21: You're the Father

mo fax with Adam curry for January 13 2020 This is episode number 21 And hello mr. Moe. How you doing sir? I am good mo it's very sad day of course for this show as as we mourn the suspension of Cory Booker's campaign he was our last hope. Happy trails to you, Cory. The news is kind of going crazy to like what there's a there's only white guys up on stage that includes Elizabeth Warren as a white guy. I heard I heard that too. Like, just going nuts over it. Anyway. Today, I don't know where I

mean, you always surprise me with with your topics. And compliments again for the last show, man that was that was a lot of fun. I love seeing people on no agenda social.com or on Twitter where they're like, Wow, holy crap. I learned something that kind of changed my perspective. That's fantastic. I'm sure you see this too. Yeah. And the last clip threw everybody for a loop. So I mean, I took great joy, Matt. Oh, if you didn't get to the to the end, you miss something? Because

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the family. Yes. friend of the family. Okay. I like it. All right. Friends and a family friend to the family. Excellent. So what are we doing? Mo what? What's on deck? Show top Eisah? Ah, yes. The patriarchy. Okay. The patriarchy. I've always wondered. So we're doing a show tonight. She got it twice. It's a show about me basically, am I not a part of the problem? Am I not in the patriarchy? Well, I'll think it's more of me being the problem. Maybe your

influence on me. Okay, all right. Not personally, but just what we what we've seen here is we talked about this before, and 2020 that politically, we're going to see a wedge driven between black men and black women, yes. With black women supposedly needing to take charge and show their black men the error of their ways. Yes, the powers that be want to isolate black women into their

own demographic. And so I've been seeing little jabs, verbal bombs cherry bomb has been lobbed over, you know, but this one really caught me and I was like, Okay, it's official. I'm our black man capable of maintaining a law relationship. Oh, I don't speak for the black community. But I do think that a lot of black men, they really don't know how to have true faithful relationships. They think because they have money, because they have power that they can treat women any kind of

way. Loni Love is saying and that is something we need to work on. We are still dealing with the point of slavery, and we are descendants of slavery. And because our families were broken up, we still do not have idea of what how to have together families because our families are broken up. Wow. Okay, a lot of things in there. First of all, this is the real, isn't it? The talk show? Yes. The real Loni Love. Yes, it was Lonnie. I don't know her. She's a black lady, the heavyset black lady.

I know who she is. Yeah. All right. Got it. Right. And before this clip of maybe a month or two ago, she let it be known that she's interracially dating older white men and I've noticed since Then she's been throwing little, you know, little baby jabs at black men, but she just really came out and say a whole group of people, a whole group of people or not, it was completely racist, bigoted. And if, if this would have happened, and she came back and

gave apology, then this really wouldn't be a show. For her network. Yeah, not to come out and make her apologize to a whole demographic of people. Yeah, that let me know that this is sanction. Not maybe influenced or make a tow to say this, but it's like, okay, yeah, we can let that ride. Did you see any pushback on Twitter or any other social media about about what you said, because I didn't see anything.

Because this set, this set the black manosphere, which is a thing, I saw black YouTube, it's more like the kind of like the MiG towel. Ish. I don't want to put that label on there men going their own way. Yeah, men going their own way. Black men, black people that are black positive towards black males. I'm hearing a branding opportunity here. Because we need to be able to name this. I understand what you're saying. But there's no name for it yet.

When there actually is a couple of people who have coined the term. I call it the black manosphere. But it set it on fire. Oh, oh. Okay. She said that. She's interracial dating. And she kind of made the excuse of why? Well, she did something kind of nasty. She, she kind of said, well, you know, this is all historical. And it's no man about the house is I guess what she referred to? What? No, wait a minute. She went all the way back to slavery, right is bullcrap. Right? Which is bullcrap.

Because on this show, we've discussed the town right after slavery, black people had a high level of two parent households marriage. That's right. And it declined in the 1940s 50s 60s. To where is the state is now. So that was bush. She was even incorrect in her analysis of why it was. But my thing is for her to be able to say that on a national television show, and nobody made her apologize or walk it back or anything that lets you know that it's open season on black men and black patriarchy.

Not to belabor it. What's the name of her? Her her older boyfriend? I have no idea. Because he's not he's not he's like he's not known. And that's the other thing is like you didn't you? Okay, I'm looking. Well, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm naturally curious. Okay, his name is James Welsh. All right. Okay, boring guy. All right, let's onward. Okay, so onward. She's not the first person as I stated before,

that has said, derogatory comments about men. And sometimes when people say men, they only mean a specific group of men. We had a singer named Kay Michelle. This I did a show on my, on my YouTube channel, where she says, quote, I don't think men are good people. So they pressed her on this topic on this radio show. Notice the radio black radio where she's propagating this, this mindset, and she said, Oh, no, I'm a good person. I know as my dad. That's it. So after that, I took this

next clip. I took went back and listen to see if I need to clip that part. But it wasn't really I just expressed to you what she said. But I felt this little nugget that I found interesting nowadays, that's not the man that I see. They don't have any of it no heart like that. Like I went to J J's yesterday. I wanted to go to Campbellton and I say like hey, you finna get it. Yes, I am. And I went back there with the dudes in the back and young do X me? He said Who What were your security? Where

you when I said Well, sir, how old are you? I said why are you asking me for just security? You're supposed to secure me you're a black man. Yeah, like why gotta be scared around you're you're supposed to protect babies and men speak at ease man I'm protecting nobody think that is because they mom was embrace. And I And they, they see is what they seen. If you don't know you don't know. They haven't even seen better, you know, for them to know how to do better.

All right. Here's what I heard. I heard a number of things. The one that was, I think would be quite offensive is their mama didn't raise him. Did I nail it? Yeah, that you don't. By the way, you don't say that to a black mother. I don't care if it's true or not, unless you want to get that shoe by Eddie Murphy. So here's what she made a valid point. Who raised him, right? Who raised these young men, their mothers for the majority?

Not fathers. Yep. And this is the, this is really the point I want to make in this show and highlight in the show, and we're not going to be attacking anybody because not what we're I really do. highlight how things are, how they got that way. And who was behind it? That's kind of like what we do on the show. Oh, yeah. So for her to say, why did she say the father's? Because that was where you would think a man would get his male traits to protect them, you know, masculine need to be

protected for women and children and things of that nature. You would say, oh, man, your father didn't teach you anything? Well, I, I presume she's making a generalization that black men grow up without their fathers. Exactly. And that's the root of the problem. That is the root of the problem. How can you learn something for somebody that they're not there to teach you now, we're gonna get into why we spoke about why have no man in the house, and it just became

now it's cultural. It's cultural. But there was a there was a period. I mean, some things that happened in between them no man house period. And now that we're really going to deep dive in, because I know people like oh, we kind of covered this topic before. Yes, we did. But there's one segment of time that we didn't really get into. But you're probably wondering, why is this a big issue? Why where did this really

crop up at? So I was looking through some old clips I had, and I found this interesting one from MSNBC and Donny Deutsch. Oh, this guy. That guy. Yeah. Okay. Donny Deutsch, former advertising executive. Here we go. Donald Trump was the aggressor was taking it to her. What he lost the debate and let me tell you why. It's very simple. Okay. This is no longer about politics. This is gender war. Okay. This is I've spent 1000s of hours with with in

women focus groups. And the Friday Thau to do sneaky. Really nice. Friday thing of, we don't have to reboot of grabbing women. Every woman in America was listening, you would dismiss it was lensing that from last night as he was lurking behind, as Nicole Wallace said, I would have call 911 As he was telling me, he's going to jail, her women in America are going to stand up and revolt. It's always been about the women, and there

will be more to come. And the words didn't mean anything. What when every woman in America who has ever been held down, oppressed, harassed, there is something in them, there's a nerve that hits that so transcends everything else. And if you're not seeing that, you're missing them. By the way, it's not the point that men objectify women will not. It's what they heard and saw. Okay, where did How do you interpret this? This is a gender war. Well, of course.

Rice, how about World War Three? Iran, no, World War Three is the gender war. And it's the end it got hot 2016 or leading up into 2016 the election, that's when it went hot, it was cold. But now, this is where we're at. And I noticed a stretch you like, come on Mo, but for a certain group of women to come out on

television and target a whole demographic. Repeatedly, woman after a woman I could I could attend to these clips of celebrities quote unquote celebrities saying sideway things towards black men. Yeah, it's interesting. You brought Donny Deutsch in because what he I think specifically in what you know, the Morning Joe show that he's on what they they really are, or they believe, and I think that correct. They are speaking to white suburban moms.

So it is a gender war, but it's, it's right now you've got an old white dude, saying this, but what I'm hearing here in your clip from the real is now we have black women basically trying to split off black women from black men. Yes, because they don't want that mindset of asking for a tangible wheels. Which tangibles is a logical thing? You give me something for something return? No, they want the emotional

play. So they need us out of the way. So they can run their emotional script like they've been doing for ages, because it doesn't work on this anymore. For the most part, I mean, take that back. It doesn't work on a sizable portion of the black male community doesn't work anymore. And it's funny that you said that. This is great. Why you said that. You said that. MSNBC morning, Joe targets white suburban women. That's right. Well, it was something I couldn't clip because it was

visual. So you have mica, key mouse to a black female pundit when it was on this panel? Oh, that thing you said about white women is like it was really an honorable, so you couldn't really? Can't you read lips and see what she's saying? She said, Thank you, the thing you said about white women and you're

like, not it and then the black female pundit dove right in. And it was like, Yeah, white women frolic can see about being victimized about Donald Trump when him saying grandpa, the you know what, now they can see the pain, you know, and then Myka give us a Okay, sound like great. That's great. Okay, so now, I'll post it on my Twitter. So people can see that clip. But it was just amazing. Like, right on cue. She sent you're saying,

like, get him. And that's where we're at right now. Get them right. But but at this point, we are talking about talking heads and pundits on television who may have a have a different who have an agenda and have a program they're running through. I don't know if this is I doubt this is universal outside of television, land and politics land. Or is it we're going to investigate the influence of television? Good. Well, how it shrinks. Down sucks everybody up. Yes, exactly.

But Loni Love, she's not a political pundit. I mean, she does daytime television, which I think daytime television is some of the most powerful propaganda. Sometimes, I mean, I'm off on weekdays, I used to be off weekdays, and I would just sit down and watch it. I'm like, holy crap. I mean, this is a straight up. Oh, well, you know, I'm I'm a view watcher. So yeah, right. Oh, totally. It's all it's a massive propaganda and shaming group thing, shaming, Kancil culture. Oh, yeah. It's all there.

Absolutely. So I just took that away. So we can't just poopoo what Lonnie says, and I can say this stuff. What got me was, you know, most of the time the net were like, well, you need to go clean that out, you know, and that just goes to show you what I think about black men. We're not a demographic or any other group you can say. Yeah, Lumberjacks? No, say I can't maintain a relationship and you know, the lumberjack contingency would come out. Say you need to back off the lumberjacks and

you'd have a spokes spokes hole. At least you'd have someone to write a union. Ronnie Yeah. Exactly. Right. All right. So what are your favorite guys? Jason Whitlock? Oh, yeah. I love this guy. He said from Fox News, Fox Sports. One Fs one. Yeah. Yes. But I found him doing an interview on a podcast called scone TV unscripted. Now, we know that on podcast people always get loose. And I think Whitlock is he talks really straight on mainstream

TV. So I can't wait to hear what he's got to say here. I am a fan of this guy. Is the honest truth about how to set loose. Whitlock one patriarchy, believe in family. But believe in the patriarchy where and again, I don't talk. I am the patriarchy. I tell people up front. You know it. I pay a price for that with these woke women out here now. But I believe men and women have unique responsibilities. And I'm willing to live up to my as a

man. I don't and again, unique responsibilities, not unequal responsibilities, unique responsibilities. All the responsibilities that apply to a man I'm willing to take on. Okay, fair enough. So I think that was a clear statement of where if you had to say where the black patriarchy was, we all know what our responsibility is. And we will listen to the guys that that live up to that standard. And what does that mean what I gotta call you mo what does that

mean? What is what is the standard? What is it What is that? Living, he said, It's protecting women protecting children, being a provider, being responsible for your actions, using logic over emotion. It's a very visionary, very traditional approach to a real area. Bear Baer and Mrs. This was the bedrock of the black community, before you had the second wave, feminism come in, and it kind of

drove a wedge there. Now, and now we're seeing the results, a third wave, and we're seeing the destruction of the black family structure. And this is where we're at. And it's like, now with the information age, where people can pinpoint where we went wrong. People can go back, read literature, watch videos, see stuff, how things really went down, and it can pinpoint it. It's like, oh, we're not going to recreate the or redo

those mistakes. We want to fix it. So you have a lot of guys a sizable number of guys that want to be fathers in their homes. They want to be providers to their wives, you know, what? To get what we respect and return. That's where the rub is. And I want to lead off with that clip. But here's because men and women are equal. They're not the same, but they are equal. And we have unique roles of all

men, you know, that's so unwelcome view. I mean, that's, I'm just saying there's so there's an additional dynamic to this is what you see as it traditional, or the roles and the relationship, which I'm not disagreeing with. is So traditional that it's actually not woke. And I think there's a brain fry going on with some people. When you want Yes, yeah. This is the new woke. And the reason why I say what I think well is used to mean counterculture, counter culture. And patriarchy in the black

community is the new counterculture. Masculinity is the new counterculture. Not toxic, not toxic in the form of masculinity of bravado and being overly gangster or whatever. No, but the show that literally patriarchal, funny enough, that that's exactly what we requested patriarchy Oh, no, this is this is the brain fry. Yeah. But let's get here's some more Jason, Jason Whitlock, our black family, all kinds of decisions are being made all kinds of new cultural

norms are being established. Hmm, that perhaps you don't agree with and, but you're running around chasing after Trump, and don't even care that all your cultural norms are being reshaped. And, again, we have created particularly, is throughout American society, but it's most acute in our society. We have been convinced as black men and women that we don't need each other. That's the most toxic poisonous dangerous creation we can have.

We're on the precipice of self destruction if that takes root. Wow. Yeah, so anyway, here's the thing. However, other people want to live their lives. It doesn't bother me. I've voiced my opinion on it should be a parent in the home and apparently that works. I think that's the best situation now that's not ideal for everybody because of financial reasons. I'm not saying one gender is obligated to stay at home and one genders not. But I think traditionally one parent should

be able to stay at home. And just to point that out, um, what we should be fighting for instead of the gauge was the wage gap. We shouldn't be fighting for a wage where families can live off one income Yeah, no kidding. If we all got on the same page, but the power structure doesn't want that. That's why I said this is world war three and it's being fought in the kitchens and living rooms and bedrooms inside the homes.

When you say the power structure doesn't want that. I had what what don't that what for what reason does the power structure not want that All right, here's my theory. It just my theory. Okay, after World War Two, and we heard some of this on the show, black man came back from World War Two wanting to have a piece of American Pie, right? Because it was to be had I mean, we had the

spoils of war going into the 1950s. That was like the ideal American time, minus the right stuff minus the right stuff, just American life, when you watch American television, you know, you had two cars and the white picket fence and the two and a half kids, you know, everything, which is perfect, right? What did that lead to the 1960s, where you had the generation of free thinkers? And they said, No, we can't have

that anymore. We need to keep everybody so stressed, financially and otherwise, that they can't produce free thinkers. Is that crazy? No, no, I did not at all. Not at all. So I think that was the problem, like and they looked in the 60s like, Oh, this is what prosperity breeds. But you know, what's your free thinkers? Training Camp, but it's pretty short sighted this current strategy, but I guess they're certainly in power and politics. Everything is

short sighted. It's a short cycle. And yeah, I mean, because they're gonna prop anyway. And I mean, they just, they're too big to lose. I mean, not you not to use a cliche, but they really are too big to lose. So I mean, it's not about profits, then it's about control, right? Yes, no, yeah. And desperate, desperate men, desperate times Desperate Measures, and all in full in chop away. And speaking of control, wanted to control mechanisms is well, Jason speaks on that and Whitlock to

again, you got to social media is not the real world. In my view, that is a world controlled by Silicon Valley, and how white liberals and other liberal activists, how they want us to be perceived, is what social media is particularly Twitter, and the whole Black Twitter phenomenon that they created. That perception that there's a Black Twitter, and that Black Twitter has a monolithic liberal voice. That's a creative thing.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm in I'm in great Twitter. And I see that I see a lot of interesting conversations, certainly not a lot of agreement. That's I don't see one big block, but that is what it can be perceived as and shaped as and called for sure. And this is the council culture. This is the control mechanism that we were speaking about how you can basically control people's thoughts. Yeah, in a way, it's like, when it doesn't fly on Twitter, you'll start to self censor, it's like, oh,

that's, that's not trending, or this is trending. Oh, this is trending. Now I need to recap exactly, even better than that is. And this is just my view of what I call the machine. But you know, if you can get and you just as you said, you try this No, didn't work. Get this, oh, I got something going global. He, I'm trending now. And then how can I get it to spill over onto cable television? That happens, you know, then it's great, because then the whole machine

goes, then the clips are put on Twitter. And then it's just a perpetual motion, just a cycle that goes over and over again, and can get really strong like a cyclone. And we've seen this because Miss Loni Love statement. You can go on Twitter and find this statement anywhere. It's just that it's become so comfortable on social media. Now it's being said for public consumption across the airwaves. Right. But my biggest thing was the lack of apology, then that means in the

place where illegal gets called for everything. Right? had to say about this. Yeah, and I don't think you're obviously I don't think you're like personally outraged and offended, but you're looking at the facts of it. No apology requested. Okay, this is messaging. My point exactly. My feelings weren't hurt at all. I mean, like, they can keep mommy whoever, whatever. But dude, I think I think it's punishment enough. You got to watch the real. I mean, that's pretty harsh.

Yeah, yeah. That's hard. Oh, but it's not only on social media that the powers that be they were as we refer to them, um, lovely. They want to control other forms of entertainment. And that's lit Whitlock 3.1. He's already said something about masculinity a few times. You referenced it right now. The NFL is a very masculine sport, is it not?

Without question? It's the most men esculin thing in pop culture, and it's the most powerful thing in pop culture are this sort of sort of effort underway to email escalate NFL players, black NFL players, they love black, the NFL, is the largest showcase of black masculinity we've ever seen in America. It's the most popular show on Fox, ESPN, ABC, NBC and CBS. That's five television networks that the NFL is the number one show on that's unprecedented in pop culture that's unprecedented in

television history. And so and it's a showcase of black male masculinity. And I just don't think some people are comfortable with that. Oh, I know a couple things. But man, if they start to mess with most football, man now and it gets a it is gonna get personal. They already have. And that's that was the thing with the Colin Kaepernick thing. Course it was about discordantly

Discordian ism. It was about okay, if we go push this agenda and then Western, as I've said before, we're always the first through the door, the race thing is always the first to the door. And then we're left holding the door for everyone. So if it's Colin Kaepernick thing flies, then we the doors open, you know, we can wedge everything else and attack the most masculine thing in American pop culture as Whitlock said, and it's the biggest television show go it's number one. Oh, tell it

TVs? Yeah. Number one on five stations Biden? No. By landslide you know, um, so that was that we're seeing it start to it's the beginning of the end. Well, I think that was the that was the flag was planning. It was like, No, you're not going to touch my NFL. Not because of some self righteous thing. I think men that's our only escape left is sports. Right? NFL being the biggest mental escape.

Because when you work a nine to 540 hours a week. Saturday's meant for the family, and Sunday's meant for my football. Now I'm just telling you the average American of course that's American as apple pie. I'm not out of touch mo I know give you just give you some perspective. Little inside baseball. I'm here we go. black churches. And our schedule around football. Oh, this is good. This is true inside baseball. And we're talking football. This is a good one. I like it. This is I did

not realize i Okay. All right. Black church really starts at 10 3011 o'clock right am but on Super Bowl Sunday. Well, no. 1245 you're looking at your watch. You're looking at the pastor. kickoff. And the pastor's looking back going. I know kickoffs at one. Right. Normally there's a cop. I mean, the people usually congregate outside and chat and y'all in no not not doing football season. It's like wow. Perspective. My dad used to drive a separate car to leave early

to leave on time now he will leave early. It's a good story. tell you how powerful Oh yeah, no, I get it. Oh, football is symbolic of war. I mean, it gets the juices going. And I want to remind people who are listening because you know you and I just shooting the shit with each other but there are people listening. Whenever most says inside baseball, pay attention. That's that's time to take it off. 1.5 times speed slow it down to one because you're gonna learn something. I

love this one good nugget. Mo. Yeah, so I mean, just that was hands off. And that's why you saw such a push back not only among white males, but black males. It's like, do you mess with my football? We went too far. Yep. Not boycott football. Are you crazy? I mean, that was a real sentiment. But I digress. And we'll let Jason continue on toxic masculinity. And I think if you look at our society as a whole, there's an attack on masculinity. They say there's an attack on toxic

masculinity. I say there's an attack just on masculinity and you Arrow and football in terms of pop culture is the head of the snake. And yeah, I think football is under attack for those political reasons wow what is the goal to be masculine? It's such a masculine sport. So we should we start playing flag football? Well, I think there's a group a part of society that has decided that men are the cause of all problems in the world. And let's

say that's true. But she also got to give men credit for the good things in the world if they get all the blame for everything where all the credit for everything that's good and so don't try to well the bad things are all on your own we got to the good things are on uh you know, I I'm a little torn because I thought it was just the white guys who were the problem and I you know, and I was kind of bearing the brunt of that and you know, now I got to share it

with you Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, well, this is not discussed. This is not discussed or well known. We're about to get into the what is the victim Olympics here? We've been dealing with this for so long it's just like it's not you're just seeing you right now. And our Stephen A Smith says something and it's not exactly correct. But it's catching the way he says he says when I'm when white people get a cold black people get the flu? I think that's how he says it. Oh,

and whenever you see your problem cropping up. Where the what is the thing I slips my called the lead the lead indicator? Yeah. canary in the coal mine? Yes, Black Pete black people in general. And black men in this case are the lead indicator. Pay attention what's going on here? i Oh, believe me I am. Even if I don't like football, I get it. I see the problem. I see it.

This, this is the lead indicator of well, okay, I'll let Jason Whitlock explain it new leadership, the world and there's an element of the world that wants to usher in a new leadership, female leadership across the world. It's the time for man has passed in their mind. And so again, if there's going to be an attack on any group, black people are going to be the first people to get back. And so I feel like I know why guys will disagree with this, because I hear him crying

all the time. They feel like they're under the hardest attack. And I'm like, Man, y'all don't even know. Really. So now I get attacked by my fellow man. Because I did exactly the same thing. All right. Well, you know what, thank you, MO. Thanks for bringing this because I was truly bigoted in thinking that yeah, this is just the white man who was hated. And now it turns out to get to share. Yeah. And,

and, and learn. Maybe there's a couple of tips, maybe there's a few things that you've already witnessed, experienced and learned that you can pass on. That's why we're doing this show. No, I know. And I'm just leading when I'm just saying what I'm what I'm saying. Is this, this, this specific show, that's why we're doing it because there is a war going on. You might not have been drafted yet. You might have

not on the front lines yet. But there is definitely. And I think, for older people, and whilst the older my age and older, we don't experience it as much because we went through the mating ritual. Yes. And a different time. No, I'm definitely, definitely removed from from this for sure. But the younger people, I'd say 30 and under, they are going through this and it's man, I would not want to be single now. And I know that sounds weird, because most people Oh, man, if

I could do it, oh, no. I don't. I would not want to have the date and Miss environment because it's the environment itself is toxic. It's not the masculinity. It's the interaction between the two sexes this toxic there's a lot going on for sure. Yes. But as we always do, we have to go back and say where did this come from? Yes. Oh, What was the source of it? So I

did a little digging. This is on Brooklyn TV, a television show called BK live, and it discusses black radical feminists over the years.

I mean, the women in this exhibition, many of them were part of organizations that were, you know, quote unquote, mainstream feminists, they were in dialogue, I don't at all want to create the impression that this was like a deep schism and there was no interaction because in fact, the model that I would use that Katherine and I, my co curator come up with is much more of a Venn diagrams, like some of these people appear in so many different places, they would maybe be involved with MS

magazine, which was founded by Gloria Steinem and Letty typography in a very kind of mainstream feminist publication. But you know, Faith Ringgold appears in that publication. Alice Walker was an editor Toni Morrison wrote many kinds of our iconic figures black woman feminists appeared in that publication. Hmm. Well, yes, I know it's coming. When you mentioned Gloria Steinem. I think we brought it up on the show before, haven't we? Yes, and it's this is these next to clip a throwback clips, but

we have to do it for perspective. And just to really well, as the lady said, on the last clip, Miss magazine has MS magazine, and employ a ton of black feminist in the era of the 1970s 1980s. And these women went into gone to be the pinnacle of black feminism. And it had a source which is Gloria Steinem. But Gloria Steinem had an interesting connection. GLORIA at the festival, you worked for the independent

research service. Club, exactly, when did your own association with the CIA start and in what

fashion they come to you or to do go to them? In 1958, when I came home from, from India, I discussed with student leaders past and present, many of them active with the National Student Association, this kind of small foundation to encourage Americans to go, they thought it was a good idea to I was then told by foundations and professors and friends, that it that I should not do this, that I would get in trouble with house on American Activities Committee, the American Legion,

all of those 50 people. And I became convinced that it was impossible. It was at that point that the student leaders said to me that they had in the past received funds for international programs from the CIA, and that they felt that this was important and could also be partly funded by the CIA. I know there's such a philanthropic organization, those CIA guys, we just feel it's good. Don't worry. It's good work.

So Gloria, she's obviously connected to the, the CIA, but I love how she when I came back from India, I was approached by the CIA, things that don't happen to most people. It's I came back from India. Right? And it's just that, but what you will have to what most people will believe and even I brought this up with my mother. And she didn't even know this. And disparate perspective. My

mom came up through the bra burning era. She actually participated in that mindset, which made me interested in dinner conversations between her and my father, which was, Oh, I'm sure he was not. Yeah, not super stoked about it. No, when I told her this, she was like, what I was like, Yeah, most she didn't know I'm saying like she didn't know about the CIA connection to the very little people know about this connection. Wow.

And she was shocked. Did she feel like she probably had been a bit manipulated once once you told her that? Yes. Yes, um, because these women that were listed in the previous clip, were icons for women her age, just like they're even icons for women. In present day, they still selling their books. They're still getting speaking engagements. Well, Jane Fonda still has an active career. She was a part of the of the gang back then. Exactly. So it's just that they created these icons, to

basically mislead are pushing the agenda. So let's just get into part two of this clip, particular points of view to put forward which would have been much much more restricting than then the CIA funds were which were free. I mean, no one was told what to say. I mean, they were free. You mean to say it was easier for you to win worked for the CIA that a private? That's right. That's right. And and the reason that I think that

comes as a surprise is it did to me at the time. I mean, I had the conventional liberals view of the CIA of right wing incendiary group. And I was amazed to discover, said this was far from the case that they were enlightened, liberal, nonpartisan, activists of the sort who characterized the Kennedy administration, for instance. Wow, I played that clip just to let people all people say, Oh, CIA, that's when you think CI you think American Dad, you know,

that prototype. But these were very liberal thinking people that was passing around funds do to propagate their ideologies. With that said, One name that wasn't mentioned in the rundown of the radical black feminist was Michele Wallace. Have you heard of Michele Wallace before? Yes, this name rings a bell. We talked about her before on the show. a smidge it a smidgen. But it's she's very important to this

narrative where we had yet okay. Michele Wallace. She is best known for her 1979 book, black macho and the myths of the super woman. Oh, yeah. Okay. And this is like one of the feminist Bibles for modern day third wave feminist. So it says here, I'm just going off the wiki here, it just says the macho black macho, was published in 1979. It criticized sexism in the black community and black nationalism

in the 1960s. Remember, we had a show about Black Nationalism when what Malcolm X was talking about, we need to be self sufficient. And all of a sudden, here comes this woman with this

book. Basically, tearing it down in a way she called it called demand hypermasculine hyper sexualized, in orange, really strong black women unfit that's what the Superwoman was, that wasn't in order in order only strong black woman unfazed by white racism, which is weird, because I don't want to get ahead of myself. Well, while you were talking, I'm listening. And I'm also looking through some of her career and I'm getting a much better picture of Miss Wallace here.

I think the reason why she is lost to history. She is really her her work is out there, but her herself is lost to history. And the reason why I say that is they have no problem with the black macho part. But the Superwoman part is actually a archetype now. Right? Beyonce? Yes, an orderly strong black woman unfazed by white racism. Right. Which, what brings to mind to me is scandal. Olivia Pope. Hmm? Oh, like say Beyonce, Oprah Michelle Obama. Yeah, I mean, there's lots of lots of super women.

Right? So I think they embrace the Superwoman part. So they didn't want to say the myth of the super warming. So I think that's like kind of got a slider to the side. And there were other reasons that we'll get into but, um, this is getting to the bio Miss Michelle Wallace. Oh, she became famous in 1979 when at 27, she published the book Black macho, and the myth of the super woman, a book in which she criticized black nationalism and sexism. She

completed her PhD in 1999 at NYU and cinema studies. Her topic for a dissertation was passing lynching and Jim Crow, US visual culture 1895 to 1927, in which she wrote extensively about early film, including Uncle Tom's Cabin, Birth of a Nation and the silent films of Oscar mushroom. She's written a ton of books, her own books, but also she's been the editor of

multiple values. She is a prep Professor currently at City College, New York and where she teaches every semester and this semester in the fall semester, she will be teaching a course on Toni Morrison. So that's her bio. And I know you guys like oh minute sound quality's horrible. Well, When I went to go deep with Miss Michelle Wallace, the only interview I could find her on YouTube was some lady in her kitchen, interviewing her on Skype or something. Yeah, I could hear the did Yeah. Yeah.

I know you were like, your audio file. So like, what the hell? But I mean that Well, that's it. So there's no she she's been marginalized. She's been whitewashed Dare I say I'm D White, all white ball. So, but that's weird. It's like the mother of this book that was so poor. And it was pivotal. Not not and I'll get it wrong. It was two books. We're going to discuss in that time period. This being the first one. She admits she made the cover Miss magazine. That was a it was a huge thing.

Yes, so do I. So she's, she's basically just, just not doesn't I mean, if you don't exist on YouTube, do you exist at all really? Is zactly if you don't have a body, I mean, because everybody has VHS tapes. They're uploading and yeah, I mean, listen to some of the things we put on the show that were captured in, you know, the most obscure places. And this is modern day. I mean, think that interview May was like two or three years old.

You're Skyping with me, she was also essence magazine's editor at large and 83. Uh, huh. columnist for The Village Voice in the mid 90s. I mean, this is this is a published, she's published. But even this stuff is like, oh, that's, I guess the, you know, and all because of the myths of the Superwoman part. Probably. That's what I assume. And there's other reasons that we'll get into. She's been really been canceled, like, for real? Yeah.

Buried, buried in buried by history. But let's get into her legacy. So what do you want your legacy to be? Because, you know, everything is changing, but the work and the significance of your work is not changing your work is still significant, if not more than it was 2025 30 years ago. So what would you like for your legacy to be? Well, I don't know. It saddens me somewhat that black macho, is still so deeply relevant for young black women. I mean, for a

long time, I was in denial about that. You know, what could you all possibly know about what this was like? But apparently, it's still going on? And that sends me. Have you had a chance to read the book? Manage No. Mo? Have you come across it? No, I haven't came. I'm actually going to order a copy. I'm thinking I want to read this. Yeah, I actually do, too. I do too. I mean, I've saw numerous videos of people discussing the book and the impact it would have had

on him, but I would like to read it for myself. No, I just gotta gotta find a time. I mean, just to be honest with you. But yeah, but at the same time. Oh, so she got lost in history. And I couldn't find anything else about her. I dug deep, deep now. I know eaten you do you research? No, no, there's no doubt about that. No doubt, no doubt.

Interesting. But while digging for her, and clips on her, I found this clip and just to say to people take this speaker with a grain of salt, but the content I have verified. In 1978, Gloria Steinem put a book called Black macho and the myth of the super woman on the cover of MS magazine. The book was written by a black feminist and activist named Michelle Wallace, who came out of nowhere. Wallace was in her early 20s At the time, as she was being touted as the leader

of black feminism. In the book Wallace called abolitionists like Harriet Tubman and Sojourner Truth, ugly and stupid for supporting Black men. She called Black revolutionaries chauvinist macho pigs and advise black women to go it alone. Gloria Steinem said that Wallace his book would define the future of black relationships, and she pushed hard to make sure the book received massive publicity. Gloria Steinem's work triggered a flood of hate black men books and films that continues to this

date. Needless to say, some are quite suspicious of MS magazine and Gloria Steinem. Why was Steinem sticking her nose into the affairs of the black community? So people started doing some research and stardom when it came out that Gloria Steinem was probably the ghost writer of the book with Michele Wallace. His name on it was had a nervous breakdown and went into hiding for two years.

Oh, well, you are keeping this from me nice. Let's be very hard when I asked these questions, you already know what's coming up next. Oh, this is great. I had no idea about this. My mom was a big Gloria Steinem fan. I mean, she now I got to what do I have 15 years on you? 10 I think she was icon for a lot of women. I mean, if you just take it at face value, as we take all the leaders, you know,

um, you could say the same thing for me. Okay, whoever else, we don't understand the powers that are behind them, that are propelling them on the TV screen being what training is now. So to be on an front page of a popular magazine, that's kind of like trending number one on Twitter now, oh, in a way, but also Ms. Magazine, a black feminist, and certainly in that

time, and it must have been phenomenal. And it's interesting, because everything that that I heard here would work perfectly in today's world, except for you know, the myth of the Superwoman, of course, but maybe they can do an abridged version of the book. Yeah. No myth. Yeah. Yes. Except it. It's like, yeah, no, you don't understand it. But I am this I am Superwoman. Yes. Yeah. So there we have it. Seems that she was backed by some nefarious agenda.

Well, worse. This is claiming that that she was a phony, even that this book was written indirectly by the CIA. And you wonder if you wrote a killer book, you should be able to at least maintain a career as a writer. I'm not saying you mean, lightning long strike. Once you know, it never strikes twice. But you should be able to at least maintain it how other works. They'd be writing some stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that would at least, you know, keep your momentum going. But she just disappeared.

Now. What would the benefit be? For the for the powers that be to do this? So if the CIA is supporting, is supporting this indirectly, or actually quite directly through Gloria Steinem, who may or may not have written it, but certainly promoted it? What is the agenda is the agenda again, just control. It's still controlling, we hang with me now. I'm here. Yeah, I'm no, no, no, I'm going to ask you a question. But I want you to think about it as in

then and now. Okay. Okay, we're gonna go a couple few shows back when Malcolm X was talking about black people were not voting. And because that was black nationalism, right, not voting and door for ourselves and having our own thing. And then she comes out with this book attacking black nationalism. Oh, if a white person says Black Nationalism is bad, that doesn't really do anything. You know, I mean, it's like, yeah, of course. It's bad. I mean, it's not it's not good for you.

Second point. Gloria Steinem. She says she was surprised by what made up the CIA, you would think it'd be the super conservative organization. But it was really a large group of liberal thinking people. Right, right. Right. Right. Right. Right. So if Malcolm X says the Liberals are the problem, gotcha. That you've been voting for. He's got to go. And his ideology has to go with them. Because you mean you can kill the man. But

the bigger thing is killing the ideology now. Now getting your time machine and come to 2020. All right, you can see while the black male patriarchy is under attack, again, because the black male patriarchy is loosely based in black nationalism in a way. And it's weird because you hear white nationalist, right. I was gonna say it's like, if I called you a black nationalist, that would make me a white nationalist. By default, you know, I'm saying, Yeah, it's

really funny. And we're equal. We're equal and then the same people. Yeah, except I could get stoned to death for saying it. Yeah, well, it's the same sentiment towards me. Of course, no court. No, of course. No, of course, global good national bad, but it's holy crap. You know, most of it actually is a government plot. We're not We're not. We're not conspiracy theorists. We're not just paranoid. They're actually out to get us. Yes. I'm here to warn you. Thank you. Thanks. Just in time.

All right, so um, where are we at? Okay, so for every polar that needs to be a polar opposite, thank you. And this in this same time, there was a lady named Shirzad i Li, and she wrote a book, a very pivotal book. Let me find the name of it. Very inflammatory book. Also, the black Man's Guide to Understanding the black woman. It was for this book, it was written in 1989. So that's, what 10 years later because as you heard the man, the speaker before say, Michele Wallace will

set off a bunch of blackmail hate writing. So national one. I remember her I know you do. Well, also I was working in New York and then we're where our studios were was Donahue and Sally, Jessy Raphael. Maybe that's not Donahue, I think is a good example. And who's the other? The one who married Connie Chung, Maury, Maury Povich. She made Yes, yeah. I recognize that the head gear, like oh, yeah, I remember her. very iconic. She got she got like a lightning bolt. Yeah, yes. I was like,

African Queen thing going on there. Yeah. Where she was hated. But let's listen to her. Geraldo, understandably created a firestorm of controversy within the black community. And we have assembled a distinguished group to debate its premise. And its message basically, that the black woman is responsible for most of what ails the black community. Now, before we get into what promises to be a passionate debate, I'd like to introduce you to Debbie

Mitchell, the CO producer of this program. Debbie, I want to start. I know it's unusual. But I want to start with two questions to you the producer of the program. First of all, what do you think about the basic premise of the book that the black woman is responsible for most of what ails the black community? First of all, black men and black women knows that the black community is under strange right now. And for Shahara Zod, a black woman

to basically attack Black women. I think that she's putting blame. It seems like she's putting blame on them for the state of the situation. Are you frightened by this book? I mean, are people reading it? Yeah, people are reading it is specifically the younger black males. I see a lot of them on the trains when I'm coming into where they're at their heads are glued to the book, and it's scary. It's scary airy. Okay, I didn't use much from that show for

Harada. Except that introduction. That was the introduction. That's how the show started off. Right. Even he said is unusual. So you bring a guest on you don't let detail what you think the book is about. And you don't let the guest speak and you go to your block producer producer. Say this is kind of unusual, but I don't want to ask you two questions about this book that we haven't even talked about yet. That's not strange at all. Well, of course. Yeah. So they

went in which she made the rounds. That's what she got all malerkotla Watch pretty much all of them, Geraldo, and they just said, Donahue. The 3d Head on YouTube was Geraldo Donahue and it was another one I can't remember. What's her deal? What is her background? Who Where does she come in from what? Well, her background is she's uh, she wrote several books. He's an author. This was her biggest book by far. She has come from

the teachings of the Nation of Islam. Just to give you some perspective of her ideology, but yeah, it's, well, the thing I did, I kept digging. And I found this obscure interview she had with WFURWF su in 1991, which was like it's kind of like a public access channel. And she was seeing now what this black contemporary kind of professional female, so it was

like, okay, it was a good it was a good long form interview. And let's get it to clip one from that segment refused to give and that led me to try to find out you know, we've always heard that the black man leaves the black family abandons his woman and children won't take care of the children won't work, stays out all night turns into a drunk takes drugs. Now we've heard a lot of negative things. Most of them are true, but I wanted to find out what happens before he

gets to that point. What leads up to the breakdown, we've never gone back to try to find out what happens in the relationship between the black man and a black woman that makes him go off and do all of these bad things. To assume that this is just normal natural behavior for black men would be to assume that he is naturally bad. And I do not believe that the man that God gave to us as a mate is a naturally bad person. And so I

wanted to try to examine what goes on with him. What's his side of story that asked you to write this book? Oh, no, no, no, certainly not. I think they were just as surprised as black when many of them approached the title of the book with a little apprehension, because they have not had a champion. We have never had a black woman who actually stood up and said, I'm standing up for the black man side of the story. We know what our side is. And both sides are true. We have

done some very dreadful things to each other. And I don't exonerate black men, which is kind of a misconception that people have, I just say that we know his side. What about our side, and we do have a side. So that if you listen to the Geraldo clip, she's attacking black women, and I know it was very different was was. Now, two things I want to say first thing, some of the things in her book are very inflammatory. I'm not going to poopoo it and that like she, you're saying, No, some of the

but I wanted to break perspective. So people can see, even in the 19, late 1980s, you had people saying, Hey, there's this divide is going on? And it's, you're saying it's very problematic for the black community? Yeah, what are you doing? And we might want to start looking at both sides, which is okay, you can say black men leave their kids and they're drunks and they're drug addicts is a generalization, white men, you know, get drunk and beat their

wives and beat their children. I mean, that's also a generalization. This is true, but it's okay to say that every the whole world could say that about black men. They don't take care of the kids. I mean, it's like it's, it's a it's expected. If you tell in a, if you tell somebody you gotta dance, like, Oh, really? Like, okay, hold on, hold on. So that's, that's with black Americans. That's the word. That's the general thinking. Is that what you're

telling me? Or you said the whole world is everybody. Yes, the whole world is everybody. Because that's the narrative. That's all you see. Maury has made a mint off of the paternity test game show. Let's be honest here. Yeah. Okay. No, you. Absolutely. That that was probably the Maury Povich show, in particular, probably set black America back by 20 years, just by that constant or let's not put it back, but held it at a standstill in the 90s with that

bullcrap, mind you. Holy crap that was entertaining to watch. But you're right. It was pretty much all black women doing it? Yeah. Your Damn man. Ricki Lake. Yeah, another another final season. Sorry, man. You know, he won't do anything. So. Oh, well, it was. It was it was the paternity test, in particular that wow. Yeah, you're right. And that just that just exacerbated it? Oh, wow. never even thought about steel goes on and still go. I tell people this all the time. About

and this is another great function of the show. If I'm a white person, and I only watch broadcast television only broadcasts I don't buy cable. This is where I get local news. Black people do something bad. Then you go to your daytime television, Jerry Maury. Steve what it will go Jerry Springer. You know, black people don't take you black men don't take care of the kids, black men. You know, these images I'm showing all day. And then local New come on again. Right. Local news goes

off. I might get a family feud with Steve Harvey how he's wanting to get black guys. And then law Law Order. Black man killed somebody. Sounds like a Dave jam packed full of fine entertainment mo it's very it's very entertaining, but it's also saturating your mental and if you don't have interactions with real black people, that's the mentality that You have so much so that even black people start to believe this. It's like, Oh,

yes. And then it becomes common like you asked before about television where these thought processes come from it enters through the television. We we've heard that on the previous shows about no man house, what they say the kids locked into projects, their only window out was what the television right? Well, I find I am so fortunate that I was able to find one of the few black men who was a stable family and is married and

has a mom and a dad and a job a job. I don't you may be dealing drugs, but I'm not sure I think you have a real job as I'm searching to take care of my kids. Oh, no. Just keeps on going. How How was it possible? I don't know. Have you done the 23andme this? I should have this kid to yours. I just want to check. right or am I'm sure I'm black. Well, we had that question the other day. That was my case.

That was fantastic. On Twitter. We had seemed me it was just trolling kind of but the guys like I liked the show, but I'm not so sure most black and I don't want to have two white guys talking about black issues. And most like Okay, right. But then the guy fine. He then he posted a video of himself he just adorable. I get I get you. But did you ask yourself? Was that a picture? I don't I've never seen you. Is that a picture of you? That you posted? No,

that's what I thought Moza handsome guys had not. I can't. It's not possible with that. Oh, and it's not that I'm hiding. It's just that one. I don't even take selfies. I think that's the most vague. You don't you don't have to qualify yourself to anybody. No, no, no, no. That's the other thing. I mean, the more you double down on it, the more bullheaded like that, so it ain't gonna work. But, but to cue we say hello, we know you're listening. We know you're here.

Yes, we know you're here. Thank you for joining us. So but here's the problem. Go back to the Geraldo clip. What the lady say I'll see him on the train the young black man's head buried in his book. Well, Miss jars, i Lee has had a reemergence on social media being YouTube, oh, black men, black men are going through that same cycle again. It's like what's going on? This is new, the old is new again. Yeah. And she's getting speaking engagements and propagating her

message. But let's get back to exactly what their message is. And clip two, in saying all of this and as calling yourself a champion and having if I may say the courage to write this book, and standby, you've caused a stir this book is very controversial. What are you hearing from public reaction? Well, I don't think that it's an issue among black women about whether or not the book is true or not the issues that I was not supposed to tell. These are inside secrets and things that

we have never let our men know about. And many times we what is that? We say? He can't handle me? Well, many times he can handle us because he doesn't know what it is he's trying to handle. He doesn't understand what motivates us. We have become very adept, many of us as being able to do something right in front of his eyes and then convince him that that's not what he really saw at all. And that it didn't happen. That we've been kind of confused. Excuse

me. Wow. What is that called? There's a term for it. I call it psychological abuse. Now, it's a it's a specific term used by MK Ultra. No, I'm gonna give it to you yet, please. And you may want to listen to it again. Maybe 30 It lasts 30 seconds in the clip. Okay, gaslighting. Oh, yeah, I've never used that term. Yes, of course. That's exactly the technical, the technical term, not not the way people use it now. But the technical term of gaslighting is what she explained

is exactly what you said. Yeah. Well, let me just in the last, let's it's worth listening to us. 30 said, he can't handle me. Well, many times he can't handle us because he doesn't know what it is he's trying to handle. He doesn't understand what motivates us. We have become very adept, many of us as being able to do something right in front of his eyes and then convince him that that's not what he really saw. And that it didn't happen. We've been kind of confused. Excuse

me. Wow. was famous for that tactic. Well, it was It wasn't supposed to be Donald Trump. No, yes. He's intelligence agencies. That's what they do. Oops. Yeah. That I'm also seeing You're right, she is having a resurgence. She's back everywhere. She's only she's only 65. So she's got a lot of spunk left to enter. This year she does this herb clip, this will be an important clip that the gospel will just call it the gaslighting clip. That'll be an important one.

So when somebody tell you, yeah, you did someone saying I didn't do that. But what I just saw you just give for people that don't know what gaslighting is, when you do something, then you act like you didn't do it. And it confuses the person, their senses. And it's like, where did it where was that behavior learn from? Was that attack that passed down? Who knows, but it's just she said it. I didn't say it. She said I just pointed it out

the term just because it's nice to know. The term gaslighting originated from a play in 1938 called gaslight in which a character tries to make his wife believe. And this is interesting, because that's why I probably wouldn't have come up with gaslighting because traditionally, it's seen as something men do to women. The character tries to make his wife believe she's gone insane to cover his own criminal activity.

When he turns up the gas fueled lights in the upstairs apartment in order to search for a murdered woman's jewels, the gas lights in his own apartment grow dimmer, but he convinces his wife, she's just imagining the change. That's where the term gaslighting comes from. Thank you for that little tip, because I didn't know where the source of it came from. I just know it was a popular tactic. It helps to remember when you read these things I find once you've read the etymology, then it helps.

Yeah, I won't forget that. I mean, it'll stick with me, but that's what she just described. And now you have a man that's confused. And you say Das. Let's not use the word. Man. What a man typically do is does to a woman, let's say the dominant party does to the subservient party. Yeah. Yeah, they flipped the genders in our in our in our race, hello. Spin, spin and yeah. Clip three. In your book, you say that we are not bringing up our daughters and our sons in a correct manner to respect their

father. No, we're not. Unfortunately, as I say, since money has been used as the measure. Many times if a black man does not have money to give us, we won't even let him see his children. We won't let him spend any time with it because he does not give us whatever the child support is. And I'm not saying that we don't

need money to raise a child. But I tried to explain to black women that raising a child consists of much more than feeding clothing and sheltering it that's maintaining one to raise one you need to return to the parental coalition of the father and the mother to put the proper vase into the child. Many of our boys, when we raise them alone, they grow up with the female emotional mechanism. They are are suspicious, they are doubtful. They're disrespectful of womanhood, they're bitchy,

they can't make a decision. In many of our girls who grew up in a home where there is no man present, they go out into the world and try to meet, they don't have any idea how to live with a man day to day how to prepare a proper meal, how to be a mother how to just be in love in the home, most of what our people and our children especially have learned about how you have a relationship, they learned off television, and

television doesn't represent our needs. And so a lot of the confusion has come, you know, from outside agencies that we have not recognized how detrimental it has been to us as a people. Yeah, TV is screwed everybody over but this is in this this topic in particular. And then I and I, we're not done yet. But for me, the takeaway is really going to be the DNA tests on the Jerry Springer show and Maury Povich that it how destructive that was. And all we did is sat there and laughed our asses off.

And there's two things that happened in the 19. I want to say 90s That really changed. Paternity. And, and the jaw, drug culture. One. And these were these were they were these are seismic events. One you just mentioned the DNA test, because before a father could just get up. I'm going to get a pack of cigarettes. You never see him again. Right? Right. He didn't have to take care of his kids that would that was like the running. Black comedian joke. I'm a dad wouldn't you're sick

of cigarettes. I ain't seen him since and you know, that was the thing. Right? But when DNA came about, now you which I think is a great thing I have. I have three daughters. If anybody was the father of children by one of them, I would want them to be held responsible to take care of their their responsibilities. But what it did was now Oh, as leverage is leveraged, it's like, okay, I can prove you're the father. I go to court. We

spoke about this on other show. And then it made family court a two. Oh, no, I never watched that. But there's another one another, the next piece of the puzzle, Family Court, brother family court is now referred to as a collection agency. And it's like, if you don't have my money, you won't see the kids. And most of the time is not based off the kids is based off of one party still wants to be with the other party. And that party doesn't want to be with them. So I'm

gonna make your life hard. Yeah. As we heard, he's calling me what's called weaponizing. The children right. Now just met, can I go off on a tangent, little 32nd tangent here? Oh, the drug culture. The drug culture used to date and be violent. It was, okay. If I get caught with whatever drug XYZ, whatever it is. I'll go do my two, three years and not come home. Right. So when they started giving mandatory minimums, 20 years, that's when it became violent. Yes, the time

is now the die. Yeah, you have to die because you can cause me 20 years in the federal penitentiary. I'm just going to show you how these small changes in legal well as this is it had ripple effects. Yeah, well, and in general, these types of policies decisions, like we've talked before, with, with busing to schools, but the same could be said for the Federal Reserve and their monetary policy. Guess what, these fuckers have no clue. No one knows. We don't know what the unintended

consequences are. You just don't know. You can only learn from the mistake. And I think, as we're learning here, a lot has been learned from from these mistakes. Sadly, it seems like they're going to be reimplemented for the same political power games and gain and maybe even modernized to a degree. Well, luckily, Family Court hats change significantly. Because as we as I said before, when we get when, when you get a call, we get the flu. So now we've seen other races of men get drugged

through family court. It's like, oh, now we need to make a change. Well, we've been dealing with this for I mean, and mostly it's poor men. Because I mean, I'll say this last thing and we'll go to the next clip. Donald Trump has worked five baby mamas. Yeah, for baby mamas, yes. Something like that. None of them have said anything bad about him. Because he can provide. Yeah. So that goes to show you when you have the money in the means you can't weaponize paternity against the man. Just

this just to point that out. But um, just get back on the TV show daytime TV show. Wave. There's one guy that I love. And his name is Mr. Judge Joe Brown. And he did an episode on unscripted, scone TV unscripted. That podcast that I would just love to share with you guys. So let's talk about emasculation. Yeah, who is behind it? Right now, I would say that two people have been propagandized for 50 year period. And a lot of people who don't even realize it

are behind it. The Nazis studied American movies in the American movie industry, and they said they've got it going on with propaganda. That propaganda used to be about doing the right thing for the right reasons. What happened if you didn't sometimes when you did the right thing, the nobility of suffering the consequences for doing the right thing or the economy of suffering the consequences for doing the wrong thing they were

laid out. So they took the American propaganda engine and they refined it and they developed a precept that is very evident today. Tell a lie long enough loud enough and you can get anyone to believe it. That's the whole self Global's propaganda that's not how you pronounce the name. We all know Hold on a second. Let me go to the Reverend owl for the Connect correct pronunciation of what I would say is Goebbels. But here's Al Sharpton. Gurgel and

the third, right Yes. Gurgel very interesting that I don't know if that's necessarily true that Google saw the the US Hollywood machine and said that's, that's what we're going to do that you guys got to go on on. I don't know. Personally, I always thought it was the other way around. With Operation Paperclip. We brought a bunch of those guys over including Verner von Brown, and he went on to to create the space program. And I think from there we got who was blanking now of Freud's.

If you want to sense that we covered him in the last show. I mean, a previous show. It'll come to air Bernays Edward Bernays. Edward Bernays. Yes. Edward Bernays, you know, asked you this question. Maybe we didn't have the payload. But we had the delivery system, for sure. Yes, you're right. Very good point. And yeah. So they were like, wow, like, we could just put our warhead on. That delivery system was going to be gangbusters. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So. Ah, yeah. So JoJo Brown. He's

very, very nice, um, has great insight. And he's another one. What we're seeing here, Jason Whitlock. Judge Joe Brown. Sheriff, Sheriff. Lee, these pro patriarch talking heads. I hate to use that word, but I can't think of a better one. resurfacing? Yeah, nobody's heard from Judge Joe Brown. I mean, the years he was on daytime television, and, and and very competitive. Does that give you perspective of how successful he was? He was competitive with Judge Judy. And

writings. Yeah. So I mean, he was a very powerful voice. I think that's why he was ran off TV. Because he had a very patriarchy patriarchal centered viewpoint on things. Yeah, this was not stand. That's that's not how Knox No, we can't gotta get you all daytime television. You know, you're you're ruining the message. And speaking on the message, let's get into clip three. What happened to the institution of marriage? That's one of the problems back in the 60s we had women talking about

marriage was a form of slavery. So we had some like Nikki Giovanni, the poet came to UCLA on at least two or three occasions, and Jean Nikki G. Nikki Giovanni, wonder young girl, black woman look up. Yeah. And she was expounding the idea that marriage was slavery. So if you wanted to have children, get knocked up by somebody who was smart and physically set out and don't even tell the sob he was

the daddy. Because the worst thing you could do would be to involve a man in the role of a Father that would just mess children up. So women hate men. They don't like the fact that they've got X X chromosomes instead of x, y, and they feel they're deprived Bay as best I can tell off of what I saw 50 years ago when it was developed. But let me ask you this If men were so good to women, what caused them to change and turn on men in that manner? They had a bubble of safety.

Ooh, I was gonna say that's a great question. boggler Thanks, safety bubble of safety. Yeah, another name. I have never heard of Nikki Giovanni. She she was in a class with the other women we we mentioned as great writers, right. And when I say things about people, I don't never want to tear down their skill. Very skilled writer. But it's what your how your weaponizing are being used. And I'm gonna use this term, and it's most academic way. useful

idiots. Right? Not you think you're doing the right thing you're thinking you know? You think you're making changes or decisions for the greater good, but then you end up duped later on down the line. She's also one of Oprah Winfrey is 25 Living Legends. They equip school and even said the new young women look at me you say Nikki Giovanni. That name holds weight. Kind of like

with Maya Angelou. Or, you know, will you say these names. I mean, it's kind of like a rites of passage to read these books. By certain demographics. And by the way, Nikki Giovanni is a great DJ named Giovanni with everybody. Oh, so judge made a mission of women not needing men and I just want to bring up this point. And then 1993 There was a movie came out with Will Smith, Ted Danson and Whoopi Goldberg net called Made in America. And it was about a black woman. She had

artificial insemination. And her daughter set out to find who her father was who ended up being spoiler alert. Ted Danson, if you have seen the movie in 30 years, I'm sorry to ruin it for you. But, um, but also that just goes to show you that it was prevalent in me going out and getting sent out only to Father, right. And instead, and we'll be actually we're together in real life, right? Yes. And just to say one last thing on this topic. That is a insult

this lobbed at men of being a sperm donor. Right? Nothing. You're only good for that? Yes. Go to your cup. Yep, that's Are you Are you not a father? Yes, you're out. You're a sperm donor. So yeah, so it's kind of sad. But by the way, when someone calls you baby daddy. To me, I don't like these terms. I like baby mama, baby, baby. When you say that, it's like baby daddy. So literally, like you're a sperm donor. And you send a quid? That's the equivalent equivalent. And what that cut,

that knife cuts both ways. Because when you say baby mama, yeah, yeah, that's me. You're not good enough to be wife material. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally. Sounds like so. So when people use these terms, oh, irks me? Yeah. I've never liked And now and now it's popular culture. And it's kind of cool to say it and I don't like it. Yeah, but it's not a good thing disrespectful. No matter which way you say it. To me. It's disrespectful.

I totally I totally agree with you on that one. But let's continue on with Judge Joe Brown for have women shifted from relying on the man for their protection to the state to the police. And to the state. The state with the police is representative of the state solely so the women now have displaced the man's traditional role with the government. Yes, what happens is the inner city is becoming has become a

matriarchy. And that's one of the problems we have in terms of community police relations is the order primary order in any healthy community, typically throughout history came from the masculine component. Now the masculine component has not been trained in masculinity, so they don't keep public piece dignity in order. And you have the police come in. Yeah, this is a

lesson. Go ahead. And let's not forget, this is not just Boomer talk, for the judge, because Jay Z made a similar statement, which we covered on a previous show as well, about the interaction between children that were weren't raised with authority figure in the household and their interactions with police. There is overall a western culture thing i i noticed that a lot in America and I've lived in a couple different countries, is this intermediary, we have a we have an intermediary for

everything. It's like you got a problem, like, you know, problem with your neighbor. If you don't go over and say, Hey, neighbor, let's talk about this now. polies right away, it's all we all want have someone else who we pay for with our taxes come in and fix the problem. Like it's like the homeless is same thing. Well, that should just be fixed by the you know, what, come on, I pay for this fix it. Where's my intermediary to go and fix it must be some, you know, some kind of nonprofit or

someone does something around here. That's an overall problem. But I like totally see what what the judge was getting at here in this specific example. And one thing that's lost or either ignored purposely is okay, so you have two parents of a child, and that Father, for whatever reason has fallen behind on his child support payments, correct, deadbeat. But how does how does the mother collect through the court system and the the police?

Correct, but at the very exact same time they're saying the police is shooting out Black man dead in the streets here. But when it's time to get collect your money, let's save those racist cops over there. Yes, yeah. And mass incarceration the same thing because if you can't pay and visually can't pay off for whatever reason you hit me all man hit hard times, for once or twice in life. I mean, it's just a fact of life. If that happens to happen to you, then what what

happens? You become part of the prison industrial complex. Yeah, at the hands of not being a sustaining father. Now, I will say this. Man had to be more responsible because this is not a beat up on one side or the other show. This is to you made a valid, great, great, great point. Keeping that person that middleman out of the conversation. Work with each other? Yeah, for as long as possible, of course, right? Man? No, you know, your responsibility, man. I'm talking

to man out there. Brothers, the patriarchy. You know, your responsibility when you create a child, if you want to be part of that patriarchy been the number one rule is providing. But as I stated before, often we all hit hard times in life and hardships. If a person is able to work with that person, mothers work with the Father and say, Okay, I know you're on a

hard time right now. But you can catch me later. But getting that denying that child visitation denying that child not I said that purposely denying the child the visitation not Not, not the father. Yeah. But you know, it drives a wedge in the bad mouth, the father, it just is just work with each other, came for stayed out of your out of your family, and you won't have that war your

household. So while we're talking about it, how does this who's out there trying to change this message or trying trying to propagate the message that you just gave? Basically, who's who's out there? I mean, we know what powers are at work to undermine all of this is aware of the good guys? Were here's here's the solution that's cropping up. Don't trust women? I don't want anything do it to do it. Women? That's no good, either. That's not a great solution.

Yeah, you're playing right into the depopulation game, right. Which, I mean, which is the long game here, ultimately, and it's just, it's just this continual distrust. But where's it stemming from? I mean, you guys had to like each other at some point. I mean, if you procreate, it will mean each other. So whether it's these expectations, it's the more I call it, the

more syndrome. Yeah. It's a game show. It's a game, it's a game show, I'm not the Daddy, oh, they run off the backstage, you know, or you are a data, you know, it's like a dance, you know, it's like, What in the hell is going on here? You know, there should be a study should be done a university, you know, like a proper study of the effect of those particular shows, on black America in particular. I bet somebody that will show you some real devastation, man, they really

will. Then also just what it's the whole positioning of it, just forget about what's happened to actual black black families, and potential black families because that's what most of those who are potential families, the perception amongst the rest of the world. Jerry Springer wasn't just in America. This was adored by people in Europe. They'd stay up until three in the morning to watch this. They couldn't believe what was going on. They thought it was so cool. He's looking he's

crazy nut jobs in America. But subliminally all along, I would say on those shows 95% Black especially in our morning, here's the other thing. We you get to one name, recognition. Yeah. In America that tells you the influence you have. Yep. And when you say Maury people know exactly what it is. Yep. And it has it has a certain stigma to it. But yeah, so let's continue on with Joe. Clip. 23. A black woman would in turn play the womanly role to a white man

that she wouldn't play to him. Yes. And as black men if she's been subjected to this sort of program, yeah, but it's deeper than that is a cultural vein. Pimps commonly run this game but it's a feminine game that black women are taught. I got to break him down the side. Yeah, girl. Got to tear him down and manage both pieces. I see this the same way a pimp does, he takes the woman who's susceptible to that and breaks it down into manageable pieces, he tears it down. And

that's what you find is a cultural thing going back. Well, that was advocated in the 1710 1708 pamphlet that I read in the Library of Congress, or at least on microfilm, and it was repeated over and over and over again. So what Judge is referring to is the is the willie Lynch papers, which I haven't really painted. Now, if his was real, or a piece of propaganda that was circulated in the black community, or if it was actually a real paper, he said he read it in the Library

of Congress. I don't know. But what it what it included was, you had to do Dr. Old against young, light against dark, male against female, all the things we talked about in the show. So even if it's a piece of propaganda, and not really a actual historical document, the content of it is accurate. Now, you cannot assume the I even knew what the hell the willie Lynch papers were about. Right? And okay, the willie Lynch paper, I can't describe

it. But it was a what was said to be this god named last name Lynch. And they said, it's what lynching comes from, oh, he had this pamphlet of how to make a slave to go around to the slave owners and say, Okay, this is how you because ordinarily, the slave outnumber the owners of the plantation that slave masters and overseers and family are the art of those people. So to keep a slave rebellion for happening, you had to keep the slaves divided.

It was basically the manual for your group of slaves. Yes, congratulations, man. slave owner here, here's your slaves. And here's the manual on how to manage them. Yes, man. Yes. Wow. And that that's the house Negro versus field Negro, which was like dark, old against young you saw that and roots with, I gotta tell, I gotta tell you, I had never heard of this, I feel somewhat embarrassed. But I'm glad. No bugs. That's just

how I feel. I'm bringing it up. And of course, I've gotten into the habit of everything we talked about on the show, I'll get some links, and I'll put them into the show notes. So please do check the show notes. You can see each show note page, you know, has a lot of Wikipedia entries, but all these different names, you can kind of jumping off point from there. But this also just like we, we learned about gaslighting. Well, you

learned about gaslighting. I didn't know that lynching comes from this. Yes, that's where it said to come from. And like I said, there's debate where the validity of it but I'm not talking about the actual doesn't matter. I'm talking about how it was done, how it's done and put in what's done. And it's clear as day we've covered every one of those divisions on this show and multiple episodes. Yes. And we're back again on the man versus woman. But yeah, I mean, so that's Judge Joe Brown for

you. Um, I mean, he is a great source of historical facts very, very well read, well educated, you know, I mean, he's a judge, of course, though, but yeah, so you're just seeing the older generation is starting to speak to the younger generation. Yeah. So not sure if I have a duplicate clip, but let's just listen to 24. And see, I'll get into that.

And, and why. What is so what it sounded like to me judge is that black women are constantly being elevated and promoted, whether it be in politics, as now you see all these women mayor's around the country and state of Georgia, or on activism, black women started Black Lives Matter. They are the go to people to be elevated by people outside our community, which

diminishes the value of black men. And it also causes black women to look outside of black men for the protection and providing that they should get from us is that was that was going on. Willie Lynch William Lynch, West Indies planter said that one of the secrets to causing the slave to domesticate themselves, is conditioning the black female to understand that she could not get safety, protection and provision from her males, and only look to white males to do it that goes back the first time

I saw that was in the 1710 PAMPs. So that creates a natural enmity Oh, it's a cultural thing that's been imposed on us. So, black woman would in turn, play the womanly role to a white man that she wouldn't play to him. Yes. And then as black men if she's been subjected to this sort of problem, yeah, but it's deeper than that is a cultural thing. Pimps commonly run this game, but it's a feminine game that black women are taught. I gotta break him

down the side. Yeah, okay, I want to make this point. Because I don't want to seem like it's piling on. There are a lot of women of all races, especially black women that are appreciative of the patriarchy, because they're made to feel safe and protected. And provided for, but where it clashes is when they deal with their fellow sisters of a different mindset. They're ashamed. And one of the things I've noticed in America as we shame stay at home moms, is sickening. It's like, oh, so

what do you do? I'm a stay at home mom. Oh, you get that? Oh, yeah, this is that meanwhile, this is goes back to the same period and it goes all goes back to Steinem and before. Yeah, it's part of the same thing. And the reason why I say that is it's a, it's an well known saying cliche. The Hand That Rocks, the cradle, is the hand that rules the world. So if you really want to inspire and bring

about change, it's the mothers that can do it. And it's what they teach their sons at a young age, and who they select to have their sons by. That's how you change society. Now women have a lot of power. Let's not get this twisted. It's the fact that these sick people know their flaw is their emotional heartstrings. And they pluck them. Yeah. To make them feel inferior to make them feel less than because they stay at home and they want to be taken care of. Not in a sense of provided

for but it's like, that's a symbol of love. And just ladies a little man inside baseball a way a man shall he loves you is how he provides for you. Is that a fair statement? Adam or no? How he provides? I don't know. I'm not talking about monetarily. No, no, no, totally. Changing the tire? I mean, like, I fix that. Yeah. Yeah, let's look at what I can do for you. Oh, I think that yeah, that's, that's a very natural masculine trait to want to do. Yeah, of course. I'll take care of that.

I'll get the bug. I'll get the spider. Right. Exactly, exactly. I'll get that thing book. Now I do I do want to say in our house. We have an equality. Right, which is based on hygiene. Everybody closes the lid. Oh, yes, please. It makes it so easy. First of all, I would say it's smarter to flush the toilet with the lid closed. Once you've seen the studies of what is floating around. That's all poop. Yeah, I'm aware.

It really is quite disgusting when you know, but it ends any debate it ends any in you know, fallen into the toilet in the middle of the night, which is not a good thing. You know, all these things. It ends it if you just everyone just you done whatever you did. Close the lid. Flush. Good to go. save everybody. But what's the name of the 1980s 90s romantic movie? That guy spends $100 trying to knock down some milk jugs. So when the

girl oversized teddy bear, right? Yes, of course. It's not about money because he could have easily went and bought one. It's like I did that. You know and I want my woman to walk around with a teddy bear at the fair show. I did this for her that also it's it would that ancestral it goes back to you know the hunter gatherer versus I mean the hunter gatherer and us that you know, we came back with the with the keel.

Well, we've been Oh, Run by, you know, the same messaging machine, the same delivery mechanism is overrun by people with a clear agenda, who, you know, are using the same mechanism to tell you that you that that's not okay. And that's wrong. And I mean, just look at television commercials. The guy is screwed up again. I'm a doofus.

And we're not calls up here. So I got a few more clips. But I wanted to piggyback on your point you just made if you watch children's television, which I do, because I always watch my kid watch when they leave the room. I got come in the room and I watch. It's a hierarchy and his television shows. Both parents are stupid. First of all, it's the dad is substantially more dumber than the mom. Yeah. Oh, Dad, like one of those. Yeah, it's like, I mean, he did. I mean, he's, he's barely functioning.

He's lucky. He's breathing. Really? Yeah. Right. I mean, it's like, you know, it's like, oh, you know, and the jokes are like this, like two or three dad jokes in every episode. But now this is it. And they're going down to the lower level. But JoJo brown in the last clip, talked about that tearing down to manageable pieces. Yeah. I wanted to bring to the table, what that looks like and what that sounds like. So I went to continue with the day time

television show theme. Divorce Court, my man's and when you say your man is a wimp. And that's your biggest problem with him? Yes. Could you explain that to me? Well, basically, he's a weenie. He's a punk. I'm tired of it. He's not man. enough for me. I'm too strong for him. Now, this was the 90s this divorce court or was it later than No, this was this was like last week. What? Really? I mean, okay, at least like six months ago, no, no, only six months ago. It's not a

YouTube thing. And this is like near as as 30 years ago. Really? Last week. Okay. Wow, nice. But this is the tearing down to manageable pieces. He's a wimp. And just the personal background. This isn't to a couple getting divorced. This was an episode of should we get married. As he's talking to the poor guy like this, oh, he's a wimp. He's a weenie. I'm like, dude, Ryan. Wow. But we're up to miss Clark. Miss Clark. Let me tell you something. You may think he's a weenie and a punk

and a wimp. But I'm most certainly not. And if you keep that up, you go right through that door. And she and I will finish our proceedings alone. And you lose in the rational war right here already, you know? Mm hmm. So when the female just checked her, she understood the power structure. So yeah. So um, yeah. So this is what it sounds like, for man to be shredded. And for all the people just wondering why this poor guy puts up with it went three.

I mean, I'm just me, right? I could just be mean, if you want something else didn't go they go get something else and Quit bothering you. That having said that, let me say this one you stay. seem to make any sense. Often explain to you No, it's the other way around. I tried to get away. I've tried to get away. She feels Clark. This woman is crazy. She will find me I can move out of the country. Somehow, someway, she will find me literally

do you chase him about now? That's a lie. So you know when he leaves you don't go searching for him? Well, you know. Well, we may see a modern or guesses just as Mario may see an interesting version of this. take place this this power dynamic. It may be taking place. It actually doesn't even matter if it's true or not. I think it may be spun that way, which is probably the most important part. And that's

Prince Harry and Meghan Markel. We may. We may see a version we may see a version of this being portrayed in the media again, whether it's true or not already, without a doubt the messaging is, well, the Harry's kind of a little pussy whipped. Very shrew, and she's a super woman. Yes. And he is a minority because let's face it, Ginger has got it rough. Right. And for the archetype of shoes she's supposed to feel she's gonna play the role. Yeah.

And it's in. Wow. And so let's just think about this because I think I think the, the overall theme here has been the influence of media Television In particular, in how this power dynamic has been displayed and and its total blaxploitation. I'm now coming to realize, of course, back in the 90s hours, ooh, look at me on Mr. MTV i Oh, that's funny. Look at Jerry look at more and you don't really think about it, what the long

standing impact of that is. But now this story, it is the fairy tale story, she married a prince, but the prince instead of take again, he may be in charge of everything. He may be running the show, he'd be like, Baby, I'm taking care of you. That's not what's being portrayed on television. And I don't think that's the way it's going to play out the story. And it kind of breaks though. That's a real, if it plays out that way. Very destructive to the whole, the ultimate patriarchy

is the handsome prince. sweeps you away they live happily ever after. And this one could turn out differently where I had to tell him what to do. I had to drag his ass back to America or to America I had I'm an I'm the I'm the Superwoman I'm taking care of it all Wow, this will be very I have new eyes to watch this with. And a monarchy is nothing but a patriarch take down a monarchy. But it's the death is the death is the it's the headshot for the

nationalism. It is a shock for the patriarchy. It kills a couple of birds with one stone wow it's tough time to be a man more than welcome to the game. Welcome to the game. Mo thank you so much for putting this one together a lot to think about and a lot to pay attention to. And as I always say pay attention to everything and the truth where we really tell

and we will reveal ourselves again. About a week from now please support the show at mo fund me.com mo e fund me.com How can I express you the joy I felt when I realized that I had found the perfect man for me the man who could make me feel all the things I felt a woman should feel I said darling I want to be the perfect woman for you I got myself a three year subscription to Essence magazine read it from cover to cover you know I wanted to be perfect for blank is beautiful just keep getting up

together we can make it it's gonna be alright if for some reason you feel that you can no longer be the man that I thought you were at the beginning of our relationship then I got this one thing to lay on you must wait a little while don't just go away to see you get hard for me to understand so just go on away and just go on and on when that's gone away a little more before do some fresh Find yourself another stream because you're hurt every minute that you delay a winning

Emmy winning Emmy winning Emmy winning me when you need me when you walk through some type of like this. You're getting just a little bit too busy. So why don't you go all the way

Why don't you just leave nonummy Thanks, Richard. All right normally Playboy magazines go on get out on life so don't stand so close to be with you trying to get that last goodbye kiss I know your moves now and don't to kiss my eyelids are pleased I'm sick might be your lobes Ifedi and don't remember think you can get a job by Thursday you promised your uniform then you might as well stay stay man is mostly

don't you can be with him one more time. This time I'm gonna try harder to spend this time I'm gonna be sweet