59: Restoring Justice

Moe Factz with Adam Curry for ebruary 23 2021. This is pisode number 59. It's been a hile we had a little bit of a limate challenge down south. 'm Adam Curry in Austin, Texas nd my friend on the other end omewhere in Northern Virginia adies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo acts I'm in the groove man. Mo Yeah. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. You said you were in the group. So I was like, What did I do? Did I scare him off? Yeah, I was like, oh, song don't disrupt this group.

Thank you. No, I was just bumping and bopping along. Oh, yeah, I can do this. I do a mo. I'm doing well. You all thought out? Yeah, we've got electricity restored. That was out for a couple days. And oh, man, that was right. That's kind of happened. Right? Those days when you're supposed to record a couple days before actually. And then, you know, everyone's pipes were blowing up. And so ours didn't Luckily, but we did have

to boil water for a couple of days. And that made grocery shopping tough because you can't have any produce and no restaurants are open. But we're, we're Texans. And now it's you know, 70 degrees. Everything's fine. As if nothing happened is the weirdest thing. Yeah, merge and sharpen. Everyone's back to normal. Oh, well, that was that. And I felt kind of bad cuz the last show was teasing you about your 31 degrees. Well, yes, you did. You damned us. Mo you you put you put a

curse on us. But you experienced experiencing ice again. So that was a it was interesting to be in. To be in the crisis zone for real for once. But everything's good. Everyone's safe. Everybody we know is safe. Yeah. Everyone helped each other out. Well, all good. One little thing I did notice about your experience in Texas. Yeah, they didn't have a catchy name for it. Or I didn't hear one. Did they have that word? Ah, that's a good question. No, I think just the

pole. Yeah, I mean, the polar vortex was the overall kind of thing that was discussed. But down here, I think it was just like this situation. That's probably what we call that this situation. Cuz normally the climate things they always want to brand new me. Yeah, there was. There was no brand before was there. No, that's interesting. Again, it was right there. I mean, now that didn't grab it. I don't know what happened. I think was too shocking, really wasn't planned somehow. For his counter

narrative. Yeah. Well, there you go. Yeah. Enough, enough narratives floating around about that event for sure everyone's joining in on it. And of course, black and brown communities suffered much harder than anybody else. They always do. And disproportionate. Yes. just bringing the latest news. How you doing? Well, everything good up there are over them and everything. Everything's great. We was under Lera I saw stuff but nothing in comparison to what you experienced. I'm

slipping and sliding around everywhere. It was strange because it wasn't that much ground covering but everywhere was just like a sheet of ice. Right? So you, you couldn't scrape it or you couldn't shovel it now your kids back in school yet? Are they? Oh, man, is that ever gonna happen? Is anyone is there a light at the end of the tunnel? Well, from this experience, I'll say two things and then we can get into the to the bag. But I want to say two things about this experience of

working from home and schooling from home. I think it took away the angst for me personally, I think for a lot of people that this may be the new normal for work, I know this is highly likely. And if that's the case, then homeschooling becomes a real option. Right? Because you see the quality education your kids are getting if i can i can top that better. Yeah, so I'm not sure man man me and Mrs. Facts are wearing options. We're gonna discuss discuss it over

the summer, but I don't think they're gonna go back. I don't think they're gonna go back this year. That's just crazy man. That is just crazy. unfathomable nightmare. I don't have any kids anymore. So I was like, it doesn't. Nothing has changed that much for us in that regard. But I can just imagine what a change. Well luckily like my wife works. When she part time or when she's available to and then me working from home. We are one of the blessed

families. I know a lot of people are having to deal with having to physically be at work and what are you doing with your kids? So, it is a sucky situation but luckily I'm in a blessed situation. All right. Okay, so we're all caught up, Adam. oh no what what's going on in our in our personal lives? Why don't we? Let's see what you got going on for us. I'm excited. It's been way too long where it stops. Nobody knows. Only mo knows. This is the weird

of topics. The topic for Episode 59 of mo factors Adam Curry is you could have your own thoughts, bro. Okay, so we're gonna pick up Tinder is one of the few times that we pick up where we left off on the last show. We spoke about the African American Museum Cairo aka known as the district, Columbia DC and the African American Museum they built there. Did you go down some massive rabbit hole mo is that what happened? Is we going deeper today. Oh, we're going Whoa, we're going super

deep. Get that extra duty extra heavy duty 10. Full already? Yep. all wrapped on. I'm good to go. Yeah. So I guess we'll like I said, we'll pick up where we left off. This is a throwback clip from the last show, and this is tokenism and whiteness. When the National Museum of African American History in DC first opened its doors to the public, President Obama was there to commemorate it. Perhaps they can help a white visitor understand the pain and anger

of demonstrators in places like Ferguson. But it can also help let visitors appreciate the fact that not only is this younger generation carrying on traditions of the past, but within the white communities. Across the nation, we see the sincerity of law enforcement officers and officials. Imagine a democrat saying that today. He or she would be thrown out of

the party for that level of nuance. Well, now instead of being a symbol of progress and reconciliation, the museum has embraced the radical left language of racial retribution, all to cast America as irredeemably racist and an evil country. And you the American taxpayer are funding it. Isn't that neat? Yeah, racial retribution. Well, yeah, we're

gonna we're gonna pick up on that in a second. But this came out maybe around December, from the National Museum of African American Studies, what we're talking about is the Smithsonian put out this piece called whiteness. Right? Talking about race. Yeah, hold exam. This was this was the precursor to the things that you're seeing now. I don't know if you're up to speed on Walker cola or not? Yes. And all the corporate training? Well, I don't know how to describe this world Coca Cola

yet. But yeah, for sure. So it's always amazing how these things Tom out there. Can I ask you that? Is that is that a big thing in on black Twitter, welcome cola. And let me put it this way. So this is so Tina keeps seeing this pop up on her Twitter, which her timeline is going to be different from both of ours? in you know, so the Coca Cola is just being excoriated everywhere it can be done. So is that is that a thing? Or how is that viewed? Well, my timeline is a little different when one

because I'm not as active on Twitter as I used to be. I used it really, really just for promotion and things of that nature. But I also have a right leaning a black right leaning Twitter feed. So it came through in a different way. Okay, not as it came in is excoriating on this piece. But I guess the source material was, I guess, I'm saying is there some head shaking going on? always, like, all this pandering? What's what we're gonna we're gonna get into this document, what is pushing?

That's why I had to lay out the last show who's in charge and where the narratives are coming from. And I truly believe this National Museum of African American African American History and Culture is a propaganda you know, hub. Oh, yeah. You pushing things out like this. And like I said, this came out in December. And how can I say this? I know people close in corporate America and right after that. You had the top five of the Fortune 500 companies. Yeah, all of them are

doing this. All because you don't want to be the guy not doing it. So Right. Right. Right. You Bringing the the white for Julie lady. I forget her name that wasn't some of this coursework available on LinkedIn. The educational LinkedIn website was it was gone it was it was taken down so that lets you know that it was it wasn't

well received. So right before before we jump into that and what we're going to talk about the the parent document to what we've seen is gonna we're gonna we're gonna get way deep into that. But I wanted to pick up on a couple of things that you picked right up on it the ratio retribution, and this is where the right always loses. They had a great opportunity, Trump's doubled the black vote and the brown vote, turnout from what

they're normally getting. Yeah. And instead of riding that progress, they come with terminology because if you look at the word retribution, it is punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance, yes. Or a wrong or criminal act kind of the opposite of atonement. Well, Mr. Curry, I'm glad you brought that up. Because I did I didn't clip it. But we will be talking about this later. But our our atonement only got one leg. Yeah. And where do we find that in the

wild? Who was saying that? That was that the HR 40 hearings? Right. Herschel Walker? Yes. Yes. dropped it. He said reparations and atonement. He was reading. Notes, man. He was like, wait a minute homeless. Show Notes. Rev. Mo facts over here. Oh, yes. atonement. That's a word I'm looking for. Yeah, that was so cool. Just to touch on that one for one second. The words matter. We always say that reparations are non starter cuz it when you say

that word, then people hear retribution. Yeah. So where atonement is the offending party wants to make good performance? Yeah, it's the point of performing at not being forced forced to do it. Yeah. So I just want to point that out. And even though in this clip from Fox with Ingram on the anger angle, she puts out good information. When you say words like that. It falls on deaf ears. And that just goes back to

what you were saying. How was it received? Right? People roll their eyes when they hear everything that follows that they just gloss over and it was that was that editorializing by Frau Ingraham or was she reading a direct quote? Gosh, that was she was editorial editorial. He was okay. Okay. Okay. Well, then she, when people hear reparations from the right, they hear retribution. I mean, that that's why I think it's a shame on her. There's no reason to do that. Yeah, it's

not but it's the party line. Yeah, I don't like it. Well, they have to evolve, evolve, evolve. And they have a golden opportunity to evolve. Yes, exactly. And then and so we're gonna get into part two of this, that that was the one of the clips that recovering the last show, but I split it up into two parts. So we're gonna

get into part B of that same throwback clip. Now, the museum now has a website dedicated to explaining the concept of whiteness, and why it's the root cause of racism and oppression in America today. According to the website, the normalization of white racial identity throughout America's history has created a culture where non white persons are seen as

inferior, or abnormal. And when they say whiteness, they don't just mean skin color, but also people who value things like individualism, a stable nuclear family, the scientific method, rational, linear thinking, hard work, Christianity, and being polite. Of course, these are all values that most Americans, especially African Americans see as necessary for success and happiness. So why in the heck is the African American History Museum telling them otherwise?

Push your property propaganda that's looking at their website again, and I'm like, Oh, yeah, now I remember. Oh, yeah. Cuz DeAngelo D'Angelo, I believe she's a doctor. Um, she's up there. They got bill hooks. I mean, they went, Whoa. So you see the court, the corporate it must have $100 million they got

from these from the donors, the founding donors. Uh huh. It's Oprah Winfrey Charitable Foundation. 20 million or above, you know, of course, Bill and Melinda Gates and but if you look at the American Express, Boeing, Ford, GE, Fox, Bank of America, Disney GlaxoSmithKline, Johnson and Johnson Nike. Just it's It's like a who's who? Oh my gosh, is anybody you can imagine every bank are the top 500 companies, the fortune 500

companies plus easily, easily. This is a bonanza. Wow. And I wonder if this is part of that time magazine article, but we weren't doing we're not gonna go down. That's a whole separate rabbit hole. But I think it plays into that. But what I want to talk about today is the museum's attack on as Ingram laid out, Ingraham laid it out a scientific method slash rational linear thinking, individualism, hard work, Christianity slash being polite, and stable, nuclear family, all of these

targets. Right? All of these are targets. And I don't understand how getting rid of these things help so called black people, or quote unquote, black people, I don't I don't understand how that works. We need to have linear thinking and scientific method that way. I mean, as when we talked about the suspected issues with the election, we laid out the numerical facts. Yeah, that's how you prove things is not emotion. So if you take numbers and

we're gonna, I'm gonna go down the list. So we're gonna start with a scientific method and rational linear thinking. So what we're gonna do is going to go back a little bit. And we talked about the I can understand where they come from, where they're coming from about, there's some issues with how numbers are interpreted. And we, you know, it's interesting because I've tried to explain, and I don't do a great job. So I'll just set this up.

When you hear math is racist, I usually say look, moe and I talked about this. That's because it goes back to the super predators, when they had all these millions of kids be running around killing everybody chopping their heads off. And it turned out that was just the bullcrap. Like, climate change, I'm sorry, climate change, or even the, you know, two and a half million people gonna die and Coronavirus, and therefore, because what they said can be disproven with mathematical

truth. Math has to be racist. Did I get it right like that? That's exactly what their claim is. But we're gonna look at how this true but it's also dangerous when you throw statements out there, like math is racist. So let's go ahead and jump into a clip for a super, super predator scare. A jogger murdered in New York Central Park, a little girl gunned down in her family's car in Los Angeles, a judge has sentenced two boys for killing another child who refused to

steal candy for them. There's a tidal wave of juvenile violent crime right over the horizon. And sons who study it say the worst is yet to come. Life in the 1990s was dominated by a sense that youth violence was out of control. The future looked bleak. To explain why one word said it all super

predators. Some social scientists and criminologists looked at the data and saw Doom, they stepped out of their ivory towers and into the public arena, to sound the alarm about a coming wave of kids who are going to ravage the country to kill your town. Beautiful. So they got it wrong. But the problem is that people from the ivory towers are the same people this writing this a propaganda that's coming out of the Smithsonian. So it's like we

got it wrong, but trust us, we'll get it right this time. So that was a just a precursor. That was her own show, though back show me on show 41. And what I found some more evidence that possibly that math could be even more racist than we thought that we even previously thought, Okay, all right. Let's just go ahead and hop into algorithmic bias explained, algorithms are everywhere. From powering our internet search results to

taking out the guesswork in our online shopping experience. They are everywhere we use and trust them each and every day to make countless decisions for us. Despite this seemingly neutral mathematical nature. algorithms, however, aren't necessarily any more objective than humans, because at the end of the day, they have written by people and this is where the phenomenon of

algorithmic bias comes into play. It has many examples. Like when Nikon cameras equipped with the blink detection feature, I wouldn't snap photos of many of its Asian users, because the software thought their eyes would never opened, or how

Amazon's Alexa struggles to recognize different accents. And when Google Translate insistently associated certain jobs with certain genders, while translating sentences with gender neutral pronouns from languages like Turkish, Finnish, and Chinese In 2015, Google's photo recognition tool mistakenly tagged a photo of two black people as gorillas. Meanwhile, in the US, a crime predicting algorithm wrongly labeled black people were offenders at nearly twice the rate of white people.

You see the pattern here, algorithm bias is rooted in the way AI, artificial intelligence algorithms work by using what's called machine learning and deep learning, which are both ways in which computers make decisions. Both are simply dependent on data, a huge amount of it, and ultimately, the people who feed the data. Yeah, I know a lot about this, actually. And that's why I'm glad you are taking this ride with me. So it's not that math is racist, or addition, subtraction, and calculus and

differential equations, those are not racist. No, it's the it's the notions that the people who feed and interpret the data, and the companies they work for are putting out racist products if you want to, if you want to, if you want to make that leap, and that's good. But that's really what's so, so interesting to me about the conversation is because the algorithm and the computer can

only represent that which was put in by the creators. And, you know, it's like, if you had the exact right amount, that's why they talk about equity all the time. But if you had the proportionally to the, to the population, the exact right amount of programmers or people who would input this information, you still get a whole bunch of bias because people are biased. You know, it's never it's never gonna be right. Never ever, it's not even

that it's the end user. They never take the end user in mind as well. They don't care about the end user. Type. It's just a black blackout the picture for a minute and to speak about the Chinese. Yeah, the camera went take a picture because of the blink detection. thought. I mean, cuz they have a naturally closed eye. Where was the outrage over that? I wish I had known that one. That's funny. Yeah. When they give their product to Asian test market and get that feedback back, or did

they just take it with it? Yeah. So so we have to hold it do as they list it. Amazon, Google. Google's call them black people apes? I mean, like, Well, I mean, but to be fair, yeah, algorithms, gorillas, gorillas, excuse me. Algorithms aren't just bias based upon, you know, external features, what someone looks like, there's algorithms being applied to people's credit ratings and insurance policies. And it's, and it can be based on many

factors that can be wrong. So the algorithms just remove the human factor, and it's just going to suck for a lot of people it always does. And this is true, what what I'm saying is these companies that are offending, turn around and support this museum in their efforts, but their products are the problem and the way they do their data analysis and data feeding. That's the problem, right? No, it's math. No, math is racist. Man, yes, not us. It's the math. Yes.

It's so sick. It's so sick. Oh, I get sicker because now we're gonna go over to Mr. Haney, for read. He is a Dartmouth professor, excuse me, professor. And what he's going to talk about is this criminal justice algorithm. Now, there you go, you have almost all been subject to a computerized predictive algorithm of the following form. If you like x, you may like why now you may be less aware that you've also may have been

subjected to a predictive algorithm of the form. If you are like x, we may not give you a loan. Banks financial institutions routinely use your personal attributes, compares them to previous customers to assess the risk to the institution, in terms of giving you a loan or mortgage. You may have also recently been subjected to a predictive algorithm of the form. If you are like x, we may not give you a job.

Employers, and in some cases, university admissions are using predictive algorithms to make hiring and admission decisions. And if you've recently had a run in with the criminal justice system, while I'm sorry, first of all, and second of all, you may have been subjected to a predictive algorithm of the following form. If you're like x, then you may go to jail. Courts now are routinely using predictive algorithms to make

decisions in the courtroom. One particularly popular and now widespread algorithm is used at the point of a Rashed to make bail decisions. Yeah. It's not that the algorithms are wrong. It's all racists get rid of bail. Yeah, exactly. So as we think over here at the Adam Curry show, yeah. Is this a case of galleon dialectic that way you create the problem? Yeah. And you provide the solution to the problem, right? So it's like, so you say, how do we get rid of math? All right,

let's make our algorithms racist. And then we can push him say, You know what? It's not about mathematics and what you can prove and facts. It's about what you feel, is what feels good. It's not what feels good. Yeah. And these companies get even richer off of manipulating the algorithms. But yeah, I mean, so basically, it's a closed, closed loop, you just amplify, you can do all kinds of cool stuff with that. That's

really good. That's a great way to do it. Yeah. So that's just amazing that judges are not calculating and looking at your record Are you know, lawyers are not looking at your records say, Well, he's a repeat offender. They stole your your, your record into the Yeah, whatever it says and out not he's a repeat offender. And be clear. I'll let's be clear, as we always say, what is what starts here? Yeah, no? Yeah. You think this is not gonna be used? Oh, it already

is? Oh, I think it already is mo Oh, definitely. And, and you know what? The same stuff is being used in health care, my friend. Yeah, you have these symptoms? Could you? Here's the medication you need. Huh? Yeah, no, or even even Oh, you bought high salt food you bought high sugar food insurance? Raise your premiums?

My premiums keep going up? Yeah. We saw this with with the car insurance situation where they had the standard thing that you would plug into your I think it's called an OEM onboard and oh OBD you're plugging in and ride around for a week or two. And they will take your data and they will give you a lower insurance rate. Yep. Progressive has that now

you can see a little dongle I think or even not even that. I think it just, I think they just as long as you have it on in your car with your smartphone, your smartphone is passing back the data. They can almost know everything. Oh, yeah, that's fantastic. companies give you a discount mo if you download the app and give you know of your roadside assistance. If you need it, we can find you. GPS but they're tracking this is why this is what Credit Karma is all

about. This is the most egregious Credit Karma talk about my credit me You always disagree with Credit Karma, we can have this discussion, because this is the perfect episode have it go ahead. And I'll explain to you why I like Credit Karma, Credit Karma is is managing its users initially to help them get better credit scores, then to help them get a loan based upon their score a larger line of credit, and now they've moved towards, if you stream your videos, with

Netflix, you'll get a better credit score. And next it'll be if you watch this video, you get a little extra credit score, but we noticed you watched that video that made your credit score go down, that's coming. And so I'm against all this. So I'm gonna explain to you why credit score is not it's not

even a real credit score. Well, no, it is not, but it correlates to your you know, the official credit score that you know, lenders not really but that's debatable debate if that one goes up typically the one that they bank, it and I reason why I say I like it, is I understand the game, they're collecting my data in there, you know, I want to get that. But beforehand,

before these apps came along, people were credit illiterate. I mean, you knew that you paid your bills and you know, and you know that kind of thing, but knowing how to manipulate your credit score. Now was gamified I mean, you if you know how to play this system with that bad boy. You can get your credit score to boom and I say this so called black man I'm gonna get there. What do you need?

What do you need the credit score for you what Moe? What do you need your credit score for when I when I bought a home and when I go to buy a car. I'm just knowing this. I mean, like I said, What is explained and I don't want to make it long. thing out of this. But what it did was it explains all the components of a credit score, which this is how racism used to work, a lot of this knowledge would be hid behind walls and doors. And this is why racism has changed in the information

age. It's not that it's not that I'm accepting of Credit Karma, the company per se, but the many people be educated about how to affect your credit in a positive way. This is all new to us. When I got my working class, I got the problem I have is that with most of these systems, you're giving them access to your bank account, and they can see all your transactions. And that's just evil shit.

But I'm in the School of they already see it. I mean, so I mean, I guess, and I think this is where our age difference plays into. Yes, I was. I was 20. I was 21 and 2001. So I'm just used to being I'm used to being surveilled. So I mean, it's nice. Just, I'm sorry to hear that. Well, I mean, it's the that's the reality of it. So when you come in from from that angle, where they surveilling me anyway, there's nothing private anyway. Um, I just thought, I'll

take the benefits of it. And I and I understand that the gamified, I got it all, you're probably, you know, you are a stronger individual than most. There's a lot of tricks being played in this toll, not just Credit Karma, specifically. But these types of apps, there's multiple kinds. And they are in, in essence, trying to get people into deeper debt, and get them to buy things based upon what the algo thinks they will want. That's all I know, it's funny. I just

think a lot of people don't know that. I think most people probably don't know that. And it's funny that you say that. Because me class, aka coach was having this same exact conversation. I'm not a person that wants to protect people from things. I only want to educate people of all the ramifications, and then let people freely choose, of course, how I you know, because we can't we can't put up safeguards like, No, no, no, you can't do that. No, you can't do this. But this

is what we do with this show. I mean, we don't tell you what the thing which is explaining the what the manipulation is that if you want to continue to participate in it, it's your choice. But understand what you're getting to. So I'll bring that back around. But yeah, I mean, with good comms bad, right? algorithms and all these things. This is all new to us.

And that's why I said like, being black in the information age, it was totally different for being black in the 1960s and 70s, and even a pre internet, because there was no way you could get a main blonde to China to get your products made. And I know people like well, why are you buying from China? But it's like, well, if the whole industry supply from China, right. And I'm trying to be a small business person. This is the first time we had that kind of access, and got it.

Do you know, so I'm just explaining to you. I mean, just mean, we got what we do here we humanize? And we don't know that we humanize these functions that we know we use and that it's it's a gift and a curse. So you have to be educated. And I think people want not be educated. And that's the way it works. Can we agree on that? For sure? Well, that's what we're talking about here that what they're trying to destroy education. This is the role. This is the

role of this document. And let's get back into the criminal justice algorithm. One particularly popular and now widespread algorithm is used at the point of arrest, to make bail decisions. And conceptually, it's a pretty simple idea. a defendant who has been charged with a crime is information is extracted from them and is fed into a computer algorithm. And that computer algorithm outputs a risk factor. And that risk factor is meant to quantify the likelihood that that person will

commit a crime in the future. Think of a really simple version of the Minority Report. Without the creepy people in the pools, and if you are assessed to be high risk, well, then the judge may deny bail and you will be held in prison awaiting trial. And if you are assessed

to be low risk, then you may be released, pending trial. Now, in 2016, investigative journalists from Pro publica published a troubling report on one particularly popular and widespread predictive algorithm that is used in the courts around this country. And when They found is that this particular algorithm was significantly disadvantageous to black defendants. What they found is that if you were a black defendant, you are nearly twice as likely to be predicted as reoffending when you did not.

That happened 44% of the time, if you are black, and only 23% of the time, if you are white, that is a staggering difference. And at the same time, you were almost twice as likely to be predicted as not offending, when in fact, you did if you are white, as compared to black that happened 47% of the time, versus 28% of time. So in other words, the album is biased to black defendants against black defendants. So what I find interesting about this, the algo was biased

against black defendants. But this this particular algorithm, does it take skin color into the equation? I think it's the bubble. Unless you fill out a Scantron it's like, white black, or you know, Hmm, I think that's, of course, I mean, I don't think they they're looking at your data, right?

I'm just gonna read here could it could it could have been well, there's a particular type, I'm just just playing devil's advocate for a second because this has always bothered me about the story, because it always comes right after like we did. Okay, so the algorithm saw black people as gorillas, and then it was biased against black people they sent him the the the block come up more often than given bail. And so that would imply that in the algorithm, some set of factors plus black is no go.

Yes, that would have to be programmed there. On purpose. Exactly. Because that is that is not just a gorilla mistake, you know that I can see how a computer that doesn't have enough information can can maybe not make that distinction initially. This has to be if it's any search set of circumstances same to people except one is filled up black on the bubble, and then they go to jail, then then that's on purpose that can see it no other way. And Nast's that's my point.

Yeah, we have to look into these Come on. Yeah. And they should really be a class action lawsuit. Because when you say a given grant and people bail, say if you got like, I'm trying to maybe like a DWI. Right, which I that's something that you should be able to come home for pretty quick. But if you're not wi x is not in Texas. Yeah. I was like

48 hours. I mean, but yeah, they say they give you an ordinate and you're saying Lord in orderly large bail, and you miss work, you miss work, you lose your job, you lose your job. These things devastate people lives. Yeah. And it's just some body coding like, Oh, yeah, um, it's the accuracy. Right? Right. Right. It's like, Oh, we were you know, 97% accurate with our decisions, but you're gonna screw some somebody over by, you know, basically offer not skin color. And I'm glad you brought

that up. This is about corporate designation. This is about racial designation. So this is why we always talk about white and black and what it really is, and we've expound on it a bunch. And we may get into that a little later. But yeah, this is just another line in the code that says if a marked black Yeah, that needs to be disclosed higher bill that really needs to be sliced as that I recall these stories, wasn't there. Wasn't that code eventually brought up and didn't people look at it? Or

is that still not happened? They looked at it and then they probably made a donation and it goes away, right? I mean, where's all the Searles da is it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is why they're supposedly supposed to be elected to fight the Exactly. This is actually systemic. This is for real. Yeah. By definition. Yes. The system is written or coded. To say if you're black a you get a higher bill. Just just finally hit me it's like, computer didn't scan the person

standing there. No, it's not. There's no, there's no data there that's gonna make that person more gorilla. Like, it's just it probably doesn't say black or just as African American. Right. Sure. Yeah, that needs to be investigated. That's, that's really messed up. There's no other way than on purpose. So I understand where they're coming up with their issue with rational linear thinking and the scientific method and math. In general, right this is, what didn't they jumped the shark.

And we have to go back to show 14 because we were on top of this all time ago. And this is math is racist. The opposite of Donald Trump is an Asian man who likes math. Andrew Yang may want to rethink that catchphrase, because apparently, math is racist. Seattle's public schools are considering a proposal that would mix social justice in with math, including studying how math has been appropriated by

Western culture, and that math itself is racist. And Alessia Parson is a sociologist and educator, who agrees with the premise of the proposal, and joins me now. Alright, so and let me let me just see where I'm confused. So you understand what's going on? I am bad at math. And if math is racist, then I'm also white. Does that make me too dumb to be racist? Or not? racist enough to be good at math? not racist enough. Jesse. That's such a long conversation. First

of all, remember Dr. De Blasio, Parson? Yes. So please don't refer to me by an but I appreciate it. Excuse me, let me just show you my badge here for a moment. That's a doctor and to you Mr. Jesse waters. And is that does that not raise your privilege? Was she is not she's white? Not talking about educational academic privilege. That's all you will refer to me? As as Dr. Of course it does. It's anyone who does that as a douche. But how do you not miss that it's like you your your whole life

work is based off of privilege. And then you as soon as you know you somebody that call you by your? Because your professional moniker that he knows? Because she's there. Call me doctor. She's there for the cause? Don't you understand most she's on the battlefield against an actual racist? No. And that's that's why you asked me before. I think black people so called black people, quote unquote, black people are so over these these

these blue, these liberals? Because they're pandering is so disgusting. It makes the thing. My dad, he always told me growing up, he was like writing reading, that's, you know, you can get graded anyway on that. I mean, there's some technical aspects to grammar and no, English, you know, English and writing. But math. That's the fair shit you can get. Yeah, as a person of disadvantage. Because when you give me that test, there are

right answers to those questions. Right? If I get the right answers, then I prove myself knowledgeable, right? Where if I'm writing an essay, you can grade it on how you feel, you know, it's all subjective. So as long as you show how you got the wrong answer, right, and even if you show your work, showing data, if you show your work, you know, it can be it can

be racist, I know. It's horrible, right? So that's what irks me about what I mean, because we played this clip on show 14, so we were we were on top of this way, way back. Because I understand. So if you take math out of it, then we can't make the case of the previous clips, to say, look at these results. You know, you see, you see how destabilizing of society is when you take rational linear thinking and mathematics out of

the picture? Well, what that what's crazy is that there's never a good explanation for it. And everyone just goes, Okay, you're an idiot. And then they keep saying it. Does there's no resolution ever of this issue? Well, you make a good point. So let's go that doctor and try to explain what she means. Tell me why math is racist. Doctor. Yes. So you It's funny. On November 6 2016, I was at a conference on statistics. And I raised my hand and I was like, Are you telling me statistics are racist?

And that was what, almost three years ago and I was really confused when I asked the question and spent years reading about many different things. Have you Jessie read native son, which I gave you last time we met. I read it in high school, but I have not read Read it since the last time you gave it to me. But what does that have to do with is math racist? So the critical race theory and is a framework for understanding the world that helps us understand that this entire

country is racist, right? We have a white supremacist tasks right? racial caste system in the United States. For once, right? Are you saying that all white people in America are racist? Yeah, I am, too. Sometimes it happens. We were socialized to practice the socialization and learning about social norms. So you're, you're a racist. Occasionally it happens. I usually apologize it when I realized it, how are you a racist? What do you think my superior?

Jessie, that question doesn't make sense. Well, isn't racism the belief that one race is inherently superior than another race, and then you discriminate against other races? That is a piece of racism. But you give a definition. That's really old. Yeah. And language evolves over time. And white supremacy? What are what raised in white supremacy today? Yeah, okay. They are structures that affect us all. So people do things that are racist all the time, myself included, because

we don't realize that's happening. Like microaggressions. Okay. Yeah, I love it. Just. That's the old old definition of the word. Your old man, you got it all wrong. It's not what the new kids think. So you see the conflation on top of that conflation on top of the conflation? Yeah. Because you say one, we have some algorithms and whey products are programmed to do racist things. So you say math is racist in general, all

math. Two plus two is four, it is racist. And then you say, the other conflation she does is racism and micro aggressions. Yeah. That's very, that's crazy to say, Okay, if you make a microaggression, that makes you a racist, which, the reason why I make this point is, then everybody become racist. And if that's the case, then no one becomes racist. And they you can't, you know, that's just racist thinking right there. Mo you gotta stop. You can't think like that.

I know, I did some math to get to that point where you said racist formula. But that is, that's very dangerous, because when real racist acts happen? Yeah, then people are all they'll just equate it to a microaggression. And it's not that's not the case. But that's a very good point. That's a very good point. And, and, and how much of that is maybe even planned. so that it becomes completely normalized. You know what I'm saying? This goes back to the heady galleon dialectic, and it's

like, you know, are you trying to get rid of racism? Because you've you are you just make it so benign? that it doesn't mean anything. Yeah. Which I think I'm gonna say this. And I probably shouldn't say this. I think there are some factions in this country that want to get rid of a das foundation of black native black people as a whole, because that's the way you get rid of the great the great sin of America. And then it's like, we can restart with these new black people.

That's how we can move forward. Right. Hmm. And and they're, they don't have this same med. Same stake in the game. No, I mean, that's just like, showing up for the goodies. Well, not Not only that, but you don't realize that we're missing. Because you see about everyday life, you'll see black. Right, right. Right, right. Because you say, you noticed that this Aidan's population drops like to 5%. But you know, he didn't we know that 13% is

standard for this country for black people. For the for the horse race. Last week, I mean, our last show, right? So if you drop the A das population down to 5%, raise the immigrant and you know, I'm new, you know, the post racial black people. Let's just say post post slavery, black people. Yeah. You bring those in to up to 8% that makes you 13%. No, no, no, no one notices. Wow. And then you heard what Joe Biden said. He doubled down on that he captured that in

this show, but I'll bring it up again. This great solution is just enter interracial marriage. Jeez, which I have no problem with you love what you love, but that's your solution is to you gotta water you gotta water that black girl some, you know, cut on it. Wow. Yeah, I guess yeah, yeah, that's how I heard it. I mean, come on everybody heard what he said, and but it goes unnoticed or not unnoticed but it's just not it's not about to be

discussed I guess or something in the mainstream. He said it again I know he I know we keep doing on a town hall and no one no one says Hey, what do you mean? What are you talking about? And I just say I don't say this from a racial standpoint, I say this from a completely vain standpoint that I want to make people that look like me. Yeah, I told you being a parent is the same thing you could do in life

is, you know, hey, let me make another me. And even if your kids turn out to look like the other half into genetics, right, you're a little bummed out. Right? So it's not even about race. This is like, you know, it's a it's a, it's a vanity thing that you want to you know, you want to recreate because you think you're so awesome. The world needs another little mo two or three and God help us. More Moe's gonna be a whole gaggle of podcasters Yeah. So that's, that's it's very, very troubling. So

she did this weird definition of white supremacy. So now we have to go back to the shows definitely the the definition we refer to on the show. Yep. And that comes from Neely Fuller. And he defines racism and white supremacy? Well, there's we're on a system of white supremacy. That's the most powerful government that the world has ever seen. And that's the title of it. By the way, it doesn't go by any other title, even though we sometimes call it by other titles. But the accurate title

for the government that we are under is in capital letters. The system of white supremacy worldwide is just one world government. And that's the only government in town, the only government on the planet, that grid accounts that is worthy of having a title of government. Yeah. So for all the non believer, you can't say and this goes to my conspiracy theorist slash truth. You can't say the Illuminati or the globalist, or these groups exist, and then say

that white supremacy doesn't exist. Because that's what we're saying. When we say that we're saying they're synonymous. Yes, exactly. So when they make it about this, I mean, this racial superiority and all of that, um, no, are these micro aggression? No, we're talking about I call hard system that imposes will, no matter what the people want, and we're seeing that now. And no matter what color those people are, it does, it just starts with us. With a beta test, okay.

How's that been working? working? Okay. That's what it is. That's, that's how we feel down. That's how we feel with the vaccine and everything else, or you just want to test it out on us. But it doesn't make everybody who end up getting it, but it just starts with us. But the thing is, our numbers are so small. We can't withstand these attacks. And I can't call it any other thing. We can't withstand these attacks.

Because our numbers can't absorb that hit. I mean, it's a white cooler 50 60% we're 13 if you're talking about interracial will be gone right before and then there was there will wake up one day, but you know what, we need to change this, this practice that we're doing, but then we're gone. That's a real possibility. I mean, that that is that does seem to be the overall belief in the color gi plan. That was always the idea to brown population in Europe, you know,

so it makes total sense that that that's the idea here. And that's what Malcolm said about the hot coffee and the cool the cool cream. I mean, you mix it half and half you don't have coffee or cream, which coffee and cream both have purposes. And they have need they're needed in this society in their own separate entities. Yes, exactly. Um, so I mean, I just

wanted to bring that up. So I mean, that pretty much wraps the scientific method irrational and linear thing, but that's gonna weave his way in and out of the rest of the episode, but I just want to go on his checklist. have things that they're trying to destroy. And when you do that, it's I don't know, I find that very problematic. But um now we're going to talk about individualism. So now we're gonna go back to the Ingraham angle or Ingraham angle.

Ingraham. Yeah. So we're going back to her. And this goes to show you the lack of individualism that free thinking black people can have the way these two correspond back and forth to each other and not forget there was Cooper versus scotties. Excuse me, Horace Cooper, versus Scotty smart. And just listen to this exchange, they have chorus, it strikes me as odd that this African American Museum would scandalized things that the data has always shown help Americans,

including African Americans, climb up the ladder. So you have a $500 million. That's a half a billion dollar structure edifice, that apparently thinks its purpose is to offer advice, to cripple black America to say to black America, the very tools that black Americans like white Americans have used to succeed and become prosperous, hard work, tenacity, faith, the types of success skills that work to call those somehow, a racial

category would make David Duke proud. This is really, really sad, if that's the direction this museum is trying to go. He said David do was hilarious. It makes me laugh. It is pretty funny. But he's right. These are the things we say, you know, hard work. Taste, right. And I'm not specifically saying Christianity, but I will say this, when a person has some kind of faith system, especially my people are our people. They

You know, it tends to help them deal with society. You know, I mean, I think that's in general, but I'll just go and speak specifically to our group, because it gives you some kind of thought process, know and coping mechanism, a stable family. Like I said, scientific method, hard work. These are all things that we were taught, I mean, you work hard, you, you know, go to school, get a good education. Make yourself a productive

member of society. And, you know, you you, you'll do I mean, you'll be okay. I'll say this, you lessens the chance you lessen the chance that the system will chew you up and spit you out. Right. And that's a real sentiment. I know, people might think that's hyperbole. No, but that's, that is the feeling on that. And that that's part of the talk. That goes on. I mean, the talk is, like I said, it's a long and

complicated conversation between parents and children. And you know, and I think, looking at parents my age, I think, I would say it was less of that it was more like your parents worked hard to make sure you can have an education. Once you have that, you're gonna be okay. I'm generalizing. I'm generalizing. But I think that may have been a little less of a work hard mentality. It's just my general feeling. Well, okay.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. But from our side is like you had no, and this is, I know, I don't know how I feel about this statement. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about this statement. But it was said, it was like, you have to work twice as hard. You have to work twice as hard. And I don't think that I agree with that. No, I'm saying I'm telling you, that's what we were told to work twice as hard to have. And like I said, I don't know

how I feel about that statement. Because when you say it to your kids, you're saying your half is good. Yeah, in a roundabout way. But then it goes, it goes back to our previous conversation. Is it better to know that there's this lingering system out there that like, I think this is the approach with our data and know how we interact with these big companies? Is it better to know

or is it better just to know learn the system and navigate? I think more I think, I think knowing and learning the system and navigating the system is necessary for many children in many different situations. But connecting it and saying, because of who you were born as, therefore, you have to work twice as hard. I don't think that's a positive association that does any good. But you know, like, hey, you're poor, and this is gonna suck, and

here's what you're gonna have to do. And you're gonna have to kick some ass to get there. We're not but not necessarily, you know, just because, you know, I mean, I, I think children are saying, but the problem is that how can I say this? The problem is when you don't want to tell your kids or you can go to school and be a C student and be president. And yet, Barack, that's what's amazing that Well, I was thinking Bush, another fine example. There's plenty of

dumb presidents. Right? I'm gonna, what I'm saying is that even Barack Obama had to give the appearance that he was an intellectual, right? He couldn't, he couldn't have Bush's resume, and be president. So I'm just giving you an example. And I'm not saying like I said, I'll just preface this by saying, I don't know how I feel about that. And I don't say that to my kids, explicitly to say, hey, you gotta work twice as hard. But I say to them, and I kind of got this room. And like I said, this

is where you learn from different cultures. You don't want to be a student, you want to be the best student in the class. And I learned that from my Indian friends. Because in India, that's how it's ranking. It's no, it's no, great. Right? Right. Right, right. So that's why they kick our butt when they come over here, cuz they're fighting to be the best not just everybody gets an A, or you know, everybody gets a B. It's like, there's only one number one. So I get, like I said, I, I

don't know, I don't know how I feel about that. But it was it's a real cinnamon said that, you know, we had to be twice as good. Or twice as hard. Yeah, I'm just trying to so many different scenarios. But maybe it is unique. I don't know, it's hard for me to say. But like I said, I feel your best if you want to interact with the system. And that's why I say now in the information age where you can invest in a startup business and explore. You can

explore your mind your ideas, your dreams, right? Where you used to be confined to what was your, your, you know, the bad news about education is racist Mo. That's it, I figured it out. Education is racist, man. Stay away from the whole thing, not just math. Think math is the whole thing.

Especially PE all racist. But the notion that when black men say work hard, and you want we want a stable family, and you know, we use logic and reason, that's how we get the labeled as the white people or black people. Right. So it's really that notion. So it's really not just destructive towards black people, this idea of all these everything the museum stands for, it's really also just eliminating black men who by the way, are just not showing up anymore in the logos and anywhere.

Only trading the other day, we were sending something back and forth. That was the flows that from the un un United Nations where they had they had every variety together black and white man, one woman loving herself for self love, generational old man with a young guy in a ratio and then the black woman, click the one that was clearly illustration. So it's really the black woman was expressing self love. And she was crazy. But that's that's the goal. And and now you can say I'm

conspiratorial or paranoid. But from these actions, yes, they want to get rid of us because if they get rid of us, then you get rid of the race, period, a blank period. In this case, we're actually talking about black black men like we've never even met but I think you're pretty black. So like, Cory? Yeah, but Cory Booker, black man, no, it's not color. That's why we can't get it. But wait, but wait a minute, I'm trying to connect

the whole circle. If we want to have a mocha color throughout the entire universe, which is clearly the idea. Then will there be a bias more towards getting rid of black black men versus brown black men? Because then it is about color. Is that because that is kind of the identification that they're doing. That is getting rid of I must say this is getting rid of Black men. And when I'm saying that men who identify as so called a DOS or whatever, getting rid of men, men men are

under attack. Yes. Specifically, if it starts with a, who are the first mean, they're gonna be put under attack well, and it's like we can get them, then the whole rest of the world falls into place. So it's when I say black men, I'm saying, people, men who operate like men and work off logic and reason and hard work and those things. If we can get the subset of black men that identify with their maleness or their manliness, we can take them out. I have the

right terms. No, no, no, hold on a second. This is good because everything is the white man's fault right now. It's not the same thing is what's happening to black men. The white man it's all old white men all your fault. You're a holes you misogynistic. You're mansplaining you no good. No good. But we are always portrayed as wimps. Oh, honey, I'm sorry. I got the wrong washing powder. Ooh, that's be the doofus again. Right? The black man has a much stronger,

much more masculine image in society still. And I was I brought that point up before that when you talk about masculinity. If we're talking about societal masculinity, white men are the pinnacle. And what I mean by that is benefiting from the inheritance and generational wealth and things of that nature. But when we talk about physical Yeah, masculinity. Black men are the the pinnacle. Right, but masculinity is no longer. Yeah, masculinity is no longer the banker, the

successful businessman. That's in fact, the Trump type businessman. That has to be erased. That's none of it that white men don't exist like that. Where we're balding. We're fat, we're hunched over. We're right. Yeah, we're any anything but cool. And that's why you started with a sports league. Right? You want to bring in this? Right, the pinnacle of white masculinity and intermingling

with the pinnacle of black masculinity. And it's a cultural war because LeBron James, you would say he's the pinnacle of masculinity period, because he's 692 170 pounds it can jump you know, jump running you know and and intelligent all these things. And then but he's owned by a mass they own the team is owned by owned by owner is owned by China and really, but that's right. Well, yeah. But but the optics are owned by a white man. And he's too

masculine. He's clash. And and the powers that be are playing them off each other. Yeah, hoping that they destroy each other, and then we'll have somebody right. Well, we won't get too far. I like it. No, no, I like it. I'd like it. Okay, dude, I'm sorry. You keep moving mo um, I'm just diving in with you. Yeah, so just an example of this. You her horse, Cooper speak. And now Scotty smart is gonna come in. And we'll see

what Scotty does. I think that I actually loved the article, I think a lot of people should actually go and read the article. We can't keep pushing whiteness and white privilege under the rug. Like it's not an issue. It's a deep rooted issue that we have to address. And I think even to have two black people, myself and Horace to be against one another, to have a debate on this topic is a whole matter of whiteness in itself, because he's gonna sit here and try to contradict what we're

talking about. So I don't want to talk over hearts. I don't want to be disrespectful to horse. Well, horses, that token black friend, only a few white people have as well. So we're

not here to debate or get not to have a dialogue. But we have to have this conversation between it's an uncomfortable conversation that most people aren't willing to have, and to educate blacks and whites on our different perspectives, different narratives that we have, that we grew up with and so to have someone who is a representation of black people.

So I invited you on the show in good faith, you actually have a conversation and and yet you come on the show, and you kind of give it a little backhand to Horace and it's a dehumanizing Well, it's dehumanizing to call someone a token, it's dehumanizing. And that's that's the language that I whether you're white, black, brown skinned, whatever you are, that's a that's a dehumanizing word. He's a human being with thoughts. Maybe he disagrees with you. That's okay. I don't

care that you disagree with him. But he's me. No disrespect okay. disrespect to Horace no dishes. No, not me. Not Are you taking it the wrong way token. Because Okay, now we got to get into some linguistics here because remember, when we had a conversation about thug, right? And thug being synonymous with the N word used by a certain crowd. Now token were used by one black person against another black person. That is the same thing as saying Coons Hoon

level. Yeah, yeah. So that's what I mean. He says no, I don't mean any disrespect token. But here because the white man wants you to do his bidding for him. But this is a projection. Because the other reason is Scott is here for that very reason. Exactly. Always projection. But I will say this about horse, Porsche to stop a Ingraham in her tracks and said, No, I don't need you to speak for me. Because the way the optics the way it looked is, he attacked a black man and his white woman.

Right? Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't. I would admit that right in the book, like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, let me handle Scotty. Right. But he's on it here. He's only there to do the bidding of the liberals. Which that's why I said we, we see the game now. We see that we've been seeing it. We saw in the 2020 election. That's the numbers we'll find out and I'm not gonna go there. I want it to be able to go on YouTube. I'm sorry. I don't talk about the numbers.

Now, but what I'm saying we see. We're just as distrusting or more distrusting of the liberal narrative, that a conservative narrative because the conservative narrative makes sense. Or maybe it's like maybe maybe they should someone should alert the liberal the liberals about this. The alienating people. They don't care. Because we're not human. We heard what she said you're dehumanizing. You do not realize what happened in the

2020 election. Black men that speak for themselves were dehumanized, eliminated, really, from the entire conversations gone. When you say, oh, why would you vote for a person like this? Or that? It's like, you just are totally nullified. Like, shut up. Yeah, go to your corner. I want to hear an explanation. So it's like, okay, you're allowed to speak because the powers that be like what you're saying, Scotty,

were a horse would be shouted down. Wish, what I'm saying what I would say is, and this is where we go back to the list. Let's bring it out the facts and weigh them out. And whoever has the best set of facts wins. But that's not what they do. And they make it about feeling they get rid of facts make it about feelings. And then, you know, whoever has the best narrative wins. Yeah. So I mean, like I said, I found that very disgusting. Um,

for, for you to be sent on Fox News. Somebody, you know, put him out there. And I know, he didn't have any leg to stand on to, you know, make an argument for the thing they're trying to get rid of. So he made it a personal attack on horse, right? Was that what that was in your word? It was chicken shit. I mean, I mean, I know. So I mean, I didn't like that at all. But that's that's the way they do. I mean, it's just they just dehumanize you, and I think that's why we that's why we

humanize here. So um, so now we need to get to examining what illustrate it and what define black individualism. And we're going to talk about one of Mr. Melville john archivists. Have you ever heard of him before? No, I don't think

so. Let me give you a little background on him, and then we can jump right into a clip 13. So he was an American anthropologist who helped establish African and African American studies have established, okay, I'm African American Studies and American academia, he was known to know for exploring the cultural continuity from African cultures

and spreads to African American communities. He worked for his wife, I mean, work with his wife, Francis, Perkovic as an anthropologist and in the field, in South America, caribbeans Africa. So he basically is the father of African American History. So he would Jewish me, he would be the guy that would be would know something that while he's no longer around, I presume, as you know. So he died in 63. Is he involved with this museum somehow?

Well, a lot of his work. is you know, is the is the foundation is back. Yeah. is the foundation of what they teach of the African aspects of a DOS. Guy the the expert. Well, this getting to 13 to find out In the United States, obviously, one only has to look at the great degree of crossing tremendous variation in color that marks American. I hear the voice of Melville j herskovits. And what I wonder is, why did the white man come to know so much about black people?

Probably more than any other American melva. herskovits is the person who demonstrates that African Americans are connected to Africans. He was a leading anthropologist of the 20th century. But he was also a kind of social paradox. Do you look at Herskowitz through one angle, he sets the terms for our understanding of the relationship between Africa and black people on the Americans. from another angle, you might see him as someone who appropriates a certain kind of

knowledge from another angle. He's the son of Jewish immigrants, and he's trying to sort out his own position in America. I always like to think of him as kind of the Elvis of African American Studies. On the one hand, you might think of someone like Elvis as someone who takes things that blacks have already been doing, and he gets the credit for them. On the other hand, you can say, Well, here's a guy who actually mainstreams Rock and Roll

Yeah, it's a good question. That is very good question how this and I don't mean to bring up his ethnicity but this Jewish man jumps all the African American scholars to be the spokesperson or as the the speaker put it, the Elvis Presley of black history. Black Studies who either ripped it off or he popularized it whichever way you want to go with it. That's a toughy Yeah, but if you pop realize it, then you define it at the same time without a problem. Yep.

So he he's a very interesting character. But like I said, a lot of he was a lot of what he did was the modern African American Studies is based off his his work, right? It's all his own. 1920s 1930s is right when he was writing all this stuff. Yeah. And even later, I think it north Northwestern University, if I'm not mistaken, so we can go and get into the second clip about him. Christmas mainstream some of these ideas about the connections between African and African American culture.

Early anthropologists were committed to demonstrating that black people were inferior. Many people believed black culture was a bad copy of white culture. Look, I you know, if black people have been ignored, not listened to their part of the story is not being told. For centuries, it's understandable that black scholars can't, waiting in line behind some white guy to tell the story that they want to tell. What is the Negro in the sense that the term is used in the United States?

Does it mean to ask what is a negro? What is a negro as a physical type? What is a negro is an existential condition. What does the Negro want? How do we understand African American belonging over time? Does the right to define and describe and observe people give you power over those people? Does the right to really characterize a people determine their fate? Yeah, but it does. Absolutely. And the reason why I brought this up, is that the same way he did it, then

the same way it's being done. Now, yeah, we can't define who we are for ourselves, is always another person from outside the group that's defining who we are, which that impacts the individualism. And that's why you have somebody like, Scotty attack Horace, because like you're not sticking to who we supposed to be. Like, it's like, how about we be who we are, and then the collective are defined by the individuals. But no, it's a group thing. It's a it's a it's mind control is what it is.

I mean, yeah. in a weird way, quote, unquote. Well, no, it is black blackness is is a, like a set form of set rules that you have to conform to. I guess the most one of his most polarizing books, was this the myth of the Negro past? Yes. And we're talking about early 1900s when he was doing his work. It's not like he was back in, you know, 1619 right now, that's actually 1941. Yeah. So he writes these books in the early to mid 1900s. Yeah. What were we

before them? I mean, you had like we didn't have a Frederick Douglass in it. Booker T Washington and these people defining who we are here to come this guy come along. I know who the Negro is everybody relax. Let me tell you who the Negro is. It's like what I see. W Ed Dubois did a review of it. I'll have to read that. But that's pretty Yeah. Hey, can you send me that link? Because I would love to hear read that as well what he had to say, Yeah, I

just wanted to be funny. I just want to show like, you know, how we are never allowed to define ourselves. And even with this museum, everything was defined for us. It was like, Oh, no, Clarence Thomas. No conservatives, and I'm not like I said, I'm not a big clarence thomas fan. He had some problems with some of the things he said, but making it to the Supreme Court should get you an automatic spot. Kind of get on that. Did you see the people who were on the Board

of Ed interesting. Right. So I mean, that that goes to show you is that is not the all encompassing black. It's that this is the narrative that we want to tell about black people. Well, Quincy Jones is on the council. Well, Quincy, Quincy Jones. Yeah. I mean, Quincy is cool. You know, Quincy, bring sex appeal to any board. Right. Let me see. Shonda Rhimes shaundalyn in the house. Oh, look, at no wonder we got a great marriage. And we brought in Colin Powell.

You know what? Color piles are very interesting. I've met him I'm, I'm not a fan of General Power. I'm just saying the way he he saw the way that these things was going. And he did a real quick pivot on his politics. Oh, yeah. Because he knew he had to stay around. And if he stay stuck to his guns, he would not survive the canceled culture right. Now, I totally agree. Totally. All right. So this is a great group. I wonder if they get together? They must have some I'm sure they

have a great, great drinking club. This looks fantastic. And drinks on the menu. First order of business. How about that building we put down huh? How about that for some crazy Illuminati crap. And where's those $65,000 hot dogs? Go on to number 15. Professor herskovits was no ordinary professor. This man was a force. And you did not take him on lightly. Although I can't list all of the do's and don'ts that Professor herskovits put out there. Certainly, among the don'ts was the following.

Don't get involved in political stuff. That was that was a difficult message for me to hear. But even as a graduate student, I think I knew almost anything, had its political side to it, including by Professor herskovits was writing and doing. The myths were endless. You will hear jokingly, of course, every day. Professor herskovits gets up, looks into a mirror and says ah Afrique. Same law. That was our quick way of saying Professor herskovits seem to think sometime videoed Africa. It was his.

And even as a graduate student. We wondered if sometimes his reign wasn't too tightly held. Why weren't there more African and African American scholars at Northwestern he ran a tight ship. It always amazes me that these non black people can come in, take over and tell you how blackness is going to be ran. And he's like, Don't question me. You heard her. She worked with him closely. And I mean, she was fond of him. I mean, I mean, it's not like she, you know, had bad things to say

about him. I think her feedback was honest that it becomes an ownership like I own the blacks. I speak for the blacks. wishes I didn't find it very disgusting. Yes. So how much how much this modern stuff is based off of him? Is it? Is he really the foundation? Like all of this is based off of his work? Yes. The Odd African theory. I mean, we're not the set theory per se, but the the origin of black people in America out of Africa, and the narrative and what I'm saying, but he was defining this

the 1940s. Yeah. For 1619 1940. He comes along with all I could tell you what exactly what happened in those 300 years. Right incident. Alex Haley, again, is an inspiration for roots from this. No, I was heavy guys inspiration for somewhere else. Every show, all different show. But yeah, I mean, but that's that that was the beginning of the narrative for the pan africanism. And those kind of things, which I was saying, well, that's amazing now is never heard this name before. Exactly.

herskovits. And it's with an S at the end, which is very distinctive. It's not a z herskovits. Yes, never heard of this guy. Interesting. What he comes in, and he defines what blackness is in the mid in the mid 1900s, which I just find fascinating. Peter has so many great thought leaders at the time, and he just comes along and do hijacks didn t know the narrative, which of course, he had the money behind him. So

that's the other thing. And what you'll find out now is what you'll start to find out is that the academics go with where the funding goes, Oh, and we've seen this with preaching the choir here with global warming and those things, but it's no different. It's like my job is to, to be a scholar, the money's coming in. So I have to make a narrative this and that's what they're saying about him being Elvis. It's like, do you let Elvis come in and make rock or roll take it through the roof?

And all of our sales go up, you know, for the genre, but at the same time, now rock and roll is not even identified as a black music form. Yeah, because you let somebody else. And that may be the choice that ultimately is is the downside of capitalism, I guess. True. That that may be one of those things that is like, wow, you gotta have a strong, strong, strong hands. To say no, no, we should do this differently. So since we're defining what black is, we have to go back to show nine and

this. We played this several times on here, but it's always good to see how the one drop rule define blackness in America. Explain what the one drop rule is. The one drop rule, historically, also known as a rule of hypo descent was really instituted to protect whiteness, it was a way for the white majority to be able to name and incite who was white. So it was one drop, which is 130, second 130, second of Negro or African

blood would make that person Negro or African. Whatever the classification they used at the time I hear people say we're going to post racial society, the reality is, in order to get beyond something, you have to understand it right. And where in your education, where have you been required to learn about race? They don't teach it. No, it is the foundation of this country. We have to talk about race, we have to talk about

racial difference. It is just a flat out lie for us to believe that we've moved beyond race. And that's the thing that when we say black, that's defined by a legal designation, yeah, it's not skin color. I mean, I know I beat this missing this dead horse, but we have to say that because, um, people, people easily slip back into the color thing. And it's not about color, it's about what you identify legally. So there, they're doing, I'm gonna say this black Americans, a das

foundation of black native blacks. We're going through a divinity, self identification phase. Because we're saying, okay, we're not Africans per se. And, you know, we have our own lineage, we have our own story, we have our own origin. So who are we? And that's upsetting. So a lot of people because if you start saying that 13% splinters to eight five split 10 three split. That changes politics that changes the way proceed.

power structure. Yes. Excellent term, it changes everything. So people like no, no, no, no crawling back in, you got to correct. Is this? Are you in fact, a part of a black renaissance man as black, I think, possibly social media more access to publishing your thoughts in different media, so not just Twitter. But there's also there's music? I know, clubhouse is the it's probably one of the blackest apps out there? Or was was I think that's gonna end you watch.

I know how that goes. Yeah, you're not gonna see and, you know, and and you it's like, there's a, an awakening and awareness and a positioning of the black American male. That is probably happening on one hand, because you're being suppressed and you're being suppressed because it's happening. And your message is not necessarily. Let's go to the club popping bottles and, and let's, you know, drive around and and show our bling. Now it's something completely different. And it was a place

that was the loud minority, right? The very small minority. And what people like me are saying is, we want to be self defined. We don't want to be defined by the boulais. We don't want to be defined by the African American Museum, we don't want to be defined by a white academia. We want to define who we are. Okay, now, let's figure out what that is. And that's, that's the journey we're on. And we've been here before, like, it's a synchronicity to it because in

the 1920s, we're kind of in the same spot. of in Harlem on every street corner, you have somebody with a different uh, what blackness was a different definition of blackness. And it was like, okay, it was a market for ideas. And that's kind of what the internet that was wired, like, realism in the 20s. You mean, yet, same thing. Now entrepreneurial ism, because it was it opened up, it was like,

Okay, now we can do business. Um, so now you have independent thinkers, we're now used to get like a soap box and go in a corner, and you are in this corner. And you know, the guys on the other corner. Now we're on YouTube channels. And now we're on a social media post. And we're saying, and we're finding people that have similar thoughts to ourselves, or who has good facts or who has good data. It's not about narrative anymore. And that's why they want to double down on

narrative. Because if you don't have the facts, you got to double down on there. So it is partially a great self identification process, simultaneous, building your own narrative and positioning as where black American men want to be. Yes, because when you define whiteness, you say whiteness is the problem. That's juxtaposed to blackness. Not Brown. Not color is blackness, you know, um, so that's, that they're like, wow, like, it's a lot of information leaking out, and

people thinking and talking, and what do we do? You know, it's, it's a lot of, you know, it's a lot of uncertainty. And it's, so they have their key. That's why you see, these need, and shows all we need to make more black movies. I mean, they make more, you know, for example, Black Panther, which I was in, I was in Central Market. And it was in the central market was it was we had a crisis here. So everything's, you know, all the shelves are empty, but are not all of them, but some of the key

ones. And so I'm looking all around the store, all of a sudden, this is like whole, separate, Stan has got wine on it. It's got preservatives on it, like what is this? And they had a whole separate section in the store mode for black owned businesses. I'm like, What the hell? What the hell is this? I'll be shopping for wine and jam at the same time. And what are you trying to tell me here? It was very bizarre. That it's there. Come on back home. Come on back. We'll give

you a shelf. Just don't get your own store. You see, you understand what's going on is let's make it so comfortable. That you don't want to leave. Yeah, you've completely opened my eyes. I mean, I see these things everywhere now. Like, and I'm so happy to hear you say we're so sick of the virtue signaling, because that's what I see. Oh my god, like stop. Do is pander to a person. Of course, when you pander to a person, what you're saying is you're a petty,

literal literal. That's literally the definition, their definition of white supremacy. You're inferior. So we have to cater to, you know, to bring you up to our level. Aren't we so kind. So I want to talk quickly about Black Panther because that was one of the last gaffes to bring black people back into the fold of Africa. They're bringing that back, but yeah, well, the original when I saw them, once again, nothing is nothing is no pun intended. Nothing is black or white. Cuz like cool Black

Panther. Okay, my son can watch no movie and no see got like heroes and no of different varieties and just cool. But when you break that, and I'm gonna do a whole show on this eventually, one day, but just a quick synopsis of Black Panther, what happens is, you have an African Prince come to America to try to help black people. And they come here and I guess they kill him. And they leave your son killmonger, behind, which is

half African American or a DOS, half wakandan. And when he goes back and fights the real black, the standard existing Black Panther, he beats on fair square. And then the wakandans team up with the CIA to take him out of power. Crazy. Holy shit. Excuse me for cursing. I mean, what is like what? Yeah. Put all that back again. And the guy has actual rights to the throne. Yeah. Through his father. Yeah. He goes back and

wins it fair and square. And then they work with the CIA to take him out of power because he said, Let's take our resources and give it to black people across the world. And they're No, no, no, no, you can't do that. You can't be doing that. So that's what Disney is putting out. Now you see? Me? Oh, my conflict here is like, Yeah, but that review that you just gave there in? In five sentences? No One No One heard that review anywhere? Of course not because it was dashi keys and dancing.

Dancing double D's not lit. No, literally, literally, and you will see it again. I'm calling it again. You're gonna see that. But guess what, what happened? The Black Panther black male has been taken out. And guess who's gonna be the new black panther? His sister? Yep. Woman. Which I ain't ruling out sacrifice on him. But it is kind of convenient, isn't it? Very convenient. But reason why the reason why I bring it. I'm gonna give you just a little bit of theramin for that. That

was I like that. I always thought, Man, what a shame this young guy, you know, but now you bring in that that's going on? Because it would be a never ending argument. You know, you can't just you couldn't just replace him? No, because you lose half your market. Yeah. But this is very convenient. The reason why I bring up the Black Panther is because somehow Wakanda has become the black utopia. And this speaks to how silly things are. We're talking about fake country in a fake

movie. Yeah, we didn't do this with was the moon day we're coming to America. We say oh, we were gonna create onto the moon Did you know I mean, but now? Well, I do remember a lot of jokes going and we were joking around a lot back in the day when that came, you know, people actually think they're going to create their own Wakanda. And it's like, unless you have a natural resource like that.

Okay, you don't believe me? I'm gonna need a trigger warning before I play this next clip, because it's from a guy named salty cracker. So that explains that explain. No, no, not the salty cracker. Yeah, the salty cracker. So I want to cover this story. All right, can we go straight into it educator fired a Bronx school Super Nintendo says that she was fired as a result of Chancellor Richard karatzas equity agenda my friends that

advanced people of color over whites. Karen Ames is suing the New York schools for $150 billion Zimbabwean dollars right $150 million, because she says that she was targeted by Quran says quote disrupt and dismantle campaign to oust or marginalize longtime employees. She's in one of these things.

Ames was grilled about her quote, ethnic background chastised by a colleague at a training session when she shared her grandparents experience during the Holocaust in Poland, and that she was admonished when she declined a request at Super Nintendos meetings to take part in comic book movie inspired look onto forever slowed to Black Power she charges illegal filing games was praised by carozza in a visit to her Bronx school he praised her for raising math scores at a

troubled school but see they don't care about that. Racist man. She was fired. And this is New York Post New York Post you could probably look it up Bronx educator claims she was fired at the sharing Holocaust story, refusing to recount Wakanda salute. She went into the wickedness loop, which was to be honest with you, the Wakanda Salut is actually the expo Osiris in Egypt. You know, when they used to bury him? Yeah, they bury him like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. This district

of Cairo. You're saying Yeah. Oh, man. is right there. And the thing is, this lady looks like Kamala Harris. When you look at her picture, I mean, like me, she favors Kamala Harris. I'm looking right now. Man, man, man, man. What what? This will come to thing man that's a mind control right there. It is. Cuz I see it popping up everywhere. jokingly you know, like, Hey, brother, what's going on with that? No joke. No, this is not a joke. It's not but I see him

jokingly I see it I see it. And I'm like, Yeah, whatever. But now you bring it up. It's like Wow, she does look like Kamala Harris. A bit a little rougher which is a racially ambiguous I mean, you saw I mean, like it could be I mean, like you had to do to double check. I did have to look twice Yeah. Wow. Man this is why I brought that up while blog brought up Black Panther because Wow, people are getting fired over not doing the Wakanda salute. Are you kidding me?

So that is well can I get a capsule culture capsule cannon for Mr. Van Jones, please cuz he's up. He's next. Van. Oh van he was on. He was on the view. He was brought to task to working with the enemy. Oh, man, you do spend a lot of time you know, threading the middle and trying to unite people. But there are those who really accuse you of being a political opportunists, a chameleon, so to speak, who provided a racial cover four

former disgrace twice impeached President Trump. You said this, and I quote, Donald Trump and I get beat up by liberals every time I say this, but I'm gonna keep saying it. He has done good stuff for the black community. opportunity's own stuff, black college stuff. There's a side to Donald Trump that I think he does not get enough credit. yet. Just recently, you tried on CNN when Joe Biden was elected the 46th President, and you said it's easier to be a parent now. Character matters. Now truth

matters. You even mentioned George Floyd and said a lot of people felt they couldn't breathe. People in the black community don't trust you anymore. What is your response? What Wait a minute. Who is asking the question? That's that Sonny? Oh, she speaks on behalf of the black community and she can she can say that. She's late to the party because we didn't trust me for a long time. Television Yeah. Oh, wow. Cooler man. I'm so real real quick, man. If you want to know van van, he's done.

And it's bigger reasons. I'm gonna get into that later. But van Charles explains explain in 19. But it doesn't work out. You know, Black Lives Matter. Math matters to 80% of black folks that are run in part or home by Republicans, red states and purple states. So when you can pass a law as my team has done in a Louisiana, in a Georgia in a California, Michigan, red states, blue states and purple states to get people home. The people behind bars are not

sitting up. You're worried to get me out of prison, Dan, but whatever you do, don't talk to a Republican. They say get me out of prison. And I am proud of the fact that my team at the reform Alliance dreams Core and cut 50 have been able to work with anybody to get off home. And a certain point, we got to stop focusing on rhetoric and look at result. People that may not like everything I have

said on television, I tried to be balanced. But look at what I've done, who among my critics have been able to get people together to help us at the bottom? When we fight like this about everything, and you can't get anybody even a little bit of credit for anything? Who hurts? It's not the politicians. It's not the pundits is regular folks who don't have anything, people who can't vote because they're in jail. We have to put their

interests first. I'm never going to apologize for putting the interest of people at the bottom first, people need champions, whoever is in that white house. I got a responsibility to go in there and advocate and try to get people home out of prison. I'm gonna keep doing it. Whoever's in that white house. No vans not gonna work. First of all, first of all, newsflash fan. Math is racist. Yeah, so you might want to leave that out if you're

defending yourself. And, um, but it ain't gonna work. Because now you're like I said, even a Van Jones, you go on TV, you cry. You know, you, you know, you can't have any leanings towards working with the other side at all, or is cancellation but there's a ulterior motive to cancel the van. And we're gonna get to that. Did you want to make a comment before we get into the next? I was gonna say that I've always appreciated Van Jones. No matter what he did. I'd like to I'd like to crying.

I think that's great. It makes for great clips. It I think it's hard to in the right place. It's just he's got an he actually becomes the canary in the coal mine. You know, it's like, you can't have it both ways. In today's culture. It just doesn't work that way. Yeah. So and if that's the thing, that's the thing that you were saying about, um, I used to have a problem with van but when I heard the interview, we talked we heard him talking about he's a natural crier. He's

been a crier, since a kid. I used to think that was a ploy. But when you come to find out, like I said, humanizing. When they saw him as a human and say, Okay, well, your natural crier, knock yourself out. I mean, that's what you do. And this time because like, Man, this stuff, he says, Here I like, you know, it's like, most of what he's saying is good, but that's not good. Not gonna help. Well, the thing is, he thought he could, and this is what a lot of people are gonna realize. There

is no middle ground. castrato streamis, can't straddle. These are extremist. Get that through your thick hair, there is not there's gonna be total 100% compliance, or you're gonna be canceled. Yeah. And not only do they Sunny, she know she's part of the boulais aka haze. And you know, the things that nature as we heard when she was bringing up her sister, Kamala Harris, um, but they say, okay, Sonny had a piece now let me get a piece.

Then, look, you know, I lost a lot of Republican followers and people who trusted me in the republican party because of the positions I took against Trump. And Sonny is right. You've lost a lot of people who trusted you, and who saw you as a voice because of the positions you took during Trump. And in 2016. You and I were probably the two most vocal critics of Trump during the campaign on CNN, to the point where it was reported that Jared Kushner went in and met with executives at our

parent company and asked that you and I be fired. And then, you know, all of a sudden you you show up working with nepotism, Barbie and nepotism can work and showing up, you know, in pictures with Eric Trump and with Candace Owens. And so I think there's people who wonder and I'm one of them. How did that evolution happen? How did you go from being this

very principled critic of the Trump administration? That was to all of a sudden being in the White House, celebrating the wisdom and being you know, taking posing for pictures with Candace Owens? I mean, can you explain the evolution to people who are puzzled by it, but you did things like take smiling pictures with Candace Owens, who I think is very hurtful. Okay. Do you not regret that? legitimacy? You don't regret taking pictures of admiring Pinterest with Candace Owens?

Yeah, I have heard this. There is you know, you say to a to a white girl, Candace Owens. It's like, I mean, crazy millennial, obviously. Right, right. There's like, what is that? What? What is the meme about her that everyone has to hate or what what is what is she was surprised. I mean, of course, we know. Well, what are they Excuse Van Jones. We know he's a turncoat. He's a traitor, because he took pictures with with a cannon Barbie. What did

Candace Owens do? Because she you want to be completely honest with you? Yeah. Okay, because this is, this is not what I think. But this is the the you ask the question, though, how she's portrayed? Yeah, she portrayed as the white man's bad winch. Right. Okay. And that, but that's to do whatever the white conservative white men tell her to do. She'll do it. Why didn't she kind of come out? ism goes out the water

goes out the window. goes out the window. Yes, she she kind of got thrust onto the scene for a racism incident at a school, which she really didn't even want any she didn't publicize it. That happened outside of her. And then she kind of went okay. And then she saw what kind of misunderstanding there was and she became an activist to help people understand, you know, there was no white, white push at all. In fact, quite the opposite. I think she she came from very pure, pure motives. Is

that your understanding of the truth as well? Well, I saw the meteoric rise of Candace Owens, because I remember when she was just popped up my YouTube feed, but what she does is that black woman's that's what Trump or black woman supports conservative kind of, right. She was very, it was very, like I said, very organic. It wasn't like she came out with a polished. It was just kind of like YouTube videos from home.

Right? And she would kind of like it was kind of like that walk away kind of vibe while I'm walking away from the Democratic Party. And people thought I mean, that people saw her as a as a as a asset and like, okay, yeah, I mean, like, she's attractive. well spoken. I mean, she's a she's a beast on the, you know, the debate, bet debate, excuse me, you better come correct. Because like, I mean, she's very come to land on facts, she will make you look stupid if you don't come

prepared. But the problem is, and I've said this before about candidates, and this is my timing with her. Like, you don't have to talk about George Floyd and whatever he was doing the day after it happened. Now you can have the, you know, the whatever discussions and discussions probably need to be had, but it's about timing, right. But I would say this is just a young person who's an activist and who has to learn about those kinds of things. You learn about timing from getting

it wrong. Yeah, but what I'm saying is that the position she, she's in she has very little room for margin for error. Because myself, I mean, even myself, because I don't give a rat's ass what people think about me. I mean, so, but her being on the public stage like that, I know, it hurts her, it hurts her feelings. I know it has to but what she does is she takes that energy and life force multiplies it back at them. Um, which I think may be very healthy in the long term.

You can't I mean, you just can't keep ratcheting it up. But um, yeah, I think um, but they they they did this thing with Candace Owens. But it's not about Candice Owens. No, you want to hear my theory? Sure. I might need a little theorem for this because this is this is a this is a theory. This is this. Under Attack, partnership. He's dating or possibly dating. Oh, yeah. I do know this. Wasn't he dating? Some famous actress. Kim Kardashian. Okay. Some famous

not actress. Really now. Ah. Hearn, here's the story. here's the here's the scoop. Oh, Kanye Kimmel breaking up, as you seen in the news. Yeah. And supposedly, when she was there visiting with, uh, with that Jared and Ivanka. Parent van, we're getting close. Hmm. So I think this is a preemptive strike on Kim Kardashian. Because if you put Van Jones political mind and political connections behind that Kim Kardashian, California, very dangerous. Oh, interesting. Yeah, okay. And that's

why they take advantage. I mean, like that happened so many years ago. I mean, it was so long ago. They didn't even given this kind of energy when the election was going on. Why are they coming out now but soon as the stories start coming out about him and Kim Kardashian, um, all of a sudden A viewer wants to attack him. Okay. And if cam can walk that line of, well, we want to help. Yeah, Cam is a force to be reckoned with. Whoa, what a power couple. I'm looking at it. That is a super

duper power cup. Whoo. So if that's the case, interest? Yeah. I think I thought yeah, Dan's not married. Well, he's conveniently getting a divorce. Every recently. Well now, and I can easily see Kim winning governor of California. Oh, man. You know, cuz Guess what? No, no, I totally agree. I'm just laughing like, holy crap. But it was fantastic. If you go back and look at all the videos, guess who was giving her credibility to her law degree,

Van Jones. He had nothing but kind words to say. And Van Jones is backed by Jay Z. Yeah. So I'm just gonna say that. Well, you know what? That would be. At least we'd have something new on the political stage. I know. That'd be great. I don't really care. If you're Republican, Democrat. Let's just get some young people in there. Hey, Hello, 40s. Hello, 30s crit. Let's go crazy. Let's get

some younger thinking in there. And I think that's one good thing about what Donald Trump did that nothing you can do in your past is probably right, that means you can do it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So now you're gonna open it up to a lot of different schools of thought to be in politics, because politics used to be a purity game. Yes. Now with you know, if you can command the headlines, and you know, and get the people out in mobile and mobile, right, so, so

that wasn't, you know, that was my first take on one. Linear thinking and individualism. Um, I think that um, yeah, I mean that I think it's a clear it's clear attack. You saw they did the van. You saw I did the horse. Yes. There's no room for there's no room you saw they did to the teacher? And, excuse me, the superintendent. Yeah. And in the Bronx, we're not doing the Wakanda. Man. This is sounding a lot like, you know, other revolutions that

we've seen in the past, where there's purity test. Yeah. Um, but that's what we do here on the most backs with the Adam Curry show. And, hey, yeah, you want to tell people what we're about? Well, here's a little expander explainer for the white man and the black man has to be able to sit down at the same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his mind without

hurting the feelings about Negro. And the so called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man, then they can bring the issues that are under the rug on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved, but the only way to do it. And this is a very popular idea. It appears as now we see President Barack Obama doing a podcast with Bruce Springsteen, trying to catch a little bit of that mo facts with Adam Curry vibe.

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fax. Sorry, it's mo fund me.com MOFND me.com. And thank you to our execs and associate execs for producing Episode 59. But speaking of Kanye as it so happens, yeah, um, he's from the future. He called this. And we can just get right into 22. And it's a throwback clip from show 13. If you talk about politics, then you are not a service to Christ, but to mute. And African Americans voice at this level is a form of slavery.

And being a slave to the system, and to people's perceptions. And the reality of what people have chosen for our culture, since we are orphans is not in service to God. And in the Bible, there's many topics of slavery, and we are African Americans. And we are still dealing with modern day slavery. We still have record contracts, publishing deals, touring deals, management deals, radio deals, that we not the owners. Until we really own our own community really make Wakanda

for real, it's gonna take more than the Jesus shape. We got to make what kind of product with us too, though, you know what I'm saying, Man I've been waiting for. You see how pervasive this will compensate this is Yeah. But he as he says that if you don't control and this is what the hurt arm. Think is Hershkowitz thing. Yes, her skin, her skin hurt. herskovits excuse me, um, if you don't define or if you're not defining the culture or the people who

work for you. Yep. Yeah. And that's what he's experiencing and he was kind of speaking to vanch I was in a roundabout Wait, you're gonna be you're gonna be you're gonna be cancelled if you don't submit and in the next clip, he makes a prophetic statement. I want to say one thing about calling in for move on. I want to be praying for that brother because I know this whole Kim Kardashian paid and they're gonna try to crack him with this. They are sitting around licking their

chops right now when I mean they the entertainment media. Yeah, they're already they're gonna drag him. No, this This is nothing. I'm talking about two levels. Path Bill Cosby. I mean, you they're gonna mean because they had to take him down. They have they have to take either free man thinking free man talking. And that is totally off code. Yeah, so the prayers for Begley because that's going to be very, very hard for him. Yes, so I just want to say that but luckily he

he's he's seems to be strong in his faith now. So hopefully that person that that helps him get through this time. But in this next clip, he speaks about one of the things on the list, and that's the cancelling of Christianity and Christ. Are you afraid of losing your audience? Yay. I told you I'm only afraid of God. I'm only afraid of my daddy God. And I'm been 15 years I'm telling you, God is showing that you can have your own thoughts bro. I've been cast before that was canceled

culture. Who told you that my career would be over the same people that are telling you that you can't have a right to say who you will vote for those people will be soon to take Jesus out to school. Those people will be soon to remove Jesus period from America, which is the Bible Belt. Those people will be so mad Come on, man. I'm finna go Alex Jones. man Come on man. Like wake up wake up Mr. West wake up culture. Wake up. I think they so woke but they following the rules of what woke

supposed to be hip hop a never been about following rules. It's been about doing what you feel. I'm gonna take the Louis I'm gonna do with the Polo I'ma do it like this. Even like the way I put on, let me use my African American voice. Let me use my Disney approved voice. Let me hear I'm saying we're not even speaking in our own language, bro. Like, we talk louder than

this African stuck on Italian moms talk loud. We talk louder, but we speak in our corporate voice or we don't want to ruin the deal voice or this one. I love y'all, man. And I love me. And I love Christ. And you also love to see this. I'm not gonna tell y'all what y'all should do. I'm just doing what I do. If you love it, then cool. If y'all want to meet in a go make a difference. Honestly, I haven't been killed so many times on social media. And I'm still here, I'll still look at me.

I love that clubs. One of my favorites. I say y'all are being woke. But by the rules are being woke. And that's what this document that came out from the Museum of American History. That is the rules for being woke. Gotta get rid of this scientific method, rational thinking individualism, hard work, and forth on that list is Christianity and Christ. Yeah. So this is not about I

mean, this is not about religion. This is about taking one of the foundations of America and foundations of this is about taking away one of the bedrocks of a large portion of America, canceling it this very disruptive. And on cue, Shaun King comes in. Oh Jesus, no, Jesus Christ. Watch out because Shaun King is coming this week. Trans racial civil rights activist Shaun King are some of you know Kalka, Max tried to cancel the

evil racist of them all. Jesus. Yeah, shamrock. Obama tried to take down the King of kings, the white one specifically Unfortunately for him. He's 2000 years later, what's commonly referred to as CPT. Al Sharpton tweeted the statues of the white European Jesus should come down. They're a form of white supremacy and always have been, first of all, for someone who crucifies white people for a living. I assume he appreciate

the imagery. Secondly, he kind of has appoint certain groups of youth Christianity to oppress people, slave traders that kkk jewelers, but White is always a form of white supremacy Martin Luther cream, what the fuck are you talking about? Sean says in the Bible when Jesus wants to hide he went to Egypt, not Denmark. That is true probably because Denmark didn't exist. But I think Revelation there good marshmallow was trying to make is that Jesus wasn't white. Hey, Shawn, no shit.

So let me just say this if whiteness was a commodity or stock I'll be going short on white right now. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Put a bit of put put up short on wise is very short on white a lot a lot go long gone brown Yeah, because I mean that's that's that's the up income if you compare like cashed to like a crypto right Brown is the crypto right? So it's gaining is gaining is gaining a lot of value right now. And I'm not talking about

per se color. I'm talking about these groups that are being defined by the East Coast like color revolution kind of thing, not literal color. But the only problem is black value is rarely tied to white value, right? Because we helped build this country that these people are trying to tear it out. And it's like what, wait, hold on. You want to do what to America?

Yeah. It puts us in a weird spot. Cuz it's like, Yeah, we got some beef with a we understand, you know, I mean, they still owe us our atonement, but you want to burn it down. Yeah. And so now you have a fork and blackness. You have half the black to want to go with but I was gonna I was gonna ask you what do you think that percentage is? Mo? I mean, that's, I mean, how big is taking the voting numbers? Let's just take the voting numbers. Thanks, Tony. wailing you found

the numbers. No, no, no, I'm saying the numbers that they said. If they said twice the turnout for Trump, then last year, so we can leave kill off bad. Right. Okay. All right. Why don't we have a baseline from 2016? Yeah, yeah. So they keep saying this twice. Number. So if you say they say at 20. But AB is mean to 20? You have some big banking that 20? Yeah, you have some big names in that. 20. And then we really don't know if it's at 20 or not, because the silent majority is

on the sidelines be much bigger. Yeah. Right. So all I'm just saying is that if you you're asking me to? If Okay, do you say they're trying to cut a deal with me? And they say, Oh, come on, come on. Come on browser, nothing. Come on. I mean, why would sell 20th century? Come on, come on into the 21st century. And it's like, Yeah, but what about this bill that we have? met Bill, man, did you read that HR? 40 bullcrap. I mean, it really is. It really is. It's so open to interpret to

end. And it seems like they want to spend a lot this is what I was worried about. I'm glad we're talking about for a second is this whole section in there, which we've seen this hr 40 come by before, but this is a little new, when it wants to do a study of the actual enslavement. And I think you'll find that it wasn't a lot of American sailing ships that were doing the the transport and those boats to get me castle. Castle, castle castle, but you know what, I'm gonna do it.

Nothing to show all right here, this might get a I mean, like, yeah, I'm just what I'm reading. I'm just telling you what I'm reading. I'm picking up what you're putting down. Okay, on the boats. Right? If the boats even existed, I mean, we don't go there. Let's just even do that one. Yeah, I love man. We got to do a whole episode on that. If the boats existed love it. Yes. So um, but yeah, it's that they're coming to me and say, Oh, come on.

Invest in brown. Yeah, no, no, no, you know, I say go short on white. Invest in brown. It's the new thing. But I'm old in white coin. Right. So you know, you don't want the white coin to go away? No, because Are you going to inherit their debt? Right. I'm not talking about me specifically, but I'm saying me as a black person. Like, this is the thing we put it out on the table. This is the thing with Marxism. It's why they keep coming with Marxism. Communism. You know? Why? You know, never.

Capitalism never worked out for you black people, you know, I mean, so it's like, okay, but what's my standing in this new society? You're trying to form? Yeah. We're all be equal. Yeah, all of us have nothing. Yeah, we kind of like the idea of the promise better. Yeah, the thing is I can Yeah. I just this is a very hard sale. Yeah. Cuz I it's clear cut my case. If you want to hear the case go back to 50 my case against you know, the institution or the country of America is quite clear.

With this, it's like a just take a leap of faith and we'll get you good on the back end. Yeah. For we've heard that one before. Yeah. And then the way they rule I can't I can't rock with that. But yeah, but crisis aren't crisis on the hit list. Clearly. Um, so if, why Jesus is gonna be taken out. Is it possible you could talk about a black Jesus, similar Jesus? And goodbye. I had him in the closet. We weren't performing no miracles for nobody.

Jesus came alongside, forget it. The only Jesus I know is him. And the one thing you don't need is a partner. This picture has been in my family for as long as I can remember. When I was a baby, I don't know what I saw first. My mama my papa or this Jesus. He is the one I know and love. So let's close the subject. Jesus was black the Bible with a sense Oh, so what are you talking about? I read about it. In Revelation chapter one. Verse 14 says his hair is like wool.

We know Jesus wasn't black. He could have been from the lost tribe of Israel. They were supposed to be black. People would know why Wow. Don't 70 don't hear that anymore. Do ya? 1970s Wow, I'm just gonna ask this question. Chinese got Chinese Jesus. Everybody got their own when he ever you make Jesus a black person is so upsetting to certain certain certain group of people. I don't understand that. And what you do is you opened up a door for Sean Kane to make an argument they say get rid of

Jesus. What No, we Yeah, because like you heard Florida. Let me give a little background that was from the good Tom show. I didn't set it up too well, but that was from the good Tom show. And JJ had painted an image of a black Jesus. And Michael being reminded me of me, Miami of a young man who went and hung it up to the white Jesus down, right. And his mom said, You heard what Florida Evans said. I don't know who I saw first white Jesus. Yeah.

Right. Right. So what I'm saying is this that opens the case UP TO SAY THEY uses white really white man religion to slave you. You're saying yeah, it's time to rebrand it's time to repackage but um, but why is it so infuriating? I don't understand. Like I say when you go to China, you have Chinese Jesus you go to any other culture you have matching of that culture. But if for one reason or another like I said 1970s and late I'm surprised leader let them on television. I

mean, I gotta give him props for that, you know? Um, that had to be very brave. A lot more back then you can't do anything anymore. Why is that why are we going backwards? If we're more free than we would have been going backwards because the advertisers have more power and advertisers want zeros zeros zero controversy. No bad feelings. everybody happy? Yeah, that means that the basis of it but then he saw I'm just saying so.

It just it just perplexes me anytime. We're in a spiral I mean, now that we have social media, and the the tools have been developed and sharpened to people know how to do it. You just go after the advertiser and say, Hey, advertiser, I can't believe you're advertising on this show. Oh, we're gonna cancel you Oh, we're gonna make a problem for you. And then that immediately is taken taken care of by canceling the media by whatever has to happen

making a stand making an apology. It's pressure, it's bullying, it's really bullying. And let me say one thing, when I say when I say the American Museum when they say talk about getting rid of Christianity, they're not talking about Catholicism. No, they're not. That's not what they're talking about. Cuz the pope is bought in. He's read into the plan. Here, they're talking about the Bible. And it's a large enough segment, I'm

not gonna say law, but large enough. Oh, black people that feel that we have some time to that book. That when you come for that, I think that's gonna be that's gonna be overreach. Because, as you heard in the 1970s, people saw my black Jesus and the last child, Israel. And then we have Malcolm X, speaking on a Moses, Jesus in jail. Why you haven't got a man of God in the Bible? That wasn't what the jail when they started speaking up against exploitation. They charged Jesus with sedition.

Didn't they do that? They said he was the king. They said he was discriminating because he told us to the disciples, so not the way of the Gentiles, but rather go to the lost sheep. He discriminate, don't go near the Gentiles, go to the lush sheep, go to your friends, go to the downtrodden, go through the exploited, go to the people who don't know who they are, who are lost from the knowledge of themselves, and who

are strangers in the land that is not there. Go to those people go to the free, go to the second class citizens go to the ones who are suffering the brunt of Caesars brutality. And if Jesus were here in America today, he wouldn't be going to the white man. The white man is the oppressor. He would be going to the oppressed. He would be going to the humble. He would be going to the lowly, he would be going to the rejected in the despise, he would be going to the so called American Negro.

Yo, what year that was a 6663. I believe 64 if I'm not mistaken, one of them right in between those two gentlemen, just a couple years away from from the good times episode. Yeah, I will say this, this momentum was building of once again, who are we? Who are we wait a minute, but I actually read the Bible, it says something different than when I when I see these pictures, which all cultures do that all cultures make gods, even in Greece, they redid the Egyptian Pantheon, you know?

It is what it is. And that's why Egypt is their holy grail. And we talked about in the last show. Yeah. On that on the left hand path. So, um, my favorite racist, Donald Sterling, because briefly, I say that is Donald Sterling. And all that he did he draw so many truth bombs, and I think that's why they got him canceled canceled. I mean, they're like you take your $2 billion for your team, right? We will pay you twice what the value is, and you're out here talking Yeah, because I have a

video have the audio tape of him talking to V us. Step by step established. Lonnie step by oni I think it's how you pronounce it. This is this this hit the audio that got him in so much trouble. Oh, this is what yeah, this really got him in trouble, but you didn't hear about it. Um, this is a Donald Sterling talking about the black Jews. It makes you happy. I will remove all of the black people for money.

I understand. I did remove the people that were independently on my Instagram that are black. Why did you say that? You didn't you just said you didn't remove them. Matt camp in Magic Johnson. His mix? And he was okay. Just like me. He's lighter whiter than me. I met his mother. I'm a racist. I don't think I think you you I don't think so. I think you have an amazing

heart, honey. I think that people around you have a voice in mind and have a way In the world, you go to Israel. The blacks are just treated like dogs. The white Jews, there's white Jews and blacks. You understand? And are the black Jews less in the white? Right? Is the question. We don't evaluate what's right and wrong. We live in a society. We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture. But shouldn't we take a stand for what's wrong? And be the change in the difference?

change the culture cuz I can't do what I want. I don't want the Girl. Girl, they will do what I want. You might as well. You didn't hear that on the news. Not that last bit. I heard part of the other piece I think we had. No, we had no agenda when we had the clip. Okay. I'm sorry to hear that on the move. No, you're No, you're right. But it's amazing. They counselor for Magic Johnson and taking pictures down and 14. Yeah, yeah. But he brings up the black Jews and say 150%

Yeah. Not 150% treated like dogs. And they suppress it. Why is that offensive? Where the pro Palestine people are on this? Where I mean, aren't you notice like, we're bringing this up. Nobody takes it home. So I have a V. She's on speaking with Barbara Walters. And I want bought them out for a little clarity. Bob Walters is 100% Jewish. I don't think she's a practicing religious, Jewish, but more ethnic Jews. Listen to how she sounds when the brings up the black Jews on

her show. I think the things he says are not what he feels. Anyone can say anything in the heat of the moment. Not everybody who makes alleged racist remarks and the heat of the moment. Sometimes in the heat of the moment you say things that you mean that you mean, or that you fail? Yeah. Explain how he says these things. I think this determines from a different generation than I am. I think he was brought up to believe those things wasn't

segregation, whites and blacks. minorities, from black Jews, to light Jews to dark Jews. Black Jews, yes. So it's not just blacks. It's anti semitism he expresses but he's Jewish, but through his actions. He's shown that he's not a racist. You should see her face when she was video. Yeah, she's Black Watch. What she does is when you gotta we probably gotta listen to it again. Because she says, Oh, it's an anti semitism thing. Yes, exactly. Not a black thing.

That was really funny. minorities, from black Jews, to like Jews, to dark Jews. Black Jews. Yes. So it's not just blacks. It's anti semitism he expresses that's the classic pivot, right? We talked about it with the ice cube. When everything comes out, it's always anti semitism. They always make it about that. And I just put a little clarity if you didn't notice. Ah, yeah, so it's just like she'd never heard of black Jews before a black Jew like what are you talking about?

Maybe she hadn't I don't know. Did you not hear his tape? Why are you shocked? Come on, knock it off. Um, I'm Bob barber I'm talking to come on. Um, but I know a lot of people got their pens and pads out right now. I'm ready. Right mo fax a letter your laptops and like, what the hell is mo talking about? Well, I'm from the book of the Bible, believe me, we shouldn't make graven images or anything. So we really shouldn't be talking about, you know, what, what the painting look like or anything

like that. Right? So let me be clear on that. But one of the most famous preachers in all of history, Billy Graham's take on black Jesus horns on his brow and his face was bleeding. And they laughed at him and they spit on and they mocking and with one snap of his fingers. 72,000 angels had already drawn their swords ready to come to his rescue and wipe this planet out. of existence in the universe. And Jesus said no, to this end was eyeball

dragged and lifted in Paul that cross. And don't you black people ever forget one thing. The man that helped Jesus carry that cross was a black man. And don't ever forget another thing. Jesus belongs to Africa as much as he does to Europe and Asia. He was born in that part of the world that touches Africa and Asia and Europe. And Jesus was not a white man. Like me.

He is black as some of you. We don't know what the color of his skin but it must have been a dark color, like the people of his day, because he was a man like them. Don't ever say it's a white man's religion, or a black man's religion. It's our world religion. He belongs to the world. pretty famous. pretty famous sermon. Yeah. I mean, and Billy Graham had the ear of all the Presidents always, I mean, to say he was like one of the most powerful men in this era. I

mean, but I'm just saying, that ain't my words. You take it out with Billy Graham. Yeah, I mean, you heard what he said. So, um, but we've known that they wanted to get rid of Jesus every since show two. And this is goes to talk about what Florida everyone's saying that she's seeing white Jesus every since she's been a child. This is from show two, claiming a seat at the table. I wanted to start by just giving you a little perspective of my

household in the 70s. If you were like me, growing up in the 70s, their portraits of MLK JFK, and Jesus hung on on a lot of folks was that was the Trinity. Today, the trinity of Oprah, Beyonce, and Michelle Obama could almost replace them. Wow. Well, Oprah, a Beyonce and who's the third one? Um, Barack Obama was a bright No, no. Michelle Obama. Michelle. I'm sorry. Sorry. Who's coming down off the wall for GGP? Yeah. Well, let me see Oprah beyond say, Michelle. I don't know I mean, well,

look into the clip. In a bizarre step to bolster the cult of season paint the Christian minority in the Jiangxi province of Southeast China, have been now advised to replace the image of Jesus Christ with that of President Xi Jinping. That logic the Jesus Christ would not, would not pull the poor Christians out of their poverty by President Xi Jinping. Quote, on the back of this logic, the Christian for in the shanty province have been asked to take down the images of Jesus Christ,

the crucifixes and rosary beads and instead, replace them. With the posters of President Xi Jinping. What has drawn sharp criticism in this promotion of the culture of Xi Jinping is that those who do not replace the images of Jesus Christ with that of Xi Jinping will not be provided with the poverty alleviation. policies of government services and funding by the Chinese government. Also, in fact, included as a penalty

for not conforming to that norm. The Jiangxi province has more than 11 million members of the Christian community who live in abject poverty. According to some service members of the Christian community across the whole of China is about 90 million which outnumbers the total membership of the

Communist Party in the country. President Xi Jinping in the promotion of his personality cult is trying to recreate a similar practice where after the Cultural Revolution in China, people used to hang up the posters of Mao Zedong.

Well, it's such a simple and effective strategy where you say, okay, Zhang ping, T will replace Jesus because He will bring salvation to you the poor, and if you don't hang up his picture, then you'll see and if you do, oh yes, there comes to salvation, because you don't get it if you don't have this picture. But meanwhile, the Kids learn that that's the guy. The next generation is who this affects most deeply. Yes. That's sick. How old? Is this a new clip?

Ah, I think maybe a year or two old. Wow. Yeah. That's what's out now you going back now? You want me to buy into that? Right? I think not. And I think I will be comfortable to say a lot majority of people in America, black or not our non black would not go for that either. I think they'd be shocked. I'd never heard of this clip. I think they'd be shocked if they knew that was going on. Yeah, but you see, that's why it's the what is it called

Overton window? I think the Overton window. Okay, Jesus comes down for Beyonce, Michelle Obama and other lady. Okay, now we replace them with Gigi Ping. Yeah, isn't that rolled off his tongue to say Oh, yeah, we took down Jesus, JFK and MLK. Oh, yeah. We put up a first lady a celebrity and it's like what? So they're preparing you to get rid of your faith, whatever your faith is, or whatever. They're preparing. They're preparing the next

generation. That's really who it affects everything we've heard about. Okay, the first picture I saw when I was born, that was my mom it was Jesus Christ. And now it'll be Gigi ping or it'll be Beyonce and she's endorsing that regime Wow, I'm a little depressed mo hold on let's do this. Some people out there who need my services any people out there who are weak people out there who are out there who just need to hear y'all got kids there you go. Yeah, we're not beating around the bush about it

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check. Yeah, geez, Christianity slash the Bible. Let's just say the Bible. Yeah. Cuz I mean, that Christianity thing is kind of what what do we what are we missing? What else do we have to get out of stable nuclear family? Let's ruin that. Let's get rid of that. So as I pointed out, we've been talking about this thing for over a year. Yeah. I mean, we got clips from that, you know, just the second show.

We've been talking and it's not a pattern, I bet. It's just that this conversation needs to be had amongst you and someone else, like me and Adam, this is a conversation between me and Adam. When we get together, and like, and we fill in the blank screenshot, it's like, Oh, I didn't know that, you know, and in the picture becomes clear. So this guy, this is Mr. Jason

Whitlock, and this is for show 21. And he was talking about the planned demise of the black family, all kinds of decisions are being made, all kinds of new cultural norms are being established, that perhaps you don't agree with. And, but you're running around chasing after Trump, and don't even care, that all your cultural norms are being reshaped. And and, again, we have created particular is throughout American society, but it's most acute in our society.

We have been convinced as black men and women that we don't need each other. Right? That's the most toxic, poisonous, dangerous creation we can have. We're on the precipice of self destruction, if that takes root. Yep. Sounded like hyperbole then. Yeah, but not really now, huh? When would you have the documentation that says Oh, yeah, you know, that stable family, stable nuclear family. And I saw this thing cropping up. If they do this weird

sleight of hand trick. They say, well, we're talking about extended family. Yeah, right to be. Well, if you just take it on service, I'm like, that's cool. Because I kind of grew up with extended families. You know, your grandma lived with you. You know, I mean, she's still a very, very successful model and many cocoa is the best is the best. I mean, my mother in law lived with me for four years. And you you It's amazing.

The relationship she has with the kids and Yeah, um, if you need want to go out on a date, you don't have to really get a babysitter, per se. Yeah, that's the whole idea of mom and dad can still have a marriage, married life. It's a pressure release. And it's like, it's like kids keep an eye on grandma. But she cuts the stove off. forgetful. I'm all for it. I didn't really grow up my grandparents because we lived overseas. And I was always a

little envious. And when they came to visit, it was a big deal. Yeah, well, luckily for me for a few years of my life, I live next door to one set of grandparents. I'm talking about literally next door. And then my maternal grandmother came to the house almost every day. And as I said, I had a wonderful

childhood, I actually lived the American life, right? I mean, like that it's meant to be and that's why I may be so attached to it in a way because the way you know, I mean, we have a lot of money, but like I said, nuclear family and but then you had the extended family nearby. And, you know, you learn so much. Really, I'm a baby boomer. I'm not in chronological years, but like, what am I, um, my makeup? Because I saw my grandparents and, you know, I was so close to

them the things they instilled in me. I'm not really in that I think I will be considered Generation X. But I had the mindset of an older generation because I had an appreciation for it because I was exposed to it but going back to what I was saying was they sell you on the dream of extended family of cousins and now that's not what they're talking about. what they're talking about. is these makeshift families. Right? Where

are you? on clay we're friends get together. Everybody can afford a house. That Zach we're talking about. And I'm gonna give you a sample how this breezed over into pop culture and mainstream culture. Oh, okay. Friends giving? Yes. Yeah, you're right. Friends giving you not really to policy your family. Get together with friends and now call it friends. This is this is the new plan where you'll be living in a bunk you have a book in a

dorm in a dorm? Yeah. I think you did a clip on with a Lululemon guy, where he like, sleeps in like a bunk and he has like two pair of underwear. Pants. And, exactly. That's the plan for the future. And it's like, well, the luxury of raise your kid to create your own family. Cuz your real family sucks, and they don't understand you. So this is the this is the war, but they roll these things out. And you see me like I said, I could have had 60 clips in the show. But it's just

that friendsgiving is a perfect example of this. It's not that they're gonna sell you the extended family, which I'm more than a fan of, because I think it takes stress off of kids to get not the pressure to be 18 and figure things out and go off on their own right. I really don't think kids and especially kids in this gym in this age, because of Arrested Development.

Um, that not as a negative thing, but just, we age slower now, or even myself, you know, I mean, me at 40 I will probably be where my dad was, like, 27 I mean, so, cuz they grew up hard. I mean, rough. Um, but yeah, so that's what they're trying to do is they're trying to sell this I forget the name of it. It's like a selected family or something like that. Where Yeah, so that's what they're trying to do and familiar with the with a select

and I'm sure they do have a catchy phrase for it. I don't know what it is. It is it slips my mind what it is, but um, yeah, so basically you it won't be extended family which you would think that's the opposite of the nuclear family. But no, it's this the like, bit family, like all these friends. So, um, Jason was on it. And he was saying like, yeah, they're trying to say black men and women don't need each other and

as always say, it starts with us. And that's why you see divorce and single parent families and things are through the roof and man that's all you want to live. That's your choice. But I don't like how the media selling it as the the best way. If it works for you works for you. But let's get back into fresh out 21 and get back in with Jason Whitlock in the patriarchy. Believe in family blue. Believe in the patriarchy where and again I don't talk I am the patriarchy. I tell people

up front. You know in it. I pay a price for that with these woke women now but I believe men and women have unique responsibilities. And I'm willing to live up to mine. As a man. I don't again, unique responsibilities, not unequal responsibilities, unique responsibilities. All the responsibilities that apply to a man. I'm willing to take on. Family of choice or chosen family, chosen family. That's the one I see. That's the trick. It's like you think nuclear family extended family? No, it's

the chosen family. It's the family of choice versus the family of procreation. Yes. Man, it's so heavy. So heavy duty stuff. You know what the weird thing is, I got a couple of messages. And like, people actually think you're the conservative one on this show, Adam. That is interesting. No, but that's that's the biased thing. They're like, well, the black guy has to be more liberal than the white guy. I mean, it's father. No. I'd say you're a little bit more in Yeah, I think

I am. I am. I think you're not saying that. This you're liberal, but I'm just saying, I embrace my not when I say conservative, I'm not talking about political affiliation. Explain it to the peenya. I'm talking about a social conservative. Ah, and to give you an example of, we always talk about television shows we have to go back to billions. And one of the guys identify with my guilty pleasure is Charles rose senior from billions. And I get him.

And this is a this is him giving advice on divorce. He really did try to try harder. On the marriage seven years before you even entertain the notion of a divorce ad and the day that Dorsey brothers showed that Presley boys swiveling his hips, there's been a slow but steady erosion of the family. Well, here's how you keep one going. You find a group of friends better than you find one

worse about them to each other. And then when you're all bitched out, run 10 miles a day, take your birth control pills, and flush them and make that kid your project together. And if IRA doesn't know how to fuck you, you teach him, okay. I'm not done. One more thing. Give yourself the Lyme test. You stick your finger in lime juice and put it up inside and if it stings, get yourself cleaned out. does not bring the clap home. Your husband. It's unsafe. Oh

my god. Man, old school. Girls, Roy. Yeah. Identify with people like that. So I think people should try to keep families intact and create families in it. That's just me. Speaking of, of television shows, I'm reading here that the Fox Television so almost family? Uh huh. Well, that is some deep propaganda for the family of choice. And I think this is us is another one. You're probably right. Yeah. Francis, in one phrase was an earlier version of

this chosen family. Yeah. Yeah. If you watched it, watch the commercials. Watch the commercials. Yeah. You better start the pressing me mo no, not identify the prey. We identify the problem we can solve the problem. The problem is that we do think everything Oh, yeah, Prince given. But if you want to get with friends with thanksgiving, understand, oh, like so my family, I get it. Right. But it's just this thing of choosing, you get to choose everything. You get to choose your family. It's about

destroying lineage, is what I mean. That's what it's about. It is destroying everything, everything, everything, the fabric that all fabric care, so much of your self identity comes from your lineage. Whether you like it or not, it's what it is. The way you're made up if you're around your parents, your brothers, your sisters, your aunts, uncles, your see yourself, you like that aggravates that aggravates me about them, and then you realize you do it

too. So then that's how you have self improvement. So I mean, it's it's it's the process so Going back to black men, the problem is now these black men, right? Black men are the white men or white people or black people. That's the narrative. And that's why we can't get along. Because we have these crazy conservative ideas that come from the patriarchy. This comes from the conspiracy to destroy black boys from show nine.

And it tells you pretty much what black men want in general, out now we have a lot of people making plenty of money and love that place money for for family. You see black men, regular white men buy their family house in the suburbs to car and once a year go down to Orlando for Disney World vacation. And when black men can't do that, they don't feel they're worthy enough to stay. So that was a short clip. But I found a longer clip that really

explains what's your working class. And that's that's what I speak for. I mean, people think I may think I'm a professional because I'm an engineer, but bro, I'll work my way up from packing boxes at the end of the line to where I'm at now. So my heart and my my understanding goes out to the dude that lights them up every day, and go may earn a living. And all we want every time is outlined in this next clip, which, of course, if you want to talk about black men and black

families, you got to go talk to Steve Bannon. Right? That would seem like the guy I mean, that's almost like our, our buddy herskovits seems like seems like the guy seems like he has the profile. Well, let's listen to Steve Bannon talk about his family and how they came up with the bill. You know, my grandfather and father faith, the only two guys in the history of the bell system to be both 50 employees. My grandfather worked

there 50 years as a lineman, and a PBX guy. And my dad was 50 years started in the sewer pulling cable and worked for 50 years as a father and son worked 50 years for the phone company. So you had these big institutions, you know, I was fortunate enough to be raised in a in a great time in America, right, the 50s and 60s. And he believed in these big institutions, the Catholic Church, the phone company, and

these were, you know, permanent fixtures in your life. And it's kind of that stability came from a neighborhood that was a little bit tough, but it was not like, it was a very solid, great background, I go throughout the world and meet these very wealthy people I deal with all the time and see their kids, the greatest thing you can give a kid is that kind of basic core loving family that's there and rock solid. So the family, the church, the community, the phone company, these are institutions.

And so institutions are, are everything is a very institutional life when you think about it quite hierarchical, but it's it's it gives you a set framework that you can you can you can grow and be you know, get to be an adult and there's a real sense of, you know, something that's solid, there's something that's real. Yeah. So he pointed out, he said, you need the family, the church industry, yep. The way that we used to work is my dad worked in this factory.

And if my son just wanted to be up to my standard of living, I will get him a job at the factory. And this is a night where your kids can inherit your job. It used to be that way, you know, cuz you get your keys in the union or Yeah, or, you know, our own at the factory. And, you know, at least you know, you know what, my son is not going to have a worse life than mine.

But this is where America sold their people out. And black man was just like, that's all we want, you know, is the, you know, live in our own neighborhood and have our church. And the reason why I use the black man and clip is because he's Irish Catholic. wish they were the last to get on the white train. Right. Cuz, I mean, if you read some of the literature from the KKK, they hated the cat. No, yeah, yeah, right up there, if not more than blacks. I mean, it was it was neck and neck at times.

But what I was saying is, even with that, you know, built in roadblocks, they carved out their own little neighborhood and they carved out their industry. And, you know, they're, I think they were talking about the phone company, the bell Bell company, and his granddad worked there for 50 years. His dad worked there for 50 years now look at him. You know, two generations, three generations. Now you have a son that's a

Hollywood mogul, I believe. I think this is Official of work, he's, he got I know he made money in Hollywood, he owns a piece of the Seinfeld show. He invested. Yeah. two to two working in stores put in line and been two generations from there. So let's all we won't give us a shot. But you know what? I'm gonna tell you like this, um, we're not given that shot. And I had to be very serious when I say this now. Because when you see a black man, let me see, I can say this.

When you see a black man give it his all. And is chewed up, spit out by the system. You saw this in the rust belt with white Americans. And you know, I think Michael Moore said this, the reason why they voted for Trump, it was a big middle finger to the, to the you know, to the establishment and the elite, right? You put your you gave it your all. And then the company has walked in and gives you a pink slip. Or, you know, you phase you out cuz you're too old

or don't give you a pension. And you as a black man, you see your father done like this? Marxism and communism seems like a viable option. Like it is what it is what capitalism has for me. And if you don't believe me, listen to this. This is real, because I'm in the middle right now. And I'm looking at my Dad, I'm looking at my son. And I'm like, Is it something here for me? Like, it was an American contract? Does that really exist still? Or is it every man for

himself? You know, and then you got to make the best deal for yourself? I don't even know if I can answer that at the moment. Mo. I think structurally, yeah. But the fabric on top of it, that communicates that message is very distorted. But that's what you saw at the Capitol. Exactly. That's what you saw at. I mean, that's why I can empathize with those folks.

Because when they shut down the flour mills and the textile mills and a small knock on town from before my uncles had high school education at best, but they could take care of their families. Right. Fast forward, you know, 30 years. And you could have two people working and you're scraping by. This is the deal America wants to get given to you wonder why the kids are looking for a new political structure? Yeah, no, you're right. Are you surprised?

Well, I'm not gonna put it I'm not gonna put it off. I'll often the young people in the people that's looking for different now I will say they're short sighted. Because you know, but I am seeing very hopeful very hopeful moves towards other exits than the than a socialist system.

I see a lot. What about the worker? What about the guy that just wants to get out 40 hours a week, when I'm talking about young young young people who have come out of college with papers worthless, and they are starting to build their own world, they're starting to build their own systems. Bitcoin is a

part of that. I think that's a different crowd, though. I'm talking about the guy that gets up and just wants to go and be a contributor for 40 hours a week and have the house May, I'll just say stay bad, a small house and not a nice neighborhood. I mean, it wasn't the suburbs. You know, I mean, it was working class. Right. Well, that's what it was got one of those guys got you. I mean, what is the manufacturing that that is? That has to be brought back? I would

not know what it is. Otherwise, there's farming. No, that's what I'm telling you. That's what I'm saying to America. You're playing with fire right now for sure. Because once those people stopped believing in the dream thing, not communicating that dream to the and like I say, the the keeper of that dream is black America. I'm just gonna give it to you straight. Because we bought in, you know, go to school, make yourself viable, you know, whether you're a plumber or electrician, you

know, I mean that the workers. I mean, like I said, I'm dabbling in entrepreneurial things right now. But I can tell you what the sentiment of the worker is. Yeah, it's messed up. And when you lose them, you lose your country. So I've asked that's the drag that out but without this said, all that is set this next clip up and this is a angry black man, quote, angry, um, because he's seen his father, destroy. And he ended up becoming a communist. And you want to play the clip.

Keep your word. Alright, if you are a man, you keep your word. And now all the black people in this country are demanding, and even the black people in the whole world are demanding is that you keep your word you told us we were free will then show us that we're free. You told us that there is justice, equality for all in this country, you will stick to your word. And let us see the

justice and equality for all. Or else. You're not a man, your word you're afraid of us, you're afraid to give us equal. You're afraid that if you give us equal ground that we will match you and we will override you. And if that's what you're afraid of just what you're afraid of. But don't keep hiding it from us and holding this up to us. And every time we ask you for something, you give us a little bit of something and

we don't want tokenism. And then most black men in this wallet don't want charity. Every time we ask you for something, you give us a little piece a little piece, you're playing games with us. What big man I've seen my father. He was a big man he raised, he went down. And he has to go around to the back door with his wife. We're not asking for anything. We're not asking for any favors. All we want is what's ours.

And that's the sentiment. Now. We bought into this country and I say we I'm speaking for the worker now. Not the worker in the communist aspect. But the guys that drive the trucks and you know, those guys, and it's getting to the point now where you can't even have a wife. You don't have enough money to have a wife and a family anymore. That's not what you want for a country. No, no, it's not unique to America right now. But some of our some of the problems we're dealing with are or the

actually the opportunities we have. I think it's a lot worse than other countries a lot worse. And that's why I'm saying like we thought if we do the right thing, it would be a contract. You know, and like you said in the last guy said no more just tell us it's not the deal. Right. But that's it. You're not alone in the boat, obviously. You know, so not at all. No at all. Yeah, okay. Well, people are what January six? There you go, that that's what you're seeing that

I can't I can empathize with them. Because I'm just kidding. only speak from my perspective. It goes beyond empathy, is it? It's what's out there is is incredible. Yes, going on. This is a complete tinderbox instead of talking to me about who incited it, who incited it said Why were these people so excitable? That's the question that's not being asked or discussed. Yeah. And then then you get brought in if you do have a job, you're trying to maintain your job. And it starts with the

white men first. I mean this in this aspect of her your white man, your white man, and then it's just gonna spread to or you're a man, you're a man, or you're a heterosexual man. I see where this is going. Yeah, the re education is coming. But when a culture doesn't work for

people anymore, it dissolves. And this is what Dr. Amos Wilson says In this next clip, clip 37 looking at the question, what is culture hoarding and hunt said from life from their life experiences, a group develops a set of rules and procedures for meeting their needs. The set of rules and procedures together with a supporting set of ideas and values is called a culture to a great extent your co culture involves a set of rules, and a procedure for

meeting needs. And this is thing we have to keep in mind. You don't have a code to just have a culture. And you don't claim a culture. Just because it's a culture just because it's African. The ultimate thing that culture must do is problems. That's why people evolve a culture. That's where culture comes into existence.

As a way of solving problems and meeting needs, that's why, at a certain point, when a culture no longer meets the need of a people or solves the problem confronting a people, that culture must be transformed. That's right. And what will it be transformed into? socialism, communism, some other isms? Because you're looking at well, capitalism network. What do you want me be insane? I mean, that's that's the thing about keep trying the same thing

and get results. So the kids is like, Dad, oh, no, look, look at dad. He's out of work. You know, I mean, like, he can't even provide for us. You think I'm buying the capital? I'm not saying for me. I mean, because like I said, I mean, I see the bigger picture of Marxism and capitalism. Now it's even worse than that. What I get from from the Zoomers, is, yeah, you you may be well off, but look at us. It sucks for us. So that's your fault. So it has to change.

That's what it is. Yep, that's exactly what it is. And a pit pit pit is generational. generational war, very easy to do. But we're gonna get to that at a later date. But while we're talking about the, the gender war, because what you have to do is pit the man against the woman. And right now there's this war going on. And I've been

reporting on this gender war for a while now. Especially I can only speak in the black community that black women supposedly don't think black men have qualities to be husbands and black men don't think black women have the quality to be wives. And it ends up and what you know, that's not helpful for our for our continuing on on the lineage. Um, but it's so. So I've

got avadi Bob Bochum. He's gonna speak on Cultural Marxism and he's a pastor, by the way, enter the cultural Marxist with a couple of goals, number one, to explain why the revolution didn't occur, as Marx thought it would Marx died in 1888, by the way, so now, we get into the late 1800s, early 1900s. We get into World War One. And there are a couple of players that you need to know if

you're going to understand Cultural Marxism. One is a guy by the name of Antonio Gramsci, Gramsci was an Italian Marxist. Another one is not an individual, but a group of individuals known as the Frankfurt School. Two ideas, one Gramsci his idea of cultural hegemony, listen to the way one sociologist puts it, cultural hegemony refers to domination or rule maintained through

ideological or cultural means. It is usually achieved through social institutions, which allow those in power to strongly influence the values, norms, ideas, expectations, worldview, and behavior of the rest of society, cultural hegemony. That's the power of the Frankfurt School. We talked about that, didn't we? And who, who's holds the power in today's society? The women? Yeah. Because they can decide, uh, yeah, I don't want you here anymore. I don't want to be with you anymore.

And you have these television shows. And when I say television show, the morning shows pumping all these crazy ideas. That's counter. And when I say crazy, I mean, there's counter to what we've done for 1000 years as men and women in our relationship with each other. It's this new school of thinking, and the result of it is that is hitting mainstream, and it's called a strike between

the male and female, it's not black anymore. And I have this couple of clips of feminists, feminists talking to men's rights groups. And as we just run through these two next two clips, and you can chime in how you how you want to chime in, but I just want to let you know what's happening on the ground right now. What do you need a whole men's rights activism

movement for I'm sincerely confused? Well, I mean, I will advocate for positive masculinity and what men should represent and healthy outlets for men like I still think the Boy Scouts should be exclusively the Boy Scouts. For example, one of those things where I would like to think that we could get some common ground is when it comes to the clear biases that are in the court system, especially in the marriage and family court system.

And, and right, there is what I would advocate for when it comes to men's rights. The things that stand Valley like that I'm hearing from y'all that are like valid to me, come from a place of like, I am treated like unfairly by the system, versus a lot of things women are saying it's also America and the system as well. But a lot of it is like harm from men. Okay, I think some of the things that you guys are touching on such as the court system and gender roles are a subject of patriarchy, and

that is part of what women are trying to dismantle. Is those traditional gender. Are there any feminist organizations that have done anything, for example, to challenge bias against men and fathers? Yeah, of course. Absolutely. Can you please give me like a list of feminist advocacy organizations that have engaged in any meaningful advocacy to address those

issues? Because there are actually none. Okay, I know that you came with your little research, or whatever I do with a list of like feminist organizations, but I know actively that there are women's organizations that are trying to dismantle those interests. Just one name just one again, come with a list. There are no such organization. I mean, just how she'd communicating to him my dude. Well, that's where you throw facts out the window. It's like

you have to kowtow to my, my feelings. facts don't mean anything all scientific method and your linear racist, irrationally. No, no, no, no, no, you're not you're not addressing my feelings. Which to me, my feelings, Trump your, your your facts. And what this does is it makes communication impossible. Between the two sides, this is what we learned with the new york times with the the veteran reporter who had to resign was

because of his use of the N word. And even though he was doing it in a, in the context of journalism, the written word. It the statement literally was that it doesn't matter what your intent was, it is how it made the recipient feel, which is just the end. That's the family court system is based off of feelings. Yep. It's just not realized right now. Your wife or my wife could pick up the phone and like, you know what? No, you're gassy. I do actually get him out of here. Yeah.

True. So what? So just think of living under those conditions? Yeah. And now what the young men are saying, Well, you know, what? Screw marriage. Yeah, I'm out. If that's the condition, screw it. Yeah. And if your goal is the population, which it is, and that's your, you're on the way, you're heading down the right road, and that's what this list

is all about. It's really about the population always. That's always what they want at the end, whether it's climate change, or any it's always less people. Well, yeah, what they call the useless eaters. Yeah, it's good. Prince Charles calls the useless eaters to be specific. Yeah, that's what they look at. It's just like, oh, what do you contribute to society? I'm gonna miss the second clip of this is men's rights versus feminism. rights. I think there has been significant progress over the

last decade or so especially in the legal field. But I think there are still significant disparities that need to be addressed, such as poor health conditions, bias against men in the criminal justice system bias against men in family courts, and bias against men in the educational system, especially in colleges. Men and women should be our eyes.

It strikes me like the way you phrase this, you almost want men to say certain things that you want them to say, as opposed to maybe actually listening that what they're saying, but certainly, just kind of like men being analyzed mental intelligent men, etc. I'm completely okay with that. But I'm not going to repeat like feminists talking points to other men. We all believe different things. We may be under the label of men's rights activists, but for example, I'm

probably the most traditionalist person here. I think we should be allies. But maybe us being allies in a patriarchy wouldn't be so bad. You know, us going back to the past wouldn't be so bad. It would probably be a lot happier if we were you know, getting there. Saying married and having kids going to church and all that. But heads were exploding after that, of course. So, this is where we get to material. Here we go. Here we go. All right, buckled in. Yes.

So everybody's cry for justice. Right. Justice We want justice. You know, everything is you know, it's not just you know, Justice in the court is held up by Justice. Yes. Well, Justice doesn't mean to some people what you think it means you're thinking our fair trial and there was the 14th amendment? I think there's 14 um, you know, your right to a fair trial and those things and not not No, no, no, no. Dang the justice that the people at the top are talking about?

What justice really means. Welcome to chasing Gods where we find meaning with symbols and myths. To judge with justice is believed to be one of the top virtues by philosophers, writers and artists of the ancient world. From ancient Egypt to Ancient Greece and Rome, Justice has been personified by a goddess who not only belongs to the highest ranks of gods, but who symbolism is even sought by them. You could imagine what justice must have meant to men. This goddess I'm talking about

is Lady Justice. You've probably seen her but may not have paid too much attention. She could be a statue, an emblem or figurine to represent justice in the legal system worldwide. She holds a scale a sword and at times she wears a blindfold. Yes. Lady the mother goddess aka the mother goddess. When they say no justice no peace that's what they're talking about. No woman in charge What? Yep, no piece. And guess what everybody got their all out of shape. When you had the the bathroom it put out

the front nice courthouse, state houses. But you got the mother goddess right in every courthouse? Yeah. Not in America. Not only in America. All over the world. Yeah. So now we got to go back to clergymen and we might need a trigger warning for this custom pastor Gino Jimmy Jimmy. Q in one show mo that's pretty crazy. Warning Warning trigger warning for women for women and become servant and become servants for

their say for their men. They also have counsel with men who knew they was being used and told me it was being used and told me a man could help themselves That's right. By this also know you're being us. I mean, he won't tell you. That's right. Especially when she tells you Yeah, I'm using a man and you don't care. Why should she care? That's right now in first estrus chapter four and verse 22. Isn't at all this scripture all this scripture? That's right. This is the condition that's right.

By this also, he must know some women around us a memory cost their mama did it. Yeah. And they had a good teacher. That's right. Influenced by their friends around us Americans uninfluenced by nobody, they just want to do it. Just want to do it. The atmosphere that came out of a sister do it. The other sister do it. The other sister do it. The mama dog the the grandma my great grandma, my great, great, great grandma. It's a family affair is a family tradition.

We're do Am I right now, but this this, these problems that manifest itself in the world like in the flesh. This is this is some high level spiritual stuff that's going on. And that's why you heard Black Lives Matter doing what they did. Like I said, no justice, no peace. They talk about just because why would you believe in a court system that you said it that a new set of fire? Yeah. And objectifies you and controls you? What?

No, no, no, that's not the gist they're talking about. And this goes all the way back to Adam and his first wife, not you. This goes back to Adam, his first wife. Bye You aware of Adam in his first wife, Adam, Adam and his first wife? Yes. You know his first wife was? I guess not. You would think he right that's would be the logical answer, but apparently not 45 so Lilith is one of the most popular mythological women of the last couple 100 years we've seen her as a vampire demoness,

a seductress and even Satan's concubine. But in recent years Lilith has taken on a new role. She's become the dark feminist, the embodied, powerful, liberated, unapologetic women that we have come to revere. Truly, Lilith is a complicated layered figure. The most popular story of Lilith comes from a

medieval rabbinical text called the alphabet of Ben serraj. In this story, Lilith is the first wife of Adam, born at the same time and have the same earth but quickly, they realize this match is not meant to be the first thing on Adams mind is to lay with Lilith. Very literally, and he insists that he be the one on top, but Lilith will not have it. And she insists that if they do the deed, she will not lie below because she will not be

subordinate to him. She will not be of lesser status, Luna says we are equal to each other and as much as we were both created from the earth is this where little affair comes from? exactly where it comes from it. This is some Beyonce level stuff too. By the way, this whole via Beyonce is a representation of the mother goddess. All the pop stars are representations of the mother goddess, aka Lady Justice, aka Yes. Hi, is this from Egypt?

Oh, boy. Wow. Okay. So we've got the temples. We've got the history, Black History Museum, American African American History Museum upside down. t gyptian. thing. Right. We've got Lilith got Michelle Obama over brock obama. Yeah. Wow role that she plays. This is now how do you come? There's gotta be some we need some some hardcore magic of our own to fight back. logic or reason? That's why they want to dismantle it, right. What is that man it was that man is controlled by his emotions is

like a boat and it's in a raging sea or something like that. I think this statement is something similar to that. But basically, when you're controlled by your emotions, a man he's all over the place. Yeah, yeah. And to be honest with you, women don't like that. When a man is uncertain Oh, no, no, no, not at all. Wow. Well, this is why they want to. That's why they want to restore the masculine principle. That's the whole point. Well, this is Luckily,

men of all cultures and colors can join hands in this. Yeah. And it's not a religious thing. What I'm saying is, because when you operate in logic and reason, then you can understand the outcomes of what happened. It's like, okay, I expected this to happen. The scientific method. No, I can help that happened. Now. Let me repeat, you know, then you have you have improvements, that's technology.

All of this stuff they call technology now in science, going back to where we started in the last show, science is the new religion, but it's not science, right? Are you going to get rid of scientific method have science to what science are you talking about? some magical stuff. No CBOE effect. All of this stuff ties in together it does. Unless you go and wrap up with 46 you get them give me

nightmares. Man, after a while of arguing. Adam complains to God that the woman who made for him is malfunctioning, and God tells Lilith she has lost her husband or else she's going to be exiled from Eden and that would be pretty miserable. But

Willis doesn't care. And in fact, she flies away screeching the unknowable name of God that somehow she knows and after a while it's kind of lonely in Eden and God tries to get love back saying that, you know, if you if you don't come back, I'm gonna have to force you to be a demon as soon as devours our own children or charity. But well, it says Serbia because to her that fate is better than one of eternal

subordination. Now, to the modern mind. This is pretty frigging I'm in St. But there's something keep in mind about this text. This was not at all meant to be a feminist revision of biblical mythology. It was most likely written as satire, possibly even a commentary on the horribleness of women, as if saying, leave out evil Bob. But though most of us have come to know her through this medieval texts, or this medieval story, Lilith actually has

ancient roots born in Babylon and sumeria. The story of love is first seen 5000 years ago in the Epic of Gilgamesh, and even hinted at in text before that, originally, she was a handmaid of the goddess and Nana, the great sky Queen, and Lilith was somebody who appeared extremely sexually independent, extremely grounded in her body and her own autonomous power. Why just described every modern woman there? Yeah, I didn't say I didn't say that. I did. But I'm just saying

that now you understand. Now you understand and she's the console of who? The sky The Great Nana Ananya which is who are representation of Lady Justice? Which, of course, what? Sorel sisters, what do they operate in? Just justice? No, justice, no peace. Okay, that's gonna haunt me for a little bit. Oh, man. But you know what we need? We can't say this. We need allies that are women to call out this behavior? Because this is not a non

starter? Well, I think we can't i can't think we can say because that's, that's clearly part of what's necessary. But there's also I think a large group of women are probably also under attack who, believe it or not, may be more conservative often. Of course, I said the worst thing outside, and I always joke with people I talk to, and I say the second worst thing you can be other than a black man in America is a housewife. Yeah, house. Oh, they're so to me. They're so look.

That's the hardest friggin job in the world. I'm telling you. Now we come 360 you're talking about the keys and being at home? Oh, yeah. Right. No, one is running the house. Well, yeah, that is a that is a real? That's a real job. Yeah, you're talking about logistics and education in medical, healthcare and culinary arts and in science and economics by coupon in knowing what's coming in and going out. Yeah. But they demean him Wow, I'm a little speechless mo because I'm just like, wow, I

gotta think about this. And and again, I appreciate you because I'm always thinking what is what is all this information going to get me to at the end of the show? And that was wrapping it up with the little thing really hammers at home? And I can't say yeah, holy crap. And I also always immediately understand the last song of the show whenever we get to this part. Like I know I know why he chose this one. Okay. Moe, thank you so much, man. This was yet again a fantastic

journey. I'm not as as giddy and happy at the end of this one I'm more like holy crap, I got some stuff to think about. So I appreciate that too. If you know the planet attack you can counter it this is correct. That's what the positive No, no, no. Everybody out there. Don't be defeated. Because if you know the plan of attack, then is you can you can defeat it. You can come up with it. You know it really it is just prove prove prove what you show your work.

That's what you need to tell people show you work. What have you built with this method? What have y'all built? And and but now from this day forward, I will always be slightly triggered, but in a good way, because it will alert me when I hear no justice. No peace, no peace. I'll know exactly what's going on. And as I always say, pay attention to everything. And the truth reveal itself. It always comes true. You are so right, moe, thank you so much, my friend.

I appreciate it. Adam. See you next time. You got it. And we'll be talking to y'all real soon. Remember to support us at mo facts calm. And we'll see you next time for more facts with Adam Curry. You better watch it's gonna break your heart It is true. It's not hard to be snuck into a farm.