy it, they're just gonna run it the same way it is where him buying it. You know, he can take the counter narrative you know, it's not Yeah, major one of their pieces but it's not It worked for them to save it. Well, so we're parallel. So so I'm just going to state again, I don't believe that Elon

Musk gives a crap what it's being used for. Other than you don't you don't think so? No, hate? No. I do not believe he is Mr. Free Speech and I'm going to equalize the world. Oh, no, I don't believe that at all. And that's not his motivation. You got to make me see you got to make me jump out of order just because of this. Um, let's go down to number five. Let me explain. I think Twitter is the AP. Well, I agree with Twitter

is the news machine generates news. I agree. And he you now he has his hand on that button to say, I could control what ever I want to be pushed. It's very so he can me he can but I don't believe that's why he's buying it. That's I don't think that's the reason. I think that's exactly why he's buying it. And like I said, there was no number big enough mining right now he when he goes to negotiate, like, Is Trump coming back? Yes or no, you

know, what can be talked about? And just think we got the whole COVID-19 thing. Nobody wants to talk about that. I've heard nobody talk about once they let people get back on there, and it will talk about COVID and could talk about it freely. Because remember, that was the whole point of oh, man, if you know Moe, he he will everyone will be will be allowed to speak freely, you will be able to say whatever you want. Anybody, Trump won't come

back, guaranteed he's not going to come back. He knows what's up. He knows what this is about. He's not going to come back. You want to come back anyway. I mean, so I'm in because it would kind of shoot is what he's trying to do in it.

That's, as far as I'm concerned. That's a failed idea he has over there. Yeah, I'm just saying he can't, you know, failed. Now it failed. It failed. And he's incorrect. Because look, Tina is she loves all this stuff. So she and she, she is my canary in the Twitter coal mine. And so she finally gets on to social. And she logs in, and then you know, and so there's a lot of people on there, but it's still a problem, onboarding, it's iOS only, etc, etc. Then I say so what do you

think says it's boring? I said, Why is it boring? So it's because there's no no lib tardes to fight with? Exactly, exactly.

know, I know that whole point of mourning. What I'm saying is, that will be allowed, but it's not going to be the same because it will be mo fax and Twitter will know your real name, where you live, we'll know how to send lawsuits, tort, libel, slander, all of that he is the ad that what he's got he is he's not I'm agree with you if he takes that model, because Twitter is not broken. That's the thing about it Twitter's not, it was not broke my literal

words, Mo my literal words, he's going to break Twitter. That's exactly what I say. If he does that, then he is not right at all. I mean, because it works perfect. For the exact reason you said it's like the battleground is the turf, you know, in. If I'm thinking that he's smarter than me, then I would say, okay, he understands

like he controls all the knobs now, on what the conversations can be. And that's why everybody was losing the crap in the media, it was all about now is because let's go and go to the number five, and listen to how the AP is structured. And then we will probably better understand what how I see him utilizing Twitter. Our reporters are traditional reporters in the sense that they want to come up with stories that a lot of people are going to read. But

sometimes we're giving you stories that are important and and relevant, that aren't necessarily big traffic drivers. And so the reporters at AP I think have the have the have a little bit of a barrier, a cushion between them. And you know, someone who's saying you need to come up with a bunch of stories that generate clicks or you know, you're out of here. I think that's that's one way that we benefit from the AP structure where we are providing news content to two clients like

Yahoo News and The Huffington Post and others. It's, it's a big sort of growing area of it's the fastest growing area of revenue generation, for AP, the serving serving these digital clients. So I think that that it helps that we are we are a b2b in that way. Yep, that's Ha ha see him using Twitter is being interested in

putting the AP out of business, because he will be able to control whatever stories surface. And by him being able to do that. Then he Okay, everybody has beholding to him. You see, I'm saying I see what you're saying. I just have a different opinion. But I'm open to listening to your argument. Yeah, in look at all the political implications. So I just wanted to lay that out. That's how I see him how he

valued value the company, when he got his number. And I think $44 billion, is kind of cheap to be able to control the narrative. Because as we know, if we watch local news, that's where the memes, make it, jump off the internet and make us a local news. That's a successful rollout of a narrative. You know, that's that's the goal to make it to the local news net,

30 minute block that they have an afternoon in the morning. And he controlled the source of what all you've been talking about this how they only go on social media to look for stories to talk about. And that's it. So he really controls I mean, the American media are good portion of it might sound hyperbolic saying like what hyperbolic, but no. If if it was left the same? Yeah, look at lives look at lives to tick tock. Oh, right. Net right now Twitter controls, all messaging and all

memes. And we know this, we know that. Now, in hindsight, of course, we have confirmation that the Hunter Biden laptop was real, and that contributed to an possibly the changing of an outcome of a general election in the United States. So absolutely, yes, that power? Well, he doesn't. So he doesn't have it. He doesn't have. Okay, if the deal closes. Now. Now, I'm with you on this. I'm not, you know, hi. I'm very skeptical. I was kind of like,

was it? Brexit? And things like that? It's like, I won't believe it is you're saying that it's signed, sealed and delivered. But I'm just saying what he how he valued the company. I think that's how you looked at it. Because if you can flip that switch. I mean, we were just talking about pizza gate, what it did for 2016. On the last show, right? I mean, we've you let these memes really flow. It's very dangerous now. We're going somewhere with this. So let's go ahead and get into for

stop it. We know Yeah, we stopped being Yeah, for just go back to for now.

So Dan helped me understand what is Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter mean for the platform? And, and, you know, it's interesting to me, I know that there are people on there are conservatives and Republicans who are celebrating this and there are liberals and people on the left who are you know, running around scared out of their minds about what this could potentially mean? I find that fascinating because, as as Kara Swisher pointed out on CBS mornings this morning, the

majority of people are not on Twitter. I as I've been saying for a long time now, I only know people that are in DC or in the media bubble or people who like to make a lot of noise that are on Twitter. I don't know anyone in my family. And I have a lot I have teenage you know, my nephews or teen boys you know, preteens and you know about to go to college. They're not on

Twitter. They think it's for old people and insiders. So So explain to me the strategy here and why you see the consternation or things liberation from some in the political sphere. But Twitter is for old people an insider's look, that's reality. Twitter is not the largest social network in the world, but it is, at least in our world, it's the most influential its most important social network what Musk really bought was just like we had a celebrity president now we have celebrity

CEOs, he really bought himself influence and power. So it doesn't really matter that Twitter isn't the biggest social network in the world. That's not what the competition is the competition that Elon is in is for influence it's for power it is to make himself the most buzzy CEO in the world and he did that by buying Twitter.

Yeah, that seems to be a general consensus that he also he was bored he had nothing to do he wanted to do that he put he put some of his Tesla in some light to moderate risk by doing this financing you know not only that but this the reputation reputation right I think it's if somebody you're saying comes out what another Evie the government you know will be willing to work with him more Elon? Yeah. Especially since he's an anti with anti Tesla and who's gonna stand lit who's and it's all about

narrative, right? Well, look who makes your car but also, I think he opens itself up to that. Also threat The European Union is in the process, which you never know exactly how it works. But it's I guess it's kind of already there, the of passing the Digital Services Act, and they have made very clear that Oh, under Elon Musk, don't worry, man, we're gonna cut you off. There'll be no Twitter in Europe

if you don't follow our rules. So there's all kinds of things that are going to make life very difficult for him, which again, leads me to not believe that this is about a power play for

him. I have a clip that I did not that I played on no agenda, John couldn't hear it. So I stopped it. I want to play it for you see if you can hear this is Jack Dorsey was a big conference, a Twitter conference. And he dials in Elon on video conference. And first he makes a joke. Like if you use like he said, Hey, Elon, hey, Elon, how you do it? If you are running Twitter, it says, Would you like to run Twitter? And you have joke joke joke? Is this from 2017 or something or 2019?

A couple of years ago, and then Elon is very clear what he would do to fix Twitter. And hopefully, you'll be able to hear it, you might have to adjust your your Volume and Volume stuff your ego was given some direct feedback, pretty what are we doing? poorly? What can we be doing better? And what's your hope for our potential as a as a service? Can you hear that? Yeah, he's like, he basically wants to critique Yeah. Okay, here we go. You're running Twitter. By the

way, do you want to run Twitter? What would you do? I think it'd be helpful to differentiate between real and real diversified, like a real business, a real person, or a botnet or a sort of troll army, or something like that. So maybe there's like you said, what are the comments from BCIT tell if the feedback is is real, or some of the time and a big system or probably will probably manipulate the system? So some

way to differentiate between? This is a real person versus a mistake, someone kind of just gave up in the system. So I don't know if you could hear that. But what he keeps coming back to the same thing, who's real or not? Yeah, if you his fix, and it's a real fix. It is, is to it? Look, Twitter already has the verified badge, right. So now everybody will have to be verified. And when you log in, you will have to

authenticate. And you'll have to authenticate in some manner that shows is not your secretary or your brother or you know, an imposter. But it's really you and that will remove 95% Of all the problems of Twitter. And I think it removes 85% of the fun. I'll about saying that because if everybody gets a blue badge then exactly what what good game is over you remove the how do we get this blue check kicked off

Twitter? I mean, that's the game that is the game or how do we how far how tough am how far can I go? Exact right. But I think that so let's but for purposes of your preparation, I'm willing to go with any theory at this pocket. Not so um, so I guess we need to get into the for a free speech. Good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes, there is almost no

more contested phrase in American and free speech. In fact, freedom of speech has been well contested for millennia, since the ancient Greeks first introduced the concept at least in the Western canon 2500 years ago. And of course, the first amendment to our Constitution protects freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and in practice, well, it gets pretty

complicated. As legendary reporter ag Livelink wrote in the New Yorker 1960 quote, freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one pretty smart thing to say it's carried on for decades, because we are now seeing that exact principle play out before us. This act of desire to own a press to control for the press, from some have the right to control who gets to speak and how under the guise of free

speech. That is what the celebration of billionaire Elon Musk buying Twitter is all about. Twitter, it's an Elon Musk's hands, can you believe it count this one as a victory for free speech and he may in fact save the town square that could turn out to be a pivot point in our history. Elon Musk believes in free speech he thinks everyone should be allowed to talk people should be free to say what they want to say without just been shut down,

silenced and cancelled. Just because it doesn't fit what their far left narrative. They want everyone to be free to say what they want to say. Even if in the case of Donald Trump, they use the platform to incite it. Have a riot like Trump did before yeah kicked off Twitter but okay, fine. Yeah, this I love I love all these examples and then this Pooh poohing of the concept of free speech. I certainly left leftist media is really funny. And then the the exuberance in

the overjoyed nature of of right wing. Oh, it's Elon Samia Joe Rogan, we had an orgasm. He's like, Oh Elon, he's gonna save us like, oh my and, and Joseph buddy, I gotta call him out on that I gotta, I gotta call Joe is two camps on the and I'll just say the anti Democratic side or anti liberal side is that one camp is just they're happy to see Twitter not they're happy to see people so upset over the acquisition of Twitter or the potential acquisition of

Twitter. And they don't really believe in Elon themselves. But it's like yes, they say oh, it's a part it's a part of the game it's like you're playing Call of Duty and all sudden they changed the game and your fate and your team's favor.

Right and NASA exactly what the symbolism of it Sure. But that's what makes it even more more bizarre is the counter narratives that that people are going against their own talking points you know not everybody is ready to stop on a dime of growing their own I'm gonna not say everybody but the people who say Oh, we need to go build our own we need to have our own we need to have our own space where we can say we want to say right now to Elon, quote unquote captured that piece for them

they're ready let's run back to Twitter. Yeah, well the mastodon was up Mastodon usage increased a lot

with with a lot of a lot of people who are definitely leftist which is kind of fun. But you know, it's like, that was exactly what they scoffed at. With, with Maga. Yeah, I was like, we'll go build your own then you've fools. Go see if that works. And it doesn't it doesn't work. I mean, that's the funny thing about it. It doesn't work it won't work for right it won't work for left. That's why I find it fascinating. The whole this whole thing so we got to keep keep the ball rolling. Alright,

we jumped over. We already did find the most important part about Twitter, Black Twitter, we had to talk about it. This is the this would show the real, how deep it went. Because like, like, maybe an hour after the news broke. La Townes wrote an article talking about Elon Musk, Elon Musk, kill Black Twitter, you know, that kind of thing. And that let me know how valuable this acquisition is our potential acquisition it to to the 2020 2024. You know, as you know, they build these political

campaigns out years and years in advance. Nobody accounted for Twitter even being allowed to say some of the things that black people have been saying this thing you thought Black Twitter represented not I mean, like black thought, for the average person when they went on Twitter before you met somebody like me, because I'm not in Black Twitter. I was I will never let me be. I wasn't I wasn't getting any Black Twitter. The algos were not showing it to me like skip this guy.

But you got a second or third hand so you will hear about it Black Twitter in the mean of course. Yes. It was even more sanitized. Yeah. True. So that's true. But that's everybody thinks so first Okay. Let's go let's go back so we got Tiffany cross here him and I'm using a lot of MSNBC personal reasons MSNBC NBC, this the hardest, you know the hardest for suckers. They were really hurt. Yeah. Tiffany cross here with Michael

Harriet. On where he's white white people ologists on literally white people ology Raymond, who's that why people ologists PRP, we go to his own website website.

It's Michael airy, H A. R R i OT. Michael Harry. You think I'm kidding? And he said the definition is a professional who has specialized specialized knowledge in the field of Oh, yeah, it's a world renowned white pathologist. Right. What is the word? See what is this? People People ologists I mean, why might be apologist white people? Well, it's it's slang. Yeah, it's slang. It's not Yeah, it's a black person. Yeah, black person who studies white people. or white?

Yeah, yeah, like, official definition on the website, I had to set this up because so you can hear what you're hearing, who has specialized knowledge in the field of Caucasian culture, including the political, economic and social habits of white people in their history? I'm glad he knows me. So well, I can't I can't wait to hear what he makes me. Number six. Talk to me about what you think this means for Blackstone are now that Elon Musk has taken over the platform?

Well, you know, I guess we'll wait to see because we kind of don't even know if Elon Musk will really purchase Twitter I'm in. Like, we were talking about like Twitter and social media. In general, we have to remember that it's not just like, black people are cool. And that's why they went Twitter. You know, first of all, like, black people will hold three of the nine patents that created the personal computer and the cell

phone. And so like, our intellectual property, is what drives these, you know, biases and the phenomenon of cultural media. And I don't think that's that Elon Musk can stop that, because he needs those black voices, Twitter dozers high without us right, and, and they hire black creators to kind of drive it toward. So they know that the valuation of their company because you know, we can get into a conversation about how the valuation of all of these companies, yes.

Did he say that Twitter was hiring black creators? Yes. Just to kind of drive it toward. So they know that the valuation of their company because you know, hey, yes, Where's our money? Where's our check? Twitter? No, no, no, no. No, never ever be clear. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. You're just messing realization about how the valuation of all these companies, yes, some imaginary numbers.

I say you're worth 3 million, you know, yeah. But if it is worth something, yeah, then it is because of the Black Twitter are the black voices that drive social media? Yeah. And you know, there are other communities on Twitter also, like the trans community, on Latino community on Twitter, a lot of different communities on Twitter trying to, you know, create movements there.

You always got to tie back in and that goes to show you, wherever Black Twitter goes, all those groups that you listed after it, there's like that Black Twitter, the mama duck. Yeah. And all the other little groups, the trans, every other group like that has to stay. They have to all work together. Because the foul of quote unquote Black Twitter, that's why I'm working as 80 episodes already. I've been working with you. My only mission is to get Black Twitter

to podcasting. 2.0 That's all I'm in it for mo as you heard him say they hire people Twitter hire bait. No, yes. Sadly, sadly, we don't have any money to hire anybody. And just think I mean, you are what we do is not taking one side or the other, that'll never be popular, no matter what the

platform is. True. This like now, half the people are upset because you're not you're saying taken out of the hopium Oh, Elon, by on Twitter, you know, and then the other half maybe like, you know, it's not, you know, um, it's, it's really, it's really interesting in the past two and a half years, because I do think I'm pretty much I mean, I, my personal thinking is more conservative than liberal. But,

you know, I can I can objectively view things. It's just, it's so often so obvious, where we're where things are, where the right side is. But when it gets personal to someone, everyone's always laughing until it gets personal.

Yeah, so everybody was everyone laughs about all the jokes and COVID and everything, but then all of a sudden, if it's about Ukraine, and I'm saying, Yeah, okay, we've seen this movie before, you know, in fact, literally, we I saw this in the video game and you know, not all not all of this is real, then people are like, wait a minute, I'm in Finland, this is pretty close by you know, Russia is right here. And you guys just not funny, man. That's not so I'm used to that. That's how it

goes. But luckily, a mature adult people cool down and come back. And that's no place for Twitter. because Twitter is the bar you know, you go like you always wonder why all the games with that one bar. It's like, have a bar fight. It's like that's why you go there. It's 10 o'clock. Yes, that's you want to go get some scalps you know, and that's that's both sides that you know, the screenshot or somebody blocking you or you know, that kind of thing just just to even say goes and now vernacular.

It's it's a super are fun game. It really is I and my wife, she's good at it. I love watching her play the game. And she knows she's playing the game. Especially when you get one hooked. When you get one hooked for years, I wasn't. I wasn't like back in, like 23 Super troll. I was super troll so when you get one hook, it's no rush like it to see how many replies you can get out. Understand, troll mo I had no idea.

But that's why Trump did it. Right. You know, just this is what this screenshot is this is what the you know, what they call quote unquote, the clap back, which is why I can't understand why Trump doesn't see that this is a failed idea. A true social. No, that's that's the layer. That's that's where you go and compare scouts. Yeah. Yeah,

but it's good. It's not it's not what he wants. Yeah, I understand is that but you know, yes, exactly what you know, you can go back to 4chan or Mastodon or whatever, you know, there's a lot of places you can go and look at your scalps but the scalp look in places not where the action is, and troll Trump's needs. He needs the action. And that's never gonna get him the action that that he wants. That he will never be the bar. No, no, no, yeah, you can never go back.

So I mean, that's where these little pocket things are going to be your true social, where you can go back and show off your where's my Oh, God, blah, you know, saying true social, we know that kind of thing. And then you come back to Twitter. And then the great thing about it is now we you can, if he buys it, and he used it option, well, we might ban you when not forever. So let's count now. It's like it's like a prison sentence. Yeah. You get an extra life. You get an extra life you can

reread. That's right. That's what it is. Yeah, sure. I can see all that. Yeah, totally. But no, that's it. So well. Now we got to get into the background

of what Black Twitter is because like I said, I've never my brand of thinking is not welcomed there. For various reasons. And it's a very you have this was just go ahead and get two witnesses, I think from PBS. Say it loud. And this is the reason why hashtag Black Twitter exists. And it's totally awesome. Alright, everybody, we just heard what happened. And we have a 62nd window to react before another thing happens in the news. You create a hashtag that is scathing, culturally relevant

and hilarious all at the same time. You remix the footage so that it becomes a meme reference more than the original source material. You patrol all news outlets so that when they speak of this day, they call us by name, and you get someone fired. You someone like, like shake it on LinkedIn, you know, I fire me. Luck. We'll give you a quick rundown. But we're not here to convince anyone that Black Twitter exists if you know, you know, we want to explore why it exists. And what happens both

online and IRL. When culture and connectivity collide. Stay well. As far as black, Twitter's origins go. Here's what we found. In February 2009, about three years after the platform's creation, the term first appeared in Google search volume index. That just means that someone somewhere try looking it up enough times that Google started tracking that particular search. And October 2009, Pew Research Center reported that black Americans use Twitter more than the other demographics polled.

And in November 2009, writer Cory SICA published a short blog post titled, What were black people talking about on Twitter last night, in it, he revealed his obsession with the unique way black users use hash obsession. Obsession. And I've always stated that I think we're the that's the that the real value that we bring to America is the our influence on culture. I mean, you hear in music, you hear you see it, you're saying you see hands down, hands down,

hands down, no argument. So that you take that and you can weapon around, weaponize that around or utilize that around a hashtag look at a Das. I mean, we're not talking about a das always have to let people know that hashtag and the power that it had and seeing the Democratic Party's stamp. It was so powerful. It was so powerful they had to classify it as Russian bots and Master fear. And this is the fear that you hear from who was

that? Tiffany? Tiffany cross and Michael Harriet, right? This is the fear, like, Oh, now we can't, we can't silence all the black people, just like, you know, if you want a real cross section of, quote unquote, blackness, YouTube is a far better source than Twitter. Because they control what hashtags and I've seen it, I've seen hashtags be suppressed, and I've seen them be amplified. Um, and this is a great control mechanism, when you talk about activating going back to

politics, to activate, you know, look at Black Lives Matter. And that was a hashtag. And what, correct me if I'm wrong, but did

hashtags exist before Twitter? No hashtags were a, excuse me, I follow this very closely. Because I was there. Hashtags were an invention by the users of Twitter. And they just kept doing, you know, hash mark, which I'm not quite sure who coined the term hashtag. And that was just something users were doing. And then Twitter, finally, I was like, it was too easy. Well, two years into it.

And people were taking big ownership of the platform. This is the genesis of Twitter, which is not often discussed, but it was very open, any developer could go in and create an app or create a different version, or, you know, you had these scheduling things, which you can still use today. But you could view Twitter in a different way. Just up there was really an

interesting platform. So people took ownership. And then when the hashtag was finally recognized by and by Twitter, itself, and then they made it searchable by hashtag, etc. That was, you know, that was kind of a very cool community thing that that Twitter had done, recognizing that the users had contributed to the platform and built that out. It was it was quite astonishing.

And it's still and you got to remember, like, how, like, old I am, in a way, but I look at the hair segments to see pounce on, of course, kids or young adults. Now understand that, like, I mean, because like that was one of the symbols on the phone. Yes. Bottom Right. Bottom Right. touchtone pad. Yeah. So how engravement is we talk about memes and you know, symbolism

that, you know, that's ingrained in us. So, there were there were jokes at the time, I recall, comedians making jokes about you know, how the pound sign had been transformed to the hashtag. Yeah, I can't tell any of the jokes. But that's how culturally significant it was this change was created this and for they're saying the quote unquote, black community, and it allowed what they call C, Black Twitter is not a place.

It's not really a thing. It's like an energy. You're saying, like something's going on. Everybody is kind of like, what versus what you remember versus Of course, not everybody was locked in and it was COVID. They said, Okay, let's take some of our older black celebrities and let them have like a competition and how natural it was. No, nobody said okay, no big rollout for versus yesterday, you don't television shows or, you know, TV ads, radio ads, it was just kind of like oh, it's the thing.

Oh, well, if I may analyze from afar black America has always communicated through media and hip hop of course you know that that was black CNN and it was obvious to you know, MTV played a role in that but really it was it was more the the original rap battles on the street. It was cassette tapes passing around

playing the shit loud in the car. You know, gang culture plays into that but but communication since it's always been underrepresented in the media landscape communication has always gone to self invented means existing infrastructure yes yeah, whatever there is. Yes, exactly. You party lot from party lines. Yeah, I know. I know this really well. It will mix the two together will you put the telephone with the radio yeah that way to call us to call

me and get you know get the response. Oh my god Saturday night or Friday night everyone listening in their car as like hot 97 equal How you doing? You know and we had this out here. It's totally it's it would total feedback loop very even a shout out. Shout out. The term shout out by itself was invented during the was popularized during the area era of Arsenio Hall, I think, right Shout outs and in the house, these types of things.

So that's this Black Twitter, people may say, oh, what? Blah, no, Autodesk, just it's not not to put no. Because if you run afoul of that energy, you can get cancelled very fast. That's why George Floyd was such a thing. Because you have this image, you had this video. And then they were able to, you

know, channeled that energy successfully. And they ran into the hashtag Black Lives Matter. You know, that hashtag was sitting there kind of dormant in the in between time, but that getting that energy that was got behind the whole George Floyd thing was channeled through Black Lives Matter and gave it life again. So if don't become a hashtag, that's the thing. Like, do not become a hashtag. So I guess we're going to move to part two, and I'm okay, that's that's how I think we stopped it

not. That was eight. Yeah, so Dude, this is part two of the PBS The reason Black Twitter exists. Okay, let's go and get into that. The following year, articles from Slate, the route with alternating opinions, Gawker and NPR all take notice of this phenomenon. Across the platform, about 500 million tweets are fired off per day. So how do individual black people come together to form Black

Twitter, hashtags. That's what made Black Twitter so innovative and disruptive, its members used hashtags to talk about seemingly random, regular, not time sensitive stuff, with such veracity that it would trend since that original Pew Research Center study in 2009, more people have researched what makes the internet such an active place for black folks oftentimes say that, you know, in my sort of research and looking at Black Twitter and young people's use of Twitter,

that they move from kind of power users to powerful users, right and power users, right? Or are people who might use Twitter right at an exceptional rate compared to other populations or segments of the population. But powerful is something different, right powerful and sort of using it in a way to have social

impact. And so in that sense, I think as people began to understand the potential that social media provides in terms of a tool for connecting the two for building a tool for communicating that to for organizing, that they're beginning to understand right, how to be powerful, and not just power in terms of how they use the technology, trending topics, were usually about current events. But you

know, you're black. If Black Moms be like and late night, you ain't hitting it right that Corey referenced in his piece. Were all forms of storytelling as opposed to updates. Okay, so that's, that's the hashtag. And that's a pretty good explanation, actually, that's well done PBS surprise, now know what that was a good one, I found, you know, not to be cringy. But of course, they had to stay with once again,

that's why you hear, you have to stay on message. Because I've said this, a lot of times the conservative they are, their party is created around principles and morals and that kind of thing. The Liberals is more of a coalition of different agendas, and they can step on each other's toes, that's, this is the language that you hear of black and brown, or when they say black, they had to come back with the LGBT trends. It's like,

you gotta give a shout out to the other groups. Because if you don't know you, this is where you see kind of people, you know, looking to, you know, make sure their their agendas or read or their hashtags are read. So I guess we can go ahead and get into not a, I have to say, like black sweater is probably the most robust in terms of engagement. And it's something that so many people have asked me about, what is black sweater wears black

sweater? If you don't know, it's not for you, probably. But I'll ask you this, though. Because I know you're saying like, we can't leave, or we shouldn't leave, because that's where we create change. But I we could go to other platforms to do that. Because I think if he brings opens this platform up to other people, you know, do you want to be entertainment for the white

supremacists that are going to flood this platform? Again, if he's going under free speech, as he suggests, I can't believe what we should be because because because first of all, there are a number this where's this from? This is from MSNBC. It does pretty unbelievable to say, hey, you know, Elon Musk, you know, I mean, what's implied what she's saying is, clearly his skin is fair complexion. So that means it's got to be white supremacist. He's bringing it in.

I mean, he's, he's the great liberator of white supremacy, right supremacist trolls everywhere. Well, that's so racist laid at the premises that are going to flood this platform. Going under free speech, as you suggest, well, I'm not saying No, we can't leave or we should be because because because there are a number of this Black Planet, right? I got on Black Planet because you said you tweeted the answer is Black Planet. This is the most unlikely comeback, but I thought what happened?

You know, Isaac Hayes the third has a whole platform that pays Wow, black creators, right? So so there are a number of platforms like it's not like black people are out here just tweeting and saying we're gonna create our own, we're creating our own. And, and so we can feed that because where we go is where people will go, you know, whether it's music or TV, or all parts of the culture. Yeah. So I don't think that we are like, held hostage by Twitter, right. It's just the most popular black

platform, but when we go will be the most popular plan. Yeah. Okay. So this is very interesting. I was unaware of Black Planet, and I'm seeing it now. Black Panther planets. Oh, that's this. But maybe my late 20s Yeah, but there's a says right here rebooting why re three emergencies. Yeah, there why reboot Black Planet now is rebooting because we recognize that this moment is an opportunity to come together. So it wouldn't ever happen. Well, he can't take your blue chip with you.

Well, that was what I was going to ask intuitively, I'm like, Nope, that's not going to work. I can't explain why. But is there it feels to me like there's the Black Twitter works because of some certain confluence of features that make it work. And I think we could probably define what that is. Hashtag being very important part of it. Why is it possible at all, in your professional opinion? As a person of color? I can't even say it was a straight new comb. I tried to say it with

a straight face. What do you think? Is it possible? I mean, first of all, this, I know, many people have tried with, you know, certainly YouTube, you know, Odyssey they're paying black creators, ultimately, it has to, it has to really, it feels like has to be a grassroots, it has to be a thing that, that just, you can't build this type of thing and say, Oh, this is what black people will need. As far as I don't know why that is. But it is like when tennis shoes, anybody can make a sneaker

right? You go. But Nike will always be Nike because the brand and and then it holds. And you can't blue, check that blue bird. When you for the people that's talking here for that class. Having that blue check, is them saying they making it that's the the crowning achievement of them. And these two things that you didn't point out in that clip, she said, we're going to become entertainment for white trolls.

Her biggest fear is being ridiculed. And this is this, this is why these people don't represent, quote unquote, black people, because they want to be in a safe space, where they can throw things over the wall and not pressure back. Where you know, if you stood on facts, instead of talking points, it wouldn't be an issue because you're saying your your story or your narrative will be airtight. Okay, so I just need to ask you a couple questions. I

think I know the answer. So without a doubt, for Black Twitter, maybe for all black American media, communications, all inter for black communications, because that's really what we're talking about, is how black America has. It's always been through gospel, it's been through blues, it's been through it, you know, predominantly music through, you know, old, spiritual, you know, the whole thing. There has to

be, I believe, an element of danger for it to work. And the danger can be on one hand, you know, we're going to, we're going to lynch you, sorry to use trauma based entertainment. But then there's the digital lynching, which is we know, we

kick you off, Twitter cancelling, cancelling. So I believe that that that in order for the community, but it's the same with hip hop, you know, it's just like, you push the you push the edge, you push the edge, you push the edge until, you know, so that so that you still are on the radio, and you don't get banned from the radio? And do you think that that's true?

Yeah, it has to be some kind of and this is why these apps speak specifically about the the professional, black, Twitter's and the super users and I think on power users, they don't understand like you've been cradled by the establishment. You know, you don't want you notice, nobody wants to smoke with me. And I'm not saying that like that because people don't think like me, because we're based on facts, and you'll get roasted. So it's like, no, we want to stay in our little safe

space right here. But we want to be provocative at the same time. It's this weird thing. They want to be safely provocative. Right? You know, you can't punch me back pain and put on the kid gloves. But interesting. I can. I can throw haymakers at you. And that's why you heard her say we will become entertainment for them. But she but they don't want they don't want a fair fight but she's not Black Twitter. Yo, she is. She see what how can I explain it? Black Twitter is the

accepted blackness by the nurse and tech industry. That technical techno please. Okay. All right. You know, what I'm saying? is not going to ever make it the Black Twitter a Das. You saw what they did to them. Come step up radars? No, no, they said they were trumped they were matte black Maga and Russian bots were Russian mobs, right? That was that was the whole narrative. Okay, all right. All right. Hold on, hold on, back up now. So

Black Twitter. Maybe the hashtag. Okay, I think there's two different because there's got to be a Black Twitter which is where I find mo I mean that that's there, right? It's okay, I give you a perfect sample Black Lives Matter. That's That's how people got it. Yeah, you see things that you're saying? Like they see actual true injustice and then put

black hashtag Black Lives Matter on it. But past Black Lives Matter ink is something totally different underscore dealing with the inks out of Black Twitter doesn't reflect Twitter ink. Okay. So but what but in the beginning before, I believe we have to see how black America influences the rest. And black America in its purest form was using Twitter in a novel way and got a lot going but then as is typical, it was quickly captured because it turned into a safe space for the for the checkmarks

right but it's still a battle out there. We're actually elevated okay, this is your this is your safe. We know you're safe Negro if we use his blue check, and that kind of thing. Now that's what that was was especially when you if you got it came out through the Democrat. I mean, the must not say Democrat if you can't see that. What's the analogy for that? There must have been an analogy in the slave days for the safe negro. That's, I mean, that was the Oh, well. But if you ever seen life

with Martin, yes, of course. Yes. You remember how the black guy was trusted to have the gun? Yeah. Garwin arm himself. Right? It's uh, here. Here you got the gun. I keep them in line. Right? All right. And he would tell him not that nice boss. And I'm not nice to bosses. That's that's kind of how Black Twitter is. You go say something like right now. If you were to go say something on Black Twitter, about you know, stand on what

you were hearing about about abortion is right now. The pushback will be so hard against you if you say anything against trans or I mean even to the point of like, I don't think he like Ziaja wave situation. I don't think you should keep to be transitioning. Or you're not gonna they're gonna come for you. They're gonna call you massage and that's why I say upset just just would never be welcome there. All right, so just one more question. Where is black America

communicating then? Not Black Twitter. But where is the real conversation going on? I tell you to get you the best cross section because you get you go all the way from the Far to the far left in from Marxist to to fascist almost to super modern to super traditional that and that's why that's why people gravitate towards you to the way they do because I was confused him It starts on Twitter wigger swager Black Twitter now known as Twiga way to go

go right. You caught me? No, it started the argument starts on Twitter. Then it goes to local news then it comes to black YouTube for reaction right this is and that's why I said when a meme makes it to local news. That's me it's been successful. That's me. It's ready for this so you had me confused earlier because I really thought oh, okay, Black Twitter is where black America really communicates now I understand what you should do to believe yes.

It worked because let me see what the black folks are thinking Black Twitter Oh, their produce and whatever this is. And this is where the you know, that okay, your Black Twitter Black Twitter is now Malcolm Malcolm Nance going to Ukraine. I mean, that's, that's gonna die. He's going to help fight Nazis. Yeah, I'm shaping that in the net done media meme narrative. You know that because that was how you lay it out in the meme is like, when the black

people start being supportive of ex CIA. Nazi spy, right? I know it's great. Yeah, that'll give zero likes. But that's why shadow banning is so just as you're saying just quickly touch on a topic, because you think you're saying something. But they put a, it's like a dome around you. You're sitting here talking your head off. But that is noisy. Actually, you don't know they're not seeing originally, we call that the Bozo filter. And that's back in

the day way before you were born. on forums, you had a bozo filter, so exactly that someone could be posting like crazy, and saying all kinds of stuff and you just flip the Bozo filter on, and no one would see it.

So hopefully we understand that Black Twitter does not represent Black Twitter represent whatever it is that the book politically, God and socially, you know, by, by the use and by the council culture, you know, and that's why with me, I'll say it again, I would never ever be allowed to give no, be given the boost of the algorithm know, this kind of message. Oh, no, no, I mean, that's it's too. You can you can't box that in once you'd have people start thinking for themselves. It's like, no,

that's very dangerous. Um, let's go ahead get to number 10. We wanted to know exactly how one becomes a member of Black Twitter are the rules or at least consistent practices. So I reached out to my friend Kiana Tipton for help. She has a master's degree in Twitter. Well, actually, my alma mater didn't quite offer Master's in Black Twitter, although sometimes I tell people, I have a master's in Black Twitter. And nobody's checked me on it. So of

course, Black Twitter is not an actual space. And it's also not a homogeneous group where everyone looks the same. Everyone talks about the same things and everyone cares about the same things. I think in order to participate in Black Twitter and to be a part of it, you have to have that cultural competency. Essentially, it mirrors in real life conversations that black people, please tell me this is a white girl, please, please. Oh, she

said, That's too bad. Thought that was perfect. I would have been perfect. Listening to her having. So some of those things are community call and response that is really common in black language. And of course there's humor, and I think both community and Colin response lend itself to that humorous

aspect. It's not all fun and games on Twitter, Black Twitter consistently uses hashtag campaigns to organize around a social or political cause, say her name created in Sandra Bland is on her highlights the often hidden plight of black women affected by political injustice or police brutality. mainstream media's tendency to publicize a victim's most stereotypical photos after an unarmed black person is

killed, sparked if they gunned me down. And of course, black lives matter which is now an international activist organization. Yeah, and if you see remember, she will rise from the last show. Yep. And who they bring in the same one Oscar so white. Yeah, these things like, these are astroturf. I want people to be very clear. These are the ones that somebody picks up the phone calls over to Twitter. Hey, I need you to put some put

some sauce on this one. It's like okay, okay. Yes, boss. And then they are saying they Nobody said Oscar so white, you know, in the way they are they stamp out other ones. And label them is like a toxic kind of thing. So it's, it's controlled now. Do you think that black America understands that this place is being controlled? What percent is all in and thinks this is groovy? Will the average person is not on Twitter. I'll say that. First of all, every black person is not on Twitter.

Right? But it's actually worse because they get the local news version and they just go with whatever is being told. Correct. But they have the reaction to it. And see if it's something that they think might okay, I gave you a great example. Remember, they can't take off. Yeah, right. Yeah, they first been hacked. I was like, okay, yeah, you're saying look at slay, slay it was like it was like it's not crazy, no good.

They surprises they suppress they suppress that they suppress the anti all the anti hashtags about that. They go to play cleanup to wipe clean you know the you know, the original posts just in memory. Hold them for my edification from this clip. a call and response. What is that? Like? Can I get a Hey? Yeah, okay, okay. Oh, oh,

okay. Wow, that's hard to do. And then of course the black humors see if I feel like I can't keep up with that. Well, it's a lot of stuff is based in culture. USA. So you might have lines for movies. That is not the ones you see on trailers. It's like those funny lines. It's not like I'll be back. Ya know? My summer somebody say, Oh, yeah. Um, well, they can by keeping clean though, are my classic damn Gina, does that still work? Or is that no, that's

that's that's a. That's that's a good one. That's a boomer. Boomer one. No, not really. Because the other ones like what's still good? That's still good. No, it's that's crazy. So I was wondering, that will be the catch line from the show. So everybody would know that one. What you're saying if I say you ain't got no job, man, you're saying they know that. Oh, that's talking about Tommy. Just Got it. Got it. This is just a timing thing. And it's also used in my essay. So you

can I get it. Hey, hey, you're late with the Hey, then you're like a half of you. Wait a minute. That's almost that's almost like church though. Churches also, like all kinds of callback stuff. Hold on a second. Yeah. I liked it. Exactly. Right. That's the interaction. You know, that's the one that like I said, that's what makes it the living spirit of it. And that's, I don't know that just people just bring that to the table. I don't care what it is.

Um, we just like I tell people all the time, like the turntable

when they sit down and made the timetable. They didn't make it for scratching. Exactly. What Yes, yes. Scratch Oh, nowadays, like okay, here. And then some I got a really nice turntable. He had, you know, the anti reverse on it. And like, but, okay, right, but But you know, when when Kanye first got the, the Roland 808 Drum Machine, she did shit with it that no one had heard either,

right? You know, now even even a sampler or the drum machine itself was not meant to that was actually so if you didn't have a drummer, you could say to be you played a guitar, you were piano whatever to it. And to the drummer. Got there. Yeah. And it was like, No, we're gonna let me get back. Let me hold there for years and we desperately are. That's our superpower, is to take something and make it. Make it do something that you haven't

seen Tiktaalik tick tock dances. Yeah. This is where it's culture appropriation and Culture Vulture income comes from, but you can have appreciation for the culture. But when you come

in and take it, and the funny thing is we have not these gone on a tangent, but we said okay, take that we just create something else. And we're like, Okay, well, what when you say take it What do you mean it when you mean So okay, so white people are now doing the dance on Tik Tok. That would be taking taking it. Yeah, because they don't bring joy. I know. I know. It's not the same, but But you know, you can't be mad about it. I mean, it's that it's actually a really sincere form of flattery.

We'll take it to music for a second. He's like, Well, you have your favorite band, right? With like Nirvana. Like the people that were day when one Nirvana fans. Like when they blew up and went by, like nucular heroes and celebrity, they will have the same thing. Like, take it. I know, you're gonna make it commercial. I know, you're gonna take the free course and ruin it, you know, you're gonna corporatize it. So

it's like, take it not not like you're stealing something. It's just like, here, like maybe like, like, all music. But that's, that's kind of my point. Is that? Yeah. When when you say well, then then they take it. I'm just saying. That's how culture works. I mean, and America is a beautiful, better place for it. I don't think that's something that needs to be paid back or, you know, look at you know, the turntable came from some white dudes in, you know, actually, you came from a

white dude, Thomas Edison. So it's building building on top of the trigger depart father, when somebody takes your invention and says, We can monetize it. Now, that doesn't bother me that way. No, no, I'm saying like, you know, it's like, it's not meant for that. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. Okay. Yeah, okay. No, that's fair. But but it Yeah, okay, that you got me on that

one. That's a very Good. That's a very good analogy that that gives me something to think about is not meant when you hear somebody does a corporate podcast, you know? It's like, no, no, no, no, it's not No, no, no, that's, that's, that's not you had the right example. Okay. And the right example was trying to monetize podcasting in all these crazy ways. That's the right example. It now for me, I think it's very good example, because I, I'm not mad, I just go. I just shake my

head. Like, it's not gonna work. Good luck with that. And I think that's probably whatever they say. Listen, you can't monetize. To me. No, never come talk to me. Yes, like the guys that write and it's like, but that ever comes out. Right? But but just I just want you to understand that I don't feel like someone took something I'm happy. I'm pleased. I'm just always flabbergasted that no one ever comes to talk to me. But

it's I'm not angry. That I'm just saying that when it comes to a culture and how it's created, and how things are built on top of each other, even if they stray completely from the original intent and idea, I'm okay with that. And I think that that enriches everybody. And it's really just, I just take it from you a little hate, yeah, you're taking our stuff or it's cultural. It's almost like saying cultural appropriation.

That's how it felt when there is there is a cultural appropriation and there aren't cultural voters. Because when you take something, that's why I use podcasting, the people that make these corporate podcasting platforms, they don't care anything about podcasters they don't care anything about podcasting. It's like, how can we privatize this? And it's like, it's not meant for that. Just like what Bitcoin. They're saying, like when people come in

and try to use it for a asset or monetary vehicle. Yeah, okay. Okay, then, we're talking about two different things. That's changing the use versus hip hop, and Eminem. Eminem generally accepted, because he respects the craft, he respects the craft key, but he's not from the culture, per se. But he built on top of it, brought his own culture to it, and I think has

enriched everybody in this in the process. So that that to me is like, so if it's tick tock videos, I think that there are some, some people who do it with with, there's a lot of people who do it with the same vigor the same idea. And there's and then there's a whole section that doesn't that is just laughable. Well, it's some people that do things that are. It's not

appreciation, it's more like a mockery. And that's where that's that fine balance, you know, of how people can make certain movies like Quentin Tarantino, he's allowed to make certain movies because people believe that he does it in an artistic way, where you're saying other people might not be able to get away with it. I'm so glad to be able to point but that's the crux of everything is, are you in it for the appreciation of

it? Are you aiming for a cash grab guy, and that goes, that goes for whatever I mean, we have written by YouTube content creators, in our series, people that want to play the numbers, they don't really care what they talk about. They just whatever the latest story is, you know, I'm gonna talk about it. Because this is this is what you know, is good monetarily.

I really liked this because that, to me, that's the beauty of value for value and the streaming streaming payments, because I want anybody to come up with any crazy idea from any culture, and immediately have a monetization model built right in. So that so that no one has to worry about someone. And and because inherently, I hope all this stuff is completely not at

Brand safe. That's the that's the only good stuff. That's why you know that I think it's perfect for people just, you know, to experiment, the next thing that comes up, we won't have to worry about okay, well, how do we pay for it? Let's bring it let's bring this conversation full circle. Right? Everybody has a number to sell out? How much he's being honest with you. Everybody has a number. Twitter was 44 billion. Like don't get it twisted. They didn't want to say Oh, well,

Elon knew their number. And that's kind of like the same thing. But you know, that's why people get so mad at corporations. Like you gave him a number he couldn't resist. Right? And that was the whole that was the whole Dave Chappelle thing. Like they'll come by me. He'll say like this. He was it was said in jazz, but you know, when they put the 50 million on the table, he knew it was gonna be bad when he signed

it. What is this line? But then luckily, you know, he came to his senses, you know, but that's, that's what they mean by you know, taking something, when you put something on the table where, even when like what the demographic we're talking about now, a lot of these people know better on Black Twitter. But that check is good. The check you're saying it may go and spew their talking points that they do and a good example of that we can get into it's a throwback clip for show 18 This is joy

read which serene Mitchell and this is just show you how they know better, but they'll know do whatever they got to do or sand for the for the bag.

So it's the indication that they are, they are someone who was born in, you know, as as a descendant in the United States, who was representing black America and has the vernacular in the language that people will believe is someone who was a part of our community who is either debating about Camilla or debating about that's just announced, and and trying to say we know who's the most, you know, who's who's black in America and making sure that they're, you know, sort of

talking in his vernacular that makes it look like that they are in American? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I did see a huge uptick in bot activity when it came to when commonly or something just dropped like a bomb. It just happened really quickly. And she was accused of being not, not really black, not Not really. You could see that happening. But actually, there was an uptick of those bots, just before she was about to announce, so they were preparing for her announcement.

Just before you I really love this show, I really appreciate our conversation that we just had was one of the most open, honest racial conversations I think I've ever heard myself, I've really appreciate this. I do too. And that's why there's, you can't you can't make this in a lab, or boardroom. That's, that's why we take an oath of poverty. That's the thing is, and it's not, for me, I don't want to be controlled, and magisters. And just to let it shine some light

in that that was the whole thing with the shot with me. Like, no, you can't have that. He was saying like, there's certain parts of meat. No, you can't have that. You know, and, and it's belief in self. And you heard that in the past clips with us Tiffany cross is like, where are we gonna go? Like, what you mean, where are you gonna go? Either you stay on the platform and you get crappy enough where you dodging the

off? He was saying? Censorship, right? Or are you missing I'll make a stellar product where you're saying people would not be naturally gravitate and love to share it, or you go build your own. But that but that's the thing. They don't they, they want to be handed something and protect it. It comes to price. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, so just getting back to this clip. They know better. They if they're truly tapped in and joy, joy re enjoys Black Twitter, and the support it gives you're saying

hurt. Um, if they knew like they said they knew they were understand, okay, Kamal, it seems like Obama 2.0 And Obama didn't really do anything for us. So that's maybe why some black people are upset were hurt. But just to come out say oh, no, what's worse is Russian bots. That's cost they were told

to saying that MSNBC besides her check, to tell her to say oh, you know what, we're gonna we're gonna push down. I am extremely grateful to joy Reid. Because this very the clip that is what brought Adam and Moe together, right? Because I was struggling with what is this bots and descendants of slavery and I was trying to figure it out and I was talking about it with John it's like I love John but he's not gonna He's not gonna help me with this. And then that's when you reach out to me

and that that you picked up on that hashtag dos? Yeah. See that? That was the net was like no was this refined because we're talking about descendants of American slavery right it's more say they're okay with das Yeah, of course. Yeah, well, yes. reached you. It's like the anus though. That's problematic because that fracture the whole Caribbean and African blood right right you know that we're building it and that's where it that goes to show you the Twitter filter right there is

because you got dogs but you didn't get a DOS Yep. And but if you went and got it from the mainstream media such as this, you will Oh, they're Russian Russian. Well, that's what I that's what I smelled it right away. I'm like, Nah, something's going on. It was this Russian bot shit with a DOS was good. But interestingly, you reached out but also Antonio more. The hashtag a DOS people, right Very interesting.

And the thing was with them, I will just say, not just my critique of the A Das, that downvoting that the DAS didn't meet the litmus test of the people. See, this is the power of like, when you have a true callback, you know, that kind of thing or you, you listen back to the, you know, what the sentiment is, you will say, Okay, this downvote thing that was dumb, but you're saying that just admit to it and get but if you stand on, it's like, well, you sound like you're still

trying to get us to vote. And we don't have that tangible on the table. So that's just going to show you not even organic hashtag can run into trouble if you don't stay true to the message. Okay, so let's go ahead and get to that. Let's go and play 13. And then you're saying, cuz I want you to hear the

talking for people, just enough that clip. But I think it's important to hear them being negative towards things that can only be seen as positive. Because if we know, as we've seen that the the what the ones who are the most valuable to the Democratic Party is black women, we have identified at least five existing campaigns that are focused on getting black people to do only one thing, what we're not know, for the Democrats.

And can you name one of those five campaigns? I mean, we put up from the report that you're saying that this there's a conversation about reparations that has to do with it. There's a criminal justice camp conversation, there's an immigration so on reparations, immigration, and, and sorry, reparations, immigration, and anything that

has to do with the criminal justice system. So the reason that the targeting of Kamala around being a cop is important is because anything that's that hinges on criminal justice becomes a divisive issue. Do you read something? We're out of time? But how can people tell the difference between the real genuine thing of Black Lives Matter and the ones that are just designed to make you not vote? How do you even tell?

You tell by the way, by the by the language that they use most of the time, but if you see anyone who says basically tangibles or you're not getting our vote without us getting something back, you should start to pause and take a better look at what they're saying better look at those those accounts and seeing what they're saying. Come on, Vladimir, MO. I know you're a Russian. bobbies are things you say your vote where you you. Just imagine

I love that. That's you. That's you. They just described you ugly. Thank you. Yeah. And, but I couldn't imagine if they say they're tapping into the sentiment other people like they say they are to say if it says tangibles that's probably about Russia. That's probably about Yeah, that's that's not real. Or we want something for our vote. No, no, no, that can't be that can't be real black person and no. Imagine the mental gymnastics you have to do to make that work

for you in your mind. So speaking next, so we can go now to the second set up I found our second set of clips I found from the route and this is how Black Twitter changed the world. Think back on your favorite Twitter moments of the past decade.

I got beans grains, potatoes, tomatoes. Why you always what did they all have in common? Today's baggage, Black Twitter. Where do politics memes? Black culture and activism come together online? You guessed it. Black Twitter, Slack Twitter is Twitter. It's the congregation a community. Heck, I'd argue that Black Twitter is the most poppin space

on the internet. What What kind of legacy has it created? Now we're gonna find someone who's an expert in all things black yachting Professor merited the clocks, pretty much a Black Twitter ologists people try to juxtapose Black Twitter versus let's say mainstream twitter or just Twitter. The assumption that they're making is that white users and the people who created Twitter are the default. And so whatever white users are doing, that is mainstream or regular Twitter, and we know that that

just isn't so black. Twitter makes Twitter what it is, it is what drives the Pipi conversations. I'd love to see numbers I'd love to see because I think that there's also a Latino Twitter a French Twitter a German Twitter I mean, there's all kinds of Twitter's that we don't see which are segregated. Well see here's the thing. Every one of those groups you name are equally district Read Across the left right political spectrum. Or at least Gotcha. Yeah, already, you're saying 3070 6040

That kind of split. The fact that this is where I'm saying black people the fact that it's a code, you know, it's a it's an unwritten code or how you know, okay. No, we'd look out for each other that kind of thing. And then you factor that in with that code has been hijacked and weaponized and and also put it politicized. This that if you don't agree with this, if you don't say if you don't like Obama, if you don't like you know what their fill in the blank, you ain't black, like the

Joe Biden thing. Yeah, well, for me, you ain't black. So that's why I think he's more stringent. And then the fact that is manufactured to be that way. Because just like my whole point of Twitter itself, being AP, Black Twitter is the black journalism. It's the black AP. Yeah. So that's how they are and they're very influential. Got it? Yep, makes soap and is not only influential to 2022 and 2024. See case? They said that Black Twitter is the most impactful or whatever worse

use on their own. No, no, you black YouTube is telling you because you get a far more balanced nursing distribution. And you find that you are on sides with other people standing with people that you might not on certain topics, but other topics you can hear from them. Right? It's a whole it's a whole different system. It just works completely differently. Yet they have a common algo of recommending and that and that's that works really well. Okay, I

understand. I'm down with it. Yep, I got so black. Twitter is black. Twitter is also the most manipulated part of Twitter. Always. It's man. It's a real voice, we refined narrative. And I'm going to give you a sample of the three we might want to have listen all three, but I just want to hear you see how example of a rogue hashtag and how it was handled by Black Twitter. And this is went back going back to 53 show 53. And this was the hashtag blame black men

also want to talk about black men today. Hi, Laurie. Hi, love black. Very lovely. One of my favorite topics. Hold on some of my best friend, a black man, for instance, like Jamel Hill tweeted something out. And I think it's time for us to have a conversation. We've been I've been nibbling around the edges of this conversation. We don't have it today. So Jamel Hill. She said, she tweeted this yesterday. I've increasingly found that black men. Oh, excuse me. I've increasingly found that

many black men just want better access to patriarchy. They don't actually want it dismantled. And when I saw that twit trending and she was trending, I was I said to myself, Is this helpful? That's the first thing I said. Why why why? Why? Why and then that started a blame black men. Hashtag Oh, yeah. Remember this show? You bet. And that was the after the this was the show. 53 was 2020 vision. And this was around the whole ice cube thing. You know?

Yeah. The Carolinas for everything because on one side, the you know, the mainstream media was saying all black pave us Democratic Party. And the only thing that can really ruin it for us is the patriarchy loving black men. Right? These misogynist and and just once again, they have his own brand and misogyny common and massage and misogyny, misogyny and war. So it's like misogyny and war mixed together. So Black misogyny is what it represents.

But as I was processing it, I said that this narrative bolstered by the ice cubes 50 cent P Diddy conversations has have been several women I'm not you know, get into those names saying these are the only black men she knows. No, that was the one. No, no, that was the defectors remember that that's the one that will push them to Trump's tax tax cut. If she was like, Let's go talk to Trump. Yeah, about Suzanne. See, what do you know the platinum plan had?

Oh, yes. The Platinum plan. Oh, man, that was so hilarious. Yeah. 50 cent stepped on line and said I'm not paying 67% in taxes, Joe Biden tripping that kind of thing. So this is this is why they she's laying their names out. Right. I remember now. Yes. I just remember Trump's platinum plan. That was fantastic. How hilarious was that? Yeah, great marketer. Women, I'm not going to get into those names saying these things about black men in particular, I'm saying to myself, Why is

this happening? Why are you doing this? Why now? Why? And, you know, why was it necessary? So apparently, she was having some conversations with somebody and then went to the Twitter sphere. And I'm saying, at some point, we're gonna have to have Twitter discipline, all things are permissible, all things are not beneficial. This was not beneficial. And here's what it does. Because let me just be 100%, clear. Black men are

important. Black women are important. All black people report, you know, like, it's, it's silly for us to have these conflicts, and they're not real. So let me just give you the real. Here's the real, the real deal is there's no war between black men and black women, there seems to be on social media, a very, very small minut very loud faction on both sides doing this thing. Now. Is it beneficial? No, it's not. It's not. In fact, it is detrimental to the things that we want to get done.

Ooh, stop doing that. And that's to get Biden elected. For things we want, and this is why she's so torn up over this is because like, don't you see, we need all the votes combined, you know, these wages is gonna ruin it for you know, the, the Chancellor Joe Biden again, that's that you're hearing this. So that's the spectrum that she's looking through to say, and there is a

gender war? No, no, no doubt about it. And it's not just only in black people saying what black people, but it's far more impactful, I would say, because when you factor in poverty, when you factor in the family court system, how it leans have this go this goes back to no man about the house? Exactly. But for some odd reason. No, actually, you know, we've dealt with the black man, we just we did kill him and the murder of the black man. Now we're just that everything's the white man's fault.

But at the same time they have to do things like this, they had to do things like draw it and read it some white man somewhere, is telling them what to say. Yes. Okay, so, and this is what go back to the point about like, taking the taking from us. This is the this is the I must say it and people get mad at me. I don't care how you can't counsel me. A lot of people feel like the white power structure have taken our women. Oh, I understand that saying the same way we say about taking our

culture they have taken out and let me flesh that out. When you look at the Supreme Court Justice, when you look at Kamala Harris, when you listen to these women talking joy and read, you will give the perception that that white supremacy, the real white supremacy, the One World Government, white supremacy over their own men, and we should just shut up and like, Okay, I'm gonna do what mas attempting to do, and you just shut up and be

okay with it. And a lot of men like no, I rather be alone. And this is where this is the whole route of the black gender war. Now, I can't speak for any other gender war. I mean, I know there's some commonalities. But so let me let me play this back to you. So you just mentioned a whole bunch of black women who are not a Das. So when you say taking our women, do you mean taking the identity of the women are literally taking Okay, the identity that's what I got it?

Yeah. So so by saying Kamala, Joy read all the British names. It's like you're you're from Ireland, you know, from Caribbean descent. Not exactly the same thing yet. You're representing a DOS women? Exactly. Got it. Okay, that's 100% True. And ideas that come with that. I mean, because it said ideas that black man Shut up, get to the back, you know, will also by that, by that logic by that logic, they took the presidency from you. Yes, because Obama was not eight us is that still isn't

to this day. It's not going to change. He's still the president. It's not who we are. So, I guess let's go on record with wrap up this last clip and then we could thank some people. Everybody's blaming black men, for Trump, right? I'm gonna give you the actual numbers here. The numbers. Black men with college degrees. 78% of black men with college degrees voted for Hillary Clinton, Hillary Parkland 78% Lori I'm not good at math. Is that like the vast majority of black men? With College? whelming

and vast majority? Yeah. All right. Oh, black men with no college degrees 82% of black men without college degrees voted for Hillary Rodham Clinton. 11% voted for Trump 16% of black men with college degrees, which I think is interesting. Because, yeah, that's a whole other conversation that we should have at some point, too, but they're

different conversations. You know, it's not all and we doing this lumping in, like all black men, no, no matter of fact, 70% with degrees voted for Hillary 82% Without degrees voted for Hillary now, and juxtaposition of black women 91% of black woman 91% of black women with college degrees, 6% of those same black women voted for Trump. So let's just do I don't know who y'all are. You know, I want to shame you with a college degree. 6% of you voted for Donald Trump. But yes, this

You're right. You know, it's your right. You know, I we are free people. We're free to do dumb things. Don't you dare do that again. Are we free people who? Is anybody free? Mo is any people free? Yeah, we are? And if you want to Yes, right. It's the producers. That's right. That's right, exactly. The white man in the black men have to be able to sit down at the same table, the right man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that negro. And the

so called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feeling of the right man, then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem themselves. That's the only way we'll ever do it.

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All right, so kinda laid out that Elon Musk thing and now I feel like it's an important move. Cuz I think this is a really shaped which way this country goes. You know, I'm not I'm not being you know, overflight. If when I say that,

we own a twit teetering right now. Well, what's interesting, now that I understand Black Twitter, and the manipulation and how powerful it is certainly what it did with Black Lives. Hashtag Black Lives Matter, Inc. I wonder if Elon Musk's understands that mechanism? Yes. He understands how powerful it is. Yes, I'm sure he understood it. He sees how it drove black lives matter. But I'm not sure if he completely understands the whole mechanism as we just

discussed in the last two hours. I don't think so. Actually, I don't think a lot of people do and not just to toot our horn, but I think it's due when you get caught in an echo chamber. You believe Black Twitter is black, representing a representative of black. Exactly, exactly. And then you hear people like this guy. So this is a this is a power user. Le MyStyle Are you familiar with him? name rings a bell but knocking give you an image a black guy with a big white afro.

Oh, that guy. Oh, yeah. MSNBC. Oh, I love to hate that guy. He's a hate watch. So total hate watch and you do it that number 20. I can't get it. next guest has committed to making a few changes over the next 50 weeks. He's listed his goals for all to see but the one that got me listening is the last one. He says he's got to avoid Twitter fights with white people. He doesn't respect over issues that they don't understand it And my friend is

here to talk about that with us today. Welcome back to Le misto, Justice correspondent for The Nation and social media sage, I would love for you to just start off by, you know, as one of the most prolific voices I believe on social media. Talk to us about your strategy for using those platforms. Yeah, it's going so poorly for me in my attempts to keep my blood pressure down from engaging with these fools on social media. But let's start at the beginning, right? Like why

do I do this at all right? And a big part of the reason why I am vociferous and bombastic and always kind of ready to throw down and throw hands on social media, is because I have a

platform and thus, I believe, a duty to do it, right. There are a lot of people who agree with me, there are a lot of black people, especially in professional environments, who cannot say the kinds of things that I can say to these people, because they have to worry about their job, they have to worry about their paper, they have to worry about the boss that might be listening, looking over their shoulder. There are lots of good reasons why lots of smart black people smart lawyer tight black

people cannot go all in on these people. I can't pop this guy. Smart. Educated. This guy has very little background. I mean, Harvard Law very little backbone. Why this? Yes. But it's really interesting. Where's this guy from in his he fell out in one of those and other people fell out the sky? Well, his his wiki page reads like, interestingly enough, a spook. I mean, it doesn't even have where he grew up. I mean, they, they're always trying to get that balance. Right.

And Malcolm, you mentioned the name before. They Malcolm Nance mountain Max, they showed up about the same time. And he's, he's like being pushed as the authority of the Constitution. Yeah, which book? Yeah, his book is Godless carry. Do you think his book is? Not so he's on the front of his book cover, and he has his big white afro, it looks like a toadstool off of Mario

Brothers. And yeah, I'm roasting him. But a simple fact is, he goes out here like he represents all black men, you know, where he's, you know, where he's from, where he was born? Where Where do you think? Ah, Quantico. Haiti. See, that's that's if anybody realized, and this is not this is no distance and not not a Das. Not foundational, black people in America, because we have a lot way more allies than detractors. But do we see an over representation? Of in the media?

of non Yes, yes, yes, of course we do. And that's because they either don't, when I was saying about a joy of reading other clips, there's something inside of me, that wouldn't allow me to say those things and portray black people in that way, nor how they were done with COINTELPRO. nor how the Panthers were done, you know, put putting aside how this pans were put together, but just talking about the media to illustrate me how they will illustrate in the media

immediately. So but I think they lacked that in some ways. Yes. Well, they're phonies. They've just found He's the former the imposters and you have this guy coming out here like he represents like, say black black people, and he goes on Black Twitter, but you've noticed he was very specific and even, you know, saying, Oh, the professional. No, this is that. Yes, yes. Here's a question that so I'm looking at older pictures. This this white fro is a new deal for him.

It is and I'm gonna go to that. I'm gonna continue with the rose. I have learned so much about black. I'm so proud of myself. White headed black man is often seen as less threatening. Uncle Ben Benson. Benson. Benson. Yeah. All white no facial hair, no. Pants, no, nothing. assemblance of masculinity. And I'm not like I said he put himself in this position is that he speaks for me. So this is my critique. My

they said they speak for me. No, you don't speak for me. And I don't speak For all black men, that's why I always say these are my this is I speak for myself. And now there are there are people that think like me, yes. But I don't go out and say all black men think this and all black, no. But he does that. And he's brought in to do that. And he says, I'm very used that term problematic things about black men. So that this is this is

where this is coming from. So because when you start having this kind of like when you have a person of that group, go out and criticize that group, it has holds more weight, right? And that's why they're using him, but he does not, you know, let's say not very that that white afro, is very non threatening or

purposeful, right? Oh, so let's go and get into 21 My starting point for a clap back, I should say, is there something that I can say or do or point out here, that other people, you know, are gonna, you know, are gonna agree with or one out there to be said, but I'm one of the only people that can say it kind of correctly. And if that's bar is crossed, I am happy to kind of get in there. Get into the weeds get into the muck and throw down you know, they say you wrestle with

the pig. don't wrestle the pig, because you're both gonna get dirty. Yeah, whatever. I take shower. All right, like I don't mind getting dirty. That's what it takes to push the point across. Wow, this is so offensive. Now that we know this guy's from Haiti keys she's like, Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Just as bad for me bro. That you see what I'm saying? They take they take our stuff. And did he take did he take your your did he take black America's

favorite cleaning product and appropriate that too? Was that he said shout or because? Oh, yeah. Wait a minute. Isn't a tie tied? I mean, is what you put on a really tough stain. So he's appropriating everything? I mean, it's one thing to use it because that's where I how I learned to wash from my black roommate in college. Would you not going to virtue signal with that if you're from Haiti? Everything about them is learned through pop culture. Yeah, but

that's why it's over. It's not rooted in anything. It's not no the it's certain things you can say. And it's just that it's ruthless I start because it's it's a lived experience. And that's why you can tell the authentic version of it against you know, the manufacturer version of it. This guy has not lived the shout a shout it out life. He does his own laundry. I'm gonna continue with the clip. I mean, says this right quick because this is owned the BNC

the black news channel, which is now defunct. Yeah, and it just goes to show you that you can't you can bring me in your Charles blows. You can bring in your mark Lamont Hills is not gonna work. These people don't speak. They don't have they have. It's kind of like when people buy Jordans. But they don't know how to put through the license. You could have the shoes, but you don't know how to rock them. Right. And they just don't know how to rock it. Right. And it shows

Well, you know, you deal with a lot of dogs. But I gotta say, I don't think you get up with fleas. And I actually appreciate

you taking them off and team and being out there. Because you see a lot of stuff that I wish that I would say and I don't even know why I just don't I would love for you to tell us some of the you know, craziest fights that you are having on social media right now that are really meaningful, you're engaging in them because you really see an opportunity to move the conversation or at least, like goodness, so this so the oh, he's the warrior now I get it.

That's what he does. He does that all day professionally on Twitter. But that's the thing. The irony of it is like Donald Trump does with twitter feed 45 Savage does with news and Twitter Thrive Twitter. Right, but this is what they want. scaps like us? Yeah, the point is, yeah, okay. Just pull it more.

Yeah, look, I focus on the courts. And so I get a lot of I get a lot of people who are kind of from that world who have some legal training who simply aren't used to having to, to hear what the courts look like and how they sound like from the perspective of a black person, and they show up on my feet with like, concerns, kind of not understanding that I'm an expert in this that I've been doing this for 10 years, but like that I'm black

that's the power user right there. Yeah. So and this next clip, you said it, and this one I told you goggles because you're gonna hear him try to launch a meme or launch a hash tag, what you just said, was him trying to launch a hash tag, and it failed. So let's go ahead and listen to it. And I want to hear your, your opinion on the other side. I live in Florida. So I'm like on ground zero. All of this is

happening. I'm out of my mind about the bills banning conversations about race and ethnicity and and LGBTQ, just even mentioning gender identity in primary schools, but some will say Okay, so are you arguing for throwing out the Constitution? Should the constitution be thrown out? What do we do this? Is it a living document? Is it a or is it a sacred document? It's certainly not sacred. Alright, let's start with the

Constitution is kind of trash. But let's just again, let's just talk as adults first What did you say it's why it's kind of Trash Trash. It was it was written by slavers and colonists and white people who were willing to make deals with slavers and colonists, they didn't ask anybody looked like me. But they thought about the Constitution. They didn't say, oh, Jim, come over here. What do you think about this old

constitution? Well, Massa, I show don't lock. So my children got to say his ancestors spoke French. Yeah, phony Oh, my grandfather, you say, ain't no taxation without representation from Massa. That's not what happened. This document was written without the consent of black and brown people in this country and without the consent of women in

this country. And I say if that if that is the starting point, the very least we can do is ignore what those slavers and colonists and misogynist thought and interpret the Constitution in a way that makes sense for our modern world that want to rewrite it. I could write I could rewrite parts of it in a tweet, right. Like how about popular election for the President? People vote not land to do it in a tweet, right?

Yeah, you know, I'm term limits for Supreme Court justices. And how about no states rights when it comes to health care, elections, policing, and God? That's just better. And you can do that. Oh, my, that whole riff was fantastic. And he was trying to mean he was trying to launch was constitution is trash kind of trash kind of trash. Yeah, that's that's these are how they try to launch these hashtags. That way, so my Oh, Constitution trash just kind of trash. You

know, these guys madness. They'll have different variations. And whichever one people just kind of latch on to, this is how it works. And he was trying to make that happen. But you can't. It's not it's his message. He's not a creative hashtag. No, in this because he's not because he's not really black. He doesn't have the grace, the grooved and had the vibe you don't know how to do that is that it's the time and it comes with the fact that when you say get rid of the Constitution, Whoa, you're

saying now you get rid of the First Amendment. Yeah. Are you talking about get rid of the Second Amendment? Now you're saying these Well, now what what are we playing by? And you notice how he had to do the Black and Brown warming? He had to hear this is that coalition? Always check those boxes. He did. He did. He didn't do LGBTQ though. He screwed that up. Well, I mean, but you saw, what's her name? Oh, yes. She Navarro. Navarro. Yeah, she she threw it in the

forum. I got it. I got you, bro. I got you. You can run with the mammy shit. I got this one. Wow. Right. So this is this is how they tried to do it. And now this is where the second part comes in. And why I felt that the whole Elon Musk thing is a big problem for a certain group of people. I want people to pay attention to the two timelines that were going here, Elon Musk by Twitter. And then all of a sudden, Obama comes with the disinformation dashboard.

This is so interesting that you bring this up mo again, you I love you for this. Do you mind if I just tell you that I noticed the exact same thing. And there was there was one extra piece it was it was Obama showing up it was the disinformation board. And he by the way, he showed up at the cyber Stanford cyber policy institute where he spoke for that hour. And there was also another Brookings Institution

piece about podcasting. And, and it was weird because we've already seen these, oh, podcasting has to be moderated as dangerous and it's the whole reason for podcasting. 2.0 is because I knew this was coming. And I'm like, wait a minute, why are they doing this piece again? So Dave Jones, and I go in through it on the on the board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 and I started clicking on some of the links like, oh, oh my god, it's all about banners. and disinformation and how how

disinformation kills people the exact words that Obama used. And so is this in so my my kind of the punchline is they set up this whole thing with all these different messages of disinformation, they bring out Obama for the disinformation. And then they choose this Nina Janka wits, who was so obviously mockable for so many things, it was just like, wow, you put a lot of effort into bringing in this candidate who is there

because her specialty is wait for it Russian and Ukrainian. So you know, everything that is uncomfortable with this, my opinion through this governance board will be run through the lens of Russian disinformation. And the thing was, I've been champing at the bit. Because we had to postpone the show from last week. I saw this link the all these clips, except for a few to Mr. Add it later. This is like 90% of the show. Because I saw it coming. I was like oh,

Elon buys Twitter. They have to go governmental. Yes, they can't control him. And that's why he bought it. Wait, wait, wait, okay, okay, I'm gonna blow your mind now. Okay, please, I'm gonna blow your mind. I'm gonna blow your mind. This is a clip that I'm going to play on tomorrow's no agenda show. And it's from 2016 We played this on no agenda. And this was Obama. And I think it was before the election, um,

notch. Yeah, I think was before the election, listen to this after rebuild within this wild wild west of information flow, some sort of curating function that people agree to. I use the analogy in politics. It used to be there were three television stations and Walter Cronkite's on there. And not everybody agreed, then there were always outliers who thought that it was all propaganda, and we didn't really land on the moon and

Elvis is still alive and so forth. But generally, that was in the papers that you bought in the supermarket, right, as you were checking out. And generally people trusted a basic body of information. It wasn't always as democratic as it should have

been. And it's always exactly right, that, for example, on something like climate change, we've actually been doing some interesting initiatives where we're essentially deputizing citizens with handheld technologies to start reporting information that then gets pulled, they're becoming scientists without getting the PhD. And we can do that in a lot

of other fields as well. But there has to be, I think, some sort of way in which we can sort through information that passes some basic truth, truthiness tests, and those that we have to discard, because they just don't have any basis and anything that's actually happening in the world. And that's hard to do. But I think it's, it's going to be necessary, it's going to be possible. I think, the answer is obviously not censorship, but it's creating places where people can say this is reliable.

And I'm still able to argue about safely about facts, and what we should do about it. While while still not just making stuff up. So, to me, what Musk is doing, and what Obama is describing here in 2016, is the same thing. See it and it doesn't really matter, the outcome is the same whether Musk is the shill or whether he's sincere. The the truthiness test is coming through regulations. I think he's the opposition to what

Obama is trying to do. Because you have two schools of thought two corporations on it, and like the, the owners of those companies, or should the government control it. So this is why I think they just part ways now that we've talked about on the last show, when they build these systems, anybody will be able to wield the power of it. But it's about who's going to have that power. Is it the the you know, the boards and

the CEOs? Or is the government coming in and telling you what you can say and how you can say on your platforms? Well, the government is not just the US government so the European Union Government has already stated their case the EU law and will adhere to them or he will not operate in the European Union. And in the United States and globally ESG scores dictates what companies do. So they will do all they will. If he's if he's not playing on their team, they will annihilate

him. So Twitter, let me get this straight. Because I mean, I have a few questions about this deal. So Twitter will no longer be publicly traded when it goes through. How does that work? I mean, if he owns it, yeah. All the shares are bought by Elon. And so every everyone gets $54.20 a share. And then And then, and then he takes it he did delisted takes off the stock market is no longer public company, so he can do whatever he wants. So that's ESG really have an impact on you, then?

I believe so it obviously he can't be delisted taxation. There's many different ways that that's going to play. But you can't be platform because I am the platform. He was saying like this is I'm fascinated by this, because this is letting you know, you're saying that I'm saying like it wasn't like I bought about the building. I'm just seeing I'm seeing a differently. Yeah. What I see is when you say he said up, I was almost going to agree. I think he's the

operator. I think he's he's the opposition. No, I think he's the opposite. I know what you think. And I just disagree, too. But it's fascinating that we were looking at the same set of information, the same set of facts, and coming away with two totally different. I mean, which is the same same or same result, same result, but it's the same result. Either way, Twitter is going to be regulated. And Obama has been out here for over a month pushing this that

Stanford wasn't the first was in the first speech. I have the first glimpse and we're gonna get to that but this is the local. This is the local news talking about the disinformation governance board in Sioux City. The Department of Homeland Security tonight is taking on

dangerous disinformation. They've created a new board dedicated specifically to tackling that issue, but some lawmakers are raising concerns kind of brand explains why the government is launching a new effort to prevent disinformation and misinformation from traveling around the country in a range of communities. I'm not sure who opposes that effort. It turns out some lawmakers do they want to police the speech of American citizens. It is absolutely insane.

The Department of Homeland Security insists their new disinformation governance board is meant to combat dangerous misinformation disinformation that imperils the safety and security of our homeland. The board is brand new, so exactly how they'll do that is unclear, but many Republicans are sounding the alarm bells and even comparing it to the Ministry of Truth from the dystopian novel 1984. This is nothing more than a blatant attempt to install a Ministry of

Truth. In order to push Biden's propaganda Congressman Andrew Clyde calls the board unconstitutional. And Senator Marsha Blackburn says it's censorship, they're going to say, we're going to step in here and we are going to take control, because there are some things we want you to know. And there are some things we don't the Biden administration argues there's a major need to combat

the lies and conspiracies that mislead people. And so division, there has been a range of disinfo out there about a range of topics, I mean, including COVID, for example, and also elections and eligibility, but Senator Josh Hawley wants the board to be dissolved. Just because you disagree with your opponent doesn't mean it's disinformation in Washington. I'm Hannah brand.

Yeah, that was you know, that's the type of piece that everyone gets the same copy for goes to all the local stations, and that could very well come from AP your writing. And by the way, oh. We're coming to different conclusions, just for me of different for different reasons. I would love to see it to see Twitter, be fried and for it to work and become the cesspool that it can be great. It'll be there'll be hilarious. It's great for business. Yeah. But it's yes. And that's not moral.

That's great familiars. Elon Musk come in, we're seeing through with Bulletproof Tesla. You're saying the same Twitter? No, this is about who controls the way that company country goes. Well, company. I mean, that was almost a Freudian slip. Who controls the way the company goes, does it go with the corporation calling the shots or the government calling the shots? And I think what what Elon Musk did the way he did it, to say I can buy something

that's not for sale. That's very threatening to the government. But you know what this is again, just this is this is something that just doesn't fit with me. Twitter has been for sale. For a long time for a long time, to who to anybody, anybody Google, Facebook, Amazon, all the same side. All. Why would I bother more with a guy like this? I didn't look at it like no, no, no I, my eyes in my eyes. Google is in a group Facebook is a better example. Facebook is

incredibly political. Why would they not want to control that? Why would they not tell me? Why would the people who control the political messaging on Facebook not want to add Twitter to their to their portfolio? The way I see is this, they all were asleep, because it's like, no, nobody with differing views will buy it so we don't have to worry about buying it. And then you have this guy come in it says, Okay, I see what you're saying is like a robber baron

kind of thing. This the same way the Rockefellers will operate, right? It's like, we're gonna buy all the train tracks. You know, we're not gonna buy the train tracks. What about a steel company? By the way, Dvorak is also on your side of this argument. Okay, well, I'm gonna get company so yeah, right and even older white man go for it I'll tell you who? The guy from billions you know Hey, that's my that's my guy. Oh, Prince Michael Prince. No, no, daddy. Oh, Charles shows a senior

guy right. I'm glad I glad he stayed on throughout the new series. Yeah, he him and WAGs keep it real. That but once again, that's that's how wokeness ruins things just mean as it's just a quick aside. So yeah, you're right now but I find this interesting. Because CNN This is Dana Bash. And this is her talking to our Hondros my Arcus. Yes. Her tone is This is getting weird out here, folks. This.

Let's talk about a different topic, which is what you are calling your department is calling the disinformation governance board you unveiled that? This week. Republicans are calling it Orwellian. And comparing it to the Ministry of Truth in the novel 1984. Can you clarify what exactly is this? What exactly? Will this disinformation governance board do? Will it monitor American citizens

debt? I'm very pleased to do so. It's clear. I mean, those criticisms are precisely the opposite of what this small working group within the Department of Homeland Security will do. And I think we probably could have done a better job of

communicating what it does and does not do. So the fact is, that disinformation that creates a threat to the security of the homeland is our responsibility to address and this department has been addressing it for years throughout the years of the prior administration, and an ongoing basis, disinformation from Russia and China. We know the problems, but it's still not clear to me how this governance board will act. What will it do?

So what it does is it works to ensure that the way in which we address threats that connectivity between threats and acts of violence are addressed without infringing on free speech, protecting civil rights and civil liberties. The right of privacy. Oh, okay. I can't wait to see how they didn't actually explain how they do it. Now that's crap. Secrets, trade secrets. Yes. sources and methods, sources and methods. I'll tell you

how. But isn't this a weird tone from CNN, who's been? Pretty much the governmental lapdog up until this point? You mean that they're changing tune a little bit and becoming a little more adversarial? Yeah, cuz I mean, especially Dana Bash, you know, she's all in for whatever it is, he would think like this is anti.

Now maybe you have more maybe the maybe convince me more in the next this the second piece and the board this working group internal working group will draw it from best practices and communicate those best practices to the operators because the board does not have operational authority. Well, American citizens be monitored operators guarantee.

So what we do we in the Department of Homeland Security don't monitor American citizen we don't but when this board change that No, no, the board does not have any operational

authority or capability. What it will do is gathered together best practices in a dress During the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years, Republicans are criticizing your decision the administration's decision to choose Anita Janka wits to lead this disinformation board they say she is not somebody who is neutral, your response

but eminently qualified, a renowned expert in the field of disinformation. Absolutely. So would you be okay, if Donald Trump were President if he created this disinformation governance board or if it is in place, and he wins again in 2024, that he's in charge of such a thing?

I believe that this working group that gathers together, gathers together best practices, make sure that our work is coordinated, consistent with those best practices that were safeguarding the rights of free speech, that were safeguarding civil liberties, I think is an extraordinarily important endeavor. No, Dana Bash is playing along. I think she's playing controlled opposition here.

Yeah, I see this is, but let me let me tell you, let me tell you why I feel that when he said not once, but three times the operators we give that to the operators no follow up. No question. Who is that? Who are the operators? They've been doing this for decades? Who are what do they do? What exactly is that? FBI? Is that NSA? Is that local police? Is that Twitter themselves? She wasn't asking

that. She was she was in my opinion. She was throwing up the the opposition giving him soft balls to address them with non answers. And she did not question any of his non answers. The way I see it is this. The typical CNN interview would win. So tell me how this is gonna be good for banning white supremacist. I agree with you that I missed that. Yes, I agree. I missed the January 6. I miss. Yes. I'm wondering how this how is this going to impact our business?

Because at the end of the day, the governance board is governing the media companies, and they're looking at it look, we took your we took your 2016 We took your black lives matter. We took your pro LGBT Okay, okay, bleeding now. You're good? Yep. You're dragging me over the line. You get me closer. I got one toe close. So what So what they lost $300 million for like a month or for service? Because it's their news is so sanitized? That you make

Tucker Carlson seem radical. Right. Hopefully, you might just hold on hold on a second. Yeah. The seat you're talking about CNN plus, yes. Don't get caught up in that. They got bought, they got bought, the new owners didn't want it. It didn't get shut down because it had no one watching. It got shut down point is not was not ever in the plan. But that's my point, though. They threw 100 $300 million away on something they couldn't even salvage they couldn't even say,

You know what? Let's bring in new talent. You know, let's shake it up a little bit. No, basically, we had to scrap this whole thing. And I think they're scrapping the whole vote business model. It's like, you know what, we'll go back to fair and balanced. We will ask the questions like she was the one yes. That was the act I got. Well, there's there's another thing that we've noticed. So discovery, bought Warner AT and T and Warner so they bought CNN with it. Right

so this is all discovery. So the the big man who's really in control of this whole deal is Malone. John Malone. Okay. I mean, the Warner Brothers CEO is a different guy but John Malone is the chairman and he is he's us 45 Savage guy. That's what's going on here.

And that's where I'm setting the tone is switching and we've noticed and you know, they've cleaned up they cleaned up the Cuomo kid out of pedophile Yeah, they got well I think not all not all I think they got the tip of the iceberg maybe but yeah, they got some of the paedos out of there the pedo bears who else did they they cleaned up the Cuomo cleaned up his shit out clean all of that up, got rid of it, you know, and, and I'm sure there's been internal shakeups and of course

as ocher himself left. So yeah, yeah, okay. I think people are very cautious Dana Bash. He's not gonna get another gig. She's auditioning to stay. Yes, and it's gonna be reporting on missing airplanes. We're going back to that. Model. Yeah, possibly. Hey, you know, just do more Amber heard maybe I'll even watch. This actually, that's, I think the woke media in is is like old news. And I think they don't want Obama looking over their shoulder, who what CEO will want the government give

the government more power? This is not about ideology. This is about do I want the government looking over my shoulder? They say, Oh, that's disinformation. Right. That's different. No, that's bad for business. And as I said that they bleed out that way. Yeah. So just to go to the other side of the spectrum. Now we have Tulsi Gabbard she was on with we'll Kane on Fox News. And she's saying is that both sides are in on it? Is Joe Biden, that radical that he's relying on Orwellian

tactics to hold on to control? Or, like on everything else? Is he just the frontman for someone else? And credit? Tulsi Gabbard is a former Hawaii Congresswoman and a former presidential candidate, and she has some thoughts on who might actually be pulling the strings on Joe Biden, hi, Tulsi. So if Joe's not really in charge, who is?

I think it's no surprise to know that it's not just Obama, but it's the whole Obama Clinton machine that has been in power for a long time and continues to pull the strings behind the curtain in the Biden administration. But when we're talking about this Ministry of Truth, well, what's even more disturbing than the fact that you have all these Democrats who are supporting it, is it there are powerful Republicans who are

supporting it as well. There's one in particular over the last couple of days, who's been very vocal on television about this, and I want to read his direct quote, because it was very disturbing to me, he says, this is an important function of the Department of Homeland Security, but they put the absolute wrong person in charge of it. Who was this? The fact that she didn't say who it was, she said, important Republican, but she never said his name. Isn't that weird? And

because you picked up on it? Because you said Who was this, the fact that you called somebody and don't give their name? lets me know that. Remember, that's a friend of Mr. friend of ours, a member. So Tulsi is, of course, one of the World Economic Forum, young global leaders, and NASA. That's my whole point. That's my whole point is that I think that they want to get back to business as usual. These both these media operations are controlled, as you just heard

with her. She couldn't even say the Republicans name because they actually that Republican, is a friend of who had a Fox News Network. And it's like, okay, you can get on here and talk by partisan, but you can't say his name. And I've never heard somebody give a quote, where you know, who said it? But you don't say who it is. That was? Do we know who said it? No, she never said 10. And they didn't ask those same thing. I just say, Oh, no, no, follow up. No,

nothing. And I think the media is like, we're tired of playing this game. It's back to business. And they're okay with Elon getting Twitter, because well, both sides gets what you want to get good hashtags. And you know what, you know what? You really brought them all together. Warren, Ukraine, you're in Ukraine brought the news media together, because they all all bow to the military industrial complex, they all have to do it. That so much money by Boeing?

Yes. Yes, the new thing is gonna be Boeing, like brought to you by Boeing? Well, look at PBS, it's often brought to you by Boeing. And Boeing is just another contractor. So yeah, yeah, this is good observation. Well, this is good. I'm just looking at the timing. And I think it's the my mad tip, you know, because, of course, I'm sure. Oh, it was. It was super coordinated. And you're right, I think you're right. Alright, so let's go and get 26.

And well, the problem here is not the person they put in charge. But the bigger problem here is the board itself. The bigger problem here is that, unfortunately, have powerful Democrats and Republicans who are supporting this ministry of truth, who do not believe in the Constitution and freedom of speech, who have no faith in the American people and are willing to put our taxpayer dollars towards this propaganda

department. This this Ministry of Truth, it's something that belongs in a dictatorship and Ministry of Truth does not belong in the United States of America. You know that the Ministry of Truth thing is it unfortunately, it's a misnomer. It's not it's not what the Ministry of Truth did in 1984 in the movie in the book, what they did is change history to fit the current narrative. That's what the news

media does. That's there the Ministry of Truth with these Mee Mee Mee Mee Mee right this is our job. This is ours. Just to tell you what the thing Yeah, not the government. I think that's the pushback. I don't Yeah, there's nobody that's benevolent in this or oh, you know, okay, hold on a second now. Yes. Now I know I know what I hear and danobat, Danna bash. She said, she got mad. She said, Well, what are you going to be doing with this Ministry of

Truth? Because we're doing a good enough job was okay. So? Aren't we good at shaming people? Why do you have to do a different? That's what I heard in her voice, and making change whatever they only did, the rubber stamp was disinformation. So when it comes back and say, Oh, CNN, you're pushing a lot of this agenda. And we see that this is disinformation or whoever, Fox News, the same thing? Oh, yes. You widen my perspective to this entire this entire Gambit, I appreciate it.

Alright, so we're going to remind people that I, for the longest and Obama was in power. As soon as the election was over, yes. Let's just remind people from the doback clip that he said it himself that he was up for a third term. And what you know, now, do you wish like you had a sec, a third

term? And I used to say, you know, what, if I could make an arrangement, where I had a, I had a stand in a frontman, or front woman, and they had an earpiece in and I was just in my basement in my sweats, looking through the stuff, and then I could sort of deliver the lines, but somebody else was doing all the talking and ceremony, I'd be fine with it. Ya know that, you know how that was really clear. What was going on? And it's interesting, because JCD I can't get him to

believe this. Because, you know, we've talked about it and I agree, as has to do so obviously, well, who's who's really in charge? It's the whole group. It's the whole Cabal. And I think Obama is the is the spokes hole of the Cabal internally, you know, they'll worship him. So he's the guy and, you know, whoever's got his ear, the communicator. He's, he's, well, part of it. Yeah. He's the alpha dog. But it was so apparent when he and when he was at the White House, and

there's just one shot. Obama and the Vice President, they're, you know, they're working the crowd, and they're working like President, Vice President and Joe Biden is behind them. Know? Exactly. And Biden is behind them. Now. We've all seen that he's kind of looking lost and stuff. But then he tries to get President Obama's attention, puts his hand on the shoulder. And I hadn't seen that the first time I saw the clip. And he holds his hand there. And Obama does kind of like a quarter, not

even a quarter like an eighth turn with his head. And out of his peripheral vision ceases Joe and just looks right back and keeps talking with people. And Biden still has his hand on his shoulder. He completely ignores him. Like, I don't know what this falsehood and Joe Biden mean, Obama likes Joe Biden. He never liked Joe Biden. No, he's he's a clean, He's clean. He never liked him. You just needed him. Oh, no, this is bad. But he's but that that was a public

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Chicago University of Chicago. And this is WGN News. The local news covered it and it says former President Barack Obama was back home in Chicago on Wednesday with an urgent warning about disinformation. This is a conversation with former President Barack Obama just wrapped up at the University of Chicago and how disinformation spreads the war in Ukraine among the number of topics he addressed WGN political reporter to mon Bradley's there and he joins us now with more tomorrow.

Mike and Ray Good evening, the Atlantic and the University of Chicago Institute of Politics teamed up for this look at disinformation. It's a topic the former president says he spent a lot of time thinking about former President Barack Obama back home in Chicago tonight with an urgent warning about disinformation, the way I define disinformation is if you have a systematic effort to either promote false information to suppress true information for the purpose of political is Obama Hi.

I think I understand what you're asking. It's part of it's the compression of the audio, I think that it makes it really sound like that. Not that I'm talking about how slow he is speaking and choosing his words. Very, he was always known to be that flow. Ah, no, you know, this. This is an interesting observation in the, in the Stanford because I watched the whole thing. The Stanford speech was an hour long speech, really only 30 minutes

of speech. He was doing 678 Second pauses in between his his sentences. I found it very hard to listen to. And that's why I brought it up. Like, what? What did I mean? Like, is it long? COVID? I mean, like, what what is it? I mean, that he has to stop. And yeah, collect his words, when he would say the true talent of him was that that flow net vibe that he had when he was here, you know, information. Oh, and I observe this, and he still has that flow. It's just

he's, when he stops, he stops we're real long time. Like someone said, Man, that's really impressive when you do that. That's that's what it feels like to me. Oh, man, you and you that really gives you power and it makes you feel like you're just you're the you're the top dog of the world who can do that you can make everyone wait and listen in silence for seven seconds. I just found it weird and very hard to listen to information.

To suppress true information for the purpose of political gain financial game, the former president telling this conference held at the University of Chicago Institute of Politics, that normal debate of ideas is fine, but systemic disinformation is destructive. Okay, so sent nancial gain Yes. I think that they really want to hijack corporate media and turn it to state media. It makes things a hell of a lot easier. Um, they don't have these problems over

PBS. Because the state is state funded. And I think that's the you brought up Europe and saying, okay, we can we don't want we won't let Twitter in. You know, if you don't, I think that's what they crave. Is that now he got me doing it. Is that kind of control and power? So it's not about Twitter, then. That's a very good point. Ha and Okay, fine. All the newspapers. Yes, they did. I mean, what was the guy's name? Hearst. Yeah, will will Hearst Randall for Are we at random,

the big newspaper? I mean, he went bought all this new small, new newspapers. I think this is the similar thing. This is the printing press. But they're gonna do it through regulation and legislation. I think that's the control mechanism the government wants, and the corporate media still corporate at the end of the day, and they want to make money and severe oppression from the government is not good for business. They've done this long

enough. So let's go ahead and get to the second piece of this clip. It is difficult for me to see how we we win the contest of ideas. If in fact, we are not able to agree on a baseline of facts. The former president also offered thoughts about Russia's attack on Ukraine. He said Vladimir Putin's aggression should serve as a reminder to the world that democracy is fragile. It is a tragedy of historic proportions. It is a bracing reminder for democracies that have gotten that had gotten

flabby and what's happening there is not isolated. What we're seeing is a reversion back to old ways of thinking about power, and place and identity. So Mr. Obama has answers for disinformation. For starters, he says America must grapple with the internet's fascination for crazy, and he says there's no silver bullet. You can't make no promises the right in true government form.

So when I heard this, and I heard Chicago University that rang a bell with me, and we got to go all the way back to show five. And that was the Popeyes chicken sandwich. And nudging episode. Oh, yeah, I remember this. Okay. Yeah. And this is Professor Richard Thayer. I think I pronounced it. Yeah, he's from He's a graduate of Chicago University. And he talks about nudging. Yes, some people worry that the idea of choice architects and nudging is somehow leading to Big Brother. And that's not the

way we think about it. One of the points we stress in the book is that there has to be some choice architecture. So the person who designs that cafeteria downstairs has to put the food somewhere, the salad has to be in front of the burgers or behind the burgers, given that you have to arrange the food in some order. We argue, why not have the choice architect, arrange the food in such a way that people will be

happier and healthier. And maybe live a little choice architects Yes, I'd forgotten that term. And that soda nudge is the gas. Like think this, let me put this in front of you. nudge nudge nudge right now, what they want to put in is the brakes. This this information thing like, okay, the choice architects are saying, Okay, this is good for you. This is good for you. This is unhealthy. We can't talk

about this topic. We want to shape this topic this way. And I think this is what you were talking about the procedures of the of the board. Yep. The governance board. I think this is it. They are chores architects. Because remember, Obama was the one that brought the nudge. It was official, I forget the name of it, but the nudging wing of the government in you mean the after the Smith Mundt Act was? No this is way before that. This is when he said okay, we can

bring in. They were they were basically saying we could do open propaganda this this month, because that was in 25th 2018. Well, it was it was it was it was 2012. It was overturned or was it was kind of nullified in the National Defense Authorization Act in 2012. I think we're talking about the same thing, because they removed they overturn that. And so now it was possible to go ahead and propagandize Americans.

Yep. So I mean, what it was a government organization that was doing the nudging and they kind of went private after Trump came in. They all went into the private sector. Yeah, I'm trying to I, this rings a bell. I can't I can't remember what it was, what was the name? I can't come back to Episode Five we talked about in detail here was the nudge nudge unit or something? Yeah. So I think this is this is just another, you know, another piece

of that. So now I have this piece from this is from local five an hour. And this is like this is reaching the masses. And I could have, I could have made a supercut out of at least seven or eight nasaw in a search on review of local news pushing what as finding what disinformation and misinformation was, and the difference between the two. But this one was special, because they and they include a new third form of bad information.

If you were to dive into the dark web, you'd find a lot of information you couldn't find with say just a simple Google search and a lot of what's down there is simply false information. In recent years that false information has made its way to mainstream platforms. Now a simple Google search will show you ideas, thoughts and movements previously hidden away

from the dark corners of the internet. To protect yourself against what's false and harmful, you need to understand how that information comes to exist in the first place and how it comes across your social media feeds. Now there are three different types of content as identified by first draft that is an organization fighting to bring you truth on what you read and watch disinformation, misinformation and Mal

information. Collectively, these three groups are known as information disorder, let's start with the first disinformation is intentionally false. It's designed to cause harm, that's often backed by motivations to make money to have political influence or cause trouble just for the sake of it. The second misinformation that's also false content, but the person sharing it doesn't realize it's false or misleading. This is driven by socio psychological factors.

These people want to feel connected to their tribe, whether that's the same political party activists for climate change or those that belong to a certain religion, race or ethnic group. Finally, Mal information this is genuine information shared with the intent to cause harm. An example is when Russian hackers hacked the Democratic National Committee, Hillary Clinton his campaigns and emails, they leak

certain details just to damage reputations. So before you hit or share or retweet, stop and ask yourself how that information came to exist. And whether it's at all credible. It was the social second, I got it here Mo. It's like it's a mount. It's, it's a mouthful. It's a social and behavioral sciences team. That's who President Obama used to get insights from psychology, behavioral economics, and other decision sciences to improve federal programs and operations, also known as the Nudge Unit.

That's when he was in his first term first. Right now he's in his third tire. That was what Miss mount information did you did you pick up on what they were saying there? Yeah, I had heard this. I didn't like that didn't think their example was correct. Because that wasn't mal information. That was that was true. That was real document. So that's not what mal information is. Yes, that's that's exactly what it is. Listen to what he said. He

said it's true. It's genuine information, but you're using it to hurt people. I mean, listen to that again, because there was something in there that made me think differently misinformation that's also false content, but the person sharing it doesn't realize it's false or misleading. This is driven by socio psychological factors. These people want this for climate change or those that belong to a certain religion race or ethnic group. Finally, Mal information this is genuine

information shared with the intent to cause harm. An example is when Russian hacker okay all right. The thing is, he's explaining mal information with disinformation because Russian hackers did not hack the DNC DNC server was stolen from inside most likely to Seth Rich but he's justified to do it. It's a you from the mount information guide understand? It's their psychology is but that's yeah, it's okay to do it. It's okay to use any tactics.

Yeah, no, these people. Look. I know bugs are bad. No, it's a tough stuff. wasn't tough pill to swallow to eat bugs. But we're making it popular. So it was good for you. Because if you go back and look at what the guy there were saying, and let me get the name of his book one more time. It's the nudge improving decisions about health, wealth and happiness. So we nudge you because we love you desperate. These people tell you the truth because they hate you, even though it's true, is now

information. And now we can start saying, even if it's true, we can ban it. Where do we end up? Yeah. People who do that? I mean, so that inverse of a witness truth. That's really bad, and they're trying to hurt you. But we're lying to you. Because we love you. Isn't that literally the work of the devil? Yes, it's got to be Yeah, it's upside down world, okay, or they're playing God. Right. Just do that. And inverse.

Also, it's also a no, no. Yeah, the worst thing is they're saying, trust me, just like with joy and reading Shireen Mitchell, right. They would knew what they were saying was bad, but they're like, okay, but this will get Trump out of office. Yeah. So it's all justified? Yes, of course. Yeah. So that's how I look at it. So that mount information, we got to keep an eye on that one. But once again, I have some more clips of Obama, and this is 33.

So after years of dangerous disinformation being spread on social media, it is time for Silicon Valley Valley's unregulated days to end that is the message President Obama delivered to an audience actually at Stanford University just this week, where he said, quote, people are dying because of misinformation. People like Putin. And Steve Bannon, for that matter. There it is. Understand, it's not necessary for people to believe this information, in order to weaken democratic institutions.

You just have to flood a country's Public Square with enough raw sewage. You just have to raise enough questions, spread enough dirt. Plant enough conspiracy theorizing that said citizens no longer know what to believe. Now, I applaud the President's message. But I have to ask, Where have you been? This is a speech that should have been delivered years ago, and not on some random Thursday in April at a California University. But on a platform the whole world would pay attention to.

If Gurdon if governing me hearted daddy was a person, that would be Yeah, where were you? Government harder daddy. It's like, what sick? It's sick. Would you ever think we will be in a day where the media especially the left wing media will be telling the government? Yes. Yes. Governance harder? No, no, but it's it means the left is right, right is left up is down. Red is blue. Who the hell knows who's right? Or you have people who are saying on the right hand side?

No, supporting Russia or don't want conflict with Russia is completely weird. And I know let's say a weird a lot. But I don't know a better word for is Well, that's nice. But that shows the brain. Yeah, that shows you that. It's, it's not about conviction. It's about other things. And I would say money. Money drives a lot of decisions people make and that's our only hope. So we got that said that said it every

day. They that's why Twitter was what sold at the end of the day, if they could have somehow said okay, we can not sell it and not get sued and lose a bunch of money. They want to sold it. But it's kind of like That's why capitalism is a good thing. Yeah, I mean, it. I hate to say it, but like greed is good. I mean, that's so bad. They're saying but that's the only logical thing we have left. Is if is monetarily beneficial or

not. Everything else is just is propaganda. Yes, sir. All right, so let's go ahead and get to it. People are dying part two. Our panel is back with us. Maya correct me if I'm wrong here. Those are my thoughts. I'm a firm believer that we have a disinformation pandemic around the world. Your reaction to Obama speech. Well, a I'm glad David I'm glad that he was fairly unvarnished I'm glad that he actually do you have any more Obama in this clip? Was just just them.

Talking about it. I think just even talking about right because I want to share, I want to share a clip that I that I clipped from this that completely corroborates with him being in charge. The First Amendment is a check on the power of the state. It doesn't apply to private companies like Facebook or Twitter, any more than it applies to editorial decisions

made by the New York Times or Fox News never has. Social media companies already make choices about what is or is not allowed on their platforms, and how that content appears, both explicitly through content moderation and implicitly through algorithms. The problem is we often don't know what principles govern those decisions. And on an issue of enormous public interest, there has been little public debate and practically no

democratic oversight. Any rules we come up with to govern the distribution of content on the internet, will involve value judgments. None of us are perfectly objective. What we consider an unshakable truth today may prove to be totally wrong tomorrow. But that doesn't mean that gets better. Some things aren't truer than others. Some are truer than others, you know, you've got your alternative reality are that we can draw lines between opinions, facts, honest

mistakes, intentional deceptions. We make these distinctions all the time in our daily lives, at work, in school, at home, in sports, and we can do the same when it comes to internet content. As long as we agree on a set of principles, some core values to guide the work. So in the interest of full transparency, here's what I think our guiding principles should be. The way I'm going to evaluate any proposal touching on social media and the internet. Yeah,

it is you picked it up on it immediately. The way I'm going to evaluate any proposal. I mean, hello. I mean, it's one thing to say, Hey, man, you know, before I make a decision, I'm going to look at every single proposal before I, before I give a judgement. Before I discuss anything, I'll look at all the proposals, but no, here's how I will evaluate what you will have to deal with. He's in charge. This is it.

What I think our guiding principles should be. The way I'm going to evaluate any proposal touching on social media and the internet is whether it strengthens or weakens the prospects for a healthy, inclusive democracy, whether it encourages robust debate and respect for our differences, whether it reinforces rule of law and self governance, whether it helps us make collective decisions based

on the best available information. And whether it recognizes the rights and freedoms and dignity of all of our citizens. Anyway, I thought I'd play that to corroborate, you know, that's that spot on to say, unshakable truths today. It could be could be facts not being night. Not true tomorrow. Yeah. And I great. You got me on. Thinking that I'm waiting when I hear that what I hear is, yeah, the vet the facts about the vaccine that we had

the information we had two years ago. Yeah, it was on shakable troops. But you know, as you know, as our learning increased, we found out Yes, not good. Yes. No. Can't hold that against us, though. Science, Science. All right. Now we'll go back to to the panel, the second part of the panel discussing this very speech, Obama. No, you actually know, you don't have to play that now. Okay. All right. We've already just jump, we can jump straight to how you ask the question about how

they're going to do it, or who's going to do it. I guess we're going to go and jumping in 35. I think you reminded us that there's choices made in every piece of tech that gets built in every piece of software that's compiled, if we can leverage those choices to be not around our anxieties and fears. But to be around hope. I think we can start taking the right steps in a direction that regulates what's happening in the world out there so that democracy is insured for everyone.

Some of that has to do with political and financial forces that are deliberately manipulating and spreading falsehoods that can have really dire consequences. The good news is I think that everybody's identifying this now as a problem, partly because of what we've seen with the anti Vax movement online. What happened after January 6, and the mythology that somehow last presidential election wasn't

fair. They're seeing vividly in places like Ukraine, the consequences of when you have dictatorships can trawling information. Now, what we have to do is start figuring out what are the solutions, it is unlikely you will be able to change those political structures immediately. That then connected with the broader conference and conversation I had on stage about disinformation misinformation.

Our goal in the foundation is to train the next generation of leaders and give them platforms and connections and make sure they're not isolated and that they're learning from each other across borders. And uniformly they're all confronting these issues about how do I deal with misinformation in my country? In my town, how do I get access to the public so that they know the

facts that are affecting their lives? And so we through the foundation, we're really soliciting from young people ideas, and trying out a bunch of things? Ah, the foundation, okay. The foundation, this came from the Obama Foundation, website, YouTube channel. And then you know, we had 4k views. I mean, for you to be the most popular president in history. Your video had no comments and 4k views. This is why we're kicking their

ass. And I just have to say it. They don't have any pizzazz. The biggest cap in the world or the biggest lotto in the world, everybody loves Obama. Nobody really cares about Obama. This is why his podcast got cancelled. This is embarrassing. The pod father and I got it never podcast before beat you kick your ass kick. You're in the band, Bruce Springsteen kicks both your asses. I'll get on my soapbox for a minute. It's embarrassing. You do it? You do it? Yes.

We have that big team, you will? Well, we got two laptops and a couple of strings and some gaffer tape. Yeah, good. You tapped out? No. So that's why they're worried. That's why they have to control the narrative. That's why they get threatened when somebody goes and buys Twitter, because they're getting beat biased. So you think somebody has the whole platform. And like I said, I'm not capable for Elon at all,

because I can't get past the branch IP thing for me. And then the funniest thing was at all what we can get to last two clips is I had guys I know the Flat Earthers are pro Eli. It's like, what about that dome over the earth that you're talking about? Oh, now you've missed the Space X. Not me. I'm consistent, firm and first baby as above so below. No, but that's that's how crazy what crazy time we are that people are going against things they are steadfast in to support

the hot new thing. And And just to wrap up these last two clips, I sent you a PDF. And this is the house resolution 11154 which you like to read some of that, before we get into these next short clip sharp ideas. I don't believe I've seen this but here is whereas Oh, this is a this is a resolution. So just so this is not a bill but a

resolution resolution. A res a resolution is where in this case the House of Representatives is going to make a statement as to what they believe in in on a certain matter and that will in some, to some degree will determine their policy, whereas October 2 2020 2020 whereas throughout history conspiracy theories that falsely blamed secret cabals or marginalized groups for society for society's ills have fueled prejudice,

genocide and acts of terrorism. Whereas Q anon is a movement promoting a collection of unfounded conspiracy theories

that are spread wild, widely on the internet since 2017. Whereas Q anon initially alleged that prominent Americans are engaged in a secret plot to control the world while using their power to exploit children and has expanded to embrace virtually every popular conspiracy theory of the last several decades from questioning the truth about the September 11 terrorist attacks to believing in Alien landings to denying the safety of

vaccines. Oh, this is good, whereas many Q anon followers Express anti semitic views and the anti defamation This is our show, and the anti Defamation League has said that the movements central conspiracy theory includes anti semitic elements see three episodes ago, whereas conspiracy theories have been a central driver of the anti semitism For centuries, and Q anon conspiracy theories are fanning the flames as anti semitism is on the rise in the United States around the world.

Wow, I've never seen this document. Mo well not only see it now let's go and listen to how these people speak about fellow Americans. H res 1154 from representative malinovski is a bipartisan resolution. It is co sponsored by Representative Riggleman, Brian Fitzpatrick, Adam Kinzinger. Josh got Heimer and Elaine Lauria, and it is specifically about Q anon Q anon is the movement promoting a collection of unfounded conspiracy theories that have spread on the internet over the

last several years. These conspiracy theories undermine public trust in our democratic institutions and our election process. Q anon initially alleged that prominent Americans are engaged in a secret plot to control the world while using their power to exploit children and now extends to a range of

dangerous conspiracy theories. The FBI has assessed with high confidence that quote fringe political conspiracy theories, including Cuba non very likely motivates some domestic extremists wholly or in part to engage in criminal or violent activity. And that these conspiracy theories again, this is a quote very likely encouraged the targeting of specific people, places and organizations, thereby increasing the likelihood of violence against these targets.

Ah, okay. Since that it was at the beginning, which was by far you know, the the cure just my opinion having followed the Q anon. Movement, I guess, quite closely. They put this up front. In this. This is all about Q anon to discredit the pizza party play. Yeah. Not only that we have we have a thing we say in in parlance, thou, thou doth protest too much? No, it's like, come on. What are you trying to prove here, people? And we have a thing in Proverbs in the Bible that was said, Is

your man a wicked man? Please, when no one chases? Who is a good one? Yeah, did they but this is fill in the blank. Because they say every popular conspiracy in the last few decades, so fill in the blank. That throws you in there. You Flat Earthers Oh, yeah. You in there, the people that question and election that throws you in there, you know, I'm, I'm surprised that this isn't called the Adam Curry House

Resolution. Yes, this is House Resolution live in 54, also known as the crackpot resolution. They had to use a q&a because they go to January 6, and that's the justification that yes, people are violent. And one last thing if you could go down and list the crimes. Now these are the crimes they listed as being problematic from Q anon. It's like four of them, I believe.

Well, I'll read a little bit of the preamble before because they say the Federal Bureau of Investigation has assessed with high confidence high confidence with a high when they came up with the confidence that fringe political conspiracy theories, including Cuba, non very, quote very likely motivate some domestic extremists, wholly or in part to engage in criminal or

violent activity. And they list some of these. One a man arrested in 2018 for plotting to plant a bomb in the Illinois capitol rotunda to make Americans aware of the pizza gate conspiracy theory. There you go to a man arrested in 2018 for using an armored car to block bridge on the Hoover Dam bypass bridge. I forgot about that. One. Three, a man in Arizona arrested in 2019 for vandalizing a Catholic church.

That's an odd one. For a woman in Colorado arrested in 2019 for plotting an armed raid to kidnap a child who had been taken from her custody. Her child, her own child. Five a man charged with the murder of an organized crime boss in New York in 2019. What isn't supposed to be a hero. Okay, so much. And a woman arrested in New York with a car full of knives after posting a video accusing Joe Biden of participating in child sex

trafficking and threatening to kill him. Man of all the things To the wow, this, this is huge this is their list of things is problematic because they don't have this house resolution. These people got problems all gets worse listen how they talk about American status is in this last clip.

These are online conspiracy theorists who believe that the world is run by devil worshipping pedophiles or that people like Oprah Winfrey, or the Dalai Lama, who I very much respect are killing people and drinking their blood in order to live longer. Unfortunately, these people do not leave their conspiracy theories to themselves, but to their inner circles, they're online. And they have committed crimes like

murder. And they have plotted to kill one of the presidential nominees, Vice Presidential Biden, today, they spread a rumor that Joe Biden was wearing a wire at the debates, the FBI identifies this group as dangerous, whereas President Trump has called them people who love our country. If the President of the United States will not denounce this insane rhetoric this colt, us as members of Congress must do. And I want to thank the Ranking Member for standing up against

this cold. I urge my colleagues to support both of these resolutions, and I yield back. Did this pass that everyone signed them? I couldn't find it update on my call, bipartisanship. If you don't believe what the States wants you to believe, yeah, you're in a cult. Wow. Yeah, that's pretty that's let me see hr 1154. Let's these are our politicians. Yeah. Bet you can say they post the work for us. No, no. I'm just saying Best Buy in the perfect world, basically be doing our bidding. But now.

It's only see text amendments co sponsors that pass. Actually can't find much on it. I mean, I thought this clip mean that this was actually the hearing on YouTube, but I can't find any more information. I don't I don't know if that's the one. Now that's something different. I don't know if that but well, it doesn't really matter. The timing of it. And you're right before the election

is very obvious what the what they're doing there. You know, what's interesting is that and just our friendship is is also a part of it. But it's all of this crazy, that. For me, there's enough evidence to believe it's just the the evil, the end, which is what I'm seeing Obama doing with the minute all of this stuff that has brought that has because I, the biggest

consumers conspiracy theory of all is God. And I've been approaching the god conspiracy theory from the same way I can approach everything else that I look at, because I'm a conspiracy therapist. And one besides having read Evidence That Demands a Verdict, which really blew my mind. The whole the, the amount of evil that I'm seeing in the world, there has it has, there has to be a counterbalance you can't have

otherwise it would just all be evil. And it's clearly not. So that kind of literally drove me right into Jesus's arms to be quite honest. And it's been very interesting to view all of this through that lens. Or through believing Yeah, cuz that's that's the that's the trend right? I mean, this the on the I'm the mean, the transparency of it. I've never seen anything like this in my life of just how transparent

they are own, you know, blatantly, blatantly open. You mean, this open to the point where it's really shifting the alliances by with Tulsi Gabbard, coming over to Republican side and seeing in No, pushing back the way they are. And, you know, it's just making for strange bedfellows, which I think we're past the old political divide, and it's becoming a good versus evil kind of thing. And it's not all even about believers. You know, because you have some people that are just good people

that aren't believers. But they're like, Hey, man, this is getting crazy. It was crazy. Right, but they're too crazy for me. Right? But we sometimes you gotta you gotta fight something with different kinds of weapons. Yeah. So, ah, okay, Mo change in everybody's life once again, this was a good one I like now, you know, we'll see what happens with Twitter. This will unfold and things will start to take shape and we know what to look

for because we have, you know, somewhat varying opinions. But you know, I love that we both nailed the whole coordinated Obama, Ministry of Truth. You know, the disinformation board and the and the governor of the board, we both saw that we saw through that shit right away, but I really like what you brought in now. With this backstory and yeah, it's creepy now it's real creepy what they're doing. And I think we both agree on this on I want I want to I don't

want people to get confused. There is going to be more control. Oh, yeah. There is no get me twisting on that part of it. It's just about there fighting. Who's going to have the keys? Is it going to be corporations? Or is it going to be a government and I think this is the this is the real battle that I see playing out which is why we hold the true keys to freedom and that is the podcast and and we are completely free and clear of any

of that mess. There's technically no way they can really get rid of us or stop us there's no way they can you know that's why we also accept Bitcoin there's no way to to D platform we are on cancelable and a lot of that is thanks to the producers who we really appreciate for their support. Yes, and I thank you very much and as I always say pay

attention to everything in the true reveal itself. And that may be sooner than we all know with this particular one I can't wait to see Hey mo can't wait to talk to you in two weeks have a good one brother. Talk to you later. Remember us mo facts.com gonna go going on you gone you can