69: Infektion

We have only 35 chambers. There is no 36. I know that. But I want to create a new chamber. And what would that be? More facts with Adam curry for October 27 2021. This is episode number 69. I'm Adam curry coming to you from the heart of Texas Hill Country and it's time once again to get ready to spin the Wheel of topics with here from Northern Virginia. Please everybody say hello to my friend on the other end Mr. Moe facts. I know Adam, I am good mo Good to hear from you. I'm a dog owner. I saw

and thank you for posting that picture of Rocco. Holy crap. What a beautiful dog. I appreciate that Rocco is a superstar. Oh my goodness. Yes. He goes like everybody. Yeah, everybody is what we, when we were when we were young. We used to call that a chick magnet. Yes. Well, I mean, like he's, he's a he's a people magnet. Um, everywhere we go is like people have Rocco doing like, Oh, I'm doing fine. Thanks. Bye. Asking about my dog. Yeah, exactly. Yes. Right. This were the first thing your wife

does when she comes home and says hi to the dog. You're second now. It's it's very, very interesting how that works. All right. Should we give it a whirl? Please. All right, everybody time to spin it up here is that we'll have topics where it stops. Nobody knows the only person who actually knows his MO because he put another banger together for us the topic of episode number 69 of Mo facts with Adam curry is operation infection. Oh, are we going to the third rail Mr. Moe?

We are not going to talk about COVID. Okay, it's not a COVID show. Okay, attention. This is not a COVID show. I'm making it very clear. This is not a COVID show we got what this is, is We've danced around the 800 pound gorilla in the room. We've talked about Tuskegee, not in detail. But we

talked about it. We've talked about even Henrietta Lacks, mainly they were saying we went there on the potluck with the 800 pound gorilla in the room of Why think so called black people, the community quote unquote, a community in big quotes is AIDS. Why? Why the community is hesitant you mean? Yes. Wow, this is something white America has not heard. AIDS, that way aid was handled the way people perceive aids to be. And it's amazing. I haven't heard anybody talk about this.

Well, except for no agenda. Because I have definitely made the comparison because it's the same damn people. Well, it's not really just the were the people involved, we're gonna definitely look at that. But just the psychological baggage that came along with AIDS, and it still exists. I'm with so called black people or quote unquote, black people. Yes. It's, it's kind of like it's, it's for everybody else

has gone away. But it still lingers with us. Because the amount of propaganda that went behind it, the amount of fear that came with it. Um, but I've haven't heard, I just know, we've talked about it once again, is Henrietta Lacks, you know, the first. The first reflexive one we always talked about, and you asked me about it was Teskey. You bring up siskey? Yeah, that's just a reflex. Yeah. Which is, which is exactly what you said. And I

totally accepted that. But then what I what I remember distinctly is you saying certainly for black men, the only thing the doctor gives me is the knife or the pill. Correct. I'm just saying and when a talking point standpoint of what some might back to the cornice Why don't you want to take it a nice reflex party? Get him up off he was to ski it just

rolls off the tongue. And it kind of works. And of course, we understand as you as you illustrate it and I relate to you was, of course I mean, that's the only thing they do have to offer is a pill or a knife. Um, so who wants bad news? I was shocked to find out that you didn't go to the doctor. Oh, no, that was oh, no, no, no, I've I've heard that the last time I asked. Well, no, that's not true. I had some weird thing which turned out to be Believe it or not jacket. I'll just say it I've

never had in my life. I'm not a jock. That actually you know, it's like a shit what's going on? Went to the emergency clinic. That was the first time in at least. I'm gonna say 30 The five years that I've been to an actual doctor, I go once a month, I go to the functional medicine voodoo guy. And and we do, you know, we look at it as a different way of looking at it more medicine man. And it works for me and I feel great. So and a little bit of acupuncture.

And I'm not saying people don't go to the doctor. But of course we go to like soon Of course, you have to make the appointment to get the, the yearly and that kind of thing. But if you feel a little painting arm, you know, saying like joints a little loose. I'll work it out, you know, that kind of thing, right? If you're seriously going Oh, please, please go. That's not

what we're saying here, Tom. But I want to address this because hopefully at the end of the show, I can illustrate the anxiety from that standpoint, which I've haven't heard anybody talk about. And when I said that was I have you heard anybody say AIDS. AIDS is the way that AIDS was handled the way the AIDS was rolled out. Well, I think you may be factually correct. We'll leave it at that. Yes. All right.

So um, I guess what we need to do is get into the back, and we're going to start with a look back 40 years always. At first, the deadly intruder did not have a name, a lifestyle of some male homosexuals has triggered an epidemic of a rare form of cancer. But it quickly developed a reputation and the deaths kept coming and coming. The fear was palpable. I was terrified of passing on HIV to someone else. But in the years that followed, pretty miraculous for me. So was the break.

Because of them, I can live a healthy and happy life. We sat down with four gay men from four different generations all living with HIV. The oldest is Jessie myelin, who's still haunted by the beginning of the epidemic. People who because they had been diagnosed suddenly disappear. And we all knew what that silence met. Jessie was diagnosed in the 80s. After losing his partner, George

and so many others. It was hard to bridge the barrier. At the time, many leaders were accused of ignoring the crisis because it was deemed a gay disease. Present President Reagan didn't give his first major speech on AIDS until 1987. Six years after the first diagnosed case, we must have a definition of aid for Dr. Anthony Fauci. The epidemic was a turning. In 1984, he became the nation's top infectious disease expert, the same job he holds today.

It might be it might be I did a lot of research on AIDS. A lot of a lot of friends of mine died, which is why I was very interested in in the research. Well, let me ask you this just so it might be the way I view things. Because you had a lot of friends. As Is it as scary now, as it was then when it first came about? Oh, public? No. I mean, Eddie Murphy sums it up perfectly. That's how we thought you put your dick in explodes. That that's yeah. Oh,

no, no, no, no, of course not. Well, so let me just say this a couple of things about AIDS because there's a distinction between aids which is auto immune deficiency syndrome, which is means that your, your immune system is in a weakened state and it can turn into a syndrome that's not the disease, you don't catch AIDS. What was positive was that the human the HIV, this virus got in and that's what was transmitted and

that gave you aids. What I what I personally believe just to set a straight up front, is that yes, HIV, they finally prove something that said, Okay, this is HIV. It took them a while to be able to prove that very interesting. It's kind of the same way with Coronavirus. But in my mind, it was the treatment namely rejected cancer drug AZT, that's what was killing people, people who went to different places, and there's many YouTube document or documentaries on YouTube, you can see

particularly the clinic in in I think was Mexico. They had different treatment and nobody died. And so to me, it was the treatment was worse than cure. Well, I'll say this, and maybe this is cultural. But I think in certain southern cities like Atlanta, I think, some places in Mississippi, Alabama, one out of every two gay men We'll catch HIV, though that was that was the that was the marketing at the time.

No, now that's right now back now, yes, yes, but I don't see how that message is getting through because now they've come up with this product, which is prep PR EP, right? And, and this is as some magical pill that you take. And then you just even if you have HIV, you're not going to die as it's sold. But like I said, this is where the psychological aspect comes in. That I mean, me coming of. I'm a baby, I was born in 1980. So you gotta think, um, you get sexually

active in your teenage years. This is at like, the height of the age scare. Oh, no, you guys, you guys got a rough deal, man. I mean, we'd already had some notches on our belt. By the time this thing rolled around. Like, whoa. And it's generational, right? Because like, my dad was the only thing we had to worry about you go get a shot. And that was the kind of laissez faire attitude about it? Well, now, every time you get to have a sexual interaction, it could be life or death.

Well, that's what they say. I mean, again, I have my different opinion. But that's the marketing. Yeah, I was saying the psychological, the psychological baggage. I mean, I remember I remember I think Fauci even saying, well, we're not sure you might be able to get it just from touching someone or maybe from a doorknob. I mean, I heard it all from it out of his mouth. Well, my grandma was like, boy, take a pin out your mouth, you

get AIDS in the mouth. Yeah, it was. Yeah. That was the kind of psychology and what I'm saying is that baggage, the way it was rolled out, the way it was presented, and they kind of like, Oh, everybody equally get it from any kind of sexual ad. I'm saying, I'm not saying this is scientific. What I'm saying is this was the market gene. That was the market. Yeah, this

is the marketing that received. And now, hopefully, as we go through these clips, you can understand the reluctancy in medicine and medicine, um, when you have this kind of thing that just looms, I mean, every time you grab a second action, it could be life or death. I mean, that's the kind of that's that was the intent. It was there to scare. Absolutely. Yeah. So what I want to do now like say we had to get into the, the guy, I'm Fauci, and some background on him we clip three.

At the October 13 1988, presidential debate, Michael Dukakis and George HW Bush were asked Who are the heroes who are there in American life today, who are the ones that you would point out to young Americans as figures who should inspire this country?

I'm Escalante to be a Daris. Those people that took us back into space again, in sports heroes, Vice President Bush eventually responded with I think Dr. Fauci probably never heard of you and heard of is a very fine research top doctor at National Institutes of Health, working hard doing something about research on this disease of AIDS.

Today, Dr. Anthony s. Fauci is best known because of his position in the Coronavirus Task Force, and for his many media appearances in the US, he's one of the most recognizable faces in the current crisis. How did this doctor go from his research lab in Bethesda, Maryland to becoming one of the most visible medical experts on the pandemic today? Yes, indeed. I wonder how that happened. So that's your inbox. And they explain explains how Fauci came

to be. But what I find interesting is, through all of this, I didn't know who Dr. Fauci was until COVID. happen. Yeah, you would think he would be arm arm with the so called community with you have a still looming crisis? Like I say, I mean, when you look at the numbers, I mean, me being a super straight, black man, I'm kind of down on the numbers, but for homosexual men and women, black women, this thing they lead and all they're saying and both sides in their respective

categories, by me by a significant amount. You would think he will have a presence or we will know you know who he is. Well, again, for me, it was I saw him and Burks. Dr. Burks. Both of them were very I mean, I saw Fauci at parties in Hollywood. So you were young. And it was, I think there was, you know, 2020 years in between but for the people who also remember the scathing Village Voice, front page article at the time in New York is calling Fauci out for murdering people.

I mean, In what moment we forget, we forget we get distracted. There's other crap going on in our brains and there's no one right recalling this absolutely right, it behooves none of those guys to say, oh, remember when we did the ACE thing so well, but the thing is, it's not finished? No, no, of course not. Well, of course not certain people that he is, I mean, if you have the money, their health issues, the bottles, the the PIP probe he was on premise give me Prem joke that you were talking

about. It's not a concern of yours within this is probably gonna be something for the last tapes, is getting into the drill commercials and how they're over represented by black women and homosexual man. Yeah, when they sell these drugs? Uh huh. That's a problem in itself. I'll agree with that. Because we've noticed that too, cuz I see that I always see the prep commercial. And it communicates like no more eight. Exactly. Not true

indicates. Yeah. But that's not true. And when it it's, it's like a paradox, because one, you are representing gay men and black women in these commercials outside the distribution, they're in the normal population. But then you say, oh, there's no more aids. It's like, well, hold on. If there's no more he's been wild. They've been represented that way. Have good question. You can't have a mess. If for people that are paying attention, and like I said, this thing has been going for 40

years now. Yep. no cure. I mean, not even. Not even, you know, the interest is not even there anymore. I mean, even Matt Johnson, he's post aids. Yeah, it also I have a hard time. What's difficult is I just don't believe aids, if you catch catch AIDS, that you're gonna die. I want to say what I'm saying, as I'm rolling HIV. Right. But raising the what I'm saying is, I was told, I think that also what you make a really good point. So why why is that representation there? If it's pretty much

solved? I mean, that. I got it, I got it. Because that's, that is the general consensus, the way I see it as Oh, you know, this prep. And so it's pretty much solved. We're post aids. We're post aids, correct, but we're not. And like I say, I'm me being a super straight, black man. I have the least amount of risk, especially being married. I mean, I'm locked in. So I don't I mean, it wouldn't have been, I need to ask you a question. Please. Do you know anyone who died of AIDS?

I do in a very early age. I mean, this is a recent or a long time ago. I don't know. No, I don't. Okay. So we don't know anybody that had it. I mean, so to say that they died from it. I didn't, I didn't. I didn't know that very many people that had AIDS. I'm the one that stuck with me, was a little girl that was assaulted by her stepfather and got very young. I mean, that's why I kind of right is stuck with me,

because I'm talking about very high, single digit age. She was a victim of a sex crime, basically caught it and died. And that's kind of me, but you hear the horror stories, you know, of people in church and that kind of thing, you know, of people. But I just want to make sure that you and I are on the same wavelength here. I don't believe in the story. Well, I mean, that's, that's not what I'm gonna say this. I believe in the symptoms. We you see these guys suffering. I

mean, I watched a lot of videos. I wish no, no, I agree. But my point is, those symptoms, I believe, came from the treatment, not from the HIV, but they're not using the same treatment anymore. Or are they? I mean, you open up another? There's no, I don't think there's because I don't think anyone is getting sick like that anymore. Everyone's or they are they are and that's what that's that's my point. I mean by okay, just go Oh, you just go on YouTube. And

search. Black people aids. You like, serious symptoms? Okay, hold on a second. Not now, you freaked me out was with a whole nother thought. Okay, you really freed me up? Could it be this thing is only being either functioning on black people or directed to function on black people? Well, that's a whole nother and we talked about what COVID And this is not a COVID show. And we talked about COVID. You know, the theory that there's more receptors and and those were

black people. It's like, what, what's this? Let's get into it. Except Except in Africa for some reasons. Right. But let's let's get into the clips. Okay. And I think I can say I like the fact that we're on two totally different pages here. Oh, because I think it's going to make for a very interesting conversation. Yeah, good. Good. A number four. Dr. Fauci. Thank you so much for taking the time. Dr. Anthony Fauci. June 5 1981 weekly report by the Centers for Disease Control was

a notable one. He recorded five unusual cases of pneumonia. These cases would become known as some of the earliest reports of AIDS. The next year, Dr. Anthony Fauci wrote in early paper about the disease which had increased to 290 recognized cases and had become a public health problem of essentially

epidemic proportions. Fauci worked at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Naya, heading up a lab that studied immune system response Nyad conducts research on diseases to help understand, treat and prevent the it falls under the National Institutes of Health or NIH, the medical research agency part of the Department of Health and Human

Services. In the early 80s, the NIH had many institutes with NIH and and National Cancer Institute leading investigation of the new virus in disease that would become known as HIV AIDS. Fauci made that investigation the focus of his career,

he we're going to be listening to Dr. Anthony Fauci. He's going to be talking about AIDS, I'm working directly on on AIDS both clinically and from a basic science standpoint, that really is one of the few of we're actually one of the only subjects where you really have to change your lecture every month. Wow. You will practice there. Interesting. Interesting to hear is difference in voice two. Completely different. Are we starting to see a pattern here? But like I said, this is

this is not what this is not a COVID show. But I always want to make it clear. I'm not talking about the science behind it. I'm not talking about any event, I'm just saying message we're talking about is the psychological baggage the sign up if you don't want to use it, and that term of being fake but the no sale sign up is the correct word. It's a psychological operation. Absolutely. That steal it and I'm just fascinating. I'm going on. Yes.

active active up. No, because the reason why I'm saying you you're saying have seems like very close gay friends and a good good size and quantity. That they're not feeling the same fear. This being still spot I mean, like now get tested, get tested, the partner, you know, got to know your partner get tested. It's it's a constant focus, because, well, this is interesting, because yes, I

certainly have many gait, acquaintances and friends. And for sure, there is a testing culture definitely is a testing culture, but not after the fact. It's a pre it's like, oh, yeah, I here's my test from last week or whatever. That's definitely there. But the fear the way it was no nowhere near. That's very interesting. And like I said, we're gonna we're gonna get on down the list and and by the way, that's that's only the white gays. I know. One

black gay, but he was HIV positive. When I met him, he worked for me for many years, and he's still alive. And I could ask him when not to and then we factor in comorbidities, which nobody's talking about that another thing? Yes. So it's like, um, I'm just long back that you know that. It's that big a divide. I man, I'm just shot. But let's go and get to work. So we're going back now to the the today's special with Joe fryer. And this is looking back on as looking back as 40 years.

When there is resistance. Was it hard to get the resources you needed? Well, in the beginning, it was I mean, we were trying to convince people that this was not something that was going to go away. This is something that was going to get worse and worse. To raise awareness. The AIDS Memorial Quilt was unveiled on the national the quilt. Organizers read the names of

those who died. Some share their stories publicly, including actor Rock Hudson, teen Ryan White, who tested positive after a blood transfusion real world star Pedro Zamora basketball legend Magic Johnson in 1995, a combo therapy known as the AIDS cocktail was ushered in, followed by even better medications offering hope. But there was no cure for the

stigma. Right now there are millions of people with HIV are suffering from social rejection because they and other people believe that they're infectious and they're not diagnosed in 2003. Bruce Richmond says he was terrified of giving aids HIV to someone else. So I didn't love I just I isolated myself I was depressed at times I was I was suicidal. But then he learned medication could reduce his viral load to

undetectable levels, meaning he couldn't transmit the virus. So Bruce started an advocacy group and coined the phrase u equals u undetectable, equals on transmittable message endorsed by the CDC gave me hope, and meant that I could be I could be intimate people with HIV can live healthy lives and not pass on the virus to anyone. And that's a revolution. I'm so happy you're doing this show. Because this is the show that I probably couldn't put together myself. Certainly not

from the angle that I've always looked at it. So your approach is really refreshing way to do this. Because ultimately, and I really love these comparisons, I think it's all a scam. I think it was all a scam, you know, from day one. Where people really dying. Yeah, Where'd it come from? It's all the same.

It's the same players. Same thing, as we're seeing now. And it's and this has been repeated in the interim as well, multiple times, it always comes down to we're gonna save you, and you'll be able to live again. And I always say, he starts with us. This was the test room, in my mind. Yeah, I'm with you on that.

This was the test run. You heard several things. One, in the previous clip before this, when I was always changing is one of the things that you know, we're just gonna always, you know, you your studies are going to be changed in two or three weeks. That kind of thing, that kind of attitude to the hat a quilt then white flags now. Totally, totally. So I'd love this. We'll go through all the all the good comparisons is going to be good. And then the other thing was what the guy say out of fear

isolated. Yeah, I felt like I couldn't, you know, couldn't be around the stigma stigma. Yeah, but I have a totally different. And you figure out the end were, what my stance is, I don't want to ruin it for you are the producers out there, but let's go ahead and get into number six. Today about 38,000 Americans are still diagnosed each year, the Andre more was 19. Remember staring at a window covered in butterfly stick.

And that moment, all I could think was DMF. If I could be one of those butterflies, and just fly away from here, then everything's gonna be okay. Ray of garage, he had a similar reaction. He was 27. So I knew next to nothing about what it meant to be diagnosed with HIV. It was a steep learning curve. And what did you learn? Well, I learned that I'm not gonna die, and I'm alive and well. You think back to that moment with the butterfly?

What would you tell yourself in that moment, you're gonna be okay, you're gonna be just as beautiful. Today, all four of these men are undetectable. And all our advocates sharing their stories to educate the public and fight the stigma. It's taken us 30 years of the AIDS crisis to teach the whole world that our lives and our lungs are equal to everyone else. It blows my mind just how far we've come. What's possible? What is possible now? My mind immediately says what isn't possible.

That's the answer. What was this aired on today's show? This was aired last year. I believe this good. I love the music changes and everything as well. So let me ask you this question. Why do we have so many new cases? They made a point to express there's a bunch of new cases 36,000 a year I think they said right we have this prep drug. Got the full seven out haven't taken it the

fools. No. Well, shouldn't Well, Premier prep doesn't actually I think prep doesn't actually stop you from getting AIDS. That's what that's what they just said undetectable equals and what did the guy say? undetectable equals m spreadable or something like that. Should we should go back on a second. Where was that? Clip to at the end might have made me laugh 30 seconds. Okay, hold on a second Smith the virus. So Bruce started an advocacy group and just a little bit.

I didn't love I just I isolated myself back a little further. No, no, you okay? Yeah. Because they and other people believe that they're infectious and they're not dying. 2003 boosts Richmond says that's it. No, no, keep going. He was terrified of giving HIV to someone else. So I didn't love I just I isolated myself. I was depressed at times. I was I was suicidal. But then he learned under medication could reduce his viral load to undetectable levels meaning he couldn't

transmit the virus. So Bruce started an advocacy group and coined the phrase u equals u undetectable equals on transmittable message. Yeah got it right endorsed endorsed by the CDC undetectable equals on transmittable so while we have a new cases because should we be trying to flatten that curve? Yeah. Yeah, we should lock them all up. Like everybody go there. Should we make prep drugs available for free to help this community, the LGBT community? Which this drug,

especially the the dark LGBT community? Um, why are these drugs not available for free? Well, I don't know that. So I don't know, the availability and the and the cost. I don't know if they are covered under a government or social health care programs. Why came out walk in my safe way right now and get free prep drugs. It's a flatten the curve. Have you tried? I know I'm being facetious, but I'm just No, I I know what I can walk into Safeway and get for free right now. This is true.

I'm just saying. I mean, if we're being acted in good faith, I guess I'm just asking that question. Yeah, no, I agree. It's Truvada I think is the is a bunch of was the Well, that's the main one, I guess was the 30. Oh, wow. Is it generic by now? It's I know it's over 30. And I know obviously in those commercials for a long time, very long time. Yeah. So I'm sure it is generic. I'm just saying it shouldn't even be prescription. It should be just like

Halloween candy. Well, you should be able to go pick it up off your shelf and over the counter. If we can save lives, I mean, if that's what we're doing. I'm being contrary in a way is saying that one and you can't have it both ways. You can't have it that this is a still linger epidemic, which it is because like I said, people are catching it and dying from it. But at the same time the thing that could solve this problem to make it on

transmittable is not being doled out with the same energy? Oh, like crazy, because holy? Yeah, a month supply of Truvada without insurance. Wanna want to take a guess? Ah, 350. Try 2000. Oh, about that. But But these people of color in the LGBT community be LGBT community? They can. So it's more than that. Yeah, they can just cough it up or die as your point was not really available? This is a very good question. Is it because who it is? Well, you want my answer. My answer is,

I mean, be rhetorical. Yeah. It may make it make sense is what I'm saying. All right. Well, let's let's look. Okay, so clearly, this has to be about money. Otherwise, why would they be do why would they be doing it this way? So the bigger question is, if if they've traumatize black America, so called Black America, but they can't afford it? Well, then what are they doing? So who are they? Who are they advertising to? Is that's

your question. Yeah, it's a very good question, too, that maybe they're just doing it just to keep fear going and probably sell to the you know, they sell enough to the to the rich people of all colors. I can say I'm just saying that these two marginalized groups of people, should they they are being treated very unfairly in this aids issue. I am in agreement with you according to the social norms of today. Yes, it is an outrage. In fact, we need to

have posters. Yes. Yeah, no, of course. No, you make a great point. Alright, so I think we stopped at six, let's get into seven. Another key breakthrough in recent years prep. It's a daily pill that people who are HIV negative can take to prevent getting the disease asked for an HIV AIDS vaccine. Well, that has

not happened yet. But Dr. Fauci tells me he is cautiously optimistic that someday we will have a vaccine that is successful 26 year old day, Andre more who you saw there hopes that he is someday going to be part of an AIDS free generation. And we want to give a big thank you to three organizations that helped us with that story there. The AIDS Healthcare Foundation, AIDS United and the prevention access campaign.

It's incredible to see how far we've come in those decades. We all remember those scenes in the 80s but there's still is a stigma. Isn't that what you learned? Yeah, there is. And it's actually kind of amazing, especially with young people, which is surprising. So a recent survey of HIV negative Millennials found that nearly a third of them say they avoid hugging, talking to or even

being friends with someone with HIV. People living with HIV often report being hesitant still to openly share their status because they fear losing friends or family or they even fear abuse, whether it's physical, emotional, or mental disability Porter, just last week, just just announced a sign of bravery even now, it's needed now, which is more than before, and he waited 14 years waited till his mother so that stigma is still there. Thank you, Joe.

Thank you, Joe. I didn't know that about Billy Porter. A man is openly wear a dress. Is a foot even afraid of the stigma. Sure, and I'm gonna say I'm saying that. I mean, however you see it, I mean, he's willness you know, present himself as he is with that aspect of his life. But his his status? No. Does he? Let me see Billy Porter? Does he do any commercials? I'm not I haven't seen him in any commercials. I'm not can recall. But it's a formula to those commercials is. Oh, black

gay. Oh, he's no whole bunch of them. Okay, it's two black gay guys. One brown gay guy, a white guy, a transgender person of any color. And then a couple black women. You're so right. Here December 2019. Johnson and Johnson TV commercial, HIV exploratory vaccine. Oh, he says he's shilling for Big Pharma. Now he's pushing the VAX? Yes, we're getting this this we've talked about prepping was not readily available to the point where it shouldn't be over the counter. I would think, um,

where like I said, I can walk in today. I can get something for free. Yeah. If if society decides that's what we need to do, but we have these people that don't have two grand that can't afford these drugs, and they're left to die waste away. No means nothing's changing. It's like the tone of this whole thing. They're like this doesn't. Why does it take no facts and Adam curry to have this conversation? When these

people are still wasting away? Like it's the 80s. Nothing's changed in 40 years for certain people. Correct? Certainly, the fear has not gone away. There's all this Oh, no two generations to generations that have been burdened with this. Yes. You want to hear about Billy Porter in the Johnson and Johnson commercial, please. Let's see what he was doing. Back in the day here. This is 2019. All right, sitting down. So listen. I first started working with Johnson and Johnson

because of their work in HIV. They've been at it for over 30 years, developing medicine that allows people to live normal lives with HIV, educating people about how to protect themselves from HIV, training doctors and nurses raising public awareness. And now and now they are working to develop an exploratory

vaccine that could one day prevent HIV altogether. After successful trials in Africa, clinical trials are about to start Africa you go Johnson and Johnson, you go and you thought they were just today because she effective. Very effective. I know they do sell some poisonous powder allegedly. Yeah. That's hilarious. That's so true. It's amazing, like what people would do with this vaccine. So now we got to get into that where they were over the time.

This next clip comes for 2007 talking about a vaccine. But it's amazing what was this new technology to help these marginalized communities. Welcome to the New England Journal of Medicine. I'm Dr. Terry Schrader. With me today is Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases

at the National Institutes of Health. Dr. Fauci has written a prospective article entitled an HIV vaccine challenges and prospects to be published in the August 28 2008 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine. Welcome, Dr. Fauci. Thank you. Good to be here. First of all, why has the 30 year search for an AIDS vaccine been so unsuccessful? Well, probably the fundamental reason is that HIV is really quite different from any other virus for which We have

successfully developed a vaccine. And the difference lies in the fact that the body in its natural response to natural infection does not make an adequate or an appropriate immune response to do not stop right there virtually ever. I just caught something. He said natural infection. Oh, let me roll that back home. I heard that clip 10 times I never heard that before. So listen again. So why has the 30 year search for an AIDS? unsuccessful?

Well, probably the fundamental reason is that HIV is really quite different from any other virus for which we have successfully developed the vaccine. And the difference lies in the fact that the body in its natural response to natural infection does not make an adequate or inappropriate immune response to do with virtually every other exposure to other viruses. Do I interesting, he put that in there? What's the unnatural? I mean, if you say natural, then what's unnatural infection? Injection?

Maybe I'm just saying I just never heard that good question. Yeah. Or, or, or it could mean natural as in some pathogen or virus that is natural and not jacked up in a lab, that you're here either. I just want to point out that he said that, yeah, he did. Take some examples, smallpox, measles, polio, all of those viruses can kill, they can mean they can make people seriously

ill. But at the end of the day, the body's immune system ultimately clears the virus from the body, eradicated completely, and allows the body to have protection against subsequent challenge. So nature has already done the experiment to tell us that not only is a vaccine feasible, the vaccine is likely because we know the immune response is capable of doing that. The problem with HIV is that literally in an unprecedented way, HIV does not elicit a protective immune

response in the body. And in fact, of the 10s of millions of people who've been infected. With HIV. There's not a single documented case of someone with established infection, who's actually eradicated the virus from the body. And the vast, vast overwhelming majority of people have progressive disease, despite an immune response to the virus. So we have to do something that others who do vaccines for other viruses don't

have to do we have to do better than nature. We have to do better than natural infection. Man, this guy's had a good rap for a long time. We got to do better than natural infection. You got to do better than nature, which, to my ears that we got to do better than God. Sure. Just just as a believer. That's what I hear in my what? Yeah, that's natural infection. I don't understand because even if you presented a vaccine to somebody, as is like normal vaccines, flu, whatever, that's

still the natural infection. I don't know what an unnatural infection is that troubles me I mean, like, well, I've never heard that before. And I'm still processing let's see if there's, let's see if there's a an entry anywhere. That natural infection versus vaccination, okay, natural infection is the opposite, or is the No, that's not the word say, it's just from science. Or this from Rockefeller, these are the guys that make the shit up. So they might as well be a defining

Rockefeller self. This is natural infection versus vaccination. So if you are vaccinated, you have been infected in a non natural way. So vaccines, listen to that clip. I mean, not not now, I understand what you're saying. I understand what he's saying. Because he's saying, because he then goes on to say, in natural affection, and he goes, specifies like vaccination, like is in line with natural

affection. But he said, if you get if you give him a vaccine and a natural affection, if you give them a vaccine overnight, this is what I'm telling you. I'm hurt. And I'm not saying this what he meant, but to my ears is like, if you give them a vaccine of a natural infection, the immune system could kick in. He didn't say him like they were two conflicting or I think I think it's worth listening again. Let's listen. Listen again. Critically, the two of us Yeah, this is this is

what Hey, it's a podcast. If people are bored, they can fast forward two minutes you'll we'll be right back with you. Welcome to the New England Journal of Medicine. I'm Dr. Terry Schrader. With me today is Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious of Health. Dr. Fauci has written a perspective article entitled an HIV vaccine challenges and prospects. It's about the vaccine list in the August 28 2008 issue of the New England

Journal of Medicine. Welcome, Dr. Fauci. Thank you Good to be here. And maybe a reminder for ourselves at the time of this interview, there was no mRNA. Boo. No, it's just straight up. Yeah, so that means that the the way vaccine vaccines work is attenuated virus a dead virus deactivated virus in the vaccine. That's how it was done. First of all, why has the 30 year search for an AIDS vaccine been so unsuccessful?

Well, probably the fundamental reason is that HIV is really quite different from any other virus for which we have successfully developed a vaccine. And the difference lies in the fact that the body in its natural response to natural infection does not make an adequate or an appropriate immune response to do what virtually every other exposure to other viruses do.

Alright, so he's saying that everybody that there's 10s of millions of people who have this virus, but these 10s of millions of people who have this virus, their body doesn't react to it like it's a hostile intruder? Correct. Interesting, okay. And take some examples, smallpox, measles, polio, all of those viruses can kill, they can mean they can make people

seriously ill. But at the end of the day, the body's immune system ultimately clears the virus from the body, eradicated completely, and allows the body to have protection against subsequent challenge. So nature has already done the experiment to tell us that not only is a vaccine feasible, the vaccine is likely because we know the immune response is capable of doing that the problem with HIV is that literally in an unprecedented way, HIV does not elicit a protective immune

response in the body. And in fact, of the 10s of millions of people who have been infected with HIV. There's not a single documented case of someone with established infection, who's actually eradicated the virus from the body. And the vast, vast overwhelming majority of people have progressive disease, despite an immune response to the virus. So we have to do something that Oh, wow, this is really good. So what he this is an Do you have

anything about PCR coming up? No, because the PCR test was developed around the same time as the AIDS crisis, and it was being used as a test. And this is where Kary Mullis, the inventor of PCR, said, This is not a this you can not use this as a test for HIV, because everyone has HIV. If you magnified enough, we've talked about the cycles and how many times it's worth more. More. Yeah. So yeah, so it's, it's

mind boggling. This is a very important clip, actually, it's mind boggling, because here he saying, oh, you know, like 10s of millions of people have it. And no one's ever gotten rid of it. That's you could you can replace that with 10s of millions of people have Kroners SARS Cove too, if you do a PCR test, just like HIV, but then they're gonna get rid of it now,

because no one can get rid of everything. So he, this clip, to me, is him saying, You know what, there's all these people who have it, and some people go on to be sick, but no one else does. This is very interesting. KATED the virus from the body. And the vast, vast, overwhelming majority of people have progressive disease, despite an immune response to the virus. So we have to do something. Right.

Now he's saying something different. Now he's saying, let's go back, I'm missing something protective immune response in the body, and in fact, of the 10s of millions of people have been infected. With HIV. There's not a single documented case of someone with established infection, who's actually eradicated the virus from the body. And the vast, vast overwhelming majority of people have progressive disease, despite an immune response to

the virus. So we have to do something that others who do vaccines for other viruses don't have to do we have to do better saying that he's saying something contradictory. That's why I told you, I don't want to say we can just leave it Yeah, we will. Because that that was some mumbo jumbo right there. Do the two things he's saying conflict. Yeah. What is the word? I'm sorry? Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm gonna say it. The reason why I'm saying that is, it's kind of

like the main point of it is out of all of these viruses. Here comes something that's so surgical, no pun intended. The air attacks the very system that should detect. Yep. Hi, bye bye. But if you call it, you say it's not natural. Those are two or two takeaways I'm taking from it. So what is it, and now we're going to get more to the efficacy of the vaccine that they've tried for HIV and number nine. For the first time a vaccine has tested positive in preventing

HIV infections. That's according to a US funded study involving more than 16,000 volunteers in Thailand. The combination vaccine prevented interactions in about 30% of the people on the trial as compared to those on a placebo. The combination vaccine includes Aloe vac made by Sanofi Ventus and aids back made by Vax Gen. A neither vaccine has independently

stopped the HIV virus in previous studies. AIDS experts say the results could transform future research and spur scientists to use the process that created this vaccine to create even better ones. Well, Matt, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease funded the breakthrough HIV vaccine studies director, Dr. Anthony Fauci is the top federal official responsible for AIDS research. He joins us right now. Dr. Fauci Great to have you with us. Give us some perspective. We've been

working on research for AIDS for many, many years. I mean, how significant is this? Well, it's a very important finding in the sense that it's open doors now that were really closed. And let me explain. We have been attempting to get an effective vaccine for literally over two decades, and everything that has been tried has been complete failure, really no signal of any kind of even slight efficacy, the fact that we have in this large trial involving 60,000

people, a 31.2%. efficacy, it's a modest efficacy, it's not something that's primetime, as it were. Modest. 2% is modest, modest, is not even in the middle man, listen, this below is below. Okay, and they're doing their testing in Thailand, and just just just a little bit of Africa, Thailand. Yeah. And it's a little background, this was two years after the sit down with the New England Journal of Medicine. So this is 2009. Okay. So if you want to go and jump into part two, we can.

It's a modest efficacy, it's not something that's prime time as it were. But it's going to allow us to pursue what the potential mechanism of that protection is, because now we have a foundation upon which to ask the questions that will hopefully allow us to get efficacy of vaccines much higher than 30 ish percent up to

6070, or 80%, where we want to be. So although this is a very important finding, it needs to be taken in context and in perspective, that it's more of a roadway to a lot of work that needs to be done as opposed to an end in and of itself. So I mean, the question then is, what's the next step here? I mean, do you work more with these vaccines? Do you need a new trial? Maybe a more controlled study? Do you work on new vaccines that come from these vaccines? Where do you see

the next steps? Dr. Fauci? Now, that's, that's a very good question. The next step is to try and figure out what we call the correlate of immunity. Go back and look at the samples we've collected, draw bloods from the people who were in the trial, and try and figure out if there's a clue as to what particular laboratory parameter that you could follow, that would be an indication that it

correlated with this protection. And once you get that, then you start to design vaccines with some similarity and some differences that are aimed at inducing that particular parameter that you've linked to protection because up to now, we don't have any idea of what of many, many immunological or laboratory phenomenon, namely, the body's ability to respond to a virus. We don't know what particular component of that

would be associated with protection against infection. We didn't even know if it existed until recently, because we've never had a positive effect like this. This is 2008 2009 You said 2009? Yeah, they were already doing mRNA with this at this point. I think he's already let letting that slip through. I wanted that didn't want to leave you there. But 2007 He was for certain we don't even know what to do. And then now it's

like, oh, we have this new technology. Yeah. And the Bloomberg brings you on and they're trying to pry you for financial information. This is a financial This is a financial me, Bloomberg. Oh, he was on Bloomberg. Yes. Oh, yeah. Well, of course, this is setting okay. We haven't heard a name yet. Who's going to be making it who are the licensees who's got patents? Yeah, like so what which way we go now back to buy out? If you can just listen to the tone the question, they're like trying to

pry him Playa applying for information. Yeah. They want to know if money is going to flow. That's what they want to know. Uh huh. So I guess I didn't want to use mRNA but I'm thinking the same thing. Yeah. That that big of a change in tone, you you have zero efficacy, and you're shooting for 70. Like you said the target was 60 or 70%, up to 80%. In that shorter period of time, I found that very interesting, but when going to get the number gets the number three.

Alright, so, Dr. Fauci, you've mentioned, you've been working on this, or everyone's been working on this for a couple of decades, you mentioned this is the foundation. So how many more years? Are we talking potentially, before there is the next significant step here? Well, you know, to be honest with you, I can't tell you that it's certainly going to be measured in years. I mean, some people when they hear an announcement like this, they think, Well, next year, we're going to wind up having a

vaccine. That's not only extraordinarily unlikely, it's it's virtually impossible that that's going to happen. It's going to be measured in years. I can't tell you how many years but if we had this conversation, six months ago, when you asked me that, I would say, I can't even tell you if we're even ever

going to get a vaccine. Now at least I have some cautious optimism that we're on the right path, but I can't put a number for you about how many years are there other steps that are more likely to prevent prevent a stronger age breakout? I mean, are some people, for example, genetically predisposed to resist the AIDS virus? Yeah, there are a group of people but they are such a relatively small fraction of the population, there is a genetic

defect that doesn't make anybody sick. But it doesn't allow the virus to infect you. It's seen in 1% of the Caucasian population and in virtually 0%, of African population. So it's not something that is broadly applicant losers to the population, the best thing to do is behavioral things, you know, safe sex, use a condom, wash your hands, these kinds of things. We're gonna mention for a very long time, six feet socially distance during sex. Man, Mo, this is

this. I'm so I gotta say it. I'm so happy to doing this. This isn't not not an easy show to put together. So who's the 1%? Ah, that's the rich white people, brother. No, that's the lizard people. It doesn't work on the lizard people. Exactly. Thank you very much. All right. I identify with that remark. Very good. Yeah. I love that. Oh, like, oh, African American. But 1% of Caucasian people. Yeah. are appearing Caucasian people,

he should have slipped in a little Boulais. That was really that was just rude. That I'm not saying like, we're not we how we deliver people is like, does it not affect their, their species now? Anyone which will who doesn't sweat, which will work perfectly. If we all know all roads lead to the population? So they're sitting back like, hey, what percent of us is just gonna be sitting around? Yeah, put this thing out here. Now let me just go somewhere for a minute. This

just says we got here. If you want to get rid of have a controlled demolition of society, and you want to get rid of the undesirables at the time being homosexuals, people of color. If you're if I'm that 1% That couldn't get in fact, this I am. I am the loser man. As is perfect. It's like we can't catch it. It won't harm you know, any people that we desire to stay around. Um, well, you know, this, roll it out. This is exactly what, and it's kind of interesting in context of today. This is

exactly how gay men felt of all colors. But all game all gay men felt that they were being targeted. And Fauci if this was in the press this was this was it mainstream Fauci is killing gay men to depopulate Well, this is Wargaming out right you know, we know we're safe and heterosexual white people are pretty much be safe because that are adhering to the Judeo Christian stay inside your marriage. So they're good. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You mean the way the way they thought or the or

just the way the loser Peabody? I'm sorry, gotcha. Yes, I'm thinking. I'm thinking, I see the tongue. Alright. Um, it won't spill over. And if it does spill over aravis theory, their participant in buggery, or we feel undesirable. Today need to go to Yeah, I'm just saying, yeah. Look, the the slogan age is crowd control existed a long time ago. This was definitely definitely a thought at the time. Yeah, of course. But I didn't know about this 1% That's kind of cool. To lizards. Good.

Alright, so I'm just this is a little snippet. Just 30 seconds. Just to hear you hear the financial aspect of 3.5 Dr. Fauci what does this do though, for the drug companies around the world we had Sanofi adventus and I believe it was Vax Jen who had the two vaccinations that were brought together in this recent development, does it harness everyone involved because of this kind of big step forward?

You know, I can't speak for pharmaceutical companies, I'm sorry that they're gonna make their decisions, their business decisions based on what they do internally. Do you think they'll be more interested though with this development? Well, then that's a no brainer. Of course, they're gonna be more interested in it if you have a successful product. Alright, we're gonna leave it there. Dr. Fatty thanks so much, Dr. Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.

Very interesting collaboration there just like Pfizer bio in tech. They were pressing them hard for like, this the stock like give us Yes, and this is what's so crazy. So if you look at the players in the, in the COVID, vaccinations, the like, Maderna, that that wasn't even it was it barely accompany and was just one big failed glob of crap. And then everyone piled in, everyone was buying shares, and you know, there's stock has gone up, like $300 or something. It's crazy.

You know, and I would like to see who those smaller companies that were listed in that part. were tied to right, because they're not that kind of probably like the Madonna of their time. Oh, sure. Like, you know, these little outlets, yeah, like bio and tech Maderna. You know, those are much smaller. And then of course, you have Pfizer, which is, which is the big, they've got the sales, they've got the road, they got the Rolodex, they got the the sales channel.

Well, now we're gonna fast forward to present day and this is Fauci. He was brought on in MSNBC to talk about the possibilities of an AIDS vaccine now that we've seen with COVID-19, let me ask you about actually the point about developing a vaccine 40 years into your work on HIV and AIDS. Does the development process and the success with the COVID vaccines give us? Should that give us any new hope for an HIV vaccine? Absolutely, absolutely. And that's a really good question.

Because the technologies that were developed the mRNA technology, the success of using a very elegant techniques, have the conformational correct form of the image in in the right form to engage the immune system to optimally make a good response. You know, it was back and forth, Rachel, what was done with HIV, early on the unsuccessful with a vaccine went

a long way to make success for the COVID-19 vaccines. And the technologies that have now been perfected, particularly the mRNA technology, and other vaccine platforms that were perfected, and used in COVID-19, I believe strongly will go back and be able to really forward and advance the HIV effort. In fact, there are scientists right now, even as we speak, that are using what the COVID-19 effort has inspired us to do to start

working on that for HIV. So it's just science at its best, you know, contributions back and forth, with the fundamental core of it being the investment that one makes in basic biomedical research, which is really the resounding success story of the scientific approach to COVID-19 vaccines, and it has resulted in already saving millions of lives. Oh, saving lives. Oh, my goodness. Okay. Just something

just struck me. Earlier, we heard in the clip that the efficacy of what you and I are presuming is early mRNA. Technology was 37%. And that was so if you look at the now not the absolute, you know, relative, if you look at what they're touting his efficacy, you know, I started off it at 9998 97. Do you know where it is today? Admittedly, it's around 37%. This is very interesting. This is very interesting. Yes, this is fantastic. This is a find.

But also, my question is if you've been sitting on this technology, and you've been the number one age guy for 40 years, and it's clear that you've had this breakthrough in 2009 Wow, we're just not hearing about getting getting around to AIDS vaccine. That should have been the leader. Don't Yeah, I think I'm just I'm just saying like from saving lives aspect, I'm just acting in good faith. Oh, and we got famous killing people. And we're still still spreading. And this has been my

life's purpose is to defeat to defeat this monster. Call aids. Why didn't you kick it off to them first. Wasn't ready, man. Oh, it wasn't like this like me and I'm gonna give you an analogy. That's like a, you lose your wallet. And then I don't say anything and then you ask, Hey, have you seen my wallet? And I'm like, yeah, it's right here. Yeah. I had to hold down while the whole damn time. Yeah, that's pretty much it. It's uh, that's not troubling the people shady.

Yeah, this whole this whole show is troubling to people. Mo. You just sitting here sitting on the answer is not gonna He's not gonna fork it over. Yeah. Till he was waiting a lot. He was waiting for him. He was waiting for a bigger market. Come on the whole world versus a bunch of gays. Come on. Wow. Almost say I'm asked this. Good to go on the other side of sinister side of it and remind people this is not a cover show. It couldn't be that your big fear of having multiple gay

people falling dead? is bad. Say that, again. Having multiple people gay people are dead from your HIV vaccine. Oh, you know, that would be very bad. Yes. Oh, okay. Hold on. Stop. I'm with you. Okay, so he let's roll. Let's game it out again, shall we? Okay, sure. So we know that the real moneymaker long term, because it won't be necessarily a public health crisis like COVID is things like the UN AIDS vaccine. Why? Because, you know, everyone who wants to have sex is gonna is

gonna want to have this vaccine. And 60 is completely voluntary. You don't have to mandate it, everyone will be like, Hey, man, I might as well do it. So what they're doing now is they're at now they're actually perfecting it with this massive scale, and a whole bunch of people where we have the media and politicians and a lot of stakeholders, covering up the adverse events, the deaths, all this stuff, and I should say it and distracting while they are literally tweaking this, they're tweaking

this stuff. And and it's for longer term goals, like aids like cancer, etc, etc. This so now, I'm sorry, you can't start with because you can't start with a no, no, you're no, no, you're absolutely right. Because if people died of AIDS, you killing gay people, you can't do that. But if it's just a whole bunch of suckers, you know, who don't really hear about and then wherever, just poor people, rich people, you know, once in a while we get a celebrity. Don't worry, we'll

cover that up. You know, that was a complication from COVID wasn't a vaccine or anything like that. What I learned from the first time of that, yeah, but so Fauci Yeah, he's at now, so it's probably only got a couple more years, so time to get this Gone With the aid stuff, too. Yeah, so I just want to know, that's really good. Yeah, yep. Yep, yep. Yep. So now we're going back to the Vox segment, Dr. Fauci explain three.

She was named director of Nyad. In 1984. In the then director of Health and Human Services, highlighted Fauci his background in immunology and infectious diseases as a main reason for his appointment. A major effort was directed at determining if a variant of this virus could actually cause depletion of lymphocytes, or

acquired immunodeficiency syndrome. And as it turned out, a variant of that virus in fact, causing the syndrome Joshi is leading early research helped define Nyad as the central NIH institute for AIDS, he made it a point to be the person communicating key findings to the public in media. The scientific data is overwhelming that in fact, AIDS cannot be transmitted by casual contact, but it was a later political test that shows how Fauci

navigated the AIDS crisis and secured his career. In summer of 1988, playwright Larry Kramer wrote an open letter to Anthony Fauci calling him an incompetent idiot and a murderer. His opinion was broadly reflective of activists, most notably the organization Kramer inspired the AIDS coalition to unleash power or act. In 1986, Fauci had reinforced his position as the leading scientist for the Federal aids effort, he created a new division to focus on the disease and earned other

significant NIH posts. But progress was slow, especially for diseases as deadly as AIDS where patients died on average 15 months after diagnosis. So this goes to speak, speak about previously you can't have the dead bodies in the street and he caught a lot of color caught a lot of flack from it. From Larry Kramer so yeah, a lot of this is coming back now. Okay. Yeah. A lot a lot of parallels and one thing he did say he used the word variant there's well yeah, remember this is not a COVID

show. And it's not and he said 19 That was 1984 I think he was making that speech that they segment it. I saw this with a dress. I saw it but I didn't clip anything from it because it's very tedious to follow through but yet he used the word so is the other HIV is out here. I know there was a like I said, urban legend. Just go about what we got to talk about was talking to tie up here. Not the medicine ball. I never had never heard of this. Just another good. I never heard of a an HIV variant.

I did. You did? Yes. Super aids. Yeah, okay. I recall super aids. Yeah. But where'd it go? Superman got it and took it away. I don't know. Where did it come into that? It's probably the publication's reread, but a lot of the like hip hop and hip hop had a lot to do with AIDS as well. And just for I'm gonna show you how powerful the AIDS Initiative was. The firt the intro song was a song by old dirty bastard. Yep. It's called Shimmy Shimmy.

Ah, and the hook goes, Ooh, baby. I like it. Raul. He was and they made him change that. Oh, really? Actually record a PSA. Oh, really? Yes. Cheese. So that that must have been at the height of because it means to the money. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Even even earlier, even earlier that the money that was that was being spent on. On aids advocacy was an real mo I've been i i Remember with someone else's money. I bought Michael

Jackson's fedora hat. Which I think I think it was like three and a half $1,000 as it some benefits, which I then gave away of course, as a as some radio promotion. But the point was, that was just me. There was a lot of money flowing. It was crazy. And it still is because Getting tested is a huge thing. You know your status right now I'm just talking about marketing and Hollywood and that that was unparalleled at the time to concerts, Elton John. So I guess we won't get to part four explained.

Fauci, Nyad. Were responsible for starting trials for new drugs, which the FDA required for approval. In June 1986 Nyad created a network of clinical trials centers around the country, though they were criticized as ineffective. Activists argued that the NIH, the FDA, and leadership up to prison Reagan had failed to take the crisis seriously. This photo from an October 1988 protest shows the key complaints at the time, the FDA is lengthy drug approvals required strict

scientific clinical trials. It was textbook science, but the disease killed at a faster pace than the FDA is process. If you entered a trial, a certain percentage of patients got the drug and a certain percentage got a placebo. This helped test if the drugs were safe, and if they really worked, that was important because many AIDS drugs didn't pan out. But with AIDS getting a placebo was a death sentence. And that meant

fewer volunteers for clinical trials. The epidemic needed a radical approach, but experimental approaches like aerosolized pentamidine weren't being approved. The drug helped treat one of the most common infections caused by AIDS yet trials had been delayed by Nyan which Fauci blamed on insufficient staff. Under Pressure, he acknowledged the

approval problem in 1988. He testified in Congress that he would go for what is available on the street if he were a patient, a blunt rebuke to FDA policy keeping these new approaches that have reached that point, we got the buyers clubs called go to what's available on the street, huh? Wow. Wow. Holy crap. Try that now. Yeah. But, um, keep it. Anything you would like to say about that. Now? That's a lot. It was a lot. No. No, I'm just letting it flow. Let it flow over

me. Well, this will be in conjunction with the previous clip. This is actually I have Larry Kramer. Okay, this is him. This is him getting angry and this is at the Connecticut form. In 1993. The president promised to appoint his most important White House appointments within by the time he was alive. Did he campaign that the aid czar would be one of these? There is no aid czar. There is no person that they're even interviewing for an aid SAR

I fear and I dread to make a prediction. But I fear that these next four years, as far as aids are concerned, are going to be just as bad as the last eight years. 12 years. No, I know we're supposed to be nice to him. Give him his honeymoon. I haven't got time for a honeymoon. Mary Fisher doesn't have time for a honeymoon. This doctor here from your own city doesn't have time for honeymoon. 1 billion people don't have time for a honeymoon. I see a red light is on up there. I guess

I've exceeded my six minutes. What have I learned in the last 12 years? Is the question that is always asked me on interviews. I went to Yale I was assistant to the president of two major United States corporations, Columbia Pictures and United Artists Corporation. I have made films that have won the Academy Awards. I have an Academy Award nomination myself. I am a rich man. in monetary terms. In the last 12 years, I have learned what it is like to be treated like a cake. Like a

nigger. Like a sick, like a faggot, like a piece of shit. I have learned that people are not very nice that there is no such thing as the Judeo Christian tradition. And that intentional genocide is allowed. You know, what's really remarkable is how loud these voices were back in the day. Gay men, and they have zero voice. Now gay men are you know, they're just they're outcast. And they lead a lot of this. Yeah. And that's the thing. The power is gone.

It's just been removed. Well, it's been co opted by, of course, in their community. They've been there experienced the same thing. Yes. And it's not the it's been co opted by actual trans lives matters, etc. Well, it's not your preference of sexual preference is the issue of masculinity period. Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah, good. Man. Gotta go man. Black man gotta go white man. Gotta go gay man. Gotta go man have to go and nasty whole plans to marginalize

all these other groups? Because like you said, to the point where you're actually being kicked out of your group. I mean, we're all we're all experiencing this. What do you think they want to do with us? We mean, we only need a few one of us per 1000. What 10,000? I mean, I mean, why not? Just do it, like the old Egyptian de js. You know, like, like, Cleopatra. You know, she has, you will be slaves. She was okay to sex slaves. Just feed us. Let's have football. But you

don't need a lot of them. Yeah, I know. I mean, well, to give a parallel, they want to make us a Unix in a way. Unless you have something to offer sexually attracted me like you always pointed out attracted me and don't get me to correct a lot. You don't have anything to offer sexually. Then you're basically Unix shut up and just do work and keep your head down. Yeah. And that goes for all that goes for all men. Yes. Crazy. You thought he thought he thought you know that. And what's

happening now is he experienced that as a white man then. Yeah. To say, oh, even white man could be genocide. Yeah, that was new for him. Now he you heard the words that he used this when he was going through it right now is gay men are experiencing that because they kicked in the LGBT the LGBT LGB GBT door and now they're like, Shut up and sit in the corner. Oh, yeah, no, this is that man kicked in there still right door Now shut up and get in the corner. It's an insult

that they're included in the acronym. Yeah, there should be no G in the URL. TBBT QQ IA P k plus where there there the Green Man or the black, the white. I'm just saying, but I'm just gonna illustrate your point in further this thing where they say black men are the white men of black people, gay men on the straight men of gay people I know what you mean. She said, she said really weird. And it sounds weird we use that I'm the white person or black

people. What is the saying things like now? Now you're the dominant factor. And I agree well, no. So you gotta go. Okay, so the so clearly what we have to do is we have to turn it around, since we all know the black man goes first. Have we need to lift the black man up to, uh, to lead that return back into our rightful place where you restore it, what you restore is a masculine society. And that's not led in a sense of, oh, you know, like

oppression. That's in, you know, fatherly, that's why the patriarchy is that so it's so under attack, under attack, because it's about leadership. Right? Well, exactly. But you know what, right now, I only see black men standing up and saying this, you Jason Whitlock recently on, I think I saw him on Tucker doing this. What were your back against the walk? See, a lot of these other groups think they're just there's negotiation. We realize

they're negotiating. There's no negotiating, right? I mean, what? There's no I mean, like, we were at the bottom, like, messing this gonna lead us great. It's another clip what he's felt what he thought he can negotiate. Like, he was talking about Clinton, he was like, Well, it'd be nice to give us honeymoon days. No honeymoon period. Right? There's, we knew how was going to happen after the 2020 election. We were ready. We had batten hatches, like we knew what was gonna happen.

So when you say when you say when you say we is there a phone call that I should be on from time to time or no? A psychological thing like formation, right? It can happen both ways. Yeah. Get your mind around the idea. And you're looking to the left and right. It's like you're gonna see it everywhere you need to. Yeah, so I want to get into the point of benign neglect. And that's what Larry Clayman Kramer was

experiencing. And this is Dr. Francis Cresswell Singh. She's gonna explain what benign benign neglect is. What racism, white supremacy is the effect racism because the more the victims of racism and white supremacy are kept in a state of ignorance, then that enhances the strength of the system itself. And every effort is made to block black people penetrating and having an in depth understanding of racism.

White supremacy, is my understanding that the Attorney General Eric Holder in commenting upon the Supreme Court, Chief Justice said that the chief justices said the way to deal with racism is to not talk about it. That would be the same in medicine, the way to deal with cancer is to not talk about it. Then the patient and everybody else who might be afflicted with cancer, they just go forward and die. Because it's

being ignored, or be given benign neglect. I think that was President Reagan's term about how to deal with racism. So that's what you alluded to about Jason Whitlock and what we do here at the show, you've heard it several other people that we rely shutting up is what they want us to do. Yeah, this is just an end. No, no, no, we're going out kicking and screaming if we're gonna go out, speaking in the mic, all the way mo all the way.

So let's see. Now okay, now we got to go back because this is a throwback clip from a show 44 That was big bang, big Big Bang Barry told about Brock Obama. And this is Reverend Wright, and it's something that we didn't catch in there. I'm not gonna say it. I want you to listen to it context of what we're talking about now. And the United States of America government when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent, fairly, she failed. She put them

on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly. She failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating the citizens of

African descent fairly American failed. She puts demand, change the government, put them on slave quarters, put them on action block auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, let them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, let them in scientific experience, stillness, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kicked them out of their racist vaccines of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and

helplessness. The government gives him the drugs them bigger prisons, passes a three strike law, and then wants us to sing God bless America. No, no, no, not God bless America. God damn America. The Bible for killing innocent people. Damn America. Citizen. Human God damn. Holy See. Free man that was that was so assassinated in the media. Yes. Oh, my goodness. But Obama was embarrassed by it himself. Well, there's a he, first of all, being associated with somebody

who speaks like that with that tone. The tone itself? Yeah. You know, he played. He played I'm nice. And I'm not I'm not threatening. I'll just know. I'll be quiet. You heard? Not, for instance, Chris Wilson. loot. Eric Holder, one of his pics of just don't talk about it, you know, just don't talk about and this was bad for the messaging. Yeah. So they had to condemn him? Well, one of the things Jeremiah Wright was known

about was preaching about AIDS and where it came from. And your sermon he said, the government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. So I asked you Do you honestly believe your statement and those words? Have you read Horowitz's book emerging viruses, AIDS and Ebola? Whoever wrote that question, have you read medical apartheid? You read it? You honestly five? No questions from

the floor. I read different things. As I said to my members, if you haven't read things, and you can't, yeah, based on this Tuskegee experiment, and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything in fact, in fact, in fact, one of the one of the responses to what Saddam Hussein had in terms of biological warfare was a non question because all we had to do was check the sales record. We sold him those biological weapons

that he was using against his own people. So any type of government can put together biological warfare to kill people, and then get angry when those people use what we sold them. Yes, I believe we are capable. Mm hmm. That's the part you didn't hear about. I recalled, I recall the clip, but no, for all for all intents and purposes, no, no one heard that. Did you hear him engaged to ski? Yes course. That's what I'm talking about. Here. The floor push back in my

age. It was like there was an uproar. He's like, Okay, I need to, you're saying to get them off for me? Yeah, Tuskegee, right. We call that. Oh, yeah. We have a term benign neglect. What is it? And what is it reflexive thing? Like get up off me? Yeah, of course. Of course. Give me time to think about an

answer me. Japanese out of that, you know, I was a great example of, of what I've been saying about how tuskys You and me we've talked about underlying about not trust doctors period, as far as I know, are the solutions they have to ski is also it's also great, because because, as you point out, it's like this, get off my back. Let me think about some more here. So I'll just throw it to ski to ski long. It's hard to say it's interesting. You don't really hear it. You have to make

sure you don't say Tuskegee Airmen. You know, it's like it's a really good one because I think it's relatively short, but it gives you double the punch on how much more time you got to figure out what you're going to say next. Yes, and I just want to lay that out. But he lays out some some heavy names there. Horwitz and other people, but before we do that, we got a show appreciation to the people that make this possible. Yes. And let us explain how we do it.

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brought up a name Dr. Leonard Horowitz. Have you ever heard of him before? Uh, I think so. But it's just like such a doctor name, if you know what I mean. So what well, let's go ahead and get into this is the origins of AIDS and Ebola viruses.

Let me just share with you quickly how I got started. You would never imagine this in 1982, when I was finishing up my Harvard master's in public health, and I was asked what I would like to would I like to participate in educating gay folks and others about this thing called gay Related Immune Deficiency. This was before it was called AIDS. And I said, Now, I want to I don't want to deal with that disease at all. I

don't want to think about that at all. Here I am. 15 years later, 16 years later, and what am I doing traveling around the world, telling people about the manmade origins of AIDS and Ebola. I was working over here my favorite area of research and teaching was in self care, healthy human development, motivational psychology, teaching people like Danny does, how to take better care of themselves boost their immune systems. So I was really into that I love that's my favorite

thing. And one day, kind of like the miracle happen, where there was a crisis, and I was the right person at the right time. It was 1990, July 27 1990. When the case of the Florida dental aids tragedy hit the press. Remember the case of the Florida dentist for affected his patients with the AIDS virus? Oh, man, do I remember that? Huh? Do you remember it from then? I remember it. I mean, like I just being on the news. And my dad was saying watching the news, but I don't recall it like

that. I you know, I remember like, it'd be a big thing like, oh, dentists are giving people aids, you know, that kind of thing. You won't want to go talk about it. No, no, no, no, no, I'm just I'm just remarking that I vividly recall that. Okay, well, I have a local clip from perfect. From the local news. Dr. Acuras. Case is bringing national attention to our area tonight into the increasing fears over how the AIDS virus is

spread. Nowhere has the impact of AIDS been so tragic than here in our area where a young woman is the first in the country to claim she contracted the deadly disease from a medical caregiver. The implications for you and for the health community are enormous. In the first of my three part Action News extra on AIDS anxiety, you can meet the young woman who was bravely forging ahead, despite the odds that we're all gonna die.

You know, we're all none of us are immortal. With aids, you're more aware of it. She's a 22 year old college graduate with a promising future. Until December 1989. When Kimberly Byrd Dallas found out she was diagnosed with AIDS. Suddenly, fate changed the future. It's frightening. You know, I was I was at a point in my life where I had all these different goals and I was sending out my

resume. And I was thinking about, you know, marriage and eventually, you know, children and so it's it's a big setback. Kimberly believes she contracted the deadly disease during a 1987 tooth extraction. Her dentist David Acker of steward died of AIDS this past September, I thought about everything else and nothing else made sense. The only person that I've been exposed to that had had AIDS was the dentist.

Ah, I remember Dr. Leonard Horowitz because I read one of his books and it was and I looked it up where we were listening emerging viruses, AIDS and Ebola. Yes, now I remember Yes. It's been a lot Okay, so I don't know if you want to get into the acres or not before this next clip. You got anything you want to say about him something you remember you want to know get into? No, no, no. Should I be when did you expect something from you?

Yeah, did I mean Oh, if you familiar with it. books because this is right up your alley in these next couple of clips 23. At that time, I was serving as the world's leading dental and

medical catalog supply company's chief professional advisor. And my background was in media health education, health promotion, fear, because I worked on dental phobia reduction therapy programs, behavioral therapy programs to allay people's fear going dentist, and I've been a dentist for 16 years, and health education and media persuasion technologies. And here the media was making so many people afraid

to go see their dentists in the wake of this case. So I was asked, I was told I was given the job opportunity to develop patient educational literature to help allay people's fear of going into medical practices. So I started to research the Centers for Disease Control as official investigation reports. In the case, I first found them to be scientifically questionable. I then found them to be scientifically bogus, and

then later found them to be fraudulent. They've literally covered up deleted the most incriminating evidence against the dentist, who I have to conclude after three years of studying this case and publishing three scientific reports literally having to go out of the United States to publish because the American Dental Association American Medical Association wanted to maintain the cover.

Yeah, so it's been 30 years since I really honestly, well, a little bit less than of course, but that's when I was earnestly when these books were coming out when I was really studying this stuff. And it wasn't till hmm, another 10 years after that, that, you know, I really think started to become clear. And it's been for me, it's been total benign ignorance ever since. So let's just catch people up on what he's saying in the previous

two clips. So what he's saying is he had no interest in looking aids, which he was called gay. Yeah, instead of auto immune deficiency, immunodeficiency disease. It was called gay immunodeficiency does not so it was greed. It was, like gay to me. No, it was no saying it was the acronym was greed. Yeah. So great. First of all, great rebranding on that, because greed would have not flown over now. Well, no, no good at all. Second of all, what

he's saying is he was chasing the money. They were losing money because people didn't want to go to dentists. Because they were afraid. Yeah, wish that brings up another point how I don't know how people can let somebody go look in their mouth man, in the middle of this thing we got going on. But this is not a COVID show. Um, it didn't stop what he's saying. I asked him started chasing the money and figuring out how to get people to start going to the dentist again, he started looking to

this case with acres. And he found out that the dental dentistry and dentistry industry and the FDA, FDA covered up everything get to the point where he had to go out of the country to publish his book. I just want to feel people Bruce and discovery, the two clips or segment with the local report. So I wanted to fill people in on what's going on in time. He

didn't purposely pursue aids. No, he was nothing money's Hunter he was trying to try to make to get people in the dentist offices, terrain, which I mean, which is head comes on that natural apprehensions in its first place. But I digress. So we can go now we can go. And this, I think is where you're going to be very interested. 24 I wrote

a book. This was based on those three scientific reports called Deadly innocence, my ninth book, wherein I have to conclude that the dentist based on all the evidence using the FBI, his own behavioral science literature, how they themselves investigate and evaluate these types of cases that this dentist, scientifically trained military dentist for much of his career, very intelligent dentist, believed that he was dying of a virus that the government had created. They covered that up.

He believed that they had intentionally injected this virus during the 1978 experimental hepatitis B vaccine that was given to a lover of his that he had in 1985. And that's how he got infected. And he believed that this was genocide. And he believed in what was called the World Health

Organization theory of AIDS. The videotape that Danny stated he saw the Stryker memorandum was what Dr. David Acker believed that the World Health Organization United States Public Health Service Centers for Disease Control has something to do with the development of these types of viruses and the deployment of them through Hepatitis B and other vaccines in Africa and North America. Oh man, you are opening up a deep rabbit hole that was pretty

dusty. I had that one close a long time, brother. Long time ago like oh man, he's taking me back to the Strecker memorandum never like a review that rabbit hole. So damn you damn you mo facts. So since we re Earth, this rabbit hole, let's go ahead and jump in the extract stricker memorandum that we need to set it up about what it was was that? Well, let's just give a little setup. This is this guy that makes the case Dr. Robert Stricker, he makes this case

wish it was six parts. I found it on YouTube. I secured it on YouTube. Yes. Whatever that means we'll get a content strike, I'm sure. No, what I'm saying is I secured I downloaded the actual video. Archives. Yes. You seen the title and say disappeared? Yeah, obviously, taken down. But he makes the case that AIDS was created in a lab? Well, not correct. It was always worth creating the lab and it got out somehow. He didn't say if it was

intentional, or if it was by accident. But he just makes the case that AIDS was created in lab and I'm glad that this is not a COVID show. I'm glad to aids the most devastating biological catastrophe the world has ever known. This disease will kill more people this year than all other viral diseases combined. According to Dr. Robert Stryker AIDS is a man made genetically engineered virus that was either accidentally or deliberately introduced into the world's population. Age is not a

homosexual disease. Age is not a venereal disease. Age did not originate from the green monkey. Age is not prevented by the use of condoms. And AIDS is not likely to ever be cured by a vaccine. I realize what you've just heard, contradicts most of what you've been told about AIDS. In this program, Dr. Robert Stryker will present documented evidence that refutes the official stance taken by so called AIDS experts, members of

the research community and the government. And now, let's find out the truth about AIDS. Yeah, now we're cooking with gas. So, okay, so we got to back up a little bit and go back to what Dr. Hall was saying. He said he found out about this scenario of bikers, the dentist, Akers was giving giving people intentionally aids because his lover had gotten AIDS through a hepatitis vaccine. And out of anger, he started to infect

people. And this memorandum supports what acres believe. So I'm just filling everybody in where it means little disjointed, but I want to make sure everybody's caught up to speed on where we're at with this. Yep. Go and get to part two of the stricker. I'm Dr. Robert Straker, a practicing internist and gastroenterologist in Los Angeles. I have a special

interest in pharmacology, pathology, and now aids. I became interested in the AIDS questions several years ago and doing a health maintenance proposal basically an insurance proposal for security Pacific bank, a bank here in California.

More and more members of the medical and research community such as Dr. Peter Duesberg, the University of California at Berkeley, Dr. John seal, a member of the Royal Society of medicine of London, Dr. Alan Cantwell, who has recently finished a third book on age this one on the origin of aids are questioning the validity of the popular view about AIDS, which has failed to scientifically explain the disease. So I've decided it's time that someone tells you the

truth about AIDS. So in this program, I will show you how the AIDS virus was actually predicted, requested for Deuce deployed and now threatens the very existence of mankind, because it works. To understand why I believe that the AIDS virus came out of a laboratory rather than out of the jungles of Africa, you have to understand several important

concepts which I will address in the next few minutes. These concepts actually include an understanding of viruses, bacteria, human cell lines, tissue culture, and manipulation of all those things in the laboratory. What's really cool about this repeat, rinse, rinse repeat

cycle that that it's if this were a COVID show. What's really cool about it, which is not so and hearing all of this now we need to go back and listen Remember what Reverend Reverend Wright said about a Goddamn America, giving people AES keys going off of these peoples facts. And now we got to bring it back into the wild was a sign up, it was like, Oh, the road sign up plays on, they're saying so called Black Americans, because we were

hearing this in rap songs. We were hearing this in church, this barbershop. Now I know what I was going to say, and it makes it lead you into this point. So we have, you know, this grainy YouTube video, which has been disappeared multiple times as pretty much one of the last pieces of evidence so you can go out and you can go get the you can read the striker report, but nothing quite as powerful as seeing him at the blackboard, you know, and

explaining what's going on. What is happening to that today with with you know, now we have all of this, these different avenues, all of this media, all of these things, like even even Reverend, right, there's only really one or two little pieces. So you know, while the cycle is rinsing, repeating, we have become so much more communicative amongst ourselves and have figuring stuff out over here. And I think that's the fundamental flaw of what I'm going to jump to the end. Of

course, I totally believe that this is all the same thing. I just stuffed that away into a deep dark closet until you open the door. Thank you very much. Right because the door had closed on your side. That's right. For them, but not for you. Exactly. And my side is thinking still brewing. It's like how am I still still killing people? I mean, like you heard the guy came out 14 years later and say he had AIDS. I forgive me, Bobby. Porter. I think God's name, Billy Porter. Billy

Porter. Yeah, you hear him come out. This thing is still fresh. And it's unresolved up. And I want to say one thing, because why people like well, was Reverend right. Reverend Wright was is a healthcare professional in the military that care for? I think Lyndon Baines Johnson. Yeah. So he's, people don't know that. They don't know that. Yeah, he's not just some I mean, when you hear Reverend, they might think Raven, Jesse Jackson

or Al Sharpton? No, we're talking about somebody that worked for the government that had allegiance to the government, like all reference do. Eventually, he, he was loyal enough to care for American president, they actually have pictures of them together. So this is not some kind of fly by night guy that's throwing around these allegations. So I just want to make that clear. But this is where his teachings is coming from. But the SIOP is how

now it's like, oh, no, no, age is a square deal. And we seen this, I brought this up before, but interesting not to belabor the point. But we saw this with OJ, it was very clear when OJ was found innocent. A lot of black people either thought he was innocent, or went along with it. He was innocent. You know, you didn't question me. Like, sure. Right. So it was the same thing with AIDS. It was like no, man made. Government gave us

aid. I think I'm even kind of has a lot to lose to that. Um, oh, all the greats have slipped it in. Yeah, all those. So I'm just saying, but I'm sorry to come back to that. So it's been in hip hop that that is the main the main point here is now now it's open to everybody. It's not necessarily just hip hop, hip hop was didn't have the distribution has today, but it was definitely the CNN. One of the most popular songs in I wanna say r&b, hip hop

history, waterfalls. The first verse is about age pacing age, age patient. Little precious. Yeah. So I mean, we're talking about so 10s of millions of albums. That's like one I mean, I wonder how many Grammys that song one I mean, it's how ingrained it was in the culture. So when you hear somebody with the reach and you know the respectability of a Reverend Wright's preaching that in his church, you can see what how

this thing got set in. But now it's now we can go actually, we can go back thank God archivist save these tapes, uploaded these tapes. So we can revisit and we can if you look backwards, you oftentimes see the future. Um, with that said, where are we at 27? Yes, we are. In essence, I have to conclude at the end of that case that the dentist most plausibly was an identical to an organized serial killer. He made to paint a classic organized serial killer

personality, you know, like the Unabomber. These people they all according to FBI kill for the sake of power controlling Revenge, revenge being the major theme and the principal issue is principal vendetta was screaming loud and clear in the legal testimonies that was against the federal government. In essence, I concluded that he created a crime he did not all organized serial killers love to do they manipulate the authorities of

the catch. 22 is the Unabomber. He publishes his manifesto in the New York Times Washington Post says here's what I believe you tried to get me. David Acker, the Florida dentist was virtually identical to this. In essence, he created a crime mystery that could not be solved without implicating the government, because if they told the truth, if they said he was an organized serial killer then the whole world what a mono motive and the motive was screaming loud and clear and

illegal testimony, which they buried. So there was one document however, that came along with that videotape called the striker memorandum that Stryker sent to David Acker. And it was the most horrifying document I had ever seen. It was a 1970 department of defense appropriations request for $10 million for a five year study, to develop immune system ravaging micro organisms for germ warfare. Oh, man, what does that sound like? Happy This is not a COVID show. Again, a function research anybody.

He was a equivalent to the Serial Command to the Unabomber to say I'm gonna do some killings. That way, if you investigate it, you got to investigate the whole story, right? We wouldn't just some crazy guy in Florida or allegedly some crazy guy in Florida was in as he was paying in the news, and then it'd be it'd be in the interest of parties. And that whole news segment that I played, I lit I clipped it. But I mean, it was like a three part series. His

name was never mentioned like that. He was never a part of the store. Pa who he was nothing. It was just like, yeah, let's get this dentist. got over it. I mean, this guy was a military dentist. He was involved in his community, big time golf guy, I think not endorsed down in Florida. Um, you know, pillar of the community. And then he just goes on this quiet rampage of offending places and nobody asks why cam man? By the way, I put the the waterfall lyrics into the

show notes. Not everybody might have known that about the about the lyrics. Yeah, that's that first the first verse is about as basic as patient. Yeah. So now we got to go back and listen to Fauci and this is Dr. Fauci do. This is the blurb, Dr. Fauci, Director of National Institute of allergies and infections, infectious disease, at the National Institutes of Health, NIH, talks about the prospect of bioterrorism and the safety and ethics of poaching potentially dangerous scientific information

and the interconnected world. So this is, um, he's speaking to the Center for Strategic and International Studies. And he's talking about anthrax.

bioterror is there's always the potential for bioterror. And we have a major bio defense research and development effort that spans agencies from the NIH to do the basic research to be able to develop better vaccines, how you counter engineered microbes, how you approach drug resistance, engineered microbes, the CDC has surveillance mechanisms to determine if there's new microbes or anything out there in society, particularly toxic that could be used in a bioterror situation,

the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense, we do all of that. Having said that, the worst bioterrorist is nature itself. Nature is very good at evolving microbes to create problems much smarter than any terrorist. So what we've tried to do over the years, is to use the expertise of the resources to allow us to respond better to a deliberate a front or attack on us with a microbe of any type engineered or what have you, to use that knowledge to better prepare us

for what we know will happen. We don't know whether we will ever have an attack on us in the United States or elsewhere, using biological weapons. We absolutely know that we will have the evolution of a new disease naturally occurring that will impact society. And the reason is because history is told us that that will happen.

Ah yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm familiar with this. I'm familiar With a piece of his, yeah, I just I despise it this guy is even talking about bioterrorism not be not be a part of this, but he is. But what he's saying is we got to stay out in front of nature justification, because nature is gonna kill us. Well, that's correct list. That's correct what nature correct can create before nature? And that goes back to his original clip that

says we had to be better than nature? Yeah, let's be better to nature. How do you do that by creating what it will create before it creates it. So we can come up with a resolution and that is to humanize Fauci here, and in this point, oh, I have him I have a very hard time I have a very hard time. Well, you know, what I'm saying is, if he's saying he, in good faith, oh, we're trying to beat nature to the punch. So we know how to counter it, that could be a way of humanizing him. But it's

irresponsible, very irresponsible. But it could be couched in a register the road to hell is paved in good intentions. So this is I'm sorry, he's he's part of the 1%. He's a lizard. Well, maybe that's why he feels comfortable around working around Easter eggs. Well mask going into lab and nothing, watch me hold my beer. So let's get to the part two of what could probably go wrong with bioterrorism,

I can't predict you, when the next one will be. Hopefully it won't be for a very, very long time that it will happen. There's no doubt it will happen. So instead of looking at two separate silos of bio defense for biological threats that are deliberate and countermeasures for naturally occurring, he should essentially pull the science so that you could do

both. Well, I think that that where we are right now in science and molecular biology, and particularly molecular virology and our ability to sequence and we combine and create various organisms in some respect, is that the best way to prevent a nefarious act is to create and develop a culture of responsibility among scientists, you, you have to have some restrictions in the sense of you don't do work that could actually hurt people in the sense of if you have a

laboratory accident, you have to have the right containment. Once you start being too restrictive, you then impede creativity for so many of the good things that could come out of the same type of work. So if you develop a culture of responsibility, the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of work on that area will be done for the betterment of mankind, they're always going to be the bad guys around somewhere, someplace, he would hope that they don't have the opportunity to do something that

is going to ultimately hurt mankind. When I say that, I get back to what I mentioned just a moment ago that the chances of nature, creating something really bad is much better than we mere mortal humans doing it. Wow. In short, the only way to stop a bad guy with a virus is a good guy with a virus. Ah, wow, that's a mind bender. That's how he looks in the reason why I try to humanize anybody. Why give everybody the benefit of the doubt. So you

have is that proof? The other thing is if we're trying to reach people that may believe he's acting in good faith, you have to communicate on their level and say, hey, look, he I understand he might was trying to get it from the nature I get it. But that is to stop the fact that they created aids and escaped. You see what I mean? We two things can be true what we always talk about so we both can be true. Oh, absolutely. Right.

So what we want to reach those people that we're trying to communicate with and not get siloed we have to see it the way they see it seek first to understand then to be understood. Okay, I can see how you can see that he was acting in good faith. That still doesn't absolve him from the fact that when you start playing around and playing God, basically what you're doing, um, it can have significant ramifications.

Or, if you and I think that this is probably the case with Bill Gates, and Fauci likely, there's a new book out which I've been reading by the brigands I think it's Peter and ginger brigands till COVID-19 and global predators. We are the prey. And you can totally humanize Fauci because he's hung up on. He's not, he's not necessarily the person who wants to kill everybody. Or he could be a lizard. I'm not ruined now, but he could he could be the lizard that is different kinds of

lizards to I'm sure they got a hierarchy. But my point is that, you know, this, this is this could be so big. This could be just what I've always felt this is a trail that just leads to all these things. And you know, we're we're not really going to do anything with Zika or with Ebola, but I totally I'm so on

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Alright, so now we got to get into how they try to handle the DIS information. This information, quote unquote different this information with their normal tactic. When you hear the term fake news, you probably heard about how it's used often today by President Trump. But it's actually an old term used by the Soviet Union as a reference to disinformation campaigns that the Soviets and now the Russians have long used to destabilize the west. It worked before and it's working

again now. That is the tale told by Operation infection, Russian disinformation from Cold War to Kanye. A riveting three part series released by the New York Times is Adam Westbrook and Adam elec, who joins me in the studio. Now, Adam, great to see you. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. So there's a lot of talk about Russian disinformation, of

course in 2016, even 2018. But this started long before as your film demonstrates, and I want to show a clip from the film that starts with two KGB defectors, who said disinformation had one goal to change the perception of reality for every American to such an extent that despite the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country.

Within the KGB is a department that specializes in planting false stories and forged documents.

We know it was run from department a right at the top of the KGB and it had a multi million dollar budget 2000 People in the Soviet Union and outside of the Soviet Union involved in that kind of actions on regular daily basis 15,000 people creating disinformation stories as seemingly crazy as the US created a Oh, yeah, okay, Russians got Russia's even when it was the Russians man this those guys are so good. Can I interest you is a little bit of Operation infection.

I'd love some operation infection you with a K by the way with okay. Okay, okay. 32 Okay, so to start, let's go back to July 1983. And all the way over here, New Delhi, India. This is when a remarkable story appears in a newspaper called The Patriots. It claims the HIV virus was secretly created by US government scientists as a weapon to kill African Americans and gay people. It even names a facility in Fort Dietrich in Maryland, where the virus was

supposed to have been concocted. It's a crazy allegation printed in a small newspaper. No big deal, right. But fast forward just a couple of years and look what's happening. The story is spreading all over Africa. A scientific reports even published by two East German biologists who say they can prove If AIDS is made in the USA, all these articles from just a few months at the end of 1986. And then somehow, it ends up here.

A Soviet military publication claims the virus that causes AIDS leaked from a US Army laboratory conducting experiments in biological warfare. That's Dan ratha, reading a fake news story to millions of undressing Americans on national TV. But don't be too hard on Dan, this was one of the greatest cons ever carried out on a global scale. And we're going to show you how it was pulled off. Just Just before we continue, I just want to confirm something

you said earlier. That if if anyone with any so called black person, or the majority of so called black people, if they're being honest, when asked, you know without microphones or cameras, AIDS, they would say oh, yeah, everyone knows that was created a lab to kill Black people. That was say, so fishy was going on. I wonder if they would go to extent. But that was right. It looks that way. And they might

not be as adamant is right here. But even this even a non conspiratorial person that watches the news every day. Yeah. Well, this comes on Dan Rather my dad watch Dan Rather every night. Right after the local news and right before a with a fortune, you know, saying like, so if he hears that, what is wrong with you black people, the communists are continuously giving you false information. That's how it seems right? What is wrong with you. looking the other way, though? Well, maybe the Soviets

recognize a weakness that they can exploit. Exploit is not that the weakness doesn't the future doesn't exist in their manufacturing it is they realize that it's the future. They're like what we talked about back in with the communism coming through in the south, with how sharecropping was going on. Well, that and, of course, fast forward to Marxism and BLM.

I mean, it's a lot in between, I mean, even it's a lot if you watch the show the Americans, of course, they had a storyline in there where the Russians was working with a revolution black Americans, revolutionary black Americans back in the early 80s, late 70s. So I mean, this is a running theme. Like I said, that doesn't say the future doesn't exist, and they're manufacturing. It could be that they just realize that that's a weak point, right? Oh, I'm gonna So Dan Rather he's he's pushing

the store. Good old Dan. KGB let the story go quiet for a couple of years after India. But with AIDS still making scary headlines in 85. They revived it this time in a prominent Moscow newspaper, and the source for this story. You guessed it. It's brilliant. Really, they've repeated the story but concealed their hand distancing themselves from the lie they started. So we're now into 1986. And the KGB

wants to add gravitas to this slide. So they look around for a scientist, a human face, someone who could back up the lie with data and no joke. This is the dude they found. This is Dr. Jakob Seagal. Remember I said the report had two authors. Well, here comes the co author. Now it's his wife Nilly. Believe it or not, these two wrote that report that claimed to have evidence AIDS was created in a US government lab

with scientific gobbly gook. And you know, you read this stuff and who can understand it, but it purports to be proof. The thing is, it worked. The KGB made sure the GAO report was read by journalists all over Africa. And they kept on pushing it until it went, well viral. It's appeared in 200 reports in 80 countries, even the Daily Express in London runs with it. And finally for March 30 1987, the KGB hits the jackpot. A Soviet military publication leaked.

But you brought up a great point last year that I mean, last show about the amplification of news and that's kind of on the white. What we're doing now is when we deconstruct it, it's kind of like the same thing that they're using. They're right, they put it in reverse. Oh, yeah. lodo paper, and it works his way up

to the mainstream. Now in reverse, we've reverse engineered it, that when it comes from the mainstream, we reverse engineer and it's disseminated out through smaller outlets like ours. Well also, we are able to use collective memory and that collective memory is YouTube that collective memory is for

better for worse. Google but you know, there's a lot of infrastructure, a lot of in infrastructure, a lot of data being created that we're now starting to learn how to find and not necessarily have to go through all the you know all the beaten paths that have been laid out before us so yeah. And Eric Barron a catch 22 Kid, they can't sanitize their

platforms, because they're a competitor. So it's like let's cover it with all this asinine mind numbing material it's better to do that it's better to just throw all kinds throw everything out and call everything conspiracy. Yeah confused everybody because that's the hard part. You know, I know that I know there are people who are going to email me and say You are crazy curry and here's what they say age doesn't exist curry really desperate they're gonna say not not that I

said that verbatim that way. But yeah, I have big doubts about all of this. And I'm not saying that because something's kidding Oh, my God the same approach not to COVID Stop this killing these people. I mean, we had that happen but Yeah, something's killing them now with Porter as they're as they're saying, Well what what is killing people? Yes. Yeah in okay, I'm not a doctor. So this is this is only my opinion but if you look at truly what AIDS is auto

immunodeficiency syndrome. But this can be caused by many many things. Right? Not everything and I understand what you're saying. Yeah. I completely understand what what really what's killing people know what's really killing people is a sugary drinks, crap food, processed food. Bull crap life. No sunlight, unhappiness SSRIs, Adderall, heroin. Oxy. You know? It's amazing. So many people are still living. They haven't been able to kill us with this damage. Give them a virus.

And it's like, well, the sexual path doesn't work. We gotta go. We gotta go respiratory. We got to go airborne. Yes. You can't even get them like, all they do is they're like bunnies. We have to they can't stop them with this. They won't stop. It's clear what their goal is. Kill us to kill us. I'm glad we agree. 99% Gotta go. Which leaves 1% of lizards this amazing how that math works out. I'm just y'all do the math.

Well, we stopped at 33 Yeah, no, we're already at 35 Last one of the Okay, let's get well let's go and finish up this campaign how to KGB codename they called it operation infection. Well I'm sorry. Some happened with that clip. We went gobbly goo in. Oh, no. No, you're no, no, no. Yeah, it sounded good here. Okay, my fault. Yeah, no worries. We'll hit it again. This campaign has a KGB codename. They called it operation infection. Well, that's a life. Half a lifetime ago, this was handed

out in a demonstration. I was so angry that they accused the United States of creating the AIDS virus because I knew how effective that was going to be as a tool against us. And it angered me, Operation infection, one of the most audacious and successful fake news stories ever created. And for America, the impact was toxic. foreign governments actually believed that the US was

creating this biological warfare agent. For them to think that damages their view of the United States not only as a culture, but it taints all of our policies. It's in the back of their mind every time they discuss anything with us. Now, with so much at stake, you might be wondering what the US response to all this was. Well, we're watching it gasoline and TOS were both parts of something called the active

measures Working Group. Nicknamed true squad. It was a team that tracked and tried to expose Soviet disinformation. Hey, yeah, true squad. Yes. Genesis of all factors. That's right. Truth squad. Oh, man. That's good. And that's good. And as he said, when you're dealing with people Gonna be stuck in the back of your head. So now you see what I was saying at the top of the show. When you come to me and talk to me about matter cool and trust this and trust that it's like, hey, what about eighth?

There was no I saw this. Okay. I'm just scrolling through something here for a second. Uh huh. Someone sent me a link that was that here we go. Oh, this is gonna, this is gonna trip you out. Okay. This is this is we're doing it live everybody. Okay, this is a response from the insect group. Then it was a report written in August 2021. to refute the report examines a newly discovered campaign aimed at discrediting the Pfizer bio and tech COVID-19 vaccine. And so this was commissioned by of

course, Pfizer to go out and it's a professional report. But the true title of this report is operation secondary infection with the K targets Pfizer vaccine, October 2020 2021. Second barrier secondary infection with a K operation secondary infection target. Holy crap. don't realize how big this is. Because operation the original operation infection was was was was the the cover I'll just call it what it is the

cover before the AIDS debacle. Yep. And now they're using operation second infection with a K. Oh, my piece come out from the New York Times. Wow. To refresh you on what the first operation infection was. So when the second one hit? You already been seated. That was a rare no agenda mo facts flow over. If I ever saw it. That was great. That was pretty sexy. Man. Wow. Yeah. It's in the show notes so people can go take a look at it for themselves.

I didn't. But I always try to make the point. If you look backwards, you can see the future. We they do it first. I hope people understand that and this. What this does is it calls this is where distrust and systematic racism and all this stuff comes in it. It's not one person and one thing is this SIOP that we're blanketed with and it's like we don't forget. We do not forget now some people go into formation. Commission. Yeah, yeah, the mass formation that get along, go along and get

along. You know, they're they're not immune to the mind control. But if you live this, you know, every time before a sexual encounter, AIDS popped into your head, yep. Now you know, every single time you breathe or you see a person without a mask that BAM in your head, it's like, like asking somebody to have sex without a condom. Like, are you crazy? Yeah. sex without a condom. Which if you think about it, condoms, D population. Hello? Yeah, I mean,

hello. Babies. Were not born dude. Come nowhere. It's a win win. It's a win win. If you don't use a condom. You die of AIDS. If you use a condom. There's no babies. Yay. Yeah. So now that's going international sign up. I have to bring people to the domestic sign up. Okay, now original super spreader. So we're going to start here, we got to go back to a clip. Well, this is not a clip. But this is a piece I

pulled a clip from, but this is another segment of it. And this is in search of good policy by Don spears, Oprah Winfrey, and all these women have different programs to help enable black females, but who's trying to help black males? And I mean, right now there's 6.6 million people in jail. Most of those people are blackmail. Nobody is really doing anything for them. Essence the essence Music Festival was in New Orleans, the Fourth of July weekend. Town Georgia said

it looked like 60 Women for everyone man. I was there. That's what it looked like. And it was insane to see that many women and no man. So where was the man there was a clear signal being sent because men are like like a shark with blood in the water, if there are women there, the men are gonna be there. But for some reason the women were there, but the men were not. And even the women who were there, they pulled out their money, credit cards, bought what they wanted smile with their

girlfriends and went on about the business. I know of neighborhoods now where you have most of the people on houses on the block of black females. No man they have their own houses, they own credit cards they own BMW. The only thing any a man for sex and many of them have boy toys. They can pick up the phone do a terribly milling you know get back on and then send him about his way and there's still no connection No, you lost that was a hard right?

No, I'm with you that let me this is not this is not news to me because of our work together. But yeah, lay it on. Stella How Stella Got Her Groove Back. So that was about a woman going out to Jamaica. And she gets what a boy toy a young boy toy and may fall happy in love. Well, that was based off a terror McMillan's real life. But in met how it plays out, it comes to find out they're her who she got her groove back,

which happens to be a gay man. And that birth the term down low brother, which was the original super spreader. Oh, that's me doing sound effects. So how this plays Stop, stop. White Man catching up slow. So on the download is a derivative of all that. Yes. Little do they know. Now download and spying for people download it. That's a heterosexual now it's the gay man or bisexual man living undercover dating women and we'd love to her knowledge that he's

gay. Which that's how you explain the numbers of gay men being high for AIDS. Black women being high for AIDS, but not that heterosexual man. What it did was it caused us made which we haven't conquered yet. And was that was the addition was a great download boy and he said well you said download boy download brother. Oh, download brother. Sorry, undercover brothers. Didn't mean to bring

the boy word. Oh no. But so that that was the term super spreader actually used in connection with with a download brother. Right because that's how it jumped from the homosexual community into the heterosexual community. Wow, you follow me? I'm with you. Course so it's so I mean, I'm just I'm just making me I'm It was a hard right so I want to make sure everybody else's follow along too. So they did this ruse I think of her going through this humiliation ritual with her being terrible

at Macmillan or Oprah Show. They bring this clearly gay man which I say that loosely. You're saying because you have a feminine man. What's your heterosexual but I'm a made for TV gay man. Right? They bring him out here she goes through this humiliation ritual. And what it does is start to embed this belief that sneakers if you're openly gay, you're not a problem. He's they're saying so that ruled out offending gay men. Oh, this was a this was an attack on all black men.

No, not all black men. Because if you're gay, you're good. Because you know, I mean, if you're out, but if you're not out, then you're automatically considered to be a possible super spreader. You're super spreader. Oh, that's evil. which to this day, you hear people say, Oh, he's undercover brother. Oh, he because that's kind of a worst of both worlds.

Because one, you're not living in your truth. And then you're bringing over the high potential because I say in some southern states, across America, one out of every two gay men have HIV AIDS. I'm lumping those together. But you know, for sake of saying you know, so yeah, that's how it jumped. That's that's the explanation for the jump on this gay community to the black woman community got so now we're gonna go 37 And watch this ruse play out.

When I entered 25 remarkable women who paved the way for me and countless others at my legends ball back in 2005. I asked Terry to be there because she too is a young legend. I've looked up to her as a mentor, Sister friend and respected her work and we continue to respect her work. And I was really surprised that she was in this situation actually. Did you feel obviously betrayed? Yes, yeah, it is betrayal. Yeah. And deception. Yeah. Yes. Do you feel like you missed signs that were there?

No, because I'd never been betrayed this way before. I've never been with a man that I knew was cheating period. And think was, was he cheating? Because he told you this. He was cheating. You think he's gonna tell the truth? I don't know. They lie about that. But you said that he said at the time that he had never acted on it. But you didn't believe that, obviously. Okay, I said, That's like saying you're an alcoholic and you haven't had a drink? Uh huh. What does he do? He had an

epiphany in his sleep. Yeah. This is the thing about this show. This is the thing. I've known Terry McMillan through her work, and her art and her talent and her books. And I was surprised that she number one wanted to come on TV and talk about this. You were surprised? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow. Gee. And just for people that don't may not know Stella Got Her Groove Back. She also pinned Waiting to Exhale, which is a mean factory car that lightened a woman lightly cigarette and

setting the car on fire and walking away. This accident, all our memories. This is the author of that book, which it also has a bra has a character in there that I forget her name. She always plays everybody in mama in black movies. But she's married to a gay man when she had a child by a gay man, and he goes off and leaves her with an adult son. Wow. This is it. And there's Oprah again, you know, Oprah bringing it to the masses. I told you is domestic rollout. International sciart rollout,

the domestic rollout here. The original super spreader. So let's go and get into 38. Okay, Jonathan, went out. Let us meet you. I was even more surprised that Jonathan wanted to come on TV and talk about it. This is your chance to say to the world. Were you lying to Terry about your sexuality? All those six years? No, I wasn't lying about my sexuality. You were not lying.

I wasn't. So first of all, it's pretty apparent to me. And I think a lot of other people when they see Jonathan, that you know something else was going on there. But I think that somewhere inside her self, if she were absolutely honest. She knew something was off. Even if she couldn't say that. He's gay. She knew something wasn't right. Because to speak about and future lessons here. You always get that little feeling. I call it a whisper and the Whisper is exactly that. It feels like

something's off. And then you allow yourself to tell yourself that it's something else or that it isn't what you actually

really think it is. You don't use your own instinct, your own intuition and allow yourself to be put in a position that you later have to suffer the consequences and then get angry this goes back to prove your point what you were saying before imagine her standing about a white gay person or a lesbian like oh you know they look like they're a gay you know something about them? Something's not right. Something's Something's off. Imagine her saying that about anybody else. Rather than a

black man. It will be it will be a scandal. I mean a scandal but for a black man. Oh, yeah. He like he was gay. You could tell it's a whisper Oh, yeah. It's like saying this played out in the early mid 90s. And this download it's except into the vernacular. Oh massively it's it's has incredibly interesting. I do know millennial like yeah, millennial women 2526. Who really hang out with a lot of gay guys too. Because they don't like the masculinity. See? That's how far it's gone now.

Because they don't like masculinity. They don't like it and I think download bro i I think is, is still a real thing. It just like I say, is the first attack mags mechanism of anybody you know, or you're gay or you're gay. He's gay. And it's a it's a fascinating phenomenon that somebody can call a black man gay as an attack, but also say they stand to defend a black man sexuality. Oh, it's a dress that totally messed up. But it's, it's weird. It's weird that you know, at the same time,

that could be an attack. Yeah, say that men and men with the same time you say you stand with the, you know, the LGBT cavity is crazy. And it's very crazy. Let's go and continue on. And the reason why I said it's the ruse, you were here and next to clips listeners to part one. Okay. Now, there's another part of this story that my producers told me that while they were at your house, Terry the other day, a huge bouquet of flowers arrived. That's what I was told

by the producer who was there. And they were from Jonathan. Correct. Who had spent the night? Correct. He had stayed over, but he didn't spend the night. He's gay. Okay, nothing happened. Basically, nothing happened. But I heard there was some cuddling and bathing and stuff going on. That's what I heard when you want to know what what we have a really big bathtub. I was on my side. And she was on her side. And the thing is that Java see me with my clothes off for 10 years. Yeah.

Okay. And I know he doesn't have a tub where he is. Yeah. And it was sort of like closure. It's not like we came in what we lost Where is never going to happen again. It was just kind of closure, as she said. Oh, sure. Are you? Are you on now? I'm French. Yeah. I won't be like fine. Yeah, we're getting there. But yeah, exactly. It's

gonna be weird. We're not gonna be weird, is we're just taking our time, you know, taking your time to do what not to kind of like thing is what to kind of like, what kind of like we acquaint ourselves with my new lifestyle. And, you know, for her accepting me for who I am, basically. And that was laughter back then too. Interesting. Now, they Kiki and he said he's gay. Could you imagine the audience going off and laughs they're gay? No. But at the same

time, she knew what he was, but she was it was a boy toy. Nah, spirits like that out. It's like, hey, I'll pay you. You can go out and do your thing kind of thing. As long as you take care of me, it's called Sexual survivor. We talked about this a

long time ago. And it goes both ways. You have said heterosexual man and participate in homosexual activities to survive and then you have homosexual men that participate in heterosexual activities to survive Yep, so that's what that's what's going on I could say but this is someone there's something about Oprah that I've always thought was off something's not right. Something's not right about her.

rabbit hole goes so deep. I don't have a rope to pull it out, but you got to break her off in pieces like cuz did she her thumb is on the pulse. Here right? Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The age rollout. Magic Johnson which we didn't talk about his whole nother a whole nother part. But that's why they need to download brother because they couldn't say see magic didn't bring it home the cookie. Right. So they had to have an explanation of how was jumping the you know, the barrier? If

everybody straight? What was the explanation against the destination for magic? No, what? Well, you know, it's it's she got lucky, basically. But they stay married, which Yeah, I guess that's how you don't get another show another show? Yeah, I got another show. So let's go ahead and wrap it up with Terry McMillan and her ex husband. I've already accepted you for who you are. On a different level. Yeah, but you're not gonna be we're not gonna be kicking it.

I know that we're not but I don't I don't want to kick it with you. I don't don't I'm not taking the wrong way. I'm not okay. You're frustrated Are you? The thing is I'm telling my side excuses frustrated Wait, bring telling everybody mice? It's a two way thing you know that sometimes she's always that always dominated the conversations with us. Right. Do you feel that you Were just when you were repressing your homosexuality. I was, well, you live in a lie. But you know why?

And I And let me just say this Think before you answer this question, right? Because there are a lot of young boys and girls who are watching you and who need the truth who need just the truth. And every time somebody tells the truth, you free other people to also be truthful and so there's no

reason at this point to pretend anything. So the fact that you're sitting here and the fact that you all now are on their way to whatever it is y'all on your way to at least for every other gay guy out there who's repressing and his feelings and you know, at least honor who you are now honor that I am honored Terry, give me credit. RNA my lifestyle, okay, it's not hard letting everybody know about your sexuality, especially being gay. I live the lifestyle of a heterosexual with

her. I loved her. Uh huh. unconditionally, up until the point of years at end I mean two years before the end before before we ended mass master rollout of the original super spreader right there wow okay, steel goes on to this day steel goes in that term.

super spreader or spreader I mean, download that's that's the equivalent like that's the equivalent to super spread that's how that virus got into the heterosexual woman black woman pool now it's not exclusively So black is right so he's patient zero of the of the crossover. Yes. Wow. And like I said, but it's only heterosexual men because if you're openly gay a whole nother whole nother

problem. No problem is no problem. No problem. Because on the hierarchy they rent they outrank yes that women ah so in in five clippies remember Oprah says there's whispers Yes. Always something nice. A lot of women have close friends very few have friends as close as you describe that friendship to me. Oh, okay she is the mother I never had she is the sister everybody would want she is the friend that everybody deserves I don't know a better person I don't know. A better person.

Why is it making you cry? She wasn't gonna cry here. It's making me cry because I'm thinking about how much I probably have never told her that. Tissue please. Anatomy tissue. I've never told her that. So when those to me dumb rumors come up. Then you are gay. A gay? What do you say? Well, I have said we are not gay. enough times. I'm not lesbian. I'm not even kind of lesbian. And the reason why it irritates me is because it means that somebody must think I'm

lying. That's number one. Number two. Why would you want to hide it? That is that is not the way I run my life. Ah, where would she be on the hierarchy if she was lesbian if she came out? Oh, she would be well I don't know the goat is long afterwards okay to come out. Hmm, that's a tough one. But she will be Oh, she will be over a gay man. Because she has two checks being a woman and yes of course black with three checks three checks. This is straight to rare triple.

Right. Off the top her is a maybe a trans black man. Or if Oprah decided to become a man. Oh, she she did that. She reached the pinnacle of putting a cherry on all this to bring search circle phone calls. Reverend Wright's church, allegedly was also set up to Pair of people that were interested in same sex with opposite sex. Uh oh, really? Yes. That's why Obama was allegedly going to that church, right. Oh, man. You mean Barry just to break

excuse me, Barry. I just bring that full circle but that's that's, oh man, my mess. This is not a COVID show. It's not but it's also it's not a show. This show doesn't really end here. Nor does it. Not it does not have a camera in here because there's so much that you've uncovered. I really appreciate the helping me understand how this how AIDS

still. The SIOP still lives in the minds. Hmm. And of course, how that affects everything that's happening right now and how pathetic all these efforts are that, you know, the media efforts to try and you know, remove vaccine hesitancy This is not hesitancy This is a baked in like valid fear. And recent, like you said with giggy that was decades ago, right? I mean, what's it Stella Got Her Groove Back? Everybody knows that's pretty recent, you know?

Right. So this is something I lived through. I didn't live through Teskey right. I didn't live through Henrietta Lacks, I lived through this. And my peers lived through this. So just want to say that so most thank you for this one. This is this I'm real proud of this work, man. This is gonna this is good. This is real. This is something that goes far beyond anything I could have

imagined me achieving in this podcast. People will want to listen to this they'll want to share because it's kind of the trifecta. And it sets you up for understanding a lot of the forces in this world and the lizard people and it lives with people and as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth reveal itself and we will be back with you on the Lost Tapes Wednesday Moby there for that of course go to more facts.com and episode

number 70 Come up on the next show. Have a good one mo thank you so much man. RC MCs See also our turn up girls you you know they're not always here to be and to happen what happened to me that can describe what I failed I found out the man I loved another guy we were at a party couldn't believe he was breathing and French kissing he would go camping and fishing never crossed my man and he was not now me that you were gay when you knew you knew around

you He is what he had to say. I knew I had those feelings and I didn't want it to be CFO. Girl I thought it would change me came she says I'm sorry.