43: Black Inc.

For more facts with Adam curry for July 20 2020. This is episode number 43 Cash rules everything around me. The money's Dolla dolla Bill y'all. Yes, here he is our very own Dolla dolla Bill y'all. Hey mo How you doing? I'm doing good Adam, how about yourself? Fantastic man I love this track. This is really good. Wu Tang Clan Wu Tang Clan, the one and only love it love it. Well, apologies everybody it's been we've had a bit of an absence since episode 42 I will take first responsibility since

I decided to pass on my bride away for her birthday. We went to Rona central in Florida, I came back and we're still alive. And, and Moe, you're new. We're still kind of moving. We want to get back on track for Saturday. And I don't know it's like Mo. All kinds of people showing up at the house. Oh, my end. Okay, so it's twice your fault, Adam. Adam was mine. Okay, let's give credit. Let's give credit where credit's due.

All right. So you went on vacation? Yes, I may use the you kicked me down a rabbit hole. Right. Okay. I'm sorry. In that case, yes, indeed. It is my Saturday I get up, Bobby. I got the coffee going. I was saying get my clear list already. And I hear well, I don't actually hear a knock at the door. My daughter come downstairs said Hey, Dad, there's somebody at the door which that's rare around these parts. ADT guy. He shows up, unbeknownst to anybody is like,

Hey, I'm here to put your security system. Man. We've been waiting for two weeks. I'm like, Ah, and it's one of the guys. You can't you can't you can't send them away at that point. I mean, you gotta Yeah, I would have to leave with him. Because we don't have security here. And you know, whatever, whatever. He can eat a lot of coffee for sit and watch for the next 24 hours. Right. So then he was I caught him at the dorm. Like, I want

cameras here, here and here. And I'm trying to go back downstairs every second. He was like, Sorry, do you know this feature? Do you know that feature? I'm like, come on. Man. We just ran out of time. It doesn't all work. Is it all hooked up? And is it all installed? Now? Are you safe? Is the family say yes. Okay. I feel safe. I can see all 360 degrees and my property and nice. I feel quite safe. Excellent. Well, we we of course committed to each other. We're

really going to try and keep a Saturday schedule. Now as things are starting to shake out. And Moe actually has a day job that he's kind of figured into his schedule. So we should be we should be good for our Saturdays from now on God willing. You never know life does get in the way from time to time. How about I cannot say one thing, please for before you do. The reason why I had to stay on schedule now is because of my newest biggest fan. Even before the show, I was his biggest fan. My uncle

Richard. Oh, okay. He is now he is now. Yeah, he isn't. I found out he's a listener. So he's like, he's like when you're dropping. We're dropping. Uncle Richard. Nice. Well, at least we know we have one fan. That's good. I know. We got a lot of producers out there but actual fans. Alright. This is a big deal. All right. Well, I'm going to see what we got on the old. We'll have topics. Man, there's so much but we know it's somewhere located near a rabbit

hole. So as we see it go round and round. Where does it stop? Nobody knows. Moe knows because today's show topic is we are trained Marxists. That would be Patrisse Cullors. What's your name from Black Lives Matter? Yes. portrays colors young black. Days, correct? Yes. Oh, by the way, I want to come right out to us. Yes. Go ahead. Before we start, I just wanted to say, are we going to talk about Kanye today at any point? No, okay. We can't. We can't even Kanye. He needs his

episode. He had one episode already. Exactly. Exactly. All right. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to call your rabbit hole. No, no, you're right. It's that's the major. That's a major major. It's flat. It's a slag topic. It's on the way. There will be plenty of time. No doubt. Yes, we have to talk about the Patrisse Cullors. And her mission that we all have speculated pointed to, but she just came right out and said it that they're trained Marxists. Yes. Yes. That was pretty good.

So as you always know, I want to go back and listen to the whole interview that that snippet came from. Yep. And that is Warren Mr. Jared a ball and it's time I know an interest interesting interview with Black Lives Matter co founder, Patrisse, Cullors

Supertrees. For those who may have just been introduced to you in a most direct way at the Netroots conference, intervention you conducted, please help them in us see past what appears, from my point of view to have been a tremendous amount of appropriation and suppression of you, and bull and Alicia as founders, and the particular brand of radical

black gender and sexuality politics you all work with. So if you would please summarize for us how you see the origins, politics, and purpose of Black Lives Matter. Wow. So I kind of remember there was a disruption at the net roots, which is a political thing, isn't it? Net roots? Yes, yes, I seem to recall this. It was pretty much they were trying to be co opted. As you know, with any organization, they usually take the leaders out or replace the leaders. So as Jared said, they were being

suppressed and were appropriated. And then he also said, a radical brand, a black gender, Oh, yes. Sexuality politics, which to me sounded like, wait a minute, do we have more lesbian black women on the scene again, because this is I've seen this. Yes. And and we're really going to get to what Black Lives Matter is about. And I want to say this, I know I tried to run with the term Black Lives Matter, Inc. Yeah, differentiate between the organization and the people on the ground. But I

think I'm gonna shorten it up just to black ink. And black ink is pretty much going to be anything that's done as far as business that can be the Al sharpnose of the world, the Jesse Jackson's the black law matters. And we'll be just nice, short and sweet blogging. I like it. I like it. I'm actually going to see if I can find the domain name. Continue playing along. Alright, so to further flesh out this radical Brando, black,

gender and sexuality, politics. And clip number three, they go on to talk about black men? I think that's a great question. And the first place I'll go is the origins come from a deep place of black love and black

rage. Both at least Yeah, myself and Opal feeling the impact of George Zimmerman being acquitted of Trayvon Martin's murder, what that actually meant for our society, what that meant for this country to allow for this light skinned, white passing man to kill a young boy and get away with it, we knew this was going to have consequences far greater than that current moment. And so

black lives matter was a call for all black lives. And it was important for us, as black women as and two of which are queer, was to actually talk about the totality of black life, and that black sis men are not the sum of black people, but rather, all

black life being the totality of black people. Whether that's black trans folk, whether that's black folks who've been incarcerated, whether that's black folks who are currently incarcerated black folks with disabilities, we want it to call a new black liberation movement that centered those most at the margin as a part of a political frame to challenge the current system that we live in. Well, Mo sounds to me like you're out. You're on the outs there, man. You don't don't count.

I am not surprised. I was never surprised because as she said, I mean a lot this clip. There's a lot to unpack. First of all the origin that she said it comes out of black love and black rage. Yeah, black rage towards who is a question that we need to ask. Because that's to crew women. And she also said, I'm sure there's some black rage aimed at Black men black cisgendered men to be specific. She also says about a lack light skinned white passing man, or she referred to George

Zimmerman. Because as we all know, George Zimmerman will be actually classified as Hispanic Latinx but better excuse me. So um, this light skinned white passing man. We've talked about passing on his show and then she rounds out the clip with Black says men are not the sum of black people. Yeah. Even though they use black sis men, in majority to push their call sort what this says I've been saying And we are being used. We're a

political football. Mmm, yep. To kick open and what they realized is what all other groups have realized about black people. They said, Okay, we can use black men to kick open the door and leave black men holding the door while we rush. everybody rushes in. Yeah, exactly. So, um, are you surprised at this? You know, as well, we, of course, we've done some work on Black Lives Matter. And I've researched it quite a bit myself. And to hear that there's a strong anti man element in it

now is not surprising at all. It's, it's part of the problematic patriarchy. In this case, it's specifically sliced and diced. And, yeah, it seems like a repetition of what we've been talking about for almost, by the way, July 31. Is our one year anniversary. So yeah, it's, I mean, am I surprised? No, but that's because I've been around for almost a year. And what I wanted people to realize is I've said this a couple times. One is we brought up this term heteronormative.

Yeah. Patriarchy. Yeah. I think that's I think that's the term. And I've also stated that there's been an article written and one Jamel Hill supported this article, it got a lot of support from what you call allies of Black Lives Matter, stating that black man, all the white people are black. Yes, exactly. We'll get around to breaking that down eventually. But I wanted this interview. Everybody ran with the Marxist thing. Yeah. But I

think this is more telling entry to the black community. Because black men are the catalysts that black men being killed in the street are the catalysts for what's going on? For everything that's going on, but they want to say, oh, no, we'll push it to the side. And we're talking about our gender. And I won't I don't want to belabor the point but we talked about one other shows that they brought out climate change and it's kind of weird. What it is it's exclusionary it's all she

literally said it she said all lives matter. But you know, we really need to focus on anything But sis black men. That's That's what she said. You can't deny it. Yes, good with the problem. I started with a with a white Hello, hello. With a white people black. Why do you think why do you think we've joined in together on this show, man, it's like white, white men are the even bigger problem. So yeah, it makes sense. And I'll say this, I'll say this in closing, and we can go to the

next clip. But they're putting black sis men in a very paintless into a corner because now you're making us choose between being, quote unquote, black, or being a quote unquote, man. Yeah. And that's not a decision you really don't want us to make? No, just just being honest. So um, wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Yes. Which to me means if you really had to choose gun to your head, you choose for being a man? Yes, I had to choose me at first, I would have expected

nothing else from me, actually. So yeah. Because that's more of my identity. I mean, if you want to get into identities, that's a bigger part of my identities course and blackness. Yes. Well, this is so this I know, because, you know, we hang out.

Right? So, um, I guess we can get right into Marx's bow, do you respond to that particular critique, again, a loving critique from an elder of the struggle that some others share that I've even shared as well, to be frank is a concern about in part because of the CO optation and the appropriation, that more clear ideological structuring might be of some value here. But how do you respond to to those kinds of getting loving criticisms? I think that the criticism is helpful. I also think that it

might. I think, a lot of things. The first thing I think, is that we actually do have ideological frame, myself, and Alicia, in particular, are trained organizers. We are trained Marxists. We are super versed on sort of ideological theories. And I think that what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk. We don't necessarily want to be the vanguard of this movement. I

think we've tried to put out a political frame. That's about centering who we think are the most vulnerable amongst the black community to really fight for all of our lives. Kind of kicking myself because of course I was one of those dope She just got the Marxist comment for the no agenda show and left it at that. But you're right. There's a lot in his. This is deep. I'm really glad you did that. We've trained you well on the no agenda show.

So this other setup is Jared. Jared asks, Patrice about critic Sam Black Lives Matters, lacks structure or a plan. So she, I think she was irked by that because one jarred himself being a man I was questioning, questioning her and then it was an elder that hall so he framed the question that had brought up the point and he agree with the point, right, so I think she was hurt. And by being hurt, she let the truth come out. To say that

we're train one train organizers. And when I hit the word organizer, I think community organizer, and I think no, not Umberto. Right. So you here trying to organize ourselves? Okay, so my ears perked up, and then she drops the hammer. She said, we're trained. She's, no. That's a very good analysis. I think you're right. She just needed to she was like, Who do you think I am? And that's your right. And she let it slip out and says, Excuse me, just so you

know, I'm not some dipshit who just stood up here. I'm a train train Marxist. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Like a revolutionary like, don't mess with me. She used the word. She said. We're super versed. Yeah, super first. So she's a super. So she's a super train Marx's super first. Are we I'm not surprised, though. Because if you saw that was me breaking down the waves, right? The first wave are Marx's tactics. Yep. And then you use the second wave, a proper arm,

excuse me of provocateurs, third wave your criminal element. And in the fourth wave, you blank it at all, and with the good people. So then you hide amongst the masses who did this interview again? Who was the interviewer? This is Jared a ball from the Mix What I Like, I guess podcasts are show. So Well, I was a great font for him. I would guess I would hope that he that his follow up question was, where did you receive your train your marks his training

and who trained you? And could you give me a little details on that? I'm sure that was a question, wasn't it? No, it wasn't I will say this about Jared. Jared seems to be very left leaning. I don't want to taint cast anything upon him. But he seems me He's big. He's as my major and colonialism. He's a professor, so on black history and things of that nature. So I think he understood what she was saying it was nice. What's understood doesn't have to be a splaying kind of

situation. Okay. All right. So to set up this next clip, she portrays goes on to define black and black lives matter. One last question, if I could real quick, there has been some controversy in some circles over the definition of black. Could you say a word or two about how you can see the term black and what you mean, when you say black lives matter. Black to me is both about a race that's been constructed, but

it's also a political statement. It's a political framework. And I think it's important, as we're building out this movement for black liberation, that we in the Black Lives Matter movement, allow for necessary debate, to come up around how we use the term and who's using a term and when it's used, and why it's a it's an important point to sort of build people together. And I think it's specifically important when it comes to how the US is very clever at turning other groups. White, right, and

making them white. And we've seen that throughout history when groups are not white. And when the white power structure was threatened, they figured out a way to make groups white. And I think as we move forward, we have to figure out political alignments that hold blackness as a as a broader framework than just sort of the skin we're in but as a political statement.

I'm curious what groups she's talking about, because a lot of the groups that we've discussed in the past started out with white leadership, including historically black colleges and NAACP, what groups is she referring to? When you say groups? I mean, can you can you clarify what you mean organizations? NAACP are the groups where she talks about uprisings and like Black Panther. I'm not sure. Oh, I think what she says so she says, Okay, it's

come with me. She says there one She blames America for making other people white. When it's when it's convenient, correct. Well made that statement. Well, she said that, you know, we have groups and then the US he said is great at turning them white or making them white. I got I got I got it. I got it. No, no watch what she's referring to is how the Irish was the Irish in the name room, a white, Hispanic white god. Oh, all right. I'm glad we figured that one out.

We were hearing it two different ways. Yeah. That was kind of cool. Actually like that. Yeah, that was cool. Okay, so how I heard it was when the non white people quote unquote, white people numbers are low. They'll ingrain in graph. I mean, but the other group, but that's basically me. That's the system of white supremacy that was started over in Europe. That was I've learned so much. Oh, teach. I want to start on my

forehead. Yes. Okay. That is true. That is truly the that capturing that way is what we've defined as true white supremacy. And the point I want to make is she just did this a clip previous two clips prior with George Zimmerman, because she made him bam, okay, I got it now. All right. All right. And here's the conflict. And this is why I have to use black ink. Because unbeknownst to me, Oh, I thought Black was talking about my lineage. But little did I know,

it was also a political statement. I would know. walkie talkie political state sandwich guy, you know, hanging? He got the sandwich boards on the front in the back. Wow. All right. So this is why we have to use this term from 43. Own. We're talking about black we have to talk about black ink. Yep. Because black ink is the political statement, which they are monetizing. Yes, or political and monetary gain,

right? Yes, she says who can use the term? So basically, it's a licensing agreement we're determining we're going to use well and you know that but

no, that may not be far off. I'm sure that you can't just be using black lives matter and I'm sure that's all licensed they got that down man they had that I mean, I found out they had that locked up and 2015 that it also showed up the legalese everything for all the trademarks you name it but they're talking about black Excel Oh, this is why we saw all these millions and millions of dollars pouring in for corporations to be like we need to be black affiliated right so

it's kind of like he the high efficient on your on your guy like all your all your brands are black friendly. So that's that's the money you saw. And she and finally she said she blacks as broader framework than skin. She said blacks as a broader framework than the skin we're in. Yes. So now they've just got to graft in who they want to to be black. Yeah, yeah. That That, by the way, is the work of a train Marxist. That kind of wording is good man that now she's good at

it. She's good, give her big props for that. So we have the burqa black ink. So now we have to go back and say what is Marxism and who is Karl Marx. Marx was born in 1818 interior in Germany. Soon he became involved with the Communist Party, a tiny group of intellectuals advocating for the overthrow of the class system, and the abolition of private property. He worked as a journalist and had to flee Germany, eventually settling in

London. Marx wrote an enormous number of books and articles, sometimes with his friend Friedrich Engels, mostly Marx wrote about capitalism, the type of economy that dominates the Western world. It was in his day still getting going. And Marx was one of its most intelligent and perceptive critics. These were some of the problems he identified with it. Modern work is alienated. One of Marx's greatest insights is that work

can be one of the sources of our greatest joys. But in order to be fulfilled at work, Marx wrote that workers need to see themselves in the objects they have created. Nice, I bet you you've been on this case. Yeah. For a while now, but I bet you didn't realize it. You want me you want to know what it is please? No two boys a Marxist. Oh, yeah. He just said what he just said I need to recognize myself in my

word. Yes. Yeah. It That's exactly what he was saying. He was saying, I know you don't want me to make the noodles this way, but I need to recognize the noodles in the news. I don't see myself and that's best pure marks is taught. So I don't want to take your noodle gun from you because that's the no agenda thing. So I came up with my own thing is called the castle cannon the castle and I love it. I love it. I love it that is gonna be here that thing again. Nice, cancel cannon. Excellent.

Excellent. So we're seeing these the intersectionality to use the language of new to boy, Black Lives Matter. They're all saying we want to take ownership and control. The you know, the organization? Yes. And we want to control production, which is where socialism and communism come in. Right. And this is I just wanted to point that out because I was like, wow, like, cuz they didn't dawn on me. It was like,

notable, I thought he was just complaining. And like, you know, it was like more of I don't want to get into the generational war. But more like a millennial just complaining about, you know, why do we have to do it this way. But this is ironclad Marxism that he was kicking out. Well, especially in light of how Patrisse Cullors was talking about, you know, it being more than just the skin goes beyond the skin become part of something else. And that would be the work, I guess.

Yes, this is the work. Just as an aside, because I've done a lot on Karl Marx and his name was mentioned in that first clip Richard angles. The thinking for me goes that marks here. He was a journalist, he was really kind of like a blogger of his age. And I believe it was a lot of Richard angles or angles, actually, that had a lot of the ideas. And Karl Marx blogged about it. And he got most of the credit doesn't really matter because Marxism remains the same, the same thing.

Yeah, my angel ism doesn't have the ring to it. At all, absolutely. It's all about the branding. Of course, in the day, why do you think I'm the pod father and Dave Winer hates me, man, it's obvious, right? It's all about branding. So I guess we can get deeper into who Karl Marx was with a clip seven. Part of the problem is that modern work is incredibly specialized, specialized jobs make the modern economy highly

efficient. But they also mean that it's seldom possible for any one worker to derive a sense of the genuine contribution they might be making to the real needs of humanity. Marx argued that modern work leads to alienation and finding, in other words, a feeling of disconnection between what you do all day, and who you feel you really are, and what you think you'd ideally be able to contribute to existence. Modern work is insecure. Capitalism makes the human being utterly

expendable. Just one factor among others in the forces of production, and one that can ruthlessly be let go, the minute costs rise, or savings can be made through technology. And yet, as Marx knew deep inside each of us, we don't want to be arbitrarily let go with terrified of being abandoned. Communism isn't just an economic theory, understood Emotionally, it expresses a deep seated longing that we always have a place in the world's heart that we will not be cast out.

Yes, a lot to unpack there. One, I think a lot of these people to get sucked into Marxism is because they don't have the family there, right? I mean, that's where you really find your identity and your family and that kind of thing. So if your whole life is dedicated to your job, you're saying to your job, I need you to appreciate me I can't let you cut me off easily. So I think that's why we're starting to see this pivot back to Karl Marx communism socialism in there it's all it's

all I'm saying malmark is on the same road. I mean, in my opinion, yeah. And the lack of a father may is probably just as you know, forget just family just like a man about the house. So maybe that's why they're number one target is the man I mean, it just becomes cyclical right? It just seems itself feeding Yep. Now I will say I do myself have capitalism is the best system I don't think we're in a capitalistic society

anymore. I think it's more corporatist are some people even say, what is it what's the tyranny like the US technocratic yet tech society? Yeah, that's another good one. So but um, Henry Ford, just as a small aside, Henry Ford, had realized this issue that profit sharing right you have this you have this share that profits with the workers to keep the workers motivated. And he had this thing called a social welfare department. And what he would do is he would study the workers.

And he would give him, he came up with the $5 a day, $5 per day work day, which was unheard of 1914. He also, um, was the 40 hour workweek. So I think within capitalism, there is an opportunity to balance out the worker and employee II relationship. But this is what the communist slash socialist slash marks its prey on is this rift between the worker and the employee. And I think capitalists have to do a better

job. And that's just my quick aside. Well, and I would add to that, I know a lot of people who still work at the Ford Motor Company today, and that that was that culture, of being proud of what they're doing all together is definitely still there. I mean, they they love the cars that they build. And you know, the stuff you see in the commercial, you know, wherever we work here, boom. And I'm sure Chevy has the same with

the Ford Motor Company still has that absolute culture. And I think the people that are still pretty happy, even though of course, they're being eliminated by automation, but you know, it's not that fast to process and there's always human creativity needed. well being and manufacturing myself anytime you could point to your children as they are built that are held, right that yeah, that is great for society in itself, because it allows

your children to have a certain respect for you. That my dad correct something. Yeah, of course, you have any other industries as well. But I'm just not speaking in manufacturing terms, because that's when it was really industrial age when this thing was really kicking up, right, with Karl Marx. So let's wrap up, wrap up this final set of clips with prothesis death. This is perhaps the most obvious question that Marx had with

capitalism. In particular, he believed that capitalists shrink the wages of the laborers as much as possible in order to skim off a wide profit margin. He called this primitive accumulation or springlake, to accumulate Xian, whereas capitalists see profit as a reward for ingenuity and technological talent. Marx was far more damning, profit is simply theft. And what you're stealing is the talent and hard work of your workforce. However much one dresses up the

fundamentals. Marx insists that at its crudest, capitalism means paying a worker one price for doing something and then selling it to somebody else at a much higher price. Profit is the fancy term for exploitation. For that day, I can see I can see why that made sense. I don't think it's true anymore. I mean, that people get screwed. Yes, but there's a Go ahead.

No, no, you're on the right path. And if you look at me just putting on an improper context, if you're talking about black people fresh out of slavery, and experiencing sharecropping, we you hear this just on a surface level, it may seem appealing to you. Yeah. But one side is like, right, you mean like the food I do all the work? Exactly. Take all the profits. You basically it sometimes you leave me in debt,

a lot of times sharecroppers were left in debt. So when you hear this alternate economic ideology, you it might seem appealing to you, but there's only one problem well as problems. What I'm saying to them when the one thing they didn't realize was the term collectivism, right, and we're gonna hear about that from Stephen Kotkin from the Hoover Institute, collectivization, you're going to correct me on this ties the peasants to collective farms forces them to work on

collective farms, in effect reintroducing serfdom. Have I got that right? Yes, that's basically the story. All right. And you write here that Stalin in imposing collectivization and slaved 100 million people, again, I got that right, all right. Why, why was that necessary? Why was collectivization of such importance to Stalin? In the old days, people argue that it was necessary because this is how you modernized a peasant country, right? You

modernize the peasant country through coercion. You use the state, to force everybody to do what the state needed them to do. And that's how you built an industrial power out of a peasant. Marxism Leninism and collectivization is necessary How come so modern those terms outcome. Marxism is about the trade sentence of capitalism. Capitalism is evil, alienation, exploitation, war, on mass

unemployment and depressions. So the hat in order to get to a better place in history, Marx argued, capitalism had to be transcended the huggy alien word of Hegel. Hmm. So here we have them basically saying communism or Marxism is going to lead you right back to slavery. I don't think this sharecroppers part of it, instead of you paying your money to the crooked slave owners, you would just pay it to the state. Yeah. Sounds about right. Right. And

it goes from, you know, what is it? But of course, there's the there's the illusion, the illusion is that you know, that the state, of course, is made up by the people, until you find out that it's really only the people who are in the party. And that's really it's net, it's nepotism all throughout. That's how that's how that usually works out. And that's the problem, because all you system are ran by

humans, and humans are self self gratifying. So at the end of the day, you're gonna still be dealing with the same problems. You haven't curb capitalism, like you said, nepotism, favoritism. And all other forms of just unequal and unfair, unfair practices when, when, when it's appropriate in the show mode, let me know when I can tell you about the new emergent form of autism, that we're that we're right now that we're in right now. What kind of

an economy I think that is being formed. Just if there's a spot, let me know. And I'll give it to you. Okay, if not, if we get too far along, just just drop it off. So we have talked about communism, and its relationship to civil rights. And just to bring people up to speed. I have a throwback clip from show 22. And this is Danny Rubin, who was a major figure in the Communist Party. He talks about Rosa Parks and

the bus movement. So you know, a couple years later, we went to them and asked them to help finance these buses of young people to use march in support of the Supreme Court decision. They did it they know that's a towel, we were able to bring 2000 young people to DC what else? Oh, so I'm so I'm getting a picture. This is this is the stuff closest to 60. That led up to it. Of course, there was Rosa Parks and, and the Montgomery bus boycott and the

Montgomery. I forget what they call it Association, something Association. And we had a role in those things. Rosa Parks was was active in the southern negra Youth Congress. People knew her. She was not a party member. But after she became a heroine, she was, you know, friendly. Well, that maybe this is a good point for you to mention the Highlander Folk School. Maybe that's a good time for you to mention the Highlander Folk School. Yeah, I intend to. Let me just finish this.

So yesterday, I was I had my headphones on. I'm listening to Kanye A's rally in South Carolina. Ne Ne asked the crowd, he says, you know about Rosa Parks, right. You know, she wasn't the first and I'm like, Yeah, Claudette Colvin, I know, I know. He never got to it, because he got cut off something like that. But it was it was interesting. The audience there was certainly not all in the No. Of course not. I mean, because his narrative and I keep telling

these things. This narrative is more powerful than real history always. And I've said this before, and I know, I keep saying it's a hot take. But then that narrative of slavery is just as dangerous to black people as the actual act of slavery was because it leaves us in a state of perpetual victimhood. Yeah, I'm ringing the bell for you. Alright, so we have Rosa Parks here. We know the real Rosa Parks. She liked guns, so she wasn't all for she wasn't all

for the non violence part of civil rights. And they may say she was friendly. She can never be official party member because she was too close to King. Right and that and King hat was the squeaky clean guy. We always say any any any nefarious organization, you gotta have the clean guy, you know the bad guy? Well, as I've learned to say to people oh am okay. Yeah, he was the Greta of the time. Right. So I mean, you can't have Greta out here. Getting all

dirty or taking yeah, getting dirty. So, Bob, just by association, Rosa Parks couldn't be seen as communist as well, because a lot of people early on knew what that meant. And it also often open them up for Hoover to you know, have a clean line of attack against them. Yes. With that said, what we need to do is go way, way back before Rosa Parks, and how carbon with communism brought raw racial equality to the south. I'm Michelle Martin, and this is Tell Me More from NPR news.

First, we continue our Black History Month series of conversations. Throughout this black history month, we've been focusing on new news about black history, new scholarship that has emerged in recent decades that sheds new light on the story of black people in America. Today, we want to hear about communists in the civil rights movement. Now that's a sensitive subject, since those working for equality have often been accused of being communists in this country, but some

weren't. And we're joined now by Robin Kelly, author of hammer and hoe Alabama communists during the Great Depression, it documents how the Communist Party worked to secure racial, economic and political justice. He's a professor of American Studies in history at the University of Southern California. And this semester, he's the Harmsworth, Professor of American History at the University of Oxford, and we welcome you to the program. Thank you for joining us.

Geez, somehow I didn't read about this in the 1619 project. I don't understand how that could have missed that. Well, it's because you have to protect your assets, one being MLK, which I tell people, and we're gonna see it later in the show is he's the greatest control mechanism. They have over black people, right? Not him that not demand but the product that they created from his legacy is quite clear that the civil rights movement was birthed out of communism, and communist tactics,

not really not really taught not really taught that way. I will. Marxist teacher, a Marxist university that could teach you about Marxist influence on exactly No, I'm I'm all in and this is a little discussed topic in a main in a mainstream way. That's a great fine, this NPR stuff is fantastic. Yeah. So I guess we can just get into Robert Kelley talks about the sharecropper movement.

How did you get interested in this topic? And as I mentioned, it is a sensitive topic, because there are those for decades who've worked to tamp down the suggestion that anybody in the civil rights movement was attracted to the Communist Party at all. Exactly. And this is a story that actually predates the civil rights movement as we know it. Going back to the 1930s. I became interested in this as a doctoral dissertation back in the mid 80s, when I was very active in a lot of social

movements in actually in the LA area. And I wanted to know, how the communist party organized African Americans, particularly in places where black people were the majority. And there I discovered a very vibrant movement that very few people wrote about that basically are two stories, one memoir by a man named Jose Hudson. And then another story in a book called all God's dangers, which is about an African American sharecropper,

dangerous, the life of Nate Shaw. I remember that exactly, but his real name was Ned Cobb, and he was a pseudonym. And it's a beautiful book that tells his life story, only a portion of it deals with his membership in the communist led sharecroppers union, which at one point, had about 12,000 members in the black belt counties of Alabama,

and we're all the members black. Well, in Alabama, there was a point when basically all the members except one were all African American sharecroppers and tenant farmers. Well, I can see where all this is headed. I love it. Um, see so as this, the interviewer stated, they there has been a concerted effort to tamp down this is her words to tamp down the communist connection with the Civil Rights Movement indeed, so this is

clear. This is clear suppression. Yeah. And it's really not because they didn't want to cover the story is they wanted to cover their tracks because the media is in on this whole thing. You have media, academia and some businesses There are all in on pushing this narrative. And as um wow. I see the repeat coming. I see the cycle for me this is this is very interesting. I like it. Yeah. So as Robin Kelly also said there was 12,000 members in

Alabama alone all black. Yeah. All black. So I mean, we this is speaks to how widespread it was. And it predated the civil rights by like 30 years. So this is nothing, this is nothing new. So you can see how Rosa Parks, she was born into pretty much this environment of, of communism, and it seems so appealing, obviously, if you're a suppressed worker, or you're black in the South Sea. Yeah, I mean, I can totally Yeah, this sounds like a good idea.

That's why I made the statement about the sharecroppers and their their prom target. Yep. And not just because I think so, Moscow thought So start thinking, how did the Communist Party get started in Alabama, in 1928, the communists position internationally was that African Americans in the South have the right to self determination, meaning they have the right to create their own nation in the South. In this position that came out of Moscow, it came from

other black communists around the globe. And with that idea in mind, they sent two organizers to Alabama, and they went to Birmingham. And it chose Birmingham because it was probably the most industrialized city in the south. And they went there thinking they would organize white workers and from white workers, black workers would follow, but no white workers who come forward. And so the first two organizers was a guy named James Julio, who was a Sicilian worker who had migrated

to Alabama, and another guy named Tom Johnson. And together, they went out looking for white workers, and black workers came. And black workers came in fairly large numbers right away. Because for them, they had a memory of reconstruction and memory of the Civil War. And in that kind of collective memory, they were told that one day the Yankees would come back and finish the fight. Or when they saw these white communists, they said, Oh, good, the Yankees are here. We can't wait to join.

Wow, that's fantastic. What a great clip. Oh, my goodness. So you have Moscow monitor monitoring the black south. It's exactly what Trump and Russia was accused of. Yeah, collusion. Right. It was Trump, he's targeting black people because, you know, their distrust. And, you know, the Russians are fomenting division with you know, with these emails, these destructive emails and social media post, bro.

It's a cycle. It's a cycle. It's a cycle, but it wasn't coming from Russia, that's the problem was out in the open, it's still out in the open. Right? And then you have the black people thinking, well, if, if these are the people want to put the bad white people in the south, and you have these outsiders coming in, offering you what you perceive to be better. Well, so So basically, like a better deal.

So just to summarize, before the Civil Rights Movement well, before it, our black brothers and sisters were sucked into a communist trap. Which they seem to still be caught in only it goes by different names. Now. It's, it's not the same, you know, we get, we get sucked in, and then we'll find a way out, and then they'll rebrand and we get sucked in again, from the newer generation, and then we'll fight our way out, and then we get sucked out again, it's new

code. It's like, this is the third cycle of being sucked into communist mindset. Yes. Wow, this is so good. I don't see why people go to school to learn this stuff. You could just listen to a podcast. Right? Before what was the name of the guy who was really the speech writer behind Martin Luther King, who recently got a commendation from Congress was just named the gay guy who got caught. They know they are resting. That's right. Okay, cuz I was trying to tell somebody the other day.

Oh, he's got he's gonna make an appearance. In today's show. Nice. Nice. Nice. Okay, good. So we have, let's see, we start with 13. Okay, let's get right right into 14. What was the Communist Party's message at that time? And why were these black folks so attracted to it? Well, there were three things. They focused on one, because it was during the Great Depression. Their primary focus is the unemployed. And so their demands were, we want either work or

some kind of support from the government. The second thing was in 1931, you had the famous Scottsboro case when nine young black men were arrested. falsely for raping two white women and they end up going to jail. Well, these cases happen all the time where black men are falsely accused. The difference was at the Communist Party made the Scottsboro issue an international issue. They put it in the newspapers, they spread the word all over the globe in different languages. And these

unknown figures suddenly became a kind of cost celeb. And finally, the third thing was basic civil rights. The right to vote, the right to sit on juries, you know, the right to not be Jim Crow segregated. These things certainly drew out black working people. Yeah, fantastic. Made that makes so much sense. They use the same taxes as they've used today, this floating of criminal cases with propaganda all around the world. And for the gain of the cost for the game for the Communist Party.

Well, what they figured out, I guess, is that, hey, we can do this trick with any marginalized group. Just tell people hey, are you this Are you that we can do the same thing for you? That's the that's what's happened is the expansion of that. Right, and their reaction is so visceral to black racial issues. Yes. Because you know, it's, it's hag alien. The black against the white, you know, um, so it feeds right into it. Um, so I found this interesting set of clips next, and this is Mr.

Leonard Patterson. He's a black man who exposes communism and explains why he was a communist. the spoken word library presents, I trained in Moscow for black rebels in a lecture by Leonard Patterson. Cool. Mr. Patterson joined the Communist Party in Philadelphia in 1928. He rose rapidly through the ranks went to Moscow for advanced training along with such well known party officials

as Steve Nelson, Benjamin get low and Claude Lightfoot. In fact, while in Russia, he was the roommate of Gus Hall later to become head of the Communist Party USA. Leonard Patterson was no small time operator within the movement. He was a member of the National Committee and National Bureau of the Young Communist League, a member of the Central Committee of the Negro commission, and chairman of the International Negro

commission of the Communist International. He organized and led picket lines, strikes, goon squads, and riots, all in accordance with orders from party headquarters. He was an active and effective communist propagandist, not only in the United States, but also in Russia and Germany as well. Mr. Patterson left the Communist Party, when he finally realized it wasn't honestly interested in helping negros that it was just using him and his people as cannon fodder to create hatred

and violence. And that the goal of the communist movement was the enslavement of all peoples. Oh, man, and my mind is just wandering as I'm thinking about that. Do you think it's possible that later when J. Edgar Hoover came up in the FBI and knowing that he was essentially passing black man, that his his that his search to root out communism was in any way related to suppressing his race?

I can see, I can see one of two ways. He could say, Okay, I'll use communism as an excuse to suppress my way race to cover for myself passing. So no one would ever think to look at me that way. Right? Or I can see being a so called black man growing up in the South, maybe he realized communism was a major problem, and then wanted to destroy this. Right? I mean, you could look at it both ways. You could look at it both ways. It gets out of the man's head. No, but you can you

can slice it both ways. Because really, he was really on the heels of communism, and that there was a great overlap between that and the civil rights. I don't know. Um, but in this last clip, Leonard Patterson says, he realized we were being used for cannon fodder. Yeah, I think a lot of what people are saying now and today is like Black Lives Matter, it just using us. It's totally cannon fodder. Yes. And that and even Patrisse Cullors admitted to that, that black

people, I mean, let me get her go correct. And what she says she says black sis men are not the sum of black people. So even though they use this as, you know, their motivation for what they're doing, they don't want to change things for us. And let me just also say just reiterate that because just want to make sure it's understood. Using black men at As the reason for this refers to just, I don't know, maybe she doesn't need to explaining. It's black men that

are being killed. It's black men that are being arrested. It's it's all it's always a black man. So, you know, and but yet you don't really get to be at the party, this is black man to shut up, shut up and get killed, or shut out and be muscle when we need you to be or, you know, it's always just be what you need, what we need you to be. And

that's that's the new new wave that they have gone. And one last thing he said he even mentioned himself, this slave of all people this goes back to collectivism, right, that he really realized, like how long we had it back to slavery here. Just take my word for it. We actually have a clip from Leonard Patterson, in 16. I am Leonard paddock. When I was a young man, only 23 years old,

I joined the Communist Party. I was a member of the National Executive Committee of the American Young Communist League. And 1930. I was official Congress candidate for election to New York State Assembly. I knew Gus Hall, and other top rank of American Communist farewell. Because I trained with them at 11 unit University in Moscow. I joined the party because I honestly thought because we're trying to help

American Negro broke away from the party. When it became clear to me, what it comes we're really up to was to use the Negro people in this country, and a violent and bloody revolution aimed at this 1000 of American Soviet dictatorship. It was that simple. And just still that simple today, make no mistake about it. What is happening in the United States right now, under the banner of civil rights, is exactly what had happened in China, and Cuba, Nigeria, and many other places around the world.

Like ringing bell, my head's exploding here. I was just looking at his Wikipedia page, it will be in the show notes. Wow, this guy is fantastic. What a what a great guy. 30s. We're talking Yeah, holy crap. This is great. All his papers are Howard University. I think this was a great example of one of the sharecroppers mentality that these communists are here to help us. And when you really understand the ideology, it's always gonna be losers. It's always gonna be losers in every

system. And take take the man's word for it. It's not like he was, you know, I mean, we hear that right from the horse's mouth. So I think we talked about he will be considered the first wave in the recent event, that people on the ground getting it all round up bringing attention in using propaganda to draw attention to the you know, a case like this, Mike, George floors will be black ink of the day, getting getting started. But he's first wave, he's first way wouldn't be the second way,

which is the provocateur. He's the criminal element, he's the first wave, we'll call them the proxy, the proxy, right. So let's listen to how they will operate then and even how similar it sounds to now, when I was getting comments in my mind, and body of using honest grievances, and smokescreen, to cover up the true nature of the revolution. We're taught how to use propaganda, around the most not a massive one group against each other. And to make them hate

each other. We learn this intensity of having martyrs and we weren't even allowed to create our own market. The veg did not result from that and we were getting large masses of people and to do street marches and demonstrations. And finally, we weren't struggling way to figure out right, and make them spread and to keep them going. When I returned to Georgia State, I was gonna give them practical plaintiffs participate

in so called non violent demonstrations. Several deliberately calculated white people enter violence against us. Wow. Here's what he basically said we are trained Marxists. Wow, I love that. That's good. But uh, Jim, I hadn't heard of William L. Patterson. What a gem of a guy. He's written a lot of books. He sent us on his grievances and popular slogans. So check back set one group against another with hatred, check, and how to

kick off riots and get people to the streets check. Wow, sounds like the same playbook to me. There is no before Yeah. Oh man. It's beautiful. So now we have the question ourselves is this playbook, hag alien, a hegemony and that you and the bubble around you, or what bar do calls the habitus and the habitus provides us with a way to

measure and gauge where you are, and the network of culture. This network in turn, which is made up of millions of little habitats, Bubbles, is the overall mechanism which decides the course of political economic and cultural action. For example, if the collective habitats of a particular group is fashioned appropriately, then you can predict how that group will act towards another group, say by teaching one group to hate the word terrorist, and then labeling another group of

terrorists. You can now control how both groups will act. This is hegemony. Yeah, and I say hegemony hegemony, excuse me, but this is a term used in Cultural Marxism. Yeah. Yeah, so, it really is the head of Galleon dialectic, right? I mean, you play one side against the other for a desired outcome. Yes, you have problem reaction solution? Correct.

Let me get back to Mr. Linder Patterson. And he's going to talk about being in the streets in New York about 1935 and nigral boiler in Florida killed by going to the store, rather than the actual students of merchandise. Communist Party headquarters decide to marry Martin's boy. So we went right to work pretty loud handbills. And less than I have our after we started that was a race run.

completely smashed on wonders of Whitestone looting the rest. Not picking a bank I read about visa bank I've personally participated in the US arouse emotion on a massive one group against the other and to make them hate each other. We learn to have in mind Martin, and we're even going to create a bed getting automatically result from the atmosphere of hatred. I love this. So they back then they were just sitting around waiting for something to happen. Boom, martyr that kid. Okay.

Same thing. Oh, yes. We don't have to leave the house. You sit on the online look at Twitter. Right but they were using the same same tactics because they can handle deals are basically handouts. So it's their handouts. You have social media posts, right? Getting people motivated. So saying the same exact tactics. I want to go back to hedge money right quick because one point I wanted to make, and this is not only with race, oh, people had to be aware

of when they're getting sucked in until a war Yeah. Where this race, gender or generation days or three fronts that these wars are being fought on right now. We dispatch our shows specifically speaks really to race and common gender, but even with the Boulay I mean you have the boomers and you have the millennials well that that in the ratio itself as well it's also an overarching and I think that's what's been done so expertly well throughout throughout time, is you just

boil it down to red and blue. That and then all these groups fit in red and all these groups fit in blue and that's the meta conduct the meta system up at top which makes it a lot easier and you can always break down and target your little groups underneath with their own little issue. Yeah, and then you can also divide it as we've seen here, one group you can you can slice and dice in terms of you can say okay, now we got black against white. Let's turn the blacks

against the blacks. So now you got demand against the woman right, you got the boomer against the millennial. I mean, if what you're hearing now is right, that's right. You hear a lot of the boomers saying and it seemed Molinos saying what The Boomers dropped the ball. So so really identity politics is just a code word for Marxism. Correct? Yep. And then it starts to splinter out into his own specific forms. As we talked about cultural Marxism. They're also a thing called Black Marxism.

Now black boxes have appeared justice struggles against racial capitalism, war, and patriarchy were actually ramping up in the 1980s, in the global economic slump, like the 70s, had opened the door for an expansion of neoliberal policies already being implemented in the global south. So the economic crisis has also opened the door for privatizing public assets, for the devolution of the welfare state from prison expansion, making tax codes that benefit the rich. And again, this is not

a Republican strategy. This is, you know, it's like every party, every ruling party in the United States from the 1970s, consistently supported neoliberal policies. And in fact, the triumph of racial liberalism can be said, help usher in the rise of mass incarceration, and the deepening criminalization of urban space in the post world war two

period. Now, we know now that liberals also back and expanding criminal justice system, you know, ostensibly to protect African Americans from mob violence but and to address what was perceived to be rising crime rates, following desegregation, but as a consequence, liberals, not just conservatives helped create the criminal justice architecture that fueled mass incarceration. This is the world that young activists inherited the ones that we're dealing with today, the inheritance world.

Wow. I've heard you made mention before and like in the 1980s, the Democratic Party became more of a party for businesses, well, maybe not the businesses, I would say the 90s with the Clintons, the Clintons decided to fundraise instead of from unions necessarily, really went, they went all corporatist. And that, of course, is when China also came into play another fine Marxist slash communist partner in this whole game, who's already been mentioned in an earlier clip.

So I think this is where the special brand of Marxism called Black Marxism had come about, because you start seeing this beef between the far left and liberals right, which is right of the far left. Yeah. They want to be more become more corporate focus. Party, and now they're having to come back around and why you see a Joe Biden that was in the 70s. He was they went away from compassion and rehabilitation, to lock, lock them up. I don't care how they got there. Bring him to here

right. Now they've been bid to the will of the Marxist saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you still need us don't know ever get it twisted, right? And do it without us. And here's how we do it. Watch this. Right. And the corporation's are activating the Marxist. Yeah. I want to make this point clear test. It's so beautiful. The capitalist corporations are activating and actively funding the Marxists. Yes, this is a genius. This is so smart.

Because this is corporate warfare, even though a spot on the streets is corporate warfare. Because what represent capitalism, white men, specifically old white men, so if you can get old white man to be shamed, or removed from the boards of directors, you can get money, you can you can get the older model. You can load up the board of directors with whoever you want to be seen as not. Wow, that is something Kanye said yesterday during his rally. And I didn't even hear it.

He said, I'm on not on the board of the gap. I'm not on the board of Puma. We're changing that. That's got to happen now right now is what he said yesterday. All right. Interesting. So this is we're witnessing a I think this is the response not to get too far ahead of myself. You know, we're in a trade war right now. Yeah, I think this is the response to the trade war, but instead of being fought in the board rooms in negotiating rooms, they're fighting on the streets of America. Wow. Yes,

no, that made me sound far fetched. But that's that's what I truly believe. I got to get my head around that but I like it. But there's that's very interesting. Okay, I got to think about that one. That's a good one. Think about it. But um, we'll get to another expert on the

topic of black Marxism. This is Bill Fletcher Jr. And he's also a professor as well, particularly, for example, on the issue of race, and what has been always called the national economy all questions you had, I believe, have profound influence on Marxism, from Africa, from Latin America from Asia, what has always irritated me, in the Black Freedom Movement is that whenever I encountered someone who says, well, Marxism is a white man's theory. And, and

that's like absurd. Because when you look at the contributions that have been made to Marxism, by people of African descent, it's just simply amazing. I look at Marxism as a theory of emancipation. It is, it is a framework for analyzing history, analyzing society, and a method of thinking. Now, one of the problems that we faced was the rise of post modernism, which I would argue as has been a cancer in the left and has taken people beginning with in some ways, accurate critiques of economic

determinism in Marxism. It then has taken people in this direction of almost romanticizing defeat. Wow. So So one point he made was white Marxism is seen to be a white man's theory. Yeah. But he, in black Marxism, they want to say that, no, no, no, no, no, plenty of black people have quote, unquote, black people who have contributed to Marxism, and

we need our credit. Another tenant of black Marxism is that the white workers can't relate to the grievances that the black workers have different grievance is their sheer, let's just call it their so their sheer whiteness, right? I'm sorry, yes. There's no, you can't do that. It's impossible. Yes. Yeah. You can't identify with my struggle, right? Because it's different here. So that's why you have this separation, even within Marxism, black Marxism. Is this whole, this whole thing

is a whole separate thing. I just want to make people right, but it doesn't, it doesn't really differ other than it's just the same basic ideology, just with different issues at hand. It's just a Galeon. Dividing. Division, of course, of course, if we ever need to, we can pit these two against each other inside our own house. Yeah, perfect. Yeah, and that's what you have now controlled.

Okay, of course, and I understand. So you, then you have two parties, you can control them both because you know the outcome and therefore you control the whole bit because it's all yours to start with. Right? Because you have black lives matter or black ink. We say that you have black ink dragging and white layer Yes. far though. And we're already in we're already seeing this on the streets. Where's there's confusion? It's being played against each other?

Oh, this is great. This is very, very good. So we have to understand all the players in the game. Now so first mission about the straight this cisgendered black male. Yeah, and we seen a so called member of Black Lives Matter. Rise up name halt. Newsom, have you seen Newsom before Adam? No, I don't think so. We're what I've seen him okay Hawk Newsom he you've seen him I was assumed but you probably just didn't recognize them. tall black guy wears black

shades bald head. And the funny thing is he kind of looks like hot from Spitzer for hire, which which Oh, really now which we just talked him on a lot. Yeah. We spoke about him on last show and I looked at him again I was like how wrong he is almost the you know this. Oh, yeah, no, I've seen this guy know who he is. I'm looking at him now Hawk Newsom okay, yes, I got it. I know he's names halt. The other game guys name halt. That's some programming right there, huh?

I would think so. But let's get into the clip of hot new sumo reforming law enforcement in the black community. Protesters in American streets are calling for the country to address our racial tensions, both current inequities and contentious symbols of America's past. But how to do that is a key question. For one perspective. Let's begin with Hawk Newsom, head of Black Lives Matter writer in New York. Mr. Newsome you created quite a stir this week when you spoke with my

colleague Martha McCallum. Let's take a look at what she has said. If this country doesn't give us what we want, then we will end down this History and replace it. All right and I can be speaking physically, figuratively, I can be speaking literally it's a matter of interpretation. Afterward, President Trump tweeted his reaction to your statement. This is treason, sedition, insurrection. Question, sir. What do you accomplish with rhetoric like that? How do you think that helps?

Well, here's the thing. A lot of people don't understand how the streets or the people feel. I have a in depth knowledge of this. I live in the Bronx, I live amongst the people. So it's not like I'm sitting here pushing a button or anyone can

push that button. But if people keep seeing these images of their babies of their relatives of black people being killed, they keep dealing with financial inequality and an equity and it reaches a point of frustration, then people lash out this is a matter of inevitability that people will lash out because they're feeling like they're backed into a corner.

Okay, yes, I remember this quote I remember seeing it thinking hmm gotta look into that and something else happened but from it from his Wikipedia page so the hawk similar similarity doesn't end there as a cast member on cop watch America. So he he plays it basically use the word now he played the it was actually a reality type series, where they did what the black what they did with the Black Panthers did they would basically go out and record cops, oh, interactive.

But now but here, but here we have a statement from from the managing director of Black Lives Matter global network. So that is black ink, says Hank Newsom has no relation to the Black Lives Matter global network founded by Patrice colors, Alicia Garza and Opal tomasetti. And is not the president of BLM or any of its chapters. So he's, he's fake, but he's fake black ink. Yeah. And they use this as opportunity to demo demonize him, and

oh, and he goes in and says, We're gonna burn it down. We're horrible. Right? But that's bad for business. Yes. They're in the same position that Rosa Parks has to be in. Oh, we can't be close to the violence, you know, the course, is bad for the brand, right. That's why we didn't see him anymore. He's got he's gone. He's gone. I haven't seen him yet.

Actually, this was done on Fox News. So that was the only place you could find that that will even bring him on to make let him clarify his statement. And don't think that you don't underestimate that as a coincidence. I was not I mean, he's a knockoff. He's a knockoff Black Lives Matter. So like now, we only want the real McCoy with Fox News. Us. Thank you use him to spin their narrative, right. And

which was horrible, because he's spun the wrong narrative. So I'm just saying that groups everywhere is a two for one, you get to call them out as fate fate black ink. And then they also could demonize this black male as being violent. Yes. Fantastic. What a great, great decoy and he's gone. He's they probably locked him in the freezer.

Either here. So I guess we can get into 2.1 When Mr. Newsome but just two years ago, back in 2018, you gave a TED talk, in which you preach nonviolence and talked about how during the riots in Baltimore, over the death of Freddie Gray, you tried to stop the violence. I'm going to play a clip of you from just two years ago. Do you have love in your hearts? Do you love your neighbor? Do

you believe in the Bible? The Quran? Do you believe in your religious teachings because I guarantee you all of them tell you to help your neighbor? That man wouldn't have talked about working to burn down the system. What happened? Let me tell you what happened. Let me let me ask you that, Mr. One, this guy after the whole first round 2015 2016 He started meeting with Trump supporters and he was on stage and do a TED talks in the middle of the rose dance. Yeah. Then after George

Floyd, he was radicalized. Yeah. New, new script. All right, let's go and we saw the same radicalisation is with Nick Cannon which we're going to save for a later date to talk about on this show. But can we get a cancellation cannon? Castle cannon for Nick Cannon please got it. Welcome and cancelled, he is. Yeah, he's

out here. What happens here is when they start to radicalize people with this media coverage, it gives black people a false sense of security, that they can open up and tell you everything that's on their mind without any repercussions. Replica repercussions, right? This was happened to haul. The guy got the feeling got good to him. He's like, Yeah, we'll burn it down. And they're like, no, no, no, no, that's not gonna work. No, you went too far on that? Well, it may got him up out of here.

Because I was looking at the TEDx. So not really a TED talk, but a TEDx is billed as the same in 2018, and is there he's local chapter, black lives matter. So I'm sure he was in the group. I mean, you're totally right. He was down. He may still only been claiming at the time, but they cut him off real quick after that burning down stuff. Yeah, they let him speak on their behalf because he kind of was good for good. He filled that gap they needed like,

where's your black male leadership? Oh, yeah. But he wasn't really affiliated so they can easily cut ties with them. Anytime they want to right. Now, we're gonna see I was this guy speaking for Fox. I lost his name. Wallace, I think it's Chris Wallace. Okay, Chris Wallace. Now Chris Wallace is going to use a very familiar tactic that I've talked about on this show is called the MLK trigger.

There has been a split in the, in the civil rights movement, the African American community for at least a half a century now between Malcolm X and by any means necessary on the one hand, and Martin Luther King and working through the system on the other didn't MLK got a lot more done, in a practical sense. Believe that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a brilliant strategist, especially in the form of media savvy, but Well, we have to understand is black people do not trust politicians.

They don't trust black. They don't trust Democrats. They don't trust Republicans. Black people also have a problem with the government overstepping its bounds, the biggest Madison manifestation of debt is policing. So if you want to make government smaller, then you address police on that scale. If you talk about the rift in the civil rights movement, our elders, a lot of them have been bought off by the Democratic

establishment. Right. And they pretty much go with the flow of the Democratic establishment. Wow. Way to get well, she's speaking some truth. There. He is. And that's what probably got more counseled in the morning. Now. That's not that's not really the talking point, Hawk. Right. Could we at the end of the day, the goal is to get black people out and vote. So you can't be out here saying all

the Democrats, that's wrong, we're bought off. Wrong Wrong. I think when he's talking about the democratic ills being bought off by them, by the black elders being bought off by Democrats, he's referring to Malcolm X comments about Martin Luther King, and him being him being bought off by the liberals. And this is the trigger I'm talking about. Well, isn't isn't it more, you know, MLK got more done, you know, you don't want to arm yourself and protect you. He was peaceful.

I hope people are seeing now how the trigger is led this is why MLK the product can never go away. And this is why they'll protect them to the end of his communist socialist affiliations because he's way more valuable. Yeah, no controlling black people. How they paid it. MLK gets Malcolm X to say, oh, you know, MLK was so much Duchess want a cup of coffee at the Woolworths counter? You don't want it good. Do you don't want to kind of protect yourself? Yeah, this this is what I'm

talking about. This is the MLK. I have I found I haven't found a greater example of them using the trigger to make black people docile than this. Exactly. Well, you export Mr. Curry, and to speak to the armed black people arming themselves and compare MLK to Malcolm X. Let's listen to a throwback clip from 43 Wit resting in MLK. My man Ruston. Here we go. What do you want to see Dr. King now So who is it? Good evening, Mrs. King Byard Reston.

Aston is here that I guess we've arrived you stray from the principles of non violence and you're the leader of a nonviolent movement. And yet you have guns in your home and these armed guards outside. Let me ask you something. Mr. Ruston? Would you risk your family for attacking from violence is not the time would you risk your violence, isn't it? I have an obligation family. Well, the guns don't make me feel any safer.

Oh, that's great. Yeah, so there he is that and that was the real the real power came in was Roston you her with me. Okay. This of course, this is from a movie called boycott. But it's biographical pic. So it's should be accurate. And of course readings, things out read support this notion about want to point out to people. You see the LGBT? Yeah. And the women Yes, teaming up again. Now mo K is the leader of this by the narrative. He's the leader of this whole Civil Rights Movement. And they're

questioning his tactics and his his his decision making. He's like, Oh, well, how does it good enough? Make you feel safer? I don't know that. I don't how to get my head around that. Right, but we got to say that they are Russian was a clear and open communist. Well, not only that, but and this is why I brought it up earlier. But also, while at the time, every every LGBTQIA P k plus had to be kind of quiet about it. And he wasn't that quiet about it now? Oh, no. In 2004, I think was 13 Obama

honored Bayard Rustin posthumously. Was it possible that yes, I surprised with it well, but it was with the Presidential Medal of Freedom. But in 2019 Congress awarded him for Well, here's the headline honoring an unsung LGBTQ hero so Bayard Rustin, also got honored for his sexuality posthumously. Just recently, though, which I thought was kind of interesting. What they're probably trying to bring him back to the forefront and you know, the control mechanisms. I mean, they have to

these are their heroes. And he's perfect. He's perfect as the you know, to use just like for African Americans now we can use with LGBTQ because he was actually the guy side by side. Beautiful. Well, when you got to come as we move through, you know, the future. You're going to be hearing more and more. Well, he led King Yep, there you go. Because you're gonna have the There you go. We have this cisgender male. He was nothing without br leading him. And then that's where we're headed.

You're so right. Sadly, she might get a trigger warning. Please, if you can dig it up, because this next clip might trigger somebody out there right, here it is, gentlemen. Yes. I had to play this because of who speaks next and these next to the clips? We have Gavin Gavin McInnes. Oh. You said, Oh, I understand the trigger warning now. Yes, gotcha. Proud boys, a member, a member of the proud boys and suspected racist. But he speaks on Black Lives Matters and then having daddy issues.

So why do the two lesbians who started Black Lives Matter? Why do they love him so much? Because they hate their dads too. Now, I'm gonna be sort of jumping all over the place here. But before I get to them, let me just explain daddy issues. I think we all know what they are. But it's a natural thing. I have it. We've been getting better over time, right? 45 degree angle. And so inevitably, most of us are looking into a father who busted his ass worked way harder than we did. My dad's

been in 1000s of fights. I've been in like 15 And as a young man, I would look into his eyes and see disappointment. I hadn't accomplished anything. I wore communism. When I told him he didn't know about the working man. Fuck you, dad. That's what these riots are. That's what you're seeing on the street now. They're pulling down the statues and people go that's that was an abolitionist. They don't give a shit about what the statue is. They give a shit about patriarchy, masculinity legacy,

because they know they won't have one. And they know their dad did and they're pissed off about it. So what do you do when someone makes you feel like a loser makes you feel disappointing? You trivialize them? Oh, I'm sure shocked a black man like you mo would even play a clip from this horrible racist misogynist a hall. And my retort to that is pay attention to everything. It's usually when you when something is being excoriated in the mainstream, it's always worth a listen. Now, what do you

got to lose? You might learn something. You can learn anything for anybody, either what to do or what not to do, right? I don't I don't blind myself, or deaf myself to voices just because they're not acceptable. Okay, Boomer suicide. So he digs up a little piece of information that has been scrubbed from the internet, about black lives matter in this next clip, Black Lives Matter has been hiding this because the people are catching on. But they said that they are a they are for

radical social intervention. They also said, I don't know if I included this. Yeah, they've removed this from their site, but you can find it on way back. We are committed to disrupting the Western proscribed nuclear family structure requirements by supporting each other as extended families and villages. What happens when your dad kicks you out? You say no, this is my family. And what happens when you feel insecure about that and wonder if it's as good as having a dad? You enforce it? And you

say no, let's destroy the family. Destroy the Father. So no one can kick me out of my house for being a black lesbian teen. This is all totally selfish. They collectively care for one another, especially our children's agree that mothers parents and children are comfortable. Yep, mothers, parents and children. Yep. I'm gonna say it again. mothers, mothers, parents and children. Didn't doesn't have to be a man in that. No disrupting the Western family structure, aka male leadership

is. That's their goal. That's key. Yeah, that's key. That's whenever I hear this. That's even. Well, I wouldn't even say even but Robyn D'Angelo talks about the heteronormative patriarchy, that is a big part of the problem. And she had a lot of problems with her father and family growing up. And as I stay on this show, you know, almost no fault. It starts with us. It starts with is coming for you next, who fill in the blank, whoever it is, it starts with black people are

quote unquote, so called black people. But it is the test room. It's just the beta room. It's like, oh, yeah, we could take the family out. They'll take the frog out their home, then we were successful at that. All right, let's take the father's out of society period. Wow, man will be like the Uyghurs which we have to talk about them on another show? I can't do it. I can't do this with you, Adam. It's like, it's like rabbit hole and the rabbit hole at home like Jesus Christ. I know, come up.

I did dig a lot of holes. And then I'd look at it and go toss this to mow. Right? God as bad. I know. I'll tease here, which I know you hate and some people love Uyghurs. And we've that will be a common topic. Um, but you brought me to China. Hold on, hold on. I'd be we've I'm excited to hear that in the future. Since you took me here, I mean, you gather to me right to China, open on in with what is the Cultural Revolution

to those of us who have never been through it. China's cultural revolution is just a social political movement that took place in China from 1966 to 1976. To many of those who have lived through it, it was probably the worst nightmare of their lives on the surface. It was to remove all capitalistic elements from China, and to remove all traditional and

cultural elements from Chinese society. But what this movements really was was multidose selfish attempt to get rid of his rivals and governments and to revive his image to the Chinese people after it was soiled that dude, his campaign called the Great Leap Forward. Now that campaign ended up creating the largest famine in human history, and killing somewhere between 18 and 43 million people. I think this is from that that guy who did the entire Chinese

history in 30 minutes on YouTube. We're at dawn GA That's it. That's great as fans, everyone should watch that. It's really good. As he just said they started trying to remove capitalism, and then all of history What are we seeing? What are we seeing now in the street? Yeah, well, they removed it more imperialism, wasn't it not capital imperialism. Now, let's say he said capitalist, he would they want to remove all capitalists. Oh, right. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Worse. Of course, we're seeing the exact

same thing. Absolutely. So it makes you question. Only question. Where's the sources is coming from all this kicked up? Right after the China took a major ale and the trade war to Trump? No, yeah, no. Now it also all happens in an election year. So there are lots of agendas that have Confluence and come together, of course, right. But we know. We speculate who controls the media, and we had wall to wall coverage all the way down to Sesame Street.

Well, no, no, of course. I mean, the mainstream media appears to be controlled by China directly or indirectly, certainly, indirectly with the pharmaceutical industry, which

China certainly controls with advertising. And And to add to that we've had the director of the FBI, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of State and of course, the president all go on a massive offensive in the past week alone, about China, what they're doing, where they've infiltrated, calling out collaborators such as Apple, Microsoft, Cisco, Yahoo, etc. And not a peep on the mainstream media. So yes, absolutely.

Well, I'll help people to just listen out in this next clip, but the parallels that went on with the Cultural Revolution, and what's going on now. Now, the Cultural Revolution started off with a campaign to cast away the four Oles the four O's are old ideas, old culture, old customs and old habits. Basically, this manifested in

old books and art being destroyed. Museums ransacked in streets renamed with new revolutionary names, and adorned with pictures and sayings a monster don't everywhere, Malta don't want it to eradicate religion, first and foremost, because without a belief system, the Chinese people are more easily swayed to believe, basically, whatever He tells them, many famous temples, really old, traditional shrines and utter historical heritage sites were destroyed today, when

you go to China, most of the temples in the old historic sites that you see were actually recreated because most of them were all destroyed during the Cultural Revolution where the parent before that, do you see the parallels here renaming streets, Black Lives Plaza, destroying of history, now it just it was under the guise of taking down Confederate statues, which I have no issue

with taking them down. I stated previous before, I mean, previously, that I have no issue with taking them down, I have an issue with the manner in which they're being taken. Now, of course, it's not a democratic process is stupid. But what happens is snowball to all of history's and they call it the four old right, you know, to get rid of Yeah, I think America is going through the one old, old white men, if you get rid of old white man, every single word, it'll be fixed.

Yeah, because the black man won't emulate the old white man. I mean, they'll fall in line and you can solve all your problems that way. I'm just, you're in regards to the Great Leap Forward. and China. This is what Apple CEO Tim Cook said just recently in regards to Black Lives Matter. So it is today, we're at an important moment in our history, a time when progress, which has been far too slow, feel suddenly

poised to move forward in a great lead. Each of us has a role to play in making sure we rise to the occasion. I mean, that Tim Cook might as well just work for the Chinese Communist Party. He certainly has a very deep relationship with Apple has a very deep relationship with and when he those words are not used by accident at all, and the problem with the Cultural Revolution was was bad actors. There was no clear definition of a bad actor. It

was just kind of like now, right? You can just get called and canceled for anything. This person said this 10 years ago, and then, you know, that's why you have a lot of people coming out and apologizing. No, preemptively is I'm sorry. I don't know. I don't know what I did. But I'm sorry. I did it. Yes. And here's my 100 million dollar fund, whatever you do, don't look over here, please. We that's the brand you get the logo, right you get the black

ink stamp and it's like oh, we're good. I have a bag of black ink pass. I'm be above canceling. Hey, we should create those as a premium for donors. What blacking passes. Yeah, Shall Pass. Yeah, why not? We can make our own blacking pass. When you see that domain name I can get I'm sure. A punch card that we need to make it like a punch card. No barcode barcode will be fine. Don't worry barcode will understand for every transgression you get the your

punch down as well. Okay. All right. That way they had to renew. Yeah, you gotta get you had to renew. We got out of punches. It's like a ski lift pass. Okay, yeah, exactly. So, um, I think it's a good point. You know, we talked about that you and I felt this next clip. And oftentimes people want to say, How do I tell people about the show? What is Mofaz? What Adam curry what I don't tell you guys what you're

talking about? Well, this next clip, Adam, I think it describes us and what we do to a tee, and it's from one of your favorite people. Press, the white man and the black men have to be able to sit down at the same table, the white man has to feel free to

speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that negro. And the so called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man, then they can bring the issue that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. What's the only way we'll ever do it? Wow, that's fantastic. That sums it up. And if only we had known this much earlier. How old is this clip where this is what from like 60s something?

Yes. 6460s 6364. I want to say it wasn't a compilation of Malcolm X clips. I mean, I was going through it, looking for something else. And that just Powell was like, holy crap that explains exactly what we're doing. I'm coming to the table, you're coming to the table, we put a fence to the side. Yeah. And we get right to the problems. And apparently, we're going to save the world. I love this. It's a tough job, ladies and gentlemen, we've taken upon

ourselves, but we couldn't do it without you. And this is what Moe was talking about with value for value. And actually, this is where I want to just slip in the idea of, you know, we have capitalism, you've got communism or Marxism. In the media landscape, I think we're seeing a I call it tribalism, or media tribalism. But it really is a form of an economy that has, that has shown that you don't even if you if you have talent, and you want to do something, you don't have to be part of the

system. This is what's changed. And why these systems don't work the same anymore, or are vulnerable. Because we've created models like the value for value model, which means we don't need to have massive scale, we just need to be supported by our tribe by our community. And that's exactly what is happening with Moe facts with Adam curry, as we have assigned everybody the role of producer ship. And without a

doubt, MO You give me way too much credit. But a lot of the a lot of the rabbit holes I fall into and then slide over to your side. Of course, they come from producers, people who are interactively involved in the programming of this podcast. And the only way we can do it and and sustain it is with support and financial support. And we love people who do that. They are often our executive or Associate Executive producers, but everyone has a producer who helps out in any way you can.

But we are very appreciative of the support that we received. Now this is really for the past two weeks, so it's a little bit longer, but the support is overwhelming. And it's just fantastic to read all these notes, which we're going to share now. And we start with Joe Travis, who supports the show with $500 which is fan really appreciated and incredibly nice. And here's what he says mo how're you doing? I just want to let you know I'm not racist. I even had a black friend 30 years

ago in college. Yes, this is this is a new fund donation know what I've noticed that seriously though, he says, you and Adam are doing a fantastic job have learned a lot and the podcast has really made me think I got my college age son into no agenda about two years ago, and I'm getting him started a mo facts now. It's immunized him against the liberal indoctrination at school. Yes. And thank you, Joe, as he says, Thanks. Thanks. Thanks, Joe. That's very cool. That's that's

another thing that's happening. Right now we're seeing with the school closures and kids being threatened to be on Zoom for five hours a day. Parents are now creating pods of homeschooling and they're hiring teachers to come into you know, like they got maybe six or eight kids. It's ingenuity is fantastic. And so I can see, hopefully a different curriculum, maybe even appearing from this Malcolm X approved podcast. It's right there. He said it right there. It's Got it

right there I don't I don't care what you say. We came Butler comes in right after Joe with $300 and says this is only a fraction of the value we have received from listening to dozens of your episodes. Since discuss its first discovering mo facts in May. We'd like to contribute to the GBG jar the give blacks guns, can we get some mo karma for our country

right now? Well, of course we got some of that for you I would be interested to hear your perspective on Rhodesia slash Zimbabwe as well as China's involvement more than we touched on China today. Remember weapons safety rules and rock out with your Glock out? Thank you cane. And so both a Joe and Kane are obviously for obvious reasons. They are executive producers, as is Sir H from San Francisco $200 As in the morning I just caught

up with all the episodes and this is $5 per episode. I wish I could pay a lot more but everyone at my company got a 20% pay cut thanks to the Loana maybe he made Rona but says Lona Russa at the end will be greatly appreciated it Kitagawa sir ah from San Francisco we can give you a WUSA right now ma'am won't be happy to do Amy Ekman comes after Sir H with the $200 as well and says as an avid listener of no agenda, I discovered mo facts. I love it.

I've learned so much from about our country's cultural history that has been lost or rewritten or hidden. I would add thanks to you two gentlemen, I am mo woke. There's a t shirt. So much so many premiums for the show. Keep up the great work Amy from Healdsburg, California. And I did want to say that just before we started recording today, I finalized the archive page archive.mo facts.com has every single episode, almost every single show notes page. We didn't do show notes early in

the show. Like we're doing them now with the clips etc. But you go to archive.mo facts.com and you can get everything going back to Episode One. And it's not a bad idea to start with Episode One To Follow the entire journey. Eric calibrator $143 And he says I say g d which maybe means good day. Great content a hundo for the effort 43 for the next episode, the comment about less than 20% Black does not a BLM protest make really resonated. Some White woke privileged family has

been lecturing me and the missus about our place. I'm an old white guy missus is mixed Japanese American so appreciative of sharing these conversations and viewpoints bonus I'm all for armed everyone thankful for the same nuanced conversation in the morning. Thank you for your courage, love and light sir Eric's naked and thank you very much. Eric. It is appreciated Mad Mike of the traveling spiders 126 43 mo been listening for a few weeks came from a Rogen. No agenda mo

facts. This. This is part of the tribal media concept. There's overlap, and we fly between ro Namo. It's Romo. Exactly. Oh my Corona, mono Namo. And write that down the road. This is very Roan. Mo Holy crap. That's a good one. GBG good blacks guns is spot on best episode yet. You really made an impression and gotten a reformed conservative libertarian to open up his older eyes. Appreciate your view. I can see my perspectives adjusting themselves spreading the word but folks have to wait

to find the truth is true. Unfortunately, most are uncomfortable stepping outside their bubbles but still passing the word. Adam you're not awful. The white guy gets it gets a compliment. They're excellent. Then we go to Century City View was a rather long note 123451 of our favorite donation amounts. And let's see what he says here dear mo anatomy I enjoyed your episode on Tupac. I wrote two books on the murders of Tupac and Biggie with former LAPD detective Russell Poole. He was

the lead detective on the cases. He was also the whistleblower that gave us the Rampart scandal. Oh wow. Police were involved in the murders and police were and still are involved in the cover ups Russell and I second generation a second year investment investigation. In our second year investigation detailed in chaos merchants documented and footnoted every fact this was a work in process at the time of

Russell pools. Death in the meeting with the sheriff's attempting to get the murders reopened and solves Holy crap. This is very interesting and what so if that's the name of the book, it is it is very interesting to consider this topic eyeball always on it. Now, one of my favorite things to research and discuss. Prior to getting involved in all these investigations, I made a doctor Mentri about the Mexican cartels called American

federally. After the books are written I made a documentary on Suge Knight, and then one on the murders called Battle for Compton and made the trip to Minnesota while the buildings were burning in the aftermath of joy, the George Floyd murder, I got to see an intelligence operation unfold in real time. During our protests during our protest march documented in the film, the people have the power, a federal agent magically appeared to lead us into the Freeway between police where we

were surrounded on all sides. We were suckered into this March by a crisis actor that told us white supremacist were shooting protesters. I would like to know if anyone recognizes this actor. You can see him in this film. I believe he's either police officer or military the entire day was very strange. Wow,

that's quite a quite a lot of info there. And we'll certainly if we hear anything, we'll we'll send it on to you or bring it up and thank you for supporting me and I will say I might be reaching out to him for my highly anticipated Hip Hop episode series. Because I got some questions for you. Very nice. Okay. Yes. Excellent, excellent. Now we go to K are with 101 The black male professional scientists and software engineer on affiliated political moderate currently in

California but from Georgia, North Carolina. Last month, I had job interviews with two of the biggest policy think tanks in DC heritage and AI, I hope to be able to influence them to design fact based nonpartisan policies for the federal government and presidents. Hopefully they'll hire me

heritage is highly influential indeed. They told Trump who to hire when he entered the White House plus being in DC during this election should be entertaining well KR that is first of all great to hear that we would like to have more facts with Adam curry entered into the congressional library as a fact based historic history of the country and anything else you need us to do we'll help out with one thing can you get my MO calmer for the job?

Yeah, no kidding. That is a good gig man. Definitely read Harding $100 Thought you might appreciate this big fan of the show soon to contribute the road to hell picture do you have to see a road to hell picture I didn't. Yeah, he actually sent me this picture before he donated. He didn't I couldn't find a note for him. But this picture is great. I'll forward it to you. It has the it's a

representation of the black lives matter. Black lives matter Plaza and instead of Black Lives Matter in yellow letters it says road to hail and then it has it was yeah, that was her letter was hilarious. is actually my screensaver now. Very nice. Explain what's at the end of the road because I stepped on this Hail, hail purgatory. Then we have our first Associate Executive Producer art from the

Ville PHP sounds Dutch to me mo Adam. I listened to the GBG episode in my shed reloading from my old Mirko walnut and steel. Oh, he's got he's in the gun club. Dutch rangers have finally opened after a four month closing another great three hours of very interesting insights well worth a GBA w as a donation which is give blacks and Adams white ask some ammo donation. Double tap 30 Odd six Keep up the good work. I like that our Thank you very much. But one of the few people in the

Netherlands that would be licensed to have a firearm. Of course, it's listed at two mo facts. What do you think? Meredith, Matt and $58 and says I was particularly inspired by the episode GBG and I've said gun control is racist for the longest time I can't afford to give enough to buy you a gun. But I can buy you some bullets or two memberships to the n a GA of $29 per person per year. Thank you. We'll sign up right

away. I can be the honorary shadow. Love the show y'all keep it up as a criminal defense attorney racism and bias policing are common topics discussed with my friends that conversation is recently dominated by socialists love Black Lives Matter Inc. Org, as we say now black ink so I'm glad to hear another perspective on the OFAC show. As for the alternative to the no agenda peerage committee, what about your own fraternity? Or maybe even your own Boulais I think

that'd be fun. The merch ideas are already running through my head says Meredith de Meredith de fer order of anonymous from na peerage. Okay, well, we've danced around this topic for a while which is basically to have a levels of achievement in producer ship, where you can just purely based on your own accounting. When we come to a certain number then you can be Come a while there's no agenda has a night or a dame of the roundtable, you've been thinking about this. What do you what do you have?

Well, hearing that Malcolm X clip, speaking of bringing them to the table, I don't want to, you know, step on the no agenda format, but I mean, it's kind of like bring up to the table. I mean, we need to bring in grain that into our our, to the table. Yep. Okay. Yes. So we need to bring people to the table. The limits? I don't know how we set those up. As far as I think we bring them to the table, we call on it, the table, we call it, we got to have you tell me?

Yeah, we can listen to that clip again. Cuz I think we need to center around that. Because that's what this is the car. And when people say the conversation, this is what needs to happen. People set aside their emotions, and have an open conversation. And I think everybody has been contributed to the show is producers are all for that. So right man, and the black men have to be able to sit down at the same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his mind without

hurting the feelings of that negro. And the so called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feeling of the white man, then they can bring the issue that are under the rug on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way we'll ever do it. Okay, I'm going to think about this too. Yeah, something is seated at the table. Like I said, All right. Well, what we're working on at Meredith, thanks

for kicking that off. Michael Bradbery a double nickels on the dime. 5510 in the morning. Well, you could say you we do have a fraternity. It's called the school of fish. Okay, we're swimming, baby. We're swimming. All right. Well, that's another good one. I like that too. So you can do a lot with fish. All right. In the morning. Oh, and Adams is Michael Bradbury. After hearing Adam and John mentioned

the show on no agenda. I finally started listening a few weeks ago, it had been going back to the older episodes when I can do analysis on each show was fantastic. So I had to send some value Anyway, keep up the great work and it was not too much trouble. Could I get some mo karma? Yes, you can. Mike, thank you very much for your support. Brian Rogers 55. Good day to you both Mo and Adam, please accept this donation for supplying tremendous content that is seemingly unavailable on any

other platform. As a suburban white kid who grew up good friends with several black kids too. I was put on to some aspects of black culture, namely rap music and sneaker culture. Your podcast has had a profound impact on the way I used to differentiate between being white and black. With the help of the pod Father, you've shown me that there are a lot more similarities between white people and black people, especially in the way we think than what the mainstream media

would have us believe exactly. really groundbreaking work. Can I please have a WUSA with a dash of Mo karma? You've got Rochelle stole 5333 this producer is from Rochelle Stowe. And here's her note Okay, started listening to mow facts after my husband Jake, a longtime no agenda listener heard about this new project. We're not 30 He's live in Seattle and we listened to this podcast together when we're road tripping. Jake says he's a culturalist white mutt. I have a

mixed background. My dad grew up in Jamaica my mom's extended family is from Croatia. So I've always grown up between two worlds. When I hear Moe talk about being a proud black man and how have you ever said you I'm a proud black man. You may be trying to think that when I say the term black, it's the first definition not the second. Exactly. I just thought was interesting because you come across that way. Regardless, you come across as a proud proud

mofo would love it right? Here mo talking about being a proud black man, I wouldn't want to be anything else. I think about how my dad raised my brother and I, that we can't do anything, be anything and achieve that we can do anything, be anything and achieve whatever we want. I started getting attention from my friends and co workers that made me feel like a victim because of the color of my skin especially after George Floyd was murdered. The attention is overwhelming and exhausting.

This is a great note. But this show gives me context help navigate this fun, help navigate conversations about race, hearing the history of why Black people are taught by media to feel victimized rid me of that anxiety. Every day. I say to myself, that knowledge is power and I feel very powerful because of your work. Moe karma with the kick of goat screen for all the new listeners, please. Also, I just watched the last dance with Michael Jordan and I'm curious, what do you think about him?

Thank you very much as Rochelle Now I read You really, really love this note? Because it's helping her understand white people. And I remember her husband writing in actually he wrote, Oh, that's right. I do remember shows ago. Yeah, we remember we remember these things, people. That's right. He was talking about how helpful from his perspective it was. And I'm glad to hear her. Give her firsthand account, please. All right now, Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan, the greatest basketball player

ever by far it's not even close. I think he gets a hard they're pretty hard on him because he's not as woke as people will want him to be. But they gotta realize he only made $2 million a year playing basketball compared to $40 million a year that players make now so plus the shoe deals do they get so they can be a lot allowed to be appear to be a lot more woker if that's the word then Michael was because he was actually kicking open the door that they reap the benefits from now.

I don't have the ESPN on demand thing or whatever the hell it was but it just hidden it from Netflix and the keeper. Nice. Because she lives in Chicago. You know, she witnessed all of that. She she was a Bulls fan like everybody and I've only hit episode two but I I love this series is fascinating to watch is obviously I don't know crap about sports. I recognized on it. We're working on it.

What Scottie Pippen though man, that's an interesting dude. I mean, especially with the deal he signed and he No, it was horrible. This really is I feel I feel for him. He's very interesting. Anyway, let me do this mo karma with a goat screen twist for you. Thank you very much. There we go. Eric Coco from Deutschland. We know him to see $2 No, no, but thank you very much, Eric. Dunker, Shin. Dunker, shoot, and I should just say, Can I say one more thing. When people write in, they don't send

a note. Just put no note in the comment because I have an anxiety that I'm gonna miss somebody and I happen to shake everywhere. Every combination name, email address possible God so just put, it'll save me a bunch of time and take away the anxiety that I don't want to miss anybody. I know when you guys write these notes that it means a lot to you. So that's why I'm very particular about make sure I get people's voices out there.

Well, Sir Johnny B did add a note and he said 5150 which is of course code for time to take someone to the to the nuthouse. How is it that people can gloss over the obvious language of white supremacy and all these anti racist articles? It's depressing me. I need some sanity. Hope you guys are back soon. Love you guys. That's capital L realize you're out. Thank you very much, sir Johnny B. And here we are. Alan Adler $50 love the show. He says here's my contribution for your

new Glock nine millimeter give bail blacks guns. Sir daddy of the seven wonders $50 Mo. This is a good faith donation for value I've received but I need you to understand I'm a proud Southerner who owns a confederate flag has pictures of generally and Bedford for decorating my house. And I'm a student of southern history and culture. I'm also half Korean for what it's worth. There are many good southern people who

are proud of their lineage. And we're not white supremacists, or anything like what the media programs people to think about Southerners. How many times have you seen a good portrayal of a redneck in the media news, TV or movies? I'd love to talk history and philosophy with you Mo and maybe we can do a meet up someday and have dinner and a drink or two, I'm in Virginia. But after your comments about removing the Confederate memorials because they were terrorists, I needed to push

back on that completely incorrect narrative. Well, I disagree with you on more than a couple of things. I've listened to this podcast and going back and listening to the archives for shows I missed because I want to better understand your point of view. And I've learned a lot and definitely received value from your podcast, which is why I need to return some

value to you. I think a lot of folks would also benefit from learning about the actual history and culture of the old South, we have a lot more in common than the media would have you think no surprise, at any rate best to you and yours and to Adam and all his folks are daddio of the seven wonders when I use the term terrorists. I said by their own definition. So people on the right I don't want to assume that he's on the

right. But people on the right often say if you go against your country, you're treasonous and you're a terrorist and you know those things. So I'm just saying by that definition that those people set, then you have to judge it the same way. To me I'm not bought I'm not bothered by the Confederate flag or civil war. I actually say even said in the show I mentioned that was I have more understanding now living in Virginia, because I get to understand a little bit better. Now. I will say this, he

said about lineage and that's why I wrote my bill. I've never said for anybody to deny their lineage Actually, if you or anybody you're saying, who's listening to the show, that's one of the things that irks me the most, when people deny their lineage, because that's why we got on the whole passing thing. It's like that's the, that's the worst thing you could ever do is deny where you came from. Yep. So I mean, I can say, I believe,

as Trump said, there's good people on both sides. But what I mean by that is, you could be a student of history or former like, I mean, okay, so I found out today, my great great, great grandfather fought on the side of the Confederate. I wouldn't want him to be canceled. No, I mean, I mean, I wouldn't want now what I celebrate it, I'm not sure. But I can't condemn anybody that wants to celebrate their lineage. I can't, I will

not. I hope that hope that brings some further understanding to why I met but when I say use the word terrorist, I'm going by the debt, the rights definition of when they throw the word around terrorists or treasonous, or those kinds of things. So that's that's the point. I'm trying I can't wait for the first mo facts meet up in Virginia. I'm going to be there. And I hope so Daddy. Oh joins us. That'd be fun. Thanks, Daddy. Oh, that $50 From Buford. coochie coochie coo

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from Connor Lawrence in the morning gentlemen. Love the episode from last week. Mo if I had any money I'd buy you a javelin from cod What's that Call of Duty? Yeah, brother. Kim. I just got a mental picture the nerds are there with the with the Javelin takes a little further GB ml give blacks missile launchers. Okay, Adam, if you want one you'll have to settle for a harpoon gun named Dylan. This is a das only the white guy gets

gypped on this I got a harpoon gun. Also, harpoon gun named Dylan sounds like a fan fiction version of A Fish Called Wanda. Anyway question from always says what are your thoughts on the Redskins? Finally caving on a name change? Do you like any of the rumored replacements? Okay, let me break down this whole risking thing just give like in a minute. I think the owner Schneider uses as

opportunity to use social pressure to change the name. The inside baseball on that is he will not be allowed to bring the team within Washington DC city limits until he changed the name which he has his eye on the RFA. RFK old stadium so I think he uses this coverage to his loyal fans is hey, what am I doing? My

hands are tied. I had to change the name. You know, Nike took the apparel off and a couple other companies to their parallel until they changed the name but I think they should change the name to it just Washington DC Yeah, leave it at that. I mean that way I mean is what what was interesting is is the National Association of a Native American caregivers or caretakers or something? I was reading a whole article the most American Indians I think they would like

to be called. They didn't like it no one asked us like bullcrap do some strong warrior they love that and they have no problem with it. Let me give you a little insight on that there are some tribes that are getting their pockets line and other tribe they're not and that's all it always comes down to that of course all right. All right now he says for Adam can you actually name the team he says can but I guess he names can plays for yeah is the Patriots Am I wrong?

Yes. Okay. Can you say you don't know sports? Exactly. Anyway, can the pastor's blessed me and Elisa was that sweet, sweet WUSA and goat mo karma pretty pleased you back at reverse Musa There you go. Thank you very much. Connor Paul Arsenault. Please buy a brother some bullets for 357 That's all I can afford right now. Mo Thank you ball. John Mahalla 3333 monad them not only is 3333 the magic number it also represents 33 1/3 RPM for vinyl records. I've enjoyed hearing a different

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birthplace of Nina Simone. Turns out, she was an outspoken civil rights activist who was both a friend and neighbor to Malcolm X. Now when I listened to Nina Simone in concert, the Civil Rights overtones which seemed to be lost and much of the audience on the record, are glaringly obvious to me. I'd love to hear some more episodes explore the role and impact of music on the civil rights movement. But for now, I'm sure there are higher

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Yeah, we can. I would think so. Easy. Yeah. And I don't think you're always looking to see if someone's racist. You see if someone's in a hole before anything. I would borrow a chance to get a hold and racist marker she just does happen. Carlo Romero $20. Quick North Carolina centric survey do preferred little brother or PD Pablo. Little Brothers better PD. Pablo got the biggest hit out of North Carolina ever. Take your shirt off $20 from Ashanti Hill, G MacDonald says thanks for the

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facts.com. And you can support us by going to mo fax.com Or go to directly to the donation page at mo fund me.com moe FUNDM me.com. And thank you all for producing episode 43. Well, I like to appreciate I'm sure everybody appreciation for the value for value that they gave us another person given now that you is Mr. George Soros. With a number of $200 million press release, Open Society Foundations announced $220 million for building power in black communities. To support

this nation's historic movement towards racial justice. The Open Society Foundations today is announcing investments totaling $220 million in emerging organizations and leaders building power and black communities across the country, placing a bet on their ability to carry today's momentum toward a better tomorrow. The largest share of the support 150 million will be through a set of five year grants to black LED justice organizations that helped to create and now sustain the

momentum towards racial equality. Open society's response reflects our conviction that real progress requires sustained support over many years and letting leaders accountable to impacted communities shaped the path

forward. Quote, It is inspiring and powerful to experience this transformational moment in the Racial Justice Movement said Open Society Foundations President Patrick Gaspard we're honored to be able to carry on the vital work of fighting for rights, dignity and equity for oppressed people the world over started by our founder and chair George Soros. Yes, this show would have been two hours long had I not tossed that one into into Mo's lap.

Yeah, we probably got a lot of students. Thank you, Adam. But 200 plus million dollars and gas bar, the guy that runs open society. You remember when Joe Biden said to you if you're not you're not black if you don't vote for Joe Biden? Yes, I recall he he came out with a very simple sympathetic towards Joe. And now understand why because they were going to kick out $200 million to get Joe elected. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 220 Actually, yep. Right to so 220 That's amazing. And they're gonna go to

I just can't get my head around that number. That's, that's a lot of freaking money. And like, where's it going to? Who are

these groups? These justice groups? Of course, they're going to getting the source this does it like because we've covered that in previous shows where George Soros is enjoying getting non white or left leaning white district attorneys preferably Yes, female we just got one in Austin, although not female, but there was huge $600,000 That came from Soros political action committee that helped the new da Yes, so that mean that's that's Sorrell sisters all day and you

spell that dollar sign o r o dollar sign. dollar sign. And I dollars. I mean $1 sign dollar sign, dollar sign T $1 sign. So that's enough dollar signs for you that's Soro sisters, that's how you spell this, right? Because there's, there's all there, that's all there about is their dollars at the end of the day. And you can see this brand, this black branding that Patrice alluded to, in her previous clip is about just giving cover for these corporations and these quasi governmental

agents office. So part of it is licensing. I mean, it really is not just moral licensing, but actual licensing. And believe me, black, black Inc, has it has it locked down locked up. This really, these nonprofits, I've looked into them. And I don't know, if you want to go into a mo or what we need to discuss. But these, these very small to person nonprofits, similar to the Patrisse, Cullors, kind of initial Black Lives Matter startup, then there's a larger organization, which is more of a

clearing house. And a lot of these organizations do that. For instance, the Austin Justice Coalition, very small, they say they're nonprofit, but they're not really they have a, what they call a, there's a special kind of agreement, which I questioned if that should be legal or not, where a bigger nonprofit with all the back office can actually do all that work for you. But you give them money to them. And they can if they want earmark some of it, according to the agreement to go

for other things. And it's also it's just completely goggles carry goggles. It's nuts. The thing is, it's so not transparent. All right. I know, I know. I don't know what, let's get into the second clip about open society. And now like the mission that is written it is read by James Jennifer. Yes, we recognize that the struggle to dismantle systemic racism is an ongoing one. It has existed from the dawn of the Republic to the present day and is embedded in every level of government and

in our penal and justice systems. But the power surge of people who have taken to the streets to demand that this nation do better people of all ages, from all backgrounds and in every corner of this country gives hope to us all. The success of this movement, the largest in US history will be

measured over years, not weeks. And we cannot say that black lives matter and not make a multi year commitment to a strategy set by and centering black leaders and organizations who changed America sense of what is possible, said Tom Paralia, Executive Director of open society us recipients of this set of investments range from emerging groups to more established forces for civil rights. Among them, black voters matter circle for justice innovations, repairers of the

breach, and the Equal Justice Initiative. Some are fighting for an end to policing as we know it, and others are fighting for access to the ballot. Collectively, these organizations make up a vital ecosystem of justice one that's poised to harness the extraordinary energy of today and ensure it results in meaningful reform. So there you have it. Soros is shelling out the cash. And when you said this, when we said this over a year, almost a year ago,

people roll their eyes like all sorrows. Everything is so gross, but it is not like I said, Sir, I was just drew the short straw. He He's the mascot to do it, man. You got to do it. Right. Um, he drew the short straw. Now he's had to have his name out there. But it's funny what organization wasn't mentioned in that whole rundown? It wasn't black lives matter. I found that very interesting that is it that they're trying to remain?

Well, again, no. There's one of these nonprofits. If you look at them, and I look at the form 990 I just forget which one it is to think the second one on the list. And let's tell people what that is. That's the CCC, right? That's a carry cash Chase. Yes. Excuse me. So every nonprofit has to report their operations in the end is called an IRS Form 990. Now a very small ones under $200,000 can file an easy form, which to give you almost no

information. But on the form, you can see how much money they brought in what they spent what they spent it on. It rarely gives you the actual donors and how that money comes in. And it's not necessarily a requirement although over certain levels it is, but it's all hidden, but it gives you some transparency at least gives you an idea of what people are making what their expenses are. And I have a pretty good feel

for these kinds of things. And there's one particular, there's one particular kind of nonprofit, which is, you know, we don't know the division either I don't think it's equally divided, they're probably getting the bulk of the money. And that's the type of nonprofit that has a bunch of people who maintain a fund. So this nonprofit brings money in its donors. And of course, it's the people who are running the nonprofit at the same time, a lot of them are financial years

hedge fund people. And so they can all stand around and say, Look, we did a good job, because they give the money out. So they take the money in from the from the big sources, and they pass it on. And that is, in fact, their charity is the operating

of the charity. So you can slosh a lot of stuff to a lot of people, particularly if you have one of these financial agreements, where your nonprofit is taking care of the legal taking care of the HR, the payroll for the smaller groups, like, well, in fact, some of the Black Lives Matter chapters, and it's a pass through. So outfits, like the Open Society Institute, can donate this money it goes in and you know, they could have a meeting over coffee and say, Hey, make sure you give it to

them or to them. I mean, that's, there's no transparency over that process at this point. Other than here's the money going in, here's where it went in and look who's on the street. And that's really what you can then learn. Well, people are starting to ask questions. And one of the question you're asking is how Black Lives Matter is being funded. Black Lives Matter global network foundation. That's the organization. They get millions of dollars, but but they are not

approved as a tax exempt organization. So if you give them money on paper, you could not deduct it. So according to The Washington Times investigation, George Soros since 2015, it's given Black Lives Matter global network Foundation, $33 million. And on paper, he can't write it off. But he can't. Now here it comes. So the Black Lives Matter global network. Okay, incorporated in Delaware. Joe Biden's home state has forged in alliance with a group called 1000 currents, 1000

currents, C U R, R e, n t s 1000. Currents. They're in Oakland, California. They are run by a guy named Paul stress. Berg. Let's see Paul. Far left way, way left. I did a deep deep dive into 1000 currents. Can I depart on this and I tell you what I learned? Please do please, I've been waiting. In light of this show. Unless you already know this, it will be quite shocking to you 1000 currents. Now, there, the information is always going to be behind because, you know,

2018 taxes were filed. They don't have 19. So we really have we won't know about 2020 until 2021. But they're about a six to $7 million that they brought in. What's interesting about the 1000 currents is it's a name change, it was rebranded around 2015 20 1314. I can't tell exactly. And the executive director was removed, it used to be known as the ID x, which was the international development exchange was run by an Indian

Indian lady. And they they really, as they even current or 1000 current say they're really involved with the southern hemisphere Africa with deprive groups, etc. But it's not necessarily that, in fact, not very much about black lives matter at all. Other than that, they do the processing for them. But what's interesting is you can learn from the form 990, about the board of directors, and, you know, if they're

getting paid at all salaries are listed. And I decided to take a look at some of these Board of Director members and the vice chair of the board of directors is Susan Rosenberg. Susan Lisa

Rosenberg. Have you ever heard of her Mo? No, I have not. Well, Susan Rosenberg, born in 1955 is an American activist, writer and advocate for social justice and prisoners rights from the late 1970s to the mid 1980s Rosa Berg was active in the far left revolutionary terrorist may 19 Communist organization, also known as M. 19, which according to the contemptuous FBI report, openly advocated the overthrow of the US government through

armed struggle and the use of violence. And M 19 provided support to an offshoot of the Black Liberation Army, including sounding familiar, including an armored truck robberies and later engaged in bombings and government buildings. Some of us will remember if you are around after living as a fugitive for two years, Rosenberg was arrested in 1984. While in possession of a large cache of explosives and firearms. Remember, she's on the board of the organization that does the

money for black lives matter. She had also been sought as an accomplice in the 1979 prison escape of Assata Shakur and the 1981 Brinks robbery that resulted in the deaths of two police and Nygaard. Rosenberg here it comes with sentence 258 years in prison on the weapons and explosive charges. She spent 16 years in prison during which he became a poet, author and

AIDS activist. Her sentence was commuted to time served by President Bill Clinton on January 20 2001, his final day in office, this is in fact, a radicalized feminist Marxist who was doing the very same things that Black Lives Matter is doing. Birds of a feather. I mean, did you know this? Did you know about Rosen? I did not I did not I know about Assata Shakur and the bank robberies? And did you know that she was she is the vice chair of essentially the entire operation of black ink.

I did not know. And Jesus, this is the she's a machine, a communist, a Marxist. These are just nuts, the same script the exact in some, it's the same people. And if you go to the 1000 current website and look at their logo, the O and the U is represented by aura bourse, or the affinity sign or the snake eating and eating itself. Holy crap. And so this the previous so what they did is

they they just took this nonprofit. And I found the resignation letter from the previous executive directors like well, you know, obviously there's change, they have some different ideas. I'm leaving wish everybody well. And everything changed. They just took this existing organization and rebranded and there's and this is a complete slush front front. But is it really because we have one of the most radical

Marxist people right here in the operation? And somehow it's not really reported on that much. And she's dealing with other radical Marxist playing the same tactics. That is your high command right there. Well, your high operational command, right. And the money he was saying the money still come pouring in, like, Oh, we got our books straight over here. You just give us the money and we'll filter it out. Man. That's exactly. Here. 2011 Rosenberg published a memoir, an American

radical political prisoner in my own country. I mean, this is so good in light of how you set us up throughout this throughout the show today, most fantastic this fits so perfectly. And if I'm not mistaking, I think their new leadership is Somali lady. So if you want to get into the Somali connection, surprise, surprise, I'm just saying I'm just gonna put that out there. I'm not gonna they never disappoint do they know, right?

But this the same thing was going on in 1966. And it was uncovered by the John Birch Society, anarchy, the breakdown of law and order, a chaotic Reign of Terror, mob rule and rioting, the collapse of government authority. These phrases rings strange in the ears of Americans and for good reason. Through the years, America has stood as the

world's symbol for law and order. Our government is responsive to the will of the people, our courts and legislatures provide the mechanics for a peaceful redress of grievances. And the policeman on the corner has traditionally been looked upon as a friend, not as the instrument of a tyrant anarchy. Well, that was something we read about in our newspapers that was always happening in other countries.

Then in the summer of 1964, widespread rioting and looting suddenly broke out in Harlem, in Rochester, in New York, in Jersey City in Philadelphia. Cleveland, and Chicago, all within a few days of each other. It was as though one unseen hand had given the signal. The degree of communist influence in these riots has been subject of much discussion and controversy. Not any more than I love it, because we can just, we can almost predict the next steps in the script. And maybe people

have this knowledge, they see this repeat from the 30s. And then the 60s, fix these and then they redid it and then add them it was more cultural Marxism then, but now they're coming back around to the hardcore stuff. That's right, that maybe maybe we'll all get an effing clue. And when you support these organizations now, be clear that you're supporting Marxist agendas. I mean, I can't put it

any other way. And this is where it gets really juicy, not only you supporting a Marxist Marxist agenda, you may be supporting a racist himself in Marx, because Marx wanted German socialists Ferdinand LaSalle, to find me some literary business in Germany to supplant my diminished income and increased expenditure. He cultivated him with flattery to his face and contempt behind his back. Marx referred to LaSalle spoke on Hegel as an exhibition of

enormous erudition, when writing to LaSalle. And as a silly concoction. When writing two angles. Mark's added, Sal was a Jewish nigger, based on Marx's analysis of his appearance. Oh, hold on a second, we just show just got canceled. We gotta cancel Karl Marx. Yeah, no kidding. He's no good. He's no good. He's, uh, he said the N word. And then he said, No, we called him a Jewish nigger. It's a J N word. What I'm saying is either way, either way you cut that that

combination of words, he gotta get a bite here. What? What, what are we doing here? And we know what it gets. We need to get, we need a clip of him saying that? Well, I don't have a clip. I don't have a clip of him saying this. But this is from a very reputable author, Mr. Thomas Sol. It is now perfectly clear to me that Ness testified also by his cranial formation and hair growth. He is descended from the Negroes who joined Moses exodus from Egypt, unless his paternal

mother or grandmother was crossed with a nigger. Well, this combination of Jewish and Germanic stock with the Negro at basic substance is bound to yield a strange product for fellows in portunity is also nigger like, oh my god, this is great. Karl Marx is very problematic. Yeah. problematic. He, in fact, you're just normalizing racism if you're for Marxism. And didn't he just say the same thing that the football player, the Sean Jackson get counseled for? Yes, for retweeting for

Hitler. Yeah, they're saying that blacks other Jews. I'm not talking about the Anwar. Now go back and play that clip. Again, he just call instead, the black people were the original Jews. Yeah, let's be clear to me, that Miss testified also by his cranial formation and hair growth. He is descended from the Negroes who joined Moses exodus from Egypt, unless his paternal mother or grandmother was crossed with a nigger. Well, this combination of Jewish and Germanic stock with the Negroid

basic substance is bound to yield a strange product. That losing opportunity is also nigger like, Wow, man, this is so good. Have you? Have you really read all of Marx? Have you really seen what he wrote? I mean, do you really know how problematic he is? Right? We could be we could go we could play that. Well, if they tried to play the one hand, well, he's not being offensive to black being passive tour, Hebrew brothers and sisters.

Either way, we got to get him up out of here, but there may be a reason that Karl Marx is above cancellation. Oh, my Karl Marx grew up a brilliant spoiled child who bullied his younger sisters and taunted his schoolmates with sarcastic witticisms. In addition to entertaining both with imaginative stories. He had a swarthy complexion that in later years earned him the nickname The more a name used far more often in his inner circle, including his children than was his real name.

Okay. You rang the bell on swarthy and I just happened to know why you rang the bell because we bow studied this word recently. Yes. And it was called the more yes marks the more marks. Wait a minute, was marked black. He was Swansea swarthy. Well, for people that don't know this get the etymology. Oh Swathi from chronicles of Judah 144. All right now we're looking at swarthy Flora the dark colored, especially of skin. All right, so now, now Benjamin Franklin,

he called the German swarthy. Now what Germans do you know today when you once again, when you think of German, don't you think of Caucasian people with blond hair and blue eyes? swarthy dark Scotland especially of skin 1580s unexplained alteration of swarthy from Swart. Related swappiness. Now the next one, shots, also Shazza black person, somewhat

derogatory. 1961 yidishe from shots black, see swarthy now now for the people who try to gain says Oh, no, when he says swarthy, it's just talking about now why is it that when that when it says black it says, See Swati? I looked it up and we were reading an article about women in Elizabethton times, getting this really white makeup to put on the face, because they might have not been white enough at the time to be part of the bloodline, and were thus seen as

swarthy smarts as black it's fantastic. No one knows this shit anymore. We have he, as he mentioned in his clip that even Benjamin Franklin refer to the Germans as swarthy. Yeah, and and Tawny. Which Tawny is more like a light brown. But if you go and look at a younger pictures of Karl Marx he looks like Chico to barge he couldn't even be L he's gotta be Chico holy crap downgrade now you can't write you can't make this crap up. You can't

make it out. So do we cast him or is He above counseling because these kids that are black but nobody will tell you that? Wow, we've got this is that the rabbit hole where you said stop we have to actually make a show. I'm just not going any further than that is that kind of happened? Because it's crazy.

This is so good. But we tied a lot of things together here while we tied to well first of all, the most important is the total exposure of how this black trap has worked with the with the Marxism and has expanded into any group now known as identity politics right through to this to the actual man behind the movement now being resurrected by Susan Lisa Rosenberg for black ink. If this doesn't blow people's minds, I don't know why they invented marijuana. I'm telling you, this

is fantastic. I really appreciate it. And my major takeaway from this is Black is two things according to Patrisse Cullors one you have a race, race or lineage which she has says has been constructed and then you have a political statement. So we birthed the term black ain't here on on the show today and proud of it. And as I always say, pay attention to everything in the true will reveal itself

and we will return as soon as possible within a week. Remember us at mo fund me.com and check out the archives at mo facts.com See you next week. See you later Hearthstone. As a real is real juicy to My name is once again