67: Q-Hopium

It's Moe Factz with Adam Curry for September 29 2021 it's Episode Number 67 I'm Adam Curry here in the hearts of Texas Hill Country my friend on the other end somewhere in Northern Virginia ladies and gentlemen Mr. Moe facts I don't have them great mo How are you?

I'm doing well we have new gear today so bear with me if I have no idea how everything's gonna go just trying to make it all work we're growing and growing yeah we're trying to be better every single day doing everything we can I'm good to hear it man How's that? How's the 14 day period been? I missed your live so tell me how that's all the labs are great um, if you're not here in the lives

then you are missing a large component of the show. Yeah, I will say that I saw the I saw the announcement which you had a cool was secondary line to it there What was it? Tell me what it said. Oh, it's the internet's the interactive newsletter get those interactive newsletter or something the last tapes? Was it the lost tapes or saw that's the name that's the name of it. That's the name of the product. The last tape yo we go over the clips that don't make

the show we go over visual aids don't make the show. He was the the Obama pics gate. Yes, we have people sending lost screenshots and things of that nature. So if you're missing the last tapes, which is the interactive newsletter that complements the show so well. So yeah, check it out on YouTube. And when for I think moving forward, we're going to first drop it on YouTube. Is that the idea?

That's the plan. What we want to do is have it every Wednesday at eight o'clock, you get something new from the show, whether it's a new episode, our FSA, kiss the episode of lost tapes, which is like this laugh. So every single Wednesday, there's basically something going on. Something's going on eight o'clock. pm, Eastern Standard, beautiful. Alright, everybody, it's episode number 67. Let's see. We'll get to the topic for today. Spin that wheel

of topics round and round. It goes where it stops. Nobody knows. Mofaz knows, of course, because he put it together. The topic for Episode Number 67 is the extremist ideology of Q anon has captured the minds and imaginations of 10s of millions of Americans. Okay, conspiracy. Gotta love it. Or is it? Yeah. Well, that's kind of, it's what I read the other day, it was a great line, someone said, it's not a conspiracy. It's an actual criminal conspiracy. I love stuff like that. I love it.

So what we're going to do is talk about the effects of q1 on other misleading or misguiding efforts to take people into binary thinking. So that's gonna be the theme of the show is binary thinking how harmful it is, um, yeah, I was reading something the other day was, is it a conspiracy theory? Or is that an actual criminal conspiracy? So what we're going to look at is the effects of binary

thinking and the harmful effects of binary thinking. And we're going to look at through the lens of Q anon, and other alleged government inspired honeypots I guess you would call it or effort. All right. So that could be against that could be an 18 hour show? I think it could, but for the listeners, for the producers. So what I want to do is get into this new york times opinion about why we shouldn't call it the Capitol, right? writers terrorist witness yesterday was not dissent. They weren't

protesters. They were a riotous mob, insurrection, domestic terrorists. We don't have a domestic terrorism law. We don't have any of the tools to battle domestic terrorism. I think it's time that we had a domestic terrorism statute, that people who thought the Capitol definitely needs to face consequences. They're filled with hate. But we should not call them terrorists and we should not pass you anti

terrorism laws. Funny. In 2005, I was 16 years old, my apartment was raided by the NYPD Terrorism Task Force, FBI they came, rip the blankets off my head. My father and I were detained and put in handcuffs the government suspected me of being a potential suicide bomber. Oh, I was trying to avoid my emotions, depression, fear, anger. I didn't do anything wrong, and I was still treated as a criminal. I was honestly just a 16 year old, typical six year old, my grades are great. My friends

were awesome. I was in a boy band. I've heard so many stories I've read so many stories about this is insane. So this is our ma ba. And as she stated she was 16 years old when they stormed her family's Harlem apartment, which that's going to be an important part in this show. Just keep dispel that word away. But even she was a victim of a lesbian alleged terrorists. She wants to empathize and not call these people, humanizing. She's human well, and then she ought Well, it's kind of self

of, you know, it's, she's doing a bit for herself. Because, yeah, rice is only um, she said that war on terror will only backfire on innocent black and brown people, which I can't disagree with her. But it's a true, it's like one of the things two things can be true. We shouldn't call people terrorists, because when you start pointing the finger at one group, like I said, they're going to come in and make everybody get hit on with that label. So that's one of the premises of the show.

Well, also, the definition of terrorism has some very specific elements, you know, get it for you. Was it political gain? Yeah, I think it has to be. Yeah, it's the key key part is for political gain. So um, yeah. So I thought we'll open up with this. I will want to go back and maybe go through some things that happened around 911 because that's what's similar to what's going on now how we're doing whole swaps or groups as alleged terrorists, yes. And how it

backfires on people? Um, any any questions or well, very, very loaded there. Well, it probably as we go along, let's let's see, let's see where we where we wind up as a teaser. We'll get into one of your favorite warehouses the six week cycle so. So I guess we'll go ahead and jump into clip number three. When I hear people say when you fix ban on one terror, or we need to make new laws, it's an insult to me, because for some reason, they found the laws to detain me and accuse me of

terrorism. And these people essentially passed the most secured building in the country. Just fine. History shows that have an anti terrorism laws just affect people like myself, Timothy McVeigh, and Terry Nichols, former Army buddies with a grudge against the government plan the bombing, after the Oklahoma City bombing, President Clinton passed the law given the FBI more power to go after terrorists. The law didn't go after people that look like the Oklahoma City bomber.

From now on, we can quickly expel foreigners dare to come to America and support terrorist activities. The same thing happened with the Columbine shooter, mass shootings at school were mostly done by white male. But after the shooting, police presence increase in black and brown

schools. I want to call these white supremacists has done the capital terrorists, but calling them terrorists just gives law enforcement and other elected officials the ammunition to call peaceful protesters, terrorists, people that look like me who are brown, Muslim, black, those are the ones who are going to actually be punished. We don't need new laws to fill with white terrorists. The laws are there. Whether you want to apply to certain people or not.

This is the same young lady. Yes. And how old is she? She's 16? No, she was 16 when they raided her when they did the raid. Right. I think she's maybe in her mid 20s. Now. Okay, still? Yeah, I know a lot of mid 20s who don't talk that to intelligently about these things. Right? Well, I did a poor setup on the show. So let me rewind back. Like what is he talking about the Q anon and, okay. There was a recent news that came about with who was in the crowd at the January

6, yes, yeah. Yes. And reported it. That's why I use the clip from New York. Time to set this up. Yes. And to repeat on September 18. Recently, that of course, exactly right. So those were those two occurrences. That was the genesis for the show to lay it out. And I've been saying this, what she stated was, when you start pointing the finger around, it's gonna get, it's gonna blow back on everybody, and they're gonna be able to

blame it. Um, blame everybody with that label. And what people may not know is when they hit you with that label, a lot of your rights go away. And how that works. Yeah, yeah, so that's, that's why it's a big pet peeve of mine when people throw that word around. Yeah, um, so loosely. So what we got to do now is, we got to go back to show 31. And I believe that was bi E. Bay. And we this is a vise clip, and it's talking about the black identity extremist.

On August 3 2017, the FBI created the black identity extremists assessment using the Dallas 2016 shooting, and five other unrelated attacks on police as justification that this movement exists. Black identity extremists are now considered a domestic terror threat by the FBI. According to the FBI assessment, it was very likely that these terrorists would target law enforcement officers in retaliation for perceived police violence against African

Americans. Definitely to the assessment classifying the group as a domestic terror organization, the FBI is able to justify any invasive surveillance tactics used in monitoring these targeted individuals.

Yeah, this actually goes back I do need to mention this this goes back to post 911 actually, I think this happened yeah, during President Obama's time in office, a National Defense Authorization Act came out and there was this whole definition of it was it was domestic it wasn't domestic terrorists, but it was they had all kinds of weird terms and it's really easy to call anybody that and that meant that they could roast you know, black black bag and take it to Guantanamo even if they want to

or surveil you any kind of manner manners that kind of circumvent your rights. And what I find most dangerous is the label of conspiracy theories you know kind of gets you on that list which I've always identified myself as a conspiracy analyst Yes, I don't create a theory for anybody out there listening I just only analyze them that's right um, we

were very dangerous times. I don't want to be alarmist but now let's just stop Of course just I mean I get every day 15 emails from people who because of their government to have to leave their job you know that by itself forget calling someone a domestic terrorist. That's the power that is now on the table. It's out of control.

It definitely is and I can always say it starts with us so no one stood up and when they was the one that's labor around now I have some questions about this a gorilla mainframe the name of it how vice covered it just in the way this whole piece was set up by Vice I found it troubling and please go listen this episode 31 it was some fascinating things on there about the the shooters that expired this label down in Baton Rouge Baton Rouge in Dallas with gang stalking and those kinds of

things um, it is the only thing I can say is this is surreal I don't think we felt like this and not 11 because it was an earthen dam kind of thing you know it was like do what you need to do and no it's partly to blame now it's us us and our neighbor and what it's could be anybody that's I think that's the point I mean I I've become very cynical now. I just think oh this has got to be purposeful This is not a mistake anymore. Yeah. And as you said people are losing their jobs every day and

will that inspire people to take action? I don't want to put that out in the universe but just it definitely can be some weird things are happening I'm looking at Tennessee I'm still do my homework on that one, but it's some definite raw material they can use the lock down even more own question authority. And and I have a real issue with that because I've been following this for a long time. So let's go and get to that second throwback clip from this piece, and we'll move along with the show.

There's this perception that the government promotes that we are in a stage of critical emergency because of terrorism and Because they get more power, and in order to retain that power they need to find more terrorists. One of the most outspoken critics of the black identity extremists assessment is Michael German, a former FBI agent who did undercover work on white supremacists and right wing militias in the 90s. He's now a fellow for the Brennan Center

for Justice. What incentive? Do you believe that the FBI has to make a label like black identity extremists, a person cannot be targeted for investigation based solely on first amendment activity. So by creating this black identity extremism movement, they can use that as the justification to then target any activists who were any black person who was protesting police violence. One of my problems with this kind of intelligence report is these are six disparate acts of violence,

that they try to mold into a movement. there was really nothing connecting them except the fact that they killed police officers in the fact that they were black. First of all, I'm always surprised how I don't even remember some clips when you go back. 30 episodes like wow, okay. A lot of them. I do remember this one, I remember. Yeah, so that was it. It's just you, we can't just do that if

you're just a single person. But now if we can connect you to a group and give you a name, now you're talking now now we're cooking and then the scary part about it, because in our connected world, um, social media and whatnot, they might look at your fault. I mean, I have a habit of following everybody back that follows me. And could that possibly be an issue down the road like all he was followed by so and so so and so let's throw him on a list. Like I said, I

find it very troubling. But this is nothing new to me. I'm previous to your show. Okay. When I used to listen, when I first listened, no agenda now. Now we can discuss the six week cycle. Okay, yes, we use when we use, Bert, you and john first started talking about that. It was not when you first start talking about when I first heard about it. I was like, Oh, yeah, that's like the Newburgh thing. Right. Have you ever heard of the Newburgh thing? No, I don't think so. What is it? Oh, well.

It's gonna be a perfect example what the six week cycle is, it was an HBO documentary on homegrown terrorist. So I saw this may be 2000. And I want to say 2000 single digits. I can't remember the year exactly when I saw it. But I was like, it blew it blew my mind because I was like, wow, like, I mean, you. We know these things. We know she'll, she'll explain that the six week cycle real quickly, please. Yes.

So the six week cycle was told to was conveyed to me by someone, let's just say intimate with the, with the FBI, certainly with the Dallas Bureau. And the the basic concept is, the FBI for quite a while, every six weeks had to have some kind of event taking place to justify their entire means for existence. And that is, it appears that's a lot of what they do. And if you read the affidavits, every single

time there's some bozo who want to blow something up. It turns out that the FBI was talking to this person, either through a confidential informant or themselves for a year setting them up, you know, egging them on text messaging, oh, you know, wouldn't you want to blow something up, and then they help them out, get weaponry, and then they give them the van and they put help them put the stuff in the truck, and they give him a bogus remote control and doesn't work and they arrest him, and

then they've saved the day. And then six weeks from now, rinse, repeat, and do it all over again. And that is the case with so many of the FBI, big announcements. It's like, What are you talking about? You guys totally set that up. And let's humanize the FBI right quick. So, okay, that's hard. That's hard. That's hard. Okay. There's no reason why I'm saying they say they're acting in good faith. We say, well, we have a gut feeling that these people

are bad. So before they do something bad, let's be proactive now and walk them into a trap. I still don't agree with that. Because as we said in The Cosby Show, if you violate someone's rights, even if it's beneficial to me, that's not a win. Oh, no, no, I mean, it's disgusting, because instead what they should be doing is saying, hey, son, you seem a little radicalized. You know, cut that shit out. Maybe you should talk to somebody, we've got our eye on you. Instead, they absolutely

egg them on. It's one of the most disgusting things and no one ever discusses it. I guess mainstream never looked at the affidavits. I mean, it's all there. We'll get your barf bag and going all right. Welcome back. A new documentary premiered on HBO this week

called the Newburgh sting. Now it focuses on the FBI investigation and conviction of four men from Newburgh, New York for plotting an act of domestic terrorism but was this thing really a setup and were the men more guilty of simple greed and idiocy than actual terrorism? Now I spoke with CO director

David heilbroner about his findings. I remember covering this story at the time and I remember what seemed to be an endless amount of squad cars, the SWAT teams the aerial footage and at the time, it was Exhibit A and busting up a terror ring and no politician within an area code couldn't afford to get in front of the cameras to talk about how they just busted up an imminent threat at the time but the more you read into it I remember at the time you starting to say

yourself Wait a second. What is the game that could shoot straight now you look at it exactly. Wait a minute what those the guys who couldn't do anything? Yeah. So when I heard you first mentioned this on the show, yeah. This is what popped into my head and new Berg's thing and it was right exactly so even more to the no agenda show but

it's what we see now. A lot of those people at one six I know people I know right now people are rolling their eyes like why is he trying to humanize because it's gonna happen to both sides these things don't happen in a vacuum is gonna happen we saw Black Eyed bi E's came first. Now is why identity extremists deviant deviant What does that stand for? domestic violent extremist. Okay, so as a Friday just go out and go all out for the white army but that will probably be

well it'll be it's just it's implied now. DVE is implied to be white. That's interesting. I didn't go out for full hog on that one. I'm not yet there's always there's always this time left I'm sure. Well, domestic opens up I mean, domestic opens up to any nationalists. Yeah. So I mean, no matter no matter of race. Um, so I guess that's why they went that route, but soon there's gonna be medical extremists. Us and there's gonna be no religious extremists. Those kinds of things. So

well, we already have anti vaxxers. Which, yeah, sure. There's some real people who are absolutely anti vaxxers. But people who just don't want this vaccination doesn't mean they're anti Vax. But that's, I mean, our president is saying that our Vice President is saying that it's the same it's the same thing, it's just as bad. And it's two problems I have with that one. It's not a

vaccine. So every time we say that, it it irks me, too. I can't be anti vaccine if my kids got their school that's two shots. So I mean that that in itself is a problem right? Three well I said two things but the third one is your your natural immunity. Exactly. If I have natural immunity, that it made me any vaccine that just thinks my body is superior to something or something that drug company can give me but I don't want to get on a tangent but I'm just saying this is a very dangerous

slope is except the group thing. Or you know, get ran over but let me get to my issue of binary thinking before we continue on okay. I think this is how they programmed society. You're a computer whiz um, you program computers with ones and zeros? Yeah. They need people own binary Are you pro there sir? anti this you know if that's it, there's no nuance there's no room for any Yeah, it's Black Widow grants black, white, red, blue, pro anti right,

that their programming society. And to do that you they can't have you come and have a nuanced conversation, because that gets into fuzzy logic. Yeah, no haves no have Z's or anything like that. You can't do that. No decimal points. Of course not. Because you know why? And when we're gonna go, we're gonna go there early today. If you're trying to automate everything, computers can't handle that AI can't handle that. They need you to be binary so they can replace you.

I'm gonna say that again. Yeah, roll that by me one more time. They need you to be binaries so they can replace you. I computer struggles with nuance. That's why AI is so far behind the human mind. It's because the human mind can look at something and see shades of gray. They need us to be ones and zeros. So that that point will become this is this is when we merge with machines. When we lose that ability logic, let me just know a little bit of conspiracy therapy on both of us

here. Okay. Have you seen the Spartacus letter? No, I haven't. The Spartacus letter went out yesterday. It's a PDF. I think the PDF is already deleted from the Google Drive or whatever. But it's posted everywhere. And it's a group of people and they lay out and there's like, We're a group, you know, we're doctors, all this stuff. I think they're also clearly lawyers. And you just call a Spartacus and we're so sick and tired of

this. And they in this whole thing runs down everything about the flu, about the lab, but but really detailed, and I know enough about the the non technical medical stuff, and I've read enough of the medical stuff that you know, it's obviously serious, and you know, I can only debunk what I know, but at a certain point, they talk about the gain of function research, because actually, this paper says the vaccine and the virus were created by the same people. And the Peter it was eco

Health Alliance, or whatever, Peter datsik. And they hired some other mofos. Bottom line is that guy who was responsible for a large part of the mRNA vaccine for Madonna or bio and tech, he, he is deeply involved with another company, which is literally interfacing wire electrodes onto the brain, the same stuff Ilan Musk is doing only I think these guys are actually a little bit further,

right. So instead of stepping up their technology they dumbed down to human to binary decisions or or prepared prepared the human with an interface. I mean, if it's true, some of the stuff I've been reading, if any of that is true, like the graphene oxide, I mean, it sounds like a huge conspiracy theory, everybody. But you know, you know what, if you want to merge a human brain computer, it's only two choices, the way they communicate with each other. Well, I know,

hold on, unless it's quantum. If it's quantum that changes, but that's neither here nor there. Your point is binary is easier. It's easy to make people dumber. smarter. That's what they're banking on. It's like, Oh, yeah, you're saying it's dumbed down the human brain to binary ones and zeros. And then when we merge them with computers, or I mean, we're not what I'm saying merging with computers. That's even nudging I'm not even I'm not even talking to the to the whole

transhumanism thing yet. I'm just saying when you want to control society, is making notice the things that give us Do you watch the back of your dish? Or no? Do you know do you wash your legs? Or no, I mean, local news is full of these Yes. And no poll questions, right? That, you know, that are programming us to thinking yes or no circumstances and not like, Well, let me let me think about it for a minute. Well, it can be nuanced that conversate No, no, they don't want that.

But we'll be here for all night, if that's what this is. This is the premise of this show, is to combat against binary thinking, and we're going somewhere. But let's get back to the new birth thing to now you look at it in this film, and I want to play the first clip about what the original intentions of the group were. And then you can give us some context on if this clip is again from some of the participants early on in the process, and

just how far they were willing to go at that point. Let's play the first clip. David Williams comes in. And Shahad Hussain says, Let's go to the airport at Stewart Air Force Base. So they drive up to the airport and they look at the planes stood Air Force Base is the base that sends your National Guard and National Guard troops at the time over to Iraq and Afghanistan. And Shahad Hussein says we should blow up one of these. How do you blow up one of these? Well, I can get you a message help

us out give a little context. The informant that we're tying Mr. sain here, he went out of his way to recruit these guys give an idea if you could for our audience where he found them and how this quickly began an idea of Alright, let's try and destroy property into obviously what we saw on that arrest of may 2009. sure of it. Let me set the scene right off the bat, which is this took place in the town of Newburgh, New York, and I don't know how many of your viewers know Newberg, but it's an

impoverished town. Probably 30% unemployment. Most of the houses are boarded up. It's someone once referred to as Camden, New Jersey on the Hudson. And into this destitute community comes a man who's on the FBI payroll, who's on the lam. He himself is on the lam from committing fraud at a DMV office in Albany, and the FBI says to him if you can bring us terrorists. Yeah, we'll pay you and if you can get convictions, we'll give you a bonus.

Oh, there you go. This guy man. This guy's a great this bring it bring them on in you can refer a friend to terrorism and you get 50 bucks I mean what a bargain but reason why I'm bringing people like why are you going back because we all were victim to this around 911 it's like go kill brown people yeah they crashed our buildings no I mean nobody stood up because we were given a binary decision right either if you question you're not a

patriot that was the key thing that you're not a patriot you're not a patriot right you know and you people were scared to even like why are we in Iraq if all you're you're not a patriot? Are

you one of them? And that's we were there and everybody got caught up in nobody and when I say everybody I mean the people that had a voice to stand up um you saw all the you know, yeah, that's when the jet started flying over football stadiums and Oh yeah, we became this militaristic you know juggernaut well we kind of already who were a militaristic juggernaut but oh yeah and but it was also I've been around long enough that's that's how America tries to heal and and I think that was the

last time that will ever ever work and it didn't really work that long either you know there's so much coming out people remember the all the lies and it's in an odd way you know yeah it's good because we have to recognize what the truth is but you know it's so uniquely American The bombs bursting in air the jets flying by you know salute our troops it's it's that's the that's the psychosis of our culture well we didn't have a we didn't have a real enemy then though

that's what I'm what are we try No no no we're happy yeah we were still still vibing on World War Two I mean let's let's not let's overlook Vietnam etc let's not take a look at anything that happened there Korean War yeah cuz that was that was not a voluntary war for a lot of people to fall in so that's that's why it's kind of I mean that's kind of tainted Vietnam warriors for you know America we also we also didn't win anything we sucked everybody

lost in that the world war two at least we could claim victory and you know, we save the world and you know, Hey, no problem world. We're cool is we're America. And then the first day the storm was over so fast. Um, yeah. We had to create like the, like the generals for the Harlem Globetrotters. Right. You know, okay. Yeah, that's what happened. And we all got caught up in it. Seriously in this, remember the yellow ribbons and those kind of things, and it's,

and there's nothing against the truth. And that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is we got caught up in revenge, and somebody had to pay and somebody had to be to blame that when things like the Newberg thing happened. Nobody questioned it. Um, it was Oh, yeah, they're all Mandy right at home. They're right there right next door. Yeah, you know, I'll get Give, give her apparatus more money. And we're more power. And now what I'm saying is, I'm drawing a parallel to what's going on

now. Will you look at what happened January 6. Trust me, it's, it's a it's a threat to be worried about, and they weren't in there that day. I'm just gonna say it like, Oh, absolutely. I mean, the I don't know if I'm moving ahead of anything. But now the leader of the oathkeepers. He's not even named in any indictment. He's just person number one, even though he clearly should be indicted along with everybody

else under the same, you know, equal, equal handling. And he's not, you know, and the FBI is even as far as I know, I've even admitted that. Well, you know, there was at least 12, maybe more. We're not going to prosecute anybody over there from that group, just in case, you know, turns out bad that it was FBI and yeah, there's all kinds of this. There's a lot of circumstantial and video evidence of the FBI being Anjouan provocateurs, and this wouldn't have been a show, but I think you said a

September 18 I don't remember the date. The one that happened recently. Yeah, yeah. That means immediate frustration with the show up with me got to the point is like he got to the point where, oh, y'all are scared, huh? Yeah, y'all are scared. Oh, yeah. No, like, you know how you bully try to provoke you. It's like, Oh, yeah, you're scared to come out of your house, you know, that kind of thing. So they were the media was really

aggravated that nobody showed up. And the one guy that got arrested, was he had a gun in his back. Did you see the picture of like those five guys standing around all dressed identical, same hair. You know, obvious bulge in their pants where they got a small Glock, who told him total left his same watches Oh, Okay boys. And we've seen the same thing in Afghanistan I saw a picture that with, it was like three guys walking in like one guy had

perfect trigger or winch control. And like, the new Taliban Yeah, the new Taliban is all indexing properly. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's the new guys. They know how to do it all of a sudden, you know, it's it's didn't take much training, they just figured it out. Good to go. So I'm just saying we're seeing all this but I think that people are wising up to it. And it's frustrating the media because

they don't have the power that they used to. Because if you had to alternate and I hate that word with the media, or the alternative media or not mainstream media, then it would be quickly called out. Oh, yeah. But they're being derailed by another narrative, and they're throwing a tantrum, which worries me that worries me more than anything because when they start to throw attention is very problematic. So I guess we can get to the third new neuberg clip.

So this man is Shahid Hussain, and he comes to Newburgh, looking for terrorists, and he spends months hanging out at the local mosque not finding any buddy. Until one day he crosses

the path of the local blowhard. James comedy comedy is a low level marijuana dealer whose only means of employment is he's a night clerk at Walmart makes about $14,000 a year and probably will say anything crummy brag to your head, you sane about blowing up police stations, he bragged about committing murders, none of which he did if the FBI had bothered to check, they would see that the guy is just you

know, he's like Jackie Gleason from The Honeymooners. If that needs to be a little bit, but he's a big talker, but she hated saying, hey, I've got someone who might actually go along with us. So Hussein pursues comedy for months and says we need more people. We need more bodies. Come on, let's get a conspiracy going. Crowley can't find anybody. And Hussein eventually when comedy just crapped out on him nothing nothing seems to be

happening. Hussein says listen I can get you $250,000 we can take trips all over the country when this is done I can get you cars I can buy you a barbershop. You know, James Crombie all of a sudden gets really interested and brings in three guys from New burns.

First of all 250 grand usually informants are authorized up to $5,000 so how all of a sudden you know he did multiple 50 times this I guess is part of the question he said that was code I never figured that one out throughout the process but it also turns out that Hussein didn't record everything so at the end of the day those blanks in this really have to be filled in by the Fed so in effect take Hussein's word for it I can't believe I missed this whole thing never heard of this

Oh, and I forgot to tell you they were all black guys. Oh no, I think I figured that of course you know, I'm saying so but that's that's the weird thing about it was it didn't get the media coverage at all I think it was I think it was so poorly put together that they were like take our wind and go home I was like hey, we need a conspiracy here let's cook one up brother's got to do it.

So it's just fascinating that like I said, You're you you blew my mind when I first heard about six weeks ago but I hadn't knew about this story and I knew about past history that we're going to get into a little later of events like this happening that issues if a man is a scary what it is that you can go into poor neighborhoods and throw around a quarter million dollars to a god it makes $14,000 a year and you don't think he's going to bite on it even if even if he's a teaches a lie. I was

gonna say what you got me. You got me. It's better than podcasting. I mean, come on. It's like, yeah, you get anyone's attention. It's amazing. So what now we're going to go over to the Muslim Public Affairs Council the impact and make they do their own coverage on the Newburgh thing. We have breaking news the FBI says it has thwarted a terror plot we targeted for individuals that planned and scheme to bomb to Jewish facilities here in the Bronx, and also to take down

military aircraft of at the Stewart airport. They stated that they wanted to commit jihad. Prosecutors described the suspects as extremely violent men who embraced every opportunity for terrorism. Investigators say the four Muslim men met in prison and hatch the terrorist plot at a local mosque. I remember he was sitting right over here on that side, and there was a chip on the table here. And he made his statements that a woman should not be seen or heard. And it was just like,

Is this how he introduced yourself to us? He's gonna tell us women should be you should not be seen or heard. You would ask about jihad. you'd ask about a holy war. I did tell different individuals assess stay the hell away from him. Somebody write about it.

He hung around long enough to be able to get somebody to buy and test by someone like Mr. Cromartie who had spent his entire life in poverty, trying to support himself as a very low level marijuana dealer, Mr. shakey who's saying well that was a very big thing to him it was crazy all these different news media started converging onto the property and automatically I knew it was manufactured I was the first one to say that this was entrapment wow this is good

and as the media they said the media is working hand in hand with these letter are these letter a three letter agencies three letter three letter agencies they're they're a you want a good story you want to scoop? Meet me down in Newburgh. Roger stone, when you're in Florida, they raided his house at five in the morning. And they called CNN. And that's the that was the point I made about Cosby as well, that when they want to make a statement and through the

media, these organizations work together. Oh, yeah, I'm one if you make you make an enemy, then I can report on it. So it's always a it's mutually beneficial to both parties. You get the scoop, you know, if it bleeds, it leads, and I get to I get to feed the machine. The fear machine that know begets more fear. And I think it's I said that if it's going on now then it has to be going on now. And some dupes are out there. Right as we speak, getting duped again. Yeah, getting duped.

Yeah. And what it also does is it makes people fear to assemble, including myself. I would love to intermingle with people. But as you know, you're saying I don't do groups? I don't I'm because I am smart enough or paranoid enough which share what you want to put it. That I know, all it takes is a snapshot with your arm around somebody or the arm around you. That's all it takes. And and they can build a story or narrative off of that image. Like oh, look at them, you know, look at Oh, look at

this guy look no mo facts with this guy over here. And I don't know him from a campaign. But there you have it, you know, and you shouldn't have to live like that. But this is the you know, the oppression of fear. Yeah, and it's and you're right, it's for everybody. The color doesn't mean much. Although DVDs, man, it's really white guys. There's no black people there. Well, you know, I'm gonna say it like this, if they can make Larry elder white, a white supremacist. Yeah.

He was he was the black face of white supremacy. That was the line now beautiful. How if I can do that, and then medius report that with a straight face. And like I said, I have my issue with someone who takes very elder has, but if they can read it, they can make people believe that they can easily make you into D DVE. So let's get into the final clip from the impact. The government made this movie and I believe, except I know how the movies

made. The arrest itself was a well staged event, I think Hollywood would have been quite proud. Everything was designed so that every newspaper in New York could say the FBI made a big arrest. It's the best press standing next to the really bad guy. When you caught him before there's a crime. Everybody wants to say, I saved America. The mood within the FBI after 911 was that the rules don't apply

anymore. But the one message that was clear, and for me and the other FBI executives at the time it was there will be no tolerance for another terrorist attack in this country under any circumstances. The more I started to see what the government had done in here, and what the FBI had done here, you realize everybody does really, really, really ugly things. And once you see something like that you can't unsee it.

It could be people did. You know nobody told somebody to be in a clean, clean and clean. Closing. Yeah, it will destroy property. You want to Yeah, he'll tell you that But they tried to say my son was a ruthless killer. What David they talking about? They when I found out how devious the government really is, and he was like, well, your son's in tears. I said, No, you're the terrorists. You go home and look in the mirror. You created this whole scene. created a

movie as well. Yeah, yeah, it's it's quite easy these days. And now that you don't need the AI, you needed some footage from my cell phone camera. And you can use social media, you know. It's even more dangerous. Because it's Yeah, you could take any angle, I mean, any angle from anything, and make it look like you want to make it look and make a call out to me. And then any new story, you throw a couple 1000 bots against

it. And john and i have always said, the internet made it, you know, didn't really make it better for freedom and free speech. It made it that much easier for the government to propagandize. That's true, but I had to push back against that because it gets put on equal footing. Well, that's okay. pushing back to your push back. If you go look at the 2000s for Satan, maybe it's 2009 or something 2008 2009 Time

Magazine. Zuckerberg was Man of the Year. And in that article, Robert Muller pops his head into Zuckerberg office during the interview and says hey, you know, I was just in my office here in the in the building. Now Mahler was director of FBI at the time. He was the director of FBI and had his own office in the Facebook building. Yeah, but what I'm saying is we got two guys with two microphones and a laptop Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, of course that obviously

that's a problem that's that's the problem. We're seeing Oh, this is why I built podcasting. 2.0 I need to protect us. Yeah, yeah. And they never thought that I'll make I gotta make make these two points. I don't know I don't want to be laboring, but we have to, we can't let it slip past one with the new birth situation. If you make black people the face of something. You're going to get a segment of society behind it. To rail

against it. I'm going to give you an example Haiti, the border Yeah, millions came in brown people came into this country freely. Afghans unvetted came to this country field freely. We'll let 20,000 Haitians show up now we of course know on this show that all black people are not the same as far as you have a das not a das Haitians whatever but to the viewing audience you see a there was a horde of black people head towards the border

Oh everybody got in line. Oh no, no, I was turning around the border count them around the border now. Well, hold on a second. Again. We have to be careful because this was a little different than that because it's been a continuous stream of people coming in this 20 30,000 person group from Haiti which were always identified as Haitians in every news report it was really fox news that push this I'm so this was you know what what was different was you had a huge

amount it was your streaming across the river. I personally I have a feeling that that's yes you're right there's always gonna be someone but living in Texas and I live in the hill country and you know so this is not your typical Austin people. They really are more angry about just the fact that it's happening then who it is is contingent yes but it's it's it's I don't really feel like that. No the Texans were like stop everybody knows I'm even pro

strong border. The point I'm making is if you want to stop say okay, now now I'm about to get crispy I don't do conspiracies but let's just say for instance, that you want to stop illegal immigration say Dang, we blew out the border, how do we stop it right? Send 20,000 blacks to the border. If we stopped then we can stop everybody. Because the view of and I'm just just telling you because the same thing with an Uber case. When you make black people the face of something.

It's a little more scary to a certain segment of society now people on the border even myself, I'm like nobody should come here we're saying the wrong way. You know, I'm pro strong border because that's more competition. unfair competition is introduced to the you know, into the ecosystem of Our economy. But what I'm saying is the optics of it scares the crap. I don't know why. I do know why, but I don't know why it scared the crap out of not the conservative side, but the

liberal side. Notice they had no problem with saying turn them around in the border. And who and I'm gonna say this who lives under a bridge? A person went out of home, that was symbolic. I don't know, y'all have a home here, come around. Um, that's just my view of it. Um, like I said, you can push back on it, but that's how I see it. I don't have any evidence one way or the other

adjust what's around me? And in this particular case, not when it when it's when it's brown people, I think that it's more prevalent, because as African Mexicans are coming, even though they're from completely different countries, just this one particular case, I'm not so sure. I mean, you you may have, you clearly have a different experience. It's just it's been so posted. This is Haiti annotations and, and the M five M is lying about them coming from their earthquake country.

So there's a lot of focus to make it softer, in a way is what I'm feeling. I understand your point. I just don't know if if it subconscious or how to show for another day, but I just want to make that my perception of It's fine. It's fine. Yeah. My perception is when you when you make it a darker hue. It's a problem. Now we flew people in from Afghanistan. Now we were talking about terrorism now manufactured terrorism. It with the new Berg thing, but we're bringing people in unvetted no

problem. Yeah, no problem. But hold on, because I follow this, that that news of the Afghan of Afghans being brought in, which was starting to create an outrage, by the way, a lot of Afghans not brown just so everybody knows, you know, there's a lot of white Afghans. Yeah. But that was overshadowed by the Haitians as

a new story. So that so I think that people's focus was turned away, maybe purposefully, because, yeah, there were stories about, there was a couple of Afghans who immediately had to be deported because they were criminals. So that we needed a weapon that is give me a weapon tail and token people. basis. So yeah, I'm just saying, that's just a perception of mine. It's like branding. If you want to brand it a certain guy, I gotta let people do and the reason why I

brought it up, I didn't want to bring hate into too much. But I think they tried that with this case, because I don't know if it's known to you or not, we're in every president in a made the point is that they met in prison. In every major prison. There's a Muslim population of black men. Yes. So it's like, oh, we had a whole terrorist nail in every image, every prison like this. This is this is a real Bonanza.

I remember I remember hearing this after 911. So probably 2000 567 that there was a lot of this talk. Yeah. So I mean, I think it flopped. Flat hard. Now. You brought up Mueller. Is that Mueller akin to john Mueller, the senior fellow at the cato institute? I don't know. I don't know if he is or not. I don't know. I have a clip of john Mueller speaking on the new Burke's thing.

Yeah, what I've been doing is a set of case studies had been mentioned, which are of every case since 911, in which there has been an Islamic terrorist who has either who is apparently tried to do damage within the United States. This had included not only terrorists in the United States, like the Hamburg people by the Newbern people, but also the people of like the shoe bomber, and so forth, people who are based overseas.

So there's 70, there's now 70 cases, and there's a flyer out there if you didn't pick it up with 69 cases, but one just happened over the weekend. So there are now 70 cases that we'll be looking at. And most of them have failed to fully developed case studies. The the case seems to be fairly unique this particular case or especial in several respects, but two in particular stand out to me. One is the first time the FBI actually went to actually have them push the button.

Previously, when they had an formance by the way of the 70 cases or so more than half of them have insight you have informants people working in the play, not just looking at it from outside surveilling it, but actually looking within the plot of the night 19 cases since 2010 or so the 19 cases in this decade. 15 of them have been types of with the with the with

an informant working on site. At any rate in the early days, they basically just getting information about this guy wants to do something and then they tried to bring court cases, then he got closer to actually giving them weapons or having to take weapons. Oh my god, this is this is a great explanation of the entire six weeks cycle concept This is fantastic. But like you said and I didn't leave you That's why I'll let

you speak about pushing the button. But this is one of the first cases on record was like oh we got to get him at the scene right actually pressing the button because it's getting harder and harder to try these cases where you know where she's an alleged attack this was plant with story is the word he like to use this story. Robert Mueller has four younger sisters no brothers, so

all right. Never Mueller. Yeah, different one. All right. So um, I guess we can get back into the second clip or john. It turns out the government did absolutely everything that had fans predicted in his previous motion dismisses indictment, the government indisputably manufactured the crimes of which is the defendant stand convicted. And they did all the

details. There's not the slightest doubt in my mind that James promethee could never have dreamed of this scenario, which actually became he actually became involved in and if by some chance he did, he would not have had the slightest idea of

how to make it happen. I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt, which is extreme, you know, not vague, without beyond a shadow of a doubt that there would never been a crime here except the government instigated planned it and brought it to fruition now she also points out a couple of ingenious things that the government did do one was they basically made it so that these guys would get their weapons in Connecticut so that made it a federal case that he went outside of New York and the

other thing they did was essentially pursue the idea of bombing with a stinger missile shooting a plane which presuming on the ground with nobody in it, it was flying these guys would never in a million years be able to hit it they probably couldn't hit it even they're standing right next to it on the ground.

But at any rate, she then basically they they did this the stinger missile thing which as pointed out earlier, minimized or modified your sentence if you tried to take it on an aeroplane or planning to do it so in many respects the government made that happen because they didn't have to do the stinger missile they could did something else like blowing up a bridge or

something like it was originally there. The The promisee was incapable of committing an act of terrorism on his own and the the informant was a prime mover instigator of the of the criminal activity I remember this now. I totally remember this with the Stinger missiles I think that was doing that at LaGuardia or something I think it was the Air Force Base I'm not possible it's possible yes I remember this Yeah, so that's that's the whole

point. And then they also had the sprinkling and synagogues. On the way to the airport we're gonna knock off a couple of synagogues was added to get certain people alarmed in power so I mean, it's like a dog whistle pay attention pay attention, right. So we all know what that what that percent equates to when they throw the synagogues in there. Um, but yeah, I mean this this is a john Mueller. He said this is the first time that they had people on the inside working. Well,

obviously he didn't know. Darth Darth Perry, which he. This is a throwback clip from 41. Just about and it was a record air. This interview aired in 1980. He did most of his actions in the late 60s early 70s. ex ex FBI informant talks infiltration. In the summer of 1978, I interviewed a man who worked as an informant for the FBI during the 1960s. His name is Darth aard. Perry, also known as Ed Riggs, also known as Bill Perry,

also known as Othello. How are you paid? the pay was always in cash, cash and you would sign a card, it would go like this a rendezvous or a drop off point would be picked out either by yourself or the agent, he would meet the agent there. Usually it would be in a vehicle you get in the vehicle, he would hand you the money, he would tell you first to count the money. He would tell you the amount while you counted. The amount was there he would then bring out a card on that card would be for

the week of such in session. In other words, the week was dated so and so has been paid the amount of then you would sign the card and then the agent would sign the car. The reason for this is that if all of a sudden the IRS became very interested about where you were getting all this extra money from, you could always tell them to go back to the Bureau and the bureau would have your cars on file. Yeah, my goodness.

So this was this was going on in the 60s we you know, of course what cointelpro and those things and this guy was setting setting the fire In intermingling with, imagine how sophisticated this stuff is now, considering how long they've been pulling these scams. Yeah, but I think it works because that is not sophisticated. It's poor people cash, you can get into places that we can't. Hmm. And that that's the nuance we're talking about the humans have that, you know, even with technology, its

limitations, right? Um, yeah, it's certain limitations that you can, you can't, if somebody approaches approaches you online, it's a little different when somebody approaches you in person, right? That's why these people are so valuable to these three letter agencies. Right. So yeah, so you hear you heard him saying yourself? So let's get into the second part of this clip. With such things as bonuses, Oh, yes. What were they paid for?

bonuses were paid for? Suppose while you were meeting with, or you were at a meeting with Bobby seals, to lie, the Red Army happened to come to the meeting to which is something which would be new development as the best bonus time? In other words, a hard piece of information, IPS very happy. Did you ever suffer pangs of conscience? Quite a few times. Quite a few times. I still suffer pain as a conscious. I suffer from the fact that a lot of people trusted me. And I misused that

trust. I suffer from the fact that a lot of information that I gave out was the undoing of certain groups or certain people. Sound familiar? to folks, DVDs, weapons to the bottom, you as you always say it's, it's you first what you do hold the door open, we are in the wrong door, this is the wrong door you want to go through. You don't want to go through this door because as we saw with the proud boys, they had the leader who was an afro

Latino, he was working with the feds, right? allegedly right? Um, and they brought him in like right before that he couldn't be at the one six a protest, like, Oh, no, no, no, we found you with some kind of magazines or something. We're taking you out

the game, you know, that kind of thing. And, like I said, we saw this with the mob, we saw there's all kinds of groups, either political or just criminal with these infiltrators, um, and like I said, I just want to humanize because they maybe they're saying, Oh, well, it's for the greater good, but you can't circumvent people's rights. That's my issue with it, you know, do it the right way. If you want to catch people do it the right way. Um,

but, yes. You mean like, do it legally do your job properly and stop mucking around? Right, don't know, infringe on people, right? I'm big on rights. Because when I go into courtroom, I would hope to have all mine protect me. And when I see other people's rights are eroded away. That is a big issue with me. Because if you could take that person, even if I don't agree with that person, even if I don't like that person, you they should have a

fair trial. They shouldn't be entrapped. They shouldn't be you know, oh, you know, honeypot it or whatever, whatever the terms you want to use to get it i want i want to clean case, because it might that's that's the thing, if I'm not that way, then I'm a hypocrite. You know, I'm decide, yeah, get I don't like them. So do what you got to do to get Oh, of course, of course. And I think like I said, I think that's the thinking that came. That was the silver lining of the 911 thing. A lot of people

felt that way. Like, that feels icky, right? You're saying like, that doesn't even feel right. Even if I understand. I understand I live it I understand the buildings or whatever. I mean, just take it surface level. But I rack like, what are we doing? I don't make it make sense. But nobody said anything at the time. But I think people my age and yellow are younger.

Well, that was that was two things. That was a lie, of course, but it was a colin powell who held up you know, the the vial of anthrax, and then there was the aluminum tubes. That was a New York Times. Lie. They lied. And yeah, but it was totally based off of the New York Times reporting and they just had bad information. I would say they lied. But yeah, yeah. Like I said, but that shaped the generation have now

Oh, no, it's not fair. I think we're Yes. The general population is more about fairness now than it was just Oh, pro America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, yeah, we want it. We want it clean. Like we want to win win win clean when we don't want you know, we don't want to, I could say use your word not more than mucked up. So I'm now getting back to the black. And I got to get back to it because we got to go talk about the Black Panthers Yes. And what the they did for gun rights in a negative

way. So I'm just gonna catch people up. This came for 41 as well. And if it wasn't for the Black Panthers in them being given guns, and standing outside of a state capitol, then you don't have the gun rights that we have today where the gun laws not rights, but the policing of gun rights that we have today. And those guns were supplied by, you guessed.

We begin today's show with explosive new allegations that the man who gave the Black Panther Party some of its first firearms and weapons training was an undercover FBI informant in California. Richard okie, was an early member of the Panthers and the only Asian American to have a formal position in the

party. He was also a member of the Asian American political alliance that was involved in the third world Liberation Front students strike of the claim that alkie was informed and his colleagues is based on statements made by a former agent of the FBI. In a report obtained by investigative journalist Seth Rosenfeld, author of the new book subversives, the FBI is war on student radicals and Reagan's rise to power.

Yes, once again, handing out guns. For political it's like it's the it's the it's the double cross is, here's guns look scary. So now we can implement what we really want to implement gun control. So that's my point. It was I think the same thing with a Newburgh sting. It was here, here's bombs, here's Stinger missiles. Now we can really clamp down on the domestic like, this was like the real birth of the domestic terrorists because they were American citizens.

Of course. Ah. What year was this again? The new bar. I think I could say I think that was when I say 2008 or something. Yeah, yes. Okay. So yeah, so it's, well, they're not over there anymore. They're over here and they're radicalized. And we heard there radicalizing American citizens. You know, that's how powerful the narrative was Kane like, and the same thing with Richard Araki. So I think we can skip past what we stopped at 15. Yeah, we don't need to listen to

16. But I want to get 16 a, because as we heard on the last show, 66 with the Black Panther Party and what was going on in Baltimore, I wanted I one of the other really fascinating things in your book, you talk about the history of policing in Baltimore. And you you've said, You told me before the interview that you sort of see some parallels today, we might be under a new age of surveillance. You know, that if it's not

already started today. And and I think one of the most fascinating things in your book, you talk about how the the, so the Baltimore chapter of the Black Panther Party, was actually started as part of a cointelpro operation, which is run by the FBI to sort of sort of infiltrate the national chapter, which was based in Chicago and in Oakland,

right. And, and so so what happened was that an army veteran who had joined the National Security Agency, which had built a new headquarters near Baltimore, accent here to create a Black Panther Party in Baltimore, that lasted for about a year and then he disappeared only to resurface in Canada as an agent provocateur. The reason why he went to Canada was that the Royal Mounted Police did not have any black agents. So the FBI, led him to Canada.

Linda snitch black guard down in America, we knew that we need to rent a snitch. And that guy who shot his international painting, just curiosity, do we have any idea of the, at the time, at least of the racial makeup of the FBI? Oh, no, they actually had black agents. They mean that that was something but I'm just curious. What do you think the ratio is? Oh, very small.

It would mean they were hired like as, I mean, they had black agents that came in To talk to you know, Malcolm X yeah you know they always had the people and like I said the humanism we don't want to you know demonize anybody I'm sure they felt that they were doing the best thing they could for their country because we know some of these groups were based in communism is well so they might have like well yeah we're taking down this group where we're fighting the evil red you

know that kind of thing and that's but that's the same mentality now right is Oh yeah, we're gonna we're locking up the 160s but we're taking down the evil nationalist or not that kind of thinking what I'm just doing as I'm laying out is Back

to the Future. Totally what the whole way I'm walking it back is like is this is happening right now in certain groups is people showing up with bags full of money, bags for arms, whatever else and making inroads in groups to you know Taro wrote our way our rights I mean that's that's my biggest thing is like as an Ontario said, In this clip, you know, it's the surveillance Look at all this stuff we gave up out of fear. You know, you can't ride anywhere I was talking to

somebody today. You can't ride anywhere without being recorded now. Oh, no kidding and let's remember let's see let's just remember what's even past your neighbor's house the ring doorbells the know the ring dorm camera ring doorbell network cameras all those things you hear is normal. Can you hear me mo no, you can't hear me Hello? I thought yeah, hold on. Yeah, it's the ring doorbell network that has been

licensed to every single police department in the country. They literally have a continuous view of almost every single street because we're stupid and there is fear I mean, you well the ring now the ring doorbell yes it's fear of course it's fear but it's also a complete ignorance people really don't understand what that what the giving up by doing this kind of stuff.

Well people were paying on people's and taking craps on people's doorstep I mean of course we know I can't say of course we know is highly likely that Amazon was doing native ads to scare people I love what's happening outside your door when you're not home. Oh totally. Don't you want to know I might get stolen packages all those things it's they you know and well

here I have an example I have an example. I think it's just maybe just a new story but but that's what was going on as you'd have new stories where they talk about the ring doorbell and those were native ads like this. I think coming allegations tonight out of North Phoenix the mother accused of abusing her own son and police say they have the visual evidence to prove it. Nicole marker and a boyfriend William

Johnson now facing charges. Police started investigating after markers young child showed up at school with a burn on his hand. It's a fun story later recovering 1000s of ring video clips inside and outside the child's home near 32nd Street and Bell Yeah, totally inside inside. Like maybe they didn't tell you that part. Or like the kid like the the CPS coming to people houses due to Alexa is Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, it accidentally recorded you. I'm so sorry.

Right. So I mean, that's all I'm saying is but just stay in Baltimore for a minute. The Wire he showed us this notion of we saw in NORC started with cell phones. Not when they had the camera. Remember they put the camera up on the corner? Yeah, you know, so. It was there. I mean, it was like Okay, yeah, crom Newark, New Jersey was like ground zero for this kind of surveillance. And now it's just like, except it that you can't

go anywhere without being recorded. I mean, almost to the point where if it doesn't even exist anymore, like you know, you're not even conscious of being recorded. And remember that the best spy devices the one you have in your pocket. Oh, yeah. tracks, you know, tell you when you sleep your way. I read a great story this morning, Spotify, the Spotify app, apparently is wearing down the battery on brand new iPhones, like in an hour of listening to Spotify drains the

battery by 30%. And the company says, Well yeah, you know, it's doing a lot of data processing. Like really to play a song. Yeah, it's a lot of data proc, and we're not quite sure we can change this. And the recommendation is don't let it run in the background. Oh my goodness. Yeah, but they're they're mining your whole life to sell it and I'm sure they'd be happy to accept a subpoena. Well, not only to sell it but to their mining your whole life to

shape it. How many times You actually select what you want to hear next are watching it. It's like here. You watch that you love this. Yep. And people are like Molly's in front of Netflix and they just say okay, Ah yeah, show me that or YouTube. Okay. Yeah, I guess I like that you know. So this goes back into the shaping of society in the in the, you know, the social programming is going on, which I find very, very sad. very troubling. But Wow, wow, this is something that you missed from

the life. We talked about. Michael K. Williams. Yeah. And my favorite role of is is not Omar. Dickies, chalky, white, from Boardwalk Empire. And when my nose clips for that covered it. A lot of good stuff in the live the lost tapes for 66. I went across this clip again, I was we're always aware of it. But this is a fascinating, it's a it's a drama sensation. But

it's the character called Darren in our SES. And he was this. I think he was Bahamian, I want to say, but he comes into the black community and he's pushing the kind of self empowerment that kind of thing, but he's a pimp, and I think a drug dealer. But you know, he looked down on chalky, white McLaren to character play by my k wheels because he's this elitist black person. And chalky White is like this poor you know, country

Southern black man. But the beauty of it is that in our seas is up getting flipped in the show, by J. Edgar Hoover, you into this country to the Port of New Orleans in 1898. Is that correct? Is that correct? Are you the one asking questions? 1898. Yes, 26 years in the United States. But you're not a citizen. And that is grounds for detaining me. Why would you go on living in a country you don't wish to belong to? The exile does not

choose us Babylon. Your compatriot, Garvey, he thinks you should all return to Africa. That would be an oversimplification of his philosophy. What am I missing? I doubt that I could make you to understand. You seem to be a clever fellow. Who do you think it's to decide what the truth is? Truth is one of those in power wishes to be.

During the course of investigating the seditious activities of Marcus Garvey, James M. Oliver, special agent with the Bureau of Investigation was murdered in Atlantic City, New Jersey by an unidentified colored male that the valentim nor Cece assisted the Bureau in apprehending the suspect. So we know as we covered in previous shows, Jagger Hoover really had an issue with Marcus Garvey. Well, first we need to remind people because I think john

Fletcher brought it up to me the other day. That j Edgar Hoover was the African American black man. Yeah, this is such a mind boggling thing if you tell people like what what episode was that mo if anyone wants to go back and check I think that wasn't either 31 to 41 I believe I might maybe early about I think we played a dumb maybe throwback clip and knows we've been on this trip for a while.

That was a good one though. That was one of my favorites. That that's where like, how come I how come this is not known? Cuz it's problematic to the narrative. No kidding. Black Man harassing black men like Marcus Garvey, Martin Luther King, and now he can't have that narrative. You know, he has to be a cross dressing white man. That's the narrative. I mean, that's that's what they want us to believe. Right? As a more that he's right. He's a crossdresser Um, I don't know if

he I don't know his sexuality. I just know he like dress up in women's clothes. But allegedly, but he can't be a black man. Oh no. Even though we have proof of his lineage you know that that would ruin what we always talk about that by itself just blows your brain up.

Yeah it does. That's why they can't let it happen because then it's like okay then why do you have it for black peace out for black people then Zack, is it because like I said, communism was a big issue of his as well as you were saying taking down as he said In this clip, quoted as saying, clips, the dishes, groups, so um, but I thought that's a wonderful clip of a agent, flipping someone into an informant. And let's just move

ahead a little bit jet. The one that played their role in the northeast, was Jeffrey Wright. And he's on the sway universe sway in the morning. And he goes and give some insight and history on the character behind donar seas is your character based on anybody in history as well, or like you're just my character is based on a

historical guy, but he's this guy. Really distorted. There was a guy named Casper Holstein, who, in the early 1920s, was the numbers King, the first big numbers king in Harlem guy was making like $12,000 a day they said, you know, he was making millions early 20s. He was in the Virgin Islands. He was an immigrant. He came as a young as a youngster, he ended up at one point, getting a job as a courier for a wall street

connected family, I think out in Brooklyn white family. So they gave him a job, eventually on Wall Street, menial job, like a janitor or something like that. Apparently, he ended up in the closets stuck during the day studying the stock reports, the stock indices, and he would just study all your, you know, very, you know, mathematical mind. Apparently, what he did, ultimately was he tied the nailing the daily number to the stock index. So all he had to do was go to the newspaper and look

at certain results. And you knew what the number was. So there's no ambiguity, there was no way of fixing it. And that's how his game became the game to play. So he was making literally millions in the early 20s. He was one of the biggest philanthropists in the world or in the country, advocating on behalf of rights for the Virgin Islands. He also was a Gar VA when Marcus Garvey's Empire started to crumble. He was the one who paid for liberty Hall, he saved the building that housed the

universal Negro Improvement Association. bad dude. You know, who he reminded me of when I was telling this story. The Legend of Frank Lucas, the American Gangster that this one black man was bringing in all of these drugs. Yeah, all of America is like, really? Is that really what you want to believe that one black man was bringing all the drugs they supply all over America in the 1970s Please pay no attention to the involvement of the CIA or the military.

Right? And the same case with this, there was no follow up question and saying hey, was he really working with? No nobody asked that. I mean, that's the main question right? Was he

really working at Hoover? And you're saying unless you're a black man or a suspected black man because he saved from Bahamas um cuz we know when we say that word black it means something different than how they use it you're saying so loosely, but making millions of dollars run in numbers and he didn't come across Hoover's radar Yeah, and this is our first time hearing about him I mean like it's just like I said it's just a fascinating well, but it's what's what's cool about it is just like just

like that with the with the oathkeepers you know, the terrorist domestic violent extremist terrorist group is the same thing with the leader. And let's not at all mentioned red owl. Oh, yeah. cowboy hat on us and by God suitcases full of cocaine. No problem, you know, but but but what's the story? Oh, he took down the mob, you know, the righteous

justification of what he did. So yeah, it's that's, that's the backstory of, you know, the history of informants throughout, you know, early America and early the FBI, going all the way back from the Black Panthers all the way back to Marcus Garvey and the creation of the of the agency. And then one more thing I'd like to bring up is the n double A CP was created by a person in a government agency. So it's always true. Yes, we carry that spin guard. I know we we cover

so much. Yes. Spin guard which now to give out the Spingarn war. All right. So it's like was what did they have control on both sides because you know, Dubois and Garvey, you're saying we're like kind of pitted against each other or didn't like each other were they and we know clearly that divorce is being handed do boy do Boy Boy was being handled by um, spin guard was Casper, the handler on Marcus Garvey side, you know that we got to ask these questions, because good

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So I know everybody's like, well, I thought we're gonna talk about q anon and we're waiting, but why do you go the way he went? I want to lay out the history. That way we can understand the present and maybe even predict the future what's going to happen. So now we get to Q nine, this is for 60 minutes. And this is q anons corrosive impact on the US

in just three years. The extremist ideology of Q anon has captured the minds and imaginations of 10s of millions of Americans, their core belief, a global cabal, including Democrats, hollywood elites, and members of what they call the deep state control much of our lives. The Cabal commits atrocities including pedophilia, Satan worship and cannibalizing children, but it will be vanquished by Donald Trump and

an apocalyptic day called the storm. Q anon was born when an anonymous character named Q, began posting cryptic riddles in an online forum known for hosting hateful and racist content. The movement prospered in pandemic isolation. Its followers occasionally erupting an acts of violence, culminating in the assault on the Capitol. But the prophesied storm never

happened. Instead, Donald Trump left office and Q anon followers have found themselves at a moment of truth, the story will continue in a moment. The only thing the only thing I don't like about that report is the blatant lie that it's only democrat politicians. As far as I know, the Q anon stuff about, you know, the pedobear. And it was politicians any leads, it's it was never Democrats,

and from what I understand is the One World Government. So I mean, it's kind of hard to party to party, one world government, but that's the narrative. And what trouble me in this is that they kind of lump everything in there. If you believe in a deep state, your cue and if you believe in children's being trafficking, and trafficking around the world, you're queuing on if most of the things we talked about in this on this show, people would we could easily be thrown in that group.

And and they also said that the key point I want to point out in this, there were a captive audience. I think what a lot of free time, people started doing their own research. And if you notice, research has been demonized, like, Oh, god, it's not here. There was a queue and on people who are debunking the the Coronavirus, they do a lot of their own research. Right? It's like, I wish I had to bring this up. The big fish has landed, the king has been jabbed, LeBron James has

officially came out and say he's taking the vaccine. And he had to make an announcement. And in there he says, After doing my own research, always, really, oh, my research is good for you saying it's good for the well, it's good if you agree with it. Push babies counter the narrative, then it's like, oh, no, no, no, you can't do your research, which I think they had

become a cue now for several reasons. One, I think, when they shut down the machine and Hollywood, people dispell broke, and people started doing their own research and watching other no content. Listening to I hate the word, but all media. And that was a problem. And then what also happened is, we started seeing celebrities and stars and their top people that

push the narrative of Hollywood elites. They were normal. We saw them in their kitchens, we saw them in their bathrooms, we saw them you know, all that. All that drugs, the salesman broke a lot of spells, man broke a lot of spells. And that was the thing is like, Well, how do we get them back in control? Well, we make them fear research are looking into things like if you bring up you know, anything, and that list of things that we

listed all your q&a? Yeah, just deep into q&a. Which is the similar way with it's in reverse of what they've done what we listed in the first part of the show. Have they lump everybody in together by these loosely based, like you said, If you believe in a deep state, which deep state is a common use term by a politician? Yeah. But if you believe in it, you're queueing on that kind of thing. They talk about the deep state they talk about the One World Government they talk about kids

being trafficking, trafficking. Those kinds of things. So it's just it's weird that they did this, but it gets even worse with the whole qR thing. Um, let's just go ahead and get into part two. Joe Biden get sworn in. And you started seeing chatter online. I've been caught. This has all been a scam and they were out, which is great. That that is rare for radicalized individuals.

Elizabeth Newman was in charge of policy to counter domestic extremism and The Department of Homeland Security in the Trump administration, the prophecies did not happen. The storm didn't happen. Is there an opportunity right now to, as we say, off ramp some of these people? Absolutely. For many of us, it was a light switch effect. But for others, you see them struggling. They're trying to

make sense of it. And so they're very vulnerable right now they're vulnerable to being convinced about some of these

newer theories. There's a new one that March 4, March 4 is the day that President Trump is going to return and he's going to be president again, if we're at a moment where some of these people are disillusioned, and maybe open to new ideas are far right extremists, white supremacist, even neo nazis jumping in to this breach right now and trying to peel them off and radicalize them even more.

Yes, they see opportunity. They have been posting guides on how to approach a disheartened q&a non adherent making clear that you don't want to make fun of their ideology you don't want to be too direct about your white supremacist views you want to be empathetic which I missed this the whole time I didn't I just caught this when I was doing these clips storm the capital the storm yeah no I'm just saying that's why I think they use that term storm the capital Oh, is that right right oh yeah yeah

i was like that's a weird thing to say right or you know it was your storm they storm the Capitol they storm the storm shot you

going mom good catch. Yeah, so I found that just fascinating but now it's like we're there you know, they're nomads we know where to place to go and they're right for the being inducted into white supremacy which q anon was all different people I play clips from the show where it was spreading throughout the quote unquote urban community I mean, we heard it on urban radio stations being discussed and the boulais and puff puffy in you know, other black celebrities

was part of it. So it was I said they I think they want it some way to get people back in line to say, if it doesn't come from your television screen from a big network then it's fake phony is no as dangerous is dangerous night You know, you don't want

to you know, get off media. No, no, no, no, he didn't. And that causes a causes white supremacy, you know, that kind of thing is Yeah, we just talked about elder right when you're doing your research causes white supremacy, you don't want to catch it. Right. And it's like that white supremacists are empathetic to the q&a. listeners, but what really troubled me was the impact that it has on parents, don't family, families, families, parents. And we see the same thing with the Vax

situation that is divided families. Um, but I have some clips here again for 16 minutes, and listen to how they talk about how it destroyed families, that their loved ones who they said have fallen into keune on conspiracies are very much alive. And in order to protect their privacy, we aren't sharing their last names. Wheeler is a 28 year old Army veteran who said he now struggles to connect with his parents because of what he described as their fascination with conspiracy theories. It's been

a very slow death of the people that I once knew. Now I don't recognize them. And in a way that's been more painful, because I haven't been able to fully grieve at any point. Wheeler served as an army medic for two years. He was stationed at Fort Hood in 2014 when a gunman killed three of his fellow soldiers and injured 12 before turning the gun on himself. It was frightening. It was traumatizing in a way.

Wheeler was discharged in 2015. He told us he didn't open up to his parents right away, and only over time, gave more details about what he said he'd experienced during the shooting. But he said the parents he returned home too had become more paranoid as they started being influenced by conspiracy theories. And they began to doubt his account of what he didn't heard that day. When I told them I was there for that shooting, and I told them

what I had experienced. It was whiplash to me Because I was met with a distant icy neglect so the Q anon conspiracies that he started following made him degrade into more of an angry more abusive more distant person who now doesn't even really believe I don't think anything that I've said about my military service How does it feel to have your parents not believe it happened a betrayal wow I know people who are 100% I'll just I mean they say enough

things that I know that they that they have followed a lot of Q anon very smart people very commercially successful people usually people who run business like retail but but what's interesting is that they've it's almost like they left let's see if I can say this right like they left the the entertainment that is television news or cable news and went to the entertainment that is q anon now they they're not you know they hi remember a specific like well you know August it could happen

you know Trump could come back but but then they're not crazy but these two it's the two of them are both are into it but when you have a split in the family which was already happening with Fox News by the way just the fact that your your parents or your dad would watch fox news was enough to want to leave the house and not want to go to Thanksgiving dinner so this is this is a complete really we got orange man bad and they just ripped open our amygdalas and through this crap

in and I think at this point it's easy you can just toy with him like oh just add this add this a little bit and his q1 on now was perfect was perfect. That's why I laid out the first part of the show like I did you get into people's and they use the word ideology right where you start to question everything because reality is so bizarre if you say six week cycle that somebody will say that's just another word for conspiracy theory now it's a it's a synonym

that's my point. It's like it's not about Q and those kind of things. If anytime you question the mainstream it's a brand

right anytime you question What about texting or your q&a? a nice easy way easy way to do it yeah Steve was killed in a jail cell he was convicted No no no, that sounds like q anon stuff so it's like who's really not living in reality you know it's it's but it's the perfect wage because like you said it's all about what media you consume to you know to divide and that's their whole point is go back to the binary thing again Yeah, it's not it's totally it's about okay once zeros it's like either

1000 sealed indictments or you know everything is is a big lie You know, or a cure not a conspiracy theory so the reason why this troubles me is is how it it we talked about infiltration to organizations this thing infiltrated the house the home the family the where people can't even communicate with each other anymore and I just find it very troubling um,

when you know it's like all it like says binary right? All of the media or you believe none of the media it's like how about we go case by case and see what we believe or don't believe the same as for Vax, anti Vax, this is splitting families apart. This is splitting relationships apart. Same thing, which that's what that's why I have a problem with binary thing. I mean, that

is a pet peeve of mine. And and if you come to the lab, I have a real issue with extremist now extremists are needed, you know, because that's what sets the the boundaries of our society, right? You have a stream of one and a stream on the right you have politici politically, you have your super liberal people, you have your super conservative people. Yeah, but that is when you look at a bell curve that should be a very small portion

of society. Now the thing is blue out is to the point where he is all on one side or on the other and you just had to bleep everything whole cloth. So this is the real reason why I'm gonna get into like, the real like the real depth of this show, and the purpose of it because this is a public service announcement. I say that in jazz, but there's some truth to that because put the phone down, put the phone down both both sides, put it

down and just talk to him. Okay, this is okay. Let's get to the second part of it clue. Wheeler connected us with his parents who firmly denied their son's account of their belief in Q anon. wheelers. Father said he doesn't have enough information to verify his son's experience at Fort Hood that day, and was skeptical of what he saw as changing accounts by Wheeler. He said the two haven't talked much in the past year. The six people who joined us came from Alaska,

Kentucky, Georgia, Maryland, North Dakota, and Canada. They all had different stories with a similar theme, the devastation of families caused by Q and on going over a year since I've talked to my dad. So like he Elizabeth said her father was her main support when she was struggling with depression, anxiety, even thoughts of suicide. Like he was the person that stopped me from going through

with it all in the end. And from about 16 to 2020 was about the last one that I really was sitting there, contemplating this and ultimately pulled myself back thinking about my dad getting the phone call that his daughter had passed away. And that was also about the time that everything started to get really bad, so bad that Elizabeth says a year ago, she had to cut off communications with her father. She said he inundated her with Facebook messages and text messages peddling conspiracy

theories. Although she told us she later connected those conspiracies to Q anon. She said her father denied knowing what q anon is both both sets of parents and I'm not queuing on Yeah, yeah, I'm just question and what this is a product of is the fake news. A lot of people realize that the news is fake, it's it's manufactured and I could easily The reason Let me explain what

I'm saying. I could easily be a type of person that would believe the media because my dad was sitting me down like son sit out here and learn something see what's going on with the world you know, and we watch the local news and then you know, Dan Rather was his guy you know, before Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune came home that was the routine that was the nightly routine and it was like to be informed you have to watch the news well here comes out 45 savage and he says fake news

when he says that it's like they just stick kept stepping on rakes and proving his point that the news is fake it is manufactured it is doctored is you know and then you know you have these stories come out like with the news guy that's like in

the boat and it's in like four inches of water. You have the clips where like all the local news stations are saying the same exact thing across all the affiliates I mean, these are some of the memes that came around about right that show that the news is manufactured now and then not you couple that with what happened like say with 911 911 was a huge wake up call for a lot of people because it's like I don't you want me to

believe what my eyes What you say? Not my eyes? Oh, yeah. You know that was written in at least pay no attention to wt c seven. That's that's what you know what? Or what I always get them when I mean not to get them in a bad way. But question and for the conspiracy theorists out there. If you want to successfully reach somebody, or you know, ask them a question. Don't inundate them with a bunch of information because I think the real problem here is one size brain shut down. From you

know, just being bombarded with too much. Too much. wokeness at one time, it's like Whoa, whoa, whoa, what is like cuz if you ever met like a real conspiracy theorist, and they hit you with that od that overdose of truth. If you can see people bring my friend you bet your brain fries. Yeah. Right. And then what that does is like, No, I want to be safe. So I'm gonna go back to believe in whatever the narrative is like, No, no, no, I can't. I can't digest that. A lot of people will tell you what

say that. Like, no, I can't I can't digest that choice. I just want to go back because q1 on I think is just another version of what I think the CIA admittedly started they admittedly started the whole concept of a conspiracy theory around the JFK assassination. We have been here before Yes, we have. And but but you are absolutely right that with the advance of cable news and internet and and just the proliferation of media itself. It's I think it just became

easier and you know what they tried the fact check. Well fact check fact check factor and everyone now, you know, the fact checking is fallen. So by the wayside we've seen in the past two weeks, the hunter Biden laptop, oh, yeah, that's absolutely true. And the in the past two months, we've seen the Wu Han lab versus the wet market, which has been there for hundreds of years. So both of those things, people were D flat, D platformed. It was fact check false. That couldn't be

true. And now it turns out it is true that I think, and also the, the excessive amount of fact checking labels and crap that's

on everything has rendered that almost useless. So they, they and I'm just gonna say CIA, I think I think it's 100% CIA will bring an FBI, you know, the two sides of the same coin don't always get along, that are doing this, that are just continuously pushing a new message, and they've tightened it and, man, the, the political parties did a great job because, you know, once Trump came in, you know, remember there's another group of people, which is the same thing is trumpers Trump

supporters, Trump voters magga all of this is being rammed into your head or into they're trying to ram it in everyone's head mainly through mainstream mainstream messaging, which, oddly enough doesn't really even have such huge numbers anymore. You know, MSNBC cnn in their primetime is less than half a million people are watching

you have several youtubers combined. That's it that flip on their live Yep, and out of the water and pool seeing in numbers and I don't even believe like I said you turn off the gyms you turn off the airports you turn I mean like those viewers left yeah then it's done

right? This was the end you have on the other hand I can go and pull 150 people on alive I mean like that's a lot of people I mean if you really I mean we've got so caught up in the millions if you can gather 150 200 I think you know agenda show y'all do y'all Oh gee live about two and a half 1000 2002 and a half 1000 that's a lot of people I mean come alive Yeah, that converge?

And no no big cameras no fancy none of their spells none of the magic none of the you know what people really tune in for that big TV screen right behind people in the suits in the you know the makeup and that kind of stuff um, they're losing their way but so they had to have q&a and everything else you are not sound like a drug but but there is one there is one additional thing because a lot of the alternative media alternate media is playing

and we do the same obviously, we're playing mainstream so at like Fox News plays a lot of stuff that they then comment on that is comes from the other guys so they're really promoting everything you're giving this head galleon dialectic choice. And really, YouTube, but also Twitter and Instagram. That's where a lot of the mainstream stories that's where the clip service goes in. And that's, that's become very important for

this for this loop. They can see and on what what's on those clips, mega mega mega Trump or Trump or Q and on cue and on antivaxxers and on DVDs go on and on and on. But on the same time, they're so ham handed, that they just give you more material. It's they they so so far out to whatever their advertisers and now this is where the advertisers come in at. The real power of us is the producers. Because all we have to do is come here and sell what we understand what we hear and

see. We don't have to worry about like the Boulay phone ringing and saying hey, you can't say that right? Yeah. You're going way too far once again. rely on you. Just so it sanitize everything. And is there kind of like robots like Oh, I can't say that. I can't question man. And they're slowly losing their celebrities as well. But if you don't realize, oh, that spells been broken, that spell is broken. I love it. I love seeing how the celebrities can't deny they're

not influencers. It's just not they can't influence anymore. They can't get people take the shots. They can't get them to look at award shows. over and done with Hollywood is dead. Is that but that's the arrogance of it. I Oh yeah, we shut the machine off for a year and in the show Come right back. No, no, like, we don't care. I don't know. Like I said, I don't only thing i watch on television is a handful of TV shows. I mean,

it's like billions. Couple more. I mean, what it really is, like, based in reality is like, those kind of shows, but it's sports, and not only watch basketball anymore, and I wouldn't I wouldn't watch football. If it wasn't connected me and my 11 other friends in a fantasy league, right? It's like everything. Everything has changed. We don't care what's on TV, unless it's about us. You know? And like I said, that's a real, that's a real problem to them. Yeah. So I know people say

are you saying going to be a PSA? Alright, so I have the vaccine. For this binary thinking. Let me describe five levels of listening itself. You might say it's a continuum of listening. The lowest level is to not listen at all, we could almost use the word you ignore somebody, you're not even there hardly at all. You're just into your own world or whatever. The second level, is you pretend to

listen. You may learn the body language and give the you know, even the mimicking responses of the last person sentence. It's called being married. The third level is to listen selectively. You are really hearing. Oh, yeah, that reminds me. Let me share. Oh, I agree with that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, what you said back there, I know exactly what you mean, I've had the same kind of experience.

Well, I don't know about that. I mean, you did understand. But your mind is so into your own hot buttons, that you're listening always in terms of those buttons and those interests. But you did understand. The fourth level is to listen attentively. You're really giving full attention out of real sincerity, that takes a lot of energy, really to attend to another. But still, you're into your head. The fifth is to listen empathically to leave your head to get into their head and their heart.

Oh, that's good. Where's this from? This is Dr. Stephen R. Covey, my main man for the Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, ah, and it's empathetic listening. That's the vaccine. And that's what we do on the show. We come here not we're not just attentive to each other. We come to listen to each other. I want to get in your head, you want to get my head, like what makes? You know, why do you think that

way? Why don't we just the follow up questions. And this is based off one of the seven habits of seek first to understand then to be understood. That's the vaccine to this, folks. That's it. And it's it's really hard. It's really, really hard for a lot of people. And I know, I so I see all five of those levels, just by the feedback we get from the podcast. Yep. Yeah, it's like, Wow, did did you hear it that way? Like, you thought I said,

What is really interesting? But yeah, level five is where we want to be. And it's, it's tough. It's, it's very difficult. But I don't think it is. I think a lot of people find it very challenging. There's so many distractions just to look at someone and listen to what they're saying. That's the point, right? The distractions, man, you can just sit here for three, three and a half hours, less full Eclipse,

two microphones, and we listen to each other. You're in my head, you're literally on my head loud, too. Right? I'm not gonna I'm not sitting here waiting for my turn to talk. You know, it's like, you ask follow up questions. No, did you? We use analogies and those kinds of things. But it's, I'm not coming here just to talk. I'm coming here to listen to understand, you know, and you're like, Well, I didn't see

it that way. Obviously, if you say you've heard me now, if you understood what I said, but I'm just saying this is what we need to do with our families. And this is I find this to be a real problem. In one sense, but this is why the alt media kicks. mainstream media's but because when they have two people having a conversation, they're doing lines. scripts, yeah, they're reading script, even eat Even the the White House press briefings the questions are known beforehand.

But most of the congressional hearings that you see questions are known beforehand. It's all scripted. It's all all of its line. Whenever they say I'll talk to you about that in closed session. Yeah, you're going off the script here. Stop it. But that's why people don't find it interesting. Because I almost say my line Yes. I say my lines just yet acting Exactly. Right. So this is why this this this thing that you created, I gotta give you a credit is you actually have people sit down.

We have we're having a conversation the person is listening to as part of the conversation in a passive way. But they're even seeking first to understand and then there's a feedback loop. They can write us a note ask this question. Oh, you can't do that. You can't do that with a you can't do that with CNN. The loves is the feedback loop. Yep, I have things I want to talk about but the Love is like Oh, let me

answer that question. Oh, well you made a great point there oh it's engagement you know this is this is how we win because this stops the binary thing it's like hold on let me first understand

what you're saying. Let me make sure I got this straight Adam I have also noticed you know the no agenda audiences I think very forgiving but did they do come from all ends of the spectrum but in this recent round, after the Q anon I would say now the Vax antivax just in general the all the tension even I know agenda social which is no Jenna social calm we're federated to mastodon serve like Twitter only open source and not filled with evil algos, I can tell people are a little bit more on edge.

And even though they are all talking to each other, there's been a noticeable uptick for me in the what I'm seeing and stress stress levels people are a little bit on edge. And and and that and that always diminishes the listening capability. Yep, that no agenda family is not immune. The facts family is not immune, because we're still a family. That's right. And that's my point is you see how this father saved his daughter

from committing suicide. And awareness was driven between them off of what reality is like home, your reality can be different in my reality. I can never know what you how you see the world. I can never know. I mean, only thing you could do is try to relate to me how you understand it, and then it takes for me to say okay, I'm gonna sit here Be quiet. Listen, really listen, like really? Try to put myself in your shoes. And that's what Malcolm X is saying. Come to the table. Right? Put

your put your emotions to the side. Because that's the first thing I don't like that. Oh, no. Oh, he said then that's what the family know. Oh, he said conspiracy theory. Oh, he said queueing on Ah, oh, he said this and this both sides? Yeah. Because q&a. I'll be honest with you, I might offend some of the q&a people out there. He's not about a secret society. It's like, Oh, we know something you don't know. Haha, here's an all

we know what that means. You know, Oh, look at that hand gesture all you don't know, it was that kind of thing. It was really well done the game theory. And q anon was well constructed. You know, with the proofs, and the and the rabbit hole and the all this stuff that all these little terms, very well constructed. And honestly, a lot of it was damn good mo I looked at stuff and we're like, that's got to be true. But it was very entertaining. Which 90% of people that got

into it, it was entertainment. Yeah. Cuz it's like, Dungeons and Dragons are something that like, you know, like, oh, I'll pick up my phone and get engaged for a little while, you know, to see if I can like a scavenger hunt. Like, that symbol, that kind of thing. I didn't really get into it like that, because it was so readily available. I might hold on who's pushing this thing like really like, I mean, that was just me. I'm always

skeptical. But you ready for your second jab at a vaccine, I'm ready, Bring it on, doctor. Let's go is to listen empathically to leave your head to get into their head and their heart. Not that you are trying to sympathize or agree or disagree you take no position at all. Remember how we have used the iceberg as a kind of metaphor? Well, it really pertains to the subject of empathy, and communication. We talked about the tip being just

the technique. You know what the great mass of the iceberg is the motive The deeper attitude? Are you really anxious to understand? Now, the magic really comes from the human affirmation process. If we were to suck the air out of this room right now, what would happen to our interests that align? Now we have air, does air motivate us? What is it that motivates us? The absence of air, the psychological equivalent of air is to feel understood. It is the deepest

hunger of the human heart. But to give someone psychological air, it's makes it almost impossible for someone to fight you know, that's great. And if, if understanding is air, what is being dismissive? choking? Right? You in mass, we gave the analogy of the air and now air is not being sucked out of the room, but our freedoms are slow, we're slowly gonna, when that when that boot comes down, and you start your freedoms, like, Oh, you can't

say that. You can't do that. You can't go there. You can't. Oh, it'll quickly align. But I want to say that because I've heard some things being said, people not being able to see their grandkids. family, or I'm talking about like, in my inner circle, and you know, in the facts, family, you know, no, no gender family as well, is, you don't let your kids talk. Okay, I understand one thing, if you don't let that visit, if you're hardcore Vax, to antibiotic, whatever side you're on, but not

even to talk to the grandparents. But where are we? Where are we headed? Seriously? Where are we really had it and I didn't, I wanted to do this show to really address that, to show how we're being sucked in to, you know, binary thinking, right? But logic will not get us out of this Mo, if I've learned a lot of things from you. The first one is you got to break a spell, you can't be can't give a spell logic, that's not going to work, you've got to break it. And that and and however that

works. It also has to be done amongst family members somehow. seek first to understand then to be understood, and but that goes counter narrative counter to human survival. And that's the reptilian brain, right? Yeah. Yeah, you're right, the real reptile right is, I need to be heard First, I need to be understood. First, I need to be you know, that, that kind of thing. And me, me me first, because that's the human condition is to put yourself first, but when you really,

really say, okay, make me understand. You know, that kind of thing. So I wanted to bring that into the show, because what we're about to talk about next, is gonna take understanding, and it's part of the Q nine, it's part of the misinformation and it's a lot of stuff going on behind it. And that is talking about where we're at. 26 Yeah, 26 This is the result of neighbors reporting neighbors.

I'm thinking, this is an event you know, this is a crowd event and, and, and it was a real, very surreal feeling, because there was also a platform, which later there was saying was going to be the inauguration platform. There were a bunch of people out there and we thought I thought that there was going to be a speaker, somebody was going to say something. And all of a sudden they unfurled this huge had to be 70 foot American flag. I get goosebumps thinking about it, and everybody went wild.

And you will have a an not only an FBI raid of your apartment, but an FBI raid of your mother's apartment. Let's fast forward a little bit and talk about that. What What happened there? Well, I was saying my mother's because my mother is still in rehab. She's in a rehab home facility. So I was spending time there trying to clean up for her because I went to make it we'll wheelchair access. They had visited me at her house on February 4 Thursday for agents. They asked me if I was an Tifa

blah, blah, blah. I said no, I gave him a copy of the videos I had shot. So I said okay, fine. Everything is fine. A week later at 6am in the morning, I'm sleeping on the couch at my mother's place and is banging open a door Open the door FBI FBI. So I get up I'm half asleep I open the door and they're like these eight to 10 tactically dress, I guess soldiers with jttf on one of them was pointing an automatic rifle at me. An automatic Yeah, automatic like an assault weapon. About five

feet away he was I guess that's the procedure for them. But you know you don't wake up. You open a door you have soldiers at your door with a thing aimed at you. Yeah, yeah. So we got this I set that up poorly. I'm sorry about that. I lost my place. But this is Joseph Bolanos, and he's a political independent. Those democratically vote for the Democrats. He went down to the rally didn't go inside the Capitol didn't go inside. And you heard the results of what

happened. Not only did they write his place they re he raided his mother's house who suffers from dementia Did he say that ATF or a TTF you might want to listen to that again. I was saying my mother's because my mother is still in requests I want to make it we'll Thursday for agents they asked me if I was an Tifa and blah blah blah. I said no, I gave a cop couch at my mother's place. And there's banging open a door Open the

door FBI FBI. So I get up I'm half asleep I open the door and they're like these eight to 10 tactically dress I guess soldiers with jttf on yeah a TTF so that's not alcohol tobacco and firearms. That's an anti terrorists Hold on. I've heard of these jokes before anti Terrorism Task Force whoo there you go tear anti Terrorism Task Force get your mom out of bed eight to eight to 10 people showing up um but what I'm saying and they asked him where are you anti that's that's a

weird question i and Tifa Yeah, interesting. Right right. What is that what was that question but let's just get into them when he's talking to dinesh d'souza which he had his own issues with the railroad it did by the government. Was that that was one of the most he went to he went to jail. Yeah. Put him in jail bundling of all things. I mean that but that's if you say that are your kuna. easily see how easily I can go like he went to jail for

things are normally done in politics. No, no, no, that's q&a. That sounds like you're on me. But let's get back to Joseph Bolanos and what happened to decelerate? And is it a fact that the the reason that they did that was that somebody kind of, quote ratted you out? In other words, it said that, oh, yeah, this is the guy who was at the Capitol. And the FBI evidently went to a district judge Gabriel gorenstein, who gave them a warrant to make the search. And

I want to emphasize, you never went in the Capitol. But nevertheless, based on some information the FBI got they were able to convince a judge that there was probable cause to make this armed raid. Got one to show how on so little, I mean, clearly, they didn't have evidence you got in the Capitol because you never did. But nevertheless, they come storming down your door and pick up the story from there because like you said, you went down to the station. And then what happened?

The big mystery is exactly what you just stated is that how can the FBI do so much? I mean, double teams, raids, search warrants, what have you on the word of one person on a tip line, and in the last year, we've had during COVID three or four people who have radicalized someone, they become political, and again, as a black president for 23 years I've always been apolitical because I like to stress the commonality of our neighbors nothing political because the vitriol starts

flowing. In this case this individual was was actually interviewed by a local TV station and he claimed that he walked by the the cafe where I was sitting at and then I was bragging about being in Washington and I had footage or video of the Capital One anonymous phone call tip that's all it that's all pay attention that's

great. And then he didn't even have a conversation when he walked past him you're saying bragging and boasting which I'm sure he was, Hey, I went down to the car I was there you know that kind of you know, out like I said, I'm just gonna be middle row with it that say, even if he was to say, you know, look, look at my pictures I was there, you know, that kind of thing. You know, bragging. That shouldn't get your house raining? No.

Where are we at? Like, seriously, folks? Folks pay attention, one call. Yeah, but this is tyrannical government mode. This is not just a family issue, one anonymous phone call. What I'm saying is what when they start your family starts making that call like this weird stuff that already happened, that's happening. Notice that that's where we're headed, but that's Gary, but you

know what, that's nothing new. Because if you're familiar with the drug laws and drug conspiracy laws, this is nothing new. Five and a half years, I was the United States Attorney for the Western District of Virginia. Mandy, from my understanding, was only involved for a couple of months with this conspiracy, and it was her boyfriend who was the more substantial member of

that conspiracy. But the way the law works is if you're in a conspiracy, you are legally responsible, not just for what you do yourself, but for what the conspiracy does, as long as

it's foreseeable to you. So if you are the girlfriend of a drug dealer, like Mandy Martinson, and you have reason to know that he is receiving large quantities from a supplier and then redistributing those quantities to various mid level distributors, even if you never touch those drugs, even if you never benefit from them in any way, if you're in the conspiracy, and you're aware of the quantity, then you're

legally responsible for that quantity. It's like any other business, the person who stands at the counter of the store and collects money from a customer and puts it into the cash register. She's a viable part of the entire business. And is is part of the reason why the business makes lots of money, even if she's not there. Every shift isn't there for every single transaction. It's the same thing in a drug conspiracy.

And that's a very powerful weapon for prosecutor because a prosecutor can say to Amanda Martinson, look, you're responsible for everything that your boyfriend did everything that the people he was dealing with did, because you were present when it happened, it was foreseeable to you, even if she never touched any of that it's hard for people to get their mind around. But it conspiracy allows under the law to charge people with really substantial quantities beyond what they perceive.

Well, that's kind of good. That's kind of good news. That's kind of good guys. Well, because once you once we get one, then we'll Oh, it's like you You knew that. Your your fellow politician was doing this and you worried on that. And I mean, no, no, no, no, no, they were like that. Yeah, well, yeah. In the tribunals. Yes, it will. It will sound that cue. Hope you nailed it there. Another thing I got to write down. I love that.

Hey, listen. Oh, we've already got one sealed indictment down 999 to go mo I'm counting them. No reason why I say that is if that was the case, then politicians would have been locked up because we can say hey, you knew about that, that kind of thing. But it doesn't work like that. No, but clearly the reason why I point this out is this is how the war on drugs worked. Catch two fish. Because then a drug and drug appears conspiracy. I think you had to

have two people say they bought drugs from you. So you catch two small fish to Hey, did you buy drugs from Tony? Yeah. Did you buy drugs from Tony? Yeah, go get Tony done. Right. Done. It doesn't matter. If you apply that to what Joseph went through. Oh, you should have known that we're going to storm the capital. Once you're doing out there on the blog. Hmm. It was saying you deserve to be roust in the real sick part

about it is and this is a little sad. But what percentage of trials the mean what percentage of cases do you think go to trial? Of what kind? Oh, well, criminal criminal? I don't know. It depends on the state. But I don't know. Let's just take a while again, just take it what percentage of cases actually go to trial? Winning some Jeopardy music. criminal cases, criminal cases how many you think

you'd be hoping that it was quite a high number? You'd be hoping in the at least the high 70s 3% and what happens to the rest? plead out? Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah. So what I'm saying is this is how the drug conspiracy game work. To people say you're selling drugs. You're done. Hey, Tony, you're facing 20 right? Yeah, yeah. And you saw Yeah, you saw that in the wire all the time.

Right. So the point I'm making is you're gonna have a lot of people that didn't do anything comp and please because like I don't want to face I don't want to gamble my life on 20 years on a conspiracy. I mean, how do you disprove a conspiracy I mean like that's that's like the hardest thing to be okay. So what you're saying is the the January six people who have who are still many still in jail. That's really the conundrum for them is because if if there's two people who say,

Oh, yeah, I saw that guy. I saw him over there. You're in the conspiracy because it's been claimed to conceal Seeing at that point, it's easier to just plead out, which, which of course, these white guys learn from, from their black brothers for similar reasons. And if you consider yourself a political prisoner, you can't plead out. Because you're there for the cause. Right to see how that works is I can say, this this system has been set up the apparatus is there is just you targeted towards

whatever group you want to target it towards. That's the same thing with the guys we were talking about. With the staying in the early part of the show, yeah. Experience. Oh, yeah, they wouldn't do it. Yeah, well, we got proof here that they were gonna do it. So. But I'm just saying, so that's this thing has been around a conspiracy. But now they're gonna start weaponizing. That's very scary. So anybody could come and say,

Oh, yeah, I'm never going to take part in this. You got two people who say it, and you put me in jail, I have to play it out. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fight anybody. You want to go home today and be on probation or you want to fight between disbarred? I mean, even you had a lot of people take cases that don't even have anything to do with, because the odds is just, I don't want I don't want to take those odds. Right, right. It's a very nasty system. I

wasn't I wasn't aware of that. I wasn't aware of the 3% number. And, and when you said plead out, yeah. Okay. Makes sense. That's a nasty system. How do you beat that? I mean, like, how do you, you know, so I'm just, I started with us, they don't end with us always say that they started with us. But it doesn't end with this.

But let's go back to Joseph and his final clip, I want to talk about the element of media humiliation, because as I understand it, when you are handcuffed and taken out of the car, there was an NBC NBC camera crew that had been tipped off about the raid, and they were there to sort of film you. And so what I'm talking about is it's not just a matter because I mean, I've I know what this degradation feels like. But it's always magnified when you've got flashing lights and people

shouting questions at you. Is it not a fact that you have actually had two strokes subsequent to what happened to you? And would it be reasonable to assume that that at the very least these events contributed to those without a doubt these events did contribute the first stroke was considered mild they said, although in the ambulance directed show, I pulled the ambulance, right because my blood pressure was 220 over 143 which is hypertensive crisis,

which is close to serious, serious stroke. And then I had another stroke about 100 days after the first mild one, which makes best begs the question if it's so mild, do I have another one under days later? So in the second one was a lot more a lot more severe. Now regarding NBC there's an interesting fact here because often you hear the FBI when someone comments or questions I'm about an investigation to go we can

comment because it's an ongoing investigation. Now the guy who did the NBC story is a guy named Jonathan Dean's his partner okay at NBC is the former spokesman for the FBI so how does this guy coincidently have a camera man show up Don't worry flashing lights right and it was just one camera man, but that kind of

tripped me off. So you have NBC with that former FBI spokesman with the FBI doing a raid I mean, common sense says that there's a linkage there somehow because it's not a coincidence that there's gambling going on there. For fear satellite, que nada with a mockingbird, but like I said, I don't want to end up on anybody's list. But FBI to NBC that's just down the hall you're saying like Zuckerberg and Mueller these people are in

bed together? Yeah. It's this it's the same thing but that's a mate two strokes. And that and you know, the way that works with Zuckerberg is a good example. Government pressures that you know, it's like what what have you What did you hear you don't hear much about anymore? Yeah, we're thinking about perhaps regulating you section 230 come back and talk a little bit you have a gas you from your more questions. So you know, it's

like they're also pressured through the entire system. They have to do what whatever they do in order to survive because they're there. They are, in fact too big to fail. Well, mamas cover your baby's ears. How much do we need to drink or bird? I was wanting to do we need to trigger a trigger warning. No, not sugar. Cookie monster.com content. Okay, Zuckerberg is the government's bitch. Let's just be honest here. All the big techies, we know who created These these

companies. I mean, come come. That's the narrative like he's in his computer, his dorm room, he's writing up Facebook code, but knock it off. He was saying they had they, they they pin him to say, Okay, he's the face of the organization, right. Unless they like you said they have mobile Barrow, give us the information. Oh, we will we'll what's the what's the tax benefit? They're they're allowed to have or whether or not treated as a utility.

I forget what it's called a section 230 or title, section 230. Yeah. Well, there's that. Yeah. And also the anti trust and, but But make no mistake. It's, the government is in this too. If you look at the, if you look at the history of Google shots, that's what they're calling the shots. Right? Right. Yeah, but but it's not really the but it's not the politicians. The politicians have their own leverage, but you

have to look at which politician has real power. And that always comes from either CIA, preferably or FBI. Careful, Carrie curry koubou. Anybody say deep state? Easy. They're not Hey, I'm no queuing on man. I don't say no deep sleep. That's where we got to be. He said deep state. But that's, we laugh about it is gallows humor, but that's where we're at. Because if you believe Apple, Facebook, Google can operate the way they want to, if they will give one man all that power.

Now, don't worry, don't worry like that. It's like Zuckerberg and notice they always call them now whenever they want to do you bet whoever not and it's not the politicians. But they they are doing the work of their their bidders, too, right? It's like a brings up down and bring them down a notch. You're saying he's getting a little you're saying he's getting a little a little you're headed up? I don't know, make you take you down a notch.

But that's that's how it works. And as people that will never be voted out that call the shots? Because they don't you know, we don't elect our leaders, the real leaders, the real ones. They're supposed to be representatives. But they can't even do that. Now, I use leaders for that we don't elect our leaders. There you go. We don't we don't don't even vote for him. It's not they're not on the list. not on the list. Like you just you're not on the list. That's exactly.

So going back to 60 minutes and back to Q anon and how corrosive it is at Homeland Security when you were there was q1 on on your radar as a threat. The general consensus at that time period was it could be a low level policing concern because we had a few incidents of people conducting violence but by and large, its ideology is not one that promotes violence. At least at that time, what shifted what turned q anon into a more violent kind of conspiracy group.

It didn't become a violence problem until Donald Trump lost the election and then they felt like oh, well, we better fix that. Because otherwise Donald Trump can't fix this other big problem the deep state. state. Q anon supporters charged into battle with the crowd storming the Capitol on January 6. Some were easy to spot with their cue signs and cute chance. Inside officer Eugene Goodman staved off rioters led by a man

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the donation page. Mo fund me.com mofund.com and thank you for producing Episode 67 so actually Babbitt I see her as the counterbalance to the George fluid because it's the it's the other end of the spectrum, right? I mean, it couldn't get more more than more and more 180 degrees opposite agreed. Right it screws with people's heads. And that's why I was very conscious of time when I discussed about this um, which didn't know this is a very important portion of the show.

So let's get first into the media's coverage of what happened at the Capitol with Ashley Babbitt. This morning new details about 35 year old Ashley Babbitt, who was shot and killed by a Capitol Police Officer. video captures the moment she fell to the ground during the chaos. as others warned of the danger. medics then rushing her to the hospital, but she later died. A documentarian says he witnessed the shooting to go in, like going strong. And next thing I know she was shot.

I do remember yelling guns when I saw guns and trying to warn her from going in like it was like very slow motion because I was trying to in my mind trying to capture the scene inside the house chamber that broke the glass. lawmakers were hiding including congressman markwayne Mullen, who was defending the officers actions. He didn't have a choice at that time the mob was going to come through the door there was a lot of members and staff that were in danger at the time.

Babbitt was a 12 year Air Force veteran living in San Diego with her husband. Her family describes her as loving and says she was a staunch supporter of the President. She's knowing her grandfather says Babbitt attended every Trump rally she could excellent patriot. Ever Donald Trump fan. She served time in the military. She's passionate about everything, particularly Donald Trump for some reason. The US Capitol Police officer who shot Babbitt is now on leave pending an investigation.

Yes. Which we're going to get to him next officer bird but first we got to get some background on Ashley Babbitt. And this is from Dr. Todd grande day, which is a psychiatrist from Arlington, Virginia. Well, I think he's an author as well. So he's gonna get into the background of actually Babbitt. So I'll start with the background, I'll talk about the conspiratorial thinking and I'll move to my analysis about the shooting. At the time of her death. Ashley Babbitt was 35

years old. She served in the Air Force and Air National Guard for many years. Her service Included multiple deployments to Iraq. She lived in Maryland for many years. She was married when she was there. She divorced and moved to San Diego and remarried

in 2019. Babbitt had no children. Her parents, her grandfather and four brothers lived in San Diego on January 6 2021, she was one of the many protesters who stormed the Capitol building in washington dc in what appears to be an attempt to disrupt the certification of the 2020

presidential election. inside the building. She was with a number of other protesters in front of these double doors that led to the speaker's lobby, a hallway that connects to the House of Representatives chamber not far from this members of Congress were sheltering in place. So there was a lot of chaos a number of protesters yelling, banging on the doors, breaking windows, it was a time of great stress caused by these

protesters. It is clear in the videos that the doors are barricaded from the other side which should serve as a subtle hint that trying to pass through those doors may be an unpopular

decision. Babbitt was wearing what looked to be a Trump flag as a cape Okay, so this is where depending on what lens you're looking at this through if it was a black male unarmed going through a window I don't care how many berries it was it it might you can't shoot it on on person but here we have a white female veteran who was a rack shot unarmed and it was like it was a 180 degree the you know the media response not even media on social media is like yeah she deserved the

same people were saying cops shouldn't shoot people are people and insane people were saying that all summer you know no person our property you know property over human lives and those kinds of things like Yeah, she had it coming to her which I found it to be maybe fastest of all struck I was awestruck is like wow like it really doesn't matter what there's no ideology behind this is strictly binary is eat now it's okay to shoot

her because it fits your narrative. I'm in a boat that no unarmed person should be shot I mean like I don't care who you

are, I don't care what you're doing. But I also would like to bring up the fact of when we talked about the broken glass when that glass breaks that's a symbol of civility um, and these people were charged up now but I found it fascinating that once side saying she shouldn't the same side well you you do a crime you killed him the act of a crime you know is justified that sounds like How dare you shoot her and then the other side is like you should never shoot person was cheering the

cops on it was like his his total mind screw so I don't know how you took what you took away from well interestingly, I that is not considered what you just said in that comparison. It's fine. It's very valid. It's very good. It I mean, but we have a lot of these we have my body my choice for abortion, my body my choice, but not for mandatory vaccines. I mean, so these binary I just have, I have no other word mind fucks are being launched at us like blow darts to the brain.

And perfectly balanced. Like I said, you can't get more balanced and counterbalance with these two people when we look at actually Batman and George Floyd. Um, the way they were handled by the media and then how they were consumed by the public at large. With that said, I want to get into the second clip. Now just I want to say and I'm gonna leave, it cannot lead you But imagine if you hear these things about a unarmed black man shot in America.

Babbitt had some prior run ins with law enforcement. In 2016. She was issued a peace order, which is essentially the state of Maryland's version of a restraining order and charged with reckless endangerment and the malicious destruction of property. This appears to have been connected to a road rage incident. She hit a woman's car three times and chased her

through the streets. From what I understand the victim was a woman who had previously dated Babbitt's boyfriend at that time, that it was found not guilty of both charges in 27 Teen a second piece order was issued, and she was charged with willful motor vehicle damage without the owner's consent. In 2019. a complaint was filed against her for aggressive driving, but it was thrown out because of a jurisdiction

related problem. Ashley Babbitt appeared to have a number of unusual beliefs that may have contributed to her criminal behavior. Her posts on social media appear to indicate that

she believed in conspiracy theories. one specific conspiracy theory that she is associated with is q anon she made a reference to the storm in a tweet the day before death she was seen wearing a que Amnon shirt and a photo on social media and she also posted a hashtag that refers to the phrase where we go one we go all which is also associated with that same conspiracy theory. Wow, I didn't know about the priors.

Yeah, that's well, now imagine what Nope, and I can't because we had all the priors with George Floyd. We had a hole in the gun up to the pregnant woman's belly drugs etc. And what was said that doesn't matter at the time of him being

killed no other guy was the other guy. I mean something Blake it slipped my mind but he actually was coming over to attack his baby mama when he was shot seven times he didn't die but the vice president you're saying now now a Vice President went and visited him or did a video call with him you know Jacob Blake that's his name but what I'm saying is but on the other side of this I was critical of Candace Owens for this about bringing up people's past yes you're saying to

deflect yep so I'm just saying like you just said it's no we're not immune is what you're saying. Right?

We're no one's immune and they they create these narratives in the media to it so you can play it out nobody's based in ideology at all it's about my team your team like I said red blue white 100 and and this is another thing and we've seen what I think the what's the case now with Gabby the the white lady it was killed in the whole princess or what is called the princess effect or how white women are covered in the media Yes, yeah,

yeah. Here's the white lady that was killed unarmed meets a man we ain't touching that now you were queuing on you were saying she deserved she had it coming in like I said a snatch the pebbles from my hand grasshopper You may go now you have surpassed me I have to write this down for myself I can't believe that I that I didn't see this I didn't see it but that said that's why we come here and have the conversation that way well there's two of us here I

know it's amazing man I'm very I'm very proud on social media with disgusting light for any human light to be taking power she had it coming in I I'm very impressed with your your ability to to see that I'm because I know how it should be covered any other time on ARM white lady get shot in America she shouldn't be the bad guy I mean to me was the you know the general response to Joy Joy read saying you know white woman that's what that's why it's getting all this

coverage and the general response that I saw which of course should have been Oh yeah, well why aren't you covering Ashley Babbitt etc. was well because when it's a black woman, most of the time is killed by black man. And you don't want to tell anybody that most of the time is interracial anytime somebody say that that's it's amazing how they do these mind tricks on people. And that's why I'm telling people like be based in it be based in

something like that's why I'm big on law. That's why I'm big on math. It's logic, right? It's okay, I can make sense of this. When you are based solely in teams and sides and those kinds of things. Yeah, you don't you don't work. They can jerk you around. I mean, they can they can completely jerk you around and tell you what it does. It makes you look silly.

Because it's like, oh, no, I thought you were pro cops. Or anti cops and like it's like it's it's the perfect monster like you said, But um, yeah, I was just, I was like, if I heard like, If they said, innocent, unarmed we're not not We're innocent cuz she was committing a crime but innocent in the fact of not being a threat to an armed person if that was a black man coming through a window and a white man has shot him. all hell broke loose. Again. Oh yeah.

Oh absolutely. you're nailing that you're nailing that. Yep. All right, so let's go ahead and go to the 35. Here's a summary of what the followers of this conspiracy theory belief. They believe there's an evil organization made up of people who worship Satan, and they also cause other types of harm. The leaders of this evil organization tend to be entertainers and politicians. Donald Trump is a part of this

ongoing battle with these evil people. Ashley Babbitt had a particular dedication to Trump, she was a militant supporter of his at some point drilling will bring about what the followers referred to as the storm, and the Great Awakening, again, Babbitt's specifically referred to the storm, the storm is when Trump will rest the evildoers and send them to prison. The storm is really about aggression, and revenge, it's when the conspiracy theorist will punish the people who

laughed at them. Now the Great Awakening is different. This is when the beliefs of the followers will be validated, when all the people in the world will realize that this whole time along the followers were correct. So these conspiracy theorists actually believe that they have some type of special knowledge, perhaps they are chosen, or just incredibly intelligent, and they can see and understand what the rest of the population cannot. So everybody's being fooled, except

them. After the storm in the Great Awakening, a utopia will be established. And the followers of the conspiracy theory will be exalted as heroes, people who save the world from certain destruction. Yeah, that sums it up pretty well, I'd say. What once again there, Megan Q and on the opposite the polar opposite of science, we're in the same way or the same paradigm, but it's a polar opposite of we have secret knowledge that you can't understand, isn't it? how

science is put on us? You You, you know, you can't research your research. Like, you have a PhD and, you know, whatever you're saying whatever science or, you know, you didn't you didn't code Microsoft. You know, that didn't make you a expert on vaccines, you know, that kind of thing. So but it's the opposite end of it that you don't know what these symbols mean. You know, you can't interpret this language. The signs that we're being given, it's a religion. Well, not another religion. That's

a technocratic religion. Yeah, the technocrats that the the experts know best. And they just have to be managed in the messaging is funneled, and there's consensus and that's technocrats. That's and that's, that's 1984 technocrats. Yeah. So like I said, they put these people in the same boat, but they don't realize it like You sound just like the scientists. But you can't understand this. You don't have enough brain power to decide what goes in your body for

yourself. Like what like how? Yeah, so but I found it fascinating. And I bet you that's the first time in world history that military has been used in the same sense that with a white woman, because militant were reserved for black men and black women the like, how was her who was the was the famous black female Black Panther. Ah, stylish decor. Yes. Yeah, she would be she would be classified as militant.

Right, but I never heard that term. No. Welcome to the bottom I tell you when I say this, I say in jest you start throwing around like Mills I almost fell off my chair when I heard that that one was doing for me. I was like militant. I've never heard that used for our Caucasian or white female. I never heard I mean, my right I'm searching my brain. I think you're right. Wow. So he was more left leaning if I had to guess, more of the

mainstream media type coverage of it. Now we got to go out the outtake with claim book and get their take on not only we're not going to really talk about Ashley Babbitt but more of officer burn and his coverage in media interview last night on NBC News with Lieutenant Michael Byrd, who it's been rumored I think on the internet for a while that he was in fact The the individual involved here, but he is the Capitol Hill police officer who shot Ashley Bab in the neck, no

clay and I, you know, I've had some background in law enforcement and, and baseline tactical training. Clay obviously is a lawyer, we wanted to go through some of this. And really, first of all, it was a, they couldn't have tried to make it a more favorable platform for officer burns narrative, you'll hear that yourself. We want to take this though piece by piece and address. I mean, for me, this is the whole thing is outrageous, because the politics involved are quite clear in

terms of how this has been handled. But let's start with Michael Byrd, saying that he showed tremendous courage in the shooting of the course I do. That is very vital point. And it's something that is frightening. I believe I showed the most carriage on January 6, and it's time for me to do that now. The utmost courage clay. I have you heard any of the officers involved in fatal shootings that got a lot of national attention? And including times when an assailant was reaching for a gun

or going for a knife? Have you heard any of them ever say, Well, I showed tremendous courage and shooting that person? No. And if they did, we already have protests. But there would be mass rioting in the streets. Yeah, clean buck. They took rush limbaugh slot. Yeah. Can you imagine the cop or cops that shot Briana Taylor say really courageous that day, we're I'll show some courage. But Matt, just just let that soak in. And I didn't I usually don't use sound bites. But Lieutenant Byrd, I'm going

to let you know now on the last tapes. I'm going to go through that majority of that 36 minute interview, sit down with him good because I didn't want to, like I said they've been this has been a nine hour show. Just breaking that down in itself. But once again, of all the officers. It had to be a black man. Yeah, not a white woman. Are you kidding? Me? So but you know, if you say that, and this was something that has been hammered out incessantly, you know, it's

called What about ism. So it's like, well, if that were Trump, but this is so it's such a cool way of showing it. It's like please look at the polar opposites of the of the situation. That if you're thinking and speaking binary, because it was make your site right or wrong, what I'm doing is and what we're doing is looking at the nuances of the story, and say look at

this is perfect, in a tear in a tragic way. But in perfect that you have the black black man that pulled the trigger in America, the shadow white on unarmed woman that was going into property, we are awesome or property doesn't. You're saying human lives Trump property? But it was like, Okay, yeah, cool. I don't know. I'm all for it. Cuz she was militant? Like, I could say, but I knew he was black. When I didn't bring him out. When they hit him. for that long. I was like, yeah, yeah.

And there's a timing. There's a timing that goes with this. It was why they brought him out and when they brought him out, but let's let clay and buck finish up first, just think what the reaction would be on Black Lives Matter. If a white police officer who shot an unarmed protester had said all of these things, what the reaction would be compared to

the comparative crickets. In response to this, let's just keep playing these clips because, again, I think a large part of our audience has not heard all of these quotes, and certainly as you said, Buck, this gentleman had not even been named prior to this interview that he just decided to do. Here he is discussing that he believed Ashley Babbitt was posing an imminent threat. Remember, this is a an unarmed woman, still on the other side of the door, trying to break in

and open a door. He has the gun drawn for quite as plenty of time he can see exactly what's going on. It's on video, we have video of this encounter. Here is what he says had been yelling and screaming as loud as I was. Please stop, get back, get back. Stop. We have a weapon strong. We see your arm out there for a considerable amount of time. Are we wavering? I was taking a tactical stance, you're ultimately hoping that

your commands will be complied with? And unfortunately, they were not what did you think as individuals doing it that he was posing a threat to the United States? House of Representatives? Not threat to me, not a threat to me. Listen to what he said again, at the very last 15 seconds. I'm sorry about that. Yeah, no, it's no problem. Yeah, you were so right about that the holding that your commands will be complied with? And unfortunately, they were not what did you think as

individuals doing it? He was posing a threat to United States House of Representatives. Oh, first of all, he says that she wasn't responding to his commands. What? I didn't hear him command anything on any audio. Right. And then the other thing is, he didn't say she was a threat to me. Which I think that's imminent threat is to you, not to whatever you're protecting. I'm not sure what the rules are. I'm not sure what for I could say from my law degree from SBU. Law order Fbu.

I'm a proud graduate. That's how I understand it to be it has to be your life needs to be now it might be different from federal police or Capitol Police. I don't know what you're saying he meant he didn't say me. He didn't say she was a threat to me. If he said that, I wouldn't even say okay, well, you don't know what a person has. Right. You know, you know, I would take it differently. But I can say I don't want to be but I don't want to belabor the point. But it was just fascinating. I could

say this. You say psyops, and I don't use that word. I don't use that word. You're saying it, but what are you doing here? What what are we doing here? Seriously? What what? How could you? How could you make you couldn't if you wrote this to my without a script out? Like No, I'm really disappointed in myself. It because, you know, I see all these things, but I didn't see it all the way

through. And I'm really happy that you brought this up and how you unfolded this because I Gosh, I mean, obviously, it's the whole system does this. You know, there was another example today where President Biden said or his Jen circle back Jen said, well, President Biden is not taking questions from the press because you're not on point you're not asking questions that

are about the meeting that he's having. And I'm like, holy shit, you know, it's like that was if Trump said that as they would always ask questions had nothing to do with the with the world leader who was sitting there with them with taxes. Are you really sure taxes? Yeah, so So I mean, 45 savage was, you know, his his message is become a bit cliche, but they really are public enemy number one, a him in America, Mexico. But there's a reason if you forgive

yourself, there's a reason why you didn't get into this. There was something simultaneously going on. At the time when Lieutenant Byrd came out and had his interview that could possibly be a smokescreen. 38 I'm joined now by Congressman Madeline dean of Pennsylvania, one of the lawmakers whose life officer Byrd was protecting that day and Congresswoman I just want to give you the opportunity to react what you've just seen and heard. First, joy, thank you for including me on this

heartbreaking day. Yeah, for our country. And so my sympathies to the servicemembers families to the 13. Now, I guess that we have lost in 15 wounded and, of course, scores of Afghans and others. I condemn the terrorist attacks, we have to continue on this mission. But joy, that interview, I was staggered. To learn that it was Lieutenant Byrd who made that announcement on the floor of the house. For the last seven months. I have

wondered, who wasn't trying to help save our lives. I was out in the gallery that day, as they told us first sit down, prepare to lie down, then get your guest masks out from under your seat. And then that announcement, they they've infiltrated the rotunda and tear gas has been deployed. I have wondered for months, who did that to save our lives. And what I want people to know is Number one, thank you. Thank you. Number two, I hope people understand the proximity of where he was first on the

rostrum, and then where Ashley Babbitt was shot. It was feet away after Ashley Babbitt, sadly with all those other riders broke through security gate after security gate after security gate. Yeah, that would have been something to cover it up that little news. How can we I mean, it's like Bill Cosby getting convicted. He was saying at the same time, we had a what's the Kavanaugh case? How convenient. I mean, just 13 days soldiers outcomes. Lieutenant Byrd all of a sudden out of the blue.

T Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm glad you're 10 years younger than me. forgive you. Like I said, I know. You were down that rabbit hole. at work. That's true, man. Yeah, I was I was on, you know, like telegram and signal with people in Qatar in Afghanistan. Yeah, that's true. Well, again, that's why there's there's two of us. This is good news. Different beats. Yeah, different beats. But yeah, I just find that interesting. The timing of that. And the other thing I found

strange is now I've seen a lot of 24. I've seen a lot of homeland. And he shows is it really our representatives laid out where you're at? Really, that's what we're doing? What did you see those gas masks that they look like the things that drop out of the overhead bin in the airplane? I'm saying but the reaction plan is to lay down where you're at, like there's no tunnels then. I'm highly disappointed in my

government. By I mean, you take Yeah, it really we don't have secret elevators that you know, oh, no, no, some some representatives do. Absolutely. Pelosi was out real quick. They had pans out real quick. They were all in they were all in the tunnels and stuff. Oh, for sure. But you know, there's like a little room or something like, I've seen homeland? I don't know. I guess not. I guess that's all it's all fake.

I'm doubting I'm seriously disappointing. When, whenever somebody a real threat rose up, he was going to lay down on the floor. Everything. laid on the floor, everything will be okay. Everything will be okay. It'll be fine. It'll be fine. Like you say I put the airline mask on just later. She thanked me for that. I don't know who did it for seven months. I wanted to know, he was the one who put this change into place. I'm gonna lay down the floor and be a waiting target. Wow. Like

that just shocked me. But yeah, yeah. This. It was covered. It would mean to be I mean, to be honest with you, I believe it was, well, whether it was used as cover. Yeah, right. Right. The interview when I'm saying the interview with Tom Oh, totally. Yeah, let's reclaim the narrative here. We don't want to talk about Yo, get through this 24 hour news cycle right quick and then we can get better business. Um, well, we know captured the footage that you

alluded to, cuz we talked about in our show 57. Let's get into john Sullivan. And Kelly and Bob James Sullivan says he turned in tips about his brother to the FBI here in Salt Lake City. He says he believes that his brother was not only involved in the riot at the Capitol, but somehow in charge. Full disclosure, the FBI has been in contact with me. JOHN Sullivan posted to his Twitter on Wednesday, I got the call, as I said against Dave that he was going to be apprehended by the FBI.

John's brother James says he first learned his brother was at the US Capitol. When friends started texting him these pictures, then john posted the video to you. Like, I'm just trying to record what he was going in there to document it. But he also was part of the entity for groups. I also, you know, want to want to support the black community out here too, in the best way that I can. That's my belief. I believe

the Black Lives Matter. I mean, I'm not here to assert myself and my beliefs on other people. I just want to give people the footage the video, the FBI office in Salt Lake City would not confirm they were investigating Sullivan or any utahns I want to condemn absolutely condemned the shameful violence that we saw on January 6, US Capitol when it's still love, john, but again, that's something that he needs to know The criminal complaint against john includes violent entry.

john was also charged by Provo police officers back in July of 2020. For criminal mischief and rioting in Salt Lake City, Aaron Cox, Fox 13 News. Now he's talking about dividing families. Yeah. James, his brother ratted him out ratted him out now, both of you, you want to hear something very interesting course, their father, adoptive father, Major General Kevin J. Sullivan, of the United States Air Force was caught in a shady deal transferring nuclear fuse fuses via Taiwan.

Back in 2008. And now you're too black or biracial son adopted sons are in the middle of the insurgency or the storming the Capitol. That's not, of course, not connected. How did you find that? You only clips on that, or do you just not have it? No, it was the article. There was no clips. It was a big news story. I mean, if you look it up, set, it was 17. It was 17 officers that were involved. And they were caught with

transferring nuclear fuses. Oh, well, that's that's almost as good as, as the Boston bombers, you know, and their uncle is a CIA agent. What's the chances? And then, you know, come on, what's the chances? But that goes to show you that this is brother against brother. Now is it designed to be that way? I don't know. But it's just the coincidence of your dad getting caught transfuse on transferring nuclear fuses to Taiwan? In a big scandal, and then your two sons get caught up in this on

both sides of it, because one is super conservative. And one is super Black Lives Matter. liberal. Crazy What's going on? What's going on in that house? And then how are you forgot? Remember john john was a Olympic skater. Can we cover that? NPD? That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah. Which had an over commercial, which I'll be also showing on the live. He just so happens to have Uber commercial too. When I'm not driving for over Are you kidding me? see somebody parking

me. That's beautiful. So I'm just to go to show you how the local news does coverage or lack of coverage. There was the claim made that NTV was in the capital Yes, that day, proven through the john Sullivan. situation. But listen how no local news covers. The question of verifying was an Tifa. behind. There are a lot of claims that the people who broke into the Capitol on Wednesday weren't Trump supporters, but were

actually an Tifa. Members. Us representative mo Brooks says the evidence is growing that antifa quote, orchestrated capital attack with clever mob control tactics. So let's break this claim down. Starting with these images. This anti fog comrades flyer is being shared a ton. With claims it tells an Tifa members to disguise themselves as Trump supporters, but a reverse image search shows that this image is more than two

months old. It was originally shared on articles like this on Election Day, November 3, and as you can see, the image has the date November 4, clearly in the text, we're marking this false. Then there's this claim a man in the hallway of the Capitol with a tattoo on his hand, which these posts say is the communist hammer and sickle. But a higher resolution image from Getty photos shows it's clearly not the hammer and sickle. It's

actually a logo from a video game. This claim is false. Then there are tons of claims about this shirtless man wearing a horned hat. This is not a Trump supporter. This is a staged anti fur attack. Well we tracked him down This is Jake and jelly.

He's easy to find online as an outspoken q anon supporter. In fact, President Trump there you president he's posting photos of Johnny and has been photographed protesting against groups like Black Lives Matter and antiva in the past Wednesday night, he actually posted that quote, I am not an Tifa or BLM I'm a que anon and digital soldier so claims this man is an anti factor in disguise are false. Now there are more examples of people falsely being labeled anti fur and false messages.

That was that's a great that's a great ISO. I got to get that left the local news stymieing the you know the claim the anti was in there which clearly James makes give me john works with Black Lives Matter and he actually got kicked out of black lives matter for doing being too radical. Oh, and then on the other side James worked closely with the proud boys. What what's going right Seriously? What is going on? That's pretty extreme and one family

wish wish and I have an article here from no queue report. It says that they will they This is have been on opposite sides of ideological spectrum since George Floyd video released last spring. So that was the that was the trigger word that was the trigger when the when the when they split into one and zero. Yeah. So well, I have john Sullivan on Anderson Cooper, but you're not going to hear her speak. But I believe he was with her his handler What's her name? Jade.

had her name he Jaden x something No, no, that's it. That was his name. Her name was Jade. Hold let me find it. Don't know. But yeah, of course you don't cuz nobody. She didn't speak the whole time. So she was just there handling Mr. Cooper, J. Sacher, who is a CNN photo journalist that never did anything for seeing in her life. But that's how she was saw. That's all she was sold to the to the masses. But this is john Sullivan. And she's sitting six

inches from his face. While he speaks to people who were there. JOHN is now a documentary filmmaker Jane sacker and left wing activist john Sullivan. JOHN you filmed this moment on your phone just can't describe what happened.

Yeah, so basically all the protesters kind of storm to get into the chamber we tried to get into like the main entrance right when you walk down the hallway, but that being said, Nobody was able to get it because there's two guards refusing to move people there we're not really wanting to hurt

the police. So like they went down a different alleyway they went to like the left of the main entrance of the chambers and then took a ride down the hallway that then entered into that glass windows that you see there to their left by like four or five police officers right at the forefront. And I remember just looking up and seeing one of them like crying saying they want to go home to their kids. So how was how was this lady shot? I mean, she was in go

trying to get through the door. And it was it. Do you did you see who shot her? Yeah. So I was getting to that part. So immediately after they started breaking through the glass, once they broke through the glass, they're using like flagpoles and whatever they had to kind of fast through the windows. The on the right hand side, this lady was able to like make her way all the way through

the window. all we see is these guns come out of the doorways just guns guys, all you can see is their hand and that's it you can see faces. And right when I saw that I was yelling to people I was like, Guys, there's guns, there's guns. You don't want to go through there like that. They're like everybody shoot, like not just like hold it there and run away. Everybody gonna shoot to kill, huh? guns. And I got a wonderful clip that was in Audible, but it has

the subtitles to wit him and Jade. So there is a grant. So this guy, they made such a big deal about him with his footage. But really, he was just there to propagate more messaging. Yes. But then I had to take him down. No, well, for whatever reason. It was. Yeah, but j soccer. I can't find anything on her her was that her website, um, that she's done some interesting photo journalism. But like I said, I have the footage of her and him in the in the, in the Capitol. He's I told

you, I could get you in there. And like, he's not like he liked her. He was I told you, I get you here. And she's like, Oh, this is awesome. JOHN asked me and she was like, he was like, I love you. And she's like, What do you say? He's like nothing. He was saying like he was clearly he was clearly enamored with her and like to see what the honeypot and she let him in there. She got the footage that she wanted and he was left

swinging in the wind. That's how I see it. Yeah, yes. This is why the internet these newsletters are so valuable, because it's certain things that we can't show here that I can show there that I found when I go down the rabbit hole. That is you know, it was interesting. Like you can really hear it very well. Not we could we could work my way through it. But no, I think it's very more powerful if you actually watch the point time. What time do the lives drop? Eight o'clock

Wednesday. Eastern eastern standard time and and the show same time Wednesday town okay yep so Wednesday eight o'clock come to mo facts on YouTube and you'll find something something going on over there either a new show or the laugh I lost eight and we premiered on on the YouTube and then we we get it up on the podcast after that yeah right after the premiere is over we'll drop it to the caucus apps so that way people can get on our routine with us as far as

um and it helps the reason why would I know you're like why are we going to YouTube if we're trying to go away from it as like one man TV say we're trying to grow big so we can come away from YouTube right in fact we're doing a honey pot here's mo he's the honey Alright, so that's what we that's we we have to use the

algorithms against them. Once that engagement happens it's going to send the message to be fun and you know also likes shares and comments because that triggers the algorithm as well like I said we just need to know what what what a game we're playing here yeah we can you know we can beat him and then we'll just take a look podcast 2.0 Thanks so I know this is kind of a heavy show. And I don't these last two clips I don't know where to put this. I don't know if this is government

control. I don't know if this is natural. I don't know if this is a performance art. But this is a command a Ghazi from the blend of black hammers. And this is East he Sue's message to anti fur one. Oh and Tifa is me kasi the commander in chief of black hair organization land back I heard you had some not so nice things to say about me. I heard you had some nice things to say about my

hammers. Not so nice things to do. So one of my members one of my dear dear members an African Filipino mother talks and thought she could get away with it thought we're gonna back down that's not gonna happen. messed with the wrong one this time? Yes. Oh, yes, you did. Oh, yes, you can because we don't take it lightly. When harm is done, to our African colonized women, that's why black hammer we say touch one. Touch one. Touch 1141

you test one of us. So now you've taught all of us and we're gonna have to do something about it. Okay, is this is this the same color? Is this the same black hammer? Who was saying stand with us? We're against the vaccines were behind Nicki Minaj or am I confused?

Ah ha that's the same one holy crap man she's acting there I don't know who she is but that's the he that's uh he yes you got to do what you got to do it we got some look we are live in town live go to you to type in Ethan's like I said the same thing is in the in the title. Okay, hold on a sec. He sews message he Sue's message to an Tifa just so I can see it right and that's what this is all about. Okay, hold on a second let me you got to have a visual of this okay

Alright, here we go. Is it plan Come on Oh, hold on a second. For some reason it's not coming through. Headphones Here we go. Yeah, it's got the hammer No, you see I just want you to see I want you to see him. Yeah. Why would the white face though the white maybe? Yes. And the Joker what's going on here but now I want I'm gonna play the second clip. I want you to get a visual. Yeah, I got my visual. It's scary. Mo southie I don't know if this is real. I don't know if this is

like a splinter sale. Like you know, they couldn't. Well,

really, man. I don't I don't know. where to put this but for all I know this is a white guy playing the black guy with white face I mean where his his pictures in the white face okay that is appropriation if we if we want to if we want to be to the letter of the law Yeah, he is appropriating whiteness with it with the face I mean if we want to be to the letter of the law of oneness This is even more fascinating okay hold on hold on a second hold on a second I'm looking at

their website you love this don't you? I'm looking at their website okay donate and you always got to click the donate button to see where the donations going and so we got to follow the money people let's see the live curry cash check folks. No, I'm impressed. I'm impressed. They've got Bitcoin Bitcoin donations. Okay, that's not bad. Let's see what that's got to see where it's going to ah, it'll it'll take me too long because I got to fill in some information. This I will have

Okay, I say this. Can you give it to me so I can relate to people? Oh, yeah. On on. On the last day. Oh, heck yeah. I mean, this is gonna be fun. This is gonna be fun. Cuz now I get to stop you and you get to go do your thing. Then we get to feed it back to the people. This This group is something else Mo. You want to hear more? Yeah. Okay, let's play let's play the next year to talk about me. You want to call me anti semitic. You wanted to call me an anti vaxxer cuz we're against vaccines. You

wanted to call me all kinds of horrific things. When I don't really give a damn. And none of us give a damn well, where you went wrong was when you docked one of my members an amazing African Filipino mother and you made her so worried about her own safety that she had to pay for more expensive security system that she could barely afford it because you know that the reality of us poor and working class people we don't have money to spend and especially not with COVID taking

all of our jobs away. So we told you you need to pay up. We told you you need to give reparations to our comrades that you mirror all those nasty things you want to say about me and say about my pattern you want to call out for movement but we're not gonna let

it happen not this time. Mayo boys and girls in your suburban world What a joke but our hashtag done so you can cut outside of your video game and break down some businesses while you've been messing up because you've been destroying black and brown businesses is this the same group that was going to you know get some land in Colorado and this is performance art and this is this has got to be the largest troll in the world or perhaps a very sophisticated op that is unfolding slowly

I don't know that's why I said I don't know where to put this because Are you burning an Tifa Are you willing to go out to any vaccine like that and up and up and not look at this sellout AOC dropping jaws and dropping bombs they got they've got a they've got a real organization here with people this this website is is maintained you know something that's not bad. This is a good cheese. Fascinating. Like I said, I don't I had to lean. You're not

going to bring up those hot button issues. But it's like what what do you do with them? Like what what's going on? I don't know. I said, I found it fascinating. I thought that would give me a good way to end the show. We're in I know when people say we're in a simulation by red light waves going on here. Well this is put together by some script kiddies. But they have they have the organizational manual, which is pretty detailed. And you know how to organize Okay, this is

there's something sophisticated. going on here, huh? There's something very sophisticated here. And they've been doing this this isn't they're not brand new. No, they're not brand new. Oh my god. Well, Mo thank you once again for all that. Appreciate it. Man. That's a wrap on binary thinking. Everybody has had their two shots. If you listen to the show so far, have your you know the vaccine to heal you know people who are listening, be empathetic listening.

And don't worry, don't worry if your immunity wanes we've got a booster with live next Wednesday and another show like a booster after that and a booster every week if you want. Yeah, we got boost every two weeks. Mo Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for doing such a great job man. This This was I always learn something. And sometimes it's just like, Wow, my mouth, my jaw drops open. And this was one of those moments. It was great job really cool.

I appreciate Adam. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth reveal itself. Remember to support our small facts calm mo I will talk to you within the week. Yeah, I'll see you later. I'll see y'all next week. Everybody Bye. Walk into your gut, his Sherman's stamp. And can you just wait. Just that's mentioned. When you feel good. Just saying you can make me and you