55: Trappers Delight

more facts with Adam Curry for December 7 2020. This is episode number 55. I'm Adam Curry in Austin, Texas. from somewhere in Northern Virginia. fresh new member of the 40 Club Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Mo. Mo man 40 a baby. Can't believe you made it. You made it. I did make it. And as I teach her on the hill, I'm not over yet. I'm teetering for this year, and

then I'll be over the hill. But I'm 14 I feel great. And yeah, give a nice celebration at home, you've family come over, hang out. Have this one, two people for one second. From the last for the 28th October instead of January 1 is like one big blur. Because I have my two daughters birthdays they have Halloween Thanksgiving. My dad's birthday was the 27th of November. Their mom's the fourth? My brother's the ninth. So it's just been one big for Nope, no pun intended

celebration. Um, and, man, we turned up my wife and the kids you know, thinking about that you maybe you should just gather the whole family and go on a cruise for six weeks and do it all in one go just party every night. We might just do that from now on because it's it's a wild time. I mean, it's a great time. But it is a wild time. And around here in the brown effects house. So very good. I'm happy

you're I'm happy you're happy and good health. And man, I'm glad that we're back on the microphones because I've been jonesing to talk to you. It's been it's been just a tad over two weeks. So I'm excited. It's in August a highlight I've been chosen to and this topic that we're going to cover so we jump right in it because I have a pretty cool bag. The Wheel of topics, I've noticed in the parlance that the

term bag can be used very universally. So we have we got the bag with the money we got the bag with the money when you're getting caught. And you got the bag which is I don't know mo facts dr kit of goodies. So bag is pretty darn universal. And then it's another one where when you're in your bag, that's like when you're in the zone or you're doing you're doing your thing. So let's get in our bag here Ladies and gentlemen, find out what the topics going to be for. Adam Curry Episode Number

55 nobody knows that we'll have topics will close. Except mo Of course he knows exactly what is the topic for Episode 55 is how do you know when a mindset has become a mind trap? Ooh, lots of mind stuff in their mind. So mind trap mind control. I'm all over it. So you might need to get your passport for this Adam cuz I'm gonna take you on a trip to the trap. All right. I'm good to go. So there was a cultural event that happened maybe two three weeks ago, probably unbeknownst to

you. But it was on Instagram. And it was the verses battle between Young Jeezy and gucci mane. I heard of it. Of course. I had no idea where to look for it. Twitter did not bleed it into my feed. So I completely missed it. It was to 2 million live viewers almost to me. I think it did clip 2 million live viewers viewers on Instagram. Wow. And then you got to factor in all the other subsidiary streams, people streaming it. Is

this a is this an annual event? This comes back every year? No, actually, this is one of the great things that came out of the whole COVID situation. So let me let me explain. Let me explain versus first so we can get an SVR. Right versus That's correct. Yeah, it was put together by Swiss beats and Timberland. What they do is they take two celebrities, they're somewhat equally matched or have somewhat similar catalogs. Mm hmm. I think it's 20 songs per p

apiece are played. And, you know, it's kind of like a friendly battle. Yeah, but this one was a different. This one had a totally different concept. It wasn't like a like A rap battle like the old kiss FM Los Angeles days if we throw down against each other, or is it something else? You say that again? You were breaking the ball. I said, is it? Is it like one of the old rap battles from the late 80s? You know, kiss FM, Los Angeles, or is this something else? Is this just

pure? DJing? No, no, no, no, no, you actually have the two celebrities there. Yeah. For instance, they had I think, Patti LaBelle, and, um, Gladys Knight, I think those Oh, wow. Okay, so that's, that's a match and where and what do they do then? So they play one song from Patty. One song from Gladys or I mean, you had Timberland. I forget all the ones that we had the one the biggest one I paid attention to, was the reserve versus DJ Premier. Right, right.

I mean, the production. What do you do? How do you win? The people decide? And how did they decide? I'm just drilling down? No. No, no, I'm assuming that you This is why we do this. Okay, it's like American Idol. Where you got a text and call vote. Are people yelling screaming on the floor? No. is strictly social media fault. There's no score kept. Everybody has their own scorecard. Okay, I get it. Oh, this that's even better that way. I like it. It is because it creates a bunch of

who actually won. And it's people score. It's like Boston. I mean, the best was like now it's like, Well, how about it could be boxing or politics. It's the same thing. Everyone? Yeah. Depends on how you're counting. Yeah. Exactly. Was this done in the pilot politician voting way? Or was this done in the boxing way? Yeah, it was done in the boxing way where everybody has their own card. Got it? And you might score it. Let's see. 11. Nine, or, you know, because it's like I said,

me, excuse me? Uh, yeah. 11 cuz twin is 20 songs. And they run them down one back one against the other. And this is amazing that you never heard me cuz this is big. This was like the biggest a celebrity event. quote unquote, flat. You can see, are you confused with Adam from 20 years ago? Who was supposed to show up and see that? No. lead over it? No, not at all. Man. It did not you're gonna be sir. Once we get into, you will see how big it was. So I don't

want her. So to give background, we have Young Jeezy and Gucci Mane they are to trap rappers. And some may say they are the king of trap. And this is what this was gonna decide. But they also have a bad blood between them. So that's what we're going to explore. And then also we'll explore the the political implications and the social implications and all of that. So I didn't think I don't think anybody covered it from the point that we're gonna cover it from. So

but I guess we need to warn people. This is a popcorn wrap. So I guess we need to put one people at this point, some viewers may find the following disturbing. Viewer discretion is advised. So we always try to keep it family friendly. We get a lot of comments. I certainly try hard. I know you mo you barely cuss. But this may be a little, a little more on the edge because of the content because of the clips. And that's just a fair warning for those who want maybe want to screen it before you let

your kids hear. Correct. But I will say this is very pertinent to a lot of people's kids because as you know they're watching trap rap is the most widespread form or genre rap right now. So it's not like your kids are not exposed to this type of music. So we're actually this warning is for you parents as a trigger warning when you find out what your kids are actually doing when you're not looking. Got it. Correct. So what we want to do

is get into a little background about the trap itself. And this is Atlanta 1.1 is Thomas Welcome to Atlanta, the city to visit to hate and drug trafficking hub for the East Coast and the homeless. Trap Music. I cried when Robert rabbit used to be able to smell the dope you should be able to see the fucking dough cookie. You should be able to visualize and see that shit.

Lana's history is intimately tied up in transportation. When it started, it was at the end of all the railroad lines in America, then Sherman came in burnt those onto the ground and they just kind of replaced them with highways, and plop the biggest airport in the world on top of everything. So that's basically where every road in the East Coast comes through, which makes it an ideal spot for drunk travel. Ah, hey, off the bat, we're getting to the good stuff.

So we're back in Atlanta. Yes, exactly. Ah, that was Curtis snow. And he's famous for making, I think the Netflix movie, snow on the bluff. And if anybody wants a visual representation or a account of what the trap is, you may want to check that movie out. And of course, it's the adult content. So just be aware. But as he said, it's very chaotic. The music is it's very gritty. And it was birthed out of the trap house. So the trap house is similar to what they used to call the crack house.

And the trap itself is basically the drug drug subculture, and Atlanta and other southern states. And I want to juxtapose that because I'm from the south. So we didn't really have the project building is like in New York and those things, you have more neighborhoods and houses and that kind of thing. So that's what became the trap in the drug trade. And that's those city blocks or those those streets. They were just it was all drug trafficking. So that whole area was the drug track

for everything that was going on there. Yeah, and it's not the whole neighborhood you might have one or two trap houses in the neighborhood but we're gonna get a further explanation but I want to set people up to see where we're going here and that's like they said at LACMA is one of the main hoes because you have all the major interstates right? Run through Atlanta, right? So that and then you have the you know, the largest airport airport in

Atlanta. So all of these things play into creating the trap. So what would you give a little background on the environment and how it birthed the music and then how the music birth these to an artist, and then their conflict is going to be a microcosm of what goes on in these communities. Okay, so good. This is decoding the quote unquote, urban CNN. Alright, so I guess we can get into Atlanta. 2.1 man's Give me one point to keep hearing about the trap. What is the trap?

Is what it is? trap. So you can count up in one way in one way? Yeah. Yeah. That would be a trap going. be just what it is. Yeah, it's a trap. It's just a trap. That's why it's trap music. Exactly. Studio. Is he going to get his hand in hand? You can't have one without the other candidates. Without the studio without the dope. The dope rap. Now know what happened when the guys from Detroit came in like BMF. Do you remember? parties everywhere? No, everybody had

everybody. See what the move was with the money. And with the money all you had to do was go gold. And he had you know, put someone in. Okay, I have a question. Because I'm a big fan of associating music with drugs. And so you know, 6070s marijuana, we had disco cocaine. We certainly have a rave culture with MDMA, Molly, ecstasy, etc. In tramp watch the dope of choice. Well, the dope

that sale is crack and pills. Do you have the drug to use and the trap became prescription drugs Danny bars, lane which is the cough medicine. They pour with soda read of course. in Mali, Mali is a large part of trap of trap as well. So I'm please ask a lot of questions because I don't want to make any assumptions because I don't I want to I want you to bounce off from me. Right? Well that way the audience is not are the producers are not lost. I don't make any assumptions. Sure.

So just so you said something interesting. The drug to sell versus the drug that's used so is that to markets people are coming in to buy and they're just coming into the the trap neighborhoods the trap house to buy and they're going away? That's different than not selling to the to themselves. Yeah, me. Yeah, of course. But then you have, you won't have a trapper using crack. I mean, they, they will. I mean, it's the thing called a table habit. So, when, when you're tasting to make sure

the potency is there, you may pick up a habit. Mm hmm. But it's not like they're actively smoking crack. Okay, so they have a different appetite than what they sell. Okay, so now I'll ask I'll ask to you simply just because just for my own edification, what is the drug of choice when producing the music? clean, and weed? Lean and weed and lean was the the cough medicine you mix with soda? The purple and that's what you heard purple? Mm hmm.

This is when I saw. Okay, a little. A little sidebar here. Sure. So lean lean came out of Texas. Way back. We're talking about UGK, early 90s. But it didn't really explode into what it is now. Um, until maybe the early 2000s. Sorry. UGK. Yeah, underground kings. Thank you. That's a bunbee and the late Pepsi, the late great Pepsi Lin put some respect on Pepsi name. Um, so these are the godfathers of Trap Music named Scarface from ghetto boys.

They're the godfathers of trap music but it wasn't trapped in. But the see kebab is very reasonable. And the down south or artists look to other down south artists for influences. God, they don't really mess with New York artists like they're so okay. And that's why I say UGK and Scarface loop to some to some extent from to LA crew. Those are the godfathers of trap Muse Oh, let me not forget three six mafia. You see what's good.

I want to get on with mafiosi interesting is that and and I say this, because the, the whole rave culture, and you know, DJs, making millions of dollars a year is interesting. Because the DJs as far as the ones I know, are clean as a whistle. They're nerds, they're, you know, they used to study mathematics and crap like that.

So they make this music, as far as I know, completely sober. But it's consumed it often in large settings, raves, arenas, etc. and ecstasy and MDMA and Molly. They're really designed for that kind of music. So it's interesting when you have perhaps a different drug being consumed while producing it, versus the people who are listening. But is that also leaning weed for people who are just in who are enjoying trap house trap music? Yes, yes. It is. I mean, like I said, I gotta

try some of this lien then. I mean, I know for sure because I'm experimental mode. I'll do something. And Okay. Well, for one they took it took the the purple off the I think it was activists. Um, it was the purple when they took it off the market due to Justin Bieber. So when he started, he got to that height of celebrity. Uh huh. And so they pulled it off the market. And I think it was activist if I'm not mistaken. But anyways, basically

cops start recoding in little ways known for you. This is when you saw the Styrofoam cups. cups. Yeah, okay. Yes. These things you probably seen them pop up, but you didn't understand what was. Now Trayvon Martin case was surrounded around lean real and that's why he has iced tea and the Skittles. That thing? Yeah, that mean that popped up? Because that's what they do. They pour it pour up with yourself. You put the I never I've never used lean. So this is third party.

You're reliably informed. Yes. Right. So basically, you have ice you have your cough syrup. You pour up with some soda sprite is usually the top choice soda and us put a candy in the bottom of it to make it sweet so that's what that was all about holy crap yeah that's why I want to do this show cuz this is why in wheat excuse me lean got so widespread all across Africa bleen epidemic and the power of hip hop Yes Wait Yes.

This show you the power of hip hop as a vehicle to take a message globally and this is part of the reason why I want to do this episode and do this show and I have to do it with care. I just don't want to talk about the the battle and we're not going to talk about the battle very much it's just like pre post battle and the implication so yes, that's that's where ln popped up it is there. Yes. Is or is another Yeah. Okay. Cool. I put in this is drank I think any other names

purple was the big like, that was the most popular one. And you couldn't see I'm I'm a little after that when trap hit. I was maybe early to mid 20s. So I was still consuming the music. But I had already my tastes had been defined. So track wasn't really my thing. Um, but when you're listening to mixtapes, all you started seeing on mixtape websites is purple, purple, purple, everything is interesting. while of course cough syrup is a is an opioid Yeah, this it can be addictive. It's no doubt.

And cough syrup is not new. Because even though I mentioned I mentioned before today, rose up in the 90s. In the 70s. They were drinking it because my dad would tell me about it and it had a different name to it. I'm trying to think the main he used to refer to it. He was like, Oh, no, we were doing that back in the 70s. Yeah, I think they put some ink off certain to make you sick now if you drink too much. Yeah, well, they also made it harder

to buy. And I want to show you another thing. This isn't just me my perception. I have no proof to make the statement. But I noticed NyQuil came out with a product. That was not cough, sir. That was called. Sleepy girl. Yeah, what color was Adam purple. Thank you. Wow. I remember. I remember my daughter saying oh, I want some is quill. Like what? She's Oh, yeah, she was. Yeah. She said, Give me some give me some z quilon solo cups dad. I'm like, okay, whatever. I'm just kidding.

But that's but this is really interesting, because this is an epidemic that is not spoken of at all. Everyone's talking about weed and heroin. And this is, I mean, I thought this was honestly, the cough syrup thing. Honestly, I'm always honest with you. The cough syrup thing, in my mind was like a, and I'll just use the terms. Okay, white trash, cooking it to make a really poor man's white trash meth. That is my that's the only real thing I associate cough syrup with in an

in an abusive way. Yeah, that was I forgot what it's called. But they put it behind the counter and you can only buy like two boxes at a time. Exactly. No, this is actual prescription and the other thing is, it was prescription. You had to have a prescription to get to it. Got it. Um, but obviously, I mean it made it to the streets in large quantities and nobody asked any questions about it so that lets you know how these farmers some pharmaceutical companies really get down. Oh

you're gonna say something? No, no, no, no, that was just me going. In the other thing I've learned enough for today. I don't need to know any more 24 minutes a show. Perfect. All right, so let's not be late with the lane point. But that that's that was a good question about the drug of choice. I guess we're getting right into a 2.3. And what better guide to take us through Atlanta's underworld and the devil. Double.

Seriously though, the double have spent the last decade working with rappers from some of the city's seamless neighborhoods and documenting life in the traps that gave Atlanta scene and that scene. His name.

is pink city pink city is going up with pink city was on how your street edge wouldn't own Auburn and that was like the last of the Mohicans for like a really rural rolling is Atlanta trout like pulled other shows like fucking zombie movie no wait a minute he did discussing certain trap houses just areas in Atlanta that would that would traps I mean that were real trap so I played that clip just to show you that there's levels to it the rappers that you see that actually make

trap music a lot of them don't even go to the real trap sure of course they don't they don't have good passes. Passes now that's not that's the real thing. And that means but let me explain what I mean.

Go for 100 passes basically for like artists. So when artists come to town doing shows because when you do shows you're not doing the big arenas you're doing clubs and those kind of things calls have to be made could taxes have to be paid to get your hood pass so you don't get to see you don't get shot?

Well so you don't get a cost it and your taxes are collected by force got it and what kind of tax Could I expect for who would pass that would be negotiated by the size of star like I said like I said they had they had what I'm thinking that term they use but basically you had to make calls before arranging visits to that town while everybody know hey it's just like the mob it is well of course it is. Yeah, let me see drugs payoffs sounds like organized crime Yeah, and and in that previous

clip I think at 1.2 BMF a black mafia family was mentioned which is the the crew of all crews in popular culture but we'll we'll get to them later on in the show. I guess the question I have is a trap house now. This is where people also so I mean with a trap House have 10 people 100 people I mean how big are these are these mansions? Are these rundown slums? Just give me a Okay, picture. Okay, so what you have normally is, you know, the smaller houses and

low income communities. And you don't have that many people. And I can say this own good account? Because I mean, let me say I could say this. I had a very, very, very, very close family member that had a trap house. Okay, and usually what goes on in there is a lot of NBA touquet, where at the time it was NBA Live, when I was frequenting will displace a lot of weed smoke, um, and you do your transactions out of the house, right? And you do the processing? But then you have a

a does the house. Does the house take a piece of the transaction? No, the house is ran by the lover whoever's transacting got it. Right. And then you have several different trap house,

one guy might have several different trap houses. And the reason why I say this, even though I grew up in a middle class, lower middle class, pride above lower middle class, my mom, my dad was a teacher, my mom and social workers today make a lot of money, but they made enough not for us to have to live and you know, urban hoods, quote unquote pips, good.

But so but with family and those kind of things, you would go to neighborhoods and be like, Oh, that's a trap house not in Atlanta, there was a specific type of trap house called a bandeau and abandoned house was short for abandoned. So they would go in to abandoned house. Hook up power water, you know, turn the water back on, with it with the right with the key to the city with the college and get things poppin so the the my version of this, and then

when I was young, is someone would have weed. And then we'd go to that someone's house whose parents weren't there and it could easily be 10 guys, that never girls 10 guys, we sit around we smoke weed, and then we watch the faces of death video or maybe Diana Ross in the round. I don't know why just remember that for some reason. And you know, we see like, oh man, and this is teenager stuff. But what it wasn't organized,

but the guy who who had it would also sell to you. So it was I guess a version of that. And they're really professional because they level the trap houses. I mean, everybody calls it a trap. If you are a low level dealer you're not going to have your house set up in a way that a real trap star right we'll have it set up. And that's what the bars on the window windows and impenetrable Yeah. safe room in the back. He's got the ladies

processing the cash. Um, this is my movie. Right this right that's that's but that's the image of you know, this payment. And it was painted by movies cuz sure the cooking up with women with no clothes on that. I'm thinking of. Exactly. Yeah, one of those rooms. Because I plan to and then you know, you have. Okay, so you have new jack city ministers Sati showed you how to cook crap. Yeah, those are not movie videos, basically. Exactly. So just just to lay it out what's going on here and

we're heading somewhere. But let's go. Let's go ahead and get into 2.4 crackheads and Shin Shin another Street. Like it was like an extended stay motel. Maybe 17 or 18 rooms. And only motherfuckers or new adult boys are smokers. So like, when you went in there was like, that was a real trap. Like your enemy. They're not openly gay unless they know who you are. Know what you're doing know what you want. Like around the world, like people are using the word trap. They don't even know what the

fuck that means. You just get trapped in it. I don't know. How do you? Is this a white girl? Yes. It's an Atlanta concept because Atlanta was developed around railroads there's a lot of one ways and dead ends. So when you pull into a one way or a dead end, you go down to the end of the street where there's some dope it. That's a fucking shrub. Because if they draw down on the street, your fucking stone thinks that he may have been paved under to make way for

lofts and brunch spots. That Atlanta has no shortage of other traps resisting the crush of gentrification. No, okay. Got it. So, so the, the layout of the city, and how the neighborhoods are configured one way is those kind of things. Maybe we are, yeah, made it perfect for this. Right. And there was one hotel in Derm. While I'm, while I'm originally from it was right behind the police department, and it was

one of those kind of hotels where you pay by the day. And you know, it's kind of that CD thing. Yeah, but it was allowed to happen. And it's not the city of Durham. I can't I can't remember the name of now, but people from Durban know what I'm talking about. Um, and it was allowed to be. And it was, I mean, cuz like, you can set up a trap anywhere, to be honest, but I don't want to get go down that rabbit hole. But now we have to get into poo and vinit trap

music. And there's a lot of argument about this. Let's play the clip and then we're coming back out to see who actually invented trap music in 2017. rap and r&b surpass rock as the biggest genre in the US based on album sales and string. And trap is arguably raps most popular sub genre. That means millions of Americans of every shape right now are listening to music that invokes the cultural legacy and ongoing struggles of

segregation, structural racism, and urban violence. When you think about somebody like a TI, right, he talks about the consequences of what it means to be a trapper, and he uses the music to kind of work through that this is really interesting to me how everything is all strapped everything and I'm like, I mean I dealt with my students so it's like you have

trap yoga trap and paying trap karaoke trap water. And I'm like, I mean, I am a trap purist, I really need to get a shirt it's just basically me sitting on the porch so to speak and being like shaking my fist like no this isn't this but I'm slowly but surely coming to you know grips with the fact that trap music is now trap aesthetics because it does have that kind of distinct print that can be used to update or remix

other genres that are already in place. But I also wish that folks would also you know, basically give receipts and credit where credit is due just just didn't come out of nowhere attracting just come out of nowhere. You know what I'm saying? Man, I got to open a trap karaoke bar in Austin that's just perfect because it's been monetized so much they have a sheet a trap water trap yoga, right when I hear commercials now have trapped me Yeah, when I hear someone say the systemic

racism I'm thinking okay, traps been hijacked. Probably. Yes. very very long time ago and it started with these two gentlemen in the verses. But so let's just have a quick conversation on who started trap. So some people say to started trap because he had an album his I think his first album is called trap music. But who brings to mind the first Trapper I remember seeing was cool breeze. He used to be an outcast. And he kind of set that

model for you know, like the the Atlanta trap trap. Trap boy. So yeah, so I mean, he is who and then people some people say well Gucci man started and other people say well, Jeezy made it popular and this is where the crooks comes in of who birth trap music. Also, I want to make one more point and then we can move on. It always troubled me that it was called a trap. I'm like, Hello, is the Ernie loss. Don't use it. It's called a trap. Right? Your plan with your life one way and one way out. Like

the master or Dan, or dead end. Right. So I've never that's why I was it's weird because me coming up. I was Listen, I listen to podcasts and Goodie Mob. And there were from Atlanta. And they looked at the trap as a negative. So when especially the outcome, it wasn't the outcast wasn't their whole vibe to be positive and upbeat. Yeah, but what about but while being realistic? I mean, they didn't sugarcoat it, right?

They were like, yeah, we know, these are the things but it's, um, we got to do better, like when they're famous songs would get up, get out and do something, right. So there were always positive. So when I started to hear this, quote, unquote, Trap Music come in. I had mixed feelings about it, because I'm like, I grew up thinking this. But at some point, crack was made cool. And I think that really gained popularity with JC there was a lot of drug dealer rappers before him. I'm not saying that.

But he laid down the blueprint of sell drugs. get famous. Take that money. Yeah, sell drugs, take that money, get famous. Yeah, flip it and flip it into your music career. Right? And that's how you get out. I mean, it's like get in get your money started label, and then you can be successful. And that's what Curtis snover referring to, you know, the money like drug dealers with fun rappers. They were looking for rappers to fun like, Oh, you can rap. You can claim our set. You can claim our

crew we put our chain on you and a chain. It's very important. The chains are people think these chains are just jury. No, no, no, no. They are very important. You're going to hear why later on. But that's kind of how this whole thing started. happening because you had a Goswell bunch of money that will look in the laundry. So it's like, let's start a label who who was really that? You know, I understand the content I understand the lyrics but really the beats really the music which is very

distinct. And who would you say was the beat master that started that intro you had to you had the ADA way come from Miami sub base. And then you had the you know, the high hats the triple high hats. who started it? Well, you got DJ temp, he gave us the TR flavor trap music. But zaytoven I want to say it's a book. You got to get me killed because I don't want to

give credit on your credit. That's okay. Well, yeah, it was it was several different producers that that had artists they work with that they've stylized their type of trap. Okay, but I will say zeto there Okay, let me explain this. The trap music that we hear popular now was birth by zaytoven and gucci mane. There was a another trap like shorty red and Gz which was probably the most commercial successful trap

music. There is. But it didn't take hold like Gucci man's trap means and they all this is important, but I know people like why are we talked about ranking? Is it too early for me to talk about crunk because that's that I do know. Well, crunk crunk was pre dated. Trap. Ah, okay, which That was Littlejohn in a Star Wars. That energy that was Crump. So but when the lead comes in that doesn't really mix with, with, with the crusher, that's when you get the

slow down with the double high hats. Really chopping screw plays a lot into this too. That's from Houston, where they would slow the music down really slow. And this is like the effect of drugs having on the music and the taste. But yeah, so Okay, I don't want to get caught too much into the weeds of it. But that's the history of trap. Now I want to Oh, well, we got one more clip, and we're gonna explain how historical

decisions actually created the geographical trap in Atlanta. We talked to Kevin Cruz today about his article and his book white flight to see if we could find any solutions to Atlanta traffic problem. The rise of the modern expressway movement, the interstate highways in the 50s. Really obviously a postwar transformation that hit American cities at the same time. A lot

of them are wrestling with issues of segregation. Cruz says there are two ways constructing highways played into segregation making the highway so that it destroys poor black neighborhoods, or make a highway that separates them from white neighborhoods. Local officials have a say in where these roads get placed. And it shouldn't be a surprise that as they're thinking about where they're going to drop highways and destroy neighborhoods, they invariably single out what they

see is the worst neighborhoods in their communities. And these are overwhelmingly poor communities. And most places these are overwhelmingly African American or in some places

Latino neighborhoods. This split is most noticeable along I 20. A report from the Georgia historical society says that while deciding the route of i 20, the Atlanta bureau of planning said it would be the boundary between white and African American communities with that logic in mind, is how you get the kind of the contorted and in weird ways in which the highways in Atlanta and other

cities take place. It only makes sense if you're thinking about, well, just from a pure traffic facilitation standpoint, we would put them this way. Yeah, Austin, Texas is a great example of that. Where we have I 35. Sorry, no good. Yeah, we have I 35 going right through town and east side is always been poor pips black, that's where I live. And to be honest, we have a bit of a trap problem here. But not so not so much trap houses. But we got a lot of people who got high powered stereos in their

cars. And they like to congregate at night. And the bass rattles my windows. That's the traps the trap. That's that's the eight. Oh, wait, wait, that's that's the drum machine. That is the not only the drum machine, but that bass. Mm hmm. That is the signature sound that and a triplet. Haha, that is a signature sound of trap music that thump. Yeah, and you got to have big speakers in your car to play the thump. Yeah, and that's a southern thing, because in New York, he

didn't have cars. So you will listen to your music in like, on boombox, our, our headphones. down south, we we had cars because you had to have a car to get around. You have public transportation, right? Like you do in the north. So the first thing you did was get a speaker's I don't care how raggedy car, the car or some speakers, right? You had to get some speakers and get across loud. Yeah, you got to have the app. But you know, the crossover, the tape deck, CD deck. Just as an aside, there

were I forget, it was in the Netherlands. And it was at the height of my television career there. And somehow I was paid to do an appearance at a car show that was specifically for audio. Now I'm talking. I'm talking 80s when it was just starting with the crazy ass amps. And I remember, there was a contest and some for some reason I participated sit in the car for I think it was two minutes at full blast. And I think it actually did something. I mean,

here I am with hearing problems. But it was unbeliev it wasn't so much the sound. It was just how how your body vibrated. And that's part of the sense that cars, and that's so for some people that's desired. My brother, he had a Cherokee, and he had like 215 and it was like 1000 watt amp. And it would it would basically take your breath. Yeah, it was hit so hard. Oh, yeah. So that mean that is a real stupid shit we do as humans, I'm never never cease to be amazed. Well, it's a

mating ritual. Sure. That's exactly what it is. You can pull up your attention. Yep. attention seeking mating. That's a mating ritual. Irrespective of color. Yeah. So I just want I mean, all these things have subtext. to it, it's just not I mean a lot of things. A lot of times people just look at the surface and make judgment and don't really want to get into the weeds but that's what we're

gonna do. That's what we do here. We were on a week to week basis, show the show basis but specifically this show because there's a lot to get to it. So Atlanta was the mecca of the South. We you lived in the south, you didn't say I'm gonna go to New York and make it. It was I want to go to Atlanta what is the Atlanta doing? That was the sister city to like Charlotte, North Carolina and Garmin. The same things you saw there how they said the highways destroyed Atlanta, dirt freeway destroyed

hayti in turn, it ran right down the middle. So in these next set of clips, we have where the Atlanta and trap effect is spilling over into small towns. You may remember the story about four Lagrange teenagers who say they were approached by a gang member those teenagers said no and in turn us the CEO the housing authority for jobs

several times and they never gave up. Please say gangs are no longer just an inner city problem and it exists in small towns to the Lagrange gang unit took Fox wives Nathalie pozo through some of the violence street gang areas, and athlete detectives tell you that gangs have always had a place in small towns in a tom the gang unit with Lagrange to tell me the structure for gangs in the city have always existed. A few guys getting together and vowing to protect their neighborhood.

Investigators say when known gangs like the Bloods or the Crips and larger cities like New York and Chicago find out about the structure. They offer their support becoming more widespread. It's a place where children play an innocent scene. It's also a place where innocence is lost. Police a places like these basketball courts can be a recruiting base for violent street gangs. I will play a basketball and

soccer sound a lot to her house. I do want to be in a gang. 14 year old demand and D on wood art and 13 year old Jaylen Parr Hammond, Dileep Smith say they were approached by a gang member at the Lagrange housing authorities basketball court. Yeah. So, so these gangs Well, it started from the north, right when you had all this supply. And, and it was a saturated market. It's like,

where do we go? So it was a term called going down south in New York and other places, they will go to DC and DC and New York has a rival that mean that still got a robbery that goes on to this day. Even in Derm we don't really care for New York people. Because the people you came encounter with from New York not all but some wanted to come in, set up shop. Yeah, take over, like a franchise. It was a well wasn't me take over business. It

was a drug franchise, right? I mean, have your mom and pops thing going? It's like I want to bring a McDonald's name because I have this all just inventory so I can drop the price down. It's a good one. No, just a thought that crossed my head is that the somewhere along the lines in this episode, people are going to realize how important the corrupt banking system is. This is exactly why you be UBS. HSBC, the bank existed, they were laundering billions of

dollars. Billions. I've always said the 2008. The great what the Great Recession. If we didn't have a drug trade, you and I would not be talking right now. This country, most countries need drugs to run weeks, the system doesn't work without it. And we're talking about, you know, the on the street level, but this goes way up the chain. And it's funny that you say that because that was the height of trap music. Or that was when Trap Music took his place as the King of rap. right in that very same

time. And I was just like, I will love to go back and explore. You know that the correlation between those two happening. There's so much so much more happening than we probably realized that would be a great documentary and probably a life a lifetime work to to figure that out. Yeah. So you can see here now they're recruiting. I mean, just like when a McDonald's or Starbucks comes to town, you have to have employees. So we are now Yep, go to the basketball court and a housing

project. Yeah. And that was the ideal place to recruit. We can hear more with small town too. And they can't ask No, we can't say no. Because I don't want to is a lot of people getting killed, you still fall gang and gone to so I want to do so they very persistently asked the CEO at the Lagrange housing authorities jaja heard for a job heard says when she realized why they wanted work, she hired them on the spot. We've got to find

them something to do. We have to do it. There's just no way I can just send them back out and potentially be on again. Sergeant Mark cavinder with the Lagrange gang unit knows the streets of Lagrange, pointing out the graffiti and high profile gang areas. Sergeant cavinder says rural communities are a breeding ground for well organized criminal street gangs associated with larger cities in search of existing structure in small towns. Okay, you've already got the structure in the foundation.

We're going to give you the back end and the support of the rolling 60. Crips or the power rule blood. Sergeant cavinder says they also look out for gang members who migrate from other areas into Georgia and Lagrange they do have their local leaders. But we do have evidence that suggests that there's funding as well as reporting back to and even taking orders from other nationally known gang sets such as the Gangster Disciples, eight, two bishops. I guess at this point, I'm

curious. The gangs that trap gangs all black or they're Latinos, are they separate gangs? Are they intermingle? It's I mean, I know it's a lot of questions. But no, no, no, no, it's great. It's well, the gangs themselves are neighborhood based. And I want to point that out because when I graduated in 1999, I barely knew any people that were in the gangs that we know Bloods and Crips, it was more neighborhoods. You had Brad town, wall town, pew gardens, MacDougal terrorist, all these

neighborhoods. But in a year of me going off and coming back to Durham when I went to college for a year came back. Gangs were everywhere to the point where Durham little Durham, North Carolina has two gang documentaries. That's how fast people come in. And I think this was spread through the federal prison system. Because when you would get locked up and you get recruited, whatnot, they would

send you all over the place all over the country. And then you might get locked up in North Carolina and you go to Oklahoma, and you might meet a guy from California there and he might have a Connect but he liked what you got to know claim this or that it's all franchise and you know, bring the franchise back. You hire Are you employees This is how it works. It's no different than any other business demonizing now it's very important business.

Yeah, so you bring your franchise back. say here's your uniforms, you change your chain. Here's your chain and you set up shop and I think that the federal prison system I I'm pretty sure spread a lot of gang activity one being because in button on North Carolina, which is like 20 minutes outside of Durham is a huge federal penitentiary.

penitentiary Yes. And I think a lot of the gang activity and Derm came from there so so yeah, so we ablaze over there small a small town so I'm just I'm showing that how these things happen in major cities. I've never owned a shop up I've never understood towns I've never understood why prisoners go you know, you can be arrested arraigned, etc. sentence in North Carolina, but you gotta go serve in a whole nother state. I've never really known what the purpose of that

was. Besides that you don't have a federal prison in every state. I understand that. If you want to be nefarious is a great way to go across. Exactly. This seems like a huge failure on recidivism. Just that one simple fact putting people in different places where they meet new new criminal gang members and might decide to set up shop elsewhere. And I'm going to foreshadow here because one of the popular documentaries of the early 1990s was a banging in

Little Rock HPL Yeah, I remember that. And in Little Rock, it was nothing but Bloods and Crips, right and to myself I was baking powder down. Bloods and Crips get into small little, little rock. How'd that happen? But we See later? How I think it happened. Okay. Okay. Yeah, cuz that was a California gang. I mean New York, they had Bloods

and that kind of thing. But just to see these kind of things spread it spread through music and I think the federal penitentiary system, that's just my, my, my perspective, my perspective. So I guess we can go wrap up with the final clip from our small town. Investigators say the best recruiting tools are fear, intimidation, and the chance for fatherless boys to feel a sense of belonging to kids who have little to no involved family involvement at home.

You know, these gangs will, will give them that they'll give them that family feeling that you belong to us as soon as belonging, Sergeant cavinder says arresting people will not solve the gang problem. The only way to change the problem is to change the thinking sports activities and people taking time with them other than the gangs or the crime side and mentor them along the way and helping them

help is what these teams got. They keep up the garden, clean the chicken coop and more stable out Trey Hurd knows there are other kids out there who need help. And as hard as it is she's had to turn children away, because they simply do not have

the space we lose them. So that's concerning. Because I've heard the teacher say these were really three good kids, but we lost them heard believes there's a lack of programs in the community and feels that they were more community engagement, mentoring and education programs in elementary schools, children would have an alternative but we're hoping to catch up capture them now at five, six and seven. So when they become a teenager that desire to be in a gang is not even there to wrap up on the

small town. I like to make a couple of points, one, so I I was born in Springdale, North Carolina now I moved to Durham when I was like nine years old. But I will always go back to spend every summer to stay at my grandparents and my my all my family center, their uncles still kind of thing. So I would go back. And I remember when someone when I went back there was this guy named I just call him s right. So s ki lived down the street from my art and my living in a low income

neighborhood. And he was like the first in hindsight, the first drug dealer. I saw up close because him and my brother went to school, um, when my brother went to school back in spindle which is a very small town in North Carolina. So when he like he had a gun and he I mean, cuz I mean, you don't see my handgun. I never forget, it was a blue nine millimeter. And that was like the most

fascinating thing to me a blue gun, right? So, um, and he had a CD player and a Mustang and he always bought food for everybody and everybody loved him. And it's not this. People want to make it like all they're oppressing the communities. El Chapo is loved in his community also was john Gotti I mean, the same thing they these guys were handing out cash to people who needed it, of course, that that's how you run a successful

criminal organization as syndicated Sure. And I'm gonna take the alliott handing out cash and I'm going to open on home with the wrapping up the story. So there was another guy that, um, you know, participated in the illegal pharmaceutical trade. And what he would do is so we had this gym that will open and we miss Mr. Monroe god bless Mr. Brimmer. Oh breastpiece um, he would open the gym up and that gave kids something to do our parents were at work or whatever, you

couldn't afford a daycare at his summer camp. Now, you will go to the gym, play basketball, uno those kind of things for square, but it was this guy will ride around the whole summer. He would drop dollars out of his car. And it was like a game. He would come by drop a handful of dollars out and kids was scrambled like wildfire like trying to get the dollars. Sure. And then he'll come back around with the music stuffing. I mean, just to give you the imagery I just like the ice cream man.

Just a different tune. And it's funny that you say ice cream man because that is what Gucci is known for is the ice cream. But that was if I didn't have a father like they said in the previous clip that strong masculine energy being a boy. Yeah, yeah, draw me horse. You get it from the gang? Sure. Cuz I'm a 40 year old man and that's still etched into my memory. Like, how cool is that to be able to ride around and throw

cash out your window and to poor kids. And I'm sure he was like I'm giving back and I'm looking out and I'm sure he got some kind of ego boost out of it too. To see kids scramble like that but it was like this is one of my childhood memory. So, um, so we're gonna move over now when we're in urban Atlanta, and we're going to move over to Buckhead, this is Buckhead church over in Buckhead, and this guy clay scroggins gave a sermon on mind traps, and the

victim mindset. How do you stop these mindsets from becoming mind traps, no one likes feeling trapped. Can you remember the last time you were trapped? The problem is we have these thoughts and our thoughts, fortunately, and unfortunately can create feelings, feelings, both in the here and now. And it's not necessarily what happens to you. But it's the messages that you give yourself about what happens that

determines your feelings. And not only do our thoughts create all of our feelings, but the thoughts that defeat us are almost always fraudulent, or wrong or distorted or illogical. And sometimes they can form a cycle, a mentality that becomes a trap. So how do you know how do you know when a mindset has become a mind trap? There's a ancient Greek philosopher named Epictetus who said this, that we are disturbed not by things, but by the view

in which we take them. We think it's the circumstances that are depicted that are that are disturbing us. But no, it's our view of them. That's actually disturbing us. Yeah, that's pretty deep. It took me five decades to kind of figure that out. So easy to live in a mind trap. So if you say that was he's talking about inside? Yeah. Your inner thoughts. Now say you are listening to music, and your environment is a trap little trap. And you wonder why these kids and young adults get caught up

in this lifestyle? Because like, there's nothing better and this is what politicians sell to them. Oh, there's no hope out there. You know, Unless Unless we help you there's no hope. Sure. So I would play that clip cuz I was like, and he's from Buckhead Atlanta. I was like, cuz I was looking at mine trap and that kind of thing. And it popped up and I'm like, Man, I'm gonna say this to people. Through this process, would I not? Do the the groundwork for the clips and everything? It's amazing.

I think it's called synchronicity. Yes. Of what is the eyes of a Reverend? And Buckhead, Atlanta and Buckhead and Bankhead that knows have a connotation to it too, because Bankhead is the hood. Yeah. But my cat is rich neighborhood. Right? And it was a clip and just to give a just a mute music low a tidbit of music. There was an outcast first CD. The guy was like, Yeah, I got these off of the folks off in Buckhead. So I was like, That's amazing, man. He's

preaching over in the Ritz out Atlanta, about my traps. Yeah, when you have the actual trap, right across town in Bankhead and you know, and all the zones in Atlanta, so but I just wanted I wanted to share that so I know people like I thought he was going to talk about Jeezy and Gucci. This is the by had to lay all that out. So you don't just look at them as rappers entertainers trivialize them now, just hopefully now people understand

and humanize is what we like to do here. We like to humanize people and not make them in just a figureheads. So which which is exactly what almost all media does, even if they're even if you're trying to do an honest documentary just that turns it into just the nature of a documentary turns it into a dehumanizes people strangely

enough All right. So now we get to Jeezy and Gucci so this is going back to an okay and what we refer to all the meat I apologize for all the Mute the music bed I know it's probably killing a lot of people and I want to strip it out but that just been too much work to try to do it.

So this is going back to the vice series noisy in Atlanta and this gives us the some some background on Young Jeezy quality Sound Studios the home of QC label this amigo says label and it's run by coach Kay, who's there dancing in front of the console. He is the Migos manager he kind of discovered them. He's also a Gucci man's manager. And before that he was Young Jeezy's manager he is sort of like the traphouse impresario like the Tony Wilson.

I don't think trap music was really born until we put out Jesus first mixtape Which was the street is watching and then we put out traffic. And I think after that people got Jesus running rapid man. He was like, awesome CEO shit. He wanted to be masterpiece. He was a street nigga. It's like he was respected in the streets. Yeah, think about this. If you put out some white music in the street has no respect. They're gonna be like, Oh, you want to wrap it?

No, he was rude. You know, they came in a game a millionaire. I'm not gonna test it. Well, God never officially signed with BMF he ran with big Meech and his crew during their heyday in the early 2000s. Pac Man by mafia fan base with a lot of money to tell Jesus you got to start talking about this shit. Music. Once he understood how to do that shit. It was always it was the soundtrack to the streets. That Jeezy hit that Thug Motivation one on one classic

album, classic album. That was what kind of brought me into respecting trap music. Because what he did with that album when you want to say okay, sonically and the level of just quality music, he killed it. I mean, this thing was I think onto itself he had the the snowman t shirts, which they ended up banning. Alright, I remember that. Yeah, that band came in he had a mixtape follow up saying can't ban this. No, man. It was so widespread. Cooper. Do you familiar

with the album? Yeah, it was mostly shorty read. Um, but there was a host of other different producers on there. Well, but the biggest contributor to the atom album was a shorty shorty read, which that's why I said he had a whole different brand of trap. And this predates the Gucci man current trap that we have this really very simplistic. This was like a very lush sound bed of Samson. They had the Lowe's and it was just a very high quality product, just from the musical

standpoint of it. And that's what gave trap his credibility as a legitimate genre. Inside sub genre, it's not a hip hop. So So much so that it influence Kendrick Lamar and on Kindle and Mars good see a good kid mass city. It basically it's a I want to say like a maybe like a documentary album. What he does is he highlights what they call ride and so when you're a kid and you're poor, you don't have a lot of money.

You fill up the car, and you have your favorite CD or two and black and mouths maybe some weed and you ride and freestyle and and what I did was I was able to collect all the skits or some of the skits from that album, and we're just gonna listen to him and his friends interact around that the motivation one on one album pack a bag in a big city get a free sales rep. I think he is pretty good.

I think we should push back to what I'm trying to be the negative to kick back as Alibaba way to roll out the commission report back at the Black Panther meetup back down I can give me a little context of what I would have been seen. So I mean, this is audio cuz it's on an album. So what you have is a group of friends and album he explains it more. So you have a group of friends and this is just an everyday conversation,

conversation and actions. Like I said you get your opinion in the reason why I relate to this because this is what it was you got some blackened miles you freak them that's where you take all the tobacco out and then you take the inner lining out and then you put put the tobacco back is commonly known as blunt.

No, but it's not a blunt because you put the tobacco back and this is before You might you put it this way you put it, you take it out, you put it back in, you take it out the tobacco and it has this thick inner lining paper inside of it, you take that out, and then you put the tobacco back in. pools. Daughter. Yeah. And it gives you a head rush. And you will smoke like two packs of these I mean, you can

afford we like that. But this is this is the route so you riding around and you have beat CDs and, and you freestyle and we tada freestyle and you will listen to your alma choice. And at that time, like I said, I was maybe 2526 when Jesus came out

so I was past my rotten days. But I could relate to this. And the reason why I played this clip was deep all the way in Compton, California, and Jeezy in Atlanta, had an influence on him and his career by this album, so much so that he, um, let it be known and this skips to this classic album, good kid Man City. So I'm just gonna I'm showing you how I got it. I got lost but right. Like I said, last time I checked, I was the man on the streets that was like a quotable. So when you get a

hip hop, quotable. That's like scripture. Yeah, I mean, that that there's no other way to put that slide. You've you've provided scripture to the hip hop. Culture. Yeah, you're saying that wasn't one of the many. That was one of the many quotables from that album. And his ad libs. I mean was crazy. Like Yeah, you're saying so anyway, so I'm getting caught up so anyway.

Yeah, cuz i mean it's it's nostalgic for me um, but we're gonna get to the background of Jeezy and Gucci man s'mores that was Jesus comment somewhat back I'm a bio so we're getting to a Gucci man's now. When did Gucci man start coming around to see at the same time he's at the same time I want to just record again he walks up on say you Coach K. I'm like he said I'm Gucci man. I'm the guy you've been looking for. With Jeezy at the top of

his game Gucci man the up and coming era parents. Coach K decided to put the two together in the studio to work on a song a song we all know as though I see a studio that man I swear to god he sung that hook so I see a hook all day. I told you man like let's try this shit. You know I'm saying this shit might be crazy. This hook is melodic

you know. So then zaytoven comes in Beethoven is one of the first of Atlanta's super producers and the principal architect of the trap music sound when I first came here when I got my first hit the so icy with Gucci man and Young Jeezy. It was very Bay influenced because I was just moving from you know, the Bay Area. So if you listen to the music if you like that don't sound like no producer that came out of Atlanta. You know, I mean, cuz I was fresh out of the

Bay Area. I was cutting here at the barbershop Gucci man called me like a man as a Young Jeezy. Wanna do a song with us? I haven't made a beat. So I ran home made him at my mom's house made the beat in like five minutes. And then we went down to the studio to meet Young Jeezy. You know, I'm from the Bay steel so I don't even know if a woman like my beat. So when we play the beat, they didn't even wasn't even feeling it for you until after the doula wheels on the hook. You know, the audio

good is that was used to her dad and to be going together. Then you start looking around a studio. Everybody in the studio got a pen and paper trying to write and get on the mat. So this is where Jeezy and Gucci mans up paths cross with this classic song so icy, which they had never performed live into the verses. That's why this was such a big deal. And you're probably wondering, why did they never perform this online? Yes, Mo. Why did they never perform this song? Well, so I have this

next set of five clips. And this was done by this suburban kid I forget the name of his channel. I'm sorry about that. But reason why I chose him to tell the story is because this shows how street happenings make it into white suburban America. So I wanted that perspective. To explain what the real story behind Gucci man and Jeezy. It's 1998 and Roderick Davis, better known by his rap name Gucci Mane

is 18 years old and he's about to graduate high school. He was selling weed and cocaine to make money and decided to go to college because he qualified for a scholarship. He continue to make money and sometimes would record songs to mess around in the studio mostly as a hobby. After going to college for about a year doing computer programming. He would get caught selling cocaine to an undercover police officer

He was given 90 days and probation. He lost a lot of his money and was kicked out of school losing his scholarship. He had some time to think about if this is what he wanted to do or something else. Upon finishing his son's college, he decided he should just release a mixtape since he was already getting good at it, and he's been rapping since he was 14. To use the little money he had left to finish the tape titled Gucci

Mane the flair presented by straight drop records. He slapped them on 1000 CDs and passed them all over Atlanta. This will work out extremely well for Gucci because he started gaining buzz pretty fast. He saw an opportunity and decided he wanted to start his own label where he would recruit

other artists as well. Around 2001 he met a barber named Xavier because one of Gucci's homies attended the same barber class is Xavier made beats and was trying to make a name for himself as well under the names they Tobin So a couple things one zaytoven By the way, so recognizable when you hear that it's like oh shit and zaytoven to what what is the the distribution method? So you got the mixtapes and I remember this being a big deal, man, this guy's me everyone's got this mixtape.

What, what is the commercial distribution method? At what point? Do you start making money with your music? Is that only when you get a distribution deal from from a label? Or does everyone try to go and start a label themselves? Or I mean, it's just I would rephrase the question. How is it consumed? Is this music mainly consumed? in the neighborhoods? On handouts, CDs, mixtapes, etc? Or is everyone running Spotify?

You know, or is that or is that when it goes mainstream? And that's when the rest of the world and that's where the real money comes in? Do you understand what I'm asking? So yes, so this is pre YouTube whenever you want to understand smartphone boom, really changed things. And this is pre smartphone. So people weren't getting online and listening to YouTube or SoundCloud existed at that time, the main method of distribution was the trunk of your car,

right. And that was the turn of the trunk he was saying stepping out the trunk, which was popular last by none other than the great masterpiece which we got to put some respect On masterpiece name. Because he show all these young guys, you don't need a record label. Go straight to the customer and wanted wanna come in give you hip hop quotable here. He says 15% can't even pay my mF and rent. That's what masterpiece told him. Like the little money that the record labels are

trying to give you all this bull crap. This is. So two things one, beautiful, because that's exactly what we know. With our value for value model. And the other part is, it's a total call back ironically, to how the record business started. In the 50s. Commercial top 40 radio, it started with people selling records out of the trunk of their car at gigs anywhere they could do it. It's it's an interesting throwback. But it was not lost in the south because you had the chitlin

circuit. Yes, they have a network of clubs. And of course the clubs changed but the influence was don't. And if you were able to get a buzz, then you can start doing shows at these clubs. And this shows the entrepreneurial spirit of these talented individuals. See everybody wants to paint them out to be at service dogs or whatever else is like no is Jeezy was. I mean, I legit millionaire before he even got into rap. coochie man was a scholarship

student and a coder. Yeah. Yeah. So this, if it had other routes, there will be stars and that is just like this is the only thing you had in this. You know, this is when the CD a CD ROM came out the rewritable CD ROM first came out so that changed everything because it's like now you don't need to buy it actually prints tapes or prints albums. You know, you could buy a thing was

like the one that used to print like 10 CDs at a time. Like for like $500 if you had one of those, and then you go by a computer and able to record your music and a clause I'm speaking from man, I'm telling you hotel personal experience. hotep Jesus has the right idea by getting Bitcoin into this community.

He's got the right idea. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what it is, is whenever you give us something and I just one little small tangent, whenever you give black people quote unquote with pips Anything we turn it into something else you got to think about it spinning yarn. My brother the beat machine was not made for what it was used for the turntables was not made what it was used for. The sampler was not made what it was used for.

is like we take these tools and like you know what we can flip it bounce it and create something totally different even the vocoder same auto tune as we call it now. Yes. Yeah. The auto tune Yeah. Oh, the NOAA itself was a different piece of equipment. And they showed up in you know, series around it past 20 years old or something. Next thing came up, right? Yeah. But they showed up in posh shops and we're easily affordable but that's why I became the weapon of choice for

a bedroom producers. Yep, cuz it's something that the original what it was originally meant for. It was but it was a this is cheap like this. What you see in a great example was um, hustle and flow. That's, that's a perfect example of how hip hop careers was start is a couple pieces of equipment microphone.

Boom. You often you often one, but we continue on with the story of the real, real Gucci man and Young Jeezy Part Two around the same time in 2001 Jay Jenkins, who was known as low j has just stepped into the GA scene and was gaining buzz as well. Much like Gucci Mane he spent the last few years trying to build a label. Though Jay was in deep in the streets selling weed and cocaine. He was said to have over a million cash before

ever considering music. He had a ton of money and was always interested in music, but initially never wanted to rap. After a few run ins with the law and having a new baby. He wanted to focus more on his label and began building a studio where he could manage artists under he would sign his first few artists and start the label Young Guns entertainment. This was going good for a while but eventually their main artists would catch a murder case and get locked up leaving no real talent to lead

the way. He had dropped a ton of money in his studio and into his artists so he wasn't going to let it go to waste. He changed his label name to CT and he decided to start rapping as the main artist. He dropped his first tape thuggin under the influence in 2001, which featured little john is a producer and an immediately got a small fan base. Since little Jay had drug money to fund his tapes and new people and music.

He would get all his music played at every strip club in Atlanta, which back then was a massive way to get your music heard. He went around Atlanta getting his music played over the next couple months. He decided to change his name to Young Jeezy and continue to drop back to back mixtapes like Trapper die with DJ drama until solidifying himself in the Atlanta rap scene. He did this until 2004, when Def Jam signed

him for a massive amount of money. With gucci mane and Jeezy leading the way in Atlanta wrap, it was only inevitable that a collab would come soon. Nice, good stories like this, I want to I want to take this, I want to take this time to point out this is the reason why atonement is needed. I know people say Oh, here he goes. These young men has to resort to a legal activity to get the starter money up for what they really want it to do.

It's a bunch of young men out here that have great ideas, but don't have the capital to get it off the ground. Well, allow me to say something about that. Yes, you're right. On the other hand, having come from, well, I, I'm certainly middle class, upper middle class. But having left home and school etc. to build that starting capital yourself. Now, obviously, drugs, maybe not the best way it's a faster way the the payoff can be

much higher the risk, you know, the risk reward situation. But so that I'm responding to this because you say atonement. It's a very different thing for an entrepreneur to start and scrape those first few dollars together and build and build and build and build and it it's more than just the capital that you build the you can do what you really want to do with it. It's the process and the appreciation for hard work making smart decisions, whether the activities legal or illegal

doesn't matter. Right. So I would say just so we're clear from my standpoint, yeah. This is a crap way that there's no other or that apparently no are no other avenues to do that. Yes, that's the key word right horse parently. So I'm not currently I'm not saying that this should be handouts is what I'm saying. It's like just because someone has a great idea. A toman doesn't mean handout. I think we're no we

agree on that. Right? What I'm saying is if they had the capital to start a business, then they wouldn't have to start. Go here. Now. Well, I want to make you a great point. That's why I run the bill. Apparently. So we're talking about people that are stuck in this mind trap. of this is the only way to do it. This is what you've been told this is the only way to dare you go. And this is this is what they say about getting it from the mud. You know, you have to get in there and get it from the

ground up. And we you tell people were the only way you could, um, another quarter, we had to get a call to be honest, this show is for me today. I'm loving it. I'm loving it birthday show, this is a birthday. This is a birthday shout to myself because this is a hip hop show. Not that the hip hop show. But this the shares a lot of a lot of what makes me so because I went through that not the drug selling part because I understood the bigger implication that it was a trap.

And it's like, those odds are not in my favor. No to you know, make out flawlessly. And that's why these guys are celebrated. Because we you beat the system, no matter what the system is. These kids look at you like of course. Of course. Of course

you're here. Oh, sure. All right, right. So and the reason why I'm saying about capital is Mikey said you to get the producers to pay beats and studio time, it wasn't like it wasn't is now where you had to actually I mean, you couldn't, the equipment and quality of recording at home is nowhere near what it is now that the quality of music that you can get out. So and with paella, which you're familiar with, I was interested. So because I've read about it, not that I've

received it. No, no, no, no. No, what I'm saying that is a root. Of course, it's a real thing. But it it just to be clear, the payola stuff is rarely as RIT was rarely ever cash maybe back in the 50s it's always perks it's if you're if the station is corrupt, and the station will get advertising buys or so called independent promoter will put on an entire show for the station in the stations name and will actually pay the artists and will only take a small cut

to the station actually makes money with zero investment. Now, these are all parts of the payola scheme no pay cash. And in this industry over here, it was straight up cash. I'm not speaking on something I've heard this is something I know especially for those DJs that play like the late night window where they had a little bit more freedom what they could play. It was me I'm talking about the urban radio station is cuz I like from like 12 to like five in the morning. No, I mean, do

you play what you really want to play? So w BLS Frankie Crocker price you can shake a hand and slot a couple of $100 in like get your stuff on the radio and then the other pay all the way outside when I say pale I'm not just speaking about radio stations. They alluded to strip clubs, right?

You can slide the DJ you know a couple 100 567 $1,000 and he will he will play your music and then club and if the strippers dance to it and this is why the relationship between the strip club and trap music is so strong and this is why you're seeing strippers be legitimate legitimate under Trap Music air under the under the trap music era because they go hand in hand yeah got it. That's your your test market

as well as your your Launchpad not even test market. Yeah, it was more of the launch pad because it's I mean, if the girls didn't dance to it, then you knew your track suck. What That's true, but then if you end up making what they call a movie, and that's the track this plan at all. Let me go find out who that was. And I'll go you know, in Are you in the parking

lot, but that was my song. You know, you sell not to Trump. So I'm just I just want to point that out that this is the hurdle and I want to make it clear one time we're talking about in the mind trap. Oh, this is my only way out. Yeah. That is the that is the real crime here. Yeah, of tricking young people into believing that there's only one there's only two ways sports are this. Well, that's another quotable Notorious BIG ad you got us a slang rot or you got a wicked jump shot. Yeah.

I mean, that's that's pretty much the mentality that is like sewn in and in you know, the, quote, quote, unquote, urban community, so we can move on. And now we I think we stopped at three I believe. With gucci mane and Jeezy leading the way and Atlanta rap. It was only inevitable that a collab would

come soon. In 2005, Gucci Mane and Jeezy would record two songs together the first time was black teas, which was a response to disenfranchise boys hit song YT and the second song was so icy or just icy, so I see what go crazy in the streets almost immediately, and would then be featured as the main single on traphouse one. The song was such a massive hit that even high schools across the country banned the iconic snowman t that Jeezy wore in the

video. As time went on. rumors surfaced that Jeezy may have been upset with how things went. Although it's still not 100% clear why Jeezy was upset, we can assume it has something to do with the fact that he wanted the song to be on his upcoming album, he quickly took to the studio to release a diss track titled stay strapped where at the end of the song he would put a $10,000 bounty on Gucci so icy chain Jeezy would start to distance himself from Gucci and cause

some strain on their friendship. Gucci would also get upset at the fact they could never perform their song live, which he felt they were missing out on a huge part of promotion. Because once again, this isn't the days where live shows made a huge impact on getting your music heard. But Jeezy didn't stop and he continued to be. Over the coming weeks the petty beef would turn into something much more. One summer evening Gucci would go home with the stripper after a party. Just a

month after the spicy hit dropped. Five men stormed the home where coochie was saying armed with pistols brass knuckles and duct tape. They were getting into a physical altercation pistol whipping the stripper and hitting Gucci in the face. One of the men allegedly yelled shoot him. Wow. So this was the bounty for the chain. Damn. This is where the chain comes in. Two parts murder with allegedly sitting around are centered around a chain because somebody tried to snatch his death row

chain. Right. And that's the footage you see in any other closed circuit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, cuz they'll death row chains. Like I said, Every crew had a chain. And it's kind of like Capture the Flag, if you want it to. And you even see it to this day is capture the flag and then now they go on social media and show it all aha got your chain? You know, do you have to pay a ransom to get it back? And that's like the one of the most disrespectful things

like because for somebody to take your chain off of you. They had to be close to you. Yeah. And what it represents is like I can walk into anywhere I own you know what it means I own you. Yeah, I got 20 bucks to walk around with that kind of jewelry on 2030 $50,000 worth of jewelry in one chain. And like, you know, you don't have to tuck it because that's like the I mean, that's what Friday you remember Friday, when I read forgot the

tuchis chain and Bebo took it from him. I mean, this is these are real, real life applications you see in movies, but yeah, getting your chain smashes by one of the most disrespectful things that can happen to you. So I don't want I don't want to belabor the point. I know we're probably running. You know, we've been very conversational. I, honestly, I really love this. I don't care how I got all Saturday and Sunday morning,

brother, I can keep going this is great. Because it's it's a side of music, that while I was kind of doing other things at the time, but all of these things that you're talking about, I recall or I remember some bits and pieces of and from an MTV guy perspective. You know, there was a very different view of hip hop into this day, I would say a very different view of hip hop from the mainstream media perspective, which is probably the one I'm more more

familiar with. Because it's number one single dad rapper number one single dad, that's the only way you get attention for crossover. ads. Yeah, you get a Pepsi ad and those big companies like latch on to you but nobody really. And I'll say this, then we can jump right in the four. This is pertinent because you're seeing dead rappers pop up now. mode three, King Vaughn, and a host of other names or rappers. They're being gunned down right now, and some overtrained steel. So it's not like we're

doing a history lesson. This is a peek inside peek inside of what's really going on now. So with that say I guess we can go and jump into four upon realizing his life was at risk. coochie Shopback. Some people say he reached for his gun, where other stories say he may have disarmed one of the men and took his he shot the gun killing one of the men as the others ran off three days would go by until someone found the body of the deceased man in the woods behind

the elementary school. When the smoke cleared, authorities identified the man as pooky lock one of Jesus prodigies under a CTE label. After nine days Gucci Mane will turn himself in claiming self defense. He released a statement saying he's not a murderer, but he was scared for his life. He had to be a man about it. The case would later be dismissed after his eyewitness confirm that Gucci acted in self defense when five men tried to rob him, going forward Jeezy was still

deny any involvement with divani. Despite pooky lock being directly tied to him in a CT level, Gucci Mane would go public saying he suffered from PTSD from this event, and we'll shoot jabs about it in his raps He was later one of the most famous lines he stated was this to continue this feud for over 15 years until November 19 2020, where they were put in the same room as each other in 2020,

during the World pandemic of COVID-19. Record producers, Timberland and Swizz Beatz would start a webcast series titled verses with rappers unable to perform this was a great way for hip hop fans to watch their favorite rappers go head to head showcasing their hit songs in a battle light competition after Jeezy was invited to the show. He requested to go up against Gucci Mane thinking it would bring good entertainment seeing the long time for you to go head to head. Oh, okay, now the veil

is lifted. Okay, I get it. I see what's going on. What was that quotable mo I couldn't quite catch it. Which one? The one in Oh, oh, go Go. Go dig, go dig your partner. But she can't say it. So he's talking about and they do say pooky lock was Loke. It was whenever his LLC is pronounced Loke. But that was the god so Gz allegedly, let me let me make sure I don't piss nobody off. Allegedly, the story is that he sent put a bounty on

Gucci chain, the ice cream chain. And these five guys who were close associates to Gz went to go. Yeah, I mean, because if you get it, then that gives you automatic credibility. And can you just translate this to translate? Can you just because I can't hear it? I can't hear what's being said here. This your partner up? And I bet he can't say it. Okay, gotcha. So basically, I killed them. And you're saying if you want to say something to go dig him up.

And very nice, very gentlemanly. It's not and the crazy thing and this is why this versus now we're at the versus these two men in Magic City, which is the club in Atlanta, the strip club in Atlanta, the world famous strip club in Atlanta. Oh, what happened? No, no, no, no, it's Majesty the madness. That's right. The place to be and I heard they got great wings. I got I got good authority. That will be the only reason I go is for the wings. I mean, I'm I'm so this is the setup.

And you got Jeezy on stage? You got Gucci on stage? People don't know what's gonna happen. Is Cray. I mean, this is what Bill This is why 2 million people tuned in, of course sissy. Is it gonna explode it to a brawl? or What now? Was this a completely non mainstream commercial event? Were there advertisers sponsors? Or was this completely organic? I know, every urban or hip hop related content creator had multiple videos have videos on it. Now, I

don't know about commercial as far as I didn't. I mean, I don't watch very much commercial TV. I didn't see any like ads for it. But verge like I said, When versus hit when versus say they go to say a versus is a big deal. Yeah. I think the lowest when I seen maybe have like, a couple 100,000 people live, you know, that's pretty that's a pretty significant, very significant.

And then you talk about, Hey, I think 2 million with the record, I think this was the record versus and who and who organized this? Swiss beats and Timberland super producer in hip hop. And it's a genius idea. So and then one of the other ones the funny one was a baby face and a teddy rally. That was hilarious. So how old are those guys at my age now, aren't they? Right? Yeah, so um, I guess let's get into five and see what happens that this versus after the show got closer shots were already

being fired, mostly from Gucci Zen. days leading up to the show Gucci would post memes on his Instagram about pokey lock as well as insulting Jeezy's outfit that he wore for his upcoming album. As the show went on it we gained over 1.8 million viewers on Instagram alone. It started out slow but things would inevitably heat up as the rappers played hit songs as well

as some of their old diss records. By the end of the show, they would make history when they perform Their hit song so I see together for the first time in 15 years after the song was performed, the two would have a brief but

wholesome exchange of words. It led many viewers to believe this was the end of their long lasting beef since the show Jeezy has spoken out saying he feels better hoping they could put this all behind them since then, rumors have come out online about a possible collab album coming soon. Okay, so promise. At the beginning of the verses, it was very tense, because Gucci man actually did the two diss tracks. Talking about Jesus dead homie Damn. Yeah, I mean, cuz here's the thing.

He says, I mean, cuz we, I guess we were at a point where we can start looking at who Jeezy and Gucci is to Gucci Jeezy was always the corporate minded person, he really didn't want to be a rapper. He wanted to be a CEO of a record company. But he bet on himself, because like because artists kept flaking on him. So he, you know, he became gotten in front of the microphone, and started recording music and he blew up there. But he always had that corporate mentality. And I think that's

why record labels really embraced him. That's why Def Jam gave him a huge deal puffy, Jay Z, they all put their arm around him. And he became a fixture in the music industry. But he never had the popularity of a Gucci man who was strict like, cap trap. And what I mean by that is, he was actually from the trap. And when he became famous, he stayed in the trap. So and that's why the young artists like a Migos Young Thug. All of

these guys came up on the gucci mane. So it was every talk of music wise Jeezy had the better music, and probably had the biggest Biggers was that the highest higher heights, but we talked about longevity is Gucci man because of his organic beginnings and staying true to the streets in the trap. So, but now, hopefully they do do a collab, I doubt they do a collabo. But that will

be nice to see. But it started out very tense to be able to begin that versus Well, I'm excited to see how this unfolds. We're not even halfway yet or just about. Right. So speaking of collabos I think we got one of the best collabos in well in podcasting.

And you want to remind people what the mo Faxon Adam Curry show is about Yeah, we'll do that with this beautiful clip from Malcolm X. First, the white man in the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings are both

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I'll be quick with it. So how yellow is it's a little different than by ratio. And what I mean by that is, you see, I'm trying to think of somebody or you could refer to as high yellow or red bone. It's, it's not that light skinned that you get from like a biracial, a relationship or a child who biracial means it's more of a you have Halle Berry, she would be considered by a hot yellow. And it's pronounced yellow. I don't know why, I mean from the

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shoot is number 48. And this is white Mike. So I want to we don't have to linger around a long conversation in between each clip. But I want to play these clips to give context for the affer mentioned trap music. And then it'll explain a little better the second half of the show. Now in this time I learned a lot of beautiful things about a lot of beautiful people. I learned a lot of ugly things about myself. And I learned a

lot of dark things about the nation in which we live. But I also learned that I being white Mike specifically the white part have a lot of power. Mike has a question today. And that's this. How come when you turn on the radio in Jacksonville, or New Orleans, or Chicago for little rock? The only people on the radio that talk about how great it is to kill each other, are black. How come that exist 15 stations on a dial go up, go down. The only people on the radio bragging about getting automatic

weapons gunning each other down, are black. This right here is a song. My pastoral vocabulary won't let me read the title. But I will read this catchy young black male not paying attention that the red light with your ak 47. Let me see you shoot it here a killer. You're a killer. You're a killer. You're a killer, black male? Let me see you prove it. Why does this exist? Oh, this is a great series of clips. I've often used

this as an example with people so I won't spoil it. Yes, I want to play this just to show that how it's normalized. The acceptance of the behavior that went on between Jeezy and Gucci man. And not only that, that's why I chose the person that did the background of their beef as a I would assume to be a suburban white kid, a white young man. Oh, it's totally

accepted. And I just, I couldn't get to the next clip, I just want to point out to people, all the terms that come out of trap rap and bleed over into everyday society like Turk and Draco and, and her ball and chopper purple lane. I mean, do you think it's just and it's and it's really, really see it show up in advertisement to show like some kind of credibility. So I just want to say that, I guess we can get into the second white mic

clip. I'll take it even further. Because a lot of time racism exists in what we in what we don't know what we don't see. Where are the white killers on the radio? Where are the white ak 47 shooters? Where the white drug dealers? Where are the white people on the radio that brag about what it's like to murder witnesses before trial? The truth is they don't exist. And the question is why? Why don't they exist? Do white people not kill people? Do white people not

use ak 47 to shoot each other? I mean, we know do white people not do drugs and they're not do drugs? Of course they do. But why is it that doesn't make it to our mainstream radio? Why is it that we don't hear it hundreds of times a day in hundreds of cities across the nation 1000s of plays that say the idea that a black guy would kill another black guy is something to be celebrated. Something to be romanticized. Yeah, well, that was playing since I've already heard this is

a throwback to Episode 48. The only white song that comes to mind about a white guy killing a white guy is Johnny Cash. That's how long I killed a man in Reno just to watch him die. And oh, gee, Johnny K. Oh, gee, man, very Oh, gee, I got to think about if there's any more. But yeah, so weird.

And it's just totally accepted. Like I say, I just want to lay this out just so people can really think about in hindsight, what we've discussed, as a whole culture, and Wise's accept it and like, and I'm guilty of it too, because I enjoy rap music. But when does it? How does it build the cage? That is the mind trap. So just think about that. And I guess we can get to the third one. And maybe that maybe it's because there's no white audience for it? Or

maybe it's because it's not really marketable. Maybe because it's not good. Can't get sponsors. I don't know why it is. Or maybe it's because it's just not the white man's role. Or maybe when white people get up and talk about being drug dealers and ak 47 killers. Maybe it's even sicker than that. Maybe when white people do it, they're accused of acting black. The truth is in America, black murder is normal. Black murder

is normal. The idea that a black man or a black woman would be involved in a homicide, either as a perpetrator or victim is so common, so broadly accepted that basically goes unnoticed. The truth of the matter is black families are affected by homicide rates of 10 times their white counterparts. There will be more deaf in the form of homicide involving black people this year than any other form of violence that dominates our

national conversation. More than school shootings, mass shootings, mass shootings, workplace shootings, lovers twist lovers trips that turn violent and buddy even more than in war and in terrorism, no one will lose their life at greater numbers than black Americans involved in violence. You know, Blackbird in our country is not only comes not only frequent, but it's an idea that we celebrate. It's an idea that we say is is okay. We actually make heroes out of the notion he rose

out of people that trivialize and romanticize it. Every time I show this information, people always say well, it's the number three cause of death for white males. What is the number one cause of death and without fail year after year, it's called unintentional injuries, accidents, falling off a four wheeler or crashing, you know, a go kart or you know, bungee jumping without paying attention to you

No knots and things like that. So basically the American story is white kids are dying because they're clumsy and black kids are dying because they're gunned down so put To put this in perspective cuz you imagine carrying Justin Bieber guns down one of the Jonas Brothers progress but no I can't now let me just say this that's how either accepted and warped the trap mind is compared to the mainstream media music do you know let me just relate

something I know we didn't want to talk too much in between these clips but comes to mind Ted Demi Ted Demi is the guy who really started yo MTV Raps with Ed lover Dr. Dre different Dr. Dre. And Ted, because I watched this up close and I was fascinated by it. And I always got the feeling that Ted is no longer with us. Sadly, I wish he was because man, the guy did so much for the

music. But to me, it always felt a little bit like let me help these these black people get their success in it sounds kind of weird, because I know it came from a really good place. And he really wanted to expose the music but the time that then that's why I said it much earlier in the show. Yeah, we've got to get the the urban cnn people have got to hear this, we got to get that out there. So it was really encouraged. It was encouraging, discussing exactly what's

happening on the streets. And of course, you know, once that's encouraged, once that becomes a hit then comes the money then it's Hey, we want that you ain't getting you know, you're not putting that record out. Not that happy sunshiny stuff we want this. So it was an industry from early on before trap really. And was weird thing about it. That's why I said that my taste

was different. And I looked at the word trap, and the whole culture differently because as you say, I grew up under root, it was one thing to tell the story and not sugarcoat it, and be district descriptive. And so it has the appropriate amount of impact. What we saw with trap music was the quality go down the intelligence go down the being a caricature of basically hood culture, not even know not even hood culture. It was going back to the days of blackface,

right? Oh my goodness, yes, it cuz it's, they can't even pronounce words correctly. And that kind of encouraged them to say this. And then we can get straight into the next clip. But one of the things I noticed about Charlemagne, he says straight scream. Um, which is a normal curse in the south. Because like I said, and we get roasted for it. But nobody says anything to people from the islands that says, tree for three and that kind of

thing. So but what I'm saying is to be a trained broadcaster, and you can speak to this more than I can. They would normally work, excuse me, but normally work that out of your speech to say, straight Street. But he still says great his screen, which I think he holds on to as a dog whistle to be real. code switching, of course, what's not even code switching? Because he doesn't, no matter how he's when he says he always says, scrape and scream, right. But I'm saying does He say that

on the radio? Or does he say that in private too? That's my question. He says, All righty, I don't think that that would be even weirder. Well, that's what it is. If you're performing in blackface, then that's what you do you do that on the radio, maybe not privately. That's I don't know the answer if he's doing it around. And I saw this crop up in the music of the

mispronunciation of words. Uh, on purpose, I would say cuz and I say I say this one, I think plies Jamie Foxx called out plies for this, which prizes a popular rapper from that era of the trap when the trap music first cropped up. He thought he was gonna meet and he you know, he has a real heavy Southern accent when he's in an acting. So when Jamie Foxx said when he went to go meet him, he expected him to speak the same way. He's like, Hi, how are you doing?

So it's different. I have a southern accent and I don't want to get rid of it because that's just who I am. And I also Speak somewhat different in conversation, because I want for clarity purposes. I don't want people to not understand what I'm saying. But I don't go out of my way to change the way I speak. So I'm just saying that I noticed that there's this thing of dumbing down that came in with trap music. And I'm all in on that point. Now we don't have maybe two shoes today. He can't

get away with it. Nobody, nobody would put out there. But we do have black people to get on the radio every day in Why don't companies Why don't stations with white owned sponsors that play the role of hyper sexualized, hyper criminalized male? I asked these advertisers say I've gotten hundreds of songs a day that celebrate killing animals, will you put them on your station visit? No, I got hundreds of songs a day to talk about assaulting women and and abusing kids. Would you put

them on your station? They said no. I said I got hundreds of songs a day to talk about murdering blacks. Would you put them on your stations? They said Well, that depends. Depends on what who is done by and who it's branded for. Because we can get black folks to sing about it. We can brand it for our youngest black audiences. I think there's money to be made. I think there's American appetites to see these people that way. Yeah, that's that's a money clip right there. So I'm gonna make

one point. Just one small point. We saw this not waiting for money sake, but for voters site with booty to the poll. Yes. So I'll, I'll just leave that. If you ever seen it, go, look, go listen to our thinking about last show. But go or maybe it was 53, I believe. But go look at booty to the pole. They used that mentality or tried to communicate cake to black men on that level of depravity. Which if you're a sex worker, that's mean more power to you. I don't knock say Episode Two. Yeah, so

it's 52. So with that with that podcast and 2.0 at work there, sir. No, no, that's Adam Curry, who's just has a has a photographic memory of clips. Okay. But it's like 2.0 is coming. Yeah, no, it's coming. It's coming. But you can use it for that function, when it's up and running. So I guess we'll just go and wrap up with white Mike. I said, How can you say that? They said, Well, look, it's what these artists know.

It's what they black people create. It's Matter of fact, our survey say it's what they want to hear, which makes up a sickness. How do we live in a society where somebody says, You know what, I'm inspired to write a song that celebrates murdering another person. And then a person says, I'd like to put that on my station, other person, I'd like to pay for it. And then there's people out here in the audience that go, I'd love to hear it. As long as it's black guys, because even white

people buy rap music, buy this type of stuff. Because we know that when we want to hear about killing each other, we know who to turn to, for that type of inspiration. We call it our music. We say we own it. White people buy more rap and black people. Yeah, but we're very careful to turn it down at the stoplight when other black people are there. Why? Because we know we're just pretending for them. It's more authentic and real. I always ask the companies What about your name?

What about your brand? What about your value? And the largest radio company in the world said this, it's okay. That we only have drug dealers on our black youth stations. We only have murders on our black stations. We support black charities we give out water at the Martin Luther King parade. I think we've got it covered. We bought them off. And it is it is really black radio, isn't it? Yes. And it's all radio to be to be honest, but it's really radio it's not Music Television is not

it's it's radio radio is so important. And and the reason I say three three Yes. And the reason I say this is because if there's one industry that I personally have helped kill and bring down and is the radio industry because of podcasting. And so for them to to hold on to anything that works they will promote the shit out of it for as long as they can to keep that going as long as they can. Because the culture is radio listening and they just tuning into their audience that's sadly

that's also capitalism. And to go back to what I was speaking about about writing was before you could afford a CD deck in your car before ot cords and blue suit connection Yeah, the radio Sure there you had the radio and the radio is really a monopoly because they said play the same seven songs all the stations mean over every hour on our Yes. So. And I want to make one last point. When you said about white rappers. We saw post malone came out of the trap. Right?

But when he made it to top 40 star, his musical content change. Yeah. Now what's about maybe clubbing love, fall in love that kind of thing. He didn't rap about Draco's and choppers and all the things that uh that he went he made his way up through the trap. So they don't that was that is not accepted. That is not accepted to have even m&m the same thing. Right. He was. He was rapping about like Munchausen syndrome and in his hate for his mother so that you don't really have a

industry push. Why artists that are you know rapping about killing people. In May well killing in the way that black black artists are right, so I say all this I set all that up to say, to point out this special guests that showed up to the verses to stop by to deliver a special message. Yes, real quick. Thanks for coming to verses, we got a special color for you guys right now coming on. Hi, this is Stacey Abrams. How you doing?

Thank you for letting me crash before what I know is the battle to end all battles of versus to end up versus so thank you for giving me some street cred with my nieces and nephews. That's right. Okay, you wipe my rabbit clean. Look, that's the job that the governor could do. But you know, we'll have to think about that later. But for right now we can at least make sure that everyone shows up to vote. So we have two senators to make sure we have COVID response and we've got

stimulus money coming back to Georgia. They're right. That's right. We got baby, let's get a ga you know, we go stand up for you. Thank you. Well, I just wanted to say thank you to both of you, especially for the work you've done to encourage folks who are coming back returning citizens, they have the right to vote, I've got a younger brother who's been in and out of the system. And I know redemption is real. And I know that the voices that these men and women can bring to our

state matter and so thank you for the work you've done. No question. Laura Stacy. Oh, boy. Well, that's that ruins the event. When I saw that, yeah, it got to be a show. Yeah, you gotta be a show what was going on right now? Do you think Stacy talks like that all the time? Maybe I wonder maybe I'm not sure. I can't I can't call that could not be I mean, I'm more street than she is. I mean, she's Council on Foreign Relations. This is crazy. Oh no,

she's that that's the that's the real guys. Right? That's the real calling and just to say good works on her way to go by Kikuyu that keep them keep them keep moving. No, but that when I saw that I was like and then Gucci man. Hey, can you get my record clean? Yes. Because I don't think he was in on it. Uh, he wasn't read into what was going on? No, cuz and but I want to point out another thing. Notice how they refer to her. Gucci Mane says Miss Stacy, as

more like a formal thing. She's he says, Hey Stacy, right? That's a little too familiar for me. Mm hmm. Good catch. These are the kind of things I'm like, oh, Cassie, where this is going. And it was Jeezy that was the one that was invited to be at vs and then he picked Gucci Mane to be his co star right. But when I saw that I was like all captive audience to me and people beauty shoot comes right in. Don't forget to vote now. Let me know about your record going to incarnate about

cleaning that up. But yeah, go vote now. Maybe we'll see another time. Man, amazing. So and so this thing. I was like, Okay, this thing was so widespread that eaters showed up on the um, I forget her name. A lady on Sirius radio. Oh, Karen Hunter Hunter, Karen Hunter. He shows up. She covered it on her show Gucci man Gz. And is weird seeing you in the vs with Jeezy and gucci mane of the night? I just I just want to just yeah.

I was like, that's the car in the exact Stacey Abrams popping into it to a strip club. She popped. What does that say about our culture that could be a sitting governor could be a sitting president could pop into a Gucci Mane versus a Gz. very tense. And what most tense versus is is what what brought you to the table? The only thing that would bring me to take would be the young people. Chair. That's not the car, the young people. That's

all they were that the young voters. Let me say it for him. That's their only concern. How can we manipulate these voters to make it seem like we're there for them? Yeah. And now I'm going to go out on a limb here like this, and this is what I do. Ti is done. You know, the Democratic Party was trying to use him right. But he has so much stuff going on and he had made so many missteps, that they need a new track representative for the Democratic Party and steps Jesus

He's the new representative. And that's why they were grooming him. You remember that picture with him and Joe Biden when Joe Baez? Yeah. What was the response to that? Did people say what the hell or was that? Oh, they said what the hell but it wasn't amplified, though. As if, when little Wayne went to go talk to Trump because he's talking to a Democrat. That's completely acceptable. Even though you know, okay, I won't spoil it. But yeah, so, uh, so you have this

you have Gz and I feel like they're, they're there. He's now going by. I think it's a J. Jenkins, J Gz. Jenkins he's going to his kids going to do is Todd Smith face the same thing LL Cool J went through so when you start getting called by your government name, that's you're distancing yourself from your a celebrity. Or how you came into the, to the to the game. So yeah, that's what they're all about is the votes. And that's why me so much.

So much for so much for this Oh, organic spur of the moment, things seems pretty, pretty premeditated, to some degree. very abrupt. Very premeditated. So now we have post Jeezy posted verses and he goes on I think is hot 97. That's what Ebro when Rosenberg, the guy that just is irks me. So he's talking to them about? versus, can I want to, I want to ask you about something that made me feel really good a few weeks ago, can you tell us about

my favorite picture of the of the last month or two? Was you in conversation with Joe Biden? Can you tell us about your conversations with Joe Biden and then how you and your family took in the election as well. The conversation with Joe Biden was you know, I was I was owning, I was excellent, because I want to see if he really understood

his position. He was honest, um, what I did, you know, I kind of really appreciate the fact that Kamala Harris is, you know, almost like his work wife, because I feel like close to the culture to actually understand the thing about is everybody like, how can you support them the drug laws and dessert and what they did and people and I'm just like, Yo, man, I'm not saying it's the end all be all. And I never said that. I'm more. And I'm going to ask you a question. Now, Paul,

I'm I'm more I'm You mean, Peter? Getting one? So you worked at Def Jam full on my Rosenberg's? Yeah. But I'm Rosenberg's? Yep. I'm more happy to see my coaches see that. Every little bit counted. And then we made a difference together. Like we got out here and got people to vote in Georgia changed to blue. And I was just happy to see it because it was so many people. I was like, yo, we got to vote we got to vote is like my vote on count. Why would I waste my

time? And just to see that, you know, it made me feel good. And then back to the Joe Biden thing. I was really just acting real courses. And I want my people to know like, sometimes you really just got to be at the table. Oh, man. Okay, meme after meme in this one. First. Rosenberg All right, nice, smelly, anti semitic reference. But also who, who posed the question. Was Rosenberg was Rosenberg correct? Yeah. Then he talked about his coaches.

So that was interesting. So whoever said coaches he wanted to show the coaches what he could do. He thought he said the culture I thought he said coaches Oh, the closure. Now he said that culture now then. Culture now? Oh, yes. Well, of course he does. He and Stacy represented and Camila Jo's work wife. Oh, man. Yeah. He really had amazed that. I mean, it's that's not acceptable. What he said, no one. No one buys that crap. Not at all. And the other thing is, he says that he had a lot of

questions for Joe in the sea of giocare. And he kind of poopoo this and he didn't you know, those black man, innocent black man, you know, you know, not like that. But I had real question for Joe like, Am I black? Vote for you? Yeah, he went mad. He went up there. She showed us culture card and said this is who I am. You know me I represent the culture. Let me just check. check you out, man. So it was kind of an approval. And then the last talking point

was we need to be at the table table. Yeah. Oh, that was good. The table. So that leads me into the bob Wilson clip that you snagged and shared with me. These, these leaders, first of all, you cannot generalize about the black community any more any other people, we are not monolithic. We have a difference in education difference in income. And when it's convenient, we generalize the

black community. And we use the demographics of those who are living in the most troubling situations, we use the demographics of, of incarceration, of low income, housing, we use that demographic information to make a case that All Blacks are suffering. And then when the money arise, it goes not to the people suffering the problem. But those who are

providing service. For instance, in the last 50 years, the government's had $22 trillion in programs to aid the poor 70 cents of all those dollar go not to the poor, but those who serve poor people, they asked not which problems are solvable, which ones are fundable. Then you have black elected officials, many of them are veterans of the civil rights movement, who then came into political office, they were the

ones who were dispensing those funds. And listen to this, two out of 10 whites who, with college degrees works for government, six out of 10 blacks, with college education works for government, which means that the vast amount of money that has been spent on the poor that has produced and reinforced dependency have been administered by a lot of middle class blacks. That's your systemic racism right there. And can you point out something speaking of synchronicity, look at the title of that clip.

Yeah. at Atlanta leaders, abuse of demographics hidden. Atlanta leaders, holy crap. I wanted to identify something that I'm sure is just from, from my perspective, the term culture, I'm seeing it pop up in advertising. It meant meant as the code I mean, I know, I know, like, Oh, hello, I'm just seeing it. But I've noticed it the past, I don't know, past month or so I've just seen this term culture pop up in advertising. Yeah, do it for the culture. stuff. Like that's, that's,

that's the quotable, that's the hip hop quotable. from Jay Z. I did it for the culture. I mean, like I said, these things when, when these quotables Take Take care, they're powerful. They go for generations. So So we have, so that's what Jesus has fallen into. He's falling into that group, just by perspective of he's gonna say that they tried to use ti for this. And like I said, ti has so many other things going on. That ruin that kind of ruin his chances of being that

hip hop political leader. So now I think they're grooming Jeezy. And excuse me, Jay Jenkins, let me let me get it. Right. Right. Yeah. And he's married to a Asian lady from the view, which I think was a power move planet. Lady from that view, but the real the real is gonna say okay, ah, power couple. Yeah, so they've tried to make a political power couple, I believe. Um, so just just keep on so now he's got a follow up. gz. So I mean, I saw and then and just icing on the cake. He came out with a

diss song right after this, this thing. Little Wayne and 50 cents. Oh, but Trump goes yeah, Gee, I wonder I wonder why. So, how sick, sick is that? I didn't realize that. That's just nuts. Yeah, none of this is by happenstance. Oh, no, no, it's not. Now you understand why I laid out the trap and the trap. Yeah, it wasn't about the verses. It's about the two trajectories that these stars these celebrities own. So now that's where Jeezy is headed, in my opinion. And now this is

Gucci man. And he is a this is a conversation he had with Charlemagne about his transformation. Yeah, I was telling you, man, when I read your story, it's like the evolution of Malcolm X and a lot of ways you did it all. But you must mean

I went out. Well, you know, I can't say I'm as disciplined as Malcolm X. But I do I read that book does one of my favorite autobiographies and it definitely inspired me because I read when I was in prison and I damn from you sound like he couldn't really really good he opened up the dictionary to a and just start reading it in our stuff. He was going through in prison and you know to do he had and now like, given them gang. A

lot of things he went through. I feel like you know, I share some Those experiences don't just walk in prison that made you start picking up just books and reading them. I think it started with, like, fear, anxiety, paranoia from like,

you know how much time off in the game. So out of run into reading out, I was kind of like a mouth trying to find some solace in, you know, this shows a lot of pressure on me is like, I run up and down the stairs, I read a book, I try and do anything to get my mind off from, you know, feeling like I know the future because the future seemed like it was going to be bad, you know. So I just kind of like focus on what I could do now. They'll kind of give me a little piece thing

feel about it. And now you feel like I have a set of rules I had to live by. If you do this to me, I do this to you. If you say this to me, I do. So as always, I'm justified. You snitch on me, I push to hurt you. You steal some from me, I'm supposed to come to your house. And you hit me up with teach you but you know. And then it gets to the point where you start like, well, she, I'm already into it, which I will going I'll finish while I'm waiting for you to hit me for so it is just a terrible

place to be. A lot of that is great rules, though. Yeah, don't say this, that I had a set of rules like that I like follow to the tee. But I made myself follow these rules. I nobody say this, what you got to do these what I feel like this house is the person I want to be this what I want to be held to the standard. I'm going to start at the end and work my way back. When he went to jail for the last time he made a total

transformation. Physically. I mean, when he went in, I think he was saying he was like 85 pounds overweight, addicted to lean. Oh, yeah, no, no, no, he was addicted. I'm listening. Yeah, he was addicted to lean and unhealthy mentally. And he changed himself. And he blamed nobody for he was like, I was like this, I live these rules and the rules he laid out the street rules is that mine trap. And he explained, I felt if you did this to me, I need to do this to you. Right?

To practice about it, you know, preemptive strikes. So but when he went in, he transfer on did this transformation similar to what Malcolm X did. And I'm not saying he's the next Malcolm, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, you look at these two men, and the path they're taking Warren is saying, uh, you know, going through the politics, which Jesus laid out the point, he's always been corporate minded, being part of the structure the apparatus, and you have this guy, Gucci man was

independent, this kind of thing. And then he goes in, and he does his complete 180. To the point where he comes out and shape on top of his business, I mean, complete, utter change. And it was, he changed himself. And if I had to choose a path for so called black man, it's changed yourself. I'm going with the Gucci Gucci man message of don't wait for somebody to change you change yourself, um, be reflected on what things that don't work for you. And that's

why that's why I'm just, I wanted to lay that out. So you probably wondering why somebody like Stacey Abrams, and a Dr. Carr and Karen Hunter, and all these people are, are wanting the influence of these celebrities? Well, not only they're not celebrities, they're street celebrities. I have the answer for you. Okay, you want to say something before we ask any questions before we go? I know I said a lot with Well,

I mean, why? And that was kind of obvious. They they want to, I mean, what I heard Stacy saying was Indiana encouraged you to vote. So you'd think that but I have a feeling it's bigger, maybe deeper. It is deeper 29. I knew that the great lack of most of the big name Negro leaders was their lack of any true rapport with the ghetto negros. How could they have rapport when

they spend most of their time integrating with white people? I knew that the ghetto people knew that I never left the ghetto in spirit, and I never lived it physically any more than I had to. I had a ghetto instinct. For instance, I could feel the tension was beyond normal in the ghetto audience, and I could speak and understand the ghettos language. There was an example of this that always flew into my mind every time I heard some of the big name Negro leaders declaring they spoke for the

ghetto black people. After a Harlem street rally one of these downtown leaders and our ghetto hustler is forever frustrated, restless and anxious for some action to talk over the ABC, CBS or NBC microphones at Harvard or Tuskegee, I could talk with the so called middle class name grew up with the ghetto blacks from all the other leaders just talked about. And because I had been a hustler, I knew better

than all whites knew. And better than nearly all the black leaders knew that actually the most dangerous black man in America was the ghetto hustler. Why do I say this? The hustler out there in the ghetto jungles has less respect for the white power structure than any other Negro in North America. The ghetto hustler is internally restrained by nothing. He has no religion, no concept of morality, no civic

responsibility, no fear, nothing. So this is why they're clamoring for the support of street celebrities, right? Because if they ever can change their mind, like malcolm x, d, you got it, you got to remember Malcolm X wasn't Malcolm X, but for a very small portion of his life. In that small town, the potency is kind of a control thing. When they have to control the minds of the street people, because they realize that they can change their mind, then they come off the

plantation. Right? So okay, so. So it sounds like there's not necessarily good things in store for gucci mane. If he pushes the envelope too far, I don't like to put that kind of negativity out there. But if you start changing people's mind too fast, you've seen it happen over the course of this show, you see what happens? Exactly. Are you? Yeah, they come, they come for your, um,

your image first. And if they can't get your image, and that's the thing they could that's the problem with Malcolm X, because all his stuff was out there. All his previous life was out there. Oh, if you want to juxtapose that, to, like, Martin Luther King, right, his image could be damaged by whatever secrets he had or supposedly had. Then it goes to, you know, it's like the silver or the lead kind

of thing. First day BRAVIA with silver and if they can't change your mind and a little Labs is the option. But I don't want to put that out there. But I just want to show you what is this is why the inner city, black man, or the want to say interceding I want to say something. It's something about a person that says, you know, what, I know the risk of doing a said activity. But I am going to take my own life in my own hands because I can't live in squalor. Sure, and I can't

live in poverty. So now, like you said, if you could take that same mentality, and weaponize it with actual knowledge, it's very dangerous. That's why right now Malcolm X is way more potent. He wasn't reading Martin Luther King, notice no naka, Martin Luther King, but he wasn't reading Martin Luther King when he went to prison, right. It's because Malcolm X spoke the street lingo. And he spoke to the street people, and he never lost that connection. And I

think Jesus man has the same potential. Because the young kids love him, he still had the career to this day. The young people love him. Because he never he that tether is there, you know, he never severed that tether. And I know it's a lot to take in. But no, I'm following along. I'm just wondering if we're gonna get a MLK versus Malcolm X type split here. I don't know if that's in the cards. I don't think it's in the cards, but I'm thinking these are

representations of these are. I don't know if icons, the right word, but these are representation of the two kind of black men that exists now. Right. And so clearly, the one who goes reforms himself comes out with a different attitude, different message, no longer mine trapped. Tis a problem for Stacey Abrams. He's a problem for a lot of people because you're talking about ruining the bottom. Yeah, we're not just talking about the

voting habits of people. We're talking about ruining the bottom, which if you destroyed a foundation of a home, right. And I know it's a lot, but I guess we can go back a minute. This is the reading from Malcolm X's. I didn't say that before. This is the reading from The Autobiography of Malcolm X. I guess we by Joe Morton, misplaced respect his name, and let's get into 4.2. To survive. He is out there constantly preying upon others probing for any human weaknesses like a

ferret. The ghetto hustler is forever frustrated, restless and anxious for some action. Whatever he undertakes, he commits himself to it fully apps lewdly what makes the ghetto hustler yet more dangerous is his glamour image to the school dropout youth in the ghetto. These ghetto teenagers see the hell caught by their parents struggling to get some way or see that they have given up struggling in the prejudiced intolerant white man's world.

The ghetto teenagers make up their own minds that they would rather be like the hustler, who they see dressed sharp and flashing money and display and no respect for anybody or anything. So the ghetto youth become attracted to the hustler worlds of dope, thievery prostitution in general crime and immorality. Yeah, this guy Malcolm was perfect. And I'm not talking about on the divine sense. But his understanding of the social dynamic to be on,

formally educated. And that's, that is so many and that's why I don't buy it. I gotta say some because it's what irks me, is this thing floating around this meme of Pookie and Ray Ray. And what that is, is like, you would consider like a Gucci man and Jeezy and these guys is Pookie and Ray Ray's right. They're no good. They have no value to society. Right? But bro, the only reason I'm sitting here 40 years old. And the you know, the the biggest success I have is my father.

Is the the P undergird me with a confidence. We also didn't enter safety, a sense of safety, you didn't need to go out and find that male energy. And so that's what we're saying. That's why I play the game clips in the small town Pep, because if you don't have that energy inside the home, you'll get it out. So it's like this guy has the money. And he beat the system. And you know, like, here's, here's the everybody thinks that all these rappers are gangsters and they're this and they're

that to those kids. They're Robinhood. Because that's what they're selling. I'm not saying they're actually are. But that's what they're selling to the kids. That were Robin Hood Robin from the rich and given to the poor, which that's not the case, because all the resources you're taking. Have this. Right. But in the mind chap. Yep. is he's beating the man. He's beating white supremacy. You know, because he's, this is why they're celebrating because

he's getting paid. Therefore he's beating the system. He's going around it. Yeah. And like I said before, about, as the guy I was talking about, that I had close proximity to when you're buying all the food, and you're a kid, you know, saying, Here's just a couple $100 for some gym shoes, or let me sponsor this, this basketball team. It's not all bad. I keep saying before El Chapo was celebrated in his community, no matter how much harm and murder he brought to Mexico, and

his community, he was celebrated. Because he took care of them. But at a larger level. That's the same in politics, it's the same people are celebrated because they've done such great things. And they can be incredible gangsters and crooks under under the hood. Many are. But if you're secure in the bag, for your, for your the people that support you. It's like screw the other side. That's why politics is very

similar to street culture and gang culture. Because this is about what can I do for the people that support me? I mean, I know I went a little farther, but I wanted this Pookie and right. It's a lot of redeemable people, and all walks of life. And then there's other people that we think have made it that need to be caught out. Because if you're trying to use your celebrity, just to subjugate people further. That's why I don't have a problem with anybody I bring up on the show

personally. But if that's what you're trying to do, and not have people be self reliant, and therefore your enemy, your enemy of the state is not enemy of the culture. Right? It's not for the not for the culture, your for your benefit. And as Bob Woodson laid out, so I guess we can also to fulfill his own mind trap. You're in, you're in that trap, you're in a loop, you got to keep going. The trap is on both sides. And I'm glad you grabbed my opener home. If you see yourself

as Robin Hood. It's like oh yeah, let me go secure this for the people and bring it back to them. by them voting. We can get some government programs and things of that nature. If you become self reliant. And form your own community and work inside your own community,

we can have much more. And if we realize our power voting and spending and even with this, what were the biggest things I celebrate Gucci for his his physical transformation, because this is what really as black people, at the end of the day, one of the biggest problems is our health is what we consume.

And you see it play out with COVID. And we mentioned that before so even the changing of the physical kiss changing of his mind has reflected in his changing of his physical appearance now is this Now I'm not saying like I said, I'm not celebrating him as a malcolmus. I'm not doing that. But all I'm saying is progress is progress. Now he says recognized besides you, obviously. But people say Damn, he got his shit together. This is good. This is looking good. He's this and do people

see it as a release valve a way out? It's a possibility. Is that recognized? Yeah. Ever Charlemagne had to give him credit. Right? Wow, you really turn it around, and he beat the mind trap. And then my trap being I have? No, I'll go long winter's day. But we have to understand this. The rules and what we call a street is really penitentiary rules. You look at you lock people up, they turn into

animals. And it's, you look to me the wrong way. And when you have people fresh out of being institutionalized, and bring that mentality back to the hood, it's like you looked at me the wrong way. I got it. I got to do something about that right now. And I'm not saying it's like I said, this is not something I've heard or read in a book. people when they come home from jail, they until they get acclimated back into this society. They have a whole different

Tom they move on. Yeah, well, that's a whole different mentality as as a country, but it's the same in every country, we're very poor at at, at helping people get back into quote, unquote, civilian life, whether you're coming from the military, or whether you're coming from the penitentiary, it doesn't matter. Neither. Neither one. I mean, I, I know friends who've been to penitentiary and the the process is, and this is

a white guy for white collar crime. And in this is, you know, good friend of mine, because he's been out for three years, this still can't get his life really back together. And the military is another great example, because you're operating on a different wavelength when you're in life or death situations correct. And

being institutionalized and being a military. Well, when I say, pot situations during the military, you don't have time to make, I mean, I'm just being, you know, with family members that were in wars, when they first come home, you can't approach them in a certain way. You can't just starve them in a certain way. So long winded on that we can go ahead and jump to 32. It scared me the first time I really saw the danger of these ghetto

teenagers if they are ever sparked into violence. One sweltering summer afternoon, I attended a home street rally which contained a lot of these teenagers in the crowd. I had been invited by some responsible Negro leaders who normally never spoke to me. I knew they had just used my name to help them draw a crowd. The more I thought about it on the way there, the hotter I got. And when I got on the stand, I just told the crowd in the street that I wasn't really wanted up there that my

name had been used, and I walked off the speakers stand. Well, what did I want to do that for? Those young teenage negros got upset and started milling around and yell and upset and the old Negroes in the crowd. The first thing you know, traffic was blocked in four directions by a crowd whose mood quickly grew so ugly, that I really got apprehensive. I got on top of a car and began waving my arms and yelling at them to quiet down. They did quiet. And then I asked them to disperse. And they did.

This was when it began being said that I was America's only Negro, who could stop a race riot cold or start one. I don't know if I can do either one. But I know one thing. It had taught me in a very few minutes to have a whole lot of respect for the human combustion that is packed among the hustlers and young admirers who live in the ghettos with a northern white man has sealed off the Negro away from whites

for 100 years. Wow, that's cool. I've not read this autobiography, but that moment of Holy crap, I can do either one. I can stop a race right or I can start one when you when you realize that yourself. Wow. Big power has big power. Yeah, power. And we've seen this start with cold call the third way weaponized in this country. So and Just off of just off of monetary, I believe of with the riots and everything. You know, like the first wave is the protesters and

activists. second wave is the provocative agent provocateur is and then the third wave, if you could actually control that third wave control right now it's just a force, right? But if somebody actually channel and control that's a scary thought. That's a scary thought for a lot of people. Well, it depends if you can control the the wave to do something more positive. That would be great. It's still scary for a lot of people because they want

the mayhem. Yeah, we can't have that. And now you see the problem with Malcolm X. It's like, Yeah, that's great. You can do it. But if we can't control you and tell you which way you got to do it, and you're no good to us. Yes. So that wraps up the second segment of the show, and we're going to thank some people. And we're going to find out who invented making it rain. But before we do, our producers made it rain on us and we love it. We love it. We love the new money.

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After crying? Well, sure, but I want to understand something that you said. You've got to be careful how you show your weakness as a black man. So I am presuming This means certain weaknesses are unacceptable to the culture frowned upon, why are you not allowed to show emotion? What's the problem? Forget the phony emotion, then obviously, it isn't caught yet there's a term called being food.

And if you appear to be weak, or easily pushed over, that can be taken advantage of Now I'm not saying that's the right it's kind of like that mind trap thing that Gucci man referring to these rules is heartbreak in your mind. Uh, so I'm still struggling with with myself is just that. Well, just a question. Do you think this is different in any other culture? Or any other? I don't know. I can't speak for I mean, comment. This is just my eye

because I think it's the same. From our perspective. Yeah. I think in in need, this may be the difference. If you're doing that on television. I don't think it matters, who you are, or what what your background is, it will be viewed in a certain way, depending on the topic. And I think people when you cry on television, it's a very specific thing. It's something that we used to be only seen on the barbara walters year and special. So in some ways, it's heralded as oh my gosh, look, he is he's

sensitive. And I think that's what happened with Van Jones in general. To the general population who watched CNN, I think that was seen as a very courageous courageous thing. Whereas me, you everyone else looks at and go what a bunch of crap. Or what are you really crying for van? I'm just saying I don't know if that's it. It's no different than white or black culture to be seen. I guess I don't. I don't know. But it's it's more not like I said crying is fear. I'm overly compassionate.

These things can be used against you or it's my perception as a black man with pips. Well, okay, it can be used against you as a weakness. So may I suggest as a white man, that you open your mind because if controlled effectively, showing these emotions can be a very powerful tool. I'm just saying it's that sounds like mine trap to me when you say was the black man if you cry, that's bad news. Well, maybe that's mine trap, too. It is. Okay. But But my anger?

Let's just take crying out the table. Let's look at anger. Okay, much better. I agree. Yeah. I made this statement A while back on a show. I can't remember what it was about angry black there. He, yeah, even the appearance of being angry. And I have people to this day. If I'm thinking I scowl. And they'll say anything I was everybody keeps asking me. But my wife calls it I got knots in my head. Right? Because I mean, like when I was just saying, like, you're thinking

yeah, I'm processing. My hourglass is turning here. So um, but to other people, the appearance is Oh, he might snap. No, at the moment, he might blow. And I think as a black man, since we're hyper, hyper masculine. alized a same different when we cry. Because, ah, I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just giving a right now. Again, analysis of Yeah, so we're talking about this is a good good luck. Give me a kick in the door, please. Yeah, hold on a second.

Okay, justice. All right. Yeah. Um, when it comes to anger to emotions in general, but when it comes to anger, I would just say that there's more and more examples these days with lockdowns and other things where we see angry black men on YouTube or Twitter. And they're saying stuff. And the angry part works very effectively. And it's not seen as scary. There's a I'm just talking from a white man's perspective. It's like, oh, wow, someone's really pissed off. And

they're making a lot of sense. And and you know, it's very attention grabbing, it's a little different than what you're talking about. Because I can see where that's the thing, oh, man, he's like, that guy's like, he's ready to pop off. But when when, when real anger frustration is showed. I think it's very effective these days, it may be something of only just the past a little bit. Whereas you get an angry white man yelling on YouTube. It's like at what a fool. You

understand what I'm saying? I understand what you're saying. But let me counter that with this. This is why brock obama couldn't pop off. Yes, yeah. He could never pull what Trump. Now he did cry. Now he did it. But that's acceptable because of his demographic that he was trying to reach. So that's acceptable. But to say you're talking to the president here, don't ever talk to the President. Like if he did that? Oh, hell no. But I mean, so I was like, we can have conversations.

Well, well, I'm glad. I'm glad we're talking about this, because I'm gonna pay a little more attention to it and how I feel about it, because I think I think that while I know from this show, my attitude has changed. Like, we've talked about this before. We're actually saw a very angry, angry black man on the street who was yelling at me. And I had the incredible sensation of calm. I'm like, bro, get on the sidewalk. I was not scared or anything. And that's it. Maybe that's interracial.

But say maybe it's to black men. And I'll say this. I have a close friend. He had an incident where he hit a door with his door. And they do was like, what's up? And if we became that way, what's up? Those two words. So what you saying, man? I mean, that's how it goes. What's up? So what you saying then? And it could devolve into something different. So we just have to be, not have to be let me stop saying that. It's the perception that we have to move on a different time.

Okay, good. So it's all mine trap. Then we get into my trap. I totally 100% increase in my trap. Alright, should not get stuffy in here. So let me Oh, yeah, please, please. Okay, much better. Hey, everybody, we're back. And while we were saying that something we thought, you know, what we were talking about hung behind closed doors, something

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m e.com. And thank you all once again for supporting mo facts with Adam Curry Episode Number 55 almost missed a valid point I wanted to make so I'm glad we had that conversation we did okay. There was one song missing from his verses that I'm surprised that didn't get played on Jesus part and that's my president is black he didn't play it wish that was the song he made for brock obama when he got elected. Right right right but he chose not to play it which was a glaring

mission for me. Like is blocked Barack Obama that toxic Well, he didn't want to play it or he didn't want to seem like a democratic operative by playing it but it was one of his biggest hits. So it not to be played and you got me you have your top 20 songs well maybe i don't know i think that you know considering

who is who he's in bed with figuratively. The last thing the last thing we want is anyone thinking about Obama like now we got to move forward towards Joe but now you know you want to conjure up those feelings of Joe's got you think you think that's good? You think that they want to conjure up Obama? I mean, isn't he toxic at this point for the culture? That's my point. Yeah. Is he so toxic? I think so. Because that was the whole thing that Joe is a

racist? No But Joe is a rock revisiting are coming back to the old Obama third term. Right well i don't think anyone's playing that song. I found that as I'm glad that we stopped and had a comment to that spot that thought coming I had it and I made a note of that about myself My feeling is that my feeling is that Obama is considered toxic by the culture or for the for the New Democrat Party. That's I think that's true. I believe

that was my thing. I think with maybe Dooley the two points I laid out one that he is toxic into that will be in a way that would have been a red flag to a lot of people I Oh yeah, well you know what's going on? Yeah, I agree. I I saw promise to share with you the origin of making it rain guy so let's get into 34 man 3.1 point three that type of shit but I'm still on the same mission I was on when I met Mitch you know what I'm saying?

whose main part one a program stop you ain't never heard of big meat I may have for any you travel around everywhere and learn about different things all over the world for this I learned about us by asking was big meats is big meat smell know how to explain that nobody ever asked me that question. That's crazy. Nobody ever asked me that. I don't know how to answer it. Got our own house we

got our own cars we got almost got our own clothes. You know and we can't be stuck I don't see nobody style seen on the car after season. No nobody I never do this again. It's just many niggas and as much money can't get along. Big Meech and hurt. Now. So big Meech is the leader of the black mafia family. Okay, which they had. Jeezy was affiliated with them a part of them. It's very unclear what the relationship was. Some people say that they took him in as far as you know, he was like the

music. arm of BMF but he was definitely affiliated with Boom and black mafia family was covered his kid they were the shit. I mean like, see, I mean they okay this how much money they had they were by winning lottery tickets to launder their money on the hope that one of them paid a huff know if somebody won yeah oh god yeah so if you are a winner they will look your meal

will give you 1.2 give us the ticket. Oh okay okay wow that's big they had it they had a book billboard downtown Atlanta saying the world is ours This is a lot to do was a he was a member of black mafia family.

You never heard of big Meech like I mean that was offensive I mean these are the guys that created or it's the legend goals that they created making it rain because they were go in and just make it right just tsunami cash to the point where you can't see the floor cash that will pull up two or three tour buses back to back and I'm not saying 27 year old me that was like wow like that that is hot you know i mean like that knowing the implications of drugs and everything in that

community I get that but it's this is the this is the mind screw that you go through have seen people create it as legends but then what they can't legendary for right but the those were those guys yeah BMF adult Rick Ross got a song called beat Meech. He was saying like, I mean, what I mean by that is to have a song title out there. Like the hook goes on big Meech, I'm like I'm

like Larry Hoover. Yeah, you're so legendary. Legendary. So Jeezy we have a clip or him speaking about him in big Meech relationship because it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna pay off in the end, but let's let's listen to that clip. Was that relationship like these days with each being gone for? Like 3040? Yeah. I mean, she still won't go to magic right now. My Magic City. I mean, you can't wait, wait, wait, do you can't kill the spirit man. He's a different type of dude. Man. He

just always been a strong individual man. And I don't think that the prison is, you know, it is what it is man. But I just think that he's not letting me kill his spirits, man. Like he you know, when you talk to him, he's in better spirits. And you know, he's always calling and talking to people. And you would think he was home to me. He can't hear it in his voice. You know, some people, they get in there and you hear that? You hear breaking them down? He's cool, man. He's

keeping I gave him that. What What do you think? made each, you know, Drew so many people to meet? What was the cup? Because he can't my nigga like he really did. Like it like he's genuine do and I just think, you know, he just always wanted to see people in a better place. You know, even the conversations that we had. And I'll be the first to say, when I first you know, started popping off my music great. Like me, she's one

of my biggest fans. Like he loved it. Like I would do shit and come from a studio and get in the car him ride smoking. Listen to that shit. And just true. You know? I mean, like, he would just be like he said that he loved it. Wow, it's just reading the Wikipedia man. These guys. Pretty big organization going on. They trying to Malta state. We say national ring. Yeah. Those are the guys that come into your neighborhood

and like a we're setting up franchises. And, but they would love I mean, it's like, that's why I keep bringing out El Chapo because to the people they care for. Now, I mean, I can't not see the mayhem and violence and destruction that was brought to the neighborhood due to their actions to how much how much of this is actually mirroring the glamour of El Chapo or I would say probably still popular Scarface. I will probably say more. Pablo Escobar. Oh Escobar Yes. But

also also scarf. I mean, the world is mine. I mean, that was that was what Scarface put on. Remember, that was his mind. Oh, Scarface has a huge and we spoke about this. Scarface has a huge impact on the culture because he's coming from the bottom starting from nothing. making your way up. And and and making yourself into a you know, a substantial figure that resonates on a certain level. So here's here's how it must work if you're doing this multi step.

Hundreds of millions of dollars you're recognized by the political establishment you're recognized by the white criminals in the system and I think it's probably it's all intertwined and with politics it cannot be you cannot run curry goggles alright I can't see crap now all right we're getting there we're

getting there. You and your future travels I'm sorry so but that that was Gz in 2012 well think sour between him and big Meech and all that beat Meech speak for himself looks like we coming out people that know us to tell you like them do some of the coolest dudes moving across the face of the earth man you know we come in we got drinks for everybody you know you come in with a man named a family we all family What if I'm out with my and trying to show my good time and some just off

brand dude come by and grab my ass and say Yo bitch What up we go mop the floor with his ass is called respect because they have always looked oh boy is not going crazy. Gee, the oh my god from from the Bay. Oh, john Jeezy from Atlanta. Yeah. Are you talking about Jay Jenkins Young Jeezy? If that's what you call is a lot of Jesus man but um, so like, Is he really like well respected in the streets and stuff out there? Yeah, yeah. The whole homo community level

playing no games. I don't cuz you know, when the movement started he's one of the faces of it. Right? And you know, when everything went down, you know, like he separated I don't know Look, I mean, whenever you want to clear up you could clear up I'm gonna tell you like this. I like the man music cuz I always did. That's why I fuck from Jump Street. I'm not no hater. But if you want your homeboys is walking through the mall. And in his three Yo, and then 15 guys come said we found a beach is

and the nigga that run. That was Jeezy he was the nigga that ran slap? Yeah. So he when Jeezy got on with fame and you know, celebrity and had the huge rec contract and all that losing credibility is not a loser know what he did? No, no, no, no black mafia family that not not lose credibility, he lose. But I'll say this as a matter of self preservation, the kind of numbers that we're facing. I'm not, I'm not I'm just kind of person. If I'm in it, I'm in

it. And if I'm not in it, I'm not in it. That's why I can never participate in these kind of groups, or any group, because I am for myself, and not in a selfish way. But I can't put taking the fall, even if I have nothing to do with it. You know, for somebody else, I can never do that. You know, I mean, I'm just being honest with you. And I think out of self preservation, and I've made it

I've got where I need to go. You screaming BMF on every record, but then when they ask you Do you know anything about BMF? Nah, no, no. BMF Oh, no, it's talking about and I think to a guy like big Meech, who's really in it. I mean, like, lit blood, like say blood in blood out. A you don't you can't get out. You know, you have to we got to stay in. But I mentioned this before with a Flynn. The same thing. It's the same mentality. If you ride with

Trump. You catch case you don't rat. No metaphor still sitting up. He didn't read. General Flynn, he didn't read. Right. But the Michael Cohen. Michael Cohen. Yeah, that's a good. That's a good analogy. So that's why it's like it's not about you know, you don't you just don't turn your back on it. So I'm gonna play this next clip. And this is a free show. 28 black don't crack to kind of this is how drug dealers of kingpins can kind of absolve themselves from.

Well, somebody's got to sell drugs, if I don't sell it. And this is from New jack city, the courts thing you're the one who's guilty. Lawmakers, the politicians that Colombian drug lords, all you who lobby against making drugs legal, just like you did with alcohol during the prohibition. You're the one who's guilty. I mean, come Well, let's kick the ballistics here. I know who's these made in Harlem. I mean, not one of us in here. Also pop up. This thing is

bigger than Nino Brown, this is big business. This is the American way. Okay, my goggles are still on. So I'm just not gonna say anything. Yes. So I mean, that was the the logic of Wayne bringing it here. So if you're gonna get mad at somebody get right in the right people, or how are you going to be a hypocrite and be mad at us and

not the other people? Now, I mean, there's, there's nuance to that argument, but I'm just telling you how the logic works for somebody that is on a high level like that, from my understanding, and Nino Brown, to a lot of people are seen as a hero. A because he made it and if the ultimate goal is making it, it doesn't matter how you make it, how they make it. Yeah. So I found this interesting clip from BMF, Jabari a. And he touches on a point that I've made a long time ago about

adrenaline. My job of choice was adrenaline. My drug of choice was the family. You know, that familia. that's bigger than almost any drug out there on earth, and adrenaline of driving in a car cross country. 2000 plus miles, 100 kilos, and there are only one in the world. And that state that knows is there. You know, that adrenaline rush? is beyond dope or anything for me. I don't use drugs. I don't drink. I don't touch. I don't taste nothing. But that was my drug. Wow.

Yeah. And these were a lot of bright, ambitious young men. If given maybe a different path. They were proud probably would have, you know, saying turned out differently. But this goes to show you that he didn't drink he didn't do anything. But adrenaline. I think I've made that point before about a lot of these kids running around doing the shooting and playing this game. And I'll go back a little bit to

the Kendrick Lamar. Spoiler alert, that was kind of what they were doing, running around playing the game. Popping shots off at people each other. And somebody gets killed in the process. And then one, one scene in that one from the skit. And in the Kendrick Lamar album. It was like we will pop a few shots and you know, and then that Haha, the deuce actually said, ha ha ha shot the neighborhood in the skit. Yeah. Because this it's not taking seriously.

You know, it's just somebody actually gets hit. So I just want to make that point about adrenaline. And it's no different I think in the mentality of a god going down a slope on the X Games. 50 foot slope on a skateboard. You know, we used to do for our adrenaline, rock fights. So, yeah, I know. I know how stupid our way. So rock fights. Yeah, you somehow there was two teams? I don't really I think I do remember, this was in Holland, by the way. So it's a

whole different culture altogether. But would be the kids from a village up the road. And there was a there was a house being demolished. And so there was lots of rocks around and stuff and I can't even remember how it happened. We just started a rock fight and we're throwing rocks at each other and the until one kid got a fucking hole in his head. And then all of a sudden we were like, Damn, that was dumb. Let's go home. But it was pure adrenaline. I remember it vividly. like holy

crap, I could get a hold of my head. Wow, this is cool that we didn't have guns. But if we hadn't we probably would have used them too. And but nowadays these young kids have access to gun all over the so early on and that's why I say gbg Yeah, because uh i'm gonna start GB BG get black boys guns. And I know that a lot of people had a sticker shock I mean, like, What do you say? I think if you take young black boys out teach them how to hunt train them again. Yeah, see what it's like to see

life poor out of an animal. I mean, you're gonna eat the animal whatever but I think that's why the lack of respect for guns is part of the problem in our community as well. Yeah, but that all that that we used to be culture you used to take your your shotgun, your 22 not your shotgun. You take your 22 to school, put it in your locker, I'm going hunting later go and shoot and later. I was talking to a friend He's like I'm taking my son out to get his first book. And I'm sure once he

see that animal gonna die. Totally respect for that tool called called a firearm. So I'm not I'm all over the place today, but I just want to

make that point as well. Um, but that's that's big. Meech And I'm gonna say this about Jeezy if you have the governor's in the President's ear if meek wants to come home and restore order in the streets with it right now we're we're post that now shall we say we're post Osama right now remember how crazy it was Afghanistan in the Middle East when you took out Osama or a Saddam Hussein yeah now you have like five other warlords vying for this mayhem mayhem Of course, whenever you take out

someone being in the gang or in the in the mob or organized crime, it's always a fight for who's who's who's the boss now. So I'm gonna say this. Remember when Kanye went first talk to Trump in the Oval Office. Yeah, he was talking about bringing Larry Hoover home and he was also mentioned in the song big Meech by Rick Ross. I'm like big Meech, I'm like Larry Hoover. So if Meech Larry Hoover can come home restore order to the

streets. I'm all for it. And I think genies ask, I know people like what are you talking about Mo, I am not anti organized crime. The reason why I say that is I am a realist that no crime is gonna exist, vices gonna exist. If you saw a thing in Portland, they've legalized the possession of drugs. So I mean, we've gotten to the point where people are going to get high, people are going to participate in prostitution, people are

going to participate in gambling. Now it's like if we can bring these well respected, people highly respected by their peers, and the guys that came up like them, and they can restore order. Well, we don't have guys getting shot in the mall and shot in the streets and all kinds of Mayhem, where it can reach civilians. I'm all for it. I'm for anything that brings solutions to our community. I know that sounds crazy. But even in the streets, you got to have some kind of order. It

sounds Well, it sounds hopeful. And yes. As long as there are drugs, and as long as those drugs are illegal, then there's going to be I I got to pick out from under the goggles. Because, yeah, this is this is all this is all going on. With street drugs. The Meanwhile, Purdue pharma just admitted they were they were drug dealers actor with a whole frickin network of legal drugs, they pay a fine, no one goes to jail, none of the doctors the pill Mills. And of

course that trickled down to the street as well. None of it and these guys, I would say in the opioid game are above above the street gangs were handing it down. And first we said all the rich white people get it. And then Oh, we got some excess was distributed over here. Maybe those kids can turn it into lean or whatever, mix it up. Those are the criminals, the criminals are there. And as long as you've got these two systems, they're meant they're meant to work together. They're baked into the

system. It's a part of it at and I don't know, we may find out if we had if we've had systemic voter fraud in our in our republic for the past 40 years. And that will and if that is demonstrated and shown to the American people that will freak a lot of people out, wait until you find out what's really going on. What's really going on. Because all of this to me, what's happening on the streets, in the pyp urban areas is part of the same thing. And it's intended to be kept that way.

Yeah, and I'll go back to and we can go to the next clip after this one. I go back to the Godfather line when they were debating where they were at the same point I'm at now is gonna be a drug trade. Right? Cuz I mean, that's what the Michael Collins father was arguing against, like, Don't bring no we don't need to get into the drug game. And everybody was the other four families convinced them like there's gonna be a drug market. And then whether they say long

as you keep it down there with the inwards. Yes, exactly, exactly. That's exactly what they said. And it's ness. That's a movie but that's been the sentiment. Because we you listen to this net clip clip from James Bradley, talking about the Roosevelt, opium empower. I'm out in China, and I find that the grandfather of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, his name was Warren Delano was the opium king of China. The fortune that Franklin Delano Roosevelt lived off of custom made suits, nice

houses, sailboats, vacations, summer homes. He didn't make that money he inherited from grandpa Warren Delano, the opium king of China. Cabot house at Harvard opium Skull and Bones at Yale opium The Library of Columbia opium money, the if you go on the Princeton website, at least they're honest, they will admit that their first biggest benefactor, john green was an opium dealer with Warren Delano. So the book is full of surprises. I'll let you judge. It didn't change my view about

America so much. What it did is changed my view about American historians. Yes, poorly documented, no argument there. Absolutely. And I think this is what you're alluded to about, you know, the power structure not and I'll say this last thing, because you brought it up the opioid epidemic, and people were like, Well, you know, um, they won't didn't treat black people, white people like they did black people doing the crack error.

And that's a very astute observation. But I don't think they understand the reason why it's not about the victim, or the user of the drug. It was about who is gonna be put in handcuffs. If you if something comes out. Yeah. It would have been a bunch of doctors that would have hadn't been perp walk, yeah, out of their legitimate establishment. And that is not going to happen. Because the drug doctors have a lobby, they have a lobby, so

you're like, Nah, that's not gonna happen. And so like, we'll pay a pay a penalty, other pharmaceutical companies, and they hit more doctors didn't have to wasn't even covered brother, it was not even covered. On the news. It was a throwaway line 1000s of people dead because of this one company. And it wasn't covered. Because not because of the color of the skin, maybe to a lesser extent, maybe the color of skin that people that died,

it was about who sold it to him. That's the problem. And that's why they didn't prosecute them in the same manner because doctors are not getting locked up. That's just not happening in this country. But also the media is who who's the number one advertiser on television. Number one. Hello, pharma. You're not gonna say anything about pharma, because that's your bread and butter, you do not do not talk negatively about pharma. So it's a scam. And once again, we'll look who's getting the bad

end of the stick. Yeah. And so that leads us into the next clip, the meaning the meaning connection, what forces could be responsible for compromising the entire system of justice? Bill Clinton certainly knows. He was the governor of Arkansas who will allow this version of his state government by the shadowy forces radiating from the reagan bush white house, when ex CIA director William Casey began using the CIA to illegally

conduct secret foreign policy. This serious reach of America's constitutional authority was labeled by the media as Iran Contra. This documentary will rewrite this dark period in American history and leave you with annoying question. Who or what is running this country? gunrunning mysterious CIA flights control military training guerrilla pilot training Stein air drops tons of illegal drugs. Millions of dollars in dirty money. covert activity in some third world Banana Republic, right?

Wrong. Arkansas, America's own Banana Republic. sauce I'll bring this up again. Cool Breeze said it on a Goodie Mob song. He said dirty Bo clinic in front of me some wait. This is the early 90s this is before the internet. This is not some conspiracy theory. This is why known that the Clintons were running heavy drugs in the south. And I have proof now. of something I said a while back about one of the mechanisms or one of the methods that used to transport it. And that was

inside of Tyson chickens. Yes. This is why Tyson chickens with no excuse me This is why kilos of cocaine, I believe are referred to as chickens. in Chronicles one, one of Hillary's investments under the direction of Tyson Foods counselor James Blair netted almost $100,000 on an initial $1,000 investment on nearly impossible feet using legal methods. I can't read their minds or speculate, but I had absolutely no reason to believe that I got any favorable treatment.

Coincidentally, Governor Clinton the next To the number of state regulations allowing Tyson Foods to grow into the largest industry in Arkansas. Don Tyson put in six $700,000 all told in all of Bill Clinton's campaign. Guess what he got out of it? He got $10 million guessed from where the Arkansas development finance authority and he never paid a dime for had heard rumors of Don Tyson in his allege cocaine use and

distribution. Now went through the intelligence files and come up with enough that I thought was sufficient amount of evidence to launch investigation. Now, Mr. Tyson's out simply out of Arkansas State Police intelligence files has been accumulated for years. Yeah, and there was also a nice nod to this in breaking bad if you remember

or Polo chicken was being used. And you know, where the distribution centers are alleged to be that the Tyson trucks were showing up at to tell Walmart's course another fine Arkansas for witches, witches. So this as the story goes, and this is all alleged. This is all all alleged. Load up the chickens full of cocaine. Go all across the nation to Walmart, if the chickens out, put the chickens on the shelf. The cocaine goes out the back

door. Mm hmm. Um, that's pretty well established this. I think these are facts. Right? I'm just saying for people. So it's not just we're not talking about Roseville in the you know, in the opium trade. We're talking about people that are still in power today. That may be you know, saying made these decisions, the impact that you're saying the community and the culture, if they will say, and nobody's held to task and then you turn around and you want to work with these people.

And then you want to demonize other I mean, I'm just like, let's just be fair, however we call it if you want to call it loose, you want to call it tight, that's fine, but call it fair. Is the man it's amazing. It is amazing. This information is out there for for the consump people's consumption, but nobody does anything with it. Well, I want to I have some some things to say. But I want to get through the clinton Chronicles clips. First, I want to hear what we've

got. Okay, number two, a great deal of criminal investigation files were surfacing with Don Tyson's name mentioned in there as being involved with some drug and narcotics trafficking activities. So I interviewed some of the investigators who worked on the Tyson case. Most of them felt that Tyson should have been indicted. But the investigations were always

sabotaged. Oftentimes from within one particular undercover narc agent told me that another criminal investigator in that department named Doug Foley was furnishing Don Tyson with photographs of the undercover narcotics agents that were working on his case, Donald smalls was actually hired to look into the allegations that Tyson had given bribes to different people, specifically to the Secretary of Agriculture, Mike espy. And what came out of that investigation was very

remarkable. Drug Abuse drug distribution, money laundering, even murder for hire. Now a small has collected all this stuff, he compiled it, he put it in proper order. Approach Janet Reno and said, Look, you know, I need to broaden my investigation. I'm finding more here than just simple payoffs. What do you think happened? Now most of you already know, he was turned down. Huh? Clinton hasn't goons. those goons okay, right now. I'm holding I'm holding. I'm holding

mo I'm holding I'm holding back I'm holding back. Alright, so let's go and jump into three. Don Tyson was in the middle of the cocaine just like Bill Clinton. Slide Dan last, just like Roger, and all the so you see all of this insist? All of this drug run all of the trafficking drugs, sending them all over the nation. Little in Arkansas, right under the nose, a little Governor Bill Clinton. I went to Bill and I said bill, you Got two weeks to tell the truth. I'm gonna tell you're breaking

the law and I can't be a part of you made mistake. I'm not one of your buddies released. I'm not that big a buddy. When Larry Nichols made his disclosures made them public. The Clintons spin doctor treated him on mercifully. It shocked both of us who had been kept in the dark through the years and Arkansas politics. The Arkansas news media had done little, if anything on tober, anything derogatory about Bill Clinton.

And for these disclosures to come out of the blue was so shocking that the Spin Doctors attack the messenger rather than tried to answer crab to answer the charges that Nicolas had made. Well, I have some, some perspective on this, please. My uncle, Donald Greg, who was in the CIA, when before it was CIA, he's now just in his 90s. It was still the OSS. He had to testify in front of Congress and was implicated in the Iran Contra scandal, as he at the time was

Vice President Bush's national security adviser. And he got off scot free. But within the family, the discussion was kind of well, he didn't cover his boss's ass, which if you look into him, and by the way, I think uncle Don is a patriot. And I think he was a useful idiot in this in this Gambit, because it's always been played as this was drugs for guns, and that the CIA was giving guns or selling guns to the Contras.

And doing that, in, the only payment they could accept was cocaine and they turned that into crack cocaine and then eventually spread that out on the on the streets of California, Los Angeles in particular. It is my belief that this was always a false view of what was really going on. Because the Clintons, they're just pawns and Bill Clinton is a nice guy, but he's dumb. And and look at his

brother Roger. And so they were working for the bushes. The bushes are truly the crime family that maybe no longer I'm not quite sure what's left of it. But daddy bush Papa bush puppy. He was the guy who started in the CIA at the very beginning. And I believe President Eisenhower said it, President Kennedy felt it was some hot lead. The CIA is running all of this, the CIA has been running the drugs in the United States for a long, long time. Possibly before you and I were even born,

they are a complete criminal organization. And with a little bit of a little bit of luck, but a lot of skill. 45 savage may be able to uncover this. It may be part of the big review. But the CIA is a toxic, horrible organization not has wasn't always that way. But it didn't take long before it got corrupted. They have unlimited power. They have unlimited money because they sell the drugs. If I think we discussed the Bush family, actually they own property in Compton.

No, they know that's where he was. Compton is where George W. George Herbert. Hey, George, h, h. h h. w. w. h whatever his. He was. He lived in Compton, right? Yeah. And that's where they the CIA agents supposedly showed street level drug dealers how to cook up the crack. That's exactly true. It's the CIA, which their Christmas there. They're like, they're the criminals. There's the criminals mo it's not the Clintons is just, I mean, everyone, look, please focus on the Clintons.

Whatever you do, focus on the Clintons don't focus on the bushes and don't focus on the CIA. It's my opinion, I have a little more insight than most. I'm pretty sure the true criminals at the top is going to be your Central Intelligence Agency in its modern form, not what they started offering. And I always say this, the most powerful man in this country maybe in the second Half of the 1900s was George Bush Senior. Yes, sir. Because if you look at how long that flag was half mass

when he passed, I've never seen it. I was like, cuz at work, we know we have the flag half mass on national tragedies. Yeah, I was like that thing still that who has died, and it was still for him. And that lets you know the power. I'm all on board with you. He Reagan gets the blame for I don't think Reagan had the mental capacity at the time. I think the whole? No, I think it was the eight years that he was vice president coming straight out of the CIA.

He ran it for another four years. On a when he was president. And then he ran it for another eight years under his stooge, the George me asking me, Bill Clinton. Yes. So I'm in total green. Isn't the Spin Doctors we know who the spend czar? That's the media, and the media will never It's amazing. If george bush wanted to defeat Bill Clinton, this would have been public knowledge. Yes. But it wasn't one other data point. That's kind of fun. If I say 911 2001

you know exactly where you were. Right? Right. Okay, so do I. If you say to anyone to your parents, you say Do you remember where you were when Kennedy got shot? I don't know exactly where they were. The one man in america who on record has said I can't remember where I was. is George Herbert Walker Bush. He's on record Don't forget poppy pot. Well, he that is Poppy. I know that's what they don't forget the poppy. Yeah. Oh, please. Exactly. Why do they call him poppy? We know that.

Please. But he does not know where he was on the day. President Kennedy was assassinated in one day This will come out I hope we're still around when it does. And do you know why I think or a weird analogy because it's just like what the chickens while was cocaine college she's always wanted that. I like that a lot. I like that well you know that guy with all the chickens you know what they call him? poppy get out of town. Going to see poppy to get numbers get them breaks

I didn't know that. That's cool. It's this it's this crossover between elite level criminality and elite level a separate criminality and I'm not gonna make a difference between the two but it's what also look at it. Look at it, look at it as an organization look at it as an army. And look at on here. They've got the the marketing arm media. They've got you know, the the lawyers, which is literal lawyers, who also are all politicians, or most

politicians are lawyers. They've got the whole thing all the way down the line. And they've got all and yeah, who cares if a couple of black guys go to jail? Wait a minute. I do like what they're doing with this drug culture songs. And we got to promote that a little bit. It's, it is so and this is what I in my heart of hearts believe that Trump is trying to show us this now. And I don't know how far he'll get. I really pray for him

that he does it because that's the swamp man. Now you're talking swamp and he has made some moves that mimic what Kennedy did back in the late 50s, particularly as it pertains to the CIA's power. And you may have seen this little switchover that they did with special operations, which is pretty much the CIA was running them for everything, from Libya, to Syria to you name it to Benghazi, all CIA run operations. And I

believe that they were there. That's why everyone is so what's so crazy about Trump, it's like, oh, my God, this guy just might expose us because it's so rampant so widespread, and the world is so connected to things getting a bit hot, because fans will find stuff out and idiots on podcast, talk about it, and people get wise to it. And we're still in Afghanistan, just like this, though. Don't let that escape you. Oh, and and please,

please do look at where our troops are stationed. And you will see that they are exactly in the areas where the poppy fields are. It's called protection. Right? Which we saw the same thing with Vietnam War and the influx of the country to go see an American president. Wasn't that Denzil American Gangster American Gangster wish that will be who they equate a freeway Ricky Ross to all he was running the whole thing. It's like Brooke, come on. Come on. No

way. No way. No, no, no. No does not tell I would not be allowed in the conspiracy conspiracy theory community if I didn't let this last chunk of information get by me. Let's just jump right into it Gucci man and Charlemagne to make me think of Gucci clone conspiracies or reflection of how toxic like the hood mentality. I kind of it was entertaining to me. Yeah, I kind of thought it was funny. I enjoyed the Gucci Mane gonna see him for you feel

like a clone. Now I don't feel like a clone. But I did kind of like the minute she was fun. It was fun like Danny thanks I'm not really the same person. I didn't look at it like I didn't fit me I kind of wanted him to keep it going. That's a compliment. Yeah, like now now I was saying not not not him. I did again now it's like now not a clone. Keep going with a clone. I don't. I'm not familiar with the Gucci Mane clone. So he

made such a transformation come out of jail. People thought he would clone in jail. Okay, well, I don't subscribe to that because I think cloning is a very a tedious process. I do think is this and I do think that but i think they're so unstable. This is just my personal opinion. I don't know any clowns that I don't know. I can't speak for Rocco the dog man I think Rocco might be a clone. Right? So I don't think counting coochie man was the best option. But can I get a

little theorem in here? Cuz Uh oh, I do hold on hold on. I got a tune it up. There we go. You gotta plug that thing in. Here we go. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going off the rails mo calls from the can't be good. If you want to subscribe to something happened to Gucci while he was in jail. That helped him with this

transformation. I would go more with MK Archer, rather than cloning, because if you change a person's mind on that level, I'm not saying he was I'm just saying I think there's if you want to go conspiracy theory with Gucci man. Pam being in a federal prison in Atlanta, will be a great opportunity to mine control him. That way you can control all his supporters and spawns when he's released back to the streets. I think that's a far more plausible conspiracy. Sure, then the cloning.

And well, love It's 45 while America's intellectual and artistic elite were experimenting with acid for self exploration, the US government was secretly giving this powerful new drug to prisoners, prostitutes, drug people who couldn't fight back is one CIA officer put in. Maybe the unabomber was given LSD as well. Though we'll never know for sure. Thanks to CIA director Richard Helms is having most of the program's records destroy.

This is Boston mobster Whiting Bolger, who was another illustrious graduate of MK Ultra, and he was definitely given LSD while in Atlanta federal prison as a volunteer. Alleged mobster James whitey Bolger fled Boston in late 1994. His federal agents were about to arrest him in connection with 19 killings racketeering and other crimes that spanned the early 1970s to mid 1980s. Roger went into prison as a small time

thug. But when he got out he took over the Boston underworld by corrupting nearly the entire Boston FBI office. James whitey Bolger went on to become Boston's most powerful criminal is spent 16 years on FBI most wanted list. whitey bolger's henchmen later testified during his various trials that the gangster often talked about his experience with

LSD, and that it quote, took him to the depths of insanity. Did LSD help transform a simple South Boston truck hijacker into a brilliant criminal and unanswerable question to be sure, but an interesting one nonetheless. I love what evolved. You're coming back man because whitey Bolger fingerprints are over a lot of stuff these days. Do you know who he was? Landon? Yeah, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Now he was in Atlanta, federal prison when he was allegedly put into MK Ultra

program. Yeah, and who was involved in whitey bolger's downfall and who has visited him in prison in the last five years? Who was that? I don't know. He got me a special prosecutor Robert Muller. Oh, yeah. Are Muller all connected to whitey Bolger? Why Bolger who died in prison was a very big 45 savage fan. Um, so you take those those four names and and look who wound up dead. Although I don't know if he died if any, we don't know because why don't we know we're just reading something right?

Right. So yes to MK Ultra possibly. also possibly that someone got some real truth on the inside. It's like Oh, wait a minute. It's not like I said, I'm not saying I'm not saying that he went under MK Archer. I'm just saying that so far more plausible. If you want to say we can't do it on its own. That's a far more plausible conspiracy. It is. But I think the MK Ultra is actually a cover before the whitey Bolger connections, okay, okay. You know, I'm saying so, yeah, so this is why when I

look at, well Moeller everybody, gosh, man. You know, these people are so corrupt. Look at 911 you know, just since since we've since we played the theramin cool coup, who became FBI Director two weeks before 911. That Moeller Robert Muller. Now, ever since J. Edgar Hoover, you know, the black man. Ever since a black man. passable, very passable black man, ever since J. Edgar Hoover

started the FBI really as a blackmail operation. And, of course, that all came out a law was put on the books when you couldn't just change easily. And the law was, the FBI Director, by statute cannot be in office more than 10 years. So when we had 911, and we had all the crap going on in the Middle East. And, you know, for those of you who were alive 20 years ago, this 911 thing that was crazy, crazy times, now everyone was confused, everyone was and the internet just just kind of

really started going wide, so people could look stuff up. And so when Obama came in, they did something very remarkable. They threw a number of tricks, and I don't even know if it was legal. They somehow finagle this statute of 10 years and gave Robert Muller an extra two years in the Obama administration. I'm telling you, this is rotten to the core. And it's it's, it's, hey, they don't call it the White House for nothing.

This it's it's been very, very bad. And it would be beautiful for it all to come out and everyone to be able to see how the upper echelons of our world but certainly of our country have really propagated a war for profit and for lots of power on

the American people in different forms. You know, we got we got different drugs for different classes of people we've been through that we've seen it all happen and so what if those people down at the bottom get killed that's who these people are, that's who's really running the country or was running the

country or maybe still is we don't know. But that's how bad it is mo and and and, and we've kind of approach it from the bottom up, which is the way to go so the way to look at it is just go all the way up through the chicken to the Clinton to the bushes to the CIA. God knows who else is up above this.

You see all the fingerprints yet all you have to do is use and actually to follow the next day follow the paper trail from from the bottom you had to start at one end and we don't know what's the top end so at least we can start at the bottom in and then we keep following the stream and here's here's a thought stop voting for these assholes we gave you a warning at the beginning stop voting for them you're killing yourself as well Adam mess my rap on the verse

and it's just it's an it's just another part of that system man it's everything's been co opted which is why we have to keep

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