66: Black Butterfly

Moe facts with Adam Curry for September 14 2021 welcome to episode number 66. We're on our schedule two weeks on off and happy to be here once again I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of Texas Hill Country and somewhere in Northern Virginia my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen Mr. Mo facts Wow, that was perfect. Whole intro like you were a wrestler coming up, you know? Good mo you man. How's everything going there? I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Like I said, we're on schedule.

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what do you say we spin the wheel? Please sir All right, here we go. There it is. Big Ass wheels topics round around. It goes where stop nobody knows except of course mo because puts it all together and figures it out. What is the topic for Episode 66 of mo facts with Adam Curry. Loves pot love. Like Star Trek. Remember that the Star Trek theme song when it was black and white? Oh yeah, it was like alright, potluck. Good. So we would do we got a couple of topics for today.

We got a handful of topics we're gonna cover to be exact for blocks. Okay, have some current events that's been going on that I've been keeping an eye on so we're happy to talk about them. And these are the topics that don't really need a full show or sometimes they can spin off until for show depending on how far we go into it. But and there's a theme to this one. okay to say um there is nothing versus a theme to it. There's a sub theme to the theme Mr. Jones, we have to talk about

it. We had to put some respect on the man's name with the horse pace debacle we saw the news media oh do I hit do i do i do the next topic thing here is that just go ahead and let's get into it. Oh, LeBron James has a mandate of heaven now. Okay, so somehow this fits into Alex Jones Well, he's gonna be a running theme through the show because oh when I'm done here is topics that he's thrown out like he's

like Kanye right? Um what like the fish sticks you're gay if your fist sticks and well yeah, they talking means or what me and my man young girl Call me when nice right? Is they talking me he's talking to these like catchphrases. So when you hear this stuff is like, easily dismissed. But in the show, I have a handful of statements he's made Yeah, that I want to deep dive into and one the first one being LeBron James has a mandate from heaven. So it's gonna be a fun show. Little you

know, we get little conspiratorial on. Yeah, you don't say no, no, no, never anything like that. I guess we mean, if you're ready to. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready for all of it. It's my favorite people. LeBron James Alex Jones. We're good to go as all of you if you weren't just to warn people. Good. Good cuz I got stuff to talk about whenever. Hopefully it's about Donda. Well, we're not gonna go actual Kanye, but I had It is so okay just to bring ourselves back from the edge of going for Alex

Jones. So okay, hold on a second. This will make us feel much better. Come on Mary finagle Alex Jones. Come on. Come on. So this is CBS, Los Angeles. Well, Brian James says the decision on whether or not he gets the COVID-19 vaccine will probably be kept private, adding it's a conversation between you and your family and not for everybody else. NBA Commissioner Adam Silver indicated the league would not require players to get the vaccine, nor would it

require fans to be vaccinated in order to attend games. Katie Johnston for CBS la? Yeah, this is a big topic I've been hearing about this. He's been trying to hide in the weeds of saying it's a personal decision, whether it's not a big deal if I say it or not. And the NBA is kind of box them in, because they're going to the local mandates of if you're not vaccinated, you don't play. So

we're going to look at that whole thing. And if there's a sub topic in the sub topic that I want to follow as well, it all connects as it always does. Um, so have you been like you said, You've heard this so? Well, I mean, that's exactly. You know, I've been studying NBA from a different angle, the owners and Epstein, which I hope to Wow, you with one of these days. It's like, it's like crazy when you look into the depths of that and how coincidental it all

is an Apollo management. So this other stuff is, you know, I've been, I'm a little COVID tired. Okay, and I'm a little brand tired as well, I have to admit. So. Yeah, I mean, obviously, I kind of know what's going on. So I'm, I can't wait to hear at all. So what I want to do is show you how, when it's time to speak, the pressure will be applied, and you can't just duck down in the weeds and, and not say I don't want to make a comment, you know, that doesn't work. They did it with that with him

and on China. Yeah, we're gonna try. No, that did not work at all. It did not work. But I will say this, I think LeBron James knows he has the timing, to understand that if he says, he's gonna take it, he's gonna take a big hit to his following. So he's trying to play the middle, because he was vaccinated, or was that vaccine friendly? He would just come out, say it right, even though I'm taking it, you know, right. run on my

sleeve. I don't care what's in it. Now. I mean, obviously, if you're gonna act like that, we know what's up. Right. So I want to go into the pressure tactics that they use. And one of the pressure points they're using is Stephen A Smith. From first take, I don't blame the players have been hesitant to promote vaccine vaccines, considering our nation's history and our mistrust of the federal government. We know that

history, we don't have time to get into it. But I think considering the number of people who have been vaccinated, which are obviously in the millions, and the fact that it's indiscriminate, there are black and whites, and others that have taken a vaccine, I do think it's time for all of us to adopt a mentality that if we have the opportunity to do it is something that we should do. And if they come my way with it, I will take the vaccine.

Let me address what you just said quickly. Sure. I think as Americans, we are used to a situation where money and power gives you greater access to things and people feel that that's normal. I think if I were running a league, and I could get my hands on vaccines and I could legally distributed I would to the players. If you're asking me as an independent arbiter, do I think that that's ethical, or moral? The answer's

No, I don't. So I disagree with you on principle, but in practice, we probably see I think there is a case to be made on economic lines along the ones you're making. I think the best way to do it is what the most effective way we seen internationally is you start with the oldest people because

there's even more with underlying conditions. The oldest Do you know, 85 and over 75, and over 65, and over do it like that and people with underlying conditions and first responders and then the rest of us wait for it. So this was early on? Yeah. And I know in the vaccine rollout, even Steven a Smith was hesitant as you heard him saying Yeah, but obviously somebody taught me Steven Naismith. And he wait a minute. Was it a phone? Is that what happened? Did you get a phone call?

I don't know which way the phone call might have been dialing in the headquarters like hey, I don't know. Yeah. So as you get here in this one, Max Kellerman, kind of top Steven Naismith on and it starts to irk Steven Naismith, so we're gonna get into that as well. So anything you want to address mean no no Keep it rolling. Mo I'm loving this. I mean these are names I don't even know you know, I got to look them up while you're talking. I am not Mr. Basketball.

No, it's not about basketball we've we spotted early on in the NBA was the League of choice sure for the vaccine rollout being Rudy go bear was the first one to catch the major athlete who does he play for? He plays for the Utah Jazz Okay, um and you know that's when they shut down the league they had the horrible the NFL again they have the vaccine mandate um, what they leave it up to the players not to take it if they want to now with heavy fines

gets a little more serious. Yeah, I guess they're more serious. Right. But the NBA has been all in since the beginning like I said with the bubble down and Disney and all of that stuff and Black Lives Matter on the court and all those things so they've been very vaccine friendly. So of course in China's still trying to kill us and that's their their weapon of choice is the NBA. Where there you have it, just just say, and not conspiratorial anything just laying it out there.

If they give a fake looks to beat Well, I will say with walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. So we have next Charles Barkley, and he's going to speak on vaccine priority. I think they should let the NBA players and coaches all get the vaccine. That's just my personal opinion. I don't I don't know. That's what people were talking about the front of the line, we need 300 million shots up giving 1000 to some NBA players. What about what about NFL NFL? The NFL players hockey players?

Listen as much taxes these players pay. Let me repeat that. It's much taxes these players pay they deserve some preferential treatment for for life and death. Yes, the amount of money you make no taxes, amount of money you make what amount of taxes these guys pay it they we can't go there. You got to take care of the elderly in the in the at risk. I totally agree. We need to take care of the first responders and the old people. But I'm saying given a couple of 1000 shots to the NBA

players is not gonna change the world. I'm just saying it just making saving favors not changing the world while you're going to them first because we listen, I'm just saying we Why do they get the preferential? Why do we all I'm saying why don't we get the preference of if we're gonna try to play basketball, right? We're gonna keep having COVID outbreak Okay. That that discussion could go on? And you know, there's no right or wrong answer here.

Isn't Barkley old enough to qualify for elderly first? He's right on the cusp. Gotta be close. He's gotta be No, wait, weight issues and things like that. They might bump them up even more because, you know, comorbidities and whatnot. But this is Charles not being read in. And they're trying to walk him back. Did you? Did you notice? Oh, totally, totally. Like, look at my eyes. Charles looking my eyes. Listen to what I'm saying. He's saying the millionaires and elite should get the shot before

everybody else, which I totally agree with. I agree with. They should totally do it in public. And they should wait for like 30 minutes so we can make sure that they're okay. That's a very good idea. Yes. monitor for 30 days. Yeah, of course. Now you can fire up the phone. Here is Charles. Number four. I know that. That that you you speak your mind that, as I said

that you're so honest about sharing your opinions? Have you ever said anything that you wish that you would have said differently or not said at all? Yeah, I'm so glad you asked my question. I said some last week. Believe it or not, it was a stupid thing to say that I think these NBA players I think they should get I said and I said it, even though I believe it. I think they should get the vaccine because we have no idea how plants force is going to

have effect on you down the line. If you get this virus, and you're gonna try to play basketball, I think they should get the shot. But I made it seem like they were more important than other people and they're not. And it came out stupid. And I apologize if everybody was offended. But like I say, I want

my players to be safe when they can get that vaccine. I hope they get it because, you know, we have no idea how this thing gonna affect people in 10 2030 years, but I came up with the person and Apologize I've been about a took it like that. Well, I'm glad you got to apologize. And we're gonna we're gonna take a break. We're gonna play a game with Charles. When we come back, we'll be back. Wow, holy

crap. Shut up. Shut up. I'm sorry. I'm so David. First of all, he said, we have no idea what's going to play out in 30 years from now. That was interesting. He he's stepping out every step and all like a whole yard for the rakes. Every time he says he's like, another rate makes it worse. But you see how it works? Anything you ever wanted to apologize about? Or you felt was stupid, you know? And this was it. That I mean that's why he was brought on the show for to get it out to the

masses that hey, I said something stupid. I said what we really think was there a lot of backlash? Was there a lot of backlash about the first the first statement he made? Of course that's why he's on The Ellen Show. I mean, he was the guy on Brock. I mean, daytime television while we're still on the course. And here's I don't understand why didn't just answer truthfully because it would work to what we just want to be good examples to everybody if he had said that it would have been okay.

But what he said no, I know what he said. He says these these guys. They said pay a lot of taxes. They deserve it first, right? Screw it dying old person by 1000 dead people. What is it really nothing that says nothing to the NBA. The NBA is like Hey, no, no, no, no, no, no you can't say that. We don't know what this vaccine gonna do that people in 2013 can't believe he said that he screwed it up on the on the on the make good. So let's Chuck for you now. But what's fascinating is Charles

Barkley was all the morning. I'm gonna apologize for anything. I'm right. I speak my mind. Yes. Not when that phone rings and that's why I had to bring the phone and now you're now we're starting to see when you step out of line, you get the phone and that's what's happening with LeBron right now. He's the phone ain't rang yet. Or you know, or you know, or they send them like a bootleg text. It's like I said to send you a text and one emoji that's how it starts isn't one emoji on

text. Oh, Okay, I got it. So now we go back to first take and this is I got to set this up a little bit. So Max Kellerman, aka Black's Kellerman has always been known for one upping Steven Naismith and the black category as we explored on episode 16. I was gonna say a long time ago that we talked about that, right, but it's just came to a head and clip number six, we're going to hear example of him one upping Steven Naismith athletes should not be forced into positions where they must

publicly espouse that they are Affirmative. Lee, you know, they're they're, they're, they're putting their weight on. Yes, everyone should do this. Because if they don't feel that way, then they shouldn't be forced into a hypocritical position. This is However, if the vaccine is available, and they opt not to take it they shouldn't play. Like that's what if they don't put a public service announcement is something else. They should not be forced to do public service

announcements, even if i think it's it's foolish not to. Now, let me tell you why I think it's foolish not doing what I think their problem is. In the Venn diagram, right? You have the different circles and where they overlap is the shaded area. This is a perfect storm, another metaphor for it. of, of this vaccination issue. Number one, that pro athletes pro athletes care about what they put in their body. And and anyone hears Wait, I'm putting a dead disease in my body, even the thought of

it's disturbing to a lot of people to me, yes. You understand the science very well, you still say I just don't like the idea of it. And pro athletes want to be sure about what they're ingesting. And unless it's going to help them on the field of play, especially. That's one, two, there's a lot of anti vaxxer nonsense out there, just nonsense and low quality information that many among us have have swallowed and kind of internalized and now believe the

anti vaxxer industry is utter nonsense, nonsense. That's all nonsense. However, there's an overlap there too, because many in the population, including in the NBA have subscribed to it, as many people have subscribed to a lot of low quality information in recent years. And misinformation. And three you mentioned it, Stephen A, the United States has a bad history with African American people don't they? And and including experiments on African American people, right. And this is so

you are Yes. So if you're thinking, Well, I'm not going to be you want me to take that? Are we sure about this? Are you experimenting on me? I think all three things come into play here. Wow. You can hear Stephen A Smith. Like this. That's exactly what I was talking about max like, right? In this has been a common thing with Max. He always an owner spectrum of black. I mean, cuz we know black is a title not a race or a brand brand Excuse

me. Exactly. He's He's always found himself Stephen A Smith has been seen as a conservative person. Or, you know, he even said that black people should vote republican one time to send a message to the Democratic Party. He quickly came back on that statement. He got the phone, for sure. And then it just his overall tone, and you know, and things of that nature. So it makes it easy for max to, you know, one up him when it comes to the blackness. So, um, Steven that you can hear the

biggest pain. Oh, yeah. And I'm Steven age voice like, you're doing it again. Right. Um, so yeah, so it irks them. And then you just heard him say, and this is a great opportunity for you to ask the question about experiment, Adam. Well, as I was gonna say that we had a I'd actually, offline off the show I, we talked about this, and I said, Hey, man, I can remember exactly. So I hope you remember your exact answer. I said, you know, this Tuskegee experiment, I said, Yeah,

absolutely. It was a long time ago, and even clean. But you know, it's so bad. Even President Clinton had to apologize for it. But it seems like it's being used as a crutch. Like, that's the only thing I ever hear. Not that it's not valid, but seems a little bit like a cop out. Because, you know, so much has happened since then, which I think is also valid to be suspicious of government in general. So what I yeah, what I would say it's not a crutch. It's the

repellent. It's a it's the one thing that you can say that, you know, resonates, you know, with whoever is asking you and putting pressure on you to say, what about Tuskegee? Right, right. You kind of got to back off the person, which we have our worse experiments. Well, you said that you could discuss you said something else to me, which which stuck in my mind. Go ahead. Well, I said a lot about the battery mom. And this was just Adam and Moe talking as friends. Right, which is what the show is

as well. It's just we weren't rolling tape. I said, No, here's what you said to me. You said, Adam, you've got to understand for black men, just using black as a brand. You said we hate going to the doctor. Because Yeah, yeah. And I and I say, I'm gonna spit it back to you see if I got it, right. And I said, Okay, and by the way, I haven't seen the inside of actual medical doctor's office in many, many years to do functional

medicine, all kinds of other stuff. Voodoo shit. Smells, and and you say no black men, we know that the doctors only a pillar, a knife. That's it, and it brings a whole bunch of other crap with it. And by the way, if this black man here in Texas feels the same way. That's why I never go. I don't want to have any of that stuff. I don't trust him anymore.

And that's the that's the only two options you have for it. And if you don't have a solution other than that, and and why go I mean, you know what you need to do eat healthy exercise, those kinds of things. But well, I mean, there are there are some absolute things that that needs to be looked at. But I was just surprised because obviously, a lot of a das men go to the doctor for a high blood pressure, and for and for diabetes. Most of the time, that's because just a free visit. a loved one

is pressured to go. You're free physical, and I'll say like, full disclosure, my wife is like I scheduled your free physical. Oh, interesting is that is that kind of thing? Tina does with it with a dentist. It's not like we're picking up the phone line. Let me get my blood pressure change. That kind of thing. But I also want to bring to the show that it's used as a repellent as well for people that may not be vaccine friendly. Because that backs you

up often we will offer Yeah, very easily. We need a new dead black person, you know. Just wait. I think there's a couple that we kind of overlooked who who died within days of their vaccination. We got a whole host of things that look at now. All right. All right. Thank you. I'm glad we brought that back up. But yeah, that's what they're, that's what they're alluding to.

Because the Tuskegee one is the one that every bit In the shared consciousness of people, so it's like you say Tuskegee, and is our magnet? Well, I'm not going to push that any further, because I know where that goes. But you see that only has so many legs, what's going on now and exactly in society. So, just as a reminder, let's go back to show 16. And this is the ultimate example of this is around the Colin Kaepernick

situation. And Steven Naismith was critical of Colin Kaepernick, and I think this is when he did that stage workout for Nike and that whole thing Yeah. And Tara Owens confront Steven Naismith. So what he wanted was transparency for people to see the full workout to see the full Colin Kaepernick again, you mentioned obviously Max is going to get in here like so. I'm in

the streets. Max almost seems blacker than you, Steven A. with with with with the upcoming commentator with all due respect, my man Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. I'm gonna check you right now. You don't cry. I'm just saying. You don't. First of all, like I say you Eric Reid, any of y'all that wanted to bait me in front of black people and talk about what's best for black people named the time and place I'll show up. I don't want to hit

what's the definition of blackness? Is there a definitive definition of blackness? Hmm. Yeah, remember this? So, in the meantime, there was it was pretty, it was pretty insulting what he says you should vote for Trump. Especially true omens being a black man. You know what that means? Like you couldn't he might say that over and over again, you might get punched um yeah, you don't say that. You

just don't say that. But that was a he wanted to triggers that even a Smith and that was a low hanging fruit to do it with but in the meantime I have to give cash to people up on YouTube via news co Kwame brown case cam came out and made Steven a Smith his number one target and label their whole crew they go along to get along gang Hey boo like someone else. Tina was talking about this. handkerchief handkerchief heads. Have you ever heard this term? No, I

haven't. But it's also supposed to be get along go along crew. Thank you. Okay. Yeah, I haven't heard that but that's what he labeled him and it stuck. And you know, and it's putting a lot of pressure on Stephen a smear and you can tell because he even made a reply video to Kwame brown own his show. So that mean that tell you

how far I've gotten up on their skin. And not only has Kwame brown gotten up on this, Steven a skin Max has and this is the second follow up clip to what Terrell Owens said and Max had to chime in on on what happened here and I know Max, you didn't have a chance to jump in and I'm sure you want to respond. Okay guys a shot of explosive when to you said tongue in cheek. You said that Steve that I seen blacker than Stephen A

and Steven a obviously had to respond to that. And I want to respond to that before I say what I originally wanted to say. Which is first of all, I can't eat any more all the cookouts I've been invited to like since this whole thing came up. I see Steven a is having inherited not only a respect for authority, but a working knowledge of reality and what it takes to get ahead, no excuses. You can always look for excuses. You can look for things to lean on. You can look for where it's not

perfect. Or you can do what you have to do, which is what Steven a is done. And I would say that his his that your point of view, Steven a to Steven A's point of view, is not less black necessarily than someone else's who's more strident. It is more conservative in certain respects. And my point of view is oftentimes more progressive. My own background is Jewish, secular, not religious, but Jewish secular. So one of the things you get around Passover is act like you were a slave in

Egypt. That's how I grew up. Like you know, with that tradition of always look at the oppressed and look for righteousness and justice. And so I'm striking in that way. However, me myself I did not have to go through the struggle like that he made it to the cookout. He made it to the barbecue. So let me explain to you what Steven Naismith may have been hearing

as I'm a black man, right? Yes, good. Go for it here and I know Max, you didn't have a chance to jump in and I'm sure you want to respond. Okay, guys a shot of explosive when to you said tongue in cheek. You said that, Steve that I seem blacker than Stephen A and Stephen A obviously had to respond to that. And I want to respond to that before I say what I originally wanted to say, which is first of all, I can't eat any more all the cookouts

I've been Decided to like since this whole thing came up. I see Stephen A is having inherited not only a respect for authority, but a working knowledge of reality and what it takes to get ahead. Yeah. That respect for authority. Yeah. Where's that coming from? That? No, that's it. He's a good house slave. Yeah. Well, either that or she listened to your mom because she'll whoop your ass. But yeah, I took it that way, too. Right. Let's bring in Steve. I know he's over there saving Cz.

Us respectful. And then he uses word like straining. So I mean, let's keep going. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't realize you want me to roll? That's fine. That's fine. We don't even know what you heard the call? No, I got it. Yep. He's laughing on the inside. And then he's like, Well, you know, Steven a, you know, I'm, I'm more strident with my rebellion. And you know, he's, he's controlable. He's the you know, he's the good Negro. No, I'm telling you this how to receive.

And if you don't believe me, listen to number nine. What happened? The rumors accurate in terms of me wanting them off the show? Let's get that out of the way. Yes, I did. You know, we don't have a bad relationship. I think he's a real good guy. I appreciate what he did for the show. We would never want for five years. We

stayed number one, and I appreciate that. But what a lot of people don't realize is that the work that goes into doing the show, every single day, in the nine years that I've been on first take I've given over 33,000 takes. And what a lot of people don't realize is that not just the work that goes into that. But also the fact that is a chemistry that you have, and sometimes it just stalls. And the audience let you know that it is what it is that you feel the need for something fresh,

you feel the need to retool. And the reason why I'm unapologetic about my position is that number one is no knock against him personally, his professionalism, his work ethic, and all of that other stuff, his talent. It's not like I wanted the guy to be fired or anything like that. I knew that there were landing spots for him available at this network that would generate just as much if not more revenue for him and all of that other stuff. And it wasn't really about asking him to be off the show.

It was about the fact that I knew that we together as far as I was concerned, was not a great partnership anymore. And that was something that needed to change. It also wasn't my decision. You know, I gave my recommendation. They ask it I tell it every single year when the season you know, when the NBA season comes to an end, the boss has asked me where I stand. And for the last three years, I said this is where I stood. Man shows you who's got the juice. Whoa.

Recent juice. He says I've been asking for him to be fired for three years now. Yeah, because he's been blacker to me, you know, saying not my words. But that's been the sentiment that I mean, you heard what Max said that I'm I can't go any more cookouts. I'm full over here and it got underneath even a skin and that combine that with get a lot going on. Get him on gang. This is so on his heels two years ago, you wouldn't have any of these conversations during sports programming, would you?

it picked up really around. Colin kapernick that was like, Okay, yeah, so that was three, three years. Yeah. Yeah. So that was the genesis of the conversation Steven a one to keep it to sports. Max knew as long as he's like that cool hip hop, kind of white guy. You're saying he likes rap, you know, and that kind of thing. So he knows a rat references. So he can like the douchebag Ari Melbourne on MSN. That guy I just want to rip his neck off and pull it through the TV screen.

In all fairness, never go for a very bad idea. But Max is like Nah, he's not at nobody's beds are are his pit cover him. In the genius words of two pucks record I'm like click don't want to hear Yeah, exactly. But in the thing was steaming as leaves off because he's the host headliner. That's right. So all Max has to do is sit back in the cut and kathlyn shack and shut up and be normal. No, I'm saying is the tactic that he uses in the debate

because it's the debate show is what it is. I mean, that's sure what what are they debating? That's the problem. It's like don't debate that get out of here. This is sports. Correct. But you know, ESPN went for woke and now they're claiming They have to even go for work, because they fire several different people over there. But I just want to show you why all of a sudden he after three years they give in to his request, is it because he rolled up his sleeve and said, I'll be

your Vax man, huh? With that says, Let's get into number 10, I certainly don't believe they should be forced to do a PSA, I totally agree with you there. What I will say, however, is that the athletes themselves have put themselves in a position where people feel they should be compelled to do such a

thing. But by virtue of the reach that they have, and how they float that reach and the impact that it has, like, for example, if you want to sit up down to dress, and I know that it's apples and oranges and a lot of people's eyes, but not to me, when you sit up there, you want to address racial injustice issues, and you're talking about it's not just about myself, it's about my family, it's about my community, etc, etc. Well, in a

different in a completely different kind of way. So is the coronavirus pandemic, because the fact of the matter is, is that we you get ill chances are you can make someone else ill chances are is going to be a member of your family, a loved one, etc, etc. And that reality being as pertinent as it is,

does elevate the level of responsibility. If you say, on under any circumstances, that something is not about you, it's about the impact that you know, you have the voice that you know, you have the fact that you can give a voice to the voiceless, etc, etc. And that was impetus enough or motivation enough for you to take certain positions and to put yourself on Front Street, then someone in the medical profession can simply come to you and say, Okay, we've got over 400,000

deaths nationwide, we've got millions upon millions who have died from this worldwide, it's contagious, and is a vaccine that is proven thus far that it can help raise that issue. Do you not feel an obligation to do that they can ask the question, man, the spell is so powerful. And this was early on this is before the approval of anything a vaccine is proven and he's proven and he's he's saying that you have to take it to protect others which is the opposite of what a vaccine does.

Well, the A never let you know the truth get in the way of famous Alex Jones. Hot look. Because of that it's my nobody cares about facts. Nobody cares about truth. You might know about a guy named Joe Rogan. And you saw why they did him and this was like the what what do you think was the reason for the show that the media is completely sold out? all media was interesting.

But yeah, what's interesting about Joe You know, I've been on business Joe's show three times that just briefly before this, this last time when he when he got COVID every single time he has a nurse on on site, the minute you come in, you can't even really walk far into the door, you have to sit down and she does the test. And then I always asked for an antibody test to see if I might have had it which you don't have.

Although I'm pretty sure I've T cell immunity. And knowing Joe from two years ago, when he was scouting out locations in in Austin, and he had his mother in law. I think his mother in law may live with them. His wife, his two daughters, and he was super cautious, no handshaking masks. I wouldn't ask him because he's my friend. But not not like we're friends. Yeah, we're just like, it's just none of my business. And if he wants to tell me you can tell me I'm 99.99% certainly got vaccinated.

And he also texted me after he was cured. And he said, Well, I guess this vaccine is unnecessary. So the way he said that to me, man, he definitely got the vaccine but the assumption right away and that's kind of, I wish he would say something about it.

That's the written No, we a and I want to say something I ended last year and I said the white phone and what I mean by that is there's a white Boulay phone and there's a black Boulay phone, you know, saying like, Joe knows, I mean, I mean, excuse me, me. I don't wanna speak for him. But everybody in the entertainment industry knows there's certain things you can say that your phone will ring. And sometimes people just don't

want that smoke. I mean, like, I mean, this. This is what Steven Naismith This is what LeBron James is doing to bring it back to the topic. He He knows the light of big a large of his following are Vax hesitant. Sure, sure. And he's like, if I take this if I take it, I got it. Come out on before throwing it about and that's what Stephen A Smith is calling on him to do, right? Usually, that's when the you the you he's talking about is the Brian right you know you put your face on everything you

know you're want to be Taco Tuesday LeBron. And now as all of a sudden when is vac Tom, you're saying you want to owe us a person decision? No, it doesn't work like that. Um, and NASA was happy he sold his soul A long time ago. Right, but I'm gonna say this. And this is just me speculating. But if the Bron James wanted to talk Michael Jordan and being the most prolific basketball player ever, if he came out said I'm antivax I'm writing with my people. That might be a pathway to he can't

do a basketball. Let's just mean no basketball, but he just can't accomplish. Michael Jordan, I take your word for what this political issue. I'm just saying as big as this is this is not China. This is not Colin Kaepernick. We're talking about I told you before, LeBron James could cause a problem in China just were his words. We talked about this to 16 where he has followings. I mean, like he calls his fans witnesses. I

mean, it's like a demigod level. And if he comes out and says night taking it now that might catapult him over that's my Ollie not now you're talking about Ali and you want to compare yourself to Ali? Yeah, yeah, you gotta be gotta be against the government to for starters. What that's so that that's what put him on. I had that thought. I was like, now that could be the thing that puts him on par with Olli outside of

how in this regard, just to test the theory. How does Nicki Minaj fit in I'm sure you followed that, that practice because you know, now here is someone who I was and maybe she's still going to get the Boulay call or got it now she already backtrack she

already backtrack she's got the call. She doesn't know how she's I mean that was that was quite amazing what she said I mean first of all, she went anti elite by saying hey I'm if I'm going to advance it's not for that she has now I think she has tweeted well you know I'm just gonna research and I'll get vaccine you know she's saying when I when I have to do my tours and everything I'm gonna go slow is I think what what she was saying, but I loved how she got into a big fight with with

joy Reid. Now does this catapult her into any any sort of super stratospheric level by being female hip hop are definitely not the message we're hearing from others. I would say being anti Vax is soon going to be like, well, it's gonna be trendy. Right? I mean, like, that's the that's the ante that's the counterculture. Oh, my God, we need that ma we need the trendsetters. We need is. And you're starting to see I mean, like I said, with from

abroad is easy. This is an easy one for LeBron because they could shoot him with sailing. And he goes on TV, he doesn't have to harm his body. But he understands that his following is washing and a huge part is following his race base. And

this conversation is race based. I mean, um, as far as the hesitancy for reasons that we've discussed before we may may, we may discuss later could come up but yeah, but let me just get back to Stephen A Smith and I want to show you he went from being the the EU to a full on attack with Donald lemon on CNN basketball superstar LeBron James won't say whether he has received or will receive

a Coronavirus vaccine. James outspoken on social issues like racial justice and voting rights very outspoken, says his own vaccination status is not a big deal. They did not do all that for as a predicate to my family, you know, for the majority for 99.9% of those so knows about the health and safety of my family. And that's what it came down to me being available to my teammates on the floors and taking care of my body. Do you mind me asking if that if you're confirming that you did

get the vaccine? It's not it's no big deal. Thank you. Yeah, that man, thank you. I love your outspokenness. Thank you for doing this. This bothers you. You said that LeBron can have it both ways that he either wants to be out front and center bringing a voice to issues or he doesn't tell me why this is so important to you? Well, I think that you know, obviously, you know, you had me on your show a few months ago when I decided to take the

vaccine. I had my reservations. There's a plethora of People within the African American community that has had that have had reservations about taking the vaccine. But ultimately, you know, when you go in ICU or what have you, you see things that have been so profoundly detrimental to the African American community. You take a stand and you take a position. I'm not of the position at LeBron James, normally, under normal circumstances, should feel any obligation whatsoever

to divulge whether or not he's taken the vaccine. But considering the multitude of issues that he's been willing to tackle, considering what provoked him to do so because of concerns for his community, his people, those are his words. These are the kinds of things that he has said, time and time and time again. Then why would you not speak on the issue of being vaccinated and not man, Stephen A Smith as a cruise missile? You got the bronze button right on, it's like, here we go.

That's the that's that's this is how the Boulay phone works out in public. It's like we are you don't want to answer the phone. Hmm. All right. Okay. You know, you don't want to answer the phone. All right. All right, LeBron. thing that bothers me and Steven Naismith did it is this lie that COVID affects black and brown communities six times more than white communities. It's bullshit. It's not true. Wait,

what? Oh, now? include this in here. And you can catch it on my YouTube channel where I discussed something I heard and I don't know how true it is. But supposedly, black people have more receptors in their nose. Wait a minute. Is that because of the size of the nostrils? Or could it could a Jewish man also get more because of his nose? He's actually on the low in the low. I gotta understand this. Okay. All right. Well, I'm gonna look

at the live man. I got to look at if people come over to the live next Wednesday, it's gonna be great. Yeah, I'll discuss that in fact, but this is from this is from a verify doctor. So um, this is not something I'm pulling up. Wow. Okay, well then I may be wrong. But are we you're right in a sense they take but hold your babies in but hold

on a second hold on a sec. Yeah, I'm just presuming here. That's because of the size and shape of the African American nose but that is certainly not uniform amongst black and brown people I mean, there's all kinds of noses that like I said, they said that we have power receptors and when other people have three and I'm like what what we have welfare You are so fortunate you finally have something more than the white man and extra receptor enjoy it to two extra receptors.

Okay, look, the way I see it is the way poor people are affected six times as much and that's also why people is poor people. What they conflate it to high comorbidity rate sign Oh yeah, yeah, that but it sounds much better is face black people, you know, and that's the that's the shaming. That's the sign language the shame and so it's evil it's evil and I don't like it I don't like it. So I'm, I'm when I say this, I didn't clip this but maybe

later and another show. They've been putting pressure on LeBron. They had this w NBA player come out said he's trafficking kids, which was said about Epstein. That made me perk up. I'm like, Whoa, now. You might have sent me some clips on this cuz she came out and said it like it was I know what it was. It was one of those things like hey, we can give anything anytime anytime we can do anything to your wherever we want. And then they got him pushing a referee or a fan or something by

these stories never get reported. Now all of a sudden they're getting reported and they're putting the pressure on the Boulay nudge, yes. And the final piece of pressure is the unvaccinated players could miss home games. It won't have a big impact if you get vaccinated if your NBA player in any of these cities get vaccinated, you won't have to go

through this uncomfortable situation. But you know, listen, the NBA series sending a clear sign that they're going to use the local guidelines even if they have to, to not let anything interrupt their games. They don't have the flexibility that they have last year to reschedule postpone games, move things around, release the schedule the second half of the schedule later, that's all out the window if you're trying to

get back to 82 game schedule. So you know, here they found an opportunity where they can basically indirectly try to promote and also mandate the vaccine in a way not truly a mandate but a mandate in a way and they want to try to utilize it and also avoids the politics that you've got to deal with with the players unions, because now they can't even say anything when you're dealing with government mandates or

government requirements. Because the government can't be beaten in this, obviously society, and the NBA is just taking advantage of a little loophole. Any of these players in Brooklyn and New York, Knicks and in San Francisco are immune to those policies. I got to do it, you got to do it. And they do too. And guess what, a lot of these arenas remember, they're on public grounds. Some of them are private buildings, but some of them are public

grounds. So you got to obey by the public requirements. And this requirement says you got to show a vaccination card to get into watch the game. And also to get into play. I saw ESPN report vaccinated and unvaccinated players wanting to be allowed to sit next to each other in locker rooms or on planes, or and they may have to take separate buses. I mean, it's not all final yet, but it seems like players could have very different experiences this season.

Man, so LeBron is running out of runway here, because he can't sit out when he goes to Brooklyn, he can't go sit out when he goes to Madison Square. We can't do that. He can't sit out when he goes to Golden State. These are marquee games. these are these are the ones they sell the ads around, right. Um, so I said, Do you think that he actually has a conscience that

he doesn't want to lie about it? Because he feels that, you know, people will mimic him or I mean, Bron, James, or whoever is around LeBron James has good. Timing, timing, on where the public stands. And when I mean, the public, the black public, quote, unquote, black public, right? And it's like, you can't jump out this window and be pro vaccine. Because that's gonna, like I said, that's going to split your following. I mean, we're seeing this split and people, and it's not

splitting relationships, Mo it's splitting families. It's very, very, very sick. Right. And so what LeBron thought he was going to be able to deep dive, dive and say, Hey, you know, this is a personal, you know, yeah, this is a guy that comes out and let everybody know, he spent $6 million on his body every year, you know, saying to get into shape. So from that standpoint, I just want to say

be genuine. If he if he's genuine, I understand it. He wants to put something experimental into your body that you've honed, here's the answer be fine. Fine to machine bright, just on a surface level. Exactly. But then what he doesn't do is what you suggested is you know, get some say lean or whatever. And do the Nancy Pelosi bent needle on that was a vice president Harris. The Ben Platt needle plastic cap? Why wouldn't he do that? Because he really can't wait. He doesn't want to be dishonest.

No, he doesn't want to divide heard. His own herd you mean? Yes. Because in his herd I mean, down the split. Yeah, it could be 3070 6040 what do you what do you think it is? What do you think? I would probably say it's somewhere between 7030 6040 I'm probing low no high high. I'm just saying I'm just giving him the benefit of doubt later. Lot of his followers a woke what is inside that? is, you know, is he doesn't want to divide his herd period. And it just puts him in

a weird spot. And he's telling him like, hey, like, this is bad for the brand, but they're like, this is bigger than your brain is way bigger than your brand so I'm so happy you told me about this because I had no idea this was playing I mean little bit, because it really doesn't seep through unless you're really into NBA. I guess you'd be watching ESPN. Otherwise not no not and that's why I laid the clip off that was CBS Los Angeles a little 24 minutes or two it's gonna be 24 second clip

right on there. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. So it's like why we're certain was the vaccination status a big deal when you start seeing it seep into mainstream news? Yeah. Now I got my eyes on it. Yeah, right. And it's like what How far would they go to um, are they willing to risk you know detonate in their on one of their number one assets? You know, on the altar of vaccine How long do you think he has

until he has to say something? Well, the first game cuz whenever you're first getting the first game with a mandate and it's like, yeah, that point now he might go there and like just let it blowing up but they're not gonna let it even when he does show up for the game and he is vaccinated gonna make a big deal out of it. They got to Yeah, he's not vaccinated, but he won't play so which game which game was out do we have our eyes on? I'm gonna

get the schedule. And I'll be letting you know on whichever one shows up in New York first or in the San Francisco next Golden State. Now how do I how do I how do I how do I play the spread on facts not Vax. Said he doesn't have a sheet about sports or sports betting. You don't need to know about sports, sports. I'll tell you that. It's all about us. Yeah, um, so That's the first block.

All right, I like that. Very good. Alright, so the second block was pertinent to the first block and let's go and get into the IC O. Henrietta Lacks black woman that got eaten alive by cancer in one week. Oh, yeah, I heard about this story. Tina was telling me this. She just told me that today. Awesome. Oh, awesome. Awesome. Yeah, not because that mean is I mean, I mean that by the literal definition of the word because they've had her under wraps. They'll talk about now this

answers your question. Why did they talk about Tuskegee? Tuskegee is men. Yeah, well, they killed some men with syphilis. Ah, they, you know, whatever, whatever. gangbangers whatever. Right. But if you say Henrietta Lacks, and the story behind her a black woman being used a spirit man and own or whatever the narrative is, that hits a whole different way across the my body, my choice, yeah, across a lot of these

narratives. And they've tried to keep it under wraps. And what we're going to do is get into her story, and I think a good place to start is the official trailer from HBO about her or more immortal life. For years, it seemed like a dream bout our mother. Could this be true? But you don't understand this. We didn't know nothing but nothing. Scientists have been trying to get cells to grow outside of the human body, but they would always die. Until Henrietta's

cells came along. I want to write a book about your mother. Go healer go healer that's my mother. At this everyone's saying Henrietta Lacks donated themselves. She did donate nothing. They took them and didn't ask. Hospital is guilty as somebody is going to pay a disease to provide one for himself. I'm not doing anything behind your back. Henry added help develop the AIDS cocktail therapy treatments. It's hard not to get caught up in hope when you've been powerless for

so long. You will pardon me? Okay, I've looked. In the meantime. Yeah. Excuse me. So this is the healer sales. And I don't know if you know much about it. But they they neighbor, her is the mother of modern modern medicine. Because her sales, not only do they grow outside of the body, they were they replicate every 24 hours. So this open, right? They're used in medical research today. I guess they're ongoing because they they they can keep making new new cells.

Eight, I mean, as HIV cancer, even the COVID-19 vaccine is part of healing. And it's like, why are you not celebrating this woman? Because if you talk about her story, you had to talk about how she was robbed of her sales. This is why they want to talk about Tuskegee instead of Henrietta Lacks. Oh, of course, and otherwise, how would I've ever heard about her? Well, gotta have the mo faxes. Let me know what's going on. Alright, let's go and get into number 15.

I gotta say about that is hallelujah. Finally somebody want to talk about my mama? Oprah Winfrey plays the daughter of Henrietta Lacks the woman who transformed modern medicine and had no idea. To this day many have never heard her name. I started asking people to you know, have you ever heard of her? No one had so something Winfrey is now determined to change the significance of what her cells have bent. I think the world needs to know that and now they will.

lax was a young mother of five who died of cervical cancer in 1951 at Johns Hopkins, where doctors found her unique and aggressive cancer cells were the first to grow in a lab. Henrietta never gave doctors permission to use her cells and her family was never told. We didn't know nothing bad nothing, like nothing they'd seen before. Those cells shortened to healer instead of Henrietta's full name were used to test the polio vaccine develop in vitro fertilization. drugs used to

fight cancer just to name a few. Her daughter Deborah and author Rebecca Skloot, finally uncovered the truth. But Deborah died just before Sloot's book was published, I refuse to cry. But I could. When I think about Deborah, how eager she was to know about her mother and to have this story told about Henrietta's cells were reproduced in labs around the world and millions of dollars changed hands.

Becca showed me the papers where he wanted to use her name, but the lawyers made all that money off of me that died. Oh, okay. I just wow. Head exploding. You know, in the 80s, I was involved in so much aids charity raising. That's how I know Fauci that a whole he was always around all the big parties hanging out. I have my own thoughts. We've discussed them privately think publicly that I think we would really aact that was the biggest problem a Fauci invention, very

much like, like remdesivir. So anyway, in all those years, knowing, having read many books, never heard of Henrietta Lacks. And you haven't heard her name brought up with COVID yet? Why is that? This should be a selling point. The black lady that saved the world with business and her sales that was able to make this vaccine, that would be the selling point, but you know what, then we got to talk about her. And they stole

her sales, posh. She was experiment on basically, and then it's more create more distress, which this is why they can't use her and this is the story I wanted. This is the new tusky story. This is the teskey times 100. You wish you wait until we go all the way down. Now I see an article in the Hindustan Times. Of course, hello, India. Yeah, Henrietta Lacks cells were used to carry out research for the first polio vaccine first in vitro fertilization for cancer

most recently for studying the effects of SARS. cov replication in the human body right in the US, the top hit it Hindustan Times way to go American media day. This by when I when we see stuff that's missing, that speaks louder than the things that are there, because it's like, why is this big? I mean, this if they didn't take the sales in the way they did, she would be celebrated as like I said, as black girl magic. This is the male this, this is the black

lady to save the world. But they can't do it, because then it brings up more questions about experimentation on black people. And it's fascinating that they've suppressed this, and I'm looking at the timeline. This this official trailer was created in 2017. Is it like did they create over to spin this because you heard her saying the clip? Oh, Johns Hopkins didn't do that. Yeah. Yeah. That's insane. Then this was from Wendy, this was from this 17 that when it happened, it happened in it? No, no.

The Oprah the Oprah thing. That's 2007 2017. Okay. Yeah. And what Hopkins? I mean, now you can feel me because you're, you're, you've been on top of the whole COVID thing. The 201 thing out of Hopkin event. 201. Yeah, right. So that planning, is this part of it. Oh, well, I was certainly certainly around the time they were planning it. I mean, right. He seraiah definitely gets like, like, pump the brakes a bit more. I mean, it's like my head spinning. Here's something I've never heard of.

Well, let's listen to 16 that your hands start spinning in. Johns Hopkins says it did not profit. The family got nothing. But for the next generation. There is a new mission now. You can't help but be proud of what is done. So when you think about that, like okay, something may have happened but something so much good has come from it. David lakhs now sits on a board at the National Institutes of Health helping to decide just what Henrietta's gene sequence is used for.

I think we ought to think of a lacs family as some of the greatest philanthropists in medicine of all time. They speak around the country, urging doctors to never forget the patient behind the petri dish. She was a woman. She was black, with limited education, limited finances and look what she has done for the world. Rebecca Skloot has set up a foundation for the laxus and others who have contributed to science without their consent.

If Want to take in just a few minutes to listen to her and ask her to answer our questions. It will change the whole story for her for her family, a family now taking back its history. I think what we're trying to say is that her life really mattered. A legacy just like Henrietta's cells living on Kristen Dahlgren, NBC News, Los Angeles, again, all 2017 I guess.

Yes. And this is this is the Crump effect right? When when you see these people tragic who tragically killed, um, they bring in you know, the crop and I think crop is maybe involved in this family. You might congratulate me on the flower but um, this is the fact right you bring it in, make the family you know, well, we forgive john hopkins and in the movie, you say they didn't during Johns Hopkins let me correct that. They didn't do anything really. They didn't know. They didn't

profit from it. It's that that word profit, yeah, chronic Rumson, Crumpton. Now that is the Crump effect. This tragedy happens. He comes in smooth waters, and this is an article or an article from July 31 2021. Now the bags wasn't big enough. They said millions and when they say, No, you can't be one of the biggest finance, academics and philanthropists yet. Thank you, sir. Got a lot of real estate. These lips moving around, but I wouldn't know mo I've never seen you. Yeah.

But yeah, so I'm sure he's like millions. You know, crops. Ears probably perked up. We're talking billions here. And so the bag wasn't big enough. So the family's probably coming out the john hopkins. So Wow. It gets deeper. But wait, there's much more. There's there's much more. So we have this is from john hopkins, Johns Hopkins Medicine YouTube page and this is Henrietta Lacks her impact and outreach.

At the center of the Henrietta Lacks story, are people asking questions for people trying to understand the biology of human cells. It's it's there for bioethicists for patients. This is why Johns Hopkins is committed to outreach and education for all the community. It's a labor of love. We all feel like we're connected to this beautiful woman who we call the mother of medicine. It really makes you think about how powerful and impact one person unknowingly could make.

I would say that Henrietta is probably the, if not the most important, certainly one of the most important women in science and medicine. And we all learn and follow Henrietta Lacks legacy, as we contribute to research and medicine. Henrietta Lacks was a 31 year old woman, it headed to Johns Hopkins in 1951 for the diagnosis and treatment of cervical cancer. Unfortunately, she had a very aggressive cancer and within a year, she had died. As part of the care she received

to Johns Hopkins. The cells from her share legs were brought into a laboratory and cultured and it become the first human living cell line, which has allowed us to learn remarkable things about how human cells function. Yeah, when this whole when this Crump thing propped up I think this is when they started posting these videos on their website and on YouTube. And care it's like what kind of care Did you give me you do staler sales or culture this that's what they want to say all

they cultured her sales, but they're still her body. I mean, my chicken never rest in peace. I mean, I mean, if you want to think about it that way. It's it's, although not exactly the same. It's like you can't just be printing up t shirts with Elvis on it. Correct. It's not exactly the same, but I think it's even more egregious. But I don't know if there's any likeness. I mean, I just don't know if there's any law. I know what the law the law is about that. This should be for sure. Screw that.

And what what idiots what Ed? is john hopkins You mean like his check. Quiet. They think they tried. A million when you get when you get Crump on the scene. Yes. Right. The bag expands. The bag has to be much bigger. The family was playing along in 2017. Right with the movie. Now, not home. Mine was part of COVID COVID vaccine? Well, no, I think it's different. This is a wait a minute Look at this guy who did what he did for George Floyd's family. You know,

they understand about the money like in the news. This is a billion dollar and Yeah, of course. Yeah. And they're like, What? Wait, wait, wait, wait, and y'all gave us know, whatever the amount was filling in the blank. I don't know what it was, or you know, or positions or praise or no rights as board advisory board position. I think I heard Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, of course, when you use the crop, that's one thing about Chrome is about the money. I mean, he's coming

for them for the moolah. So that's another thing that we that's why I said that. I can never do a full show or any of these because the stories are finished, but these are kind of things that we need to keep an eye on. Yeah. of will they use her as a topic or not? So same thing with the bronze situation. So now we have Rebecca sleuth, skuse. I think it's Skloot, Skloot, glutes, which this is, this is the market three map their mocker see now and their moral life.

As we continue our conversation with Rebecca Skloot, the author of the best selling book, The Immortal Life of Henrietta

Lacks. We're doing the story today, because this week, Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, has just named a building after Henrietta Lacks. She, they were there with the lacs family members of the lacs family and today we're going to talk about a woman who you may have never heard of, or maybe you just heard about her name, because this book has been on the bestseller list for so many years, the Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. Rebecca, it's great to have you stay with us.

Can you talk about how you discovered the story? Yeah. I learned about the cells when I was 16, and a basic biology class. Most people do my teacher, you know, he talked about the healer cells and all the amazing things they've done for science. And then he happened to know her name. Most people actually, at that point in time, knew her as Helen lane, which was a fake name, basically, that was put out, connected to the cells. And he wrote Henrietta Lacks on the

board in big letters, and just said she was a black woman. And that was it. And I went up to him after class, and I was like, what else do we know about her? And it's God, kids. And what do they think about all this? And he just said, Sorry, no one knows anything. And I just became obsessed with this question of who this woman was and what we can do. What happened. And why we didn't know it seemed so you were in high school. inconceivable to me. Interesting. There was an alias out there.

Yeah, maybe big knockoffs. Instead of Chanel was his channel. Yeah, exactly. Like it sells on Canal Street. That's so disgusting. Like they knew that you don't know. Like you did anything wrong. Name. Oh, my goodness. This is this is a this is a scandal. And another point is we're coming out right on the 70 year anniversary. I'm sure Crump looking at it as well. Like, hey, say her name, say her name. Say or say your name. Relax. I'm sure you're gonna want to do something different here.

Henrietta Lacks building. You don't want me to hang out there. Yeah. And and as people join us, they're noisy. Yeah. So I mean that this is a very volatile situation for how they play this because this only Stokes the fire if Crump. Crump knows where he has him. Because he's like, you're trying to convince black people. Tuskegee is kind of blowing over. And then this story blows up on a 7070 year anniversary, how you basically stole this woman and it's a woman and it's a woman and a black woman.

Oh, this is so good. Moe. Wow. Thanks, man. I love you for this is great. I'm glad I'm glad. Yeah, this is excellent. These people are so evil. 19 talk about the history of medical experimentation in the black community, for example, and you had to do a lot of work and research for your remarkable book The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, for example, the text of the Tuskegee experiment. Yeah, there's there's a long history of black people being

used in research without their consent in this country. And one of the most famous examples of that is the Tuskegee syphilis studies. Though it had been happening in the slavery era, you know, and beyond. And the Tuskegee studies were sort of one of the most unethical things. I think that's probably happened in science, the United States, the hundreds of black

men were essentially studied. They had syphilis, and they were studying to watch how syphilis killed you from infection to death, and they weren't offered treatment even when treatment was available. So at a certain point, you could have cured this with antibiotics. And they weren't given the option and didn't know that they were part of this experiment. And so it wasn't, it was at the end of that. There was actually a lot

of press surrounding that. And it did a tremendous amount of damage to trust within sort of, you know, black communities when it comes to science and medical getting medical care. So that's just one in a long line of sort of stories in history and Henrietta's story, you know, has been that within certain areas where people know about her like in East Baltimore, around Hopkins, it's sort of been oral history, Pastor black communities as part of why it's hard to trust science.

Oh, nice little tag, they're hard to trust science. Aha. And as she says, Baltimore, aka the black butterflies, what it's called, because they have this slim section of white neighborhoods. And then outside of it is blackness on sand on both sides of Baltimore. So this was kind of known in the area locally by Ed Hopkins. Yeah, they experiment on you. Wow. It's the same thing with Grady down in Atlanta. Right. shady

Grady? Yeah. Which he had a very suspect past. It's like, all of these hospitals are named after or have histories that are problematic. Use the term. my mouse is hanging open right now. And please tell me this all stems from me bitching about the Tuskegee story that you went you you you decided to, to check out another rabbit hole? Yeah, or kind of fell on you fell in your lap? Yeah. Now what happens is, when you ask me a question, I give

you a short answer. But then if I can give you a longer answer, maybe the producers had the same question. So it's by let me go ahead and address this. And then with the LeBron thing, it does fit in like, you know, perfect, yes. Perfect. Oh, this is fantastic. Very interesting. And the only the only sad thing is, this interview is Democracy Now with Amy Goodman. She's like the kiss of death for stories. Like once you're on democracy now. It's like going nowhere.

Yes. Like, we covered it. It's that kind of thing. What do you mean? What do you mean, it wasn't on PBS? Look over here democracy now. Yeah. Right. So I mean, and like, say the Tata two together, they didn't do this. They taught Tuskegee with Yeah. They, they try to soft shoe it though. Like in certain areas. It's, it's the same, but it's not like Tuskegee. So I mean, that this is damage control. And I'm, like, we don't want to piss out

the people at Hopkins. Right. But we have to kind of it's like a limited Hangout. Perfect. Sure. So, um, let's go ahead and get into part three. So Henry had a one of the most amazing things to me about this moment is Henry actually knew there was something wrong, she just sort of sensed it. And she actually found this tumor herself on right on the outside of her cervix and went to went to Hopkins, and just sort of went in and said, I have this

lump. And I need to, it needs to be looked at. And in that moment, you know, this, she went to Hopkins, because it was the only place where she could go as a black woman, this was the era of segregation. So there was colored wards, and you know, the white wards and hospitals, and most places wouldn't actually

didn't have a colored Ward, so she couldn't even go. And the thinking at the time was sort of, you know, the people who ended up in what they referred to as the public Ward, were either black or they were poor, and they couldn't afford care. And the thinking was, well, we're giving you free medical care, as payment, we get to do whatever we want with you, essentially. And so there was a lot of research that was conducted in these wards that people didn't know about at the

time. And so Henrietta showed up, they she ended up going under anaesthetic to get this biopsy of her cervix. And that's when the doctor just took a little extra piece and put that in a dish and sent it to George guy who was the head of tissue culture research and had been trying to grow cells for decades. And what happened then? They never died. Yeah, so her cells, most cells die unable to

keep cells alive. Pardon? Oh, well, so they've been able to keep cells alive for maybe 24 hours in the in the past, but hers just not only did they not die, but they begin doubling their numbers every 24 hours. So they just grew with this incredible intensity that no one had ever seen before a cash machine. Know what it's like. It's a popular phrase. And I don't know if it's just solely in the black community, but we don't die we multiply. This is literally that, you know, you take you

take him out, take herself out, um, and they won't die. And not only do they don't die, but they grow this tremendous amount of vigor. It's amazing and it's like, the sad thing is We should be celebrating this woman for her. Right? Like I said that she's the mother of modern medicine, because a lot of things can happen. But the fact that it was done under such shady No, you know, I hear this and, and and you know, yeah, we can't

trust science because of this. One mind immediately goes to the the poorest neighborhoods in America where Planned Parenthood is, is based, who the hell knows what they're doing? Who the hell knows what's going on. And now you see why not only to ski but free healthcare in general are when black people went and got health care, it's like, well, you know, they're gonna take something by me while

they in there. Hey, Matt built the distrust between the middle of day talking about it's a distrust between doctors and black people. I mean, as a real distress there because history. All you have is a knife or appeal for me. And then you hear these stories. shady gradient Atlanta, in Atlanta. Yeah. You hear Hopkins in Baltimore. And I'm sure every major city has a hospital that Oh, yeah, you go in you ain't coming out. Yeah. I mean, but that's the narrative with the ventilators now, right?

If you go in and you ain't coming out, it's like, that's the narrative. And welcome to the bottom. No, we've been bouncing around here for a while mo it's recognized. Not you. You've you've been like it's even last known to the bottom now. Yeah, it's it's becoming firm that is not racing anymore. It's your status. And if you don't want to take it, then you're on the bottom. And as you heard her say that, you know, I'm, that makes me wonder, like, if you give me this thing,

this stuff for free? What comes along with it? They always take something. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, just as an aside to that, I was watching an Israeli talk show. Well, it was a clip from it, which was subtitled. And it was so funny. The people are outraged, because now they're learning that Israel was really a giant laboratory for Pfizer. And I think it wasn't that obvious. It was, it was like that was the only one you could get it was and everyone was

talking about it that way. And now all of a sudden people like Hey, wait a minute, we were used as a giant experiment, a giant petri dish. will speak in Israel, we got to go back to show 29. And this is clip number 21. For several years, the Israeli government was forcibly administering birth control to a segment of its minority population, with doctors injecting Ethiopian Jewish women

against their will with a contraceptive Depo provera. But it wasn't until this January that a government official finally acknowledged it. And while the government has finally put an end to this inhumane, insane population control tactic, the story has shed light on a dangerous contraceptive that's now being pushed administered on women of color all over the world, including right here in the US. So here to talk about the use of Depo provera. And how this is

targeting minority populations in both here and abroad. I'm joined now by Randy short president and national spokesperson for the anti depper clergy coalition. Yeah, eugenics in the same place, the same place unbeliev you know, I was reading actually was part of my basketball team ownership research. Okay. And, you know,

the Nazis. We all know about operate. We've talked about Operation Paperclip, and how they brought over a whole bunch of the Nazis, including Wernher von Braun, but in World War Two, there were two brothers who had a legal firm and and they represented a lot of the US companies who were doing business with the Nazis, IBM, General Motors, Ford, I'm sorry,

Ford. Dulles, okay, the Dulles brothers, of course, well, and Allen Dulles went on to create the CIA, and has the airport name for him right here in DC. He also was also instrumental in appointing Hoover as creating the FBI. I mean, it's to me it's like it's a very it's an easy hop to say the Nazis. You know, they came in, they never left, they're still still up to their own tricks with the Schweitzer men now they're doing it to everybody.

That's the ultimate goal, right? I mean, that was the ultimate goal then and they're persistent little buggers is that they don't stop you know, thank God I you know, it must be the weed because I really if I think about this too much, you know, I just need to go to sleep at night. It's just it's, it's so it's almost so it's so This what's what probably is going on here that you don't want to believe it.

And that's the crazy part is like what you have to that's why we discussed this and gallows humor and laugh about it, of course, because you have to mock it. That's the only only well the only way to break the spells we gotta market. Right. So speaking of which now we get to get into the history of Johns Hopkins, and his influence on and how is it how his influence parts Baltimore Welcome to The Real News. jessalyn Knorr Johns Hopkins a

renowned institution of higher education medicine. Its name is synonymous with Baltimore, where it serves as the largest private employer, its technological and medical breakthroughs routinely make the news. But recently, Hopkins has grabbed headlines for a different reason. It's found itself the target of protests by community members, students and its own workers who say it's harming the very people it's supposed to serve. They point to Hopkins own legacy in a city that remains haunted by

inequality, racism and segregation. Or joining us in our studio today is a leading expert on these topics. On to row p atella. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you for inviting me. So let's start with who Johns Hopkins was and why he decided to, you know, fund hospital and a university, which at the time was his idea at the time this was in the 19th century, was to make create institutions that would serve everybody, including

African Americans. And, you know, so talk about who he was and why he decided to do that. Well, Johns Hopkins was a direct descendant of William the Conqueror, the New York from Normandy, who overran England in

1066. And so his folks they came from Wales in England, and there were two brothers who went to Rhode Island and four other brothers they came to the Baltimore area and took them then ended up in today's craft and Randall County, where they received several 100 acres of tobacco land from the King of England so he was he was notable person to begin with came from loadable family white privilege just so happens he had bloodlines back the

Conqueror What do you know what do you know? You know, so just for people that don't know who William the Conqueror he is, Are you familiar with him Dad, I don't know my I am actually because of my European schooling. So be very wary. That's why I want you to I'm gonna lean on you on this one. But let's get everybody caught up with who the William the Conqueror is. William of Normandy, known as the Conqueror, arrived on the channel coast from France in 1066. It has become the one date

every English school child knows. As a contemporary writer noted, in this year came William out of Normandy, King Harold came to oppose him and fought most resolutely, and there was great slaughter on both sides. The Battle of Hastings was fought here at a town named battle on the south coast of England. herald the Saxon King was slain with an arrow through his eye on this ridge, where William later built an abbey to celebrate his victory.

England was overcome by force of arms for the last time, and the country had new rulers with very new ideas of how to keep their subjects in order. William's first act on landing and pevensey was to erect a wooden fort within the old Roman walls standing on the site of the present castle. He quickly followed it with one of the best known buildings in the world.

The Tower of London standing on the banks of the Thames nothing like it had been seen before the white tower built with stone brought from Normandy dominated the early London skyline and the minds of those that saw it This was a potent symbol of the new order in short, it was a castle j h really comes from good stock huh I mean, they would wreck the huge buildings you know that dominate the people's it's the same thing with the john Johns

Hopkins Hospital now in the middle of these poor Baltimore neighborhoods right? You have this huge building Am I reaching my Space Jam reaching here just let me know. I mean, no you are and the reason why I know a little bit about this is because I still have my stamp book. Although my although I think I sold my my penny black which was probably worth some good money. Now, I collected British stamps as 14 year old.

And I have a first edition. You know, like, what do you call that, like, the first day it's a comes out, I forgot even what the name is. And you get a little block and it was the Battle of Hastings, it had all the whole story of the Battle of Hastings all as one stamp block. And so that that rings true. This story is true, I have the stamps to prove it, I got received to bring in a new order. It's a great way, of course, to bring in the new order. You kidding me?

I don't make this stuff up. So let's get back to John's decocker. But segregation soon followed because Baltimore was in the midst of a major racial change in 1899 was the turning point. for him. The Democrats came back to power in Baltimore under the slogan, this is a white man city. So all this was reflected in the admission policies or the hospital of which continued to create black patients. But But now in a separate wards.

In your book, you do an incredible job of detailing how the leadership of Hopkins this elite group of people that controlled Hopkins also played critical roles in Baltimore City, and its leadership as well. Talk about how Hopkins Are you talking about how is bankrupt at one time how it grew in prominence, and who some of these key figures were in shaping its its history and its rise? Well, the first both the university and the hospital,

they were governed by separate boards with lots of overlap. And the initial board members were nominated by Hopkins himself. And then afterwards, the connection to Hopkins and his thinking disappeared. And so what we have particularly there are two interesting developments in the history of the Hopkins county complex and one of them is that that Hopkins precedent and handle the university's trustees, they played a major role in this in fostering residential segregation in Baltimore.

One day, one day, we're all going to wake up and we're going to realize who the real racists are. Democrats take over poor segregation, experimentation on on black people. Now I got to give John's a little mishap. We always humanize here. They just kind of hijacked his name now, right? It's not right for us, of course, and but it's the mentality of superiority. Or and that you're poor, you need

medical help. Your body is the only commodity you have. That's why, you know, I'll give you help now on the short term, if you let me just have a piece of you know, saying down the line, and and that's, it's an old story, man, it's an old story in many different versions. And a people wonder why there's district trust me when people went into those hospitals? I can't know this being from a small town in North Carolina. It's like when you go in you

don't come out, right. I mean, that's just in this is, it's, it's fascinating to hear people lose trust in the medical system in the way that it does. Okay, so you're telling You're giving me new information? I mean, this is this is new from our conversation, this

experimentation. I mean, this is this. This is mind blowing. I thought I knew pretty much everything about every kind of story, particularly if something of this magnitude but this they kept this from my from, from my view, this is unbelievable. Yeah. And it's not like they people would know what happened to them. Like all they took this out. No, but he's no, you weren't yourself when you can't. I mean, like, you only go to the hospital if you have to testify. Like, well, I'm Wham odds here.

And if I gotta go, that kind of thing. It's not like you knew that they did something to you, but that that distrust is built in. So I think we stopped at 24 I guess we can get into 25. Hopkins is an interesting story in the sense that what I do in my book, I go through the ethnic rotations in those neighborhoods, and the pattern was the area around Hopkins initially was largely German, then then it became Irish, then it became largely Jewish. And then African Americans, for

various reasons began moving to that area. Now now, today, there is lots of controversy about Hopkins. And it's remaking Oh, that neighborhood which is seen as gentrification, this is his fault. This is a nice Baltimore. And my point in the book is that gentrification really in terms of Hopkins is largely a misnomer because those neighborhoods before the urban changes and racial changes raised the hospital area, those those

neighborhoods favor not for by any means. So what I see happening in East Baltimore today instead of gentrification really is read gentrification, trying to recreate neighborhoods that are financially solvent and can sustain various neighborhood activities and keep it in good shape.

And you in your book, you write that in 1970, the Hopkins hospital's Director of Planning wrote, quote, a hostile black community constantly reminded of past expansion limits future enlargement of the site, the characteristics of the neighborhood, make the area uncongenial for employees, staffs and students. Hold on a second. So now do they they have a hand in this to expand. I mean, obviously, we know what the ultimate

goal was. But what what happens is they want to expand and they just need to make the neighborhood crap so they can tear it down. Correct. And that's what we're seeing what I believe we're seeing everywhere now everywhere, East Austin everywhere. But you see these memes of videos. Hello, the wire, right? So you see this is a meme is going around now of a street in Philadelphia. Where like a guy's kind of riding in the car and has like the fixed camera. He's catching on like

these zombie like, Yeah, sure. Of course. Yeah. Drug addicts. Yep. This is how they justify mass incarceration. See, this is plan. What's the word? obsolescence of people? Oh, people. You take out the series people series people move into you know, by people from California going to Austin or New York going to Florida all these things. All you leave now is a crime ridden cities. That's like what somebody's got to come

in and clean it up. Right? I mean, that's I mean, it's the only right thing to do welcome Larry elder, right you drive down the property value with all the drug addicts the drugs the Fenton on the carpet and on everything else. And guess what? Now you come in bought up pennies on the dollar with this addict. You know what, here's pisses me off. This is the, this is what we initially connected on when I was talking about. I know a gym. That was awesome. Yeah, but nipsey hussle. And I had kind of

seen this happen. And then, you know, after I seen the wire, by the way, God bless Omar, they got Omar. Yeah, that sucks. It's, you know, going back to JC going back to, you know, the Brooklyn Stadium, and it's all the same story. We saw the same thing in New York. Same thing, and I think I think we're seeing I think we're seeing it in Austin, you know, East Austin. Is is, is we had we had to leave. Now it's not it wasn't that horrible, but it was really just around the corner.

You know, as you can read the tea leaves like I did. Yeah, I did that history is Yeah, these people getting cars getting broken to every night down the street, it made me time to move before they move up the block. Break name does a killing every night. We've had 60 in Austin this year, all time record. But that's allowed to happen. Yes, on the property value come when you come to buy it. And this is what happened in Hopkins with the wire and everything else. But just don't believe me

and you. Let's listen to clip number four. And that takes me to my next question. The relationship between Hopkins and the local black residents in East Baltimore. You know, you talk about and the relationship of medical institutions in general. You talk about from doctors to Robin graves. You have a section in your book about that, which is really fascinating. You talk about how Hopkins was known as

the plantation. And you know, there's also people like Henrietta Lacks who, whose genetic material was harvested by Hopkins without her consent as well. That that's true. And so one one of the Hopkins presidents once said that Hopkins is a is not a good neighbor. And all this has come to play in East Baltimore where people remember the days when 1200 homes or 1200 black people were demolished in order for Hopkins to construct a dormitory housing 205 years is

and doctors. So there is lots On a distrust towards the Hopkins, and in the recent controversies that we saw and talk about all this has come to play everything that Hopkins has done in the past all its crimes have have been mentioned to Henrietta Lacks experiments with lead paint all kinds of other stuff. On the towers, yeah. If you're listening on a podcasting 2.0 compatible app, you know what to do? You got to boost that. towers, just like in the wire? Yes, it's exactly the same.

And the reason why I know this relationship, because this is a strange relationship, because he started out saying that Hopkins is the number one employer I think, in Baltimore, maybe in Maryland, I can't recall, but I'll just say Baltimore, the reason why I know this is I'm from Derm. Duke is the same way, right? So it's like, you know, these things happen like we do in the hospital and these kind of things. But at the same time, they a lot of people eat from them literally, like, nurses

keeping these I'm saying these, these types of jobs. So it's this weird relationship that it has with the with the neighborhood or no, and the people that live in them. Yeah, keep on going. I got nothing to know. This is great. This is this is like the best. It's like finding in the gym on Netflix. You know, it's like, holy crap. I know. It's like, when I watched that that damn octopus documentary with the guy living with an octopus for a year. That's how good this is, like octopus level. Good.

So now caution, people costume. Oh, boy. Morning, we have one. We're about to get some pure Anca AJ here. This is Alex Jones. And I'm gonna play the full clip that I took the snippet from concerning Henrietta Lacks. And I found the former Pfizer employee who heads up the project for the main level four bioweapons lab in London, England, that we'll be telling you about. And I watched seven or eight of his videos, and then read scanned over dozens of his

papers. And by the time I was done, my job was on the ground. And it went right back to Henrietta Lacks, that we told you about this black woman that got eaten alive by cancer in one week. And they cut her uterus out, stole it. And it's the basis of all human cloning everything today, the cells won't die. They have factories all over the world that just create her cells. And I've already knew all this, but my God, I didn't know they cloned her. In 1966, they spliced her

with mice in 1966. I mean, we I mean, folks, you've seen the thing where like jumps on things and eat some that's that's what ater and they even say they don't believe it's human doesn't have our genome doesn't have our chromosomes. And they call it another species and debate whether what was in our uterus is an alien. I'm gonna show you Wikipedia, and then I'm gonna show you the actual documents. Now. This little seller right here, because let me tell you, I'm not gonna pretend to know

exactly what they're doing. But let's just say this. It's world in in baby. They're putting Henrietta Lacks cells in you. Love Alex. He always gives you something to think about. And, man, he's, he's been pretty damn close. And a lot of things. Was it I need to I got questions. Alien night. Seriously, Mike. They're not telling us something here. These jeans these, Miss, give me these sales. G's grow like nobody's not know I'm being tongue in cheek when I say elite. But what

is it? Because that makes me ask What are you putting in me or trying to put in in me? You know, these are real. I mean, I'd say this. Like I said, we use gallows humor here. But it's based on a real question of if you have such a great product, tell me what it is. Well, now, let's just be clear, I'm not 100% sure that her cells are being put into any vaccine. Her cells are being used to develop a vaccine. I could be wrong. I don't know. Now, what I'm saying is we were talking just

in generalities here of because nobody knows. If somebody knows something when I mean, even if some a doctor sat down explained it to me. I still wouldn't know. You know, Sam, but the narrative is Why are you hiding this lady from us? Which she's Oh, um, American hero. I mean, if you tell her story, but it's like, No, you don't want to tell her story, because then you have to

tell the whole story. So it's like, oh, well, you know, they play this weird game of like, She's so great, but we can't talk about her because of Well, okay, so what your what your your hypothesis here is that the well, we can't really talk about our because john, this is a controversial that that's kind of covering up something even more sinister. It creates more questions than it for sure does, for sure it

does. And when questions come in doubt come in. And when doubts come in, I'm more reluctant not to go along with it. What's interesting is, is this the same story Tina was telling telling me about and she just read a headline. And I don't know, I mean, I'm curious. I mean, because I haven't seen her name anywhere. No, Tina said Oh, did you hear about the woman who, who got cancer? and seven days later, she was dead? And I said, No,

that's horrible. And, and she said that and I said, Well, what about now I just I've been reading it she she admits right away. I didn't really read it. But I think this this story must be maybe because of Alex. This is a recent alex jones episode. Yes. So that's why it's probably out there. So what's floating around if it's reaching us, it's floating. But Tina's deep, man, she's she's she's the keeper goes deep and wide. So I don't know. I don't know where she's picked that up.

Shout out to the keeper. Yeah. But as he said it, like I said, I'm taking his when you say stuff like that, like she had an alien her uterus, it makes it like very dismissible. But I understand why he does that because it makes headlines, and it gets the word out there. If you sit down with a PowerPoint and boring and like peep, you bore people to death. So it's like, let me look this up is alien or uterus kind of thing. But this is

not. This is not foreign to Alex. I mean, I this he's been saying this, my god for 25 years, they've been growing babies and cows. So he's, he's been kind of on tracking that, you know? Right. So he did say that they're growing factories is growing her sales all around the world, I believe. Let's go over to Dr. Oz and real healer sales. And go ahead. Really hard. That's her. There are millions of Henrietta's cells in there.

Wow. Like in the movie when she has it she goes she's cold. This is warm This is so these are the real cells just through the week for me they're not even have the real selfish movie is fantastic. Medical cars goodies for us Come over here. I actually put them under the microscope. I want you to see them with your own eyes rose. Go ahead, take a loss. Don't poke your eyes out. Look close. This is just like in the movie. Journalist scientists now doesn't she? Wow. And we're

gonna put them up in a big monitor. This is just like in the room I know in the grave. So you guys go ahead and look. And when those don't open, take a look at everybody else. This is what Oprah seeing back here. She's seeing all the cells and he said Little Black dotted ones. The little black dots are the nucleus. That's that's that's actually her DNA. And that is fascinating. And the gray stuff is the cells. So that is so cool. Home we're looking at this sales. Have you seen them? Many

times? Like let's have a little bit here. Okay. I have never held the actual cells in my hand. They're yours. Wow. Don't drop them. You know, you get a healer, a healer and everybody in the crowd. Take some healer home bike seriously. you're pedaling human remains. I mean, I hate to say it. I know I'm being hyperbolic here. But what I'm just saying is for Oprah to be on television. And we say about women you know, whatever about you know, people's bodies and their rights and whatever.

angiology is Pelin Henrietta Lacks around like, I'll take them home with you. They're always fresh groom like tomatoes. Fresh from the farm to the table. But what I thought that's the most disgusting clip out of all I've got so far. your fridge frustrates me for years I've been talking about the eugenicist, actually want to make superhumans you gotta wonder, you gotta wonder, you know is Henrietta Lacks will that maybe that can make people cell free. Generate I don't I don't Who the heck knows

who the heck knows. But Wow, yeah. And this again put it put it on the board we're watching. Yes, we're watching. This is fascinating. I can't I can't watch anything else now I'm going to be scouring the webs. We got to find more about this what's happening right now this is good. Well, what we don't do is peddling. He loves sales. So we got to thank producers, yes, this is, this would be a good time to do it.

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$280 from Emily Andrews, the big baller for today's show. She write quite a no but it's a nice one that I'm happy to share with everybody. Moe and Adam, thank you so much for the work the past two years. Sorry for the long note, but I feel like the background to help you understand where I'm coming from and the impact your conversations has had on me. I believe your podcast single handedly save me from mental side. Which anything with the word side in it and we're saving

you from it. I'm happy to say that I've seen this term cropping up. So we need to keep on we need to put them Yes. In fact, I think I discussed it on no agenda a few a few weeks back men decide indeed. She continues. I'm a white woman who grew up in a suburb of the Dallas, Texas area. I can honestly say the growing up race really wasn't something I noticed. But it wasn't because I didn't learn history. I learned about slavery. Starting in the first grade, I learned about Jim

Crow and the civil rights movement into third grade. I lived in a middle class neighborhood with all colors and religions races irrelevant in the modern era. And I didn't even associate it with different cultures people were American unless they told me otherwise. When I went off to college at the University of the University of Texas, I was totally blindsided by the idea that racism was still such an issue

for people. I didn't even know stereotype serotypes like black people are criminals, or they like fried chicken or they're bad at school because I wasn't in a culture that demonstrated that or even mentioned it as a thing. And of course being from the south myself fried chicken was a staple food and everyone likes fried chicken. Even more baffling to me was the people who would loudly lambasted the fact that these stereotypes existed, would turn around and act like they were reality.

Moving to Seattle, Washington, it was even worse. The people complaining about redlining the most would often lament the property value reduction when black people moved into their neighborhood. They were talking about how it was just black culture, to not want to excel in schools and not to have fathers in the house, which I knew wasn't true. From my experience in the south. They would complain about gentrification and white flight in the same conversation. It was troubling.

But I finally came to the conclusion that the cities and the Northerners were still suffering from racism and weren't integrated yet. I wasn't sure why, but what to do other than to love the people where they were and help them move to less racist ideology. But my heart finally broke when the

George Floyd race riots broke out. It seemed like all the childhood friends I love dearly saw my skin color but for my character, people I treated like my sibling suddenly accused me of being a white supremacist because I was scared to have people riding outside the hospital while I was there for preterm labor with twins at 28 weeks. Seems like the America from my childhood was finally dead and my children would never

experience it. A co worker of mine I love this note, by the way, this is like a co worker of mine pointed me to your podcast and honestly, it's been a huge relief to know that my observations These people aren't just in my head. I feel like this huge weight has been lifted. And I have so much more understanding about what's going on with my black brothers and

sisters. Hearing the clips about Malcolm X in particular has opened my eyes about how even what I consider to be a decently accurate historical education may have missed frame what was going on. It's given me hope that we can someday come together as Americans. That a couple of questions first, what resources would you recommend to learn more about Malcolm X? I've tried to find some of his speeches online, but they really

aren't accessible. Are there books that would be good for someone who wants to at least supplement the education of the public school system, if not homeschooled, I was thinking about creating some sort of civil rights curriculum that integrates your work, but I don't want to steal your pancake mix. So let me know if that's cool. If I were to monetize, I would like to offer 5050 but I'm sure by i'm not sure i want to monetize Jesse yet. Since this would be for social good.

Mo. On the best resource is YouTube, to be honest with you, I mean, knave, people have pieced together all his most of the clips that are remaining. And for a book wise, I always just stick with the Alex Haley version, even though we know Alex Haley was I used to worry like this, but maybe compromise in a way to tamper now some of Malcolm's rhetoric. So yeah,

those are to be my two main sources. Because when you read his clip, when you read his quotes, they don't hit the same way as when you hear. Oh, I totally agree with that. Yeah. It's funny. The middle school teacher friend of ours was over. And now she's very

progressive. And that's cool, because we're friends. But I asked her said something about, you know, the queue is all hot and bothered about, you know, some some trial balloon that has the teachers convinced that this is going to be law against teaching critical race theory, and they won't be able to talk about Frederick Douglass. I mean, seriously. So this, they've been convinced of this. And I say, and I just in talking to, I said, How about mock Mexican? What do you think of

Malcolm X? Ted? Yeah, yeah. Okay, you know, have you ever read any Malcolm X or a bit? I liked him a lot better after he became Nation of Islam? Because he was so anti American before that. Now, what she meant was when he left the nation, no, I asked her three times Really? Yes. Yes. You liked him before? I mean, like, you know who he was. He was not Detroit ran before he taught in the nation. So maybe she didn't want to come? I don't know.

Well, I continue. Second, what do you envision a fully healed America to look like? Is it like the America of the childhood I grew up in? Does it look like something else? But from my podcast, where you can talk to people, but you're not obligated to talk to people, if you don't want to, I think the falseness of it is ruining everything by all that to check these boxes, right. I gotta make sure I have the right set mixture of friends. And we need you know, this gravitate to

people that you're comfortable with. I mean, it seemed like your neighborhood was that way. And if I guess I just don't know if this i think i think it's completely the opposite. I think it's a complete illusion, that we're so divided. It's all on Twitter. It's all on television, that go out to the county fair, you know, go to a concert, go to a comedy show even. I mean, yeah,

not everyone likes every single job. But I think it's, it's, we have much more so many more ways of communicating this podcast as an example. I think it's actually a lot more in our heads than we know. And we're just being told it, you know, it's almost like manifesting it. Well, that's the thing, people I mean, you use the word illusion, and that's another word for magic. Yes. Right. I mean, that was your word, not mine. So that people feel the

spell. Um, so we had to figure out how we night make the spell Nolan, boy, and then we'll get back to where we need to be at. Third. She asks a lot for a big baller but big ballers a big baller. You talk a lot about the gender war. Do you have some suggestions for things women could be doing to support good men? If you need a white woman millennial for the gender bender most of most x? I'm happy to stand in, though perhaps with a pseudonym.

The number one thing women can do is support other women. We're fine. We're fine. It's women when they want to speak up for what they like and men are the ones that shame so so stick up for your sister. Also, is there any way we could get most podcasts set up the same way podcast 2.0 infrastructures the no agenda podcast. I'd love to get some chapters set up of the older episodes. We're all for a number. I don't know. How many of you at least 10 or 15? have chapters, which Dred Scott does.

Going back is actually something you can do. Emily, if you get the hyper catcher app, it's in the app store and I think it's only iPhone. Then you can set the chapters, with images and with, with comments as suggestions. So you could do that for any older show. You'd want to do that for it. And then you can do it while you're listening. So that would be really cool. Then other people can help as well. Anybody can help with that. Actually. Yes. Go find drab at

podcast, index dot social. And to wind it up here for Emily. She has please give me a D dead beating. Congratulations. You're no longer dead v. And she'd like some good decision making karma. She's considering quitting her job to become a stay at home mom with three young boys. When she asked her own question what she could do for me. There you go. Best thing you can do right there. Here's your karma. Thank you very much. You've got your sister in

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we got to get there. We got to here we got 65 for Episode 65 and 66 as he comes in again, for Episode 66 today, so we got you there john would really appreciate it. Madeline Riley, another executive producer. I love the show. $200 she sent found yo when Adam was on higher side chats, skipped around listen a few episodes, but I've now started starting with the

first one and somewhere in the middle. It's very interesting to go back and listen to the shows that are more about current events, Biden, Chinese buyers, etc. and compared to what actually happened. While sitting on my patio listening to the show, I was trying to decide how much I wanted to donate. I looked up and saw a hummingbird two feet away from me. That has never happened. A few minutes later, I see the largest butterfly I have ever seen as I grab my phone to start the

donation process the time is 111 crazy. Sorry for the long message appreciate your work. Yes, it's called synchronicity. Thank you very much Madeline and messenger butter. Messenger. Hummingbird is work. I told you I don't know what work joke but I love that. I think that Hummingbird isn't even really even a bird. I think it's a it's an insect. Really? Yeah, I think so. No, ruin it for me. Though it could be a bird for you. I have tons of them out here. So yeah, we

have one here. 210 is really happy because she planted this new thing with the pink flowers, a purple flowers and hummingbirds are on it. Duty six B, also $200 Hi, Mo really enjoyed your live stream last night. I look forward to catching more of those as they happen. Your sharing is a beautiful part of this amazing journey I'm on after years of

challenges. I divorced in 2017. After 35 years, and have grown so much from all of the change God or whatever we name it keeps bringing wonderful teachers into my world that I'm so very grateful. I appreciate your openness and hard work. And this is just a downpayment. Best of wishes to you and your sweet family. Isn't that nice? Can I ask people to do one thing? I know people don't watch it on YouTube. But go and comment and like do videos.

Because what it does is it tricks the algorithm to bring more people in, um, and then we can siphon them off for YouTube. That's the whole the whole point is to help help us siphon siphon it off a YouTube please. That's exactly what we're trying to do. We're taking we're taking them off to podcasting 2.0 and we got to get them in I got him in the loop first. Very close to the live streaming podcast apps. I'm waiting for it and I'm waiting.

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case, the fall equinox. It's also my birthday. So even though it's next Wednesday on a noon show Wednesday, which is mercury by non show Wednesday, which is mercury no such thing as a nice show Wednesday. Hint hint. Here would you say? That's right. Exactly. There's always a show on some Wednesdays Okay, Wednesday, which is mercury Yes. McCurdy, the God of art, commerce and communication whose color is orange. I would like a biscuit for my 22nd 20 September

22 birthday. I'm turning 37 WUSA, and please give a shout out to my man Joey J. I'll take some mo karma for the LP I'm working on if I weren't busy enough for just started my show six of swords That one's backup. So a mohawk. So I want to uh, WUSA, please gbg. onwards. Great word, gentlemen. I'm impressed and more so I'm grateful sir Nathan Lee. They always give me a biscuit on my birth control on a goat for karma. You've got 66 from clay Wilson. Mo he says the quality of the show just

keeps improving and 65 was a particularly great episode. Whoo sauce for everyone. Hopefully quick question. Have you seen the HBO series Lovecraft country? Have you have not not not watched it but now I'm happy to go back and watch it, but a tragic loss of microwave not to give away the whole plot but it revolves around an A das

man in 1950s. America discovers he is the last male line of an ancient magical bloodline, and the efforts and the efforts of two competing covens Calvin's attempt to sacrifice him to control his power beyond broadcasting many of the themes you've alluded to in many episodes it is genuinely worth a watch and quite entertaining if not a little distressing. It also features the new sadly now late Michael k Williams aka Omar of the wire. If you made it that far. Look into what was planned

from the show runners for the now cancelled season. Go podcasting? Yes, everybody. Got to watch that too. I gotta watch this. This I gotta watch this 2017 movie from Oprah. Very busy. It's gonna be super busy. Time that is small doses telling small in small doses because you know, I mean trauma based entertainment. Yes, you have to take in a small it can

hurt the amygdala. That's true. That's absolutely true. Edwin Torres 55 gbg gave blacks guns and forgot to request deadbeat on my first day nation and can have a biscuit for my birthday on 928 you bet always give me a biscuit on my birthday. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat crystal Hart's associate executive producer of $50 we thank you Chris summer Norris $50. Mo is the professor I wish I'd had in my African American lit class circa late 90s. Washington State University

fascinating dive into the history of Cosby. I loved it too. So good. Ramon Johnson $50, our final Executive Associate associate executive producer for Episode Number 66 with $50. And Ramon says, Why not be honest with people about pop control? Are we not honest about the show is about population control. What shall we listen to remote? That's the whole point of everything. I mean, we said that earlier. Earlier shows that that's all roads lead to

population control. I mean, it's kind of like the maybe we don't talk about it enough. But it's like, understood. Yeah, I think it's been it's been a continuing theme throughout everything. Yeah. Right. It's like kind of my people I want you to do a show on Oprah It's like she cuz she comes up in almost every episode. By the way, do you know that the the CNN, Doctor lady who's you know who's on who's now always on saying, Oh, you know, make

them have a vaccine passport to go on airplanes and trains. You don't have the right you know who she is? Lena. Wait, no. She She was the former she's the former CEO of Planned Parenthood. Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, I mean, Case in point. I mean, what do you Genesis right out in front with this one? Maybe because we say you Genesis people don't might link that the population control but

well just go look at the population mom. This is it's the same people, some of them are still around today with the climate change hoopla. They've always been the they being the elites have always complained about having too many people. That's gonna get out of control. What are you gonna do? And, and that's the core of the Genesis and then we get the Nazis we brought in, apparently, and they're still doing cool experiments. Great time. We don't talk about a name but that's the whole spirit of

what's going on pretty much it and pretty. They want us dead folks. One way or another go. Thank you very much to these executive producer and associate executive producer of Episode Number 66 of mo faxes. Adam Curry will be thanking some more people in another segment coming up. But right now let's get back to the show. So Ramon wanted some population control. So 30 China tried to ship enough fentanyl into the United States to kill everybody in the US. Yeah, I'm in agreement with that.

Well, sadly, it killed one of our favorite people, Omar now. Michael K. Williams. I am so we have to talk about it. Because you're a newly minted wire fan, which I think wire can have it on like what's it called? cosplay or Comic Con like you that shows problem where you could probably have that now but Oh, yeah. Because when people like everybody said, Oh my god, Omar died. Omar died. I was like what? Who? raised me like oh, Omar and it's like so?

Oh, yeah, I mean it I immediately knew it because I just just fresh from watching. So that's why I like Oh, man. You just, you know, make everybody aware that you had finished the wire last show. Yeah. Now this so? Well, we got to talk about it. So let's go ahead and get into 31. But more now on the breaking news we've been following tonight the death of actor Michael K. Williams who was found dead inside his

apartment in Brooklyn. And EYEWITNESS NEWS REPORTER Lucy Yang is live outside his apartment in Williamsburg now with more Lucy. What David family friends co stars and fans are reeling from the death of Michael Kenneth Williams. today. We're in Williamsburg in front of the luxury condo where officials confirm the 54 year old actor was found inside his penthouse apartment by your nephew around two o'clock this afternoon. Officials report there was drug paraphernalia around his body.

The me is on site right now and will determine if this was a drug overdose. His body has not yet been removed from his apartment. The Brooklyn born actor grew up in NYCHA housing in East Flatbush, he went on to win critical acclaim for his many roles, including for his portrayal of Omar little in the HBO series, the wire, a gritty shows set in the drug dealing underworld of New York City. It may have been a little too close

to reality of drugs did play a role in the actor's death. HBO just a few minutes ago released a statement mourning the loss of their HBO family member of more than 20 years. Michael K. Williams was 54 years old. New York City. Yeah, get a rope. No, she said it was the wire was based in New York. Oh, she said that. Oh, crap. What an idiot. Baltimore one job. Get the obituary, right lady? Come like, What? How do you get that wrong? Because she was confused with Brooklyn and all that was no but

still, that's how they get everything wrong. It's always wrong. You know, I just speak to general observation, General macro observation. With the knowledge that the CIA most likely is always been running the drugs out of Afghanistan, the poppies or process or not whatever, to see Denzel Washington and American Gangster True story. Right. Afghanistan, that whole thing blew up and we pulled out. And the next day

we've got people dying from fentanyl. Or at least the stories are showing up in the news. Yeah, I mean, maybe Dallas is 2016 I know. But they resigned from fentanyl, not from heroin. And it just it's like it ratcheted it up. It's like Whoa, did the CIA supply really truly get shut off? Do they have no way to bring it in anymore? And therefore it's all fentanyl. I

mean, it was it as Alec says it's truly an attack. The Chinese this this probably you're still pissed off over the Opium Wars, even though that was the Brits but okay. Well, we had to back up a little bit, because we talked about planned obsolescence, right that you have to send it like with heroin, it takes so long. And I say that like so morbidly with the leaves look like cow we gotta wait from the die.

Like Skid Row, like Skid Row. That's where you know, we need some hardcore something one hitter that's gonna kill him. And something that we can put into every drug because just from my research, Michael k k whales drug but he struggled with cocaine, heroin, and they said drug paraphernalia, so that makes you think like, he has stems and not asking me spoons and spikes in a bill and those kinds of things all around them. Right. So what? He never out all the clips I've

looked through. He never mentioned anything about using heroin. Yes. This is a known unknown fact that this is now popping up in cocaine. In particular in in Brooklyn. And weed. In weed. Yes. Okay, now you have my attention. No, I'm serious. I'm serious by this. I actually posted on my arm. On my Twitter page. There is no, I mean, why would anything they sprinkle anything on weed? Right? They were doing

the same thing with like, LSD, LSD, but PCP. Um, you know, for a while they were doing that, and they were doing a embalming fluid for right. Wow. I mean, if you got trash weed, you got to move it. Why not? You know, sprinkle something on it. And this is why I brought the story up. And we're not as you're saying fitting. Oh, yeah. carfit now can't wear that no, car fentanyl is like the is like the it's like, I think maybe heart are strong and fit now.

It's like the methane of natural gas. Right. Geez. This stuff is taking people I mean, like, Well, I know. I know. I know. I know. I've been sent a message to my stepdaughter. She's New York and she's 24 hours a day. Just Don't be an idiot. Right? Because you don't know what your investors think about it. It's not like before, I mean, they're pressing appeals and it's what what I think happened is even if you can't It is so such a small dose that you can't separate saying like, if

you get like a little clump with seasoning your food. If you just say like you get a little clump of strong seasoning when you bite into one bite. You're dead. Oh, no, I know it. There's been cops who have just been around it and they and they almost die. Right. And so I think with him when they said drug paraphernalia. I don't actually I know everything he talked

about was cocaine. So what's really going on here but as we talked about before I think they're they're cleaning up streets that mean this is Vegas crate and especially if you're thinking about it with the how Baltimore you need to get the people and the sad thing about it is the addicts are going to chase it oh yeah oh yeah if they make it through it they'll want it yeah I mean somebody died and like that was the one to ruin things on wire right when make some money have a good package

to Mike die overdose all the rest of the addicts we're looking for that package. Yeah, I'm just looking at some some new stories has been going on for about a year and a half or two years looks like with that car fit now. It just says fentanyl as a just a note on research. This was saying I think this misnomer. I don't know why they're not using the proper term for cuz they're two totally

different substances. And it's called everybody just I didn't know that carfentanil I think it's nice to have the tea in though it's like carfentanil without the tea. Okay, also look into it. But yeah, it's like 10 or 100 times stronger than fitting Oh, well it's bad enough in itself Yeah. Me Like so. What are we doing here and a night um yeah, so I want to get into his backstory here with Michael k Williams is no supersedes his

like drug use. Um, let's get into where we're at. Let's get into 32 and this is Michael K. Williams death leaves painful void How many times have you been arrested as an adult Mr. Little lost count. He was the tour de force on screen and in the kind of put my gun on no citizen. You are a moral. You are a parasite leeches off just like you culture of drugs. Excuse me. I got the shotgun.

Got the briefcase. Still in the game though, right. known for playing what many would go on to call the greatest character on television ever. Omar Liddell, from the white man cadaver Co. Michael K. Williams, the beloved actor and performer from East Flatbush, Brooklyn was found dead in his New York apartment on Monday afternoon. A family member discovered Williams dead drug paraphernalia was found in the home. While the cause

of his death is still unknown. The NYPD is investigating it as a possible drug overdose things where you never expect someone who seems to be at the prime of their career to come to something like this. Williams electrifying audiences with rousing and chilling performances as chalky white in the period gangster series Boardwalk Empire. He's here my dad tunes. What do you got to do with well, building no bookcase, inmate Friday night in the night of and most recently as Montrose

Freeman. The complicated closeted father in Lovecraft country. One of my favorite roles. His was the Boardwalk Empire and Boardwalk Empire with a Yeah, that was good. Yeah. Everybody talks about it like the why I mean, of course, cuz that was his breakout. Right. That was a great show. And he had a very interesting role that he played in that in that period piece. So this is just the backdrop once again, you hear drug

paraphernalia? I don't know what they're doing with that. I mean, like, I mean, why why are they stressed in the paraphernalia thing? it what it does? In my mind, it just paints the picture of like, they're trying to say it's like a heroin overdose, because that's just what that's certainly what you think about Yeah, right. So I'm just just, that's what I'm saying with that, but so they're gonna go on and speak more and part two about his, his addiction and his accolades.

But it was that distinctive scar on his face that changed the trajectory of his entire career. You're not nearly as scary as I thought you were going to be the actor telling Dan Harris in 2008 how he got it, you know, 25 years old, barroom brawl, drinking and drugging, you know, out of my mind, it became this distinctive defining characteristic of him. That sort of helped him create the balance between edge and tenderness and, you know, this hardened past but a hope for a warmer future.

And I will put a bullet in all your bio and what happened right now you are, but it was his nuanced role as Omar Liddell in the wire, a black openly gay hustler that was unheard of in Hollywood, which cemented Williams as star power as you told me out the On a successful playing an openly gay thug on television, I couldn't have seen this comment in a million years. Up until that point, so many people had never seen a black gay man on TV. And when they had seen them, it was in the guise

of flamboyance and flightiness. But oh, my little, no, on top of being this really, you know, sort of fascinating anti hero, his sexuality became a part of his identity that couldn't be ignored. Obviously, portrayal of little so iconic to garner the attention of President Barack Obama, Omar's Oh, by the way, my favorite character, what do you think when you heard Barack Obama said you were his favorite character?

You know, my first reaction about that was was based on my mother to see the proudness of her face, and to see how her eyes lit up made my day. So you got here like this Obama theme, just listen for it. But um, I have to disagree with the gentleman's analysis that the gayness was a, like, a standout part of his character, which it wasn't in a way it was because it was shocking at the time. But they didn't make his character about being gay.

is no normal, no more than, than any of the other characters who were making out with women in the show was it was it was not central to the it might have been, it wasn't even central to the plot, where there was some other things going on, you know, with the kid who was in jail, and then you know, the guy goes there and hooks up with his wife. So I mean, that's, that's the thing is, I saw that they were trying to, rightfully so paint him as a gay rights activist in

a way. I mean, when they were covering his death. Oh, really? I thought, that good actor, that's all I saw. I mean, that's what I saw, too. But I mean, even when they brought them back around, and what was it called the one that we were suggested to watch. The Lovecraft had to go back to planning a closeted gay character. So that Right, right, yeah. So I just found it interesting that they took that angle, because that's what made the wire so great. And in my

opinion, the greatest television show ever. Because everybody was humanized. Yeah, it was real. Yeah, it was like, Okay, I know a person like that, or, you know, that's believable. It wasn't just like, shooting gun sideways. And, you know, all the stereotypical things that come along with not only being black, but being gay, right? p was a man at the end of the day, I'm with you. Like, he's not my words, his words, like you only saw black man as being flaming. And this is a first

representation that we saw like this. So, um, so now we get to go to your favorite guy. Ra. You're supposed to say your buddy, your buddy, Ari. He's your buddy Ra. He's a pal of the pod. Yeah. He talks to Michael about his role on the wire. I gotta say. I mean, you can make a national news. That is, that is not an endorsement. He was not my favorite person. But he's a fascinating character. And there's a real life story of a gay gangster who only robbed

drug dealers. And that gives back in a sort of Robin Hood, what do you think about playing a character that made such an impression on Barack Obama? It was, it was eye opening experience. For me, the impact that had on me was on to say I was humbled was and then again, an understatement. But I wasn't living my best life when that happened. Really, what do you make? I was, um, I was caught up in my own personal whirlwind. You know, I'm the why was my

breakout role. I didn't you know, I didn't handle my wasn't handling my finances, or that that started them very well. You know, people calling me Omar was having an effect on my psyche. You know, I wasn't using my platform, the way I believe I'm

beginning to do today to help further my community. You know, when President Obama called me out, basically, I had no knowledge of anything that was going on, or I was one of those people that pretty much went to sleep when when we elected him into office, and I stopped caring. Thanks, Obama. Interesting. Is this thing like what made you would do it? I don't know. I just want to do as a quick aside When black people have any contact with Obama, it's like so your Obama moment? How was it?

Yeah, we me, how was it? I mean, it was alright. In the fact that Obama didn't recognize Michael K. Williams. He recognized his character, but he's like, how's it feel for Obama to recognize you? Like, seriously? Tell me Gosh, it's my okay. I mean, like, it's just when you heard it, you heard it before, right? The same thing with Obama likes you. You like that's like their stamp of approval or something that you've been, you've been blessed. You've been touched by His Holiness.

Right? It's kind of like when Oprah will say something about your product right? by it, yeah. Kind of the same thing. But that didn't last long. But I just found that weird. They would. They constantly did this and clips of like, a talk about Obama. Obama. I'm here to talk about my show where he was there to talk about a juvenile justice. And he had gotten

involved in I don't wanna say politics, their policies. He was trying to get people to vote, but that was like their thing like Omar Omar can reach him. Oh, of course, it mean, Ari. Melbourne, is a political operative. Correct. So that's, that's why they bring up you know, it's talking about Ari's boss. That's really what's going on. Yeah, by any means is necessary that are you he'll try to get you to this year, to a certain point. But if we're going to

talk Why are we taught wire? So this is just as we talked about Baltimore, in the last segment, I thought we had to tie Baltimore in with this because Baltimore was a character itself in the show the wire right I mean, the city itself horse character, hmm. So this is probably one of the best supporting actors or supporting characters for the size and role here in any television show was clay Davis.

I know he was good enough to let us stage in the council, sweetly inaugurations, no data to find showing in the general no doubt 81% 82 in a city where Democrats outnumber republicans not in what anything less would have been an embarrassment. So what can we do for you, Senator? Well, first of all, I wanted to clear the air. If there are any hard feelings over what happened during the primaries, you're going to give the money back. It's been a very long day. Cut

to the chase. Understand you have a problem at the top of the police department. You asked Burrell to resign he declined. I'm looking for a replacement. The ministers like Burrell soldiers council president, we're confident that when we identify a suitable candidate, Miss Campbell and the ministers will see the wisdom of new leadership. So we are need to

get a pay raise through the city council pay raise would help. I can ask the Reese about that pay raise getting passed, maybe convince some of the ministers they need to move on from the rail. situation we have to be resolved sooner rather than later. do my best partner. And what do we do for you in return? I'm in Annapolis. Word I'm hearing you may be there too. And a couple of years. we may find ourselves working together closely. Thanks for your time. Jesus Christ apologizes for the

short card. And in the next breath and the sound for the law. humoristic is the ease and we know what the long con is. At least we know we've run in what she Yeah. One of the greatest catchphrases from a television show as well. But yeah, this clip this might embody what the wire was about the ministers and the politicians in the streets and how they all interconnected in this little Baltimore, um, to be a major city is small. But that's that was the greatness of

the show. But I have this clip that I found when I was doing the Henrietta Lacks segment. And tario patella. On actually how Baltimore worked in this way. I wanted I one of the other really fascinating things in your book. You talk about the history of policing involved. More. And you you've said, You told me before the interview that you sort of see some parallels today, we might be

under a new age of surveillance. You know that if it's not already started today and and I think one of the most fascinating things in your book, you talk about how the the so the Baltimore chapter of the Black Panther Party was actually started as part of a cointelpro operation, which is run by the FBI to sort of sort of infiltrate the national chapter, which was based in Chicago and in Oakland,

right. And so so what happened was that an army veteran who had joined the National Security Agency, which had built a new headquarters near Baltimore, was sent here to create a Black Panther Party in Baltimore. But the interesting thing about that kind of surveillance was that what I just talked about was an FBI operation. What also happened at the same time was that there was a very significant penetration of the activist scene in Baltimore by the Baltimore City Police

Department. And this also has some political implications because a crucial election came in Baltimore in 1971 mayoral election, and so so for for the police department did a penetrate the the campaign's of William Donald shaffers, to black opponents, and then fed all that surveillance information to his campaign. And at the same time, the police department also had under surveillance, many of the aspiring black office seekers felt the wire was a documentary.

So many truth bombs. That's just insane, isn't it? Especially with the surveillance? Well, that's why I put that in. Yeah. Wire pairs, they were it was just to be Wow, always be on camera. I mean, they lived their lives under 24 hour surveillance. And they actually had this story come out of Baltimore, how they were using drones to to surveil Baltimore. So it's crazy, right, then they use the Black Panther Party. Yes. The cointelpro more. Which makes you look at the Baltimore riots differently.

When I when I heard that, I was like, Huh, oh, who knows? Who knows? Again, we're living in a simulation. Totally. I mean, this stuff is really happening, but it's not exactly what you think it is. I thought that was too good to leave on the class. Great. Appreciate, but now we get because it's pertinent. But can you do me one favor, and go search by the next clip on YouTube search by that title? And you're gonna get it, I forgot to send you the

screenshot. But I want you to see the picture of Michael K. Williams, and the what the pictures is in the chair on the left hand side of him, why you could do it while we're playing this next clip, but okay, if you could feel by the brokers, quite frankly, made me sick to my stomach. When I I was ignorant to the narrative and the subject

of what this movie was was addressing. And I remember personally, you know, one of those many nights when I was crying myself to sleep, listen to BB cc line is I with I would see these these commercials about the, you know, these elaborate beautiful recovery centers, you know, mostly most of them within Malibu, and I would, I would say, Man, if I could get there, maybe I could just get my life together. And to think that that was never really the that was never the

intent. Yeah. And that's what the movie explores is, you know, we talked about the amount of profit that people make selling drugs, but there is money also in the rehab process, as well, where people exploit folks trying to get help this you have this pivotal moment that happened in your life that involved in senator brock obama on the campaign trail since 2008. And that's

actually what I just interviewed him and met him as well. I'm living in Chicago, and he's got this book of hope and all these things. And you said that I just didn't feel worthy of meeting this man. You're in the room, you're there for a reason, but you didn't feel worthy. Why the impact of my ignorance, actually and, you know, it was like, Well, how does the future president of free world you know, see me what makes him watch the wire? And more

importantly, how come I don't know who he is? How come I don't know what he's about. Nobody knows Obama. Nobody knew who Obama was prior to 2007 2008. I was just talking about that at dinner. I said, you know, one term senator, we don't have any of his records. We can't find anyone who actually attended a class that he taught constitutional law. Been. Everything's been locked up. We don't really think about that guy. So did you see the picture?

Are you talking about the picture of him with the Kings County? New York t shirt? No. Is that will it look over to the left hand side where he's in frame? It's a picture on the chair to the left hand side. Yeah, there's like a dude like a What can I see here? Yeah, guys. Enhance rotate. Zoom. Okay. It's I'm at Mac zoom. Is that Obama kissing him? Oh, no, that's not what I'm seeing. Hold on. This must be something else on a second. So it's in. We don't

want to belabor the point. But are you kidding me? If If Omar is kissing Barack, I got this is worth stopping the whole damn show for hold on us. Oh, oh, I got it. I got it. I got it. I gotta get home. Now that's not Brock. You sure? I couldn't make it out. That's why I didn't ask the question. Um, why would you have that picture sitting on the chair and that signature looks like the end. This signature does look a little bit like, you know what,

I can't zoom in enough now. But that is definitely going to the lab. And I'm gonna I'm gonna put this in the show notes. Everyone's got a Yeah, but it is it's just laying there on the chair. Like it's he did it on purpose. Right. Wow. That would be a weird picture anybody else to have in the frame? It's like a you got me Got me. Oh, by Barry. Oh, memorabilia. Wow, that's crazy. I know people are asking me why berrio Why Why are you stressing

brock obama with him? Right? Well, he had this movie called body brokers. And in the movie, it covers the the loopholes created in the rehab system. And with the ACA, also known as the Obamacare. The Affordable Care Act. Yeah, uh huh. Yes. So you, you want to get your strikes? Yes. Yes, stop teasing. I'm going to let you in on a little secret. In 2008, when the Affordable Care Act was designed, it required every health care provider to cover substance abuse treatment, as

right since the bill was passed in early 2000s. sober livings, 100 inpatient treatment centers and 200, detoxes have opened up shop. Just in Southern California alone. Yeah, business is fucking for me. That's nearly 35,000 beds that need to be filled each month, and almost half a million that need to be filled a year. Off the top of my head, that's somewhere around $12 billion dollars annually. And again, that's just in Southern California. This is what we in the treatment

industry called the fucking Gold Rush. yellow gold. You probably wouldn't believe it. pison This cup is worth more than an ounce of white truffle, Beluga caviar, platinum, gold or even rhino horn. Each cup of peerspace $2,000. And each client can test up to five times a week. Do the math. That's $10,000. A fucking week off this. There are three phases of treatment. detox, we generally Bill 4000 a day for the typical state being between seven and 10 days. next phase was residential. The average

days 60 days at $2,000 a day. Lastly, is outpatient. We built 20 $500 a day for this. Based on a 90 day program, detox residential intensive outpatient anyways, that's 300,000 per person per 90 days. somewhere like new West has 60 million billed every quarter and wait for it 72 million build a year. You fucking heard me 72 million. So not only do I remember that. I actually remember the whole controversy about that. And everyone's like what is going on

is printing money. It was in the first year. So two is really quick right off the bat this first term. Where else is testing being big now? Correct. Coronavirus every employee has to be tested. That's a weak same damn scam. Well you also know who recently bought a testing company. Our guest Bill Gates, George Soros yes actually together the two of them together bought that the testing is worth more because she is no no no, we

don't want you to take the vaccine as a one time thing. No, no, no, no,

I have. So I had to travel to Europe to see my daughter and because of the three day rule 72 hours and I was worried I did one on Saturday one on Sunday. And I had to drive to carville's like piece of crap town to the CVS First of all, the test was drive thru so you drive up, give him your your, your assurance card, and you have to understand I have hi Oscar is the name of my insurance like it's disaster insurance because it's, I'm just

not gonna throw money away so I have like an $8,000 deductible. So I give her that and she give me the bags. Okay, here it is. Just go ahead and park in the parking lot. swab your nose and drive through again and drop it off. So the first thing is like, wow, okay, so this is for a document that is supposedly going to allow me to enter into the European Union and I can just stick it under my armpit and throw it into the test tube. Okay. today or yesterday, I got the I got the receipts for the

for the insurance. Both are paid in full. You know, the you know, who's paying for your you know, who's paying it? Right. It's not CVS. every employer has to have one test. per employee. Yeah. A week. Oh, yeah. No, I've done the numbers. The Presidents Oh, we got 80 billion tests. Yeah, that'll last America about three weeks. Right. We're not impressed with your 80 million tests. So we saw this. We saw this done before this game. I mean, he called it the yellow gold.

liquid gold. Yeah. Oh, no. Oh, and these are agendas. The Vax pressure to roll out is more the pharmaceutical industry than the then government Believe it or not, it all works. This case. Yes. Same way with this case, my Hey, let's get the addicks and the thing was they would tell the you know us that we're no respectfully at it, but they will tell them recovering addicts, or you gotta come in dirty. scam to work. Yeah. Wow. encouraging

them to go back and I will be doing a deeper dive on this. But I just wanted to bring that up. But since we're talking about this is AJ type of show. Dirty man. The FBI calls people running these businesses quote, body brokers, people who traffic body parts and tissue from dead people. Now this is a search warrant for the biological Resource Center of Illinois. But in these pages, it spells out details of what investigators say they found here in Arizona.

The FBI says at least 20 bodies donated to biological Resource Center and sold to another body supplier had infectious diseases things like Hepatitis B and C mersa, meningitis, sepsis, even HIV. Those remains were sent to surgical training workshops where workers told investigators they never would have used in

best infected body parts had they known. We talked to a woman who said she had planned to donate to BRC, even though she had cancer and was part of a hepatitis outbreak as a kid she was shocked to hear they might be passing off diseased parts as healthy. I don't want to make anybody sick can't imagine it being true. But I'm not naive people will make $1 any way they can.

Okay, so she knows but Elizabeth did the donors and their families know what these remains would be used for according to the Warrens. Stephanie the families were told their donations would not be sold But investigators say they discovered body parts were sold at times for 1000s of dollars you know a lot of this is really unbelievable what's legal what isn't legal? Well it might shock you but it isn't illegal to trafficking

body's organs and tissues of dead people. It crosses the line though when those donation centers say they have the donors permission to use the remains in a way that they do not sound familiar? Yes, it does. It does it does Johns Hopkins a body broker by definition Oh totally and and I'm gonna just gonna throw Planned Parenthood back out there again. Throw all that shit in there. Oh my goodness. That's crazy. Well, we don't broker in bodies over here. We make our money the hard way.

I like money. I just I don't want any money around me is not I'd almost rather have a new one than a brand and then an old 20 that's kind of dumb and but there's some bad new money that excites you. Like $100 bills. The most beautiful thing on earth is $100 bill I haven't seen a woman has good luck. Is there something that excites you? Yes, that is right. We liked the new money when that clip was

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moved out of Austin? We're 80 miles west. We have a well we have well water. And I've had this plant called the money plant might have my my agent 12 years ago gave it to me when I used to my agent, guilt plant Adam, you love it. So I've kept this thing with me for 12 years. It's it's been through for marriage. It's been on the road with me touring in the airstream. And I've always taken care of it. I love it. It's called buzz name is plant plants around plant is in a similar

situation. But now it's being fed with the well water. Holy crap. This thing's on fire now. Telling me the city water is crap. This is one of those means to say that this is a classic this is this is the classic. This is a classic AJ. But there's some there's some truth behind it, but we got to find it. So we got to talk about Tyrone Hayes and him being targeted by the herbicide firm.

Yes, now we turn to the story of a university of california scientists who discovered that a popular herbicide may have harmful effects on the endocrine system. Tyrone Hayes was first hired in 1997 by a company that later became agribusiness giant Syngenta. They asked him to study their product, their product Atrazine, pesticides, more than half the corn crops in the United States and widely used on golf courses and

Christmas tree farms. But after Hayes found results that the manufacturer did not expect that Atrazine causes sexual abnormalities in frogs and could cause the same problems for humans. Syngenta refused to allow him to publish his work. This was the start of an epic feud between the scientist and the corporation.

Now a new article on New Yorker magazine uses court documents from a class action lawsuit against Syngenta to show how it sought to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from banning the profitable chemical, which is already

banned by the European Union. To start with the company's public relations team drafted a list of four goals reporter Rachel Aviv writes quote, The first was, quote discredit Hayes in a spiral bound notebooks and generous Communications Manager Sherry Ford, who referred to Hayes by his initials, wrote that the company could prevent citing of th data by revealing him as non credible he was a frequent topic of conversation at company meetings and gentle look for ways to exploit Hayes

faults problems. If th involved in scandal. enviros will drop him Ford road. Yep, the good old Atrazine followed it for quite a while. Did you follow Tyrone Hayes? Not at all? Never it? Never. Of course. I mean, of course. Well, no, I didn't mean it that way. Of course, not. Never, never we put you know, we talked about Atrazine on no agenda for several years. silenced. Of course, he was totally crap. I thought you had to trust the science. Now, not when there's money involved. That's my

point. Here's the black man telling people that they're frauds are gay. And they silenced him. Oh, man. You want to hear more about Tyrone? Yes, yes. Once or twice? We'll stop teasing. It's not fun when you do that. Yes, you know, I do you know? Well, here at Berkeley, I was a new assistant professor. I was already studying the effects of hormones and effects of chemicals that interfere with hormones and amphibian

development. And I was approached by the manufacturer and asked to study the effects of Atrazine, the herbicide on frogs, and after it sub discovered that it interfered with male development and caused males to turn into females to develop eggs. The company tried to prevent me from publishing and from discussing that work with other scientists outside of their panels. Well, initially, we found that the larynx or the

voice box in exposed males didn't grow properly. And this was an indication that the male hormone testosterone was not being produced at appropriate levels. And eventually, we found that not only that were these males, D masking alized or chemically castrated, but they also were starting to develop ovaries are starting to develop eggs. And eventually, we discovered that these males didn't breed properly, that some

of the males actually completely turned into females. So we had genetic males that were laying eggs and reproducing as females. And now we're starting to show that some of these males actually show I guess, what we call homosexual behavior. They

actually I prefer to meet with other males. So one of the most disheartening things in this whole process is that many of my critics, you know, it's want to be academic if you come and say, well we interpreted the data this way and we want to argue about this point but these people really didn't even have an opinion this these opinions were written by the manufacturer and they were paid to put their names on it to endorse the opinions of the manufacturer so you know, that's one of the most

disheartening things if they were really just personalities for sale Yeah, personalities for sale personalities for sale what is their goal here? You know, I'm like you have this black scientists from the University of California Berkeley are accredited did the work had the scientific proof and they set out to destroy him? Because they didn't like his narrative and he went and played ball well, it's so i i don't think that they that this was purely profit

driven. I'm going to initially presume be accused of After all, it was a it was a about frogs. It was an amphibious steady, and they just don't want any negative any negative noise. And so I don't think it was killed to turn children gay turn Jamboree. No, but believe me, believe me, I got a look at all these all these angles. Right. But what I'm saying is even his blackness when he in if you look at Tyrone, um, he showed up with like a lavender

and black, black plaid jacket. And he you know, he seemed somewhat feminine. I'm not making no making any assumptions about him. But it's like, you say if he was no gay, gay and black couldn't even protect him from being harassed and silent. Right, right. When it comes to the green. It doesn't matter how many frogs folks, when it comes to the green. Nobody save. You have to push the agenda. That's the point. I'm trying to push with this segment. That it doesn't matter about the science.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. He's a sharp dresser. He's a very sharp dresser. Give him even more credibility in my book, to come out and say, Oh, no, wait, Hayes lives in California with wife Kathy Kim and their two children. Okay. Doesn't mean he doesn't mean he's not gay. You don't mean nothing. Right. I mean, what I'm saying is the fact that on his walk campus Yeah, no, I hear you be railroaded and the black person which, you know, Oh,

okay. Yeah, the Berkeley the Berkeley part is makes it very annoying. I gotcha. Now very annoying. Yeah. Um, but I will say this, welcome to the bottom. The reason why I did this segment is that we seen a man pregnant. I don't mention his name. Please. Don't feed the troll. Please don't feed the troll folks. Um, we've seen a pregnant black man, take over the headlines. Um, and I think, well, let's get let's go and play 43. And I'll tell you what, I think on the backside of it.

Two months later, I was pregnant again. So I went back to her at 16 weeks. I went for an ultrasound at the clinic and saw a different doctor who was working that day. I found out again, I was in preterm labor. The doctor told me that the baby was going to abort. I said, No, you have to do something. But he was adamant. He said, just go home, let it abort. You can get pregnant again because that's what you people do. My sister Kelly was with me. We didn't know what to do after the doctor

left. So we saw a chair sitting sitting in the hallway. My sister picked up the chair and she threw it down the hallway. Nurses came running from everywhere to see what was wrong. A nurse called my doctor, and she put me on a stretcher. The next morning, my doctor came in and placed the star clouds on my uterus and I was able to carry my baby. My daughter, my angel who is now 20 years old, my son, who was saved is now 21 years old. This is what desperation looks like that

chair flying down the hallway. This is what being your own advocate looks like. Everyday black women are subjected to harsh, harsh and racist treatment during pregnancy and childbirth. Everyday black women die because the system denies

our humanity. It denies this patient care. I sit before you today as a single mom as a nurse as an activist and as a Congresswoman and I am committed to doing the absolute most to protect black mothers to protect black babies to put protag black birthing people and to save lives. Yeah, what I think they're doing is politically I'm not talking about people socially or whatever. They tabbies terms like black birthing people In whatever everything she said up

to that point is a very serious concern. Because we heard of the mortality rates and a women concern. Yeah. which feeds back into what we talked about with Johns Hopkins and the care that they get in, in poor hospitals or hospitals. That they Well, let me say it like this Not for Hopkins, definitely not for hospital, but the two tiered medical system for poor people. And that's a very serious topic. And they use Oh, black birthing

people in there. It's like birthing people. But Hmm, I mean, whatever you whatever you do, you do, but it kind of discredits and dis derails a serious topic. Is that by strategy? I don't know. I mean, I don't know why they're trying to lump gay with black and make it synonymous. Find it very troubling. I find it very troubling. For us, kind of like black and brown, it's this. No, it's for sure. It's, while they're doing all this now,

because everyone's amygdala is so out of whack. That work. I mean, everybody is in constant fight or flight mode, you know. So that's when you're so susceptible. And I think these terms slip in a bone, which cemented forever. But why they're doing this particular? I mean, if this block building blocks, yeah, it's pure. It's purely political. Yeah, I agree. That's, that's all that it is. When it could be deeper, but I'll show you another example of

this. Just go through this right quick. This is Candace Owens with Mark Lamont Hill. So to acknowledge a social construct does not mean that we ignore biology. And it doesn't, it doesn't mean that we don't have

men get pregnant. I know I know, it depend on I know trans men that can get pregnant, that means it's a woman, only one sex argument, this argument is proving my thing, there is a truth, a concrete truth, you have to be born with a uterus to have a baby, only women can get pregnant, the fact that we've arrived in a society. That's the point of disagreeing something

is that these are facts. So you can say that this person who is pregnant identifies as a man, that person was born a woman, I can tell you that every single time because only women can have sex, because there are concrete truths about life, is that the

kids can have babies pardon. And that that is a hard truth about life, you cannot make that go away, because you want to call him as somebody who has a beard and dress like a dude, a woman, only if it's pregnant, I'll take and take exactly what it is. It's a woman and that kind of thing. But I think this is what we talked about before. This is magic. This is this is a magic spell.

Oh, thank you. Thank you for saying that. Before you continue, ever since you returned me and which of course is forbidden from show one, you've turned me on to the spell. And I was reading about spells the other day in the context as in the context of, of how the the church used to work. Before the Gutenberg press before people could read the Bible themselves. And you know, the idea of a spell is literally because of the words you're spelling out words. It is just

wording spec spelling. The actual spell is just when when you say black birthing person, I hear that as a spell. Now. The same thing with men can have babies. It's like it does something to the brain that you can hear can his own wishes. She's music cool as a cucumber, which you can see she was getting worked up. Yeah, she's in pretty new mom herself. So she's kind of pissed off about that.

Right. But like I said, even if it's not even a point to argue, I mean, that's my thing, but they use it as a it's just like a trigger on nudge to bring you into the conversation of what are we doing here? I mean, like, seriously, what what what are we discussing? I mean, we have a serious topic, that Corey bush he covered promise a minute and a half. And then you Shimon stumbled on the words to very

Yeah. So and then, this is a ben shapiro clip of transgender parents tried to breastfeed, ciao, this is being champion. These are civil rights heroes. There's a man was sticking his nipple in the mouth of the child in the mouth of a small baby, in a bizarre attempt to nourish the baby with literally nothing, and you're a bigot. If you disagree. You're the authoritarian for suggesting there is a problem here. There is apparently a series that is is called nine months with

Courtney Cox. It's a docu series about various couples having children. And this went viral yesterday. It is a video from apparently season three episode eight of nine months with Courtney Cox and it features A transgender man, meaning a biological woman, who pushed is a biological woman, we had a baby, there's not a man who had a baby, because that's not

possible. There's a biological woman who used her uterus to create a baby and then push the baby out through her vagina because she's a biological woman once more, and no amount of testosterone that produces facial hair, or growing the hair out, or mastectomies changes the fact that this is a biological woman, as evidenced by the fact that biological men cannot give birth. And by the way, you're a bigot, if you disagree. Not only are you bigot, if you bring up your children to disagree, left

will will sick your authoritarian regime on you. I mean, this is the way this is going to go over the next few years you watch here is the bizarre new world we have created for ourselves, the counter reality new world we have created for ourselves. But it doesn't matter. So long as these people feel better about themselves. Sure, the baby's gonna starve to death. But at least the delusional parents feel better about themselves. And the reason why I bring all this up is I saw everybody here catch

on fire, with the one that won't be named. Walking around as a pregnant man. We have this stop beating into things that we we see things it's like you're seeing Mr. Trigger, you don't stop and watch the magic show. He's like, keep keep it moving. Because that's what they want to do is drag you in. Until I conversation is only gonna leave you perplexed. It's, it's gonna leave you perplexed. Because if you don't agree, you're immediately shamed. That's why you need to stay away from that.

Right? And if you do agree, it's like, well, you will never agree. And that's the whole point is to leave you in a perpetual state of frustration. And that in this, how to break your wheel. And I will say this People's Choice, this is America, you can do whatever you want to do with language inside the letter of the law. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is stop being so triggered by what you see, because that's the desire to fake. That's why I won't mention this character's

name, because that's what he wants from you. He wants to trigger you to like I'm saying this is a public service announcement. Keep it moving, folks. Just keep it moving. OFAC says keep it moving, folks. Keep it moving in. Because you have you have to we have to have not, you're gonna get sucked into a circular argument. It's only gonna leave

you frustrated. And that's how trolls work. The trolls bring you into something like yes, by the way, the person who should not go name that it was an excellent troll. perfectly honest about it. He is a Master Master. Yeah. He knows how to get a response because he used to run a fan page for Nicki Minaj. So understand the power of mean you know, he might you're in his domain. When you get on the

internet, you're in his domain. So he knows exactly how to get around the you know, the whatever the sneakers with the bla bla bla bla, we won't get into it. But my point is, I'm saying this to people. Don't allow yourself to be triggered, because there's other stuff we need to worry about, like uterus transplant. Oh, of course. It's 8am. from Fox 35. Do you know where your uterus is? This is good day Orlando.

game changer for some couples experts think that within the next five to 10 years, they couldn't be possible for men to have a baby, carry a baby deliver a baby, all of it coming up next, we're gonna speak to a local fertility doctor about the new development that could possibly become reality. On the Healthwatch this morning, recently, the Cleveland Clinic announced that it is performing uterus transplant surgery for some women that led to some people to wonder if they could

transplant the universe into a man. And if so, can a man give birth? The answer is yes. A doctor from the University of Southern California says it can be a reality in about five to 10 years and maybe even sooner. Dr. Mark Charles with Fertility Care joins us now to talk about this. My first question is why? Oh, goody. goody, I can't wait. Seriously? Yes. Yeah, we only had a permit for it. But this is more remember, remember mo they have to get ratings. I mean,

television. I was looking at the MTV Video Music Award. I know they don't really report overnight ratings anymore. But a couple years ago, they had 12 million people watching will I guarantee you it wasn't that this year. You'll see such a poor production now. But it's not even that it doesn't matter which show you put on it doesn't matter who's doing it. Television is done. That's why they have to troll see they have to troll. Yes, exactly,

exactly. And so the troll is a part of the system is how it works. That's exactly right. And I saw clips of that because that used to be the Illuminati combination ball but it was so low quality. I was listening to green screens and the back crowd was like geez they have fell off like their their resort to salt this source of war tactics of having a machine gun Kelly and what Conor McGregor fight. It's like, man, y'all are really scraping the bottom now.

I saw that there were a couple of that checkerboard floors. There were some burning hearts with daggers and there was some stuff in there. Oh, yeah, clock Chloe. She she's being groomed to do Yeah, all over. She's being groomed to be the next but what I'm saying is the quality of it. I mean, with such poor quality. It's like they're not even getting the top people to show up or run it behind the scenes. So I mean, we're we're winning the war.

Easily, easily. No, no, we we are winning the war. That's why podcasting. 2.0 is keeping everybody honest and keeping everybody out of trouble. Where they can't take that you can't be canceled. Your show can't be canceled. And nor can the money. I mean, we love PayPal and cash app, but that's a problem. We can keep going forever. So we are winning. We are winning we are with eventually it's all going to collapse upon itself.

But we'll have to do some work before that happens most especially you and I but that's what the last block was about is just don't allow yourself to be triggered keep keep you're not meant to side is a real thing. And one part of that is the is the gaslighting aspect of it. So don't don't fall prey to it. And you can tell from this show how we are. Everything's possible. And it isn't even that hard. So Moe, thank you. This was really good mouse. This was a good potluck. I used you blew

me away multiple times. Really cool. I was so refreshing to to have a different take on all of these stories that are that are rolling right now. And, you know, especially props to Henrietta Lacks, man. That's the story I got to dive deep into. I got to find out anything more. It's going to evolve into a full show. I guess I wanted to address it now. Because you seem to start to ramp up with the Crump aspect. And the anniversary coming. He was saying thank God

for Crump man he keeps us with material. We appreciate it. Thank you. And thank you mo I really appreciate what you've done once again. Thank you, Adam. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth reveal itself. And two weeks we'll be back but when's the next live? Eight o'clock Wednesday, eight o'clock Wednesday. That's it everybody. Episode Number 66 mo facts with Adam Curry is in the can enjoy it. I know I certainly did. Please

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