51: Civil Wrongs

FAQs with Adam curry for October 12 2020. This is episode number 51. And sounding worse than he feels ladies and gentlemen Kofax on the microphone by Domo I'm doing pretty good Adam, how about yourself? Yeah, I'm doing okay now you sound a little bit a little bit weak ish under the weather what's going on? For my fantasy football fans out there? I was a questionable but gametime decision we're going to play. So let's do this big sports reference. I didn't get even a fantasy sports

reference. But yes. Okay, so we're doing good. Good to have you. Back with me, ma'am. And yeah, I just had a Yeah, we had some stuff going on Saturday. So here we are on a Monday, getting ready for another mo fax with Adam curry. What are the response has been from from our big 50 episode? Mag got a lot of good responses. Everybody was, well, 97.3% of the people. Appreciate it. Other ones, I got a few people saying that, you know, about, you know, the normal atonement? pushback.

That's why we always speak about wanting to change the term for reparations to tell him because the triggering effect it has. Yeah, I saw a lot of I saw a lot of interesting feedback regarding the legal case that you made, which I thought was fantastic to listen to. And a lot of people I saw going like, well, hold on a second. Now how exactly does that work?

And that's all I wanted to do was make the legal case for and more than make the Case for Reparations, slash its home itself is the make the understanding of the political ramifications that this demand has. And hopefully people understand. This is why, quote unquote, black people need their own Alpha men need their own data and designation. So that's why that's why I took from it. Well, I think I think you definitely got a lot of people thinking and, and that's always good. And it was it was

interesting. Just all we want to do. Yeah. That's how we do the work. All right. Without further ado, let's find out what the topic is for de facto with Adam curry, episode number 51. Round around the wheel of topics goes where it stops, nobody knows. Well, Moe knows. Let's find out. Now. What is the topic for episode number 51? Safe white spaces? Safe white spaces? Okay. I'm very curious to see where you're

going to take us today. Mo. So where are we going today is that in the episode, Last episode, we wrapped up with the demand being integration, or that's what the media narrative was that we want to integration, we were pushing for integration. And I kind of want to push back against that because one, we never got integration. What we ended up getting was a simulation. And two, that was not the demand of everybody. And this is another narrative. And

this is what we do here. We tear down narratives. First we look at what's the source of the narrative, and then what was the actual temperature of the people at that time? So it's gonna be a zigzag, you know, we be windy road, but we'll get there at the end. So I have this piece I found out from Jeff Glor, I think that's CBS and he had Calvin bacon Baker, excuse me, Calvin Baker, who's a novelist, which that's important. And he they discuss his book more perfect reunion.

This morning, we continue our promise to focus on at least one new book a week during the pandemic. Today more perfect reunion by Calvin Baker. Baker is an acclaimed novelist, but for this book, he took a different approach, blending history, style and remarkably powerful ideas at the core of our nation. A more perfect reunion is Baker's clarion call for America. Someone's Live me to this moment about race. I think race is stupid. What does that mean? Racist, stupid.

We all know that race is an invention. You right? There's no Given a race problem in America, explain that. It's an integration problem. Beginning in 1774, the founders of this nation began meeting for the Continental Congress, writing what would become the

blueprint for the United States of America. Most recognized slavery was at odds with democracy, about the economics of the South and the need for a union to defeat England led to what Calvin Baker says was the original, unconscionable compromise, or wonder what the founders would say if they came back and they saw this? Like, we wouldn't think they'd say we made a mess. I think they'd say, this was not what we intended.

Baker's book, a more perfect reunion is titled so he says, because the first union never actually happened. Now, which Baker was this? I got Jeff Glor, but which Baker was this? This is Calvin Baker. Oh, Calvin Baker. Yeah. And he's not a historian. He's a novelist. I can't not saying that. novelists can't write a history book. But no, that's not what this is. This is another narrative driven piece. He's a fine. He's a fine subject from Chicago. And the Chicago University System, my Dad Oh, I

got to being right off the bat. Okay. Yeah, we met we know what the Chicago is all about. But he's book. It's about his book is a blend of history, style and remarkable ideas at the core of the nation's to analyze America's failure at race, racial integration. So his point straight off is about integration. And he's big on narrative. And as you can hear in this next clip, he's gonna put it right out there for integration has always been the real goal of civil rights in

America. If you read about the founding error there abolitionist even, who said, Well, we've got to emancipate the enslaved people. And the question is immediately, how do you integrate them? And that's where everyone stops. Baker argues the United States is trying to handle the question

of integration in four stages. The Continental Congress, we mentioned they basically punted the Civil War of the 1860s, which led to emancipation but not equality, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, a government program with real drive that made significant of incomplete inroads. And right now, Lincoln before the Civil War is tacitly telling us how they can keep slavery, right? But it's an awakening, right? It's a process and we can change this mine.

If Abraham Lincoln had not been assassinated, how differently would have gone? I don't think we've ever really talked about the integration concept. And it's interesting to hear this because I've never really, if it was emancipation. And I think that's where everybody dropped. It was never even thinking about integration, where the integration part was always the narrative push, how do we integrate our assimilate these black people into America

society right now, and a couple of things here. Jeff Glor, used the word tacitly, he said, Lincoln tacitly told us out that they could keep slavery if you know, to save the Union. But if you look at the words tacitly it means in a tacit manner, done in silence or implied without being directly. It's like Wink, wink, but as we know, here, right, as we know, here, that's not how it

works, no. And he asked, how would it be different? So what we want to do is we need to jump down to clip number seven, and then come back to number six, we would have gotten to where we are now, at the turn 100 years ago. Where are we now, compared to where we were when the Civil Rights Act was passed? I think the will and that moment to change was sharper, more focused. People understood what they had to do. They had some

the will to do it. You had broad alliances of people who said we're going to do this and this is what it's going to look like. Now. We are I think we're still looking for a complete language. Baker's book takes big shots. If the America we think we created you write about New York City, which is seen as the great melting pot. You say it's not

we live adjacent to one another. We're not really right. So we walk down the street, and like this kind of witness kind of feeling this kind of person, this kind of person, residentially, we live, and we live in different, segregated, segregated. So it's a lot to unpack there. First of all, he couldn't even say the word or segregate. Notice that boy had to like he had to lead him on. And then he talks about this broad alliance of people deciding what broad Alliance. And finally, he said,

we would have got what we have now 100 years earlier. No, that's all narrative BS, especially from what we explored about an honest ape. Even it'll the last show. But I want to show before we go into it, because I have that throwback clip just to refresh people's minds of Honest Abe and what he really thought when he really thought about slavery. I want to jump to the end of this segment, and show you how dangerous and for lack of better word infectious narrative is.

This book that Michelle not just deals with the big issue, the biggest issues, but it's also beautifully written. Calvin just he has a way with words, so highly recommended. And listening to him, it's somewhat angers me a great deal to think that 100 years ago, we could be could have taken care of this stuff. Like yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a lot to think about. Hopefully, we will do the business of this work. Oh, let's do the business of this work. That's a whole new

twist. How you doing the work. I'm doing the business of the work, my friend doing the business to help. Boom shakalaka I like that. You see how she took his narrative and just ran with as fat all we will be where we're at right now. 100 years ago, I feel so sad. Well, we need to go back and listen to Mr. Jerome, Jerome Bennett, Jr. and what Abraham Lincoln really thought title on the book is Abraham Lincoln's white dream. What's that mean?

It means that contrary to what most people think, Abraham Lincoln's deepest desire was to deport all black people, and create an all white nation. It sounds like a wild idea now, and it is a wild idea. But from about 1800 52 until his death, he worked feverishly to try to create deportation plans colonization plans, to send black people either to Africa, or to South Africa, South

America, or to the islands of the sea. On December the first 1862, in which he asked Congress to pass three constitutional amendments, one to buy the slaves second, to declare free all people who'd actually escaped. But the third one, his proposed 15th amendment, asked Congress to allocate money to deport black people to another place. Ship him up. So does that sound like tacitly to, you know, wink, wink, nudge nudge? Yeah, no, it doesn't know. But that's

what that is. So that is so that fact is just really not taught not known. You could you could read it. It's not like any secret. It's just as never really discussed. But even as Jerome Bennett said, it's a wild idea, just to even think the things that he found in the history books to be true, even though they're facts. But when you're competing with narrative, yeah, as Mr. Calvin Baker comes in a novelist, let me remind people, and as you're gonna say, oh, it's beautifully

written so they can take a lie. And beautifully write it and package it by a novelist or other people like Calvin Baker, and then it just sounds so good. Oh, yeah, we could have been we're 100 years behind the record. You know, what heartbeat year in progress, and how does that move everything forward? By pointing that out and then saying, oh, boy, it sucks, just just doesn't seem very productive to me.

Well, what it does is it explains away while we haven't made the progress, and the only people that are that need to have short record of progress are the people that we give our vote away to. I mean, let's just be honest. Yeah. Gotcha. So to have this plane away, you know, it was Lincoln and he you know, he would eat now he was he would eat he went with his I think

they use the word he was gross. You know, he grew you know, he was racist when he first arted out, but by the time it was over, you know, he blossomed to this social justice warrior president, which is not the case. And but this is why, what we do here, we're doing the business of the work. We point out these fallacies, and he's fantasies and fantasy is going to be a huge part of this show, I just want to let people know

up front. This image that we have in this on our head of this perfect nation on this perfect society, it really hinders people. But before I continue on, I want to let Mr. Calvin Baker finish up with why America failed to integrate it for to bring about full integration, Baker envisions programs on the scale of the New Deal, the GI Bill, and the Federal Housing Administration. But in this book, he does not offer specific

policy prescriptions. He says, deliberately, once you get to prescription here's what happens in books that talk about the topic of race and society. We compartmentalize them. And we start getting now we're going to talk about education. Now we're going to talk about the media. Now we're going to talk about criminal justice, I wanted to write a book that looked across these spaces. For question, can

we live together? Or not? Do we want to live together or not? I think people can have different ideas on how to get to that. Start with start with what worked? Start with what brought us to this point, right? I mean, we are better off than we were, I mean, as a nation, right? We have come further than we'd come before. But now you've got to go the rest of the way. How long do you believe that takes? When I started the

book, I thought, three, four generations? I think if we're serious about the conversation we're having right now to two generations, it's possible. So that's our grandkids isn't a wonderful thing to leave them well, that's kind of dark. It'll take two generations if if with his with the with the Calvin Baker method or or I don't understand why you don't have a method and method he didn't know he didn't have any solutions. But he said what we shouldn't do is do

things like the New Deal, the GI Bill and FHA. I pray to God we don't because I did a little digging on those. Cato Institute. I think that's a pretty reputable just I mean, there has to be out front and I think they're right tilting Institute but they are still credible. And title, why the FDR? New Deal. Harm blacks. It says good intentions are overrated. Franklin. Delano Roosevelt's New Deal, for instance, has been hailed for his lofty goals of reforming the

American economy, and helping the underprivileged. Yet mounting evidence evidence here narrative developed by dozens of economists across the country show the New Deal prolong joblessness for millions and black people were especially hard hit. It's I don't want none of that. Right? This is his illusion. And if if I can just interject and say that point of view when it comes to monetary policy, you know, like what FDR was considering, all the way up to what the Federal Reserve or the

Treasury anytime it comes to policy. And that can also be policy of going into Syria or Iraq. No one ever knows what's really going to happen. But with, with policy, like, social services, it's, it's, I just want to say it's not necessarily malfeasance or mal intended. It's just no one ever knows how it's gonna work out. The problem is people typically don't learn from those mistakes. Now, but when you have somebody like this guy, Calvin come out

and say, oh, we need to do like the New Deal. And the GI Bill. Yeah, he has no idea what he's talking about. He said, he doesn't know if that's gonna worry. gurjit tating narrative. Yes, my point is, and this is the heart and you heard that lady at the end, do the same thing that she just heard, oh, will be 100 years better, says who? Yeah, that's what you're saying what data points to that we will be where we're at 100 years earlier. If you know if things

would have played out differently, we don't know. But they go and spat out and this I'll just read the title of this one, how the GI Bill promised was denied to millions of black War War Two veterans, and that's really what helped create the suburbs, but we'll get down to that later. And then, just to wrap up I have clips here for Mr. Richard Rothstein. Have you ever heard of him? No, I don't think so maybe no. Okay. Okay.

Well, he's assuming a senior fellow Richard Rothstein, who authored the book the color law, I forgot. Oh, yeah, no, I have this. Of course I do. I read this book. Yes, of course. Yeah. So he, in this next clip, Kal kLW. One, he explains how the FHA was problematic. Public housing in this country began in the mid 20th century, in the New Deal during the Roosevelt administration. It was

the first civilian public housing ever built. And it began as a project for working class families, not for poor people, for people who had jobs, but in the pret Depression had no housing. And it was mostly for whites and the federal government have built the Public Works Administration, one of the first New Deal agencies built the first civilian public housing in this country. And everywhere in the country, it created segregated projects, even where communities were

previously integrated. There were many integrated neighborhoods in the mid 20th century, early 20th century, we would be stunned if we were transported back to that period, and saw how much integration residential integration there was, for the simple reason that the working class people didn't have automobiles to get to work. So they want to live close enough to the factories where they worked, or the other

workplaces. And so if you had a factory that was, had Irish immigrant workers and Italian immigrant workers and Jewish immigrant workers and African Americans, they want to live in

roughly the same neighborhoods near the factories. That neighborhood where he grew up an integrated neighborhood was a neighborhood where the Public Works Administration demolished housing and build two separate projects, one for whites and one for African Americans are creating segregation that previously hadn't existed and might not have existed in the if that hadn't been done. Row wasn't intended these.

This is facts compared to you know, narrative. This guy actually says the government sanction and aided and abetted and took action to segregate previously integrated communities. Now, do you get the feeling he wanted to live with? Do you get the feeling he's saying that that was intentional or was just unintended consequences? As you hear this next set of clips, I think it comes pretty

clear that it was intentional. To counter what Calvin said about we will be where we're at 100 years ago of nothing, you know, we did things differently. Maybe if the government wouldn't have gotten involved, we will be where are we at now? A lot sooner? Sure. Well, but that was also at this point. You know, that's just narrative. We don't really know. But maybe as we unfold the facts, we'll find out. Right? I mean, will will you go in and create segregated projects? I

mean, you can't you that was counterproductive. That's what I'm saying. I'm just taking sheer facts. But yeah, it is a little bit of reached here. spacejam reach part two. And this pattern was created everywhere in the country of Cambridge, Massachusetts, we think of it as being a liberal

area. The area near MIT was also an integrated community about half black half white, the Public Works Administration demolished housing, in that integrated neighborhood to build two separate projects, one for African Americans and one for whites. Well, this continued for the next 20 years. And by the early 1950s, we saw development everywhere in the country, that there were large numbers of vacancies in the white projects,

and long waiting lists in the black projects. Eventually, the situation became so conspicuous that all the projects were opened up to African Americans, and about the same time, industry left the cities. And there were fewer and fewer jobs for the people who are living in these public housing projects.

They became poor and poor. And then for the first time in the in this about 1950, public housing began to be a subsidized program for people who couldn't afford private housing and almost all black at the time, and without jobs and without hope without opportunities being concentrated in these downtown areas. Meanwhile, the federal government was subsidizing the movement of white families only to single family homes in the suburbs, right. Oh, man, the history is coming back now. Okay.

That's what a raw deal unless route let's bully you know, flesh out this idea how the all black people get to the cities in the first place. They came there to look into jobs during the Great Migration, right? And then you take the jobs, move them out to the suburbs, where you move all the white people to there's no jobs and to see in the inner city, or where you always ask whether this term urban come from this is it. This is the birther, urban, Urban Suburban.

I'm learning how you take the jobs and the nice houses and you move them out. And then you leave. You say, Okay, black people can have the projects, but then black people you want the projects? No, no father's right. Yeah. Then there's that part. Yeah. Wow. So So, as you said, black black men or black people are most conspiratorial? Well, there's not really me. There's I just, I just thought it was your What?

No, right. But what I'm saying we You see, all these things fall in one domino after another, you start to get really suspicious about stuff. Absolutely. Right. Was this bot design? Maybe? Or was it just happenstance? And as you continue on, it's like, hold on. We can't be that many coincidences. Let's just be

honest. I mean, that's the feeling. That's the sentiment, be that many questions, did you treat yourself our natural habitat of agriculture, and you know, rural based, you bring us to the city, he snaps the jobs often under us, you move them out, you limit our access to, you know, funding to buy single family homes and homes in the suburbs, why you're catering to other people. And they knew you had the projects, but no man in it. I'm just saying, I mean, like when you stack all those on

top of each other, is very fishy. But I mean, but we have to what I'm doing, explaining how it became segregated in the first pleasure. Because if you let people live where they want to live, people are naturally gravitate to, you know, what's closest to your job where people align with them, you know, and as, as Richard Rothstein said, it we're an integrated communities without any stimulus to be the beast. Oh, well, so and I'm sure we'll get to it. What and what comes to

mind is okay, let's just presume people are good. But this was not in my backyard type of thing. It's like, oh, you know, and obviously, kind of the literal meaning of racist wishes, well, they're just less than us, but we're gonna hook them up, we're gonna do good, but we'll just let them do it over there. It's literally racist. But at the time, probably just how they thought, and I'm not trying to say it's correct. I would tell you, goggles, but we're so close.

We're gonna get there. Okay, so sorry. All right, let's, let's get into Part Three, and the FHA in order to grant the guarantees the four bank loans for these developers to build giant developments, they never could have assembled the capital to build a development

with 10s of 1000s of homes in one place. On their own, the Federal Housing Administration gave him guaranteed bank loans on condition that they sell no homes to African Americans, and indeed required that the deed if every home and these developments include a clause prohibiting resale or rental to

African Americans. So there were many, many other policies that the federal government followed and state and local governments followed but these to the Federal Housing Administration creations, the suburbs on a white only basis, and the Public Works Administration and success, succeeding housing agencies, concentrating African Americans in central cities where they became poor and poor, created the Metropolitan

landscape that we see today. You talk about the image that we have of African Americans, well, white families, whites generally look at the way we've concentrated African Americans, although they don't understand that it was We Who concentrated them, we the government of the country, they look at African Americans living in poverty, without opportunity, and they assume that this is characteristic of African Americans, rather than understanding that this was the

product of an explicit government policy. Right on your question, right? Sure. Does. Yeah, it does, does. So you, you freeze these people out of suburbs, saying no, you can't sell the government now. You can't sell them houses, right? You know, the D dollar has to stay white. And then you have no jobs in these communities. And then you overpopulate the projects, and then don't offer the services

like trash and those kinds of things. It creates this image I mean, to be honest with you that's that's the imagery we have a third world countries right? Yeah, just can't get together. I mean, that's, that's that's unfortunately now happening in every city across America with people, you know, camping everywhere, same image, but What To what end? So this, let's say this is a racist policy, it's clearly a horrible setup. To what end? What What was the benefit to the people doing

this? What were they thinking like, we'll just, they're here anyway, we can't, we can't literally throw them overboard. So we'll just we'll just squish him here is that what that was, is creating the bottom, you have to have a bottom and society just like you have to have a bottom in the world, right? We take all of our jobs that we don't want to be done here, a are not taught here to the land like agriculture, but the making of these dollar store toys and these trinkets and cans over

there. But this is a bottom with no job so that it's not, it's not even a productive bottom. Which made it easier for people that look like let's see, we got to go back to the killer was when you're saying, Okay, we need to create people that. And this is an analogy I'll draw is like, if you're I'm a Cowboys fan, right? Um, when I tell if I was a true fan fanatic, I will talk in terms we and us and did you see how we play yesterday? And you know, we did pretty

good. We sure that's how these newly inducted whites were. It's like, yeah, letting them come in. Be fans of the Wasp, you know, and portray themselves as white. And they you know, they'll feel like they're part of the team, but they're really not, you know, they're really not part of the team wink wink, nod nod. And what it does is build this buffer class, or the mud steel, and we're going to get there on another episode, but it builds this buffer class between the actual bottom and the top.

Okay, yep. Now, we have been saying that, yes, I agree. So, what I'm saying is, it's, it's everybody moving on up, stepping on the person underneath. And if you don't have someone to step on them find one. Right, and the easiest way to keep the bottom clearly defined if you do offer skin color, and so called Race. Yeah, that does make it kind of easy, doesn't it? Right. So this is the killer Wasp at work. And it's like, oh, yeah, the Irish are we hated them, but come on in that Talion

we hated them. But come on in and now it's with the Hispanics, Hispanics, we hated them. But now come on, in long as you can portray the wipes the white, the Wasp dashing definition of whiteness, their ideals, you know, their principles, and all those things. And those you agree that the bottom has to stay the bottom, you can't help the bottom. I mean, that that will get your car revoked. I know it sounds very sinister.

But and it's not even this subject, the key subject of this episode, but we got to understand how segregation happen, especially in major cities. And what was the solution for it stop think we stopped at three, we can go into four. Now. There were many, many African Americans in the early 1950s, late 1940s, who could have afforded to buy those homes, the single family homes that the governments were creating in places like Westlake and San Lorenzo or others in this area

and throughout the country. Levittown is probably the best example of eastern New York City and well known, many African Americans could have afford to buy those homes. They were very inexpensive. They were cost about 789 $1,000 at the time, that's about $100,000. In today's money about twice national median income, working class families of either race

because of afford to buy those homes. African Americans were prohibited from doing so required to continue living in urban areas renting apartments, either in the public housing or

in private market. And whites were subsidized the subsidy to whites was so great that they could leave public housing which as I said was not for poor people at the time it was for working class families, they could leave public housing and move into single family homes and suburbs like Levittown, or Westlake or San Lorenzo and pay less than their monthly VA and FHA mortgages and other housing costs pay less for housing and these single family homes than they were paying for rent and

public housing. Yes, I recall some of this from previous episodes. So we're comparing apples to apples here. Man one black one white saying family kids same income, but one had access to move to this nice neighborhood subsidized by the government and

other ones restricted I mean completely restricted. So I mean, I'm hoping I'm Lana's the integration part I mean the segregation part out the integration which, which episode was it Just for people's reference when we talked about this specifically about the homes not not being allowed to sell the home then it was on the white white flag with the white flight when I can't that

was white slice, don't think it was white flight. But that, but this is what Michelle Obama was talking about in her in her O'Brien's in the episode herself of white flight. But yeah, this is I don't want to harp on this too long because like I said, this is not the key, but what you're starting to do is understand not you, because you've been doing the work you've been about the business of doing the work. Thank you. Thanks for acknowledging me.

Now, what it does is if you've got all this pressure, I'm what I'm doing is building this ecology of the person that will take the deal of integration. If you've been suppressed and you know, oppressed and forced to live in these not so great conditions. It's either go back to their mind, I'm just trying to make make everybody human here, right? It's either go back to the south where it is visible, oppressive racism, like Jim Crow, or if I stand north, I had to stay where it's not

segregated by, you know, your shear wheel to work. It's just like, oh, all the blacks nothing together. So you have criminal blacks, you have low class blacks, you have, you know, all these working class and middle income, and middle income blacks. Um, so now I'm just setting up how integration sounded like a good idea on its face value when you get the chance to move out, but there's always a catch. But before we move there, let's wrap up with the last clip, clip from Richard

Rothstein. Number five. So we created the situation and African American neighborhoods became more and more overcrowded. As well as depressed because of lack of employment opportunities more and more overcrowded, because they were restricted and where they could move. There were no opportunities outside urban areas. As they became more overcrowded conditions deteriorated in the communities. City services typically declined at that point, less garbage collection, they became slums.

And whites looked at these communities and decided that African Americans were slum dwellers, and therefore should be avoided. But this was all the product of government policy, this was not something that happened naturally, it was not

something that happened by accident. It was not, as we commonly think, something de facto, it was a legal creation, just as the desegregation of schools or the segregation of restaurants, was segregation of transportation was done by government in the 20th century. Bastards, I tell you, where they think, some guy he made that point, and it's gonna come out later, but what we have to look at is people that say, Okay, we want to separate but equal because there's gonna be a big part of

the show two people are saying separate, we're equal. What that what the thing is, I want it to be integrated with opportunity to these loans, opportunity to gi bills, opportunity to have the same schools. So if you're going to build two schools, one for black children, one for white children, they should be identical. Right? But that's not how the separate but equal idea, you know, and legislation played out. So it's not that we want it

to I had this conversation with my mother. And this is kind of what episode it was kind of brewing after I had this conversation with her, okay. You gotta promise me do your mom's voice otherwise, it just doesn't work for me. Please, I was like, Manuel, I said, What was your thinking? I was like, the white paws that sweeter white coffee that hotter? And she said, ciao, you know, we just wanted to be seen as

humans. And I'm like, I can get it. You know, I mean, so it was more of not wanting to be in the restaurant but allowed to go in there. You know, they didn't want to be restricted. So I think Miss, we oversimplify with this rule word counter. And it's like, they were just dying to get a piece of that pie. Or you know, literally are dying to get a cup of coffee. It was more on human see me. And really the bigger conversation was, he was

the trade off. And this is where this is rocket sinister. And just just in my mind, because just how we just set it up to all this has been government sanction. So in my mind, they said, Okay, you want the white school and no white books. You got to take the white teachers along with it. It wasn't that and then I say this because my dad was his last year of school was his first year integration. So imagining Coming up. Now narcissists tell these things, but Miss misses my perspective,

right? And it's kind of I went to school for 1112 years, we're all black people didn't use wanna thrust me into this integration experiment, right? When you could just easily bring a load of books over here. You know, bring your cat couple of cans of paint over here. That goes to separate but equal that just ended right there and said, Okay, separate but equal, but not at our place.

Right, which a lot of black people at that time didn't want to go to white schools, no matter how they make it seem like, oh, we wanted to be bused. Or, you know, we you know, and this is where imagery and narrative come in. You know, I've always speak about the little girl carrying her books and white people on both sides on both files, is yelling and screaming. It's like, why would I want to put my child through that? You know, but, I mean, that's the narrative. And I know

I'm dragging out. And this is where the narrative got picked up by the media. And this is a throwback clip from show 12 media MLK and civil rights movement. As a story, the Civil Rights Movement had it all. Good versus drama, social upheaval. But at first America's major media ignored it, especially in the South. It was our responsibility to find a way to dramatize the issue here was Congressman John Lewis says that the movements leaders realized

to bring change, they needed to reach white Americans. How did you do that? As a movement? We literally put our bodies on the line, you have influence on the Civil Rights coverage, Hank, klibanoff co wrote the race be a book about the media and the movement? Well, race was a big story in the south beginning in the 40s and 50s. It's just that no one knew about it. Finally, by 1957, major northern newspapers discover the

drama and the story. How do you feel about integrated passengers, the television networks followed, even major southern media paid attention to the open hatred, you got to keep the white and the black set and the violent response to peaceful protests? If you're gonna beat us, beat us in the light of day, beat us weather cameras on on gov. This was Selma, Alabama, 1960 Pa. Among the bloodied John Lewis,

American people could not stand it to see young children. And all women been knocked down by fire hoses and chased by police stole. Yeah, nice story, as I said in the beginning of the clip, nice story. But as I said, they had it all, you know, and he even said we had to dramatize. So this is where people with a certain motive. And they were being steered, I believe being steered, I'm gonna allow some evidence here. That integration

wasn't really demand that black people were making. This is all this is completely all narrative, if I truly believe I've talked to enough older black people, and that will say, hey, we could have went to schools and had the same books and chalking, at least it was parity, they're not even if it was the same books, but Okay, our books is like a couple of

years older than their addition. My dad used to say they used to have to go to school and piece together books, just so they had proper materials, the start of school year with so I mean, what, okay, let me explain to you what I'm doing here on China diffuse. And we always talk about the wars, right? It's the

gender war, the race war and the generational war. And this one right here is an inter racial intra racial war between the generations because the younger people look at the output not use stupid to get spin on a hit in the head for a cup of coffee and a slice of pie. I mean, that's what they bought it down to know. Well, that's what the younger generation perhaps has been

taught in school through other ways. You know, through the through the stories they've been told the way it went down the stories by who? about slavery and that's that by who by who not about but by who's telling the story, the media led to show the show off the clips I played right today with Calvin Baker. Right. He's just coming in to write another story. Not facts, not proof. I mean, this is what Richard Rothstein is peatland, not proof. Um, the other

gentleman is named Jerome Bennett. He's laying out proof, but he's like, no, no, no, no, no. We have to indoctrinate the children to believe that these mean white people Not the government, but the citizens want it segregation, right? That America was inherently a bunch of bad Fockers, they were just bad people, we'd had nothing good in mind. Right? And then average white person is my I'm just going to

work in meetings, you know, live my life. So and but then the younger black people look at the older black people's like, shut up, Boomer, you say you were dumb enough to oh, we could have had our own schools. What I'm doing is die fusing, and unpacking this narrative. So we can move forward, in fact, kind of quite how it was laid out quite the

opposite to what to what we heard earlier. With Baker, two generations, if you if you don't stop this, if you let it go on for the two generations, for everyone to integrate it yet. It's only gonna get two generations worse exponentially. Because that's what we're seeing. It's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, all the way through the generations now and it winds up with what you boomers were stupid, what the next generation will be even worse. And then we have this super weapon called social media.

Yeah. I mean, we're talking about television here. Yeah. Back in the 60s with the media. Now you take this super weapon, and loaded the net and load that super weapon up with this narrative. And we're gonna be what? That's what this Facebook show was talking about. And something I miss from that Facebook show. I mean, not Facebook, excuse me Netflix show. I mean, social media. Yeah, the social. The social dilemma.

Yeah, social dilemma is casting spells. Yes, they actually use that terminology, in which, oh, no, SIBO show, we lay that out, you know, we were from the future do. Um, so what we got to do now is, I spoke about how black people started voting, democratically. And that was with Nixon and JFK and JFK, Bill and Nixon. Now, you know, that kind of thing. But it was a piece of the story I left out on the cutting room floor. So this is kind of like a throwback clip, because it's from the same

piece, but we didn't really examine this portion of it. And this is Jeffrey Frank, a senior editor at the New York at the New Yorker. And he wrote the book, I can dig a portrait of strained political marriage. So he's gonna speak about Richard Nixon MLK,

and it was devastating. The most devastating thing of all for Nixon, by the way, was it was an act of cowardice when doctrine productive King was arrested on a totally trumped up charge, and put in a paddy wagon and in chains to be taken to Roseville prison in Georgia. Coretta Scott King called both campaigns, the Kennedy campaign and Nixon campaign. So would you please help get him out? There was the violence against African Americans in the South in Georgia. That was horrible. And

she really thought he was going to be killed. And Kennedy, Kennedy, people stepped up and Nixon's Nixon told his advisers that I would just be grandstanding to interfere with the legal process and King, it was it. King later said that he had, you know, we were in touch we were I thought we were

friends. And he was it's a real moral, real moral lapse. And, and if and if Nixon had done it, it Kennedy was sitting down with the candidate to send out a campaign flyer that said, no comment Nixon versus the candidate with a heart and that, and if if Nixon had carried the black vote, and he probably he still got 32% of the black vote, unlike when they when they went, Republicans get like 2% of the black vote, but he would have won, he would have won probably would have won at least at least

two more states and everything would have changed and wow. Yeah. Hey, it's a question about this. Who was this again? Who was speaking? That's Geoffrey Frank. He's a senior editor at the New Yorker. You know, I was just listening to his cadence, you know, something that I learned from Dvorak, I guess, and no agenda. But listen to how he spoke. He sounds eerily like John Brennan, the head of the CIA, the same Katie, that was wondering to see

Cain and Ceman. That guy might be a spook, or hang out with him. Well, if he was, Well, speaking of spooks, okay. Yeah. And what we mean by that spies, we don't want to trigger anybody. I mean, because that could be taken the option of spy spookier spies. I know we have to do that though. Because we might have some new listeners and we don't want to, you know, trigger. But it's funny you bring that up because that made me start to think when I heard this clip again. I said why would MLK

think that him and Nixon were friends. That's I mean, that's, that's, that's a stretch like, No, you're just meeting somebody and you're talking about policies or possible political workings? They say he thought that him and Nick's good friend now we know, daddy King Martin Luther King senior. You're saying that had strong ties to the Republican Party, right? But it was just like how well how did Nixon and King King Jr, meet

softhearted started doing some digging, as I always do. And one thing I always say will tell Adam and just let people inside baseball. I said, the longer he gives me to prepare, the better show will be so this is why I always say take a month mode, do whatever you want to go. You just tell me when to show up. We're good. So on this little piece, this little nugget, MLK Nixon won.

This photo of MLK and Richard Nixon was once taboo. Now see it in Tampa by Maggie Duffy Tampa Bay Times, January 17 2020. Griffith J. Davis saw the historic moment happened and clicked his camera. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Emerging civil rights leader fresh off the Montgomery bus boycotts was talking to then Vice President Richard Nixon. They were flanked by their wives Coretta Scott King and Patricia Nixon. It was March 1957. Newly independent Ghana was celebrating with

ceremonies and its capital, Accra. Nixon was there leading the official US delegation, Ghana's Prime Minister, Kwame Nkrumah invited the Kings Davis, an African American audiovisual officer for the US Foreign Service stationed in Africa had been sent to document Nixon's first visit to the continent. During their talk, Nixon invited Dr. King to Washington DC to discuss the civil rights movement. But fears ran high that the image could increase the tension of race relations.

This meeting would have been too volatile to have taken place in the United States, according to the US Department of State's website, Share America and the photo was not published there at the time. The photo is being publicly displayed for the first time in Tampa as part of the exhibition grift Davis and Langston Hughes letters and photographs. 1947 To 1967 global friendship global friendship, this guy Griffin J. Davis. I'm like who is this? I never heard of him before black black men are so

called black man. He doesn't even have a wiki page. He's got a lot of archives of photos but Right, right, and they said in there he was a foreign officer foreign civil officer. He worked with an NSA ID. Which, you know, USA ID basically USA. Yes, USA ID, which I've heard you mentioned before. Yeah. Which is essentially the payment channel for the CIA that they're closely related. USA ID. They're the money guy did the bad guys for bag isn't big for anything that needs to be done.

So as they laid this story out, and it was read by James Jennifer, thank you, Jane. Yes, I'm Jane. Um, as she as she read what was written in think as the Tampa Bay Times, I believe. That was all he was just had Griffin J. Davis just happened to be there and snap the picture that captured this meeting between MLK and Nixon. Well, I've had to go and dig up on the history of Mr. Griffin J. Davis. Yeah. Griffin J. Davis one.

I'm Dorothy Davis. I'm the daughter of Griffith J. Davis, a pioneer African American photographer, journalist and diplomat, slash US Foreign Service officer. I'm here to tell you a bit about his work. But more importantly, I want you to focus on the stories that he told through these different lenses. My father was born in Atlanta, Georgia, literally on the campus of Morehouse College. He ultimately graduated from Morehouse College, he went to World War Two, he was a Buffalo

Soldier in Italy. And he was a photographer there. Okay. Now Griffin, J. Davis is even one that most interested me and that we never heard of, which we should hear of, or maybe he's on the up and up. Or there's something very nefarious about him just being being around. I don't care what you say Mo. A guy like this has no wiki page. That's a problem. Oh, let me let me add to that. Now this is a writing from his

son. It says from a personal perspective, David's parents knew Dr. King and his father has been had been at the original 1963 March on Washington and Selma and 1965. Okay, so this guy's Griffin de j. Griffin J. Davis is popping up. Now he's working for the government. But he's popping up at the marshal in Washington and Selma. They said during a conference presentation, Davis shared rare photos of Dr. King taking a night in the 1950s by his father. It sounds like this guy

was either. And he goes, he was at Morehouse at the same time. That King was there after coming back for work. After being in the military for a while, he comes back tomorrow and she even said he was born at Morehouse. Let's not forget Rockefeller Fund at Morehouse. Yeah, I'm like, Who was this guy to snatch this, this historic picture? But then they don't show it until 2020. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make it makes all the sense to me. But it doesn't make sense. Right? That,

like you say, everybody has a wiki page. Yeah, this guy doesn't. Yeah. And this is and I actually Griffis davis.com. That's probably where you got the link to the Tampa Bay Times. I'm putting that in the show. I'm just putting stuff in the show notes. And yeah, that is, that is a great picture, by the way. That is a great trick. Who else is there? And that's correct. Okay. Yeah, gotcha. Wow. That came out January 1 of 2020. I think it just came out January 7. So people think recovery history

here. And now we're on Earth in New Earth this miss up the new. And it was how I want to remind people that we're not talking about MLK the person this this get this clear. We're talking about MLK the product that how he's used by the media, as a trigger as totos, Bach conquista Judah one foot for the Caucasian liberals have a lot invested in the image of Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King is a trigger that

they use to control American blacks. Remember, remember, whenever American blacks start to get out of control, they bring up Martin Luther King. Because that's how they rein you in. You got to be more like Dr. King, you have to follow his message. Right? You have to want to be with me, you have to want to hold my hand. Once again, Martin Luther King was a pawn of the globalists, they utilize him to bring you black people into

the fold of globalism, aka Luciferianism. The economic system of Luciferianism is communism. So here's the question, though. So this is clearly clearly been put out for a reason. I don't think it's just like, Oh, my we found this. But what's the benefit of Richard Nixon? Who does that benefit? I don't know. And I don't know who's pulling the strings here. And what it seems like here is it to me and this is just my, just my, what I took away from I'm still processing this. It

seems like you had Griffin J. Griffin. J. Davis was like, Hey, you keep an eye on King, you know, make sure he's no, he's not getting around to me radicals. Um, that kind of thing. And you know, when he shows up with Nixon, and that's more a king we can work with inside the parameters of capitalism and Americanism, and not that communist mess that you're being persuaded with. And I think that Griffin J. Davis

kind of lost probably lost his asset. I mean, in a way, because you know, he was I'm sure he was, you know, a Morehouse guy. He's a Morehouse guy. Hey, bro, you know, me kind of thing. You know, the Boulais thing. Yeah, but but I think that that's how he was making and then now, when you have Republicans interested in the black vote again, this Nixon story pops up. I don't know where. Yeah. This is this is I'm just taking it. I mean, I know

it's, I love this and I'm just I'm just looking at this. Oh, his daughter put it out. She's the one that founded the Griffin Griffith J. Davis. Archives.

Yeah, she was the one speaking in and video as well. Um, the last clip that we played right before the Chronicle, Judas went, Yeah, so it's obviously King, daddy King, and mixing the head their relationship but Kenny became through and got him out in a pinch, you know, when he was in a pinch, and I think Nixon just didn't want to be bothered with it because like, who get 30 40% of the black vote and just look how divided the black vote with men. Right? Even then, I mean, Republicans got 30% and

Democrats got 60% Even after getting King on Office. So I mean, just showing you so now we have to Look at the relationship between what we're doing here we're building how they get to integration. And we've seen the media picked up on the story. And now the Kennedys see MLK as a viable resource. So I want to get into a little background on the gentleman who's gonna be speaking next. And that's Mr. Glenn Ford, and this is his bio. Now joining us to talk about Kennedy is Glenn Ford. Glenn is

the executive editor of Black Agenda Report. He was the founder and host of America's Black Forum, the first nationally syndicated black news interview show on commercial television. He's also the author of The Big Lie and analysis of US media coverage of the Grenada invasion. Thanks very much for joining us again, Glenn. Oh, man, that's another thing I need to look at the Grenada invasion. Thanks for reminding me. Well, this is where we got to be careful about color and colorism

and, you know, saying who's black and not black? Because when you see Mr. Glen Ford, he's very fair skinned. But all his life he even though he's a Marxist, I mean, he's self proclaimed Marxist. But he's not a cultural Marxists, like the people of today. He's like the old school Marxist, which I mean, we disagree on that ideology. You know, I'm a capitalist, and in the true sense of it, not the corporatist form that we have now. But if you can buy one for sale for

two, best man wins kind of thing. Um, with that said, he gets into this notion that Kennedy brothers thought that the civil rights movement was a nuisance, as best showing a paint a picture and your view of the world as Kennedy campaigns and becomes president.

Well, you know, it's generally understood that 1960s, the year that blacks of the Democratic Party got a lock on the black vote, many people seem to think that happened just by magic, because of the Kennedy charm or because the Kennedys were such a

quintessential liberals. And of course, they were not. But it's much more more complicated than that, although the black voter had been leaning democratic in those places where blacks could vote since Roosevelt's era, many blacks were still Republicans, and the Democratic Party was still weighted down with the

Dixiecrats, the racist Democrats from the south. And in 1952 and 1956, when at least Stephens Stevenson was running for president as the as the Democrat, that didn't change and the National Party did not distance itself from an increasingly vocal and racist and white power structure down there. So the Kennedys, you know, they saw MLK for what he was a way to make inroads with the black vote, right. And the funny thing is now, it's like we're at the complete opposite of the

spectrum. You had two Republicans who pretty much had the black vote. And they took it for granted, and it hurt him. Now, in 2020, you have the Democrats who have the black vote, and they're taking it for granted. Something like that. We're all saying someone can easily swoop in with some kind of deal. Yep. So kind of gesture, and and destabilize that. So well, Marianne Williamson tried. Which I will say again, Marianne Williamson's plan sounds a lot like Trump's plan.

It's the same amount of money now it's just number he put it he put a platinum or platinum sticker on it. Yeah, he put it you put the platinum on it. And I want to say one more thing. 1957 is going to be a key year because let's think back, that's when Nixon and MLK met. So it seemed like they were grooming this relationship for three years. And that's probably why MLK was like, Dude, you're gonna leave

me Leave me hanging in jail. And so when the candies came along, he's like, I gotta get out of jail, because let's be clear, his life was in danger. Yeah, being in jail. I mean, you could wake up dead very easily in jail where he was in Georgia. Um, but let's get into Kennedy brothers to in 1957. With the desegregation of Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas, something really extraordinary happened. Crowds of 1000s of white folks, many of them, women tried to block the

integration of the school. They scream, they hollered, they threatened, they cursed and all of that was done in front of national television cameras, a very, very embarrassing situation for the President of the United States who was trying to a I project the US in opposition to Soviet competition as being such a liberal place to live and the home of democracy and the land of the brave and such. And it was very embarrassing. So Eisenhower sent in troops to Little Rock in

1957. And this had a tremendous impact on black public opinion. Because this was the first time since Reconstruction, that the federal government had intervened on the side of black people. Eisenhower's stock went up in black America, sky high. And so as we move into the 1960, presidential election, there was great fear among the Democrats, you know, it's going to be a

very tight race. That Holy Nixon Eisenhower was vice president now hitting the ticket may inherit some of that tremendous goodwill that Eisenhower got, because of his intervention in Little Rock. In 1957, ah, you know, nothing good ever comes out a little rock. Always troubled Little Rock. Amazing. Amazing. I have some of the best barbecue I've ever had in my life from Little Rock. Little Rock, you know, it's just this weird mass. Like there's just some notable things that happened there.

And notice the year 1957. So now we have Ike sitting in on the federal troops in 1957. Until Little Rock at the same time MLK is meeting with Nixon so that they have this thing pretty much sewed up. Except for they fumbled the ball. They fumbled the ball at the one yard line by not getting king I don't know if that's because they looked at King like let he's not a major figure or, and you know what they really underestimated. They

under missed underestimated the power of his father. His father had juice and Atlanta with the black churches. Now, do you think that even back then they considered it didn't really matter? Because as long as they had the image of MLK didn't really have to have the man himself. No, well, I think they said well, we stepped in and Little Rock. We met King and 57. He's cool. We don't it's let's not upset our white voters. And I'm just like, I'm getting us out of

their head. Let's not upset our white voters by not overplaying our hand. But we still have good favor. Now. I'm thinking how to Republican and thinking. And they left the door wide open. If I'm just putting myself in King singer shoes. Well, we've talked about him and I think there's some things going on with him in the background, but and his trip to Nazi Germany in 1933. But, you know, that's another story for another day. I think when he

was like you left my son hanging in jail. Ah, that doesn't speak much foreign relationship. No, no, I just think the Republicans like we've done so much. What more do you want us to do? And that opened the door for candidate to come right in. And it was said and this has been quoted from King senior. He said, um, my and I'm paraphrasing here, but it was that basically my daughter Coretta is crying. And he was like Candis, what can you do? And they made the call to get

King on scene from King Jr. out of jail. And that gave M. King senior, the motivation to go out of sway the whole South black vote to Kennedy can let's not forget the three peat people on the wall. MLK, yep. JFK, yep. And Jesus of the wide variety

Yeah. That's who's on black people's wall. So that that speaks that lets you know how strong the narrative of the Kennedys was to the black community at the time wow, that's so more narrative narrative is so much analogy and so much so recognizable to Yeah, what is narrative because as Glenn for is laying out in the title of the this is the YouTube title of the show. I got it from the Kennedy brothers thought the civil rights movement was a nuisance as best I mean, he's a very steady

people. That he's like, God, I got it. What me? I'm just taking liberties here but didn't get him out of jail enough. Obviously, it wasn't because I mean, King wants civil rights and integration. That was the big ask of their civil rights was integration. And let's get into I guess, part three. Certainly. This, this issue of their attitude towards the civil

rights movement they get. They mean JFK and RFK get a lot of credit towards promoting and being sort of the beginning of support for the civil rights movement and the legislation that then came under Johnson. And they get that basically is there at the beginning of the sort of modern version of Democratic Party liberalism. You don't buy that? No, I don't buy that. And the literature actually shows that both Kennedy brothers saw the Civil Rights Movement as a

nuisance at best. Remember, the the FBIs spy campaign against Martin Luther King, begin under Robert Kennedy's watch, he was aware of it and as tight as those two brothers were they talked about everything together, that we can assume that John Kennedy was also aware that the FBI was not only spying on Martin Luther King, but was trying to destroy his reputation that the FBI had King in its sights.

The March on Washington, Kennedy considered a kind of a victory for himself of literature at any rate, says that they considered a good example of managed protests and that they negotiated with the leaders of the civil rights movement to keep the protests contained. What is that story? Yeah, that's a Black Lives Matter of version. Oh, point one. I love this. I'm learning all kinds of things today. But the overarching thing is it's not about what's true. It's

about who has been stronger narrative. Who has the stronger story who has the ties with the media, right, and the media is pushing. I mean, they loved they loved JFK, how about this for a sec, Griffin? Griffin? Griffith Davis. He worked for he worked for ebony. Yep. So awesome. Family. Yep. And I'm sure that it was important to have someone who had that connection and could perpetrate narrative through those channels. You know, you know who I see him as, and I brought his name up

before but we really haven't gotten to him. It's the guy named Gordon Parks. And Gordon Parks also worked for the government, the government, little bit little be known to the public. But he was the one that will follow route MLK, some of the most iconic, not invulnerable, Malcolm, Malcolm X. And Muhammad Ali. Some of the iconic pictures from new came from Garden parks, and he was represented as a figure in American Gangster as the guy with the big mustache. Give me

Frank Lucas, the all device. So this I think, Griffin date Jay Davis was the counter or the No, the opposite, but equal to garden parks. Go great garden parks books very, very, I used to have a lot of respect for him until I found out that he did a lot of snooping and spying and his camera was always in the right place at the right time. Just like Griffin, J. J. Davis has just an aside. But let's not forget, Hoover was operating

under Kennedy, if I'm not mistaken. And that was the ultimate why you know, it's Hoover it is doing an investigation of King not Kennedy. So that allow people to even though Cooper was a black man, black man just waiting for that one to pop up. Yeah, I had to do it. While he was and by the way, for people who are new to the show, Mo Do you remember what episode that wasn't one of the early ones pre 20. That was the color that was the color is my hours. I have to do

better about then. They weave in and out so much that it was it was the colorism when I believed it, I laid that story out. But um, yeah, so that was the that was the good Kennedy outdoor, it's Hoover, you know, Hoover Hoover, the one who was investigating Marcus Garvey and go down the list. You know, it wasn't tweet Kennedy. Yeah, I mean, black people love JFK. Seriously, I mean, my I mean, you could ask a lot of black

people where are you at with champion naked? They were they were emotionally and psychologically impacted by, you know, by his death. And actually Obama had a lot of remorse reminded a lot of people Kennedy and Kennedy, as we say, Kennedy esque features. Yes, that's it. That's it. And just the way you carry yourself with, you know, the wife and the kids and that kind of thing. Very, very, very good politicians. But With that said, I guess we could wrap up with Glen Ford and part four,

and it was a high profile management. So high profile management that Malcolm X called it the Farsan, Washington and railed constantly against those big six leaders, as he called the Civil Rights pantheon of the time, allowing themselves to be manipulated by the white Democrat in the White House and allowing Kennedy to put the cream in the coffee, as Malcolm used to put it, whatever was judges their intent or motivation, where there's

some positive accomplishments of the Kennedy administration in terms of either civil rights or social equality legislation. Well, he did pass a modest, I believe it was by executive order update of existing very modest civil rights apparatus,

but no, nothing substantial. He's usually credited with creating the tone of cooperation, of non hostility that would allow the Civil Rights forces to organize without the federal government being a big obstacle so that the effort could be concentrated on the real opposition downtown. So if you notice, even the interviewer and I catch his name, he tries to redeem Kennedy because this guy Glenn Ford, just shot it. We shot him with the castle Canyon, basically.

Um, because he's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, Kennedy, we got to save the imagery, you know, he's still a viable tool, which I will say this knowledge just come to my mind. I haven't seen Kennedy that much anymore. And you're good pilot. Cool. Good point. Is it costly is problematic due to the women or people actually no worries about due to race? I mean, cuz I mean, you used to that was no, he was brought up every four years. And even Presidents Day was more like about Kennedy, but you don't

hear much about him anymore. But also did Obama really refer to Kennedy that much? No, I don't think so. either. He might he was compared to him. But I think perhaps the idea was to always to have to have a new Kennedy and that's what Obama was supposed to be. Oh, swap swap it out. Yeah, yeah, it makes more sense chocolate Kennedy, Kennedy, chocolate cover Kennedy and you got still alive. You know, we can still parade them out and get them to do stuff for us.

Got it. Speaking of let's pick up where Glenn for left off and he mentioned Malcolm X and the black coffee analogy with cream so I guess let's go and listen to that clip. It's just like when you got some coffee that's too black. Which means it's too strong. What you do you integrate it with cream make it weak. If you put too much cream in you won't even know you ever had coffee. It used to be hot, it becomes cool.

It used to be strong it becomes weak. Used to wake you up to put you to sleep this is the point this is the danger of too much integration because they become co opting. It's like yeah, let's come in on now we're going to tell you how to run it. But one of the greatest pieces of art that was used to push a narrative of integration and we covered this before I think in the same episode with no man no man in the house, but white flight that

was episode 14. Right? This is A Raisin in the Sun plot summary one in Lorraine Hansberry is Raisin in the Sun. A younger family of five lives in a tiny dark infested apartment on Chicago's South Side sometime between 1945 and the president of 1959. The whole family eagerly awaits a $10,000 life insurance check for the work related death of big Walter Mama's husband and the family's patriarch Walter Lee younger, a dissatisfied

chauffeur in his mid 30s wants to invest in a liquor store. In the introduction, he mentions news of another bombing and he talks finances with his wife Ruth, Ruth and beneatha Walters younger sister, both recognized mama The one in charge of the insurance money. As the rising action begins, Walter tries to convince her to finance his investment, but Mama's against selling liquor. She wants to support beneath his plan to attend medical school. She's also thinking about buying a

house. The family encourages beneatha to pursue her wealthy suitor George Murchison, but beneath a find some shallow. Another suitor Nigerian classmate, Joseph a soggy helps beneath to explore her African heritage. The check arrives, and Ruth reveals she's pregnant with an unplanned child. To Mama's dismay, Ruth has scheduled an abortion. In the climax, Mama uses part of the settlement money to make a down payment on

a house. Ruth is at first overjoyed, but then shocked to learn the houses in Clyburn Park, a white neighborhood lot to unpack in that clip. So we have this 1950s Play and it ended up coming up becoming a movie. Sidney Poitier a Yeah, play a very, very famous and just for a little inside baseball, my dad actually played the role of Walter in a rendition that the community center. And he made he went he went all in on it. Like he did a great job. I gotta give him

credit on that. But that's why this story resonates with me so much one, you got to look at it in that time, we're talking about abortion. Yeah, we're talking about the the masculine of the male figure. You're educating the woman. And obviously Walter wanted to create his own own business. He's like, Mom, let me open a liquor store. You know, she's like, Nah, we want to invest in your sister education. Now fast forward, we see the same thing. It's like, go get education,

don't start a business. And then we're gonna take the abortion thing, which I'll pass on that. And then finally, is that oh, yeah, we want to integrate. We want to go over to this this area where nobody wants this. And this. This help with that. casting of this spell of immigration will solve all our problems, which of course, it's exactly the opposite. Yeah, let me let me kind of say something. One thing real quick.

When I say immigration, I'm talking about force. Yes. state sanction immigration, I want to be clear equality and equity, equality quotas, equity quotas, this is the same thing. Correct? Yes. Why are we going to bust you over here we need to, if people want to be together, they're going to be together, because we saw that from the route Rothstein clips, that people that had to work together, they may actually live closer to each other because they live close their their job.

This is really the community that way, it's very important for for the times we live in right now, because no one is looking at the record of integration. Forced togetherness, let's just call it that way. And this is exactly what Black Lives Matter and Inc, and the wokeness is calling for is we need a quota, we need to have more black people, we have to have so many brown people so many X, X, Y and Z in the organization in the school in the in the neighborhood.

Right. And the thing is, I'm not even anti affirmative action. I think that the way it's done is crazy, because one that was really supposed to be a tangible for black people, so called black people to make up for the ills of what happened pre previous to that, but then it was hijacked. Anyone who's a minority, I'm a minority, okay, you get affirmative action, right? And then to the problem, what I find with it is you shouldn't lower the standards for certain groups. No, no, no, no, it

should be. If you want to do off population, this group is 13% of the population, if you have 13% that meet the criteria, that the other you know, was at 83 87% has to meet in fine, you should leave those spots open. Because if you just do it by the sheer mathematics, there should be 13% of their representation in that you know, exactly qualified to represent them. Now, I don't I don't I don't I am adamant about lower. I mean, I mean against

lowering the standards, because I Oh, you're black. Well, you only need a 1200 an essay t what is that? I mean, really the most pervasive form of racism that rises today, right there is the lower expectations is the lower expectation that is a huge problem. It's the literal, literal definition of racism because it shows that you think lower of that person by race. And what it causes anxiety for people that actually earn their

cell wiring their way into their position. Me being one of them, because now I had to prove myself that I belong here, you would think it'd be the opposite but no, it's like when you walk into a room and these spaces, and first thing people might think is, oh, he's talking, you know, he, I don't know why he's here. And no, I earned my way everywhere I went. And it's very counterproductive when you have those lower standard. We'll do a

show on that. But I just want to show you that how this shaped the minds of black people like oh, yeah, if we could just move away from my own. Right, everything. I think it'd be great. Yeah, not not so much. But let's wrap up with the second part of the plot summary, Mrs. Johnson. The neighbor stops by excited for the youngers move, but also scared of the violence the likely face from Chicago is white folks. Walter stops going to work and he drinks. When mama ceases deterioration, she gives him

control over the remainder of the money. She tells him to put some aside for beneath his education, and to decide himself what to do with the rest. We see an immediate change in Walter and Ruth decides to keep her baby while the youngers excitedly pack. Carl Lindner visits a white representative of the Clyburn Park welcoming committee in the falling action and uncomfortable but polite Lindner says he wants to start a dialogue. But it's soon clear the neighborhood residents want

to buy back the House to prevent integration. Walter Ruth and beneatha angrily reject the offer and ask Lindner to leave. Soon after. Walters fellow investor Bobo reports that Willie Harris has skipped town with their investment money. Walters as well as beneath a share. And raged mama begins to beat Walter. The family now in need of cash consider staying in

the apartment. And upbeat, hopeful a soggy debates the possibility of progress with beneatha as I asked her to move with him to Africa, to work with him to help improve the lives of his people. at his lowest, Walter calls Carl Lindner to accept the buyout beneath us ready to disown her brother. But Mama insists Walter needs their love now more than ever. In the resolution. Walter instead tells Lindner, they plan to move into the house after all, as movers load the truck. Bonita says

she's thinking about going to Africa. Mama tells Ruth that Walter has finally come into his manhood with hope, as well as dark uncertainty about integration. The play closes with the youngers vacating their apartment and going to their new house. Yeah. Yeah, this episode 14 is a good one, by the way, because this was a clip thrown thrown back to that it's a good episode, listen to it. They're all great, but I just remember how much I enjoyed that one.

But this just reaffirmed even back in the 1950s, the black man was the bottom of the bottom. Do you have who was supposed to be the patriarch of the family? He's treated like a child. Yeah. Even his mama beat him. It's like, like, and you know, he couldn't do anything, right. And his sister was gonna be the savior of the family. But this this, this play was written by a huge feminist. But not going to go there. Well, I'm just saying that these are the arts and we you start to see how Black Lives

Matter. Pink leadership was picked? It was Oh, yeah. These are the kind of type of women we want to be. Yeah, these are the type of women we want out front. It's the same thing. Who wrote this? Who wrote this play? Yeah, these are the kinds of ideas we want to push going into the 1960s. But fine, I mean, moving on. We have Dr. Amos Wilson. He's very popular. He was very popular on the black speaking circuit, the one I mentioned before that happened in bookstores and, and things of

this nature and an author. And he's going to talk to he's the title of this is assimilation and m s simulation and multiculturalism. But what he's going to talk about is the power of a fantasy within the individual emotionally use an ideology, which places the individual in places every survival in question that you're dealing with an individual who has been taken over and possessed by to look at people in their ideologies, and look at what

place they are. The ideology The reality of this circumstances is the kind of things we deal with the psychologist everyday people who come in with fantasies and beliefs, viciously, ideologies. And yet those fantasies, beliefs, ideologies are depressing, destroy their families, make it impossible for them to realize themselves and to achieve what they potentialities would allow them to achieve. Where they are. His games. Yeah, true words.

So what he said was it clip the clips a little bit his words off because the things was taken off a VHS. And I want to say one thing. This is why a platform like YouTube is so valuable, because they allow people to upload these videos that were taken back in the 1980s, early 80s, mid 80s. And, you know, be recorded in history. If it wasn't for that, it'd be probably on somebody's VHS tape VHS tape stashed away. So I want to say that, but that's why I was little, that's why it was a

little choppy, I just want to find the clip quality. But what he was saying was these people that are presents, his words, not mine, possessed by these fantasies is very unhealthy. And that's what you are you alluded to earlier that that's the problem going on today. Because like, oh, you know, we need to, you know, we have 4.3 black people, we need to have four point 4.3 Black this or that, and that. And it's like, no,

that's not how it works. That's not reality. And when you try to hit them with reality, or a logic, it's like, I don't know, something is very jarring, very jarring it just because it's embedded deep in the psyche. And I think we come back to the social dilemma. Here's an example. I'll tell ya, this is just my personal example. So I've been looking at Coronavirus from day one. I've looked at all the numbers, I've made my conclusions and you can listen

to me on a no agenda. And you know that I'm really not all that worried about it. Certainly not now. So we have a big meet up in Vegas tomorrow, and it's going to be 7580 people there. And lo and behold, through my mind goes this still a thought going? Oh crap. Will this be a super spreader event even though I know the true numbers and the likelihood etc? Because I've been inundated with stuff from the media. So yeah, it's toxic. It's very. It's spells as you would say.

That is I mean, because what spells does is? It's magic in one sense and magic. In another sense. Well, magic me in the illusion, since we know that there's not a rabbit in that hat. Yes, true. But when you see it done, it's like, wow. But how do you pull that rabbit out? Not where did he get that rabbit from our brain doesn't go there. I mean, for most people, it's just like, wow, they caught up in the wow factor. And that's what you're

saying that these little things and even myself. That's why I go on and off social media, I'll go check and see what's going on and not come off of it. Because it has a sticking effect. Their their tools are so powerful. Their narrative is so well. Woven, that I go back to what the lady said, Now this is a newscaster she understand how the media works. And she just regurgitate verbatim what the guy had just came on and said,

Oh, 100 years we would we made progress 100 years earlier. And she does verbatim in regard to takes it back to him. Yeah, if I can, if I can, if I can interject, I have no belief whatsoever that the news lady knows how hypnotizing the messages or news is there. When I was at MTV, I wasn't thinking about that at all. And we just deceived all the time for small reasons. You don't know when you're part of the machine, you don't realize it. But is that even more of a sale? It's worse.

It's worse. Yeah. Yes, they're there even either you can place it or a bigger victim than the people in the general public. Is that a fair? Yes. And that's why you see because you want to believe yes, but that's why you see Cheryl as my son and and all these these former news, readers, leaving starting podcasts because they're disillusioned and they realize that they were part of the problem. Interesting. And that's why We do not pat ourselves on the back

as a public service. Because we don't come here to solve problems or, or we are not come with solutions to things that nature, what we do is say, hey, this, I'm gonna speak for myself, I can't speak for you let people understand what both sides are saying. And let them decide for yourself. That's all I wanted. I don't want to sway anybody one way or the other.

But what you have to do is you have to one side is so good at the narrative or the narrative, you're so strong, that you have to spend more time digging that know, the core out, it's like, we have to get to the core. So people can say, Okay, now understand what that solder sounds stand with that solid stand, and you use your own brain to figure out which side you want to align with. And that's why I'm saying about integration. Separate break was not even given a chance or a choice, period.

So from from my perspective, of course, the stories and the the narrative that I've heard and I was raised with, I'm I'm very open, because of what I've been doing for the past 15 years, I'm very open to other history, alternative histories or histories that are not the same. So for me, as I'm coming here, I'm here to listen, if I can, if I can tell you what my experience was, or how I how I experienced something. But I

feel like this has been such a super education. And we are we are following along with the nudge, or the spell of Malcolm X. Who said this? Well, probably just before I was even born first, the white man and the black men have to be able to sit down at the same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his mind

without hurting the feelings about negro. And the so called Negro has to feel free to speak in the mind without hurting the feeling of the white man, then they can bring the issue that are under the rug or on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way we'll ever do it.

And that is exactly what it is. And I love playing that every single time because he reminds me, it's about not triggering, that's, it's not so much about, here's what I think, you know, I need to be able to listen, you and you should not have to worry for a second. Like when I was six years old, when we told the story on one of the first shows, and my parents had colleagues of theirs coming over and black family. And we were excited me and my sister My sister was very, but I was excited like,

oh, this be cool. And, and you know, they showed up and you know, suit and tie and wouldn't say anything and pay and we'd both been screwed by parents. We both got some kind of story and we never connected. Because you were to tell me oh, well, here's what my mom would tell me just before we went in to see those white folks. And here's how you don't embarrass me. And then on the other side of that, I mean, just shot me right

there. Now you understand what the black family was going through is like we don't want to seem like slum people. Yes, of course. And it's the end. It's the stupidity of just not being able to communicate. And so being worried, which is one of the biggest problems with today's youth use with the youth is triggering, make sure you don't trigger anybody, when sometimes you just need to push through it to get down to

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Oh, wait, wait a minute is our birthday so we know everybody gets on their birthday. Don't you have cars they always give me a biscuit on my birthday. There you go. Nothing like butter biscuit. Now moving on to our first executive producer of episode number 51. This is from Kyle Dietz. 333 33 The magic numbers reigned supreme in the morning, mon Adam been listening since episode one have not been paid, but have not been paying my podcast support. Please de deadbeat me.

Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. I have wondered. Kyle continues what has brought the so called black community to where it is today as the mainstream narrative didn't quite make sense. I had heard pieces here and there but your weekly Malcolm X in quotes, Malcolm X talks have brought it together into cohesive narrative, which makes so much more sense and can unite us instead of divide. Yes,

it's so and it turns out to be really easy. As long as you just agree Hey, whatever I say don't get triggered by it and we were we're old guys so we wouldn't get triggered by any stuff

anyway, but that's what it takes. I humbly request baby making mo karma with a goat twist as my smokin hot wife and I attempt to expand our family keep doing I presume this says keep doing the work let me see us any more here I just lost it here on the spreadsheet this is Excel does keep doing the work thank you for your courage sir cow the fearless Jedi Knight of the orange fleet.

Okay perfect. Yes of course we got some baby making mo karma mo calm with that extra extra touch of goats can't go wrong with a little bit of goat let me just expand my spreadsheet here again there we go. Onward to serve Stokes in the sea. What is what is his name here still Stokes in the oh my god, I'm sorry. I seem to have unformatted everything unsuccessfully I got it sir Stokes in the Plymouth Canalis Paladin. He began with Mo and Adam wanted to share some personal and they just sent us

$250 Thank you. We want to share some personal experiences I think could be relevant to the show always love this. I get this as a bit of Warren Piece overs too long. Please don't feel obligated to read on the show. Now we'll we'll go through it. I'm about the same age as Adam and I am a white male. I was reared through my formative years in Massachusetts up until junior high. My family then moved to Kentucky where I finished junior high and went through high school and

colleges. The transition period was when there was an emphasis on American history and my education in Massachusetts being a highly academia oriented state. Yes, MIT all kinds of places. Harvard curriculum content for that age group was about a year or two ahead of the same group in Kentucky. As a result, I went through the teachings of American history from two perspectives, which turned out to be quite different and quite enlightening. In Massachusetts, I was taught that

narrative. I love how people are using the term narrative a lot today, I was taught that perfect. I was taught the narrative that we hear in media today where Lincoln was the savior of the slaves. Interestingly, interestingly, in Kentucky, I was taught much more of what Moe was sharing in Episode 50, which I think is more factually accurate. This may seem somewhat counterintuitive, as you might expect the south to spin story with contrary but similar bias

versus what the North shared. The at least what I perceive of less biased view, may be partially due to the fact that Kentucky was somewhat of somewhat of a cusp state in the Civil War period as opposed to being considered a true southern state. A perspective that lives on with many identify slash

discuss the southern states even today. We're Kentucky is frequently omitted from the list there the one thing that stuck with me says I've continued to monitor is how the appropriation of words and symbols to shapes, symbols to shape people's thinking is so manipulative, yes, politically motivated. It's always been troubling to me. But I think it's important for people to recognize now he goes through a whole bunch of examples, which would really take quite a long time. But

luckily, he gave us room to edit. So I'm going to edit to when he says, this is a long winded way to say thanks for the content, you're sharing monad and much like no agenda, it confirms the perspectives I've held based on my own experiences aren't crazy as the media would have one belief. And you're so right. And I feel this too. It's opened my eyes to additional contemporary things that aligned to what I've learned in my youth in overtime. It's healthy. And I've asked my children now about

most age I don't think I could have been your dad Mo. He, I think, I think he's putting me at a much, much older bracket, but I, I appreciate it. Hey, maybe your children's

maybe most children at your children's age. Anyway, I've asked my children to listen to a couple of specific episodes in hopes that it will admit them open their eyes wider and ideally help them understand more of the foundation that leads to meet having many of my perspectives, this all being in stark contrast to what they're being taught in academia in Massholes. Yes, I've relocated back and forth for the family reasons over those vassals, I like that. Thank you very much.

Do you both keep up the great work, please. Debt meet. Congratulations. You're no longer a dead bee and his show lineage is MTB, PC Magazine, daily source code twit cranky geeks no agenda, Rogen mo facts and good luck. He says with that acronym I'm not even going to try. And he says Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Did you just do that on the fly? What show lineage? No, he says it right here in his note. I like that. It's good, isn't it? Yeah,

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his song wash us in the blood. While the music video is highly controversial and teeming with provocative footage and symbolism there seems to be a concerted effort to suppress the video by YouTube. The videos been age restrict history restricted. Well, cardi B's Whap is not. The view count has been frozen at about 9 million views for two weeks now. And many people who watch a lot of videos about Kanye and Travis Scott couldn't find this video and their recommendations or

sidebar. They had to manually search for it. Well, I'd love to hear and analysis of all the symbolism and references in the song I wanted to first bring up the controversy surrounding the video. I rewatched that interview where Kanye goes on Kanye goes on a rant about woke culture and he says I've been killed so many times. And this seems like yet another attempt

at either have you heard about the issue? Also, can I get a D deadbeat and the Pelosi try On Pelosi jobs combo, you are crossing over on that, but I think we can do that and they see. Congratulations. You're no longer dead. The Do you want to? Well, I find the Pelosi Trump jobs karma. Sure. I'm gonna say it's so suppressed. I haven't even heard this video. Really? That's yet really that's why I'm like,

What? What video? Yeah, I'm gonna have to go look at that because, I mean, I have a lot of Kanye on my playlist and it shouldn't be recommended you would think me especially when that should be something which to be suggested to me. I think I'm at the right age level. Yeah, age level and interest. So yeah, that definitely suppressing this. But that's also that's also weird because you're a Kanye

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welfare state and no man in the house. Been around since the 40s 50s and 60s and no one is asking, how do we get men back in the house? MO You suggested the possibility that the powers that be don't want a man in the home as it feeds to the prison industrial complex. I'd like to suggest an alternative possibility. In 2020 men and women and women men can can give birth to children, biological men and young women are participating in women's sports and so on. Any objection to any

of these views is hate speech. Is it now transphobic transphobic to or to suggest that a child needs a man in the home or they need a father in their life? Well, I wouldn't say it's transphobic. But for short, it's being pushed against hard.

No one could have known it in the 40s when they push men out of the home that 80 years later we'd be redefining what it means to be a man woman Father, have the less views on gender and trans issues painted themselves into a corner where they cannot advocate for a man in the home lest they be labeled transphobic or sexist. Josh Jackson. I'll take that Josh. I'll answer

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clips from a couple of gentlemen. And then a couple of leaders followed, understand following the gentleman speaking. And one of them is this. The first gentleman is a teacher from Farmville, Virginia. And he's going to speak about his specific experiences with the Board of Education. He is actually from farm village, Virginia, where you know, where Brown versus Board of Education had a big

rolling. So I guess we can get into separate but equal one, when I first heard about integration, and heard that may possibly one day be the, you know, the way things would go, I had very mixed feelings about it. I was no more anxious to mingle with white people, than I'm sure many of them were anxious to mingle with me. I felt the same reservations, the same prejudices, I guess, I'm amazed to say that any of them felt, you know. So I was not at all thrilled over the prospect.

But as time went on, I began to realize that possibly this was, after all, the only way that the terrible injustice is could be somewhat alleviated. And so more and more began to favor the idea of integration. But I think many black people felt just as I did, they really didn't want any parts of white people, they would have preferred if it were, you know, I've often thought, if separate but equal had been a reality, you'd never had an integration struggle.

Isn't it interesting? He's the educate? Yeah, that's just isn't it? Interesting? How, if you just let people know, where do black and white men come together, sports, sports at a bar, you know, where you're hanging out? The minute you force it, it's like, Why, where's that's where friendships are made. The friendships are made in the in the, in the casual sense, at least, that's my experience.

In and when you let down your you, everybody has reservations and the reservations really come from the media and what you think you know about somebody? How can you know about somebody if you don't know a person is so as self feeding. And as he said, he had prejudices itself. And the reason why it's such a big deal to me, these are things I've heard, older people say is like we had, and it's not about not being around other people. We you have to understand when they ship my dad off to his

school, the school he left from and yeah, close down. Yeah. That's so his children, they get a chance to go to his alma mater, you know, his children didn't get to, you know, go through the play for high school football, who you play high school football for these things that have real life impacts. And then you just jam people together, which just jam people

together in any sense. Any, you know, since the process is negative, because if you're forcing people to be together now, and I want to say this, this is the portion where we might get labeled as segregationist, or blah, blah, blah, but we don't care. Because what we're trying to do is Foster, how can we be segregationist when we're doing an integrated podcast? I mean, come on, put your head. But we

came together because we wanted to talk to each other. You know what, you have an interesting perspective, I have an interesting perspective. Let's have a conversation about it. And guess what? People want to hear it. We didn't say all this coming this season, you know, black versus white, what will he say its crown pro contract. What? Yeah, exactly. It's coffee and cream. Every Mac and jacket here at you know, it's nothing. That is we actually talk more about what we

have in common and the things that divide us. And you fill in a lot of gaps for me, and hopefully, I'll fill in a lot of gaps for you. And what is the what is the number one thing the number one thing that I think always connects us, our families and our kids. We don't talk about them on the air. But you know, believe me, we're like, stupid kids, man. Can you believe this kid? And that's the kind of stuff we talk about. And the fear of where we see these things headed. I mean, you

hit on a key point there. I gotta give you one of those because you hit on a key point. What is The World gonna be that our kids inherit if we keep on this same cycle that we're headed. Where does this end? Are you going to race me? Are you going to race Adam? I mean, like, or are we going to be so are my kids gonna be so racially charged up and you're so racially charged up it they're anxious around each other camera conversation. Now we need to tell which we're trying to tear

down. These things that put up to the bitis integration wasn't really to bring us together was really to to erase one or the other or both. I mean, if you have sinister you want to get to it. But yeah, um and we're hitting it straight straight from these people's mouths and let me not stand in the way and I will say one thing doesn't this guy site red fox does very much very much like red fox as they get into number two, right people would have been I think would have been very, very

satisfied to maintain but just make sure it's equal. And that's where the problem are Milton high schooler a joke man with a couple of tarpaper shacks, which will unsightly and compared to the farm bill high school, you know, this, this the idea of separate books. So, so torn apart. In one case, a friend of mine is supposed to teach chemistry man, the only books he could get. He had shreds and particles with pieces of books. And by linking up in his classroom, these paths out what

he had. By linking up together the kids were then able to, to get together enough material to these books had been discarded by the white high school some years before and passed on to the black school. Now this points out the the weakness and the corruption of the principal who was blocked this teacher friend and not knowing the chain of commands a brand new teacher went to the superintendency liquid liquid network, I can work with that. How can I teach chemistry with this junk and

immediately got a brand new set of books to his classroom. Now, the point of this is that principal could also have done that, but it was better for the principal to report a surplus. It didn't happen. Oh, gosh. That's like, Is that amazing? Yeah. That's lame. So tip no, but he was so indoctrinated with fear. Yeah, that he wouldn't even go ask for the resources that he needed. So he was seeing like a good principle and that he was doing his job. So what

was your job? We really have to ask these questions. And like I said, I don't want to make this a gender, not gender, but generational war. But in certain circumstances, we have to ask, is this the best deal you could have gotten? Yeah, I mean, like serious. Think about this. There's books. And I'll say this. The problem with this is if the so called white people are earmarking money aside and having books available, and nobody has come picking them up. What does that look like to

them? Yeah, it's like yeah, I don't care. So then it feeds into the narrative that oh, yeah, they don't want to do better. And then here's this guy all he's got to do with ads for books and he can get him but he's on I'll let our kids use scraps. I mean, scraps my dog I said my dad told me I had to hear it from this gentleman my dad was saying they were had to go to school like a week early to help the teachers putting the

books together. Together Yeah, pages missing go look for ignore this or that, you know, you know, books, whole sections come out. They will have to mend them back together and yet and still, the resources were there. So this is the Boulais gatekeepers. This is why I harp so hard. I'm gonna Boulay. They say what they think their keepers want to hear. It's like yes, no balls, you know, yeah, well, no one no books balls we do. I'm fine over

here. But at the at the detriment of the children they posed to be represented, but that mo that's gotta be trauma, historical trauma that people have grown up with to think that way. I wouldn't say historical trauma because when we did the corona episode, remember the higher ups? Yeah, they were saying why are you putting them on a ventilator? Because that's what higher up said, Why are you doing this because what the

higher is not. I'm not saying that's not part of it. Right, but just do keep status quo hierarchy. or go along? Yeah, yeah, they just go, Well, I don't want to make any waves. I don't want to, you know, that's killing people. That's what the German said in in the late 30s. We, we didn't know we're just following orders. And they can hate ya. See where it had that? Sometimes you have to question these things. Sometimes you have to question What's the motive here?

Yeah. Why? Why don't you want to go get books. But let's not let's wrap up with the last clip from the gentleman from Farmville, I could say to non instance and vulnerable at the same kind of thinking it's better to report a surplus at the end of the year, thus protecting myself and make myself if a boy downtown, then to go down and ask for material that absolutely desperately needed by the children just passed and look at the physical plants would have told you what a fallacy What a joke What a

hoax separate, but it was, there's no way in the world that any reasonable person could compare Mountain High School, as I said, a small brick building maybe four, maybe five classrooms, supplemented by two tarpaper shacks, which were ugly

and unsightly. There's no way where you could have compared that with Farmville high school that look at Noten the, the the outlying buildings were heated by wood stoves and one of the teachers in addition to teaching classes, in addition to driving the school bus had the additional responsibility of keeping the fires going in these buildings at the white high school to have a janitor. I mean, the disparity was just ridiculous. There's absolutely no, no separate, but it was

separate. All right. And very, on April, I foresaw, I thought I saw it, it might come to bloodshed. And I wondered if worth it for any single person to die for something like that. And I said nothing and always been separate, but equal, but truly equal in a meaningful sense. And I'll comment on this that, you know, we laugh about the

platinum deal. But I do like President Trump's idea of school choice where the parent will be able to determine where the money goes to which school and I presume you could do the homeschooling, whatever it is you want to do, the parent will decide, not the municipality, not the local school district, and also really puts the school system on notice. I really liked that. And I I'm sure it has to go through Congress, you know, he could do an executive order. But now that has to go into law.

I don't see a lot of Democrats jumping up and down about it. Actually, I think about it. But I really indoctrinate the children. I mean, that's, that's counterproductive to the indoctrination. It's like, we gotta get him through this narrative over here. And I missed the point of pointing this out. But early in the show, the narrative is you were a slave. Honestly, a freed you. Not the king. Yes, you you still have a rights. Right. That's it. That's all they ever want to teach you.

And style. And stop. That's all you need to know, you got enough information now. Because everything after that is all we're still striving for integration, we're still striving for integrate this, this. That's why I'm not against the idea of integration. I'm gonna guess the point of it being this solution to our

problem, and only we can solve our problem, no matter now. You can have the platinum plan, you can have the rhodium plan, you can have the ice, that bling bling plan, and less black people become independent and solve problems for themselves and build their own. It won't work. It won't it will not work. Because it's just like, when you have children until a child goes out and builds his own house and builds own family, everything else. They can be successful in your house. I mean, like in a

career, but there's still gonna be something lacking. And that's the point I want to make now. Do you need a starter money? Every venture capitalist? No, we need our VC. That's what this whole atonement is about is not build the corporation under structure for us. But you do need funding. You do need the proper schools. You know, you need to stop the narrative. And I want to say one

more thing before we continue on. It's not I was beaten up on the precipice a little bit but it continues to this day. Parents know themselves right now. I think that last year, we had to do school supplies this year, but last year, my kids had to bring 24 glue sticks to school. Every child in class What are y'all doing eatin glue sticks? I mean, what is it for lunch? I know what that is is you bring enough for the parents

that won't have it. See that because the person was too scared to go downtown and say I need some more glue sticks. Exactly. So what they do it they put the snap burden onto the parents, they put the the glue sticks and the paper and the pencils and hand sanitizers. And then and then they ask for more glue sticks halfway through the year, I might hold on 20 Kids toss 2024 glue sticks come on almost 500 images and roughly almost 500 glue sticks. And you need more. But like I was saying

that's just passing the ball. I don't want to be the teacher, I don't want to be in the principal aspect, not too much. And maybe you wonder why people don't want to send their kids to the schools. And what we will be doing school choice episode. And I don't want to make this a rehash of, you know, a set of the Brown versus Board education. But what I'm saying is, people in general, would rather prefer to be independent.

And even if you know what, rather than live in somebody else's mansion, or rather build me a two bedroom home on my own. Yes. And I would like to I'd like to add that the school choice now Act was introduced July, I believe, July 22, by Senator Tim Scott. And since we got a voting season coming up, let me tell you who the co sponsors are. Them Lamar Alexander, Ted Cruz, John Cornyn, Kelly Lafleur, Marco Rubio, Todd, young, Kevin Kramer, and James Lankford.

Those are the those as the sponsors. I believe they're all Republicans. So this is in the Senate. So far, it's only been introduced. I don't think it's come to the floor yet. So it's good that the President is pushing that but you know, there's a lot of help is going to be it's basically just been pushed off to the sideline, I guess, for now until whatever important stuff happens. And there's been a lot of good charter schools formed,

especially about black men. And, you know, in these underserved communities, so we have to prove, but if you allow them to not go to schools, that affects the teachers union, which impacts you know, very deep pockets. I'll just leave it Oh, enough. The teachers union, basically just financed the rebuilding of LaGuardia Airport. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, what? Yeah, I think we could have done some other things. But okay, that's fine.

And I'll say this, and I'm gonna save some of this for the school choice. But teachers unions don't even protect teachers because they didn't protect my father. And I'll just leave it that. It's not even about the teachers. I mean, like most unions are not about the people they're supposed to be built for. But that was the southern perspective. Test. He was from Farmville, Virginia. So now we have this other gentleman, Mr. Robert Woodson. He was the CEO and founder of the national

standard. I'm gonna Bob Woodson, I like Bob Woodson. He's a cool guy. Okay, so Well, let's listen to clip one. I grew up in South Philadelphia, we didn't realize it was segregated. All we knew is that our neighborhood was all black.

And we weren't even that conscious of color. If you also people who own the store down the street, the black, the Taylor, the restaurant owners, they undertake everybody in the neighborhood and it was a very small street working, everybody worked, blue collar, essentially, very close knit neighborhood. Everyone had over four children. We played in the streets together on Saturday morning, our parents came out and the hucksters came around and I parents purchase things.

We had to go buy ice because there were no refrigerators, then we had a coal stove. So the younger kids were responsible for putting wood and coal into the stove and keeping it going. And the level of interests in education was just profound. I mean, I mean, even to this day, I don't think I've ever, ever had such a positive educational experience that I did my first six years, because school was an integral part of the community. We had a black superintendent, black principle, all the

teachers were black. Many of them didn't live in the neighborhood either. Contrary to popular belief, they were middle income people who live elsewhere, but their hearts and their soul Those who are into those kids. As you heard, it was an integral part. And but we are amongst your all and I'll be honest with you about this. We were lower

middle class, but I didn't know what. Because when you're around your own socio economic status, I mean, like what people have done the same, like socio economic status, you don't realize how poor you are. It's only when you go to college, or you know, and be around real rich people that you say, oh, yeah, My life sucks. No kidding. But it's like, wow, like, I remember it. Just as a quick aside, I met this guy, when I fresh out of college, and we were working together. And we're

roughly the same age. And he was like, Yeah, my family owns a house down here. And we have a boat there and a boat at the beach house. I got to, like, you don't take the boat with you to know that. I mean, my mind couldn't I mean, I understood like wealth and things of that nature. But actually to meet somebody, whether grandfather was like a state senator or something like that. I mean, just certain?

Well, that's interesting, because when I was growing up, and I'm talking Kensington, Maryland, in the late 60s, and I think it's pretty consistent everywhere I've lived, it was all kind of the same. But there was always that one family who had the house on the corner that was bigger than you know, and, and they were everyone was always weird, and you wouldn't actually go talk to them, you wouldn't necessarily play with them. Right, just realizing that I don't know if it really

pertains to what we're talking about. But that's not what you like those families, too. We had those families too, but I'm just saying, at least it was some likeness in the wealth level show you meet people that a millionaire, super wealthy millionaires, yeah. And you are barely like, I mean, it makes you look at yourself and look down at yourself. And this, this is part of this is what another damaging effect of sending kids off into such a disparity. And whether we call the racial

wealth gap. I mean, when you start to see that it's like, wow, like, they have like real money. I mean, because this this phenomenon called hood, Rich, I don't know if you ever heard of Hood rich and enough you've. we've ever discuss hood rich on this. On this day on the show. I can imagine what it means. Yeah. Right. So hood Rich is basically if you can pay all your bills, and you got some of the things you want, and take a few vacations. You're Crusader rich amongst your peers. Yeah, and I

don't wanna make that gut hook thing. But that I mean, that's what it is. But then when you real, meet real rich people, like real, real rich people, it's like, wow, and it makes you it has effect on your self esteem. It really does. Because it's very jarring.

Well enter. One other factor that people deal with today, and that social media, everyone is trying to have that look is you know, if you're so in a Gucci patch on Photoshop, and it's so it looks real, you know what you're doing it for, you're doing it for all the same reasons. It's really pathetic and destructive when you think about it. It's called conspicuous consumption. And that's one of their biggest problems that our youth have.

Yeah. Why is white black, yellow, red all youth by the way, this is not a color thing at all. Because when they did the rioting, and one of the first there was a hit. Gucci Louis. Exactly. So this is the real problem that these children are having. And then they see it on social media, and a phenomenon like mod sweet 16, cardi, these things start to creep over into society. And it creates a real problem where if you know who you are and where you're from, and you around people that your

or your peers and your father's around his peers. It's a little bit more healthy for your mentality. I'll just leave it there. But let's get back to Bob Woodson and strong on were strong to up until 1959 78% of all black families had a man and a woman in them. That's a fact teen pregnancy was was looked down upon sexual activity among kids. Everyone bragged about it. No

one did it. And, but if someone became pregnant, if there was an iron in the south, they would go there they have so that the the moral standards and ethical standards for people living in those communities was extremely high. It had little to do with your income. Many of us were poor without realizing that we were poor. The discipline was in the community. I mean, you didn't speak back to an adult. The thought of an elderly person being disrespected was was just unheard of. And teachers were

never disrespected. And if you misbehave was quite, you'd be spanked by a neighbor. And yeah, I got home, I finally got home, spank there. And God forbid a teacher should ever have to send for your parents. And they had to take off work. That was it. And so it it imposed a kind of discipline. And again, it was a discipline that had little to do with how much money you made, there was a sense of comfort, a sense of well being, a sense of oneness between the school and the community.

Wow, member teachers would spank you to back in when I was Yeah. Imagine that now. No. And then the other thing he said was, um, that he had a certain comfort, I want to be honest with you just a little background on me, because a lot of people don't know a lot about me. But I lived in an enclave of black people in a small North Carolina town, were the only white man we saw on a consistent basis until maybe I went to preschool was the insurance man. And he would come around. And it was like,

Who's this guy? I'm not serious. So you I was incubated and miss my own culture. And then I still went off to preschool elementary school, and then that is still you know, I came back to the neighborhood. And, you know, I was cutting arts friends, you know. And then I moved to Durham, and we lived in a black suburb. I mean, it was it was like the, you know, the lower middle class suburb. But yeah, it was still a suburb, there was

a lot of working class black people. So you went to school, and you dealt with school, and then you come home, and then you had, you know, interaction with people on your own. And then I went to black, historically, black college HBCU. And the first my first year actually, I went to a white university. And it was so jarring to me. It was so I mean, I'm serious. It was like, What is this? The I only went to school four days a week,

and I will be back in my hometown. No, on Thursday night, because it was just I was not having anything against anybody. Because I mean, in high school, I had a good set of mixed friends. But it was what I was lacking. It was now the cultural things. And then when I went to HBCU, that that kind of restored it for me. But like I said, when you throw these people into these, quote, unquote, integrated situations, they have

a lot of psychological effect on people. No kidding. No, I think there's there's not I don't think people care to understand. I mean, when I say that the people just making decisions is just like, oh, we fix we fix racism. Now on to the next problem. It's like, No, you made it worse. But I'm sorry for the long story, but I'm just saying that I think I was the last probably generation that grew up like that, to be honest with you, where it wasn't like a lot of a lot of it, you know, a lot

of integrated. Living a much you know, I'm not sure community, you're probably right, you're probably right. Cuz I think white flight stopped being the thing too. I think that's part of it. Because I'll be I'll be honest with you, when we used to move on certain like, the third house we lived in, and DERM when we moved there all my dad said watch out for sale signs gonna come up, really and dammit, seriously, keep calling it and that's like, oh, man, that was

that's a foreigner. That's kind of a rude awakening. I will start to hear now my dad prepared me for I mean, like, but it was not in a negative way. But like, this is just how it goes. And lo and behold, we're sales for sales. But on the flip side of that you had a lot of a lot of black people that were looking to live amongst black people, right. So it kind of worked out because it's like, Did you see the neighborhood change the neighborhood change over time? Just in color.

I mean, the social that was the same man. Yeah, we had a black doctor. We had a black guy that worked at IBM. My dad was Mama's social worker teacher. We had some people that were you know that worked, you know, doing? Construction, those kinds of things. So it wasn't a nice hodgepodge. I guess I lived a charmed life. I'll be honest with you. I lived a charmed black life. Honestly, I wouldn't change a thing about it. So that but that's the term that goes the neighborhood. It was

actually true. completely true. But that was the difference. Because as you said, what your when people came to visit your house, it was like my dad, like we got to keep our grass cut, you know? Because you didn't want to be that that neighborhood, right? I mean, you didn't want to be that that was the same. We had to do the same. Of course, you want to keep the grass cut up the douchebag on the block. You don't want to be that? No, but he wanted to be the first one to get that man

because he didn't want to be into the stereotype. So that's the thing that you are consciously or even subconsciously, it's always not wanting to live up to that slum title that we've talked about earlier in the show, right? Because that is a real thing that I like I told you. I don't know I'm kind of dragging this out. But black people, for instance, when I was growing up, you can't go anywhere, not honored. That this just didn't happen. And you're yet to have

lotion on you had to be clean. Had to have your hair combed out with these things. That was that was exactly the same for me. And I can I heard my mom many times say, we don't want the neighbors to think dot dot, dot dot. I don't want anyone to think data data. Not so that's that's, you know, it's, it's kind of across the board. No, but what I'll say now, but what I was getting to is, when I said that, I think I told your story, if I tell again, short

form. But now when I go to school events, my kids went to highly populated Hispanic, high population, Hispanic kids. They were be like we were, they would be pressed down. And you see the other kids coming in shirttail hanging out all wrinkly, but they had that same thing. Like we don't want to live up to what people think the stereotype is of us. I think we've got so super comfortable nests where you hear the natural hair argument. Right, right. Right, right.

So I guess we can use get go right into part three. Yeah, this last part of Bob, many of us who, who exercise leadership in the civil rights movement in the early and mid 60s. Integration was never our goal. We never saw integration as a solution to the problems, we were seeking desegregation. And I think confusion on that point, has continued to erode the self, the collective self confidence of the black community today. Just a very

confusion. You see, I fought against a jury segregation. That is when someone absolutely forbid me to go into a restaurant, or live in a given housing complex. I was just restricted by law. I remember when I was discharged from the military, coming home and 1958. And standing, then in Florida, only person at a ticket window and had the man stop and wait on the white person. He waited on 10 White people while I was standing there. In the meantime, I almost missed the train and

couldn't check my bags. That's what I fought against the indignity of America's apartheid system. So integration was never a an issue for me, or for many others. I like Bob Woodson, and he left the civil rights movement for all the for what he saw was happening. Now, like we were talking earlier about the guy of sound like John Brennan from the CIA, which was Davis. Do you know who Bob Woodson I'm just now realizing sounds like, Oh, Ben Carson. If you slow him down

a little bit, you just slow him down just a tad. He sat, he's got the almost like to listen, just play a little bit. And I think confusion on that point, see, has continued to erode the younger too. So we mean, it's 1989. So it might sound more like a male. Yeah. And I only bring that up because you can, you know, it's it's the middle Yoda. It's the people he may be hanging out with, which

for me is really good news. I already liked Ben Carson, because, you know, if I need someone to separate some Chinese twins, you know, that's the guy. And I think and President Trump likes him and he's running Housing and Urban Development. So he's doing stuff with Tim Scott. And so I think that gives me even greater confidence. I like that. I like hearing him that he sounds like Bob Woodson, as shallow as that may be on my part.

No, it matters. It matters because like you said, you could tell a lot about how people speak by what company they keep. Yeah, so yeah, that that is a very valid point. And I want to follow this clip away because he made it so clear what they were fighting against. Yeah, it wasn't a integration. It was desegregation gap. And that's a huge, huge difference. Huge difference. Yeah. When you sit here and say, Well, you need to

get your ticket, you know, checked. And it's like next, and you're standing right here in the center, the white person next, next. Next is like, don't you see me here as a human? Right? Because there are certain things that, you know, over time, we could build, but we still have to you have access to, but I mean, that's it, as you heard over and over again. And he's not running into male people. These are people that

were no, in the time of saying, This is what we want. And hopefully, I can calm the generational war between the black boomers and the black millennials, because that is a real thing. Yeah. Because they were like, how stupid were you to try to know get your spin on and get coffee and the pie. And then the other side, like, kid, you know, have no idea. And then like, look at y'all, you know, we had to go through real

segregation. Y'all are whining about safe spaces. Yeah. So if you remove that barrier between those two, you can have a conversation interracially that would, you know, provide a much needed, you know, transfer of knowledge between the two groups. I think, I think this all the problem came when spanking ended Mo. That's when the kid

got out of school. There was a lot of people. And that was a big thing in the black community, because I remember hearing that conversation was going like, are they gonna what? Take what? Take who else? Right? So it was like, yes, so that was it. But yes, definitely spankings. And then that ventured off again. You can't spank your kids at school me at home? And then oh, no, I'm sure these days if your kid goes through my daddy spank me, you get a call from Child Protective Services pretty much.

Right? So yeah, so that's, that's the real thing. So now we get into the problematic category to trigger and want to Yeah, I have to, I have to get a trigger warning for these next four or five clips we're gonna play because he's gonna, making sure people are ready, but you got to brace yourself. Morning everybody. We're ready, we're ready for the trigger.

And we only bring this out when we go heavy. Every show race for is not to get dt 32 Is it fair to say as a generality and as a succinct way to put it that you believe in segregation of the races? No segregation is that which is Mr. Muhammad says that segregation is that which is forced upon inferiors, by superiors. Separation is done voluntarily by two equals, you never refer to the Oriental community in which Orientals live exclusively as a segregated

community. Because they live there voluntarily. They everything there is controlled by them, the economy, the politics, the civic organizations, but the negro community is referred to as a segregated community, because Negroes are forced to live in that community, contrary to their will, and they don't control the businesses of their community. They don't control the politics of their community nor their social life. Wow, Malcolm?

Yeah, we got to two for him. So what he's saying basically, is just going back to the he's speaking in real time about the projects, and how people were forced in the slums by not having any or the options. And that's what he was saying, if it's not separation, because we didn't choose it, which now I'm gonna say this, the larger Muhammad is gonna shape this next three speakers mind. And he was very big on being self reliant, build your own, have your own, and you really can't

talk about him now, for several reasons. But as we do we take away the positive from people when we leave, you know, we don't subscribe to everybody's whole lexicon of thoughts. We pluck out, you know, things that will work, or things that need to be discussed. So he was the mentor to Malcolm X and the next two speakers, but this is the thing it's like, um, I think this is another part another, another part of the generational

issue. Black people now young black kids now not kids, but young adults can't fathom, not being able to start your own business, because now it said Global market, whatever you want, you can just order it and you can set up shop on the internet or even if a storefront, right, yeah, because we getting things straight from China, or straight from you know, other, you know, other foreign countries. At this time, you didn't have that luxury. If you didn't know somebody knew

somebody knew somebody, you could easily be shut down. So that's the other generational gap is now. But if I can suggest that is also an education problem, because it will certainly from my perspective, you hear about segregation, it pretty much boils down to school, water, fountain and toilet. No, the other stuff was never discussed,

like, Oh, that sucks. And the and as a kid, I remember thinking waterfowl fountain, police had weird, you know, it was no, it was like, I never actually the fact that it was taught, confronted me, I never thought about it. And then I got weirded out by everyone's mouth on the water fountain. I didn't want to drink water out of the water found at all just like mad. Look how many people are on that not color, but just how many people are using it all. But that's all that it was

toilet, water fountain, and school. And there was a lot of imagery to reinforce those three things. You never hear about entrepreneurialism, you know, the success stories were equally as limited to the full scope of what was possible, what people did, and what segregation really was. And what what success stories there were of people who broke through that is so limited, so limited in what I learned.

Yeah. And then the other thing is that before, like I said, if you wanted to start a business, you had to go through so many ropes, you know, had to know somebody and know somebody know somebody, you need to have the suppliers. But now, it isn't the gift and the curse of a country like China, or globalism. Gobble is I mean, what I what I mean? Yeah, but we know where a lot of these products come from. That opens the door to say, You

know what, I don't have to deal with in this country anymore. I can go straight there, buy it for one sell for two, right? Which really furthers capitalism, you think about it totally. Now, because you have, it's about competition. And a lot of things also was about ideas. So it's, now look at us, we couldn't do this show 50 years ago, even if we want to even if we had the wheel off maybe 60 years ago, we couldn't do put the show together, because you had to get on a

broadcast or radio. I mean, you were a pirate radio. I mean, you know about being locked out. Number six, oh, man, you know, imagine that if you're trying to open a store from it, and that kind of thing. And then the other thing that I'll say this finally, and this is a big one, and I know you're kind of against them, but Credit Karma and the understanding of credit itself, when you got your credit report in the 80s and 70s. And know what the hell was going on on it? You know, I was like,

What? What is this? Well, I'll pay my bills. Yeah, well, sadly, Credit Karma is intended only to enslave everyone, all children of all ages more by making you behave in certain ways to give you access to more credit. It's a very, very, very evil situation that's going on there. But for a lot of people, this is the first understanding of how your behaviors impact your credit. That's true. That says, Well, I'm saying a lot of this stuff they're building we could

turn around and use against them. If you know how to game the system. And then Trust me I know how to game the credit course credit score system now not not a negative way but just in Oh, that's what this turn is dial turn this knob. Oh, that makes the job 10 points. Good. Nice. Going here kind of thing. Yeah, I guess where I'm coming from is I would prefer that we teach our children that you don't necessarily have to, you know this, to me a credit card or credit is reverse spending

reverse sage or reverse saving. Instead of I remember saving up stuff, you know, saving up because there was no real credit credit cards and your kids didn't have credit cards. There was none of that. That's That's why our generation I mean, I know we were seeing a little gap between now But we understand the digital, what we're based in analog thought, yeah, for sure. And what I mean by that is you pay your bills on time you save money, that kind

of thing. Yeah. I'm not saying don't do away with that. That's why it's harmful to children or young adults, because they're not based in that reality. Right? It's just, it's just a game to them. Now you just hear two American dads. Yep. And on to the podcast. That's for damn kids. No. Yeah, no, um, well, I'm just saying that is that's why you need fathers in the house. Yeah, to teach them the principles of pay. This is the way it is. This is the way

it works. Okay. Now, how can you use that as a tool to your benefit? Okay, you know, so I usually think about talent you and using things as a tool to your benefit. But like I said, I've gone off on a tangent long enough. But now we have a new Malcolm that was actually that that last one was from tobacco cars show 20 A throwback clip. And I want to expound on that or let Malcolm expound on that a little bit more about integration isn't dignity.

Dr. King's goals are quite different from yours. He believes in integration, integration, the society integrated No, well, that's where Dr. King is mixed up. His goal should be the solution of the problem of the black men in America. Now, not integration, integration is the method toward obtaining that goal. And what the Negro leader has done is gotten himself wrapped up in the method and has forgotten what

the goal is. The goal is the is the is the dignity of the black man in America, he wants to respect as a human being, he wants recognition as a human being. Now if integration will get him that All right, if segregation will get him that All right, if separate region will get him that all right. But after he gets integration, and he still doesn't have this dignity, and this recognition as a human being, then his problem is still not solved.

Well, isn't this exactly what Dr. King is looking towards, and that is the day when the Negro will be treated with dignity. Wasn't this after all, the result of the Montgomery bus boycott? No, because I don't think you can. Having an opportunity to write either on the front or the back or in the middle of someone else's bus doesn't dignify you, when you have your own bus. When

you have your own school, you have dignity. When you have your own country, you have dignity when you have something of your own, you have dignity. But whenever you are begging for a chance to participate in that which belongs to someone else, or use that which belongs to someone else on an equal basis with the owner. That's not dignity. That's ignorance.

I'm now realizing that throughout my life, I've heard Malcolm X's Yeah, but any any black man who would talk about the black man, I always kind of presumed I just means all black people. But now I'm kind of learning it actually is specifically about black men. Yeah. Cuz we shape the minds of our children very unpopular thing to say, in today's world culture, Mo very unpopular for you or me to say. And I mean that I mean, I'm not saying that I'm saying that to

them. And yes, I guess I gotta teach my children to have dignity. I'm teaching my children to have your own. Yes, I'm an employer, but I don't want my children to work for anybody. You know, I tell my daughter, I was like, Look, you want to start your own business. Actually, I'm talking to a couple producers. On the show. They have the private labeling stuff to get my daughter's 617 years old, get her feet wet into

private labeling and starting her own business. Yeah, it's about dignity at the end of the day, and that's what's missing from our and people want to say in a way of pull up your pants, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, no self respect, the man will have his ash and will excuse my leg. I'm sorry, what have his blood sugar in the first place if you had dignity about yourself, because you don't want to turn yourself into a spectacle? It's not a that's a symptom of the problem. Just like Malcolm said,

integration is a method. It's not nothing. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. A ding for Malcolm. So true. That's what I mean. That's what into we like, and that people say that the Gucci reparation argument, right? And yeah, and if they blow it, so be it but now you don't have an excuse anymore. Now what you're gonna blame it on? Yeah. So now what you're gonna be a victim to the Gucci reparation argument, is essentially what I got from Hotep Jesus, and he said, so let's say that we're

reparations. Now forget the the monolith part which you know, he said don't black people just blow it on Gucci. It'll go to Gucci anyway. And of course, there's going to be a percentage of people who do that. But you're absolutely right that their choice. Now you have to look at them like adults because you know what we remedied your problem. We were told, and I'm saying this the white people now, this is the beauty of reparations or atonement, like I like to call it because reparations is just

to be repaired. Yeah, you're asking, you're asking a repair, we repair me. If you want to atone that's coming from the person that needs to atone with the person they've done wrong, right? It's like, you know what? At the country, we've done you wrong. Here's an ABCD. Right. So okay, here, we will pound. Now you can't bring it like just like when you people know when to my pays a settlement and the case, you can't come back and keep saying, Oh, you're ruining my life. No, I've settled with

you. Now, if you took the money and went to Vegas and blew it, that's the only That's your problem. Not my problem. So I'm saying is atonement. And that's why I'm gonna keep calling it this is from the point of, let's put this race crap behind us. You give people where they can strive for their own dignity. And if one out of three people blow the money, so be it if two out of the three bloated money, so be it. Because you can look at the one out of three that didn't blow the money and say,

Yo, you know what was different between you and them? Now we can get to the real problem. It's probably because you didn't have a father at home. Yeah, it's probably because you sell for low self esteem and victimization mentality. Let's get let's get to the real root of the problem. That's why I

call it a tome I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But I get charged up about this because at the end of the day, when I let Mullah Muhammad Ali tell you that society is filled educate people around well Life is too short for me to reread kitchen Hill for something like that and have their own views my own I have a beautiful daughter beautiful wife. They look like me we all happen I don't have no trouble that much in love and no woman to go through all at ALA no one woman that good. You understand?

I understand. Yeah. I do understand. I understand. I think it's I think it's sad that it is sad because every intelligent person wants his child to look like him. I'm sad because I want to blot out my race and lose my beautiful identity. Chinese love Chinese. They love the lust none of that pretty brown skinned babies. Pakistan is love that culture. Jewish people love that culture. A lot of Catholics don't want to read them a Catholics they want the religion to be stayed the

same. Who want to spot up yourself and kill your race. You ahead of your people. If you don't want to stay who you are You shame what God made you. God didn't make no mistake when he made us all like my philosophy of despair. This was number one. No woman on this whole earth not even a black woman in Muslim countries can please me and cook for me and socialize and talk to me like my American black woman. No woman and last as a white woman can really identify with me and my feelings and the way I

act and we are taught. And you can take no Chinese man and give them the Puerto Rican woman and Halima. We're in love and you're emotionally in love and physically, but really, they're not happy because she's gonna have some Puerto Rican music. He's gonna have some Chinese music. And all the time. It's just nature. You can do what you want, but it's nature to want to be what you own. I want to be with my own. I love my man. I'm glad I witnessed him around while he was still alive and

kicking man what Muhammad Ali? What a genius and go to conspiratorial mind. Isn't it amazing? They shut him up. No, it's not amazing. It's completely completely understandable. Unfortunately. What I mean is like, Isn't it amazing? That's the way he went. And he didn't lose. Yeah, you're right. His physical capacities. I mean, eventually he did. But he lost his valuable. Yeah. Me and his mom was there still. That's the That's what really

has to be just couldn't come out. He was trapped pi. But what I want to say, as he ended his statement, do what you want to do. But when you start making people feel inferior and that dignity, they may think, well, if I can join this group or that group, then I'll be okay. And you know, I'm not saying this about race. Now, this is in general politics. It's like a lot of people have self loathing, and they like Oh, I'm liberal. I'm liberal, you know, because I don't want to be seen

this way even though they disagree. They will change their their ideologies to fit so they won't be seen as you know, they'll be trained, what their how they were brought up. And you see that a lot. everywhere, not just a lot. You see it everywhere. All all across the spectrum. And that's what really to be honest with you. That's what irks people about Trump coming down not to make it about Trump, but for you. Because like a lot of white people from my

perspective, and I'm just the outsiders that. I'm just saying what I see from the outside. A lot of people have people in their family like Trump. And it's like, oh, God, they gave him a bar that gave them a mouthpiece. I moved to the city to straight escaped them. I moved to the coast, you know, the coat, you know, the flyover country, they moved out of the flyover country, and it's like, oh, god, my cousin is following me here. Yeah. That is definitely true. And yes, definitely. And, and a lot

of white people I know, are embarrassed. They're like that, because of and so they're, you know, they're kind of on the fence. And they they know that they're really like that and they are kind of Mirka Maga. But they're embarrassed about it. And depending on who they're around, or where they live, they will often tone it down. I mean, it's so conflicting. It's so toxic for everybody.

And black people are the same way. Sometimes we can be somewhere we allow, I'm just being tell you, we allow you come through come to our functions, we're gonna laugh and joke, be loud, whatever. But when you're in an environment where that's not call for words, like, you know, you got to have some, okay, we're at the bank. It's like the place to be loud. It's like when you see it, like, Oh, my God, you know, but it is

what it is. I mean, that's just how we are. But we got to be honest and be open and say that's what the real problem is. But we want to make some huge national concern. Oh, he's gonna you know, ruin the democracy. Well, no, he just speaking for other half the country all forgot about let's just be honest. Yeah. But I digress. And speaking on that. There's another gentleman that has been pushed to the margins. And from

some of his views, and I don't share all of his views. And like I said, we just bring in clips from people that we find that we've no interest in discuss. And even the mere mention of his name will probably get us canceled. Yes. So this is why I value for value is so important. And not to belabor the point. Ministers spirit, Minister Farrakhan speaks one and limitate your brothers and sisters like us, we have to press the government for reparations. As long as you ask

for a job. And they don't have these days, are taking promises. You're going along? To get on? Do you know why Elijah Muhammad, put on the back page and Muhammad speaks? We want freedom, full and complete freedom. We want justice, we want equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all regardless of creed or class of color. We want equality. We want equality of opportunity. And we want equal

membership in society with the best and civilized society. But then in point number four, he says we we believe that those of us whose parents, you know, have been here for 400 years, you know, and we believe that you offered us integration as a hypocritical trick. To make us believe that our 400 year old enemy has now become our friend. We believe that this is the time in history for separation.

You know, we could easily do an entire episode on Farrakhan just I mean, I wouldn't mind learning a bit more than I know. He's a very complex individual, and part of a very complex movement of the Nation of Islam. But one thing I do respect about them is their independent financial independence. And they tried to create their own industry and a push to create your own cash flow. Because I'll say this as a working man. The

uncertainty of knowing is this my last check? What will I do you know, and the spec I mean, me personally, I will never get caught flat footed because I always have a plan for a player saw me so if it happens, it happens and I don't lose sleep over it. But if you if that's your only means and source of financial gain is a job. That's a very uncertain life. And you top that with all of the things we talked about on the previous 50 show for a black person. That's, that's one you could

solve yourself. And like I said, it was different for people in 1960 1950s. Even our ancestors understood that that's why they hadn't land they asked for land, they was like, You know what, as much land as I can have, I can grow more crops and much children I can have, I can have children and work those crops. And we'll make it as a family is only that when we got caught up in the industry, in the industrial lifestyle, that we became vulnerable. Because our answers to say, you know how to

catch fish. I not a trap. I know how, I mean, I don't know how to hunt. But my grandpa taught me is how you beat a rat boss. Well, you might have put a rabbit in the pot one day. This is real life. Yeah. But our children are vulnerable, are vulnerable, because they don't have any means or have any dignity from being able to own for themselves. And you always push this you said, learn to code, learn to code because you

can code. That's a skill, right skill. And actually, every black man over a certain age, they might do something for a job, but also have another skill. Like my dad's skill was painting. My uncle's we have brick layers, we had concrete guys, we had carpenters, no, this is their skill. Now they had a job doing something else. But if they ever hit the fan, he's like, You know what I'm getting these rollers out, and my dad taught me how to paint. So I know how to paint. Me, I'm

a pretty, you know, decent handyman. But these are things like I said, you don't have these, this knowledge base, then you're vulnerable. And this is the more important why fathers need to be in the home. But I won't go there. Now, here is the leverage point of reparations. And he's going to speak to this. And I'll let him explain it and then I'll explain how I incorporate it in my life, or in what we're trying to do now. Sit down and be last Muhammad said, Well, I put it there, they

may never give it to you. But I want you to know what Justice looks like. For you a white woman and a few dollars and you think we made some unique rows, we'll sell out people out for just a little position with white people. You won't say you'll be paying your future of our people is uncommon not to be compromised, will be dropped in the bottom of the sea with a millstone around your neck to betrayed the

legitimate aspirations of our people. We got to come out from among we gotta leave if you're putting it on the table strong enough to come out of his seat. He's smiling. Are you? But if you say no, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, no smile. No, pat on the back. Let's talk about reparations. When you see him change. I've never heard his last. I've never heard this. I'm sure you have it. That last 30 minutes is the apparatus that how we're using reparations. And what I mean by that is to the

Democratic Party, they'll smile. Oh, yeah. Thank you for your vote, brother. Yeah, yeah, you know, vote Rock the Vote. You know, that kind of thing. Yeah. But soon as we start asking for something for our 40 plus years of loyalty to that party. Now we see their true colors, shut up and vote. And that's what they have. That's what people are saying to us. All their black box if they're asking for anything. Do we not see if you don't vote for me you ain't black.

Exactly. Now we're starting to see when you start to ask for something for something that you have for them and return is shut up. What gives you the right to ask me for anything? Who are you supposed to be you're obligated obligated to give your vote to us? and they've been very nasty, very nasty black box if it asked for anything tangible, reparations? How about a study California, but study some more, let's get another panel. And that's why I risk planning triggering people. I said, like,

oh, well, you know, but I want it to him that he said it. So, point blank and matter of factly. They'll smile on your face as long as you're giving them something. But when you ask for something in return for what you've been providing them for 40 years, they have their people out here now telling you to shut up and vote. Vote blue no matter who you say, you ain't black. Let's go on unleash black blocks. You're saying just Who are they to talk to us like this?

Well, every every country, every race, every group gets the leadership it deserves. So that's exactly that's why we're doing the work. We can ask you a question. But, yes, so just because something you said triggered a memory for me or a lyric. So did he win the OJ saying they smile in your face the backstabbers? Were they referring to this type of situation? Or just in general? Wow. All right. I mean, they were just in general, but it can be

applied there because their music was very political. If you actually listen to it. That's what I'm asking. I've never ever viewed the Oh, jesus political. Oh, man. No, brother. No way. I had never thought of it until now. So they sweat your face. The backstabbers do now what about for the love of money? I mean, they were very, I mean, yeah, they were very political, but not in the sense that it wasn't like, um, dystopian. It was like very upbeat. I mean, it was,

it was it was subtle and danceable. That's what made us Wow. Hey, mind blown here mind blown I can't wait to tell so my Dutch radio friends Hey man, you know that saw that was really about perfect Yeah. Okay, well learn even more than wrap up this last clip I'm gonna wrap up with this last clip here. And these are this is from a very small podcast on YouTube we only have like eight followers on the channel. So that goes to show you how how deep I go when I go to seek seek these things out.

And this is to want to say I will say so called blacks I don't know if you're a das or not. But they're talking about when what happens when you take your black children to the safe white spaces that I to compromise I think I compromise their public culture experience and did not compromise their in house cultural experience. We got that a lot. But I compromise their public cultural experience in some times of their lives be

life because of the of trying to keep them safe. But I have to be clear as a guest I'm labeled a veteran parent now for anybody else that has younger is out there that sometimes those safe white spaces backfired and then I wasn't prepared for it. So no, you take your you take your car to school, it's not getting broken into. You're getting private school experience. Though it's a public school. You know, you're in all the things

you want to be in. We know we're in this lovely neighborhood. I mean, we lived in the suburb I lived in mockups Hill, we have the house, the picket fence, the front yard, the backyard, like I was like do it you're doing everything on associate. You got it you have you have done all the things but then I wasn't prepared to go see one of them in go to acquire show and be like, Oh my gosh. out of 83 children, there's only three that look like my baby what? They're doing a rendition of a

negro spiritual. Oh, wow. Why? Ah, give me the name of the winner will make sure we promoted properly taken from eight to maybe 18 is Anastasia Renee. I don't have the channel right offhand. But if you search that as a m a s t a CI Renee r e n e on YouTube and I'll be I'll have more clips from them. Because I think you're so small that the pot on his tube comes out. It's beautiful. That was really good. I liked that. That was a good one.

So what they're saying, and this is the fallacy, they take these children and put them in highly exclusive. I mean, what I mean by schools is very few blacks, you knew that going in? I'm not moved, I looked at them, okay? How many black people all you have 2530 Okay, we're good to go. Now, cuz you don't want to isolate your children off to where only three, like I mentioned this to go back to with my college years, I was like, you will be looking for black people. That's a very bad

feeling. And a lot of people who can relate to this, when you're looking like, oh, what's the black person? You know? And they like, Well, you see me given that nod, like, What's up, bro? You're saying that kind of thing? Yeah, that's not and I'm sure it's just that the shoe was on the other foot. If you take me out and put me into, you know, anywhere in the world, other than, you know, America, I'll be looking for will speak

English. You know, I mean, I mean, I do foster my speak English because you're looking for some I, you know, I hate to I had a similar version of that, you know, when I was thrown into the Netherlands now, not that you could tell just by looking at me that I was from America. But man when you heard an American accent somewhere, and like, you know, just out on the street like whipsaw neck around what? Hey, hey, man, God, yeah. Hey, how

you doing? Yeah, and it wasn't just about the language. It was about, you know, football. Underneath understanding, understanding, yeah. One final point I want to make is and this is where you're seeing these people that claim to Black Lives Matter is because their parents by these two, they take these children and they hyper they push BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, everything inside the

house. But don't prepare him for the world outside the house and think the world outside the house is poster. A just to their presence. It don't work like that. No. It doesn't work. And I said it like that for purpose. It doesn't work like that. Because who are you three people to come dictate to the other at how things are gonna go, but that's what they go on to the

universe. Oh, we need a safe black space, you know? Oh, no. It's like, why don't you go to HBCU if you want that experience, because that's very I don't know. It's rude. It's rude. Mo it's just rude. Yeah, it's mad rude. To you to come for you to come to my cookout. I want to play Kenny Rogers if you could if you did that be we look like who the hell do you think he's touching it touching the CD player. Alexa now I'm gonna have CD players anymore. But yeah. I WUSA, this is what

you're dealing with. Hold on. Is this deep breath Wow. All right. I'm doing now this I was it's always enjoyable. I always have a good time. For me, the cherry on top was the OG the OG days. But that's just a personal thing. Every now okay, to wrap this up, every single time we sit down to do the show. I think I kind of know, you know, I think I know what I'm talking about. I think

I've done the work, you know. And every time man every time you throw something new in there, and I know that you you've got a plan and you know, it's like preacher mo here he's pastor Mo, he's got a message and I really appreciate how you are taking me but all of us on this journey. And it's very well constructed. It's it's this is your skill. It's it's very I'm really realizing every single time how skillful you are at

doing this. And and that's why again, I want everybody to consider playing this with their kids because it's it's useful. I'm I'm an older guy, I'm 56 you can learn a lot and I have moved this right now. And it's It feels very good. Hey, you know how you can learn a lot Adam. If you pay attention to everything, then the truth reveal itself. There you go again, that skill he's got ladies and gentlemen,

sue this silly. Okay, everybody, thank you very much. Please remember to support the work when you do in the work the business of the work. Go to mo fax.com or Moe F und me.com MoeFundMe.com mo will talk to you next time man Thanks again all right talk to you with you that smiles in the pocket you might think I'm trying to be funny but I'm really serious even though we will make it behalf of I'm a sigma and you can see me comments just coming on