More facts with Adam curry for December 8 2021. This is episode number 72. We are back once again. It's Wednesday. You know what it's time for us right? I'm Adam curry coming to you from the heart of Texas Hill Country time once again to spin the Wheel of topics. All the way to Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Moe facts I don't know I'm great. It's so good to talk to you. We barely speak anymore.
That's what happens. We have a shutter run man, this busy, busy, busy. I don't know what you're cooking there in the back office. But yours. I think you're awful busy. You're doing a lot of stuff. Very busy. Producers are sending value in all kinds of ways. It's exciting new chapter. And speaking of new chapters, I just had a birthday. Yes. And of course, as your good friend. I completely forgot about it. And I think I got your day and a half late. You got me early for the next.
Yes, so was this 41 for you now? 40 Yes. 41 You'll never catch up to me. Did you get anything good? Any any any cool presence? I got a lot of love from the facts family. From the real family as well. Favorite food. Everybody got together and I I'm going out of town to see my mom and pops here. So it's gonna be a birthday week kind of thing. Oh, nice. All right. So does that mean there'll be a postponement on the Lost Tapes for next next Wednesday? Oh, no. No
postponements. Okay, dynamite Wednesday, eight o'clock, set it on your calendar, set it on everything was the eight o'clock. That's right. And and we should be able to get the video into the podcast feed by the next time we have lost tapes, which will work with any of the new podcast apps and new podcast apps calm. Alright, Mo I am super excited. Of course, once again, I have no idea what we're going to do today. But should I just spin the wheel?
Well, I like to say something for we spin the wheel. Since it's my birthday. And we're gonna start a tradition. This is the second year of this. My birthday show is something that I always want to work on. It's not going to be timely in the you know, current event kind of thing. Kind of like a trappers delight. That was another birthday show. Um, but hopefully people I hope people enjoy the topic and you can go and spin the wheel.
All right, I love trappers like can't wait to see what we have for the show topic for episode number 72 of moe facts with Adam curry. Let's see what we got the topic for today's episode is being Black can be bad for your health. Okay, what a birthday show Happy Birthday. All right. So for this show, we got to talk about the Duke lacrosse case, which is not timely at all. No, that's from oh gosh, that's from How long ago 2016 May 2006. Excuse me. So we're looking at 15 years old.
Um, but the reason why I want to talk about this is for two reasons. One, the cow Rittenhouse Rittenhouse case sparked a lot of memories about that case. Mm hmm. Oh, with the prosecutor playing all kinds of tricks, how would the race aspect of it? So it just brought it up in my mind? And I think it'd be cool to discuss it. So we kind of do whatever you want. Yeah, I'm trying. I'm sure it's not just a throwaway topic. I'm sure there's a lot to unpack here.
I hope so. So let's go ahead and get into it. And number two fascinate fantastic lives. Can play more than basketball down in dorm folks? Lacrosse players were cool kids. Good looking big. They were tough. And they were offensive ultra aggressive, ultra focused. It's golf culture with an attitude. They were very popular athletes. Their attendance at parties was a big deal. They ran and they were there together most of the kids are from the northeast. From well established families
I think the kids all want a crack at number one again. And if we're good enough, you know, we're good enough. And I think our guys are good enough. We knew that this team was going places. That's why everyone was so looking forward to the following year. But they also understood that, you know, it's not that easy to get to redo it, you did to repeat. You had these were athletes who knew what it was like that one little thing changes everything.
Do we need to explain for people who may not be familiar with the Duke lacrosse case, that kind of an outline of what was going on? Yes. So in 2006, the nation was rocked quote unquote, by allegations of three Duke lacrosse players had raped a woman named crystal Mangum at an Off Campus Party. And the wheels of justice set in place similar in the case like the Rittenhouse case, that they had to have these boys, quote unquote, that's how they refer to these young men. And that's why it
came up in my memory. And as I was doing that show, I was like, this seems a lot like the witch hunt that happened with Rittenhouse. How they were already guilty. No, in a court court of public opinion. So what I want to do is just like draw some highlights there. I think that's the first time we really saw the council cannon come out. The woke culture in the
university was 2006. Here was it rolling stone that wrote the initial when you're thinking about the Virginia that you think about this is the this is the predecessor to that right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. So when after that. So what you're referring to is the Virginia UVA. Yeah, the right culture there. And this predates that. And this was like on the heels of Katrina. So race tensions were very high as in the current frame that Yeah, that's really good to
frame that. Okay. Yes. So I just want to show if we would have been paying attention, then we could kind of see what will happen now in the Rittenhouse case, but I also want to show that money and power this case didn't even you know, get the wheels going on it because it got shut down real quick. But it was powers that be that wanted to give you oxygen for a political political game and Social Change Game. So there's a lot here. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm ready for the ride.
Okay, so just to give you an example what how the media? That was a I'm sorry, these were three white guys. Right. Let's just make sure three three white guys and raped a black girl. Yes. Okay. Very important for context if they're super important. And Anna, half and half city called Durham. Okay, let me get like, I'm glad you brought it up. I'm from Durham. live. I live in Durham. So I experienced this boots on the ground. You were that you were living there when this took
place? Yes, I was 25 years old when this took place living in Durham. Um, so it opened my eyes to how certain things work as a young man. Yeah, this is this is good for context. Now I understand why it's your birthday show. Yes, it's gonna be a lot of personal context in this because I am a Duke basketball fan. So that plays a part in and we're going to get into the whole Duke University Duke culture kind of thing, how to look that it's a lot here for me personally. So
that's why I want to make it as a birthday. So So I think it's very apropos to do this. So moving back to the clips. This is an example of the anti Duke media and I want you to listen and just mentally compare it to what we heard about Rittenhouse. That's going to be on a jury now. That's right and diamonds handed down arrests made on at least two young men. We're expecting yet a third invite indictment in the Duke lacrosse
rape scandal. Let's go straight to Clark girlband our producer producer What can you tell me about these two young men? They come from some nice homes in the shadow of New York City dance. Let's first start with cars. Lynn's home, it's in garden. I'm sorry. When did you get on the first name basis where the defendant and a first and I had a rape case or not? Okay, let's, Mr. finners. Go ahead. Mr. Finnerty His home is assessed at 1,000,900. About the family, why don't you give them me $2
million. What does that mean? How much their house is worth? where he comes from? And Garden City, New York. Your point is, you would be interested in their backgrounds. We have a rich, is that what you're telling me? Well, I'm telling you, they do have some nice homes. Nancy, and we also have one from Reed Seligman. His comes in at about $1,300,000. A very nice area as well. Okay, what is that it's about a half hour away from Manhattan on the Jersey side. So let's take a look at the house
of the parents of the alleged victim. Their home comes into the roadway. Right? Wait, are you trying to say that the victim is going to be outgunned by money in court? I'm not trying to say anything, Nancy, I'm letting the stats make sure the stats are doing the talking. Wow, she's pretty blatant. It sounds that will sound a scripted, though. If she was being sarcastic way for a reason to say. They're rich, right? Okay. So she was being it was built, this clip was built this whole I
got a set of clips is built around sarcasm, but got it. It's a reason why she's doing this to say, oh, you know, they're gonna get off. And I want to make like something right up front here. The thing was the thought, when we when people first heard about this case, is they're gonna get off. And it's it could be even known to two things to be true. This is one of those cases. That one, the feeling that they're going to get off regardless of
what happens. Has nothing to do if they were guilty or not. Does that make sense? Yeah, no, I, of course, I totally agree. I mean, I I was 2006 I was in I was in the United States. So yeah, I recall this Sure. Whether they're guilty or not, they're gonna get off. And that's what really rubbed a lot of black people quote, unquote, black people the wrong way. Because like, oh, you know, it's
dude. You know, they always get away with everything. And that's the culture of do a lot of that played in with the basketball team. We might talk about that a little bit, but I just want it like that. That's the thing that rich, white cross playing. Do players are trying to get off regardless, interestingly, now 2006 You said? Hmm. So I I was really busy, you know, with podcasting, building podcasting. 1.0. But I do remember the case.
And what is interesting as I was like, not watching news at all, maybe headline but just like, just whatever trickled through completely focus on something else. What I do not remember, is the victim being black. Yes, that's your whole that was the whole linchpin in the case. I don't I do not remember that. That didn't get through. It wasn't communicated. Of course, I wasn't doing media deconstruction at the time. Alright. And that's the thing is kind of cool that we get to look
back at this K. Yeah. Which no other podcasts probably never gonna talk about, again, maybe until like, five years from now when it's like the 20th anniversary, but we beat him to it. Um, so you but also what, what podcasts would have to host saying, hey, remember that Duke case? Yeah. Yeah. What? I don't remember her being blackout. Right? No one would remember that. No one would even think to talk about it that way. And the fact that I like said, I lived in Durham, I was a huge,
I'm a huge basketball fan. So it had a certain in certain connotations to being a Duke fan, which we'll get into as well. So I'm so guess we're going and getting the numbers for people that people know this is Nancy Grace, if you didn't catch her voice, and this is part two of that clip. Okay, and let me throw a stab at you. Okay, faults, rate reporting, false sense of self salt reporting is somewhere between the low numbers of two and 8%. Okay, so you can roll
all that money together? And it means not a hill of beans. In my assessment of this case? Are you saying they're gonna hire high priced lawyers? Is that where you're going? No, I'm not going anywhere. I have some more stats. To look at the incomes of these three towns where all three of these players are from in Garden City, it's around 100,000 nest expels about 150, which is very, very high in the United States. And in
Durham, North Carolina. $43,000. And lastly, where they went to school if you're interested, these two private schools, they clock in at about $23,000 each. And of course, where the alleged victim went. It's free. I want to go to Stephen Miller with Ed Conservative Union. Stephen Miller. What's yours? spots are the indictments handed down in the arrests? Well, I think I speak for many students when I say that we're very, very concerned that two innocent people may have possibly.
Is this Stephen Miller? The the bald guy who is in the Trump administration? Yes. Yes. Interesting. What? What outfit was he with here? Let me see what the Duke something is something associated with do students? Do students something? I'm sorry. Um, I didn't catch that you started. Maybe? I'm gonna go back a little bit. Yeah, just I just thought was interesting that this guy pops up in 2006 in this role is kind of cool. It's free. I want to go to Stephen Miller with a D Conservative Union.
Deep Conservative Union. Conservative. How do Conservative Union? Yes. Okay. Got it. Stephen Miller. What's your response to the indictments handed down in the arrests? I think I speak for many students, when I say that we're very, very concerned that two innocent people may have possibly just ever lives ruined. You're saying it's not possible. They're innocent. That's not even in the realm of possibility possible. But a grand jury has heard evidence and deems fit to
go to a trial. And we're saying that ever hearing what the victim has to say, you're saying the great I'm not saying? I'm not saying I'm convinced at all. And your first problem is to innocent people. I said, I didn't say that. I said we're concerned that it's possible that two innocent people may have had their lives ruined, because this case does have many irregularities and many inconsistencies. Esther ah ha going to you ever sister. Oh, man, lo Are you? Are you seeing the parallels now?
Yeah, this is very, this was a yes. It's I love seeing this media job. Although, of course back in the day, it was only HLN headline news that that would do this type of reporting. And now it's just everybody. Well, there were some big heavy hitters. I don't want to spoil anything, but there was some heavy hitters that jumped on the Duke is Duke lacrosse players is guilty bandwagon.
Oh, lots of people. Sure. Yeah. So that's the crazy thing about it that um like I said, this is the first time you really saw the academia step up and take shots at his own school and the media to you know, you're guilty for white men to say you're guilty until proven innocent. We this this was not really seen before. And this is a very well how does that tell you're going to head there Ever Had there been anything like this or similar since Tawana Brawley in the in the 80s in New York?
No, no Hatton. And that's the thing, man, this is like I said, This is that time when? No, in most cases, this case would have been okay the cop show up listen to both sides of the story a you guys go ahead and shut the party down. You go home sleep it off. And it would never been heard of. But there were political motives and social motives at play to take down the patriarchy. So this was like the first hit at the at the patriarchy and family and that kind of thing.
Yeah. And that literal patriarchy sounds like. Yes. And you heard what she said, Who cares about what two innocent guys? You know, it's about what the victim and yeah, this, this plays into what you were saying about the VA, UVA case. That's what this was the root of that. of the college campus rape culture kind of thing. Oh, right. Right. Right. Right. The rape culture that yes, I remember now. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So this is this. This is the this is the big daddy of
them all. I guess we can go ahead and get into Part Three now, because this case does have many irregularities and many inconsistencies. Yes, I do. But I would appreciate it. I mean, got a mother. I mean, what your first concern is that somebody is falsely accused Don't Don't tell me what my first concern is please, my first out of your mouth. Maybe I'm crazy. I don't wear hearing. That was my first concern when I first heard these allegations
was that a innocent woman had been raped. That was the first thing that came to my mind. But as the facts start to come out, there was many irregularities and inconsistencies that troubled me like many other people, you've talked on the show about how she had bruises on her the day after, but a photo before before the alleged rape occurred shows that she had
bruises and open sores on her body. We also had the Newsweek says at 1203 Yeah, what Newsweek says that in the report, it says that there already bruises at 12 we get another reaction from Monica Johnson Hossler, the executive director of North Carolina coalition against sex assault, your response I think what I would say to this, Nancy is and as Dr. Baker spoke to earlier, that when you have rape victims, oftentimes the story would seem, as Mr. Miller just stated,
irregular, inconsistent. And I think the reality is that the story often comes back to the victim in pieces. Because as Dr. Baker Baker always also said, that it's something that you don't necessarily want to call recall and talk about at that
point. So I think that's the first thing I want to say about this case is we shouldn't use the word irregular, or it changes but really think to the fact that this is something that people are asking over and over again, the sexual assault nurse examiner, law enforcement, her parents, her family, everybody wants to know what's happened. Man, so yeah, so they had it out for him. And it's a reason why
Duke is the epitome of whiteness. Um, and what I mean by whiteness is the Wasp aspect of it the white Anglo Saxon posture, male Sure. The way Duke got his money off of tobacco and other things that we're gonna get into later is very problematic. Mo. Yeah, this was the perfect and people hate do I mean, if there's a literal hate, for do? Okay, so this has to be some kind of setup, then I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna jump ahead.
Yeah, I mean, we're not gonna it's not gonna do spoilers not gonna be an outcome of the case, because the case is 15 years old people know how it ends? Yeah, sure. It was the it was the, when you look back through it now through the 2021 lens. And what we've seen now you look at this case, it's like, oh, yeah, this was clearly your set like you're you are you rip it out? And this is, this is a setup, because he's not there. Do we need to? For people who don't know living in different
countries? Do we need to talk about the outcome? So they have that for the context? Or is it okay, just to go forward? Well, this next clip jumps forward, okay, this in close to modern day times. So it will explain what happened in the case, Aleksei you big got off, let me just say that right now, they got off, and rightfully so. But this is Nancy Grace. And she's gonna be called to how she held a case, by Jim Norton and Sam Roberts.
I never dreamed growing up on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere, as some people would say that I would ever have a show on HLN. So it was beyond anything I'd ever really dreamed of. Did you get it? Did they ask you to leave? Or did you want to leave? I wouldn't say that I wanted to leave. I felt like it was the right time for me to leave. Because I'm leaving behind a lot that I'm going to I want to get.
I had like, well, I'll be honest, I had a problem with you for a long time, because I felt like you were capitalizing on tragedies. And I'm sure you were accused of that before where were you capitalizing on this stuff? As a crime victim myself, I guess it's the way you look at the world. I invite crime victims on and tell stories from their point of view, I help find missing people and help solve
unsolved homicides. So what I we tried to do is take a story. And I bought this really from my law school days, where I would have to condense a very difficult and convoluted case into something simple, and did with juries to break down complicated and convoluted facts and give it to them. 123. That's how I look at cases, I usually come up with a moniker and for whatever case it is, it could be the scenario, it could be the defendant, and that's what I call it.
And then do we have to ask you what to do grape case? Because you know, look, I underst I thought those guys were probably guilty too. When I first saw that they didn't look it didn't look good. But then you would have been pretty hard and and Mike Nifong got. I guess he was just barred. And you didn't? Or did you come on and clear it up? And I just thought it was well, if you
read the transcripts before you asked me the question. There was no point that I ever said these guys are guilty, although it's been commonly and very happily portrayed that I did. Wow. I'm thinking to Nancy Grace could be a pretty good propaganda agent. She is I mean, you heard what she said. She says she's able to boil down boil it down to 3123. Boom, you got a jury? Yeah, that's a skill casting spells. That's that's an example of casting spells. And
then she says that, oh, she grew up on a poor dirt road. Now, this plays into the fact that this could be the source of hate that she had for dude. And he's pretty These are the dude, these Duke lacrosse players were like the epitome of preppy douchebag cocky jerks kind of thing. You know what I mean? Like they were the epitome of that. And you heard what she says she grew up on our poor dirt road. So as you saw this endurance live in
Macon, Georgia. Yeah. So yeah, but you saw this living in Durham that a lot of people that went to Duke came from up north out of New York, as you heard what the three guys that he laid out where they were from there in the, in the state of New York, rich, kind of, you know, like, say, waspy people that come down south for the Southern Living. So they're not natural to that geographic area. So there's always going to be conflict between the local white people and the Duke students.
Oh, yeah. No, I thought this is great context. I had no idea. I don't know anything about Nancy Grace. Yeah, so I shoot now I'm looking at it now. So when she led off with that I grew up in a poor dirt road. That was her. I believe that was part of her motive. Like these rich, no preppy, right. Wow. Yeah, that's totally makes sense with the first clip where she's like, Oh, no, don't tell me. Yeah, okay. Got it. Yeah. And then the fact like says, she says she can No, boil it down to
two or three words. That's why we saw the Kenosha kid. We see the kind of thing and we see these types of things now that play out where they just boil down. To 2123. Braces, Kid douchebag. No, good. Guilty. Yep. So that mean, just to give it context, and you heard her, um, this she said she didn't ever say that they were guilty. But in the previous clip, she said false. Rape victims only say that I mean, are only occur, like maybe 8% of the time, the
number she threw out there. Yeah. So she said, nine, there's only 90% chance they're guilty. That's what she the way she put that. But I know a lot of people who would do stuff like that, and do put in a little tricky words, as I'm looking at you divorce, little tricky words and come back. And they're like, no, no, no, no, I never said that. Okay. Give yourself out. She gave herself she never said it. Um, and you said, she said, read the transcripts. She never said it.
But she also floated the idea that they were guilty. He said, Who cares about these innocent kids? You know, that kind of thing. She said, You're gonna lead with two innocent people, which is a br Laurier. I was spent more from her, because she said that she went to law school. So I think there should be the first thing in being a lawyer. But that goes to show you these people don't care anything about law and justice
mean, they don't care about law. They care about justice. And as we said that justice is not what they what we term it's also with equity, with respect to lawyers, people who have studied law and and it's easy for people to hate lawyers, which but I don't I have many of my friends are lawyers. But the it's like you're blessed. Many of my friends are black. And many of my friends are lawyers. I'm so blessed. Yes. No, but if you look at who's on television, if you look at who's in Congress
now that's changing is a hell. Just a heck of a lot of lawyers. Almost prerequisite almost. Yeah, yeah. You have to study law. And and I'm always amazed that Fox Can I always find the hot looking lawyers. That's that's the thing that always amazes me. But yeah, is you have to have a law degree and that it's like just you're just learning. But you know, some special language and you know, some certain certain things by heart and you understand some principles, and then you're good
to go. You're in a whole different atmosphere, a whole different stratosphere. Where the problem with law is you should be no, whatever the facts say. But, like with journalism that we're seeing, everything becomes opinion, exact. Now, it's about a period and it's what we saw Nancy Grace, it was about opinion. Um, so yeah, so they got the the guys got off, I guess this would be a good time to get some of the details of the case before
we move forward. Okay, just to let you know what we're always hearing on the ground because I was hearing this from local news. Just wake up in the morning, get ready for work. And this is the news story that we kind of heard. And it was basically when it first hit. It was that she was raped by 20 lacrosse players, right. That was the rumor on the street. I mean, that I'm just giving you what was going around town that she was raped, raped by 20 lacrosse players, including a
broom handle. Um, so everything was in Since and inflamed Wow, but that wasn't reported on the radio that was just the word on the street.
Well it was kind of alluded to because there's some there's some facts to each individual thing I pointed out because her original claim was that she was attacked by 20 guys and then she bought it down to three and there was some kind of altercation between her and she was another stripper there with her behind just okay let me back it up a little bit just common assume nobody knows everything No, sir. So alright, so what happened was the lacrosse players wanted to have a party.
They caught up a escort service order to white strippers, and they got a black and a half, you know, an a black and half black. So I mean, that kind of ruined their party, because they were looking for, you know, white girls. So the black girls come there, Miss Mangum, the one that gives a be an accuser. She's
high and drunk when she shows up. There's a confrontation between her and the players and then the other stripper and the players about penis size and they're being too small, that kind of thing and one of the players brandishes a broomstick and suggest that he'll use it as its next toy. So that's how the broom came into the room. If somebody is telling you this is how I'm cuz it was very inflamed and dark, very inflamed to the point.
The police received a 911 call from a woman complaining that white men gathered outside the home where the party took place had called her racial slurs and threatened to sodomized her with a broomstick.
Right but the rumor was that she was sodomized with a broomstick and attacked by 20 men yeah so you imagine that hitting the ground you know like a lock locking go halfway around the world before the truth now in some kind of thing choose 2006 mo what was what was your communications network with your friends if we had we had internet but we no email there anything? Was really phone call. Was it MySpace? Next to chirps. Next tail chirps.
Yeah, like the next. walkie talkies. That was a that was a big thing. No, you really have those. Yeah, that was the that was the thing. That was the real shirt. Yes. That was the theme thing. Yeah. Oh, man. What now? Do they have range? Or do they talk to? They talk to the network, didn't they? Yeah, it was you talk to the network. It just came through as like a walkie talkie shirt. And who could you talk to? Anybody else that they had next to? No, I'm just kidding. I'm dating myself.
I'd forgotten all about this man. Oh, yeah. That was that was the that was the that was the you know, to LCG mix to goodness. That's that's yes to funny, man. I love that. So now another thing that came out was the MC fat and email and this was a couple of hours at the party and it Robert fat and a member of the lacrosse team sent an email to other plants and he plans to have a go. Strip. Oh, yes. Rashad say that.
That was the that was a status symbol thing that was like the iPhone before the iPhone. Yeah, exactly. So Okay. All right. I got you know. Yeah. So there was an email that was sent around. And it was saying that to whom it may concern not tomorrow night after tonight's show. I'll decide to have some strippers over to eating See, I think that's the address. wherever their address
was all welcome. However, there will be no nudity. I plan on killing their bitches or see my language as soon as they walk in and proceeding to cut their skin off. Wow, excuse my language here coming in my do issue spandex call and massage arch tak to the team members, please respond. So that that was a reference to American Psycho, I believe. But the DA took it into context took it serious threat. Right. So they invited but they weren't. They wanted white girls before email was even sent out.
So that's the weird thing, but they made it seem like this is a modern day, not Klan rally. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was it was a it was a huge thing. But the funny thing was, is no, none of that stablishment machine, as you will say like the NAACP, anybody really touched this. Because dude has do we have power we're gonna get we'll go ahead and get to some of that. But before we
do, they had to go to the beat Team of race hustlers. And this was a guy named Mike leet shabads of the new Black Panther Party, not the new new Black Panther Party, but the newest generation at that time. And he's on with Michelle Malkin from Fox News and this is after the charges have been dismissed. I apologize that we're going out of order. But it'll make sense in a minute, but here they are their exchange.
In the factor follow up segment tonight. As you may know, the Attorney General of North Carolina has dropped all charges against three Duke lacrosse players who were accused of rape, sexual assault and kidnapping last spring. When that happened, the new Black Panther Party descended on the Duke campus demanding justice. We will be here from gavel to gavel to when the final jury verdict is read. And we demand and are pursuing that this jury
verdict come back. Guilty. Gets the accused. It should come back. What is it come back? What do you find? The two defendants the three defendants in this case. When a case started to fall apart, Malik Shabazz, the General Counsel of the Panthers entered the no spin zone. But I never said they were guilty of rape. I said they were
guilty. And I still stand. Say that this case is a strong case for sexual assault, kidnapping charges that can and probably will lead these young men leave these young man behind prison walls and in cases drop will indicate to you this society is racist. It will be proved to me that Mike Nifong doesn't know what he's doing. Wow, I love that. No, no, I didn't say guilty of rape. Dude guilty of being white. You know, they were just guilty, man. Now, are you seeing similarities now to last show?
Yeah. What's interesting is that this is this is happening on Fox News at the time with Bill O'Reilly. Yeah, it's that he's playing a roller Tucker. Yeah, it is definitely like a, you know, a repeat of history. But history or just repeat of the act. When the cat the council, I mean, the council blueprint, this is mercy. The only difference was this was pre social media, right? And pre all that you know, is take away your
next tell chirp, right, so you can get the information. And this is kind of where Black Lives Matter was kind of birthed out of the fact that you had to depend on militia bands to get the Black Panther Party to show up. I mean, they couldn't make it and get boots on the ground or get people to show up as easily as they could Black Lives Matter when they came through with the whole social media apparatus that can mobilize
people. This could have been very bad if it was then. I mean, if social media was around in like it is even what, two three years later? Yeah, it was just about well, Twitter was coming coming in around this time. It was or Facebook, at least for sure. Right. So I mean, just saying this is this, this is how it
used to work. And this is why like people like Al Sharpton were so valuable then, because he would get these kind of guys on the phone like, hey, we need boots, you know, down in a Yeah, he could mobilize his action network. Right. So let's go ahead and listen to the second part of this. Knockout. Mr. shabam joins us from Washington. Good evening. What
do you have to say for yourself? Now, Mr. Shabazz, I have to say that I am disappointed in the terrible performance of magnifico, that the victim who the CIM the accuser, in this case, is a real victim here. And I still believe that something criminally went wrong in that house. And this case was bought was botched by prosecutors in this case. So I will not apologize. And I will not apologize in my defense of
black women who have been raped and abused by white men. Over 1,600,000 Black women have been sexually assaulted and raped by white men since we came here on slave ships. None of them have been prosecuted. I will not apologize for defending black women. You're not going to apologize to the Duke lacrosse team that you smeared that you convicted? Didn't you hear the North Carolina Attorney General's statement? Didn't you hear that? That they that they're the evidence is that there was no
attack? What exactly are that? I didn't hear that. I'm a criminal defense attorney. Many clients that I've had the cases have been dropped against them. But I can't say that nothing went wrong. What I hear is political pressure that a powerful white university with powerful rich white defendants. Woman The case has been thrown out but me phone didn't interview the witness and charge the case properly. Me phone nine didn't give a exculpatory
evidence to the defense. It is Nifong, who bites This case, and all women who will bring sexual assault charges in the future are adversely affected by this. Wow, that's so similar with the blaming the lame ass. Lawyers Hold on a second. How, what is this? Over 1 million black women have been raped by white men since the beginning of the country. What is this all about? Is this a number, Dr. plantation? I know rapes. But I don't know where he got that number from, I don't know.
How do you get a number? I mean, who knows what the number is. But it rolls off the tongue. It's a good push back. He knew he was wrong. He knew that had no case. And he got duped. He got got I mean that that's all it is to it. And, um, as you heard him say Nikon is at the center of this, which nightfall has some very ulterior motives for pushing this case and let it go as far as he is.
But he did bring up one great point. These are powerful white boys, young men from powerful families, and they're backed by one of the biggest powers. I mean, you can't even imagine how powerful Duke is. Seriously. Um, the only thing I could equate it to I have a clip here for show 66 Go back and make Duke has the same relationship with DERM that John Hopkins has with Baltimore. Yes. Okay. Let's get to this clip. And that takes me to my next question.
The relationship between Hopkins and the local black residents in East Baltimore. You know, you talk about and the relationship of medical institutions in general, you talk about, from doctors to Robin graves. He have a section a book about that, which is really fascinating. You talk about how Hopkins was known as the plantation. And, you know, there's also people like Henrietta Lacks who, whose genetic material was harvested by Hopkins without consent as well.
That's true. And so one of the Hopkins presidents once said that Hopkins is a is not a good neighbor. And all this has come to play in East Baltimore for people remember the days when a 1200 the home so 1200 black people were demolished in order for Hopkins to construct a dormitory housing 205, POCs and doctors. So there's lots of distrust towards the Hopkins and
in the recent controversies that we all talk about. All this has come to play everything that Hopkins has done in the past all its crimes have have been mentioned to Henrietta Lacks experiments with lead paint all kinds of stuff. Yeah, fine bunch of people. So as the plantation I mean, in I don't mean in a disrespectful way. But what I mean, is they, they generate so much jobs and money and but also James Buchanan, who established Duke, he had tobacco plantations,
that I mean, yeah, that's where it comes out. But even when slavery ended, it was the same mentality sure that you had to either work at Duke or work at one of the, you know, the American way Mo, what are you complaining about? America? Yeah, the Americans, but the weird thing is, is that it's you have this large number of black people. Because dharma at one
point was like, 5050. Yeah. So it's this weird relationship between you have a large number of black people but they're dependent upon all the white people in the in the powerful center of the it's really one family, it's the Duke, the Duke Family, because we're gonna get into the Duke history and how power I don't. When people you make a dumb ask this question, before we get into that, when you think of Duke, what do you hear when you think, Okay, I'm glad you asked me that. Because I was I was
actually going to ask you why. When we think of top universities, is Duke rarely mentioned. It's always Stanford. It's Harvard at Yale. Why is Duke rarely mentioned? I'm not quite sure why and Now, mind you, I didn't really go through the to the US school system. I went to Salem College, West Virginia just for three months. It was not for me, so I don't understand the affinity even with university. I although I comprehend it. I don't know I mean, I'm looking at Duke right
now. I'm going Holy crap. 50 Rhodes Scholars amongst alumni. This is a very powerful entity. This is a this is a powerful group of people and I don't know why it's never mentioned. amongst all the other Ivy League elite schools. They they're Ivy League but not an IV, you know, in a weird way because it's in the South. That's one thing. Um, and it's
the way that family set it up to be that way. Even though it's very high level of school I mean institute of higher learning they have of their, their preppy, but they're humble at the same time. It's the wisdom, the founders that made it this way. So I want to get into some history but you only mentioned the university. These entered this, this family was in use in tobacco, which tobacco it was like the lifeblood of North Carolina. Yeah, but they got into other things as well. And
this is how they willed it so much power, the Duke Family. So what I have now is the Duke Family history with Robert Durden, which he is the universe. You do University emeritus professor, and author of numerous books on Mr. Duke, the Dukes marched to the their own drummer, they were
independent minded people. And one of the best in the early examples of that is right after the Civil War, when the Republican Party first comes into North Carolina, not existed anywhere in the South before the Civil War, but it comes into this as part of reconstruction after the Civil War. Washington dude became a Republican. And that was not a country club sort of thing to do. It was not a stylish thing to do at all, because in the asset, the white majority in Washington DC was
one of our other white Republicans. They were known as scallywags. You know, the carpetbaggers were the northern born, Republicans who came south with the Republican Party in the South after the Civil War country consisted of the great majority of the African Americans got the vote. Most of the blacks became Republicans. carpetbaggers and scallywags.
Washington, it became a lifelong Republican and so did Ben and book later two books idea of the greatest president the nation ever had was William McKinley. He had this huge statue of Kinley on his estate in New Jersey. I think dollars later gave it to some little town in Ohio. But they weren't afraid to be different. Think that kind of answers your question? Yeah, this is great. I had no idea about the Duke Family is fantastic.
So they were lifelong Republican, they know, post Civil War, which that made North Carolina that was a very unpopular thing, considering, you know, the Dixiecrats and that kind of thing, but they understood I believe, that they still had a lot of black labor and to have good relations with that black labor force. You know, they had to have certain appearances. Sure. Um, but it's weird because there are Southern
family. But then you have all these northerners that will come out of New York, New York, New Jersey area to come up the Yeah, that makes up the student body of do. So I can say this is weird microcosm. There are there's a very interesting city and just the makeup of it, and you know, the who wields the
power. But definitely Duke is the I say I use this don't use as disrespectful, especially to the people that work at Duke when I say it's the plantation, but it's that mentality of that's the single source of work. It's the same my buddy Dave is in Birmingham, Alabama and the University of Alabama same thing everyone's worked for University of Alabama is huge research money, huge government money. I mean, it's crazy. It's just you know, they control everything.
Yeah, cuz you have the school. You have the tobacco or mean, which tobacco was kind of dead right now. But at the time, like when this was being created, a lot of black men weren't in those tobacco factories in tobacco warehouses and man made a good living. I don't know I mean, they made a very good living for yourself and for the skills they had, but they had even more power than that. And we can get and so on the part two in 1896 I think it was Washington to the new president
of Trinity College. Gilgo personal Kilgore that he would give Trinity $100,000 which was a lot of money then. If Trinity would admit women on an equal footing with men will kill go and the trustees of the Trinity said we gift to have women to have women so long before Charlottesville, a Chapel Hill smell the coffee Trinity College is admitting women on equal
footing with men. Now they didn't have the facilities for them and they wouldn't until later on, when the woman's college comes into existence, it's part of Duke University.
But Trinity began to admit women quite early. One of the earliest interest of the family outside of Durham was the Oxford orphans asylum, which is still up in Oxford, North Carolina, PA, Washington do PA and Ben would get on the early morning training back in the days when we have a lot of train service, and right up to Office spend the day that often is you see what they needed, and then see that they got what they can give to
help the orphanage. So that later portion of the childcare section of the damage grew out of a pattern of family involvement. Family families that huge it's gonna be a huge component of the show, and the lack of family and what the power of family is, but this made the dupes benevolent, right, they were giving money away creating hospitals, this kind of thing, letting women's
women go to the college on equal footing. They were like they're very forward thinking and benevolent, but at the same time, it was still that plantation mentality and and be elitism to go with it. So it's kind of like the company store, right? What do you mean by that? Well, it's like if the university runs everything, and then all of all commerce, everything around that is tied
to it. So you everyone works for it one way or the other. And they can really move people, even in out of their homes, I would say, yeah. And then I guess we can go and get to the third clip now, because the hospital and the tobacco was one no great source of money. But it's this new business they got in really gave them power from a very early period. But Washington do. And then Ben and Brooke, gave money to the Methodist Church in particular
to poor Methodist churches and to Methodist preachers. So that portion of the endowment grew out of the family pattern, now used to fudge a bit used to slide over this, argue that the Dukes business partner, George Watts gave Watts hospital to the white people of Durham in the 1890s, with induced contributed to that, and I'm sure Ben Duke said on the board of trustees and so forth. And then in the early years of the 20th century, 1901 or two, Ben and Buck gave the money for a hospital for the
African Americans in their own the Lincoln Hospital. So as I say, I used to fudgy and say, well, the hospital business was unnatural. And that was an error because the Dukes were not really very much involved in health care. The health care portion of the Duke endeavor is primarily but Dukes original contribution or his singular contribution to the whole
endowment pattern. That business of helping communities build nonprofit community hospitals, that was that was booked Dukes vision would help those communities who were willing to help themselves they had to do some digging themselves for money. And then the data would move in and help them. So they were they were ingrain themselves in everything that was going on in the sound going on over there. Let me throw some
money at it. So it was kind of hard to escape the reach of that you got to keep everybody healthy and everybody working. That's how it works. Yeah. So say all it is, um, they still have issues with the same issues that are on a similar issue that John Hopkins Johns Hopkins ran into with their where their hospital ran. So just just as a little clarity. My first daughter was born and Duke
Hospital. All right, so so this is like I said, this is it's a weird thing because the tension is always there with do and like the students and they share proximity with poor neighborhoods. You mean you have wall town and several other surrounding like North San poor neighborhoods that are just basically divided by a wall stone wall that goes around the campus. That's a short wall, but still it's like, this is Campus. This is not campus. And if there was a harmony there, um, or was
I'm not gonna live there now. So gentrification is really kicked in At similar to what we've seen in the John Hopkins clip, but it's just like saying it's just this weird. You know, it's just castle in the middle of town, and it's representative of the end grain power of this old money. And I think people get caught reason. Another reason I want to bring this up is to show is, I think people get caught up in the new money in the text thing, right? Forget about all of these really old established
product. Yeah. Infrastructure. Literally, I think you were looking into the matt Gill or something. What was that thought the cargo family? That's another way Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Oh, that some fun asked people. Yeah, so the Dukes are the same way. As this is the the tech money is cool. But when you have an endowment, yo, yeah. And it's even better than that. You don't hear about the Cargill family. No, you hear about Bill Gates with his fake
meat. Right, that's by design. Bill Gates is just, you know, a talking head for the Cargill family. So I imagine with Duke it's exactly the same. It's the endowment. It's the, you know, we never hear about the family or anything. It's just but this money is still there. And it's power still there. Yeah. And for a DA like knife on the thing. You're gonna take some of their boys and railroad him. He was a fool to think this. Uh huh. This is who
you're going. I mean, you're going against the whole school to produce his lawyers. I mean, it was a fool. It was a fool's errand. I don't know what he was thinking. Unless it could have been a coup. That like I said, the the student mean, extremely faculty at the college. We're all all for it. For railroad knees. These are lacrosse players. But before we get into that, I want to get into like a little bit of the medical
history. And this is kind of more reflective for me. And we were talking about why why black people don't really go to the hospital or not. There's that thing. Yeah. This is going to answer some of that into more detail. So I guess we can go ahead and get to 30. Before we start, this is Dr. Damon Twitty Tweety, excuse me, and he's the author of Batman the white coat. And this is a, I believe, PBS. And he examines racial disparities in medicine, both patient and medical
professionals. So this will give me the context even at Duke how progressive it is, he worked to do and this is something that he's experienced that he witnessed. Being Black can be bad for your health. It's a lesson Damon tweedy writes in his new book, black man in a white coat, a doctor's reflection on race and medicine, that he learned time and again, in his own life and in as many years as a doctor. tweedy is a psychiatrist at Duke University, where he also attended medical
school and welcome to you. So this you start with this big subject? Is that what started it for you that you wanted to write about? Yeah, so you know, raises this really highly charged political subject that we have in our society, obviously. But for me, this is a very personal story. This is really kind of about my
experience in my journey. All too often in medical school, you learn about health problems in the black community, you learned you hear this diseases, it's more common than then this is always more common in black people. But you didn't really hear why it wasn't this x question, why was a huge issue for me. It was also a big question about how my experience as a young black man was different than the experiences
of other people in my class. Well, that comes through because you also saying that, as a young doctor, in training, you're saying constantly hearing about the medical frailties of black people picked up the scab of your insecurity, you did not set out thinking about medicine and race. No, I was actually attracted to medicine there was sort of like this. It was almost like a post racial kind of mindset, I had medicine to me how this appeal of being objective, you know,
formulas, equations, and it was really, that was appeal. So much of society is messy. And life is messy as a black person. So this was appeal, that it could be objective. And then when I got to medical school, I kind of got a rude awakening that it wasn't. Oh, okay. This is also very relevant to today. But of course, we know that the Rona kills black people because of their skin. If you will listen to the narrative, but they don't never
tell you why. Or they're giving you any explanation. It's just that it kills black people. Yeah. At a higher rate, but there's no there's no discussion. And that's because they is the cost of the narrative. Right. And he got into medicine because it's being objective. Um, surprise,
surprise. Yeah. At the end of the day, it's a business. So and I say, even at school, like do this, um, was very progressive, as you heard from their family and the creation of the whole endowment and what they try to do, it was still these opportunities for it to be right in for it to be racism, and let me let me do a scene is racist. I mean, it's almost anonymous when you hear do well You can do this do color,
I'll just say I didn't want to lead you. But that's great marketing that his last name is Duke, because it's baked in racism and do is baked in to it, um, until they like the name and the whole business. And I think they tried to the endowment tries to, you know, get away from this. But these kind of situation right here made it worse for them. And that's why you're going to see this kind of attack. So, but I want to get into this Dr. Store, because it's another topic, I want to
bring up this personal to me. So let's get into number 14, when you refer to your insecurities. What do you mean? Yeah, I'm come from Prince George's County, Maryland. It was an all black neighborhood that I grew up in just outside of Washington, DC. And I went to a state college and I got to Duke, Duke, fancy private school, a lot of my classmates had parents who were doctors. And so I was willing to care about that. And as a black person, there's always a sort of thing about is
affirmative action part of why you're here. And do you really belong. And so I was grappling with all those things, when I first got to medical school to write about a number of incidents that you witnessed in which you saw white doctors, unaware of the different ways that they were treating black patients, how much in the end, did you conclude that race does play a factor in the doctor's room, in the hospital, it plays a big factor, and often in ways that the doctor and the
patient may not even be aware of. And so it's a there are several examples I talked about in the book. And there's one example particularly so that comes to mind off the top of my head. This was a time when I was going to the clinic myself as a patient. So I'm coming from home and I'm had injured my knee a few days earlier. And I'm dressing very casually sweatpants and sweatshirt, and I come into the exam room with the doctor. And he comes in and he never looks at me, he just looks
at my knee and sort of has me stand up and down. And then says your cane count is going to shuttle me away. And being a doctor, I knew that there was more that could be done or should have been done. And so I mentioned to him that I'm a doctor. And then suddenly he looks at me and his eyes kind of light up and he looks at my knee, he starts to talk to me. And so he really engages in a sort of doctor patient exchange
the way that it should have been from the beginning. And it was a really vivid illustration of how differently you know, I can perceive, you know, one hand, I could just be a young black man who's off the street somewhere and who knows what negative assumptions he may have had, because he didn't engage with me at all. And once he realizes I'm a doctor, it was like a totally different experience. And so I think that really illustrates how definitely things can play out in in exam.
This is interesting, this, this book, I would be interested in black man in a white coat. Hmm. Have you read it? No, I haven't. I've watched several of his hour long. Book, he got the YouTube, right. You're saying he's using the best parts of the book. But it's two things he brought up. One is the, um, am I here? Because I'm a token? Affirmative Action kind of higher? I think they call them diversity hires now. Oh, yeah. It's the thing called
imposter syndrome. I don't know if you heard about it or not. And I plan on doing a bigger show on it. But I want to get into it now just as this because he brought it up. Imposter syndrome is am I here? Because of you know, I'm a token or our diversity hire? Yes. When you feel like you're an imposter. Right? Which can also can, it can also happen when you land a job and you're faking it till you make it and you really don't know what the hell you're doing.
True, but I think the true sense of it is that you are qualified but you still never feel out that you've Okay, agree totally, that you're you belong, I think next keyword and there are people that said that you were Yeah, that you are qualified, because this is the double edged sword of affirmative action is that, yeah, it gets people in the door. But when you get a man with lower standards, then people are going to assume you
were recipient, right of that lower standard. And I actually did a live on this a little while back saying so people want to check it out. Um, but yes, I thought that was one thing. And then the way that daughter saw him once he gave him his credentials, it didn't change the fact that he's black. So it's not it's not a point about black or white in this sense. Because you heard where Nancy Grace was coming from, she's a
white woman. But the fact she grew up on a dirt road, you know, she looked at Duke a certain way, even though she's white and they're white. Sure. Um, that's class and that's right. That's the main point. And I want to point out that here, once the guy Oh, you're one of us. You're saying your you got a white coat today and I'll treat you like a human. And that's that thing of this. You know, us and them kind of
mentality that ozone, right? But in this, okay. But it in this case is not racial, it's more of he looked like a poor kid off the street or is a poor black kid off the street. It's the assumption that you're poor. I mean, this is where the racial wealth gap falls into it. The fact that so many black people are poor. You were saying as soon as you get the association, I got it. Right. It's the same thing with affirmative action. So many people, do
you happen to know numbers? Do you happen to know numbers? How many what percentage of black Americans are poor? Do you happen to know? Ah, what do you say poor? What do you mean? Like the poverty line? Oh, the poverty line? Yeah, well, you will have I will say, I wouldn't use that I will look at medium income. Okay. And, and they pointed out in a clip with Nancy Grace, she was like, all their median income is 100,000 250,000. And then we got to, you know, people from DERM
or black, you know, saying it would be significantly lower. So median income is significantly lower. I don't have the numbers right offhand. But it's definitely lower. And that's the whole racial wealth gap. thing, and it's real, because you know, when you don't have right, but just just just my point is, people who live in Durham, around Durham are going to be predominantly median income, because all the money is is centered in that in that power center, and everyone else is just serving it.
Right? I mean, I mean, you don't have any, you don't have generational wealth just passed down that kind of thing. I mean, it's the institutional problems. And if I was saying like, things like atonement, aka reparations are needed, because then we can get okay, we can move on. Exactly, it solves the problem. Okay. Here we, we know, one group had a head start. In no a, in the race called America, you know, um, we didn't get out the,
you know, the start block as fast as other groups have. And then it's like, okay, I'm running fast, just as fast as you are even fast, when you put your head start are so much bigger. I can never catch up. I mean, it's not gonna happen. Now you can. You, it'd be hard for you have a black Duke Family,
you understand? I'm saying, like, with the aspects of tobacco when, you know, the slave labor and those kinds of things, the institutions, that that's kind of hard to recreate, when you don't have know when you're still playing in the game, right? The only way to start with generational wealth, where there's two ways one is three ways. One is the phony baloney stock market. I'm not sure how much longer you can actually do that. With that with that, but along with that comes high tech,
big tech Silicon Valley. And that my personal favorite Bitcoin, but that may be for a different episode. What that is that they know. But if you have 1000, to put it, I have 1000, you have 10,000 100,000. Even though we're both making money on Bitcoin, it'll always be a disparity there. And that's what you're seeing play out with this whole? I didn't expect to go here. But that's what you're seeing it play out with a whole inflation thing.
Hold on a second. A second. I don't come from generational wealth, per se. I mean, at least none, not where I can not not the direct part. I mean, I literally had to pay taxes, my mom and when they when they both passed away. So it's an it might have been there, but someone screwed up along the way. So I'm just saying that in Bitcoin, you and I could theoretically be kind of starting at the same spot at the same point.
True. Well, I'm saying is for the institutions of the top of the when you look at the top of the I understand, but I'm just saying, Yeah, I'm just saying you're correct. That will never get fixed. We'll never beyond atonement. Moving forward. Each I'm just saying there's an opportunity to equal for everybody.
Oh, yeah. And there's always been opportunities for equal and I want to point that out and for him, but also but also to start new new generational wealth that may be worth something in six generations from now. Right, but with him, he says that when he went to school, his classmates parents were doctors. Is there a second generation in so that's, like I said, That's the hard problem. And all the reason why I'm bringing all this up is all this plays out into.
How do I look to the public? Right, those rich white kids that have silver spoon in their mouth, you know, they deserve to get we need equity. I guess what I'm saying Is it just a knee jerk reaction? Because I'm really concerned? I'm concerned about Mike, my kids, your kids. I guess what I'm saying is, while we're figuring it out, and while we're moving forward with trying to normalize inter race relations in America, really Americans
with America's because it goes beyond race these days. I'm just saying, let's not forget to look at some of the opportunities we can take advantage of now. And that's the point I'm making, that I'm for him to be a doctor, let you know that the opportunities, they're just like this opportunity to make money now for everybody. Yeah. And that's the point I'm trying to make is we shouldn't we shouldn't think Oh, like this doom and gloom mentality like we
would never be able to get out of poverty. Look at look at Nancy Grace, she was eating dirt from a dirt road. Millionaire. Right. And that's the point. That's the point right there. But that's goes to show you that the mental shackles are the real
problem. This is why they remain they remain Yeah. And this is why attack victim victimization, victimhood in the mind, these kinds of things, that's the real racism here is, you know, thinking that the opportunity's not there, right, if you know, it's kind of like the gloves been taken off the jar, if you bump your head in the lid, enough times, usually I always delete steal their horse, people keep telling you, there's a lid there, there's a lid there, there's a lid there, which cracked
critical race theory, which that plays into all of these, like I say, all, all of this plays into it. And this all manifests itself out onto this trial when we get to it. I know people I know, we're gonna talk about the trial, but we have to set it up in this sense. So no, people are people, not people sitting there drinking a glass of wine. They're maybe smoking something, they're chill. They're sitting with their loved one going yeah, let it go mo roll it out slow.
Alright, so let's go ahead and get number 15 became a psychiatrist. Yes, my question. I never thought when I went to medical school that I would become common psychiatry. But as I got into, towards the end of medical school, I took this one rotation just on a flyer and I really enjoyed it. And the patients, told my supervisors that I had a way with relaxing people and getting them to talk to me, and I had a way of connecting with
people. And so that really made me think about psychiatry, there's also this huge issue as an African American, in the mental health arena, half black community is really a big deal, because often black people will be resistant to mental health care or feel like it's something that's not for them. And there's this huge sort of stigma that we that we often deal with. So as a psychiatrist, I've often been one of the only few black psychiatrist. And so there's a huge deal there as well.
Well, this is important that you've written a lot about the dearth of black doctors generally. And you're pointing that is one of the important factors of why blacks fare so, so poorly in the medical system. Why? Why is it important to have more black doctors? Yeah, so African Americans make up about 13% of the population, but about 4% of physicians. And it's like, you know, half a
psychiatrist about the same, really low numbers. And what you often see is that there's this issue of the patients don't trust the healthcare system, because there's been a bad history of things that have happened in the past. And so often, as a black Doctor, I'm there to help sort of be a translator in a way. So that's why we need more black doctors. At the same time, I saw recently, Association of American Medical Colleges, a new report that applications from African American men have
declined. Yes, in 1978 to recently, right. Yes, so then the numbers for black women have actually increased during that time. But I think there's this bigger issue about the way society from the very top down kind of sets that limits the X the horizons and the expectations of what African American men can be. And I think they really filters down they start from the top and the filters down to the communities. Wow, all these things I hadn't considered we've yet you know,
you and I never talk about mental health type stuff. I mean, we I think we're always talking about our own mental health. You know, as as men, uh, that's, that's, that's very interesting. And meanwhile, black America's west, you just be going like to do dumb shit. Stop it. Don't Don't do that. Don't go no, no, no. What part? Don't take don't take the vaccine. That, um, but there are some things that we do ignore. I mean, it's just common sense health decisions. Oh, yes. Of the whole system,
right. The dangers of it's like, oh, Tuskegee, they said we're saying, we fill in the blank and it's like, well, I'm gonna eat the sugar. What not, there's no it's like, Well, that'll kill you. Or I'm gonna eat the salt. What do they know? Right?
It was really impactful for me is is how you and your younger of course, but how you were talking on the live about Magic Johnson and when you found out that the Magic Johnson had AIDS, and what an impact that hit it had on you Yes, as a young man, how old were you then? What was that? 9293 1213 years old? Yeah. Yeah. And, but I think also for for, and I'm just gonna use it for your community. I'm sure that was really like, holy crap. And that's just another part of it. Just that's just another
notch in this whole distrust of everything. And in this pandemic, where it is all Yeah, black and brown people are disproportionately dying. It's like, holy crap, and that just keep pushing the shit out. No wonder. It's not it's not good to live in a state of paranoia, or all the time, or skepticism all the time that lends to mental health problems. You have to double and triple think things like, Okay, what's the double cross? What could be a triple cross? Where
it could be a quadruple cross? You know, that kind of thing. And that's actually how I live all the time. I'm always thinking, what kind of scam is this? Alright, maybe it's someone else's scamming the scammer. And this is how it is trickled over into. This is the point of the show. When these guys called those escorts up there, we're living in the world. We're like, oh, we can man we can do what we want to do. You know, I mean, escorts wedding actually legal
then. I was sure there was kind of some kind of rules but like real smoothes, it wasn't where do what kids do, we can do whatever we want to do. I mean, that's the mentality of it. As college students should kind of feel that way. Right. You're young, you're saying you should have fun, that kind of thing. But for me and mine and be like, Oh, well, you know, this could go wrong. And that could go wrong. And that could go wrong.
You know what, let's just stay at home, that kind of thing. So I've told you the story. I told you a story about the basketball team when I was at Salem College. No, you didn't. And we were in Salem, and clarksburg was out like 40 minutes down the road, that's where the McDonald's was. And I had a car. I had a Chevy Nova, straight six, Chevy Nova, and my roommate, Ty, who was black, so and he would hang out with the bad with the basketball
team. They're like, oh, so let's get to it. Let's get curry to drive us. We'll go to McDonald's. Okay. And so I got six black guys in the car. We're driving down the highway in West Virginia, and I'm doing like 65 and they're in the back on yo, yo, yo, yo, cuz your cars slow down, cuz you're cool. You're cool blood. You're cool. You're cool. I'm like, What, man? I'm just cruising. And I didn't and Only now do I think about it and go, Oh, yeah, no kidding. I was calculation in their head is like
I came from Amsterdam, right? I had no cons, I had no context. And when the calculations go through their hand back six of us back over, get scared to share with them like a Oh, go just give us something on them. You know, just give us something you know, that that's a really nice, they're paranor you like a real time calculation. Yeah, and these guys were from South Chino from, like, Trenton and, you know, all east coast. And so they were like me, you know,
middle class. But they knew it was up and they they knew what West Virginia could be a little different culturally. But Only now do I realize? Because I was just oblivious. Interesting. Okay. And I'm just pointing it out there. Before and this time you didn't you are young white men and how to do these calculations. But now fast forward 15 years? Oh, yeah, you really got to think about I can't say that or how that
is? Yeah, for most people. Now I've created a life and a job in an environment where I can literally speak whatever the hell I want to say all the time. And not have to worry about losing my job. Well, I mean, I can worry value can drop them if I mess it up. But that violated some horrible norms. But for most people, it's just gotten progressively worse, especially in the office environment or in the work environment, the workplace. And this was their first iteration of like said the woke
culture showing his head and the cancel cannon. We got to burn Duke burn Duke. That's the point. So so now I saw I was very connected to do and the reason why is this next two clips is from my former pastor, ah wishes named another doctor, not the William Turner and I think he was over the School of Divinity at Duke and he was also our pastor, which mount level
Baptist Church in Durham, North Carolina. And it was you know, it was a very powerful thing to have, you know, a doctor a PhD, a legit PhD, not one of these Bible College cons, not not them, but it there's There's a just to show you there's a double standard there. It's like, Where'd you get your PhD from? I'll do all okay. You're a real doctor. Yeah, not like a doctor. That kind of thing, right? You know. So. So, here, he had his sermon called the beloved, the beloved, okay,
beloved, and unloving chaos. So he kind of talks about their environment of do when he went there, and he kind of had to be in like the 60s and 70s, when he was there, um, as a student, and he gives that kind of he gives a perception of Duke. And this is kind of like teaching that I can set up under, as a young kid, instead of saying, still teenage years.
What are the consequences of knowing yourself as loved and believing that everyone else is beloved, just like you then set that reality over against the one of knowing that you are beloved. And seeing those who around you treated like they are not the love even more, to see them abused, treated like they are despised objects, to, for the convenience of others. What
we know about being beloved, was set alongside what we saw. And it produced great contradiction and tension 50 years ago, right here on this campus, those of us coming from our own discrete privileges. were forced to acknowledge what they were. It blew my mind to find out that the men on this campus, the West Campus, receive maid service. That is a woman, a person, a human being, would come behind us and pick apart pajamas and anything else we left when we came back or was set in place.
So that's Dr. William William C. Turner, of Duke University and mount lube Baptist Church. I don't know if he's still there now or not? Yes, yeah. I was just looking at their website. I mean, he, I mean, I was, what 19 years old, he does the sermon on there, he does a sermon seated, I can see a little less, he has to sit down dirt and doing the sermon. So he Oh, yeah.
So what I'm going to show you that when you grow up in this kind of environment where your pastor is a PhD from Duke, um, you have several other people in the congregation from Duke, and other universities. You want a music minister, his daughter was like, a super genius. And she went on to go to MIT. It was it gave us the perception, like anything was possible. Sure. So I'm just showing you how, even in an environment that he was saying, like when he went to do the maybes, were seen as
objects, right? But he was, he was loved. Right? Right. He's like, Okay, here's a, you know, black super student, we can love him. But then the main, she's this object. And it's this complex, creative contradiction that goes on. So I'm just laying this all out there. In this place called Do you can have somebody that is receiving their PhD, but they're getting their stuff picked up by a nurse and a black lady just kind of looked
at as, like, you know, just to help. Um, so I'm just trying to say I'm just giving texture to what, what my experience was, and also what was going on at the campus to you know, to develop this kind of culture. So, um, hopefully, hopefully is translating. Yeah. When was this? That clip from what what was the data? And this is the 2018. Okay, not that long ago. Yeah, this is right. This is this is super recent. So, um, yeah, so he was 50 years ago. So that had
to be 1970s 1968. Yeah. Um, so let's get to his second part of his clip. The privilege I enjoyed, was that I knew what it meant to be the apple of my mother's the apple of my father's eye, the darling of my community, my school, my church. So great
distance was precipitated on the inside. Aside from the Naval knowledge of what it meant to be beloved, and then to be treated as unloved, on rope become even worse, to see people like the ones I cherished, and who I had come to love and who are cherished me treat it like they were object of someone else's
desire. housekeepers calm by the first names. People only love receiving paid below minimum wage knowing the school patronized institutions that still practice racial segregation, going to classes where your experience was disregarded that the time came. Where the meaning and experience of being beloved clashed with behaviors and performances that misspoke everything but love. We could keep our eyes fixed on the train that was coming. The train the impression sing about the
set, you don't need no baggage. You get on board or you need to say, to hear the diesel's humming Alright, what do I take away from that? So he was more he was just saying that just texted to get perspective that he was a star student and this goes that town that 10th Boulais mentality of okay, we will sabotage you. But it leads to more to what the doctor were saying as well. Once he knew I was a doctor all he treated me like a human. Um, so
all this is baked into what Duke is. And the reason why I put this these two clips in here is don't Don't get it twisted. The Duke understood donating money to the Methodist church with trigger now to the African Methodist. am me. Sure. Which was the reverend's which they say how to control people. Always got to rev. Alright, so they had all the bases covered. And the reason why I brought this up. Another reason I brought this up is the
reverence were very quiet on this case. They knew where their bread was buttered. Oh, bad. That's why you had to go get a What was his name? Malik. Chabad. Bass. Yeah. You know, I mean, any other time you would have had an Al Sharpton Jesse Jackson. But they knew it's like, you don't really want to step on Dukes toes. So Right. Yeah. What I mean? Yeah, well, this, this is there. They they are Durham and they are North Carolina's business.
Yeah, I mean, in more ways than one. So now we get into the other businesses that they took part in. This is going back to the history clips from Robert Darnton in the business area, I think the most creative thing he did was was the Duke Power Company. phenomenally, creative, visionary sort of enterprise. He got into hydroelectric power when it was the frontier of so many people were scared of electricity, and they had to sell the idea of electricity to
a lot of Milan. Textile Milan was because they were scared of it. But I think that was a tremendous, tremendously creative sort of thing. And one reason he wanted to he got into hydroelectricity was because he didn't talk a lot about his motives, his reasons for doing things but and he never wants to use the term New South. As far as I know, I never saw it. But he was stressed about the poverty of this region after the Civil War, he grew up in it. And I think he saw textile
manufacturing as the best avenue out of this poverty. And of course, he wants to sell hydro electricity to these textile mills. And of course, that's exactly what happened. So that the the Carolina Piedmont became one of the great suitors of the textile industry. Now that day has passed, of course, but the textile industry laid a foundation. What today is one of the most prosperous, economically advanced regions in the country? Wow, man, that was 1905. When they put the they use the dam.
Yes, to generate electricity that that's like back to Tesla days, almost. It's not long after Niagara Falls. Right. And what that does was that opened up the textile mill. Sure. So now the Dukes The hospital. They have the in case, your hand gets in the mill right in the gin and the cotton's the pornchai. Makers, where are you going to work? This not Duke connected, you have the textile mills, which is running off Duke Power. You have the hospital, you have the tobacco company.
Maybe you have the university itself. And it's damn near impossible to work in a place in Durham, there's not insurance by Duke. Sure, sure. But yeah, that's that's the same was like college station, you know, has a&m and there's lots of places that have that rich, rich history of multi generations. But this one's quite unique. So I'm just setting up the opponent. Yeah, that you know, this, this woman and the DA we're going to get Oh, yeah. This is David and Goliath to the max.
Are you dumb? I mean, I don't I don't get where you both both. Sometimes, if you're really trying to run an OP or something. Yeah, the bigger the lie, the more believable it is. And that's the point. It's like, what what really happened here who really put that battery in iPhones back? He knows he knows the politics. Oh, who is going against? Was this the inside coup? And we really have to look at that. And inside was it within Duke University? Yes. Well, no matter
what, no matter what mine, My money's on Buck. Buck, Buck sounds like the guy to me. So to have the textile mills that have the hospitals that have them, the tobacco warehouses, they have everything wrapped up in the whole city. And this guy thinks he's gonna pull one over on the Duke lacrosse team, and it's not going to happen. So I guess, what we can do is we can go ahead and jump into 1980. And this is just a little fun fact. This is from the Duke University Sanford School of Public Policy.
And just to go you show you how some of the things that were going on in DERM are public news now. Not only were you not allowed to sell to non Caucasians, it was prohibited for you to have non Caucasians spend the night
unless they were a household servant. In the early 1930s, the white women's garden club decided that Durham was really missing a tree county that in order to make the city more attractive to people and make it more comfortable for the people lived here that the city should really undertake a massive tree
planting campaign. What was interesting was that the only place the trees were planted we're in Welton, do white neighborhoods like the one in Trinity park that we're standing in right now your own watch street no tree for you that you can see on this map. Every block in the city where they planted trees like this large one right here. There were no trees planted in any of the African American neighborhoods or any of the white working class neighborhoods.
Somehow I remember this I don't know if we had if we talked about it previously. Notice is in the news recently, trees are racist. Oh, of course. Yes. I'm sorry. I'm so good. My history just creeps up on me. Right so this is the whole thing now with trees being racist that that's the whole talking point. Like I said, what was happening in this case? happening at Duke was a really a testbed for what we're seeing with woke culture right now. Huh? Yeah, but dude,
I can see trees erasing. Tree trees are racist roads are racist. That's DERM because they ran out and that's true. Not not the like somebody said the Puerto Rican buses that they were trying to take out the Joan Beach. I'm talking about they use urban development to run Durham freeway right in the middle of Hayti which is a was the Black Wall Street turn right? So these things are real but these won't people trivialize them to the point where they have no they lose
their potency to say oh rows are racist or trees are racist. Um, but the thing with the trees I don't understand it. Why can people plant their own trees? See, this is this is the point where you're like you're saying with Bitcoin or whatever else, do your own thing. Plant your own trees. Don't wait for the tree. to show up what trees are wonder, right? One of the really things that just as a quick aside that can show well, that you can buy a
tree. I mean, you can, but it's kind of like institutional wealth, it's just the way it has to be planted, grown, tended to, or you can come in and just buy the property that tree has been grown on, which basically, you're buying time. Right,
right, you don't have time, you don't have time. Or you want a tree, that I mean, but that lawns and trees that's like one of the most like, privilege themes that you can have, that kind of goes back to what the pastor said, you can you can be the victim or you can not feel like a victim. Right. And that's that's the point I was making that when people say, Oh, well, my why you're kind of different or whatever. It's because I was incubated in a environment, one
being the home. And that's why I say family is important, a huge, important component of this show. Because look at the Duke Family, that was a family, they set out to have a family vision. And that's how you get to that point, right? But But just because you may not have grown up in that type of environment, or that type of family doesn't mean you can't change. It's very hard. I mean, I'm not I'm not being duped, but I'm just saying it's baked into your psychology that you can't do
that there's a ceiling over your head. This is a this is a real thing. Yeah. And for every Nancy Grace, I just take color out of it. But for every Nancy Grace, that grew up in that dirt road, yeah, there's probably 50 that say, You know what, I'll never get past this dirt road, right. So just going to show you that the psychological aspects of no of you know, just the the victim make victimization, the things that sold in critical race
theory, this is all plays into this whole case. But I had to lay it out in this way to say, Okay, this is who they're going up against. Um, and this is why they were so hated. They rep they were representations, physical representation of this white privilege, these three boys was an all the iron was put on them. This is just the wind up, ladies and gentlemen, we're just the pitch is yet to come, you know, it's gonna be great, I think we should take a little break here.
Black men have to be able to sit down at the same table for white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that negro. And the Football League or has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feeling of the white man can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way. Yeah, and I think we've actually been doing some of that today on
the show. Yes, it's good. This is the legendary words of Malcolm X. And we're doing exactly that sitting down and just talking about it. Now we got to talk about the value for value in which this is produced this entire podcast, which means exactly the way it sounds, if you get any value out of listening to this, no matter what it is, that could be based upon three hours of entertainment for yourself, or equivalent to a couple of courses at a university history
class, which is what it is to me. Turn that around into a number send it to us send it to us. And that'll be the value. And the great thing about it is it's what the value means to you something that you get to determine. And it is the only way that we can keep this going now more important than ever, as Moe, you're still in limbo on on your company and your your work. Yes, I'm still in limbo of you know, my employment status. And value definitely is needed. But I want to make one point about
this show. It's not about the downward thinking of race. That's not what the point I'm trying to make is, I'm showing this show is functioning families. Yeah, in life in multi generational thinking, is the way out the takeaway I want people to take away from this, I'm just illustrating how these two things are colliding of people that want you to be a
downward thinker. And you know, you can't achieve this and that kind of thing and being short example of what the Duke Family to say, look, they had plans for their family, you know, what is going to be and that's kind of the same thing. I see that in myself. I have plans for my family. And this podcast is the beginning of it, you know, it's not the end. And if everybody assumes value alone, they're buying into that, you know, the bigger plan because there is a bigger plan.
Yes, and it's interesting that you say that this surrounds family because this truly is the MO facts fam. Yes, the facts man. Family, family and family and we got we got ideas for that. Stay tuned. Also, thank you to everybody who has been diligently using a one of the new podcast apps. So the on cancelable uninterruptible, streaming payments of podcasts in 2.0. You can get a new app at new podcast apps calm, there's, for any platform, I personally,
I like the web players. It has a Bitcoin wallet in there and you can stream value while you're listening to it, you hit play, it starts to hit stop, it stops. But you can also send a booster Graham just like a super chat. And so we just got the software to read that and I was trying to compile the whole list and then
it went away. And so I promise in for the next show, we'll have a number of booster grams that people send through its MO You have no idea how cool it is to see little pieces of Bitcoin come into our wallet every single minute of every single day. And that's what I'm talking about right there. That's that's the fourth thing. People have no clue Adam, they have no clue how
big this thing is gonna be. And their value is the you know, the gasoline is gonna get there and we're just power and new power and we're just stacking that we're just letting that sit in our wallet and that's, you know, we'll be able to maybe finance something bigger from that in the future. Not today though. Is bitcoins about 50,000 But we're not worried Come on go Bitcoin Hey, keep keep talking. But that's about perspective. Exactly. 36 No, no, it's I love that you said I love that you
said you need to grow a tree. Bitcoin is the same way. It's not an in and out and here's boom, here's my tree and now I you know I now I get the Lambo No, no, no, no, no, this is, you know, three years, five years, ultimately, 10 years, I have wallets set up for every single child in my life. And every single one of them has 1 million Satoshis in there. And
sorry, I see. Yes. My point. Yeah, well, I just started this and it's so it's one it's 1 million Satoshis which right now today is about $500 and it when I look at all the kids that I'm connected to it's actually more than I thought you know, it's like there's like 1011 kids so and they're all going to get the the 12 key words upon my death or at other time in the future and then they can do whatever they want and no one can steal that from them no one can take
it away ever no government no nobody no nobody that's a WS that's the thing right there. Hey, you know what, I need to do some kind of Bitcoin thing on the mo faksa Entertainment enterprises network. You should set me up. Get me in touch with the CEO. We definitely do we need to talk to the CEO. Alright, but now we really appreciate people who've been sending in the Fiat fun coupons.
This is through the PayPal or the cash app. This is super important because this actually is funding it while we continue to build for the future. So doing both is even better and we got to kick it off Sakala 20 Blaze on I am Paula we got to kick it off with Buddy Arsenault who comes in with a highly recognizable $333.33 and threes yes it's a it's a nice row of threes. He says the Kyle episode was enlightening. I still love I still love you do I still love you do not quite sure
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There's not going to go which way that they're not I don't think they're gonna reverse the status of the mandate for the for the corporation? I don't think so. I think that Paul OSHA thing was just the tip of the hat to the company's corporate Yeah, right. And I agree they it seems like everyone's ignoring any lawsuits about it or anything. Anyway. The famous with you, Mo I appreciate every one of 250 dollars NS and executive producer credit for calling
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sense in a minute. Because what I need to lay out was the relationship to do the relationship to my hometown, this fragile coexistence of this superduper power structure called Duke University, Duke Hospital, Duke Power, the textile mills and the tobacco company, and how all that played into know the environment of this Duke lacrosse case when it
first came about. So hopefully, I've done that well enough. So people understand and it also sitting on our pastor that worked it do, you know, for many years, what effect that had on me and then also my love for Duke basketball. Now, the see Duke basketball is the big draw at the university. I tell people this right off the bat is kind of like, what's a rock group
with the fans is bigger than the artist itself. Grateful Dead, kind of like the Grateful Dead. I mean, that the Cameron Crazies are the bigger draw, and a lot of kids go to do just to be part of this group of fans. So much. So that guy recently paid a million dollars for the last four tickets to do. He paid a million dollars for four tickets to the last home game against Carolina. Wow, that's not very elitist. This tells you I mean, and it's exclusive. It's not a big
stadium, it's a small, it's a small arena. So you they have to actually spend a night in what's called a saysky view, after the coach to get tickets. Um, and I'll talk about an other side of this, but just to give you context to it. This is dupes cam and crises. For our students and our fans, it's become like a rite of passage. Like it's something that you have to do
I've never low respect for the fans. And you know, I don't take any of them for granted because, you know, they have to rules they have to follow and then the line moderators who monitor the line, I mean, they're they're strict. You know, it says a lot about those, those guys and that's a great tradition that we have, please get on the sidewalk in group order. I want to make sure you guys have your wristbands when you go in doors are opening
in 15 minutes. Our tradition has always been the most dedicated students, the most passionate students should get the best seats. Cameron crazes. It's a it's a really integral part of our culture as a campus and our culture University is something that brings our entire student body together in a way that a lot of things on campus just can't just because of the way that it's such a common experience that everybody wants to experience together.
Really, a lot of the graduates they'll say for that I learned so much about myself being in there. I got to know my classmates or other Duke students great fashion Coach,
thanks. We had an incredible experience and Cameron does over the top of strong and we do our best to research the opponents we research you know, their strengths, their weaknesses, kind of embarrassing facts about them and anticipating what would get under their skin that best and making sure that people are being loud enough people cheering making sure that there's good coordination between the the side undergraduate sections and the two graduate ends is a very
important part of our job and that we take very seriously and that's something that you know, that's been going on for ages here. And some of these these this camping this like months, months, they're jumping up. Wow, this is this is the draw. This is what made besides the academic stuff, but this is what makes Duke $100,000 a year school. Because it is a finite amount of games. It's rock star
celebrity. Yeah, in this. This is what made Duke nervous because you have a black woman getting raped by white athletes on your campus, where your biggest moneymaker is most of the time, led by black basketball players running up and down to court for free. And then you have the whole NCAA slavery conversation. It was just they want this thing to go away immediately. Yeah, I can understand and of course Nikes league lurking in the background.
Got all about those guys? Of course, because Nike pays Coach K. Yeah. Which he recruits the players the players play for free of course they get now is that is that all okay and legally for for the coach to get paid by Nike? Yes. That's crazy. I mean, this is the power strike, like I said this is gives the imagery of slavery. You have a white guy having four or five black men used to do it has one or two white players, I mean starters. So you have about four or five black guys running
up and down the floor. And it's a bigger issue for the NCAA. But Duke is like their crown jewel, right? It's this. It's the perfect, they're the perfect enemy. They have the Cameron Crazies, as he said, they go and look for stuff to troll the other players, right? Right, right, or your mom's whatever on drugs or whatever it is, they're gonna put make signs and stuff about it. And that's another reason why people hate Duke. They hate they literally, when I say people hate do you mean
people hate Duke. Um, so this plays into it. And the most hated person of all, and kind of like a red icon of what Duke is all about was Christian Lightner. I hate to the Christian Layton use a bad dude, but he could back it up with his play. It was four versus evil. He didn't like him. I wanted to jump down and punched you in the face. But if people think sports is goody goody touchy feeling that's not what if I told you haters gonna hate. ESPN Films presents a 30
for 30 film. I hate Christian Laettner Sunday, March 15. At nine on ESPN. Okay, now you're in territory that is very, very foreign to me mo. That's why they had a whole special about what was at 92. So just came out. Maybe less than maybe like maybe 1516 years ago, I believe. The guy's out of college, done with basketball and people still hate him to this day because he was the ideal person to hate. Like he was his preppy white guy but really good at basketball. And he was like you go to do you
have a silver spoon in your mouth? Right? Um, but what I'm highlighting this to say, this is the energy that was behind the trial like yes, we got them. We got we got to do guys, you know, we want to take them down there. No, they're douchebags they're preppy boys. We got them. Right. And that was that was why the media lapstone to hating dude. Because you have like this high like say highly educated and then Holly winning team and Coach K himself. I mean, he was known for cutting
out rafts. He came out under Bobby Knight. So he was that kind of guy. Bobby Knight. Yes, sure. Yeah. And there could be some NK Archer kind of things going on with Coach K, but I won't go there. Because he did come from military. Oh, boy. Come on. Come on mom. So disappointed. Not going. Not and I'm not going because I don't have the fattest kid. I'm just saying that it's awesome. To have that high level of influence over I'm not talking about just pro me on college
players. Right. Pico. He goes to dream teams. And everybody will come back like I'm so much better because the coach Kay so there's some stuff there. I mean, there's some just some you know, tidbits there that you could no probably run with God but we have a Jalen Rose. Oh, the fast following. Have you heard of fat five or not, but they were like five freshmen that played at Michigan, right. And they were like that hip hop
team in the 90s and calm. They had like the ball heads and the black socks and everything about him just just spoke to hip hop. So Jalen Rose, he hated Duke as well. And he's on record here talking about how he hated Duke and Christian Lightner and Grant Hill. The first year the Fab Five. With all freshmen go to the NCAA championships. That is crazy. It's never happened before for
having again. And you guys hated Duke. Yeah, despise them. You actually called the black players at Duke house Negroes. That was the young me speaking. Yeah. This was the inner city kid from Detroit. That felt like I wasn't getting that opportunity based on my zipcode and the financial standing of my family. But you were in a fairly high opportunity situation at that time, though, weren't you? I mean, you're going to the NCAA Finals, you know, in a spectacular team.
And when and when the season ended in April and May, I was right back in. Gotcha. Staying at my mother's crib that I grew up in. Gotcha. The same environment. They'd hold the entire world gets to see me on the big stage rocking the big shorts, black shoes, black socks, people naming their kids Jaylen does now in the NFL or the NBA. People rocking the hierarchies. Right back on the block. That made you better? Of course it did.
So this goes this goes to show you how the kids from Michigan the Fab Five, the you know, the hip hop, basketball players. They hate it to do players. Yeah, keep saying that. But you can hear it in graining. And it's not that hating them personally. But it's like all man and this is where the hate comes from. Now. This is what you're seeing now that like, Oh, let the world burn kind of thing. Like yeah, no tax the rich eat the rich. This was the mentality then. Um, and it was just it was it?
Was it? Was anybody really noticing this? Or is this just hindsight where it's so obvious when you put it all together? I mean, did you feel this at that moment the way you do now? Yes, cuz that's the thing about being a black Duke fan. You kind of get the same mentality. I mean, kind of all your house negro. You are you like the white man's team, especially in North Carolina, because, well, obviously, it would be the state universities obvious. It's obvious the problem with race in America is
all surrounding one thing. We have we have to ban basketball. That said, I've never have especially on Tobacco Road. And I can even be I want to have that conversation with you know, what it is? is a representation of they have it all right. It's like you can't be rich and good at basketball. I mean, like G League. For guys, right? You know, so that's what really is. And they were good. They were really good. And the coach was
really good. And it's just built that hey, up for the team, to the point where he got frustrated that he called now Grant Hill, the Duke Duke basketball team, predominantly white players, say here's the thing it would be you have like three black players and two white players to think it'd be the perfect representation. But Coach K will only take certain kind of black players Oh, what is that that's what that's what you hit the house Negro thing from but His thing was, you had to understand
a order. You had to understand, um, discipline, discipline. I mean, he came from West Point. That's the thing and that equated to most the time his players had fathers that would
be the difference. Uh, you know, it's changed over time because the mean time you have to gravitate but when in the heyday of do and when it was going right when it was really big, and what was really a patriarchal system of gods that were raised by men um so that's why you had the hate and Grant Hill being one and just for
Rosie right. So so people are mad about one thing but then they take they they make it about something else and so they they take it out by trying to destroy the the so if Duke is the family Duke represents Duke is the is the I'm trying to put this together I paid me a whiteness well the epitome of of
the white generational wealth structure Yeah. So if Duke by itself is a family then destroying all families is kind of like a metaphor for for destroying all of the problems that we have is well destroying them if take will take down or do it would have been a takedown of the patriarchy you right right but proves right but by the same time I'm just saying Is it because of this Duke as an example that oh well the clearly we can have any families any families just know
families we can have families because always turns into some power structure piece of crap. So all families have a destroyed price melee To get rid of male leadership and which way to do it is make them scared. So they are now so what kind of pussies are these Duke guys that are letting women ruin their lives ruin their family. know whether or not you're gonna see him stand. This is gonna be like Hamburger Hill like they're not gonna lose the heel. Okay?
But just to give context, the way you say about House Negro, we got to go back and listen to Malcolm X, and to find a house Negro from the field Negro back during slavery. When Black people like me, talk to the slave didn't kill him. They sent some old house Negro along behind him to undo what he said. You have to read the history of slavery, to kind of negros house Negro, and feel negro. And the house Negro always looked out for his map. When the field
negros got too much out of line, he held them back in check. He put him back on the plantation. The house Negro could afford to do that, because he lived better than the field negro. He ate better, he dressed better. And he lived in a better house. He lived right next to his mask in the basement. You included mastery, and more has been closed. You can talk just like his master Master good addiction. And he loved his master more than his master love themselves. That's why he didn't
want his master hurt. If the master got sick, he said, What's the matter, Bob, we sit on the Master of Health. Trying to put the fire out. He didn't want to mess the house. He never wanted it mastered property. And he would more defensive of it than the master was the house Negro classic. So this, this equates to a black, white supremacist. This is what you're seeing now with Larry elders and Kevin Owens, right. Anybody that has you know, speaks well or uses
light logic or that kind of thing. It's like, oh, you're you're saying you're a sellout. You're a house negro. That's what the kind of thing was with the Duke basketball team. We used to look at a grant he'll, he came from a good household. His dad was a professional football player. Um, they didn't celebrate, they didn't know you know, they were very professional in the way they carry things. And that was like born, you know, you post a dance at the slam dunk. And it's in
it's really the thing. The thing was was Wow, because I'm black. You expect me to dance after I have a good play? Right? And it's this there is the real racism is the expectation that I'm supposed to dance or celebrate after I score? You know, like, that's the black thing to do. You understand? You
understand what I'm saying? Like, it's, it was a real, I identify more with do of being hard work and, you know, making a smart play and not the stylish play all these things baked into the little mo cuz I moved to Durham when I was 1011 years old. And this is right when Duke started winning. Right. Um, and grant he was there and I saw this guy that was like, No, I just good. I mean, he was really good. And me coming from a small town NorCal on a moving to Durham was like this the first
time I ever had to live in the city. They actually had a sports team, as you can see on TV. But it was like, No, you can't cheer for do by not, you know, the white team. They're racist. Right? That was I mean, no, that's the best. It will be. Just for content. It will be me in a room with maybe 15 People watching the game and I'll probably be the only Duke fan. Wow, this this. This is a very introspective episode because this is part of the thick skin. It's like I'm looking at like
they're good. The way they're playing is good. And that guy's good. And I identify with them. If you like why you're not in North Carolina fan. Why? Why are you from North Carolina? Black? I'm from Durham and dukes in Durham. That's why I'm a Duke fan. Right so right right. But this being in an environment where you know saying you will get trolled like don't lose Don't be the only do fan there. You're losing. Oh, you're gonna be you know, you're gonna be trolled so hard but this is what
kind of like I have a thick skin. I know sports are very superficial. But it played a part a lot into who I am personally. Because I think I don't care how good you are. I can outwork you you know saying I can hustle you I can out you know that's what dude was known for just hard defense and out hustling. They didn't have the best players but they worked as a team and he Coach K was say that this fifth thing if you all worked as a fish you're saying like, cuz five plays in the
basket. saying you could be anybody. And that would that's the mentality out there that was shaped on me. But when you had that kind of mentality, and that's kind of like what Kanye deal with, right? It was that, oh, you're not street enough. You're not good enough. You're not tough enough, that kind of thing. So all this bakes into me as a person. And so to see this unfold the way it did, it's like, hold on, it's the same way now. It's like, how do you want to get rid of families because
families are white? And that makes no sense. But that's the that's the ideology is going along with it. But I don't want to be long about it. But I was exactly what I just said. Jalen Rose is gonna verify what what I just said. Right. We've got a single doubt Grant Hill, who came from a rich family, college educated parents, because dad played professional sports. Yeah, Calvin Hill was a beast. Yeah. And you were just jealous. Oh, basic. Yeah, I
was jealous. And so it's almost like the movie face off was John Travolta and Nicolas Cage and a movie right? Or even like, another one like ricochet. Remember, Dinsdale was in a movie kind of like that, where it was where it's like, you see somebody you're you're You're the heir to beside however you see it, and you see somebody that has all of the things that you want. And you ready for this, Vlad. And Dean, you think they're soft, because you grew up in a hood, and you pour?
Right? This is what I learned a long time ago, your haircut, how you wear your pants, how you speak your appearance, that don't make you hard. And by the way, it don't mean nothing to be tough. Anyway, the best player, the most talented player ever at Duke is Grant Hill, the most accomplished player, it's Christian late. Hmm. So this is why I started with do because I had a dad, I was more
identify what grant healed in it. And Jalen Rose. Because I had a dad and people will always say you don't know what a street says about cuz you live in, you're saying you live in a nice neighborhood or your dad, a teacher, your mom's social worker. So you don't know the struggle. And it's like how long, right? So I'm just letting this be known that this process in which I'll see now, this was bait in like, say 1112 years old. And this is why this is why the woke culture comes from
sports is a reason why they attack sports. Might be might be thinking this show is trivial. And like, Oh, why don't you talk about sports and basketball and do lacrosse? No, no. And you know, I'm really just being very quiet. Because I don't know a lot about sports, but I'm learning an awful lot just listening to you. Yeah, because it's, you have a coach, which is kind of like the dad, and he tells you what to do and where to be and how to move
and you don't play by his rules. You can get sit on the bench, and he'll bring up somebody more deserving to be on the floor. Like that's what they don't want to teach young men. Right? It's like they want equity, not equality. And I keep stressing that point. They will equal outcomes. You know, if you don't play hard, you don't deserve to win. And sports is the you know, representation of that. And that's why they want to destroy
sports. That's why every time they try to destroy this, whoever it is they they want to come out to sports and Duke the Duke lacrosse case was perfect. Because it's the white rapist you got sports back then. By by association you got Duke
basketball associated with Duke lacrosse. You know lacrosse itself is it's like an elite within an elite because in high school my team my school was like the only scene and accounting they had a lacrosse team and you had to pay to play it was a club it wasn't like most of High School Sports is free no cross is the elite of the elite so they were like yes, we got them we got some white boys from do and we can
associate everything to do go with it. And then in doing so we could take down the patriarchy wow and that's why I'm saying this what we're seeing now and 2021 and this funny that cow Rittenhouse only thing got a dad um of course he has a dad but well still broken home still was a little bit a little bit of the goodness there. But he was associated with the patriarchy. Yeah, because I don't have a dad shown. I'm just going to show you like this is this is how by
now it's just media programming. I mean, it's it just nothing has to be true. That's the beauty of this The assumption is he's a white guy. So he has a dad, you are racist. That is, because the inverse you're saying is, if you're black man, you don't have it. Right. Exactly. And I'm just showing you this. This is I think this was a coup and you can these net clips. I think this came with from within the Duke campus,
this push to take these these these lacrosse players down. And we're going to hear so in clip number let's start with number 26. What was remarkable is that lots of figures within the media, within the Duke faculty and to a certain extent within the Duke administration not only presumed the players to be guilty, but then these very strong moral judgment and it was a completely closed minded, early approach to the case. My name is Casey Johnson. I'm a professor of history at Brooklyn
College and the CUNY Graduate Center. I wrote a blog on the Duke lacrosse case called Durham in Wonderland and CO wrote a book on the case was to retailer called until proven innocent. during spring break, when most of the students at Duke were off campus, the captains of the lacrosse team came up with the not so bright idea of inviting to strippers to perform for the
players. One of them was this woman crystal Mangum who we subsequently learned I had very severe mental problems she arrived she had no particular interest in performing it appears as if she was on some sort of combination of alcohol and prescription drugs. And the party relatively quickly turned ugly there was a shouting match between the other dancer and members of the team by this point most of the guys had already left
wow so this is where mental health comes into it. Yeah, this victim and I haven't talked about her very much but this alleged victim was upon yeah was a beast saw her a VIC yeah good great it's very it's very clear that she wasn't a credible
witness. But politics kicked in it's the same thing with the written house okay, like I said these things these two things are like mirror images but our thing about written our he didn't have the institutional wealth but that's why I say no to me and always can through boys defense fun he had a fighting chance to get out of it.
So ultimately for the love of money is the root of all evil because everything boils down to money in this in in these in these cases yes jealousy that all of it all of it all of it. But it's a structural problem it's a structural issue of I got screwed and I'm owed and it's being played into I'm not quite sure exactly why the Whelk the world culture Mm hmm it's just it doesn't seem like it would ever be powerful enough to take
down these types of institutions. Are they just trying to carpet mom with as much as possible all the time? Yeah, it's a it's a continuous struggle, right it's not gonna be it's not gonna be one hit that takes them down. No, but this was a big hit because if you could get it just take the original story 20 lacrosse players rate blacks let students know the story. Well, this was also a story not strippers student, but this was also an exercise in media. manipulation, baby
propaganda. psychological operation just said that maybe even more so than than anything to see how, how far we could push people into believing again. Remember, I there are things that I didn't even know about the case. Yes, but that's it wasn't. That's because the established media establishment media wasn't in on it. Like they are now. Right? See, the order was different than, um, CBS won a Peabody for the coverage of this case, because they were quickly
exposing the facts. Ah, true. This is the difference now like they have completely and I think John always references on our agenda show, but they've hired so woke. Yeah, that the keys that we're going to school now, so just like 2006 is 2020. Now those kids are graduating to down six or 14 years into their career. And to me, because this is a I mean, Duke is putting out a lot of high level professionals. Yeah. And they're
going off to be woken these companies. And now when they go to the New York Times or CBS they have well allies that will run with the story, which at the time, they didn't have that kind of leverage in the in the main you had to go to your Nancy graces of the world. Um, so she was trying to make a name for herself as well. I think we stopped at what two is that one? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, number two is out.
And then the second dancer woman named Kim Roberts drove off and in a normal circumstance, no one ever would have would have heard of this again. But as Roberts drove off, she was she found out that her fellow dancer and passed out. She called the police to come and get Mangum to take her either home or to a psychological institution. Mangum when she was awakened by the police, she was going to be admitted to a psychological institution and was prompted improperly by a nurse who asked
her whether she had been raped and Mangum system. Well said yes, she was sent to Duke Hospital and she made an allegation. We saw a kind of mob mentality that took hold of the activist wing of the Duke faculty, which culminated in an April 2006 statement signed by 88 Duke faculty members called the group of 88, in which before any charges even had been filed, these ADH faculty members took out an ad a full page ad in the
Duke campus newspaper. They unequivocally asserted that something had happened to Crystal manga, or she was claiming rape lacrosse players that said nothing happened. They said that they would continue their activism regardless of what the court decided or what the police said. And they thanked public protesters for not waiting and making
themselves heard. And the highest profile public protest that had occurred at that point, had been a march in front of the captain's house in which protesters had carried large signs are urging the castration of the lacrosse captains. So this was it was a complete abandonment of any pretense of objectivity have any interest in the truth? Just starting to make sense now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally. 88 faculty members signed on before even any, for any information was no basic right.
And celebrated their protesters saying you know whether right or wrong, we applaud you for just that happen. What do you mean? It's a coup. This was a power. This was a this was a coup. They were trying to but but that's uh, that's, I mean, that's a lot, man. That's unbelievable. Right? And this is why I'm saying one da didn't decide to throw his career way. He was in for a political break. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we understand the good old boy network. Trust me. When you live
in a town like Durham you understand you come and do. You can get counsel counsel. I mean, do you see the kind of power that they have? Um, but they still those 88 still said no. Activist protests. They're saying process and they're out
in front of the frat house castrate him. It's this it's like I said, this is a glimpse into where we're at now that I actually remember I remember the castrate the cast Wraith and things of that somehow that and that's not good but that's that's representative of what
castrating the patriarchy Oh yeah. take take take their manhood away from so and like I said, I'm not gonna play these games like you know that the stigma wasn't there to do was racist because as that's why I played their clips from my pastor. They did look like look at not particularly these two women Kundera black but these two poor women yeah that you know saying like they're they're objects come over here entertainments shake it up, you know do do what we tell you to
do. Kind of thing so there was some kind of authority here that they were trying to flex in privilege to say okay, yeah, we can just call it strippers, your your entertainment you do we tell you to do but just just just to be fair. That is kind of the relationship between escort slash strippers who do house calls and the customers it's nothing you know, this has a whole racial element
to it. That is But I'm very careful. I'm very careful because I coming from Amsterdam and I also understand that industry, and we have to humanize what they're doing as well. It's not it's not it's not always desperation. No, no, some women choose to do it because it's a lifestyle. That's the point like, it makes a choice like I can. It's my body, I can monetize anywhere I want to part. Part of that deal is is the, you know, do do what I say take your
clothes off. It's it's a sick game, and when you look at it kind of in that way, but I'm just saying that that's not necessarily to me, it's not the best example of objectifying a person that that's like a contract to objectify know what I mean by objectify is that this is part of the college experience to come here and do these kinds of things. But yeah, I'm sorry, I forgot these are a bunch of 18 year old turns. You're right. I'm sorry. I forgot about.
It was the point. It was the point it was it had to do anything about sex. I believe it was the point of entertainment. Yeah, entertainment the same way you look into basketball players and run up and down the court, your entertainment. I mean, it's this, it's just it's so difficult for me, because growing up in the Netherlands, you know, at the impressionable age is like going going from 13 prostitution, and these types of things were no longer so what were considered very normal
parts of normal day life. So I have a very different experience. In general like this, it's hard to explain. It's just I have no cultural reference to any of this. But it was a rite of passage to go to the strip club as well for young men in Durham to go over to a club for this course. So I mean, like I said, it's not the point about, um, the sex aspect of it was just that the power that you know, it's the power structure, not the sexual aspect of it.
Yes. So again, uniquely not Dutch. To that doesn't exist, like, like, like Porky's. You know, the movie Porky's that was yeah, that was, that was a shoe that was that was a huge hit in in the Netherlands. And everyone go like, wow, they're crazy in America. That but that's what those young boys were going to college to experience that Porky's experienced. Yes. Yeah. That's the Collegian or animal, Animal House or Yeah, and should I tell you this is one of the main reasons why I
dropped out of college because I got there. I wanted to learn communications. I want to be on the radio I want to do management stuff for the radio, and all those was porkies and I call my mom's I gotta leave here this is not for me. So now you understand my graphic you know what that's why I switched colleges three times for the same reason yeah right i you whenever on campus I use it you live off campus right yeah, it was I went to college I went to class not
college right. Because I felt college to be very I don't know it sounds like corrupt a lot of people easily it this is where the Illuminati and all this begins I think we got to calm down on explaining how it all works MO Not this is what this is the power this is the power structure this is the year it doesn't matter what June grades your main issue your roommate is it's what fret you're accepted to write it this is the real power structure and this is why
people on the outside hate them. This is why the admissions scandal got more attention in the design Maxwell case. Yes attention. Yes, we want to see rich people burn that we don't like if we like you. It's cool. You're saying it's rich people that we don't like we want to see you burn right that's that's the that's that's where Nancy Grace was coming from. Like these reads rich, no preppy boys. Let him burn his equity.
It was like right it's a matter it's the same outcome. But you know, it's equal outcome right you know, nothing innocent No, enough non white people went to jail. We need some white was to go to jail, even though if they're interested or not. Got it. That's the that's the mentality. So I think we stopped at two Let's go again, three. There
were three elements that that prove Mangum lied. The first and by far the most important was the DNA Mangum story there was that she was sexually assaulted for 30 minutes by a group of people who did not use condoms. In such an assault DNA would be left behind and she was immediately taken to the hospital. DNA samples were taken from all 46 White lacrosse players, and there were no matches to na 46. The second were the were the descriptions. Mangum did describe the people
who attacked her. Those descriptions didn't resemble in any way any of the lacrosse players. And the third were the inconsistencies. Within Mangum story, manga looked at a number of different photo ways. There was only one lacrosse player that she positively identified as being at the party in every single photo array that she looked at. The problem is that that was one lacrosse player who could prove that he was never in Durham, but actually wasn't in Durham County, the night of the
party. And that information was shared with prosecutors. So the prosecutors view before they went forward, but they had a wholly unreliable witness whose descriptions didn't match her alleged attackers, and where there was no medical basis to advance to substantiate Her charges. Okay, there you go. So no DNA. And the story didn't make any sense. And it's for me, when the details started coming out. I'm like, hold on. First of all, when I said 20 Guys, put like, that didn't make sense.
And when there's no physical evidence, you know, so when he starts saying start coming out, you know, he just started looking inside out, but on the ground, things were still tense. You know, because it was the matter of, regardless if they're guilty or not, they're gonna get away with the either way. Yeah. So that's, that's what we're attacking. That was the mountain. That was the mindset. And I think that was the mindset of the group of 88. It's like, Let's get them because if it's
not now, they'll do it again. Yeah, they're gonna do something. Which is a very date. Like I said, this is very dangerous, because when we look at cases like, I'm Brian banks, at the same time, around the same time, he was a high school football player that got accused by a classmate or rate. Juanita Gibson, another black woman, he was black. He did like five
years in jail. I mean, his narrative is Batman. I mean, anybody can tell on our guy, I heard of a guy, right, you know, athlete that, you know, got caught in their own dorm and now he's doing you know, five to 10 Archer. So it's like, how did they get away with it? He's you know, saying like, this is this is where the frustration came from, from people that didn't want it to believe their story and was being duped by the media. It's like, you know, our guys never get away with this.
And now they're gonna end do you have to do a plan to the crowd. The same way it was in the Rittenhouse case. Hmm. So, all right, well, let's just continue a little bit. I don't want to I don't want to stop the flow. Okay, number 29. I am not going to allow Durham view in the mind of the world to be a bunch of stocks, not lacrosse. This is this is my iPhone speaking. So I
just wanna This is him speaking in the beginning of the clip. So I just wanna let people know that I am not going to allow dermed view in the mind of the world to be a bunch of lacrosse players from do raping a black bow and all night long as prosecutor seemed to be functioning as if his goal in the case was to violate as many different ethical procedures as he possibly could in one case. So you know, he ordered the police to run this rigged photo lineup that
contained only photos of lacrosse players. So anyone Mangum picked, could be charged. He conspired with the former head of a DNA lab to ensure that the the lab had would not fully report his DNA results results which were exonerating of the players. He lied in open court to a judge for which he eventually was held in criminal contempt and was sent to county jail for for one day, he issued a barrage of inflammatory public statements, which violated ethical rules for prosecutors.
So knife Long's behavior was was extraordinarily bad. Wow, man, how does it's, you know, it's not coordinated but still it's like something that Bond's and connects all these actors. Is what what do you mean? Oh, can you can you can you explain? It's kind of like you know, the the meta version of that is where you know the globalist world order the New World Order.
It's not really coordinated, but it's so mutually beneficial that people kind of, you know, the farmers cuticle industry works nicely along with what the banks need covered up or it's nicely along with politicians who need power. You know what I mean? It's not it's not like really coordinated, but it all just kind of flows together. It's a shared goal, shared goal. Now, there you go. It's a shared
goal. And the shared goal is those the liberal professors, I believe, got with, you know, the DA in some kind of way in a back channel. And like I said, this is speculation here. I just wanna make that clear. But as as the guy said, he was break, he was going through all the rest red lights, to say, you know, um, yeah, we're gonna rig the DNA, we're gonna rig the line up. Yeah, we're gonna do all of this. And this is just for some
clarity. People were saying this was due to him having a hotly contested primary that was coming up in a couple of months. And he was playing to the black crowd to say, Oh, we're gonna get some do white boys. I'm saying vote for me. Hey, was, was Soros funding this Nifong? At the time? No, I don't think he has had somewhere and do I'm sure. Um, of it, because with the grants and that kind of thing, I mean, I'm sure he probably has, he has I'm not him himself. But that
ilk that that collective of these won't professors. And like I said, this was the first glimpse this glimpse of it, for them to go against their university that cuts their checks, to say, No, we're gonna take out full page ads and take down these guys, right? And the universe, like What the hell's going on, don't even realize like, You got to open a hole can erase worms over here. And we got all this free labor pushes out number one source of entertainment for the campus.
You can't do that. Right? And it's even a bigger picture for the NCAA. I guess. You We can't forget that. I'm an amateur athletics is just like almost slavery. You heard Jalen Rose say once he's done, he goes back home. Exactly. Back to the host. Oh, you make millions and millions and billions of dollars off for me. And I can't make any recovery, your rules, whatever came of that from a couple about a year or so ago, maybe a little bit longer. to uh, to allow college athletes to be paid?
Yeah, they can they can be paid now. Now, it's, it's still some great. I mean, it was not like they weren't getting, you know, cars and apartments and stuff like that. But yeah, yeah. But if they got caught, the player would get in trouble. Right? What? Isn't that funny, the coach can just quit and go to another job and get another job. And in the penalties will stay with the school and the player will get penalized, but not the coach. It was a perfect
system. And that this is a system that people were trying to highlight, which is a real I mean, it's it's a real racket there. But at the same time they're doing it for dubious reasons, because they know if I take down sports that takes down a lot, a lot. masculinity. They mean the same thing with the trans trans athletes and not the point of view trying to celebrate trans people in their athletics. He just like will destroy the train.
We're trying to ruin sports across the board. Because sports is not equitable. Right? It's all about you know, it's a meritocracy. Well, someone wins, someone wins in sports, that's not cool. And at the same time, this is when you start seeing sports, not give trophies. This was the no trophy area, or everybody gets a trophy, right. So let's go ahead and get to the last clip number 30. It was I think, unprecedented the sort of behavior that we saw
from the Duke faculty. And we, you know, I can't think of another instance, in modern higher education, in which faculty members essentially chose to exploit their students distress, to advance the campus pedagogical agenda, to push their own ideological vision, and to abandon any pretense of supporting fairness, due process, the dispassionate evaluation of evidence, so there were multiple villains in this case, the worst of them was knife wrong in terms of the
degree of the misconduct. But if we want to look at unprecedented conduct, I think the focus would be on on the Duke faculty. The Times coverage which was both relentless and one sided there were more than 100 articles or opinion columns in the Times about the lacrosse case, set the stage for the national media that look, these guys must be guilty because it's the New York Times which is saying it. And half the times is saying it must be true.
I don't think they want to lie detector test because they're afraid they won't pass a lie detector test them I may be the last person willing to take the heat because the victim is certainly taking a beating as Mike and I find it's really unconscionably unfair.
This was a case that served different agendas of different groups for knife on he wanted guilt because it would help his cause in the primary for the Duke faculty members, portraying their own students as racist, advanced and on campus agenda of making more hires dealing with topics of race, class and gender, and requiring more courses in race, class and
gender. And for the New York Times, this was a case that fit very much the basic assumptions of a typical Times journalist that white male athletes were out of control of both sexual and racial connotations. And that advancing this would sort of advance a broader ideological agenda of the times. And so this was it was almost a perfect storm of a case in which a variety of different groups could exploit the case for their own purposes.
It's a really, really good historical compendium of our how we got to where we are today, and I'm sure there's other stops along the way, but man is this is this a big part of and this is 2006. So long ago, this goes to show you that the apparatus was ready. Oh, no, this and this is long game, man. This is real long game.
Yeah. And that's the whole point of it is they lay and wait for the perfect opportunity to rear their heads up for their personal game, and that that spaciousness, just remember this the reason why I want to keep bringing this up at the expense of a men and mentally ill black woman. Yeah. Like they don't care who they use. It doesn't it doesn't care, you know, um, they just threw out there. They knew her story didn't hold water. They didn't seem to give her help. They said, Okay, we can
use her for our own gain. And this goes to show you what the door this is the clear cut case of hold the door. Yeah, hold the door and let us come right on. And they were going to push all their feminist and different agendas on the back of this black woman, which that goes to show you and the weird thing is the weird paradigm is the liberal students used her as the object. Oh, yeah, of course. Of course. That's that's that is the crazy part of all and what's going on now too.
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backlash. And there was definitely a backlash. As I said before CBS won a Peabody for 60 minutes coverage of the Duke lacrosse case and they were all on a story debunking to protect the you know, the Duke University and the prestige that comes along with it. So this example that let's get into number 32. More than six months ago, Duke University in the city of Durham, North Carolina were rocked by charges that Duke
lacrosse players raped an exotic dancer at a team party. 60 minutes correspondent Ed Bradley got exclusive interviews with the three players charged in a case, including former co Captain Dave Evans, do you ever think that if this does go to trial, that if you're convicted, you could face a lot of time in prison? Do you ever think about that? Would you? Sure? 30 years, I could go to jail for something that never happened. based on a lie.
And Bradley's here with us this morning. Good morning. And good morning. He spoke to all three of these young men. Are they scared? They've all said they're innocent. I think that they do have some fear. As Dave says he's looking at 30 years in prison for something he says he didn't do. Based on the evidence they feel they shouldn't be in this position. So they feel confident that they're innocent.
You've also spoken with the other dancer who was there that night along with the accuser, a young lady named Kim Roberts. Let's take a look at that. In the police statement. She describes the rape in this way. Three guys grabbed Nikki at you, Brett Adam and Matt grabbed me. They separated us at the master bedroom door while we tried to hold on to each other. But Adam and Matt took me in to the bathroom. What are you holding on to each other? Were you
pulled apart? Is that true? No. Did she give you any reason to believe that she had been assaulted in any way? No, none whatsoever so here so this mess where I was making the point about a cow Rittenhouse. If he went to Duke, he got the same kind of treatment. Yeah, is different levels of whiteness. Don't have to explain that to you. But yeah, no, I hear you. Did you see Kyle going to attend classes at Arizona State? No. But I seen him bouncing around all the podcast interview. Oh, no.
They had huge protests. He's not welcome at the school. He's done. Yeah, somebody has taken me in don't worry about some universal love to have their name associated with him. But that's the thing that this is what happens when you come up against the power structure. A, this is the power structure. And I want in the reason why I'm pointing this out is this is matched by family. Right? And the power comes from family. When you don't have any family people can treat you any kind of way. And
it kind of felt that way about Kyle right. Is that Oh, who is he? He's not linked to anybody right? You know, we could drag this kid through the mud. Now, if it had been like I said what like he became from this kind of a background that the Duke players came from the establishment media would have had more respect for him. And and no carried a different way. But he was looked at as an object the same way the stripper was the same way the maybes are and this is The two level
society that we live in. Now a lot of people are looked at as objects. And when people that don't exist in that circle that, you know, there are somebody and I hate that word or somebody, but when they get a taste of it, they come out with their guns a blazing the push back against it, um, and we're gonna see that with Finnerty family, a, just listen to how proud she is of her son.
Hi, I'm Katie Couric Welcome to Ida I Wednesday marked the end of a long nightmare for the families of the three former Duke lacrosse players falsely accused of rape. Harry Smith spoke with the parents of Colin Finnerty about their confidence and their son's innocence, and the impact of the ordeal on their family. And those three boys took the microphone at that press conference, and express themselves so eloquently in your son. At the press conference talking about I can't think of
anything in my life that could have brought me closer. These kinds of things, tear people apart, he says he brought my family closer together. He's right, though. I mean, we had a wonderful family before, but I can't say this year has brought us closer together to see the siblings stand by him the way they did. And his older brothers were there for him every weekend. His younger
sisters were just an incredible amount of support. And as a parent as parents to see that that's like all your dreams come true. I mean, that's what family is about. And I'm so proud of how they got through this year. That's why they hate it hate families, cuz you can't counsel somebody with a family. Gosh, man, who are they Mo is the you will say the academic elite that leans more to the
communist side. You know, I was thinking I was thinking about this, talking about power and structure, you know, so right now they're, you know, Congress is arguing about what more free shit to give away more money. Which is, there's multiple reasons for it. But back on the table is the idea of forgiving student debt, or up to
$50,000 of student debt. And what's interesting is, in 2006, right around this time, is when student loans started to skyrocket backed by the federal government that, of course, is biolegend, because of legislation, which basically is, hey, you know, don't worry about it. We got you covered, y'all can borrow from us. And we guarantee that that'll get, you know, to the universities, and we'll guarantee that we get it
back. Because, you know, we're the government and we got the army and everything and you know, you can't go bankrupt, you can't get rid of that of that debt. And that debt now is $1.73 trillion. And that's just the student loans. So that money has gone into the education system since 2006. One, almost two,
probably, you know, over 2 trillion trillion dollars. Holy crap balls, which makes Duke and schools like do even more incredibly powerful, well, powerful, rich, rich is even more important, because now you can get a college degree from anywhere. The Duke brand holds or the Yale brand or the Harvard brand. They their real degrees. And I made that statement before of my pastor being from Duke. It wasn't this, like fly by night school that you can get a PhD. Right? So these are it only
increases their power. Because this is why the missions is so hard now to the getting to these schools because you can go get a college degree from anywhere and really, it really diluted colleges are the are the actual stuff you learn? Well, not the prestige of what No, no, I'm just saying that. I was looked at a study recently that show that people who do online courses in colleges test better and do better on test scores than people who attend in person on campus college.
That's why I went to class and I know I'm just saying that's, that's what's interesting about it. But when you have more degrees, it dilutes the meaning of go short, of course. So of course now people are starting to check your brain like what kind of what kind of degrees it means something Yeah, No, and this is why they have to protect schools like this. And this is why you've seen such a you know, vehement pushback. Yeah, um, you know, over these lacrosse
players, it's a lot at risk. This is why the NCAA is such a powerful Institute because they're the gatekeepers for the entertainment of universities. I mean, who wants to go to Alabama? If you couldn't see Bama play football? Or do play basketball, or Michigan or Ohio State? Are these big schools? These are the drawed. This is the entertainment draw. And again, it's so interesting, because here is this difference between us and cultural background? Where I don't have
any of that that was not marketed to me. I was unaware of it. I don't know about the entertainment value. This is why I'm I was not in the American media. You Tito mean you teach right there, right? Yeah, I don't I don't care. I'm just saying but you know, how you would you? I will guess that you're aware. How big of a deal and economic generator it is for those football games on Saturday? Yes. So you're making my point while missing it at the same
time. My point is, it is uniquely American, how we how the American youth and growing up experience is all geared around this. That is unique to America, particularly with high school sports flowing into college sports. The pep rallies to cheerleaders. That's not Do you see cheerleaders during World Soccer? No, no. Do you see band? Do you see a halftime with bands and Jay Z performing? No. But this is the vetting system? No, but but I'm just what I'm pointing out Mo is that this is a unique
American thing. Right? This is It's fascinating to learn so much about it during this during this show. Because you without you knowing you're presuming things that I have absolutely no knowledge of. Yeah, I'm aware of that. And that's why I'm taking I'm taking it, you know, trying to highlight the point that it's not about the sports, I understand. But it's it's the it's the whole package. It's the marketing, it's this. It's the loans, it's everything.
And it's the access. Yes, of course, it has access into the networks, of course, because if you never make it on Duke campus, you're going to be capped. That's why why Chris Cuomo had a job, you know, it's like this, it's like, everybody has to be connected somehow. Right? Because then then because the flip side of it is like, how do I work so hard for my son to have these privileges? What do you mean, but at the same time, they did not have privileges is
weird, right? You have a thing called Legacy students. Yeah. Where are we like, if your parents went to that school, you kind of like and as long as I'm saying reasonable grades, but then I say, well, there's no privilege. What do you mean there's no, you have actual thing called Legacy students. You know, it's not as in it matters, I mean, these sporting events and it's not so it's not only white institutions, but this is the this is the know this the infrastructure. So I
guess we can move on. This is the second family to see. See, Siegelman secret lemons. And this is part one. Your son's mug shot was out there, he was shown walking with handcuffs. How do you get past that? I will never get past that. I won't. It'll it will be forever etched in my mind. And but the one thing that helps me deal with it is that when he stepped out of that police car, he stood up tall. He put his shoulders back, and I knew he was going to
be okay that day. I was home watching it on TV, because I had to stay home with my other boys. And my husband was with the and Reid had begged me Please mom, they've already told us they're going to handcuff us so please, I don't want you to watch and I found my younger son crying in front of the TV watching it and I was horrified. But when I saw Reid step out, and he just stood so tall and proud and I I knew he was going to be fine. Would you ring your bell on
the fact that he put his shoulders back chest out? And when I look I'm gonna take this cake you're saying I'm gonna face this like a man and that's what's missing. Ah Oftentimes when we're the victims and I say we the black quote unquote community or victims of crimes, we already apologize and and want to have peace. You know, that's that corrupt thing like, oh, we just want to get along with everybody. I know you killed my child, but I just want to get along. Like these kids.
They were like, geez, they stuck their chest out was like, Nope, we're going down like that. But they're backed by family. Right? See, that's the power. And that's what drives the left hand side. The, the liberal was crazy. It's just like the smugness about it. But when you got family backing you up? You know, you feel 10 feet tall. Oh, that's true. That's absolutely true. Yeah, and you hear it, she said, I was, I was worried about my
son's house on standing like a man. And I knew he was gonna be alright, so that's that that's the patriarchy. That's what that's the desktop bogged down. imagery of the baker patriarchy is like, you can't crack me. You know, and this is very personal to me, because you can't break me. You feel upset? Like, what are you going to do? To me? They're like this whole job situation. Okay, take your job. What are you gonna do? Ego crack
me? Because I was raised by me and like we You see, turn on my father, you're saying a whole host of like, I don't like talking about this stuff too much. But pastors in and out my house all the time eaten dinner? Mm hmm. Like, I mean, I was privy to, you know, a very influential social circle. Just to see it work. And it shows Wow. And it shows. That's why when I walk into a room is confidence. Um, and it can be off putting the people because they want you to be in
sir. Oh, you're awful confident for a black guy. You know, they don't say that. But it's basically all your different people, but people didn't know, other people, black people out there know, when you hear you're different. You know what that means? Like, you don't fit the calculation I have for you. And it's not negative. It's just that you don't meet the expectations. And that's goes back to what Jalen Rose felt about Grant Hill. You know, he, I don't need to show off my
skill speaks for itself. These are the kinds of things that you know, are embedded by the patriarch by a patriarchal, not the patriarchy, but by a patriarchal society that teaches you this and not, nothing can break. Nothing can break you in mass. And I found that clip to be amazing that to say when I saw my son, even though he was in handcuffs, you stand tall. And we're the victims of things and we always apologize and say, Oh, we just want to get along. We forgive we forget, no, stop
forgiving and forgetting. get blurred. And what I mean by blue is I want you to listen to what they said they want it I this whole situation for how their sons were created was treated. today's press conference by the Attorney General was a dramatic, really a stunning repudiation of Michael knife on the prosecutor. If you had a chance to say something to Mr. Knife on today, what would it be? What he did, and the fraud, which he perpetuated for nearly
a year? Was it all that important to be the district attorney of Durham, North Carolina, to throw three kids to the wolves, ruin their lives, ruin their family's lives all for what? For what? I'll never understand. never understand what you'd like him to say to you. He's sorry. Not that that will ever help how I feel. I would like to know that this can never happen again to anyone. It's a horrifying thing. When you see your child when you know that
your son can be put in jail for something he didn't do. And it is out of your control. And you can't protect him from someone that you know is lying and fabricating stories about him and and i i want this man to say that he will never ever allow something like this to happen again. And I mean, I would like him to say I resign is what I'd like him to say. Would you like him to be disbarred? Yes. Which charges file? Yes, yes. Yeah, it's different. Yeah. Oh, Are the cops shoes? We heard the
family that were victims is I'm sorry. We just want to forgive. I forgive them today. They shot my son. I forgave him. No, no, no, no, no, it's a lot different when you mess with real citizens This is how citizens carry it out. No, I want his job. I want them disbarred. I want him in jail. I want him to apologize. They had a list of demands. They weren't just happy for their son to be free. We got to stop moving and when I say we, I mean talking about everybody now this this is how we get in the
position that we're in now. Where people tell us what to do. No, we got to start saying what we want upfront everybody and that's especially men right because you heard you heard what she said and you know and guess what she got what she wanted yep God's gonna say that's this type of thinking my experience is get you what you want. You know if the grass grows where you water it if you focus on something that you know, way where you focus is what's going to happen. It's just always that way.
The NS what people had to start realizing not you cow town, and bending down I mean, that gets you more of that. Get you more boot. That's what gets you more boot. Beautiful. Prosecutor in the failed Duke lacrosse rape case has been disbarred over his handling of the matter. Mike knife honks at stoically as a three member panel from the North Carolina State Bar lectured him on what they called his selfish prosecution of three lacrosse players who were falsely accused
of raping a stripper. We can draw no other conclusion but that those initial statements that he made to further his political ambitions at the time when the case broken iPhone was in a tight race for reelection. He won that contest but the rape case was falling apart. He later let the state attorney general handle the matter and he dismissed all charges saying the players were innocent. The players are all in the courtroom for the hearing
and had a subdued celebration at the end. More years representing the players a plot of the decision district and iPhones law license and say anyone paying attention to the case new knife on never had a chance to convicting the players. This story was simply a hoax. Friday knife on told the panel he was planning on resigning his position and on Saturday, his lawyer said nightlong himself thought he should be disbarred and added he won't appeal the
ruling. However the lawyers representing the players say they see little honor and those moves. My initial feeling was that I've been at executions. And it was kind of like the day before you're executed if you cut up the sheet and hang yourself so you're in control of your own destiny. Lawyers for the players say they are considering seeking criminal contempt charges against an iPhone and even suggested asking for a federal civil rights investigation into his actions.
Gosh, man, I mean, you've got a guy running for reelection. I've been I've been searching for some kind of Soros connection it just reeks of Soros and an A da electro electoral campaign. I mean, it's crazy. The parallel right and he you heard what they said even though he resigned No, we want we want you to do we want your job. We want silver and it was just all gas no brakes. It well it wasn't enough and they even dragged him out and made him apologize to the
boys as well. Mm hmm. Yeah, he had to know a man now No, get me wrong. He only did like a day in jail. All the stuff he did like literally one day it literally was one day I think. How does that work? How did you How do you rig a case up against I just something special about this case? To the fact that you only do a day in jail. I'm nightfall has some friends hired to pull that one off to me because even he they couldn't get him thrown in jail. Um, but you see what they did they made
or they drag them out. I made him apologize. You want to listen to that apology right quick? Yeah. Do you have it? Oh, yeah, here. Yeah, you got it. For the last 16 months proven to be a difficult and painful journey for my family and for myself. I know this has also been a difficult and painful journey for Reid Seligman, called infinity and David Evans, for their families, for Durham
for the state of North Carolina. We all need to heal. I believe, however, that this healing process cannot truly began until all proceedings involving this matter. are concluded and everyone is able to go forward. I have resigned my position as drums district attorney as a part of this process. I have read the report released by the attorney general, including his recitation of evidence that I did not have evidence he
obtained from his own investigation. I agree with the attorney general statement that there is no credible evidence that Mr. Seligman, Mr. Finnerty or Mr. Evans, committed in either crimes for which they were indicted, or any other crimes against Miss Michael, during the party that occurred on March 13 and 14th 2006, at 610, North Buchanan Boulevard interim. Mr. Solomon, Mr. Finnerty and Mr. Evans, were entitled to the presumption of innocence when they were under
indictment. Surely they are entitled to more than that now, as they go forward with the rest of their lives. And that is what the attorney general tried to give them in his declaration that they are innocent. I have admitted on more than one occasion that I have made mistakes in the prosecution of these cases. For that I sincerely apologize to Mr. Seligman. Mr. Finnerty Mr. Evans, and to their families. It is my hope that all of us can learn from the mistakes for this
case, that all of us can begin to move forward. It is my hope that we can start this process today. Thank you. Yeah, yes, we want to move forward. Keith the rain right. Here's the rain. It was D so he conspired with the with the DNA lab technician Yes. And not disclose all of the information and set up rigged up a a we call it the lineups Oh yeah. Do a day in jail. So this is what we start talking about white
privilege. Yeah, this is what we're talking about. Now. How is it that you can do all of that you want to spend a day in jail? That That doesn't make any sense to me. Oh, no, but this Yeah, I mean, we know the system is not right.
If it wasn't right i mean like i said every this goes to show you that even steel they wouldn't do him all the way dirty like they could they made they wet they made him go out there and apologize to the to the young man that was involved right we don't see that you're saying in most cases when someone's wrong I still like extend apology yet to cow Good luck with that. Know what see that goes to show you is different levels. Yeah, it's different level you know, when you mess with Smite the
wrong kids. You have this? You know, yeah, you gotta go out there. You gotta you gotta kneel and apologize and do all kinds of stuff. Well, yeah, rightly so. So these last three clips, you're saying we play them and we'll but this wraps up what happened to the accuser, and this is this is a true tragedy. Um, she ended up writing a book, and she's still in her mind thinks that she's a victim. who accused three Duplo cross players of rape is still
insisting she was attacked. She makes the claim in a new memoir, Crystal Magnum appeared publicly Thursday for the first time since making the allegations more than two years ago. No one deserves to be sexually assaulted, regardless of their profession, or regardless of what they have done. I'm a real person. I have feelings. I'm not just an exotic dancer. I'm not just someone who tried to frame someone who was innocent of
sexual assault. My only intentions were for justice. And I want to justice for myself. She says in her book that she's not looking forward to opening old wounds, but that she had to defend herself. Prosecutors determined that her accusations against the three players were false. And her renewed allegations are triggering a threat of a lawsuit from the family of one of the exonerated
players. The book is available online. Magnum wouldn't answer questions about details of the case at the news conference, John Belmont, the Associated Press went when did this book come out? Just came out, I think and oh, no, I don't want to say okay, it was yours. It was years after the case. So I think some book company probably saw Oh, this would be a seller, for people that still want to believe that something nefarious went on that
night. So they I don't think they looked at her best interest in heart or had our best interests at heart. Well, here's, here's a couple $1,000 advance and you'll never hear from us again. That's how that's how those book deals work. Yep. And then we have more in the book deal if you want to listen to During the last time the public saw crystal Mangum, she quietly fingered three Duke lacrosse players in this video tape photo
lineup. Two years later, she walked back into the spotlight to promote her new book. The Duke lacrosse case will never define who I am. I'm a proud mother of three wonderful children. I graduated from college with honors. The last dance for grace is a story about my life. The last dance for grace according to Mangum is her story a woman with a troubled past whom by her own account, was raped three times twice as a teenager and then again as an exotic dancer in March 2006.
Yes, I am. I am still claiming that sexual assault happened but mainly I'm stopped short of commenting on former da Mike my farm the prosecutor accused of withholding DNA evidence in the case that was later dismissed by the state attorney general, do you believe that we sell in color generally and David Evans were innocent? I have no comments about the details of the case. However, I do talk about a little bit about it in the last sense for grace. But I have no comment.
And Mangum caution, according to her team of advisers is partly because of the threat of potential lawsuits. Her side of the story they say has been kept from the public. They claim at least two networks that failed to air interviews with Mangum. This photo of CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien and Mangum was provided to Eyewitness News. Oh, man, everybody uses a woman up. Well, did you know how it ends with her? Do you want to share it with people? Number 40? No,
okay, cuz I was just looking at the page. I'm like, Oh, my goodness. Well, the woman who was at the center of the false rape allegations that were brought against three Duke University athletes may now be facing a murder charge. Earlier this month, the police arrested crystal Magnum for stabbing her boyfriend in the kitchen with a knife. Now we've learned that that victim has died. In that case, prosecutors say that they
will likely charge Magnum with murder. Back in 2006. As you may remember, this story went on for months and months, she accused three Duke lacrosse players of raping her and an Off Campus Party. Those charges were later shown to be false. And the charges against those three men were dropped. And here's the kicker. She argued in that particular charge second degree murder after she stabbed her boyfriend. And he died. She argued she acted in self defense. Fearing that he
would kill her. She got sentenced 14 to 18 years. true tragedy. Yeah. And you think, you know, did she really have the Did she really have the defense that money could have bought her for a self defense defense? Right? I know. It's exactly the point. I got it. That's why I thought it was a cool kicker. And this goes to show you what the black doctor were saying earlier about mental health. Nobody sought to get this woman that help that she needed. And she ended up just being a harm
to someone else and taking someone else's life. They just saw her as an object to for political gain. I put up football. Um, and they've just dumped it to the side. And in, she end up taking another person's life. So how do you wrap this up Mo? What's our takeaway? What are we going to do? I don't know if I can sleep right now. You know, what we have to do is we had to pay attention to these
previous cases like this. Because if we looked at this a month ago, we probably could have saw what was going to happen in other cases. And there's another case out there lingering about a race hoax that we need to pay attention to because there's VAs involved, mostly most most years smaller. Yes. This Yeah. Oh, it's good. It's so deep. If anything really comes to the surface, it's gonna be dynamite. But I'm just waiting. Just waiting. We will talk about that case.
And I got to give people a quick history that we talked about Moe facts. This was more of a historical episode about most tracks. If there was no Jesse Smollett, there might not be a more fact. Ooh. Now, I'll tell people later how that connects. When I do the Jesse Smollett case, but I'll leave it as a cliffhanger for people. But yes,
well Moe, happy birthday man. I'm glad I'm glad you did this show it was personal it sounded personal educated me much more than you probably could have expected just a lot of things as I already explained and is a very good background or and is now has me laser focused on the entire educational system being kind of ground zero of all of this stuff. That's the takeaway right there. That's Ground Zero, man ground zero.
We thought it was the press. But we see now from this case, the press takes their signals from academia and the alumni and it's an it's a, it's there. Often they are the alumnus. Yes. Unbelievable. All right. I'm energized now. There we go. We have we have someone that we have some people to keep an eye on. But as I always say, pay attention to everything and the true reveal itself.
And make sure that you check out the last tapes which will be next Wednesday and we back the Wednesday after that with another episode of MO facts with Adam curry. Moe Have yourself a great week and happy birthday again brother. Thank you, Adam. Have a good one. And if you'd like to support the show, Mo facts.com. Go directly to our donation page at mo funmi.com moe FUND me.com. And thank you so much for supporting the show. Talk to you soon everybody. Bye bye. You just