25: The Kobe Beef

mo facts with Adam curry for February 11 2020. This is episode number 25. Coming up on a six month, month aversary I doing mo I'm doing good Adam, how about yourself? Yeah, fantastic, man. Next episode will be six months of consistent no mo facts with Adam curry programming. Wow, that's a nice milestone. Yeah, well, well, for us it is certainly. And who knew I had no idea we went into this and I don't know, it could be a couple

shows. And it looks like we're stuck, stuck together for a while now. And I still don't know what this is. But before we start, I want to ask you a question. I was watching the the New Hampshire primaries. And for me, it's always interesting to watch what the what the the so called analysts are saying because they're all paid by someone to say

something. And I heard Joy Reid, actually say that. Now that Biden is off the radar, which he is and of course, I think that's because they only need him for impeachment that dropped him. She said. And she said African Americans so she meant a Doss. Although Gee, you'll never hear her use that term unless it's followed by Russian bot. She, she said now Oh, yeah, no, the black vote. They're all going to go to Bloomberg. And I said

really? So I wanted to ask you if you thought that had any validity isn't that crazy? Well, that's the that's the narrative that they're pushing. I saw a poll on MSNBC the other day that Biden and Bloomberg is neck and neck for the black vote. I saw come on. I think I was looking because Biden went straight to South Carolina didn't even hang hang around for his his his battering in New Hampshire. It looked like he was setting up at a nation of

Islam clubhouse. I swear to God, there was like the I saw the kind of like the flag on the wall. Like what? Where the hell is he? He's going straight deep into territory. It's unbelievable. Wow. Yeah. Okay. I mean, yeah, we'll have to see. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't nuts. I mean, I know joy. Reid has agendas. And she does not she's like she's speaking on behalf of a dossier and know. Well, you know, I know exactly. Black women won't do that

African American women just say Who do we vote for? We'll vote over there. Okay, you might have that wrong. Joy read this time around. Well, no, he Bloomberg is synonymous with stop and frisk. Right. Exactly. How can you eat that's what I mean. How you even suggested isn't that like the number one guy that that would be? despised? Well, they've been given their talking points. We know Bloomberg has deep pockets. Yeah. Oh, that's the guy. They

want him to want to be nice. You got what you got to socialist. Oh, yeah. No, I know exactly why I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't nuts because she said it was such conviction. I'll play it on no agenda on on Thursday. We'll talk about it. But what? Well, what is a good lead into where we're headed? Well, well, hold on a second. All right. Spin the wheel, the wheel of spin and spin the wheel. Where it stops. Nobody knows. It's the wheel

that's right. We got the wheel of toxic jingle now Ma. Like we're becoming a real podcast. We have sound imaging. I see that. So now I have to actually spin and no, what is it going to be? Where does the lucky we'll stop today. What is our topic for Mofaz with Adam curry 25 Kobe bean Bryant and the fallout of his demise.

Oh man, I'm so glad you're doing this mo because I spent more than I typically would like really like a minute extra on this Snoop Gayle King thing and I'm like, let me see what's going on here. And then and then we get Susan Rice of all people. So Gary gobbles curry goggle. Sorry. All right. I put the curry muzzle on true. Okay. Anyway, so I saw that and I actually thought to myself, is this worth my time to make decisions about stuff like, is this worth my time? And I have

to honestly say like, No, I just can't do this. You know, we got flu. We Wuhan flu. We got all kinds of stuff happening the

economics of it. And here we are. You picked it up. And so I know we're in for a grand ride so the reason why I chose this topic is I didn't want to do it at first because I thought it was kind of just overexposed in yeah it's like a show show busy do a lot of podcasts and we're chasing the clicks no of course never suit that I never tried to chase the clicks if you notice on on our podcast titles we do ourselves no favors the most complicated titles code basically the you have to figure

out to even want to listen to yes you're right. Right so I never I never covered this we talked about it maybe two minutes on one of our previous just show it knowledge you know that he passed away, right? But the aftermath and all the nuances and I'll figure it a lot of people didn't really witness what they were seeing. Now you are I know you're a football fan you an NBA fan as well. Yes. Okay. All right. All right. Soccer ball ball ball to sports I'm really into

well so let's just for people who are new I know nothing. I was able to completely deconstruct the helicopter crash I'm very good at that. But I know nothing about sports. I you know, Kobe is just a name to me. So I have no I have no dog in the hunt, whatever. But I'm also ignorant so just want to set that up because I may sound stupid from time to time. No, it's good because you don't come in come into it bias by being a fan or not. Okay. Yes, absolutely.

I'm completely not on non bias unaffiliated, etcetera. So I'll bounce things off of you and you tell me if I'm reaching or if it makes sense. All right, so we got where we got to pick up is the actual Kobe Bryant's death can be Roberts in our NBC Sports studios. But now you've likely heard the shocking and terrible news NBA superstar Kobe Bryant 41 years of age, was killed in a helicopter crash earlier today just outside of Los Angeles. total of five people have been

reported to have perished in the accident. Five time NBA champion who is a candidate for the Hall of Fame this year was known to have used a helicopter to travel for years dating back to when he played for the Lakers and commuted from Newport Beach to the Staples Center. This the scene just moments ago in Denver prior to the nuggets game against the Houston Rockets.

Elsewhere, the sports world understandably convulsed in immediate shock and sadness Bill Russell, the Hall of Fame center for the Celtics says you were my biggest fan, Kobe, but I was yours as well. Patrick mahomes with the Kansas City Chiefs on his way to the Super Bowl, expressing the thoughts of many, our IP Mamba, using the nickname that Kobe Bryant was known by. And Tom Brady, not much to say. We miss you already. Kobe.

Details are still emerging. The LA County Sheriff's Department has scheduled a five o'clock Eastern time press conference, NBC News, we'll bring that to you. Again, terrible news on this day Brian is survived by his wife, Vanessa, and their four daughters and thoughts are with them. Hey, can I give my immediate observation? Sure that we heard the football guys speaking out. Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying mahomes. And Tom Brady is like I would have expected more basketball player mentions. But okay.

I think the basketball players took it harder. So they were slower to write Africa. Even in the clip, they said the body count was only five. And he said there were survived. I think I don't know if it played out or not. But he said he was survived by four daughters. So this was even before they knew that this is like, starting at the very beginning. At the very, very beginning. Got it. Just a little background on my viewpoint of Kobe, where it's almost the same age, he was 41 I turned 40 This

year, kind of like grew up together. He he went straight to the NBA from high school. That was kind of rare at the time, but it was seen as seen as quite an achievement. No. Yeah. Oh, man. It was I mean, he was a phenomenon. He was like, maybe the way I put it is he was the first iteration of Lebron James. Okay, got it. of NBA ready. You know, superstar. I

mean, he David brandy. He took her to the prom. I mean, this guy was like, willing, he just for my just for me being at high school was like, you know, you just gravitate towards the guy. I mean, he had a great well, his image was great because he had a you know, clean cut image and he was kind of like, juxtaposed to Allen Iverson, who was the bad boy of the NBA at the time. Okay, I got you So there's your, your wrestling element. Right? So that's where we are. So now, we're at the point Kobe

has just died. And it was like a kick in the stomach for a lot of people, even myself. I mean, I'm not a crier and nothing like that. And I'm not as what they call a quote unquote, fanboy. But I was like, dang, somebody my age that you know, you grew up watching is dead. I mean, that makes you kind of makes you stop. Sure. Don't worry, you get used to it, you get used to it. Well, that's the problem, like, this age, like, wow, like, Whoa, my

brother called me. I was like, Okay, so why did like everybody else, like cut on all the news that we could get? I'm looking through social media. I'm just trying to see if it's real. If he's gonna come back. No, it wasn't that that was the case. And I start watching the timeline. And right off the bat. There was a slip of a word by Miss Allison Moore's bath like the kind of straw that was perfectly cast on the Los

Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Kavita, if I asked you to stay with us, we're going to ask like the kind of store that was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Kavita, if I could ask you to stay with us. Yeah, the whole world saw this. I think that was quite the retweet. So this was maybe an hour or hours, couple of hours, right after the news had been announced. And like that just sit from my timeline from my black timeline. Like what does

she say? Now? There is some conversation. Does she say the N word? Are you hearing the N word? I've got things like one that dress thing with the Is it blue and gold? Or is it you know, you know, it's trying to strike drill? You know what her experience was? Was? Yeah, she's trying to Yeah, go ahead. She's what I what I heard. She said, Yes, she was mixed up between the Lakers and the Knicks. Of course, Kobe is never played for the Knicks. He's played against the Knicks. And

that that's why it came out Nixon. To me, it did sound a little more K ish than G ish. And no matter. I mean, everybody heard what it sounded like, there's no disagreement about that zero. We all know what it sounded like. And it was just a fucked up moment. Now this, this is the debate this and that's why I brought the dress thing where some people saw it, but blue and black and, you know, the it's the viral image I'm talking about where half the people were divided on what color was the

dress? Okay, so this is a case of what dimension you're in. And what did you hear? Now, I did my due diligence, and I went and found slowed down audio. That's usually my job. Nice. Alright. though. I think this is an Eddie Murphy bit where that the N word is really drawn out really slowly. Okay. All right. So let's just hear from the people. Here, deep fake research. All right, here we go.

It seems like he was just the kind of athlete the kind of star that was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Lakers Los Angeles Lakers. Kavita, if I could ask you to stay with us. We're gonna go nickers nickers nickers nickers Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers sneakers. Los Angeles Lakers sneakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Lakers. Lakers. Los Angeles

Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Yeah, it seems like he was just the kind of athlete the kind of star that was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Lakers Los Angeles Lakers. Kavita, if I could ask you to stay with us. We're gonna go nickers nickers nickers nickers Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers sneakers Los Angeles Lakers sneakers Los Angeles Lakers sneakers Los Angeles Lakers. Lakers. Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers.

Well, okay, I certainly yes, you couldn't you can certainly hear it as a full on and word that way that I heard it here. Certainly. I'm on that side of the fence. Now. What she meant to say I'm not I'm not giving her side of her brain. But what was her is the most important thing and people were shooting to cancel her immediately so that they sign a petition, not think MSNBC let her gorse or suspended her. Find out? Yes, I couldn't find

out. She's in hiding right like journalists. Right now. Like, you know what you're in that in between zone. Well, we don't really want to fight you fire you but you're in progress. You're in Purgatory. Yeah. Yeah. So now do you think so? I guess if, if that word comes out like that, and and of course, it is kind of interesting to think. Was she being scripted because

everything on these shows is scripted everything. So it would be very rare if there was a breaking news moment which I went to kind of sounds like but the breaking news was hers to ad lib. That's not that may happen but it's not that typical,

although this case was such a shock. So there's I want to say that there could be some prompt or weirdness going on by the banker man yeah, oh, dude, I most of my professional life I worked with teleprompters now I, I have to say I'm very good at reading and reading and reading and around what's on the what's on the copy. But if something weird is there, you know what something stumbled? I don't know. That word is not something that flips

flips out of my mouth at all ever. So it's something close that something that she must have said some time or I don't know, I don't want to accuse her. But I I can certainly put myself in, in both dimensions and I but I hear it too. I hear it. Okay, so what I'm doing here is setting the tone. So we have thank you so much celebrity you pass away. And a couple of hours later. You hear this and like the timeline is like goes into a

blaze right. So next, we have Miss Felicia son Sonmez. She goes to tweeting about Kobe Bryant. The Washington Post has suspended one of its reporters after tweeting an article length including rape accusations from the early 2000s About NBA legend Kobe Bryant. Felicia Sonmez is a political reporter for the post. She has since deleted the tweet but has reportedly received 1000s of death threats and her home address has even been doxed online for reaction. Let's bring

in Bill Richards. He's a media critic for The Arizona Republic joining us from Phoenix a bill has the Washington Post mishandled the situation. How did this all happen? And then what was the reaction? I think they had mishandled it. I'm I think that they've overreacted. I think that the assault charges against Bryant were while certainly not the big part of the story, they belong

in any complete story. When you're writing about the reaction to his death, and to a complete picture of his life, and it's certainly not what you would lead with, it's not the most important part of the story as it's breaking, particularly in the way he died. I mean, he did not die of a lingering illness or anything. I mean, I think it was because it was so sudden, and because he was so beloved by so many people, that that's in part why she got that reaction. It wasn't just her.

Anybody who, who wrote about that, or mentioned that God got a similar reaction. Mm hmm. Yeah, I followed this a little bit too, of course. So make a note of that. Well, he just said, you know, whoever said anything about that case, got this reaction. I mean, she received death threats, right. In my mind was doxxed. My view on that is it's the blue checkmark brigade trying to get some attention. It was completely unnecessary. She could have done that in two

weeks or whatever. It was all about getting attention. It was to me disgusting. I don't care who it is. Yeah, and she looked at him as an easy target because for clicks for her own clicks. Not even that mo This is purely egotism. Oh, I'm gonna make sure everybody knows this. Yeah, it's like canceled culture bullcrap. True. I'm just saying she looked at him. It's easy. Tarik, like, yeah, he was he was charged, charged or had an accusation

made against him. So my sisters in feminism will be with me to you're saying to basically what they call drag. That's who she was talking to. Sure. Right. Right. So so the WaPo gets criticized for their actions. Know the Washington Post is being criticized for suspending a reporter over a

series of tweets in the wake of Kobe Bryant's death. The Post said Monday, it had placed Felicia Sonmez on paid administrative leave after she tweeted a 2016 Daily Beast article about Brian's rape case, hours after the former NBA star died in a helicopter crash Sonmez. His post generated a lot of backlash on social media, and she later tweeted she'd received

1000s of abuse and death threats. She also tweeted a screenshot of her email inbox which displayed some of those abusive messages and the names of the people who'd sent them. According to The New York Times, the post executive editor told her via email her tweets were represented a real lack of judgment and she was hurting this institution by doing this shortly afterward, Sonmez deleted the tweets at the

direction of a managing editor. That managing editor said later in a statement the tweets displayed poor judgment that undermined the Washington Post work and that the newspaper was reviewing whether the tweets violated social media policy.

The post newsroom union, the newspaper guild protested Sonne Meza suspension and a letter Monday urging the newspaper to take immediate steps to ensure her safety and to issue a statement condemning abuse of its reporters I hate this so much it was so she was she was posting screenshots of death threats in her email. That's what she was doing. Yes. Okay. One of the she violated one of the most important rules of

journalism. Don't make yourself the story and she did that. So I have no respect for her no matter what. Right. What we have here is you have the nacre gate that stirred up the black social media crowd question. Is there anywhere in the parlance maybe amongst the team or fantasy team? Has anyone ever called them the Los Angeles Lakers and you know what word I meant obviously, is that like I said, like a joke or thing that people say no okay ever heard. I'll just check got there Yeah, no, no,

I'm done. Yeah, I just had to ask that was bugging me All right. Another thing we had to realize too I think we've touched on this before is sports in America is a religion yes there is a

religion Yes. We you see these guys jerseys being burned when they leave the team is cut their gods are leaving their team and so when you come in smear one of their Gods names on the very day that he died you're gonna get you're gonna get this reaction Yeah, of course you're gonna get this reaction that I don't think that was really race base because please, just the the reason why I say that is is whether race base from the fan because you have some rabid Kobe fans of all color of course.

Yeah. All nationality. So I don't want to make it seem like I want to put each one of the things in the buckets. They go, because it's gonna it's gonna matter later. Okay. Kobe fans are so he has some of the most rabid fans. When LeBron James decided to come to LA to play, these artists would go paint murals for Lebron James. And basically they will get tags and know this. This is this would be called beach town. I'm just, I'm just setting this the same for you.

Yeah. Quiet. This is Kobe Kobe's house here. Yeah, this is called his house. I mean that that was the sentiment like LeBron will never replace Kobe. So I'm just giving you a context. But he was loved to LA and the world but in LA, you know, saying especially. So let's continue on the next Whopper clip. But late Tuesday, the post lifted Sonmez suspension in a statement to newsy. It said after conducting an internal review, we have determined that while we consider Felicia his

tweets ill timed. She was not in clear and direct violation of our social media policy. Yeah, all right. So the guests the guild, I mean, the writers union leaned on the WaPo Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's free speech, man. And one thing I've noticed is the media. They stick together, regardless, whenever it's the media versus anybody, oh, the

media is gonna stick together. And no matter how wrong that person is, they're gonna make justifications for, you know, his journalistic integrity, integrity, and I had to, you know, I had they had to ask the tough questions, you know, so that's what we're that's where we're headed. Of course, I know exactly. Yeah. That that is, when do you ask the tough questions is always the right is important. It timing is everything. So we have Miss Lindsay grant, you're

on Granger from the daily blast. She goes and checks Felicia Sonmez I'm looking at the journalist Felicia and she is somebody who has gone through sexual assault herself. And she said that in the Washington Post, she released an article a couple of years ago, detailing her experience. So as a journalist, which is not what we do, we are a talk show with the brave new world and I was a journalist for 10 years prior to taking this job. So as a journalist, it's our job to objectively report

the news. I know that that will be tough if you're someone who survived sexual assault, but when I'm looking at the story, she didn't give the story any context and she got upset that she was the being attacked on Twitter for tweeting a link that basically was condemning Cobis character and accusing him of rape. But I think her job as a journalist was to put that in context, you have the responsibility, and you need to have the journalistic acumen, to write the full story, go to the

Washington Post and say, This man is a nuanced character. This man has a detailed layered history that we need to discuss. But don't just tweet that out and be the political reporter for The Washington Post and tweet that and leave it there. Because you're leaving yourself open to the attacks that you're now receiving as to whether or not she should be fired. You know, I think that she should be put on leave like she was. I think it's inappropriate, because we're in a time where we

don't know what journalism is anymore. We have our president that attacks journalists, we have TMZ that broke the news to Vanessa Bryant that her husband passed away. You know, what are we doing now? That? Yeah, this is this is again, it's, this takes a one this is what the machine is, this is how the machine works. Oh, good. Made it about us. Let's talk about us. Let's talk about how the President is mean to us. And it is so hard, we've got these

click fuckers over there from TMZ doing horrible shit. This is where Khashoggi used to show all the other stuff he did just put out, it's only about because that's an n, if anything, it's my life's work, is that people realize it's better to turn the television off. I will have succeeded. This is this is. Yeah. And I'm here to join you on that mission. Of course, we have to really understand what the media is and reason why I brought it

brought up. Khashoggi is, no matter what his negatives were. The fact that he was a member of the quote unquote, member of the media. Yep. They washed whitewashed all that. Yeah. And it was like he he wrote, he was a journalist, you know, he has some nefarious things going on with him. But when the shoes on the other foot, they don't have that same mentality. It's like, oh, yeah, we drag this guy for clicks and ran in a way to come up. That's I like that term. Drag him. That's cool. I like that.

Yeah. So as Miss Lindsay Granger pointed out on here, TMZ is the one that broke the news to Kobe's wife that he was dead. We got a tip that this had happened. And then we were on the phone with, with various people from Kobes camp for an hour before we posted the story. So, you know, all I can say is this, that when somebody of that magnitude dies, so tragically,

this becomes a worldwide massive story. And when you look at the the way these things come down, I mean, when you think about it, when there's a plane crash, when you think about it, the media immediately says, you know, flight, so and so going from Los Angeles to New York, you know, and they're basically telling 300 families knowing that their relatives were on the plane,

because it's a news event. And they're not waiting for, you know, the sheriff or whoever to come out with all of you know, the notifications or whatever, because they record it because it's a news event. This, in our judgment was such a big news event, that once we got and by the way, we got it confirmed by Cobis people. That ultimately that's what happened. That's that's how we ended up posting it. Good for you, Harvey. You followed all the journalistic rules. Very good.

So you got in touch with Cobis people are his camp. But his wife was blindsided by our news and you said you talked to him for an hour. That's disgusting. I mean, like, how can you not say okay, we need to get in touch with the white first before you post it. Well, you know why? Yeah, cuz they want to be the first to test to the headline. Yeah, I know. And it's just disgusting. The public loves it. The public loves it. You can't deny it.

People love it. They want to know they need info give me clicks, click click. Which is true. But if you're on a phone with the camp, you would think it say have you talked to his wife yet? But she know you know, before we run this thing out here, but I have such disdain for TMZ Oh, yeah. It's soulless. Yes, parasites correct. Because I honestly my personal belief is TMZ is like a commercial form of an alphabet organization. They have their

they have their spies everywhere hotels, restaurants. And this is how they operate. I mean, they have tentacles everywhere. It's been Other than that, they gladly take good tips from people everywhere and their numbers well known people call in all the time and they pay him. Yeah. And not only that, I mean, they say they have these random people that call them, I think they actually have plants show in the hotspots to shut your mouth.

Sure they do out, I want to give it example, because TMZ hands is not clean, and this whole tearing down of Kobe, and this was right when Kobe Bryant won his Oscar for his short story, and the film that was made out of it, I want you to hear one of the TMZ parasites and I'm gonna use that tariff for them because that's

what they are they just these be like, like parasites. I mean, they just suck anything they can listen to him running around at the Oscars where Kobe would receive the reward his award, trying to stir up controversy. Kobe Bryant's when yeah, there's a lot of people that are saying because he had some accusations in the past. And they're kind of surprised that he won. What's your reaction to that? Like?

I don't know. I would like to think I really don't know. But all I can say is I, I I'm kind of willfully ignorant about the situation. But my hope is that the project itself was judged on its merits. And that's and that's what we might have. Yeah, so I'm sorry. I didn't have a more interesting answer. You know, thanks a lot, guys. What you thought about Kobe and winning the Oscar was

incredible. Really? Like there are a lot of people even though he's been accused of things in the past like, you think that or watch movies. He won for Best Animated documentary. Okay. So but he's like, you know, had some accusations in the past. You think that matters? And a lot of thoughts on a lot of things like that, but I'm gonna keep it political. What do you think about Kobe Bryant winning an Oscar?

Amazing. Yeah, yeah. Even even in light of the whole metoo movement going on, you know, he had the allegations years ago is is that okay, that he want to ask him? Well, I don't know. I don't know much about his background. I mean, besides his career, but sure. Yeah, I think that's great. Thank you one. Nice. Yeah, this is this is the parasite trick. You know, this was, of course, right in the middle of the meat to movement, which was big at the Oscars amongst the virtue signalers.

And this guy was literally told by I presume, Harvey, go there and ask everybody about the rape allegations? And if they think it's okay, just ask them that. And that's exactly what he did. Because the guy's a bot. He's just like, and it's funny, because I always hear these guys. He's also trying to suck up to the stars. He doesn't want to be too embarrassing. You know, Hey, man, hey, hey, you know, what do you think? And it's, it's what we do in American media, particularly if

you are a king or a hero or at the top? Yeah, we'd like to, we'd like to bring people down and then we have the comeback kid. It's, it's what we do. And this was perfect, because oh, let's call some people out for hypocrisy or something like that. It's a machine move. So to the machine Kobe had gotten the green light or a pass because he received his Oscar he didn't really get heckled or booed at the Oscar. So that was like a weird thing. Because

like, you would think that me too. Crowle would a really struck it up on him. But they never could get any traction. So that just made me wonder like, you know, Mo if I can just interject, they'd been Kobe rep it certainly at that moment in his life and career represented huge. Money. Huge corporate interest. Big goggles. Sorry. No, you're good. You're good now is your man he's black that I mentioned that. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. That's that he was you were on a roll there.

He's untouchable. Man. He was neg that's a negative it means but the money thing he's he worked he's worked for Nike. We've saw that he had a chops to create go in content. He was a content creator. So yeah, they saw pass Yeah, they saw pass it like hands off. Nope. I mean, even at the Oscars now. If you notice, even when they were asked a question I don't know nothing about Kobe, right. I'm not done. Yet the Arab I had been coached up this say.

Yeah, I'm just here to celebrate life tonight. Everybody. Right? Well in the past and the Kobe is one guy that didn't Message and that's Mr. Ari Shaffir. In all nine lives were taken in a helicopter crash in Calabasas with countless lives beyond affected by a no sugarcoating it. devastating tragedy. That was until one comedian rubs salt in an open wound because I know there's always a lot of like hate pain in the world and so as much terrible stories, meet Orisha fears every once in a

while there's a good story. A good story comes out a guy who got away with rape got his today Kobe Bryant is up here at Charlotte home a team that originally drafted him maybe wouldn't have read that chicken Denver if he had been if it stayed in Charlotte, the Hornets should fear within the upper echelon categorization of tone deaf reactions. It gets worse Shapiro tweeted Kobe Bryant died

23 years too late. He got away with rape because all the Hollywood liberals who attack comedy enjoy rooting for the Lakers more than they dislike rape Big ups to the hero who forgot to gas up his chopper. I hate the Lakers. What a great day. He claimed he was hacked. But you get the point rather than another decade, who's just oh, let me do this. And I'll get attention because I've never heard of Ari David Shaffir before? Yes. But all in all, a being a butthole. He did say some truth

there that we even foreshadow to that. The liberal Hollywood had planned for Kobe. Yes. So this is from TYT just to let people know this is from Young Turks sports. And watch how in this next clip, the narrator doesn't let opportunity to politicize this. Get past him.

Side note the Hollywood liberals argument quick example. studios are contributing a plenty to the NRA and pro gun politicians discarding the lives lost to gun violence each and every day in America, including Netflix Warner Brothers plus Comcast, the corporate parent of universal pertaining to art many notables shared their opinions. Oh, so nice that oh, the Hollywood is not liberal, they donate to the NRA pro gun. Right? I mean, come on. Come on, we all will is

is on the cutting edge of of liberalism. Right? So now Cobis legacy and this word, we're not talking about the man and I don't really do the main stuff. We taught. We always talked about the narrative and the legacy and how people are, are used or Yeah, are weaponized. So at the same time, why he was being attacked for being a alleged rapist. Another demographic feminist, saw some good to use Mr. Kobe Bryant, it's likely that you're hearing many personal anecdotes about

Kobe Bryant. So here's mine. I met Kobe one time backstage at an event for ESPN in New York. And I saw him and I thought, oh my gosh, that's Kobe, I gotta get a picture for the gram. That's the picture. I didn't get it for a few minutes. Because as I approached him, he immediately commented on my rather large eight month pregnant belly, how are you? How close are you? What are you having a girl I said, and then he High five me girls with the best. I asked him for advice on raising girls seem as

though he quite famously had three at the time. And he said, just be grateful that you've been given that gift because girls are amazing. Just their daughter, Bianca was about a year and a half old at the time. So I asked if he wanted more children. And he said that his wife Vanessa really wanted to try again, for a boy but we sort of jokingly concerned that it would be another girl and I was like, four girls. Are you joking? Like, what would you think? How would you feel? And

without hesitation? He said, I would have five more girls if I could. I'm a girl dad. When it came to sports. He said that his oldest daughter was an accomplished volleyball player, and that the youngest was a toddler so TBD. But that middle one, he said that middle, what was a monster? She's a beast. She's better than I was at her age. She's got it.

That middle one, of course was Gigi, when I reflect on this tragedy, and that half an hour that I spent with Kobe Bryant two years ago, I suppose that the only small source of comfort for me is knowing that he died doing what he loved the most. The big a dad being a girl dad. One comment that was completely written and read goggles. No, my Ella, Ella ducky. I mean, it was it was scripted. Yeah, you could hear her reading it and you could hear her trying to throw inflection into it and

make it sound Conversation. Oh, but it was scripted. And of course, she cried at the end. That was nice. A nice touch. Yeah. So the feminists had two different plans for Kobe. Because why he was a huge supporter of women's basketball. And the WNBA is really struggling right now and then we make hit. I mean, they never made they've never made any money made a profit.

It's pretty it's pretty bad when in our country soccer, women's soccer is you know, leap years ahead of women's basketball right so they saw an opportunity here to say you know what, one faction and this is going to show people when you use term like feminist or whatever the SDR ism is there's always factions within those groups and corporate faction saw weaker really monetize and you know use this guy as a catalyst for our agenda money in the bank. Yeah, the girl dad and that and it

blew up girl dad was a big hashtag watching No. Yeah, I was watching the Fox Morning News. I don't I don't watch my wife watches it, but I mean, I have to hear it. And it's like, Girl dad, girl, dad. I'm a girl dad, you know? No. Oh, my dad's a girl dad. And I'm like, let's be clear people. I have three daughters. Dad. Yeah, so I'm, I'm a girl, dad. But I can say um, when you have girl girl girl as a parent, in general, you looking? Maybe to have another have, you know, have the

opposite sex? You know? So you have some? That's typically Yes. Yeah, typically a ship, man. Give me one boy, I might as well. These three girls can take care of them later on. Which the inverse of that, um, I have two other brothers and no sisters. And my parents were shooting for a girl. You know? So it works both ways. I'm not saying no just got my cuts from

one direction. But you can see how they're weaponized and it was such a huge hashtag it bled over into off one of our favorite shows the real goal. Oh, why don't begin again by giving our condolences to Kobe Bryant's family on the tragic loss of feminine sorter. And we want to give condolences to all the victims of that tragic

helicopter crash that happened on Sunday. Out of that tragedy, though, there are some inspiring amazing stories that are coming out about how Kobe touch so many with just his thoughtfulness and his lovingness take a look at this story. I asked if he wanted more children. And he said that his wife Vanessa really wanted to try again for a boy but was sort of jokingly concerned that it would be another girl and I was like, four girls. Are you joking? Like what would you

think? How would you feel? And without hesitation? He said I would have five more girls if I could. I'm a girl dad. This video has since gone viral. It was retweeted over 30,000 times. ESPN, put it up and it's it has many men proudly stating that they are hashtag girl dad. So how do you feel about this? Wow. Let me tell you, I have three girls I have a daughter and two stepdaughters. No way I want no way. I want five more that no way. I don't care what you say No way. Got testosterone

around somewhere. Ah, yeah. Balanced. I mean, just balanced. We asked for some some balance. I mean, when my son came was like, Ooh, at least at least I can relate to somebody you know. It gets it becomes a bit interesting, but you can hear how Oh, yeah. Pro woman running with it. Yeah. Well, which means Leo king would go on to say before you go there, okay, which I find also inappropriate. It's just as inappropriate as saying, well, there's his rape case. It just isn't. Who gives a shit? That

man has just died in? Oh, he was so beautiful. Now, I don't like any of that. Whether it's positive or negative, it's just it's I don't know if I find it achy. Anyway, when they brought him down to two things. It's like one he's a rapist and the other he's a dad of girls. I heard he played basketball too. I'm not sure if he was any good. unimportant. Okay, okay. We'll leave that up to Nike, you know, exactly ready to

monetize, however they got to monetize. But Miss Gayle King, she didn't get the message. Let me get you up to speed on Tuesdays. CBS This Morning aired gales interview with former WNBA star Lisa Leslie. In the wide ranging interview, Gail asked Kobe Bryant's longtime friend about his tragic death in January, he will be missed, but he will not be forgotten. That's for

sure. Gail also asked about his 2003 rape charge and subsequent criminal case, it's been said that his legacy is complicated because of sexual assault charge, which was dismissed in 2003 2004. Is it complicated for you as a woman as a WNBA, player, COVID. And he was never like that I just never see have ever seen him being the kind of person that would be do something to violate a woman or be aggressive in that way. This is not the person that I know.

The network later posted a clip of that specific moment and people got mad. Now, is it helpful to get because this is where I kind of picked up the story, although interestingly, I knew a lot about these other things. Do you want to use I tell you how this came across and what this meant to me and what I looked at, please, please. So and it was the keeper was looking at this and she's heartbroken over this. And she she's a sports fan, although we never watch sports, but you know, she's Chicago,

Chicago, bulls bears all this stuff, socks. But she just heartbroken over, you know, I think mainly because the daughter was on the was also on the helicopter. And so she showed me this, and the subsequent Snoop thing, but what, what what I heard, so I saw this like, Huh, that's interesting. Yeah, it's kind of a shitty question. But then I saw Gayle King's Instagram, I know you're gonna get there, I'm sure. And, and her main point was, well, it's bullshit.

Because it's out of context. It was a long interview, and I guess the Intuit even aired the day or two days earlier. So I don't know if that was in the interview. But it was the little clip that was put online, which out of context, you know. And so at first, I was like, oh, man, what a horrible woman to do that. And then her defense. as a, as a journalist, I thought to myself, wow, yeah, I can kind of understand that, you know, they

do that kind of shitty stuff out of context. And it can just hit wrong and get someone to rile it up on social media. And so I kind of gave Gail in my mind a pass and I that's when I dropped it. That's when I was done with the whole thing. Well, hold on, carry no boy. Oh, boy, standby, everybody, we're going down. Alright, so she said they took it out of context. So we don't do sound clips and sound bites on the show. No, we always go

back and get the full audio. That way we can make our own judgement if it was, you know, cherry picked or if it was, actually was what she said where she said, So and this next clip, I have the transition from one subject to the next subject. In the actual interview with Lisa Leslie, we know what Kobe is accomplished. But Gigi hadn't

she didn't have the full opportunity to do that. Because you just know that she she had the the mentality Mambas seemed it was gonna make it she was going to be in the WNBA It's been said that his legacy is complicated because of sexual assault charge, which was dismissed in 2003 2004. Is it complicated for you, as a woman as a WNBA? Player?

It's not complicated for me at all. Even if there's a few times that we've been at a club at the same time club is not the kind of guy never been like, you know, please go get that girl or tell her or send her this. I have other NBA friends that are like that. COVID He was never like that. I just never see have ever seen him being the kind of person that would be do something to violate a woman or be aggressive in that way. This is not the person that I know.

But Lisa, you wouldn't see it though. As his friend you wouldn't see it and that's possible. So that was that the real transition? That was not an edit. Yes, that's the real transcript and you sure because even the audio sounded like I mean that was there a cut in the video? Well, I can't tell that I mean, I'm sure it was edited when they edited it, but that's not an editor of mine. This came from almost no I understand. I just want to hear this came from Yeah, I just

want to look at the waveform Hold on a second. Let me let me just look at she she had the the mentality mama Sita was gonna make it she was going to be in the WNBA It's been said that his lips I don't know, man. That's hard to tell. I'm zooming in. It's hard. I'm not I'm not taken away. It could have been well, it's just one sec, edit it to the next day. It's horrible if it no matter if it was edited or not. If it's It went on the air like that. It's horrible.

Well, here's the thing is she was just asked the question, you know if he's passed, okay, it was right after talking about her daughter being great in the WNBA. True, but let's just say we're gonna say we're gonna give her the benefit of doubt. She's doing her journalistic due diligence. And she has to ask the tough questions, right? Yes. And that was the justification from a lot of other journalists or media. People. Well, she had to ask the question, that's our

job. You know, she had asked what, fine. It was the last 20 seconds of the clear what she said, but you're you were his friend, you wouldn't really know, would you? Yeah, I heard that. That is what really, that's what really pissed people off because it's like, hello, Gail. You just asked her a question. And then you're gonna basically asked her for a while asking that if you think her response is gonna be biased. Yeah. And I don't think I heard that last part in any original that I saw.

No, you didn't? Did you? I know you did. That's what we do here. I played the EP clip that was Entertainment Tonight. I mean, if you just let them hear, she just asked the question, you know, about his legacy being, you know, difficult, or, you know, none of that. Oh, like leading the witness kind of thing. But that's what pissed everybody off. Yes. And, and she continues. I just, it's just, I just don't I just don't believe that. And

I'm not saying things didn't happen. I just don't believe that things didn't happen with force. Is it even a fair question to talk about it, considering he's no longer with us and that it was resolved? Or is it really part of his history? Well, I think that the media should be more respectful. At this time, it's like if you had questions about it, you've had many years to ask him that. I don't think it's something that

we should keep hanging over his legacy. I mean, he went to it went to trial, it was a case it was dismissed, because the victim in the case refused to testify. So it was dismissed. And I think that that's how we should leave. Yeah, that's you know what, this is a sad statement that this is the Tiffany broadcast network, CBS ladies and gentlemen, who do this then no better than TMZ. And, and did her job in jail or job kill?

Even though you're so successful? Don't you think it's a little troubling that you and Oprah wear fanny packs and go into the woods camping together? I mean, does that really say anything? I mean, fuck, man, you can do anything with anybody. Horrible. And I think she thought she was gonna get, you know, Lisa Leslie to kind of sigh with her or give her something to Well, that would be the media way. Yeah. But she did. And the thing is, Gail called Lisa Leslie for this interview.

So it was Yeah. Oh, yeah. Let me get a WNBA player let me throw this ally you up to her pun intended, and see if she slammed at home and least Lastly, slam the door in her face. It was like no, I'm not. No, let's leave it where it was that you had time to ask news questions when he was alive. You know, and you didn't. And this is what started everything. Go. So let's get into the backlash.

When Kobe was 24 He was charged with one count of felony assault after a then 19 year old woman went to the police claiming he'd sexually assaulted her in his Colorado hotel room back in 2003. The case was dropped in 2004. After the accuser declined to testify. The same woman also filed a civil lawsuit, which was settled out of court in 2005. Right. Yeah, so that was just the background or the catch people up on the alleged the allegation or the event in question. To me,

I don't get into people bedrooms. However, the court said, if you notice when we talk about other celebrities or iconic figures, I don't go for the low hanging fruit. I don't go for the sexual innuendo or whatever like that. Right. And not me. It's like, so we've talked about what their motives were. But the whole purpose of this whole Gayle King interview was to get all this churning back up. Even Snoop Dogg took to social media with an explicit message for Gail.

We expect more from you, Gail. Don't you hang out with Oprah while you're attacking us? We owe people on Thursday Gail responded to the backlash on Instagram. I hit only Seeing the clip that you saw, I'd be extremely angry with me too. I am mortified. I'm embarrassed. And I'm very angry. And she shared her side of the story. Unbeknownst to me, my network put up a clip from a very wide ranging interview. Totally taken out of context. And when you see

it that way, it's very jarring, jarring to me. So I've been told or been advised to say nothing. But that's not good enough for me. I reached out to Lisa, because I know that she's a longtime friend of Cobis. To talk about his legacy and their friendship. We had a really wide ranging interview talked about many things. And yes, we talked about that court case, because

that court case has also come up. And I wanted to get least his take on it as a friend who knew him well, what she thought where that should stand. Right. Okay. But really, she said, I want to know what you think of it as a friend. Okay, thanks. That's great. But your friends, so you really can't know. So she was very, very mean. very mean. Yeah. So I see it now. All right. All right. Now, and another thing, maybe you didn't catch and clip 14.

The reporter uses the same verbiage that Gail uses. It's a wide ranging. Oh, can I go back and you can go back and listen to that. Is that Yes. Probably in the first 1020 seconds. Yeah. Let me get you up to speed on Tuesdays. CBS This Morning aired gales interview with former WNBA star Lisa Leslie. In the wide ranging interview. Gail asked Kobe Bryant. Good catch. I like that. Good catch. So when I heard this, I was like, Oh, this is damage

control. Because of what Snoop Dogg said. And we haven't even got to what Snoop Dogg said we got a clip of what Snoop Dogg said because they didn't want to give his words any more oxygen for soda fire can burn but as I said before, we don't do clips here are sound bites. I went and got the whole Snoop Dogg Instagram post. Game Okay. Out of pocket for that shit. Way out of pocket. What do you gain from that? I swear to God we to worse. We to fucking worse? We expect more

from you Gail. Don't you hang out with Oprah? Why you're attacking us? We owe people you ain't come after fucking Harvey Weinstein ask them dumb ask questions. I get sick a yo I want to call you what is it? Okay if I call them one funky dough hit bitch. How dare you try to twist my motherfucking homeboys reputation punk motherfucker. Respect to family and back off, bitch before we can get all right. All right. You're not let me see them loaded here. Can

I Can I just want to deconstruct this for a moment. Please. Alright. So very valid comment about Harvey Weinstein. Almost no coverage, very low coverage because you know Trump impeachment. Then we had Kobe. Yeah, but very little actual. Harvey Weinstein coverage. And then funky dog haired ass bitch. Yeah, is that what he said? Dog head. No dog head. Okay. Well, then I understand it. I didn't get dog hair but dog head Alright, got it. Yeah, but you know, respect for the family. I hear I hear him.

But one thing he said they took and They latched on to it and they spin it when he said We're coming for you. We will come for you. Or we'll come get you Yeah, hold on me that's at the very end right? At the very end we just play that part. How do you try to toys my mother fucking homeboys reputation pot What the fuck was faked a family and back off, bitch before we come ditch. Okay, before we the family clearly

before we come get you. So now just mark that down. But I want to go back to the point you talked about for about Harvey Weinstein. Now this girl interview. Not surprised at all. I was waiting on it. This is what they do. This is what Gail and Oprah does. They have a a they're known for this kind of behavior. Oh looking. They're looking at this. This is why I

brought it up because to the mainstream media watchers. They won't catch this because As you heard in the clip, they took a little snippet of what of the interview and kind of like the the low impact information and then they took a little clip of Snoop Dogg and tells you how bad it was but didn't play you the clip. And that's that's all you heard. But Gayle King, Oprah have a history of looking the other way when it comes to white

men. Powerful white men in Hollywood. Television, but when it comes to black men, your you remember the raw the art Kelly virome fame famous. Yeah. And I think she got bit by a viral bug and thought she was gonna get the same thing again. What do you think? What do you think this is? Is this a hatred of black men? Is it a hatred of men? Is today? We're gonna call out the evil elements who are doing horrible things according to us so we can

make us better? Is that what it is? What the hell are they think and when who made them? The the bosses of us. It's the gender war. So it is purely that but you but okay. Yeah, no. I mean, yeah, you're right. gender war. As I said before, 2020 is important. All of this is underlying, we have to separate ourselves into our own

demographic. separate ourselves from black men. Yeah. If you don't, if you don't carry the water, you know, if you don't push the feminist agenda, if you don't push the intersectionality agenda, whatever agenda it is, if you don't push it, then we need to marginalize you. Right so they they saw excellent example of attacking Kobe Bryant. They get another feather in the cap. That's one list conversation we got our work covenants me to thing we're on top of it without talking about

the real power structure. We don't want to talk about the real the Les Moonves is of the world. The hardest Weinstein's of the world through power there. Yes. Exactly. The right power. My definition of lack show what white really is, is nepotism. Exactly. So they they thought David Great. Gail and Oprah are passing and they're earning in their earning their keep. Oh, of course if Good job girls. Don't don't we see the same thing with with Hoover. That's we the hardest. Yeah. So a weekend pass.

Really? Yeah. never considered that. Yes, this is this is what we're talking about here. So yeah, um, and I know you'd probably not you but people are saying well, while you're stretching there. Let's hear how Gayle King spoke on Charlie Rose.

Gayle King opened up about the me to movement and a profile with the New York Times which published online on Wednesday, the CBS Morning anchor extensively discussed how the movement evolved from a topic she covered on the news to something she's had to face head on as a number of her colleagues at CVS have been accused of sexual misconduct and

harassment. Kings coworker Charlie Rose, who co hosted CBS This Morning, alongside CBS CEO Les Moonves and 60 minutes Executive Producer Jeff Fager have all been accused of misconduct over the past year. King told the times that you can hold two ideas in your head at the same time, meaning that she believed the accusers while also believing that the accused men shouldn't be banished for light. She also discussed the possibility of redemption for the man accused saying there

must be room for some redemption somewhere. I don't know what the answer is to that, and it might be too soon. Maybe people don't want to hear that King added that it is difficult to talk about the me to movement and brought up Matt Damon's comments as an example. They took his head off and I actually agree with what he was saying. That doesn't mean I'm just counting

what the women are saying. I'm just saying that we can't paint everybody with the same brush King said she isn't sure what roses next career steps will be and while she doesn't anticipate on working with rose again, she revealed that they do still keep in touch. I know there are two sides to every story. That's

what I know. She said before sharing that she recently called rose to check in on him after he had a health scare to times reach out to where it was for a comment to which he responded to via email taloja The Sunday Times is profiling Dale there is a God in heaven. Rose did eventually speak with the times and had nothing but praise for his former co host for more on the story had to thr.com and until next time for The Hollywood Reporter news everyone enjoy

as great that's great. You know I'm able to hold two things in my head One time. Yes. I'm very special that way. Now I actually have a minute clip of her on CBS on the morning show talking about if you're interested. Sure, sure. Let's let's hear the Washington Post is signaling there may be more revelations about what CBS News knew about claims of inappropriate conduct. Charlie

Rose. In a story published yesterday, the post detailed three occasions during which it says CPS managers were warned of Rose's conduct. All right, Anna, thank you. Listen, the more you hear about the story, the more awkward and more uncomfortable it is. But the good news is, you can say good news is that the company is investigating hired somebody from the outside. And I really do feel that the chips fall where they made this

investigation is continuing. And we take it very, very seriously, as a son of somebody worked in the news business in the 50s. And 60s, I think about the women who had to come forward what they had to the anguish they had to live through the courage it took to come forward. And the frustration of having to be silent and feel like you can't have a voice. So it's good that

they can get some kind of way through this investigation. I also kind of I also think about the other damage in this, which is all the people who work here, those long nights, who fling themselves across the country, cover stories, who were a part of this now and dealing with it as well, which is why it's important or investigating the past, but even more important that we're moving forward. And that there are a lot of professionals in the building

doing a very good job. I don't want people to forget, you know, there are a lot of people doing a lot of good work here, as you pointed out. Boy, awkward, very awkward and just awkward. Really bad man is bad. Not not that predators or No, no, no, I'm sorry. You know, at least the company is investigating. That's very good. Good news. Good news. And if you go back to her clip, she said, Well, he's a friend you know, and I can see things two ways you know, I can I

believe the women walk at least allegedly do the same thing. You hear the hypocrisy. Now we're starting to see well, we're, we're covering it. There's a difference in how we color. tone but how we cover people by their, quote unquote, color, like Charlie Rose. He could be this could be that could be Oh, man, maybe? Yeah. Well, maybe she just sweet on Charlie. So let's listen to Gayle King on movies.

I am so sorry. Again, it's so close to home for us. You know, I'm sick and sick of the story and sickened by everything that we keep hearing. But the part you mentioned about transparency is very disturbing to me. Because I would think, How can we have this investigation and not know how it comes out? Les Moonves has been on the record. He says, Listen, he didn't do these things, that it was consensual, that he hasn't hurt anybody's career. And I would think it would be in his best

interest for us to hear what the report finds out. On the other hand, you have women who are coming forward very credibly talking about something that's so painful and so humiliating. It's been my experience that women don't come out and speak this way for no reason. They just don't, they just don't do it. And so I don't know how we move forward. If we don't we at

CBS don't have full transparency about what we find. John, I wasn't here yesterday, because I was in a wedding in Europe, as you guys know, but I thought it was interesting when you said a friend of yours said for 30 years this has haunted her because we of course were talking about it all weekend and someone said what How Does anybody remember what happened 30 years ago when it is that traumatic? And that's humiliating you remember every single detail like brother yell so disingenuous. There's

so many details there. Let's get some nice women on the couch. A whole week special and talk to them about Moonves and Charlie Rose and the other guy and we got plenty of guys, but there's a friend you know, like you can't really tell now can you give you don't really know do you, man? Oh. So now we're seeing people that sensitive sensitive to this, have been picking up on this. And we're waiting for the expos. As for these guys like, Oh, she wants to admit clip that I'm

sick of this story. Yeah, not. It is a great day for women. You know that, you know, the victims finally get to tell the truth. She said no. I'm sick of their story. You know? What? Oh, now you're sick of it. But when it's somebody like you know, let me make some clear. I am not taking no for our Kelly. I'm not taking any of them. What I want is fairness. If you're going to cover one group of people that weren't way b just cover this other group of people saying wow,

we don't really want that. Otherwise we'd have no show. We want people just to be themselves and that'll help us. Right. Gail is not let's not. Let's not beat up on Gail too much. Oh, let's go to Oprah. Yes, please. Let's talk about what's happening with Harvey Weinstein. I know you posted on Facebook already but you haven't kind of spoken yet publicly about what's going on. I think that this is, yeah, I'm always trying to look for the rainbow

in the clouds, whatever is the silver lining. And this is what I do know for sure. When something this major happens when you have the fallout 50 women coming forward, that it's a watershed moment. And what I do believe is actually happening is that, first of all, it's triggering a lot of unreleased pain, repressed anger, guilt and suffering that a lot of women have had I happened to be on set with several actresses the other day, and we were filming some things and they were like, they

hadn't slept over a period of two or three days. And I was like, what is that? I said, Oh, you guys are suffering from PTSD. And we never worry about it out loud to everybody has a story. Everybody has a story. And so I think this is a watershed moment. And if we make this just about Harvey Weinstein, then we will have lost this moment. Oh, wow. That's pretty great. She's looking for the rainbow and the silver linings. Yeah. It's just about Harvey Weinstein

and unicorns. Wow. And I want to say this, Snoop Dogg's attack was really attack on Oprah. Gail just I happen to walk into the, into the crossfire. Because he said, he said, all your friends were open. Right? And that's when we he really you're saying start landing on thick because people have spotted this about Oprah. You had Michael Jackson, you had Bill Cosby, you know, and I gotta tell you, as someone who has worked with Michael Jackson, I've determined that he was if anything asexual

and I, I witnessed that whole trial, I was alive. I was working. I was in the business I saw it was going on. I was always rooting for him. I knew he was going to say I said he got killed and people hung up on me. And turns out of course he really was. And when oak because I remember one of the most impressive moments of Michael Jackson, to me, was when he was with Oprah and that she's at Neverland, and they're in his theater. And he just and he just starts riffing. And I still get

goosebumps when I think about it. Like, oh my god, it's so talented. And Oprah was it all Michael ha. When we grew up together, it's almost like, Forget Diane, I take me Michael. And then the way in that shitty ass documentary that came out, which really bothered me, I mean, I I didn't even watch the whole thing. I know it was gone. I know who these people were. I was I saw that happen. I was there. I was in the business. So and then how Oprah propagated that was to me very

disappointing. That's That's when she lost all my respect. That's all. I never pay attention to her. So I didn't know that there was this continuous thing going on, that she likes to discredit black men. And the latest one was Russell Simmons. Gotcha. That was that was yeah, that was the latest that was the latest one that her her target. And people kind of pushed back on her. So she kind of saw, I saw differently. I saw it as she it was enough for her to

just get that going. And the I don't think she even really intended to be a part of the documentary. I don't think so. I thought Well, isn't that what Oprah is known for? Yes. Do it put her name on something? Yep. And then it just takes a life of its own. Now, is her picture still on the wall next to Martin Luther King and JFK? Or is it sliding down?

Well, that was only in some households so they give him some there's coming down and others is stripping her but I know I know for sure and one household has been off the wall and that's for Miss Monique. Are you familiar with Monique right? Know what how do I know Monique from the from the movie movie pressures? Oh, oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. Monique is Yeah, yeah, well, Mo Nica Oprah has had a running feud ever since precious

stuff I didn't know I'm glad you're on the showbiz tip. Mo This is very this is very handy. So what happened was that Monique claims that Oprah blackballed her, her and Oprah and Lee Daniels blackballed her because she went and do press rooms for for the movie precious. So of course Monique had something to say when this whole beef kicked up.

Welcome back to TMZ live via it is one of the things we we say frequently hear that either There are certain people in Hollywood you don't hear people, other people in Hollywood go

after. But Monique has never been one to hold her tongue and felt very strongly about something she had observed happening with Oprah Winfrey. And so she did not hold back basically wrote an open letter criticizing Oprah for, for attacking by attacking I mean working on documentaries producing documentaries that went after powerful black men, Russell Simmons, Michael Jackson, while not saying anything, at least publicly about Harvey Weinstein or being

critical of Harvey Weinstein, so Monique spilled this out and an open letter that was extremely critical of Oprah hmm. Okay, Monique, she she doesn't bite her tongue. No. And as just imagine some might say we are you know, a certain people in Hollywood. You just don't criticize. That this is what's happening. And what's your wit? I want you to wit? I want people to realize what they're witnessing here. The old guard? Yes. The old bootleg guard.

Yeah, yep. Yep. Is has lost their power slipping. Yep. Because the media. And this is the same for politicians. And I think I've said it here before. These people still think you do the 80 interview you do the, you know to do the thing was the right people. Have Charlie Rose interview us around the table really deep and intriguing and probing. And that's how you get

your message out. Except that's not how it works. That's why Gail said Yeah, I don't really usually do this Instagram because she she doesn't get it. And what Snoop does he gets it. He's a part of that. Although he's moving towards the older, older guard to but not like Oprah. And yeah, the power is gone. It's all old politicians still think that? Oh, you know, I just go on the Sunday morning talk shows and and that'll be fine. No, no, no, no.

No. Yes. Yes. Talent. This is a talent at 10th AKA, aka Boulais. They're slowly being called out for their actions. And let's just hear Monique, do it. Going after Oprah. Good idea or not. Monique, welcome back to TMZ live. How are you doing? Wonderful. I see you have Sydney's there with you too. Sorry. I don't Sydney. Don't wonder. All right, we're good. So. So what was the impetus for

writing this? Because Oprah had backed out of the Russell Simmons documentary, guys, I feel like it was a month ago. But this weekend, you decided you you just had to get this out? Well, because I had just seen the interview that she did. When she was asked the question, in reference to Russell and I had seen the interview that he did when it came to Harvey. So it was fresh, because I had just seen it. And when you use words like what was the word critic criticizing, criticizing, criticizing?

Well, if you read it, I don't know if it's been critical. More so than asking Oprah question, what's the central question? Why is there such a difference? Why is there different words used and a different fight head? When it seems like the color of the skin makes you look for the clouds in the light the silver lining? And when it comes to a black man, I believe these women, well, how come? Why is it different? Let's say mate, well, no. Why is it different? This is a good

question. It's a very depends if that man can do something for her. I guess. That and then another question I want to lay on top of Monique's question is, why is the liberal media not jumping? You care so much about people of color colored people? Why are you not calling Oprah out as protectors of this power structure? But they won't do it. But I'll give you an example of how they'll do a blackmail that they like to call out. This is from the Young

Turks sports. And one of your favorites are Mr. Jason Whitlock. Ooh, okay. Kobe Bryant, the most fraudulent superstar celebrity athlete we have ever seen because of his unique upbringing. He chose to be a knockoff rather than an original. I've been criticizing Kobe for a long time Chanel knockoff bag or whatever. That's when Kobe is to Georgia. Why does he have to have two jerseys? I thought it was on brand for Kobe. He's a bit of a narcissist. I would love for a

documentary to be done. On Kobe, slimmer the kind of way OJ Simpson was examined and what he said about race, he spent 20 years in the NBA, and never figured it out. It's a team game and it's about the pleasure of everyone. I compare Kobe's death and stick with me here to Pat Tillman's death. Let's nip this in the bud. Jason Whitlock is a sellout he says trustworthy as a $3 bill as much credibility as Jared Kushner on

foreign affairs as authentic as his newly formed hairline. He's a well paid actor. I think he's going to go down in history as the smartest basketball player we've ever seen. So when he says this attempting to mop up his entire career being built by shitting on the black athletes, they focused on his history, not his fake sympathy. Well, that's, I mean, the way this report was put together, I feel I don't feel so good about Jason Whitlock right now.

Well, Jason Whitlock, I will say this, most of his critiques are were about basketball. Toby's basketball. Yeah. And it was commonly accepted that Kobe was toxic on the basketball floor didn't pass. No, that's that's the big thing. Nobody wanted to play with him. That was the narrative, you know, no, la out had all this money and they couldn't keep players to come play with him. Because he was such an intense

person. You know, it was like, we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it my way that I mean, that's what the mamba mentality was, it was just, we're going to work 110% And if you can't get on board, that he will basically run you out of town and break you. So Jason Whitlock critiques heard here. And if Clint were fair, the one I didn't really care for was he got into Cobis personal relationship with his wife. Right. Right. That that kind of took some of the luster off of Jason Whitlock as well

for me, because that's outside the bounds. I mean, you don't get into people's but I will say this. Every sports major sports icon. They form this love hate relationship with a major athlete. This is how they come up. Skip Bayless he has it with LeBron. Stephen A Smith. I've had it with Kevin Durant. I'm like yeah, you got it. Got it. That's how you use it. You write read? Write a bad about the guy. You hate the guy. You said it. That's how you come up. Yeah, it's no different than music.

Yeah, but my question is this guy says, Jason Whitlock. The brain not in the black athlete. So Young Turks. Where's your article on Oprah? Where's where's your where's your clips are Oprah she's talking about bringing them down. Yeah. Like in life, not just sports. And then this guy, we use a weird term like he's a sellout. It's like I told you these liberal white people somehow get a pass to use these terms. I brought up before a coon yay. Yeah. You heard him say sell out. They use other terms.

Where do you sell out considered to be the ratio? No racial will you use in terms of saying he's bringing down black athletes and him being a black guy? That's I mean, because you could be a sellout in the music industry, because you came in as an indie star and you sold out and became a pop

star. I mean, so the word the term sell out in itself is not a loaded term is how you use it. So he was basically saying he the sell out because he's black and he wants to take down black athlete so where's your clips on call it Oprah sell sell out, but nobody would do it? Well, no, I just wanted to show powerful sports figures. sports figures are also more fair game for commentary. That's the whole the whole television game is commentary about about the players and about how they

played etcetera. Oprah is just not to be criticized if you want to work in media. Well, yeah, bikinis on a one minute. Tangent. Look at how they did Terry Crews. When he was oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it all he's a hero. You know, Terry woohoo. Yeah, Terry got grope. But when he came outside, I didn't see anybody being racist to Gabrielle Union. Yeah. It's not a sport. It's not just horse, but I got grace. So what I did was I went and to one of

my new favorite sources. I really didn't listen too much. But the more I listen to she has a very interesting show. Miss Karen Hunter, and she's with Mr. Lamar King is no relation to kill King? I don't believe so. And they discussed this new cross the line, but you're we coming to get you that that could have been he could he could say Black Twitter or US Nah, you know what I mean? Like I'm sending nobody to the

crib. No, I mean, here's another thing that they've if 50 something year old grandfather having wearing his daughter's scarf wearing snow. If we're being honest, I don't think he was threatening her life when I'm saying somebody could say a lot of stupid people out of kids out here too. So with that, I feel like they could have pivoted her on Oprah and really thrown it back and be like, Oh my god, Snoop just threaten my life and turn it back on Snoop and make Snoop look like the

villain. They don't have to cache. Like they could have attacked you why they'd been white men for too long. And as it relates to black people, for them to turn it on to snoop what require black people to be on your side here, but we don't even play with redstone we don't play with drives. But what I've heard her say like that would require people to go after Snoop and say that was wrong. Shut that down. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. And I'm saying I

guarantee you that would have been possible. They offered Gail Yeah, they make the right phone calls and somebody's like a snoop. You know what you my man and all, but that was too much fan. You know what I'm saying and saying that? Yeah. That clips are you what you want to? You want to discuss what you can tell you what you took away from that? No, you go ahead because I just want to process she basically called Oprah Gail white men. Well,

yeah. In full disclosure, Karen Hunter is a black woman, too. She said that. If the people aren't with you, you know, they couldn't do anything. You know, they couldn't really turn this around. But this guy Lamont King was spot on because he was like, you can make the right phone calls. Yeah. And people will show you made the back off. And the funny thing is one of my good friends, we discussed these things and may have had the same conversation before you know, this whole thing. While it was

going on real time. It was like, Snoop, he's stepping awesome. Some of the wrong toes. If you want to be working in this town. Yeah. If you want to work if you want to lay have a vow of poverty. Yeah, you can. You can go after these people. But I'm seeing the Snoop Dogg podcast on the horizon. But I mean, I'm sure has a what's their name of the one he does the shows with? Her name slips my mind. Yes, no one Snoop does the show with I don't know what Stewart Martha Stewart Oh,

sure. I'm sure opera has Martha Stewart's number and I am or whoever does the game shows it snoops around the stoop is all she is incredible. She has incredible power in the television business. So anything he's doing in television, and I would argue in Hollywood, although her main phone call is, you know, is in court right now. Because she if you. I mean, if you could call Harvey Weinstein and say, hey, you know, problem with this guy. It was over. That's now hopefully change. But

in television for sure. Oprah can call on. Ted Turner is another one because he had a show on TBS, I'm sure I'm sure Oprah has all these people's numbers. And like, you know, well, sadly, sadly, Ted Turner has Alzheimer's and he's a plant now. So that's not a call I want to make. Yeah. Okay. But your point is, oh, yeah, I mean, it's people that they can call, they just didn't know who they could call at the time they were having

this discussion? Well, let's continue to listen to did they cross the crossing line? You know what I'm saying? And saying that, I could see Luke saying that because No, not black. Twitter is not saying it. If you call the right person, they I gotta think about I gotta think about it. Okay, you can call the right person. I don't think somebody's senior to snow, who's maybe 55 Instead of fitting for who? You gotta let me think I'm gonna give you they

could have did that. They could have thrown it back and then fade it back into the shadows. No, because that's not right. With the climate and the temperature. People were like, good. You understand? Have you been watching the comments, get it? So them saying I can't believe you throughout my life. And oh, this is terrible. You see, you know, and try to play that role with where they sit, as I'm saying, and I'm not being disrespectful. They have not been, you can show up to black

things. But to be in the community. You can show up to Westside high and give money. You can be in different places and donate money, but they have not been black people for a long time. So because of the level of wealth and how they move. So the non black people know, fantastic. That's about it. I'm more black than them dammit. I can see it now clearly. So yeah, they're passing so is there

this Karen? What's her name? Karen. Hunter Hunter where she where can I want to listen to this show where she on? She's on the satellite radio. Oh, Sirius Sirius XM? Yes. You're serious. Yeah, you will find her on YouTube as well. Oh, it sounds fun to listen to. Alright, cool. She does have a very interesting show. And she makes some very interesting points, but I think she was a little awfulness. Akashi underestimate the power of one sympathy, because exactly

what Gayle King, Oprah did. I mean, we covered that already in the clips that they paid the he's threatening me roll, you know, he says, come to get me my death threat. Yeah, but I want to point out and earlier clips about the previous reporter. They got the same death threat. So you can't put this on snoop. Right. Yeah, I mean, what you it's not equivalent to say yeah. Oh, Snoop said this are now getting death threats. No. Snoop didn't say anything about the lady from the Washington Post.

But she got death threats, because she came against trying to ask me her Cobis image, right. So I think that's not a fair, no one to one correlation and say, What Snoop said, I'm getting death threats. But let's let Karen and I'll finish up why people don't treat them like black kids. So you could use that as all I'm saying, you make that right phone call to a person. I don't even know their name. As a white person, I'd like to hear the beginning over again.

Why people don't treat them like black keys. So you. That's right. That's nice. could use that as all I'm saying. You make that right phone call to a person. I don't even know their name. And that person is calling us news. like, Yo, you don't want to mess with your money champ. They can't mess with his money channel. It's always somebody, somebody just No Pass agency. Everybody does. Everybody does. mocks No Pass agency. He said when he said there's nothing you can do

about it. You take away the Martha Stewart. You're gonna get money because black people are gonna support Snoop Dogg no matter what. And even though I agree, but you're saying he's bigger than doing an apology tour? Yes. When they come get you they come in to get you know. Ah, Oh, interesting. Wrong. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I think Kara Horner I think she knows better. She knows better. But in Black Media, this situation for the

people and Black Media was very sensitive. Because the people were with Snoop. Yeah. But the media the media. Is Oprah talented. 10th and the you know, you got to be because Oprah could def shit. I could call one person at serious and get this get I could get Karen off there. If I really want one person i It's one call. But I could do that. I mean, Oprah Imagine, imagine. Oh, no. Of course you got to be thinking about that. Though. She gave snoop. She knows Snoop was not more

powerful than Oprah. Oprah could easily shut down. Shut down Snoop, but she was playing to her audience. She's like, you know, I'm on Snoop side. I want to you know, Sue can't be taken. Come on, knock it off. Right now. Nobody's above. And that's the thing about when you become a billionaire. That's a whole different that she was making the point. She was making two points at once. But she was saying one that they haven't been black people for a long time because of the money and

the influence they have. But then Snoop has more power to overnight. Yeah, no way. Yeah, I don't think Barack Obama had a party at at snoops house to raise money for his campaign in 2012. I don't think so. Exactly. So Oprah comes out. And she plays the sympathy card as long as La maki alluded to. I think the last 24 hours for your best friend had been pretty difficult after that interview with Lisa Leslie about Kobe. And I just wondered just how she's doing

and it's not doing well. May I say she is not she is not doing well, because she has now death threats and has to now travel with security. And she's feeling very much attacked. You know, Bill Cosby is texting from is tweeting from jail. And she's not she's not doing well and feels that she was put in a really terrible position because that interview had already ran was over and in the car Text of the interview, everyone seemed fine, including Lisa Leslie. And it was only because somebody at

the network, put up that clip. And that and I can see how people would obviously be very upset if you thought that Gail was just trying to press to get, you know an answer from Lisa Leslie. So she propagates the lie because again, that's not what it was about. It was about the URIs friend, you wouldn't really know anyway. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't about the question. I mean, she just asked that one question. You know what, they fooled me mo. They had me fooled. They had me

fooled. I was. But now again, I did not dive in. This was not my topic to do. But they had me definitely. And that's the whole point. I mean, what headlines is why they're so powerful now that the majority of people only read the headlines, and maybe the first paragraph, you know, of course, mostly the headlines. I mean, when you look it up and down a timeline, so they understand how it works. But what they don't understand is, there's people that are spotting these trends.

Yeah, what the timeline is in line, and you can go back on your line and say, Okay, there's a data point, there's a data point, there's a data point, and you start formulating these, you know, these ideas that Oh, I see how you do things different, depending on who's involved. What did what did Bill Cosby tweet? I am not even sure I have a Twitter in jail. It's another question was going blind. So I mean, it's right. Can't walk is blind. And yet dude are in jail. I don't know. I have

to throw his name in there. We really build and do them any service because when you link Snoop Dogg's name to Bill Cosby, now, you know, always you're guilty by association. Of course, that's what that's what that's a tool. All right. So you had that was just let people know who was on the interview that was older I think is her name outta. hodor hodor hodor and Bush lady. She's granddaughter I believe. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I'm watching Fox News with your

wife. I have no idea what what's going? It's Hoda. Yeah. So if you listen to him, and Oh, no. That's not the show where they drink in the morning. Isn't it that show? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they made they made a turn. Oh, yeah. So I'm, in this next clip, I'm gonna give you a task. Okay, I'll make the talking point was laid out in this next clip, but Oprah, she, she obviously all things pass. She will be okay. But she hasn't slept about two days. What do you think about all that

criticism? I think the vitriol is I think anybody can criticize anything, but the misogynist vitriol and the attacking to the point where it is dangerous to be in the streets alone, because it's not just the people who are attacking. It's the other people who take that message and feel like they can do whatever they want to because of it. You know, you have built this community. That's what you're doing with

this tour. That's what you do with your friends. We have best friends we were talking about this last night that if one of our friends was going through this, it's you. There's a difference between you and what do you do? You support them and you know, I was on the phone with her this morning. I was on the phone with her last night I was on the phone with her the night before I think you you stand in the gap. You try to

be there for your friends. But it's this is very hard because when you have social media and the force of social media, and particularly people who didn't see either interview making attacks, and I think everybody has a right to have their opinion, but to do it with such vitriol is hate and meanness. Well, I heard misogynist in there. Yeah. misogynist. vitriol? Yes. Yeah. Did I win? I get a car, a car and you get a car.

Yes. misogynist vitriol? Exactly. It was right away. They went to us because she's a woman now it's because what she said what she did it wasn't because she's a woman. And but but but what she probably was referring to or how people may have received that is when you say dog had bitch that's, that would be seen as massage. gymnast. That was the that was what she was talking about. But that was

that's what made it a man versus woman thing. Yeah, even though we just heard Monique come at the Oprah for this and then we are early in the clips that what was her name? Lindsay Granger. She went after people trying to railroad Cobis legacy. So this is not a man versus woman thing. But that's what that's the way they want it to. That's how they're selling. Yeah, sure. That's, that was a spin. Yeah. And et was complicit in this because she, what a surprise.

Right. So we have everybody, you know, on, on on message point. We're rolling. So everybody's on message. So one of the people this message is none other than one of the Boulais. Members, Mr. Roland Martin. We've talked about him before on the show. He's uh, what's his background again? What is it because I see him all the time. What is the deal with Roland Martin? What is he what they're saying? He's a card carrying member of the Boulais he's even got that phony as Kravets. You know, it doesn't

wear tie. I've got to wear this silk thing in my shirt. Yeah. What's it called? Ascot basket? Yes, I called Kravets. But yes and ask him exactly, exactly. But yeah, he. That guy's hilarious. So oh, he's also he was on the Tom Joyner show for years. Yes, he was. Yeah. Okay. I got you. I said he was a card carrying member. You're right. Remember? So he's confused about this whole situation. And you can hear it and controversy one. Please explain to me Lauren, how in the hell? Gayle King verse.

Snoop is a 21st century of the East east coast, west coast. Rap. It's like Tupac and Biggie. I mean, this is this is and people on the west side, y'all I'm like, yo, shut up. I'm telling you, you know, y'all they gonna make because I'm just I don't it's just it's like it's it's just stupid. He's, he's confused. Like, I was going I don't know what's going on here. What's going on? mean, he's, he's feigning this surprises. He always, he always seems so sure of himself when he's on CNN or MSNBC.

Exactly. But now when you put between a Rock in a Hard Place of the he even said himself, people want me to choose going with going with with the man of the people? Are you going to go with your fellow Boulais? You hear how fluster he is. In the next clip, this woman is going to explain it to learn quite clearly what's going on.

I'll try to explain to you rolling. I think part of the issue here is that there's a longer history here that I think Snoop and 50 cent and a lot of these guys have been paying attention to longer than maybe any of us, which is that if you look at the reporting, specifically on CBS, and specifically by Gayle King, and Oprah, you see that they covered Bill Cosby and are Kelly, and Michael Jackson, and then

Russell Simmons, and then Justin Fairfax. And then Kobe Bryant, they covered them in a certain way that I don't think we saw coverage of with regard to frankly, with regard to white males accused of sexual assault. And we're in kind of this moment where allegations or conviction with sexual assault. So if somebody says something, the person's life has just blown up, whether you know the details of the story or not. And I think

that the CBS Morning Show can't be confused with 60 minutes. I mean, they don't really are not investigating on the same level as a frontline or 60 minutes show. So when he puts people on and the thing blows up, and that person's reputation is blown up.

That person is of course paying a huge price. And I think the fact that Gail, of course, is best friends with Oprah Winfrey, who unfortunately before she turned 15, she was raped when she was nine years old, and then 14, which is incredibly tragic. I think the fact that she has that connection with Oprah and when these things happen, they tend to get involved in it like, hey, who was the woman speaking again? I like her. I like her. I want to add it to my playlist. Was she not? We'll figure it

out. We'll figure it out. Once we figured it out. She's talking some sense. What she has all figured out but Robin, I don't know. Robin posed to be a man of the people. You he didn't spot this trend. Oprah Another one was the the Lieutenant Governor of Virginia, the guy that got another another pass Yeah, you know, so he doesn't he didn't get it, but she laid it out quite clearly and she's gonna continuing on clip three.

I remember when the Michael Jackson documentary came up was surviving leaving Neverland. Yeah, they did like a week on that they had the Jackson family and then they had the guy that did the documentary and they had, you know, they had like step after step detail after detail did the same thing with our Kelly. They had our Kelly's accusers, and then they had

another accuser. It was like, the level of attention and reporting that went into that is not the same that we saw on a lot of these stories involving white males who have been accused, I think when people but right when people make that Harvey Weinstein and many more, I'm gonna make that point and making a really good point. And when you have these positions in journalism that are so important, and so rare for African Americans that Gayle King has, she has to be thinking

about how the community is represented. I know that's an extra burden on black journalists that perhaps shouldn't be there. But she's got to be thinking about how she uses her stage. And frankly, I think the most underrepresented the most underrepresented group on TV to me is black men. We have a lot of black women out there a lot more than we did be fine with all of that. Yeah.

Shut up. Now, he has all the answers where she started saying that black men are underrepresented in the media, and that mindset that Snoop Dogg and 50 cent and those guys came with now he's I got it. I got it. I thought you were confused right? So now you got all the ads now he was like shut up. You got it. I got you saying too much. But let's let them wrap up with a clip for

it's gone crazy. It's gone crazy because I've seen effective that Snoop pass even though I didn't agree with what he how he you know what he called Gail. But the respect perspective that 50 cent Snoop has is not represented on TV. I mean, I'm not expecting I'm not. I'm not expecting a major news outlet to have to go to a bar and pick a guy. But we see the PhDs and we see the you know, club bourgeois in there all the time, the overeducated, top 10%, we don't see the average black male on TV

represented very much their views. So Gotcha. But here's also heat. But let me let me caution all these brothers out here who want to get high and mighty. Their treatment of black women may also become under the microscope by Well, it has to be a microscope is with Galen doper around it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, what I'm saying is that if this thing is going to escalate into black men versus black women, you try and

take somebody down. I'm simply saying, I think some people have gotten to the point that they're so irrational in their response that is gotten way overheated at the end of the day. I'm like, Y'all, seriously? The minute she mentioned like the B word. She didn't use Boulais but it was clear what she was talking about. That's when Roland Martin's like Okay, gotta shut this down. Now listen, today. I can't talk about no more. You went you saw me at the meeting? What do you see?

And to go back to last show, you asked me about the State of the Union and Trump and how I took it and I use his term real black people right? And you were like hot like real black people. And I was like no not the super intellect or you know I kind of laid it out like it we can't Can we just hear her say that again? Like the first 30 seconds? I cuz you brought it up I want us to really hear what she said. What this clip the one we just played. Yes, please. Okay, second of course we can do that.

It's gone crazy and obviously it's gone crazy because I think effective that new pas even though I didn't agree with what he how he you know what he called Gail, but the respect perspective that 50 cents new

pas is not represented on TV. I mean, I'm not expecting I'm not I'm not expecting a major news outlet to have to go to a bar and pick a guy but we see the PhDs and we see the you know club bourgeois in there all the time the overeducated, the top 10% who keep saying great point great point Who's Who's that like another guy? He's like from Is he from the food? Jeez, is

that the fruit cheese guy? Yeah. Yeah, okay, so yeah, her point is well made I understand it like she's saying like a not not the typical representation but I don't know like mo maybe. Yeah, exactly. Mo we see it when we were not you know, we're not when you go to Ivy League schools or whatnot but we we see what's going on I mean it take a you know, a pic I need to figure out that Gail and Oprah have something for black men. And in a previous clip that clip three she mentioned that both of them

were victims of sexual assault. And you asked the question. Well, I mean, I kind of glossed over by saying it's male hate when I mean, maybe their hate comes from a justified place of you know, this demographic that hurt me. So now I have to go out you know, in be proactive in that's possible it's possible for sure that and that's unresolved issues but understandable to a degree but it should not matter if I mean, it shouldn't matter what we what if black or white and they get

the let the white guys slide, I die. See the problem. Of course, I I never recognized this pattern. With Oprah. I just saw the individual pieces. As I said, the Michael Jackson part bothered me a lot. Because she was such a proponent. And then based on this flimsy documentary, she's switched it up as as the woman said here, you know, a week long have interviews and everything. And the same with our Kelly. But nothing for the it's inconsistent and clearly racially based in that case, somehow.

And who, who's gonna call her out? Because what we heard in the TMZ, Monique clip, it was like, You can't call her Oprah. You know, Snoop is probably uniquely qualified to do that. Yeah, but even Snoop was Yeah, well, we'll get there. So another, another person wanted a super smart elite that were put out to like, kind of put the fire out was one of your favorites, Mr. Michael, Eric Dyson, oh, no, not this guy.

You're gonna have legitimate critiques of Oprah Winfrey and Gayle King, you can legitimately ask them, What about their viewpoints about Harvey Weinstein? And Al Franken, and Charlie Rose versus a Kobe Bryant, right? That's a legitimate critique. What is not legitimate is to in a vicious sense of assault them this canceled culture has to be ended has to itself be canceled? Well, that's interesting. So he says, here's, here's what you could do, but let's not do it.

Yeah, and then the council culture, that's, that's, they've made their, you know, whole second part of their career, about canceled culture, calling this person now going out to advertise exactly what they're doing. And it's exactly what's going on here. But it's the canceled culture that needs to be cancelled. And I want to say something else. Michael, Eric Dyson has made most of his, you know, career about writing about rappers. I think he has a book on Jay Z, one on Tupac and a few others.

Now, you're bothered by misogyny. Now you're bothered by foul language? I don't understand. So it's just that, like I said, the Boulais have been exposed. They don't have the power they used to they don't have the power to manipulate through the media, because there's other outlets like this show here and other podcasts, YouTube, YouTubers, vloggers, whatever. I mean, fill in the blank, that are pointing out that the counter narrative is like, no, that's not how it

went. This is. This is how it goes. Well, believe it or not, people are getting their information in their cultural fix from places other than the arena that these people play in. Yes. Especially with cord cutters. I mean, that's that's one of the big things because you don't have to broadcast network. No, it's not none of our girls have cable. None of them. They come over here to watch the Academy Awards. There's no cable. They don't care. It's not interesting.

Sesame you're tailoring your information do to what you're interested in. And your timeline. Yep. So CBS is not going to save you if you noticed. Even opera said the interview was out there. You know, it was only when it became a clip. Yes. And the clip started floating around that people really got upset. Nobody watches their eggs. That's my point here, right? Because the television interview no one will give a crap oh, wait a minute. Is there

something on YouTube? That's a clip there's a clip. That's when people saw it. That's a very good example. In fact, that's probably the one of the biggest learning moments from this. So even Mr. Snoop Dogg, I mean, we heard Lamont King say who

could they call? Oh, well, obviously they got on the phone and they got a heavy hitter touch Domino's Snoop, the problem with that is, is that when you want to play gangster The problem is is when the natural gangster comes in the room you can roar as loud as you want Roar, roar scary to friends. The problem is when an actual line comes in the room is like yo, one of these things is not like the other his. Your claws don't look like his claws. And that's exactly what happened

because apparently I had no idea. Gayle King rose deep. Gayle King, Rose deep, because Susan Rice. Yes, yes. Susan Rice. You heard me correct. Yes. That Susan Rice, former national security adviser to the Obama administration. Yes. Susan Rice hits up to dog a tweet at him talking about yo, that was mad disrespectful. You need to back off, because Gail apparently has an army behind her. And if you want to you want to play this game. You're going to lose and it won't be pretty. Wow.

So did you see here are her actual tweet? No. Okay, so Susan Rice, her actual tweet, I'm gonna read you word for word. She says this is despicable. Gayle King is one of the most principled fair and top journalists alive, slew back the eff off. And she spelled it out where she put for actress there. They say you come for Gayle King, you come against an army. You will lose and it won't be pretty. That's the Blue Lace and showing their teeth.

You come against the army. I mean, like, that's how more of a threat than what Snoop said to Gale. Army. Yeah, yeah, you will lose and it won't be pretty. You see wanna say and that's what Lamont King was saying. Who can we get on the phone? It got to be somebody senior there. Well, that was the one that certainly that's a good one. And the other thing is, is who she who is she speaking for? I mean, we know her connections. But well, I mean, that's that's,

yeah. The Boulais has reared his head. And that goes to show you that when you have to show that kind of power, you really don't have power. Not if you have to do it that way. No, I agree. Unless you're Toronto, but then you do it in a funny way. Yeah. And then what Snoop got the message because he came out with like, I'm nonviolent. They would apologize without apologize. He was I'm not. I didn't mean wait a minute. Wait a minute. He backpedaled Yeah, and here's the clip.

Is Big Snoop Dogg. Here's a message for people that need to know. I'm a non violent person. When I said what I said, I spoke for the people felt like Gail was very disrespectful towards Kobe Bryant and his family. Now with that being said, what I look like when some harm to come to a 70 year old woman I was raised way better than that. I don't want no harm to come to her and didn't threaten her. All I did was said, check it out.

You out of pocket for what you're doing. And we watching you have a little bit more respect for Vanessa, our babies and Kobe Bryant's legs. Yeah, but anyway, I'm gonna do what I gotta keep doing. Y'all keep doing what you're doing. We're very non violent. We just want to say that first and foremost. We speak from the heart. Some of you who have no heart, don't understand that. But anyway, carry on. And enjoy your day. That's it. That's it.

Oh, man. All right. Well, yeah. He accentuated that. He's nonviolent. Got it. And the funny thing is, I never took when I heard his clip, I never took it. I took it as being very disrespectful. Maybe justify, but very disrespectful. But I never take advice by or threatened. Well, you're right. And and I think it was probably good that he that he said that because you know, Oprah is the one who immediately went well, it's not. You know, it's other people. They hear

that and they go crazy in a deathmatch. RERA. So he, he did the I think the right thing to defuse wherever, whatever he could, but it's fucking twittered, say Instagram. Ah, it's such a breeding ground. But the bigger story is it is the good and the bad, because without it, the Boulais was still held. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So you have to take the good with the bad. It's like, in fact, I think Snoop has the upper hand on this because it's his

platform people, people. Instagram is his platform. And they don't play. They don't play on that field. They just don't play. They haven't mastered it yet. And I don't think I think they really let the ball get away from Yeah, with the internet and social media. Because they never saw. It'll take them forever to be able to get plants. And have you heard that term before? Plants? Right? Sure. I'm sure I mean, but like current traders,

yeah. With what is often used with in the music industry now, where people are really on the record label, but they make them seem like indie artists, and then they grow moment and bring them out. And they're like, oh, yeah, that's a no. Well, that's that's what the music that's what the music business does. And by the way, I think, Billy Eilish is is a very good example of that. You know, that brother of hers that someone's a genius, I think it's him, but he's not her.

Right? So I don't think the Boulais has got their legs up on the new crate plants that will have the the, because you can't fool the people. You can't fool people. This is a different medium. You can fool people on television. I built my career in fooling people. It's all dishonest. And the television is inherently dishonest. And Instagram is a whole new ballgame. It's it's not something you can just transition say, oh, because I got a great camera. It's

different. None. It's a whole different way of communicating. So they can't they don't understand. Not yet. And let's just pray that we take them out before. I'm a non violent person. I'm a non violent person. I say take them out. No, no, I'm starting to. I'm starting to question who's the plant here? No, that's a take them out. They never let Oh, you know, most trying to incite violence. Yeah, no, we can't have that. No, we can't have that. Yeah. No. But when I mean,

take them out, is take them out of power. Yeah. Because they what they're trying to do. And listen to the final clip. Mr. Gary Owens. He's a comedian, white comedian, but he plays a majority of black crowds or mixed crowds. That's how he came, you know, came up in the game. He was the quote unquote, white comedian in the black clubs. But he made a point. It was not funny. But he highlighted a point and I was like, wow, I mean, like, the way he said it was spot on

you. Hey, has anybody else noticed? This past week and a half? What's going on in the world is shifting energy. I felt it between lemon and Taysom. Since Kobe passed away between Ari Shaffir and Gayle King, I just want people to realize what can happen when black people really come together? Because black he was like, Look, you ain't talking about Kobe, you in talking about our hero. Kobe is a worldwide hero, Italian, China. White, Black, Latino, definitely hero, but it's extra.

Because he's a black guy. So Black feels like you ain't you ain't talking about our black hero. I just want people to realize how powerful I will and this come from white dude. How powerful black people are when they come together? Yes. Particularly in political circumstances. Mm hmm. So you gotta gotta talk about oh, he's a great dad and you got women talk. One of the good things came out in the girl dad, I know we kind of poopoo that. But a lot of women of all color

we were started saying oh, how important dads were Yes. And they were like, No, we can't have that. You know? This guy's being a lightning rod for Dad appreciation and, and I honestly believe the whole Gale thing was a counter move to the girl dad thing because they tried to co op it. But it had it had a whole nother effect, even with another fact that the Oh, because it was resurging. You mean so because it became so I see what you're saying. Even though this is a long gone

thing. It was super popular at the time. And so this would be a rekindling. And well we can't have that we get a black man a good father but two women. And then black women coming out saying about how their dads were good to them. No, no. Oh, thanks. guard, this is not possible we can have that. Black man Pat black man bed, this is what it is. And holy crap. I'm a little out of breath from this one. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing. But

no, it is a good thing. And well, first of all, it's a great thing because I know that my wife is going to listen to this front to back because she's like, Oh, I know, she'll know she'll love this. And the big eye opener for me as always, because it's obviously not on my radar. Is this targeting this specific targeting by Oprah and Gayle for years of black men for horrible crimes and the and that's one thing or accusations, letting White men off and they're all powerful. You know,

Kobe Bryant is near the NBA, it's there's power in there. But look at who they're letting off and forth. And for what magnitude or amplification of the types of things they're accusing others of. Wow. Well, that's fucked up. It everyone wants to love Oprah. Mo, thanks. It's, it's over. Now. I don't write the news. I just record it. So what what we didn't really discuss is that we were going to

do a potluck special for this 2015 episode. But of course, this came up and I'm very glad that we did a pivot here to do this. Because I think again, this is something that is fantastic for people to hear and to learn about. And I know they'll take it seriously when when Moe does this and we roll it out like that, you know, it's not just going to be a dumb show business story. So it's, it's appreciated. Which means we will be thanking people probably in the next episode, as I guess

we'll have the potluck unless something else crops up. I mean, whatever if at all right? for it, but this was positive in a potluck segment. But the story can't understand, and it was like, I can't You can't just do it in 10 minutes now I understand. So um, well, we went to a whole show and not thought people would appreciate it and yeah, so what I always do pay attention to everything and the truth revealed itself and please feel free to go to moe facts.com or mo fund me.com to support the

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