15: N.B.A.

Yo mo facts with Adam curry for November 18 2019. This is episode number 15. How you doing? Mo? I am doing well, sir, how are you doing? Doing very well got a lot of great comments on the previous episode I was actually that was one of our most listened to so far. So we hit a nerve somewhere. I was definitely good. And I want to take the opportunity to thank everybody who has been supporting the show under the value for value system, which means you listen to the show, who did it provide

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is. But it'll be back up soon. I just haven't had a chance to go edit it. Um, but there's always more facts.com to get you. Right. That's your and your and your podcast apps. Exactly. And that's that's a great way to listen to the shows, get a podcast app for your get an iPhone, use the podcast app that comes with the iPhone, or you can get to know what's a Google Play overcast. There's a ton of other podcasts. And that's the great thing about the podcast works on all these

apps. Yes. So all right. I kind of know a little bit about the topic for today, because we did discuss it briefly and I sent you a clip or two that you needed. So let's see what we've got in store today. Yes, so there was a New York Times article by Miss Farah Stockman. And let's just get right into it. Before Well, before we get to the article, um, when I read the article, I knew what it was when I started reading it. Yeah. What was the title of this article? What was it?

The title of the article? Don't actually stop me. I actually, if you just want to play number four, okay, we'll get to it right away her article titled, we're self interested, the growing identity debate in black America. Why a movement that claims to support the American descendants of slavery is being promoted by conservatives and attacked on the left.

Right. That's a mouthful. Yeah. And there was, yeah, there was, I saw some tweets going back and forth, I saw Antonio more getting upset about it, or at least he had something to say maybe upset is the wrong term. I'm very, very curious. And it worked perfectly as designed. And as I said, Before, I knew exactly what it was when I read it. And honestly, as as I always do with these shows, I give a lot of thought if I want to

cover a topic at night. And I was on the fence about this one, because covering it in the wrong way contribute to what the purpose of this article was about. And this purpose of this article was to cause dissension and be a tool of a similar system, co COINTELPRO. And we'll get to that definition that later. But there's, first of all, we need to go back and define racism and white supremacy to do that. Okay, is this a quiz? Or do I do I just know.

Actually, Mr. Neely Fuller, we use his definition on a previous show. So we'll go there. Well, there's we are on our system of white supremacy. That's the most powerful government that the world has ever seen. And that's the title of it. By the way, it doesn't go by any other title, even though we sometimes call it by other titles. But the accurate title for the government that we are under is in capital letters. The system of white supremacy

worldwide is just one world government. And that's the only government in town, the only government on the planet that really counts. That is worthy of having a title of government. Right? And this goes back a couple shows and we listen to this the first time and Next. Yeah, that's actually a very good episode. People should check that out. We went in pretty deep with that.

Yeah. So the reason why I did this is because Mr. Neely Fuller, is going to drop some more wisdom on us to explain why blacks hate on blacks slave ship, which is what the whole world is. See, if I'm the captain of the ship, I will come and look down in the hash. And honestly, it's just about beating. But we don't have enough food because I'm a Sikh, too, it is not enough. We got a bad boy. So I'm going through just enough food down here for

toilet. I decided to do it. As I do it all, where we are joined Avenue where you find black people, that's how they do it. They hand out the goodness, but it ain't enough. And what's gonna happen when you throw another food 20 People in the hole of a ship where it's 40 people, you got to bite them, right? That's why black people can't stand each other. Over a period of years, we spent all that time fighting each other.

But whatever thrown down at hatch, Mass Ave on the day is just cracking inside. Look at. Right this this idea, of course works with any group of people. Except it's been systemic with black Americans. Yes. And as we see on any continent, across the world, they will have just enough resources to make the people native to that continent, fight over the resources that they throw out. Right. So this is exactly what this article was. It was enough attention thrown out divided to cause a fissure

in the list. There's some terms here we need to clarify. You have a Das. Right. You have FBA, which is finance, foundational black Americans. And do you have the granddaddy of them all? Is the NBA native black Americans? No. Wow, I hit. I knew about SBA because that was that was the article but NBA was new to me. Okay. They're the reason why NBA is not popular for for the obvious reason, it couldn't be confusing. Well, yeah. And it couldn't be a hashtag or Right, right. Oh,

what's the word I'm looking for? Um, well, it's it. Obviously, it shares its initials with the National Basketball Association. So it's just not gonna work in trademark. trademark. Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah. So if you do hashtag NBA, you got some social media is, it's gonna say it's going to be swallowed whole by the actual National Basketball Association. So with that said, if we can hear the headline of this article one more time because when I read the headline, I said, Oh, okay.

What's going on? Titled, we're self interested, the growing identity debate in black America. Why a movement that claims to support the American descendants of slavery is being promoted by conservatives and attacked on the left. Okay. Now, this is how you and I met then you know, different you helped me get an understanding of a DA so American descendants

of slavery. So I was obviously interested in the topic and I kind of figured I think I figured out the same thing you did is what was going on with this. So one is why conservatives like it. Why liberals don't like it written from our liberal newspaper, targeting liberal

audiences. Left audience left wing audience the word the worst use claims some like what was going on with his headline just off the gate and that was like a kind of erode and when I first saw it, but when you dive into the first paragraph, you get a hint of this. The first paragraph alone was pitting eight us against immigrants. Here's the first paragraph

in Hollywood. Harriet Tubman is played in a new movie by a black British woman, much to the annoyance of some black Americans on the United States Census, an ultra wealthy Nigerian immigrant and a struggling African American woman from the south are expected to check the same box when many American universities tout their diversity numbers.

Black students who were born in the Bronx and the Bahamas are counted as the same ame a spirited debate is playing out in black communities across America over the degree to which identity ought to be defined by America by African heritage, or whether ancestral links to slavery, or what should count

most of all. Tensions between black Americans who descended from slavery and black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean are not new, but a group of online agitators is trying to turn those disagreements into a political movement. Hmm. Okay. So here, right off the bat. Right, he leaves him with the Harriet Tubman movie, which was a point of contention between a big controversy, big controversy between native

blacks and non native blacks. Me. So one, we've seen a uptick, a major uptick and non native blacks getting cast to play roles. Representing native blacks. And I want to use that term native blacks from now on because of the whole divide between FBA and AWS, the time I'm going to use and that's it, that was the original term from the very beginning to identify black, black America. So that's what I'm gonna use for now just so people don't get confused.

All right, so you're using the the NBA, using the NBA acronym. Specifically, because of the confusion between a DOS and FBA as riled up by the New York Times, is that when I'm understanding that is very correct. And is this something that does this mean that you no longer stand behind the A das brand? Or is it just for purposes of this show?

Well, that's the thing a Das is not a brand. A Das is a lineage and that I think if you everybody goes back and listen to my old shows, and whenever I identify the A Das, I say I am not of a Das, the group. I am a Das. By Lainey, she got it. And

there's a big difference there. And it's gonna be a huge part of this story, how this story caused the group and the lineage to go off the rails and created a bunch of tension between just put it into tension intergroup tension, right so so the article like said article ra starts pitting black immigrants against

Native blacks or a das however you want to say it. And that was, you know, using this using this Harriet Tubman thing and like you say even you knew about it, it crossed over the timeline. Yeah. Well, what's so interesting, what's so interesting about it is, whenever a non trans person is even cast in a role portraying a trans person is a Twitter blows up with outrage over oh my god, why can't we use an actual trans person? And, you know, there's all kinds of outrage about that

across the board. But then when it comes to the Harriet Tubman movie, and there was a lot of shoulder shrugging, going on was my feeling. And it's been done like that, like say, a lot of the movies are Jordan, Peele makes these cast. Not NET Native blacks in the role of playing native blacks. I mean, this is a common occurrence. And then let's just make a side note here. The Harriet Tubman movie was trashed. I haven't seen it yet. So I haven't

either. I haven't either. But reason why I say that is. I knew it was gonna be trash, because one is trauma based. Entertainment. Gotcha. Two, two. From the reviews I read, and I've read a whole host, they made the black male, the enemy. Right. So it was multifaceted messaging in this particular movie, which is kind of the point, right? We want to activate black women and shun the men. I've learned mo I pay attention. All of this is going up to 2020. This are going up to 2020. And

don't let it be lost on you. That the very week this article dropped. Who said they were running for president? Oh, yes. Deval Yeah. Deval Patrick. Yeah. Deval Patrick. Yes. That timing is not Not, not coincidental. Interesting. go back and listen to Obama saying all hashtags is not activism. Right? Hello. It was a setup. I

believe so. Um, so just to give you an idea of the immigrant versus native black paid off, you know what, I'm not going to self censor because I'm not gonna let a group hijack my lineage. Now, they did have to give credit to Yvette. And tone talks because they did coined a term and since May you have been talking? I've always gave him that credit because I was like, it was ingenious. It was an ingenious hashtag. It wasn't a genius. Acronym because it rolls right off the tongue from just

branding. Yes. standpoint similar to Maga. I mean, it's genius. And I don't want to link those two together, but just from the Mac, it rolls off your tongue. Does. It's like high def DVD versus blu ray. Blu ray rolls brought out desert and I think that's part of the reason why they won the tech war between the two two technologies but demand is just my personal

opinion. But just to give you some context of the shade quote unquote shade that black immigrants have been throwing at us we have larger mall ever since this whole I was hearing about this whole Atos. From the minute I heard about it, it was like a division. Yeah. amongst black people. Yeah, it was a division. It seemed like some sort of, well, you're not American enough. Like

what's your lineage like? Like, we had a conversation about reparations and noticed a while ago on a God cast and adults came up. And you know, you had some people but I don't think large balls, Atos. Anyway. So, you know, Hey, knock. Are you are you at us? Here's the thing. On my father's side, no. Okay. We trace back to Guyana. Okay. You know, a guy is not a DOS when he pronounces an OD dos. So you know, he's, he's already not in the loop as far as I'm concerned.

Right. And as you heard him say, no, not on my not on my father's side. I'm not a Das. Right. And here's the thing, if you're not a Das, you can have an opinion on it. I mean, everybody's having a pain or anything, but you can't have any say so. But if he's eight hours on his mom's side that counts, does it not? Well, that's to be determined. Because on the next clip, he just to give you I'm saying to foreshadow, he says, he can't

trace his mom's side. Okay, so he doesn't know. So from his standpoint, he's personally a das on his mom's side, and not a Dawson his father's side. But they these users were always divisive is divisive? Yes. That's the whole point of and a on DOS, because in the show that you did prior to me contacting you, you use the term dos. Right. And I'd probably pick that up somewhere, if it's something I was reading, right. There was no problem with that. But that was, like, part of the

catalyst for me to write you and say that A is important. A great, no, I was gonna say it's, it's very simple. We have lots of black immigrants, brown immigrants, reddish brown and dark black, all kinds of immigrants, who, in America, in general are seen as black. But that's not the same as Americans who came here who descended from from slavery that you got to different credentials. And apart the whole movement, is based off trying to be repaid

for services rendered. I'm gonna use the original language I always use from America. Now, if you're from Jamaica, then you go to the country that held Jamaica, you see, I'm saying, if you're from Haiti, you go to France, right. And you hold France responsible. And the thing is, is with a Das, not the not a das group, but the people. If we were successful from getting reparations from America, don't you think we would share that with other groups of people? This is the

blueprint, you know, this is what we did. But and I want to make this very clear before we move on any further. black immigrants have a large portion of black immigrants have been very supportive of the A das movement. We've called them allies, you weave We discussed that before. Yeah. So it's only a certain group of people that, um, that have not been supportive. And I have my theories or why because if a Das is made whole through reparations, then that ruins

their claim of using victimization mentality. For getting gain, yes. You see, you get what when you see what's happening here, they're masking themselves in that victimization mentality to get things like affirmative action and, you know, get to get ahead, but then once they Well, the benefits is even more cynical than that the powers that be in government. They're the ones lumping Kamala Harris is a good

example. They're the ones lumping it all together and saying, Why did you if you've got a black skin color, it's your lucky day. But all under the guise of reparations. I think she's used the terms explicitly. But it's, that's you know, that you're talking about different kinds of different groups of people with different backgrounds and ergo, particularly when it comes to slavery, different possible. remuneration. Yes. So let's get into the second Lord Lord your market.

Caribbean, South America. Yes. Ghana's Caribbean. It's in South America, but it's considered Caribbean in a way got it. This one. Why don't the American the West Indian Day parade I think pretty sure I see good bad flags flying around America, right? I'm just like, you might see Honduras or something like all but that's all in South America. So anyway, um, now my mother is adopted, so I don't know her. I still got to

do some research on on, you know what I mean? I have discovered one side of her father now I gotta trace where his family's from, but I did the trace on my father's side. So on that side, no, I'm not adults. Possible. I'm on my mother's side. I am. But see. Again, that's some bullshit. Right? So current Atos. You shut the fuck up. Or I might be hatin on it. Because, well, I ain't gonna get nothing. Right. You know, if we did get reparations, I'm not gonna get nothing. So, you know, why would

I care? Something? Wow, that that shows the whole problem right there. Yeah. And you know what's funny at the beginning of the clip, the interviewer who was Vlad from Vlad TV, he says, Are you referring to? Um, I think he says Jamaica, South America at a certain point. He's like, No, I said, got guy who's got Guyana, Guyana. So he said, Yes. So he said, No, no, no, that's not Caribbean. That's South American. Oh, so you can make it just determined stuff. Right?

No, not even that. But you can make? No, correct. People will say no, I'm not part of that group. I'm part of this group. Right. But if we do it, it's a problem. Yeah, quite hypocritical. And if you're going to have an opinion on a DDoS, you might want to do the work on your mom's side. And not just a I got to do that one day. But yeah, so I mean, it's just to get you to attitude issues. Um, you know, like I said, a very large group of people have

been supportive, you can you can verify this. They have been allies, because they understand what's at stake here. And we're gonna say, we're not asking for a handout, we made that clear, I've made that clear on previous shows, is for services rendered. And for non Athos people for non native black people. The ones that don't feel like it's benefiting from them, there is have been a segment that have been very negative towards you.

And we have seen that, you know, play itself out. So let's just continue on with a das versus immigrants. It goes on to say they want colleges, employers, and the federal government to prioritize black Americans whose ancestors toiled in bondage. And they argue that affirmative action policies originally designed to help the descendants of slavery in America have largely been used to benefit other groups, including immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean.

Right? This is this is the genesis of this show. Exactly. That's the argument. Okay. So what's the problem? was the way he was reading Well, the way he was reading it, probably with the right tone for the New York Times like oh, look what they're doing. Oh, what do they think they are asking to determining who they are in background?

Yes. And then we You see, the, the percentage of academic that is not native black or Athos, do you understand how these thought group these three groups and think tanks will be against aid us? Sure, yeah. Oh, it's like, how dare you cut off, you know, you know, this supply here. We're coming in we're masking. Yeah, we're masking ourselves is, you know, it's black, quote unquote, black and we didn't have, let's be clear, we didn't have this problem 50 years ago, because when you said black 50

years ago, everybody knew meant black, right? It meant a loss, it meant native black. But as you have is increase, which is probably close to 8020 Split now between eight Austin and 80%, and not eight off being 20 push that and it's growing every, every year. Now, when you say black, it means something totally different. And they like said groups like things like

affirmative action. And that's what they're really pissed off about is like, you know, how dare you, you know, put a, you know, a barrier between us and the goodies that we get by by playing the role of a victim? What was the moment and we may have covered this in a previous show? What was the moment when that really changed when specifically affirmative action start to be used, or offered, I should say to non Adolph groups.

I'm gonna say in the 1960s 19 state, action was broken from the very beginning because it opened itself up to minorities, right? So yes, already coming. It could mean really anything. And I use the analogy that we kicked the door open and they held open for everybody else. Why they why they went in and now that we're saying Now we don't want to hold the door no more. Now everybody got their panties in a bunch. So right because people don't even think about the the genesis of affirmative

action because it was broken from the get go. So it's it we got a lot of undoing to do, I guess. Yes. So I'm just so we're gonna get into a das versus emigrants versus Tyreek now the next paragraph says, the film producer Tariq Nasheed is among the outspoken defenders of the idea that the American descendants of slavery should have their own ethnic identity. Quote, every other group, when they get here goes out of their

way to say I'm Jamaican, I'm Nigerian. I'm from Somalia, he said, but when we decided to say, Okay, we are a distinct ethnic group, people look at that as a negative. This year responding to requests for, quote, more detailed disaggregated data from our diverse American experience, the Census Bureau announced that African Americans will be able to list their origins on census forms for the first time, instead of simply checking black

Ah, me. Meanwhile, everyone was arguing about gender, whatever, whatever we would argue, but the important questions are in there now. Yes. So I'll be able to list black origin American. So if they want to claim their origin, then you have a clear identifier, right. So if we go back and start recalculating how we do affirmative action, we say we'll and we had this conversation before, but I don't think a firm actually done the right way. Because one, it lowers the standards. I don't

agree with that. But I think it should, should, I mean, if you're going to say want to have in the current way set up, if you're going to say we're going to have X amount of spots set aside for native blacks, then that cuts them out the deal, right, if you want to mark where you correctly from, and this is where this is where the real rub comes in, but let's not ignore something here. In this last clip, they they mentioned Tyreke nasheed first Tyreek now she is not one of the original creators

of Athos right? And when I read this I said that's going to be a problem. And that was very that was done from my standpoint strategically now this is like this isn't one of those examples where like people say Ricky Gervais is the pod father and not Adam curry is not possible. Exactly exactly. Can I tell you that David never felt good to me so we you can you can identify with it you know look great it up all podcast and you know, and then they have you listed way down

the article is no, just just a guy you know? Yeah. Oh, well, I guess my point is, it's also because you say, Well, it seems by design could be. But I'm just taking the other side saying I think is just dumb idiots. The the journalists are not great all the time. So it could also just be Oh, this guy seems to be the mouthpiece right now put him at the top. That's my point. That's the problem. Gotcha. That is the exact problem. You're working close with, I mean, for you to use the hashtag Athos.

Right? Yeah. Why wouldn't you list the cuz? Here's the thing. I'm looking at the structure of the article right now. So they mentioned how Reek, they mentioned his quote. And then the very next paragraph is where they mentioned the two founders of Athos, gotcha. That seemed very fishy to me. While I want you to switch it around and it's your article doesn't lose any any meaning. But if we're set out to what Neely Fuller said, So food alpha 21. You got 40 people down there? Here it is.

Exactly. Here it is, though the state down and Washington Washington, bra for it. And I knew when I read this article and the order of that I was like why did just not being intimate with the with the whole situation. I'm like, Why did I mention him first? And but he has been he has the larger platform. He has been supportive of a Das, the hashtag. So people identify him with the group. And the writer Farah Stockman who wrote this article, what do we know about Farah Stockman?

Well, I'm glad you asked that, because that's a very interesting thing. Once she's racially ambiguous what that means when you look at her you she could be Latino, she could be mixed. She could be whatever, um, what I mean by that is it's not clearly it's not clearly identified. Right. And I couldn't find exactly where she identified as anything. But what I'm glad you asked that question. Um, one thing I did identify with a, she did a lot of teaching abroad in Kenya.

Hmm. Which goes maybe leans towards why she's being so supportive of the non native black struggle against Athos. Right? It's just a thought, yeah, she was in Kenya from 97 to 2000. Yes. And she served as a school teacher in Kenya for two years. And then she started, oh, and then she set up a non governmental organization. Okay, that's something I should look into. And that's when she started. It's always and that's when she started writing for the New York Times. And I interesting, I see that.

There was another article, deciphering eight awesome new social movement or online trolls, which came out in November 13. Right after this one, gotcha. Okay. Just a data points. All right. All right. Yeah. So just that just a little background, but that to say that order of cool was mentioned first. It seems petty. But as you say, it rubs you the wrong way. When another person is

mentioned. As the founder of podcasting, you know, or the pod father or whatever you say, however, you want to identify yourself, I don't want to identify you. Thanks. misgendered. Me, bro. Yeah, I don't want to miss. So I'm now so now we're getting to the good part. insurgent. The article goes on to say the goal of ADOS is two founders.

Antonio Moore, a Los Angeles defense attorney, and Yvette Cornell, a former aide to Democratic lawmakers in Washington is the hardest frustrations among black Americans by seizing on the nation's shifting demographics, embracing their role as insurgents, Mr. More and Miss Cornell held their first national conference in October and have made reparations for the brutal system of slavery upon which the United States was built a key tenant of their platform. Wow,

insurgents. What an interesting choice of term is because insurgent almost to me, you know, an insurgent is like a terrorist. Yeah, with the mass that's the you know, when you hear that word, you think roadside bombs. Yes. I mean, that's just the mental picture that you get when you hear surgeons and then when you go to the previous pair Grab it says what it say. They're trying to harness the frustration among black Americans. And then you go down to the next paragraph and you say insurgent.

Yeah. So insert not. And in fact, I just took a look, this is what we heard for years in Iraq. If there was an IDE, a roadside bomb, any type any type of attack against the Allied troops there, it always was written in the news as insurgents detonated a bomb insurgents, its insurgents, insurgents insurgent. So it's kind of that's the connotation that's in the New York Times would use that word in that

context. So that's interesting. Yes. So for the people out there that will love a formal definition of insurgency. We have that for you. Insurgency as a rebellion against a constituted authority when those taking part in the rebellion are not recognized as belligerence. It is the organized use of subversion and violence to seize, nullify or challenge political control of a

region. As such, it is primarily a political struggle in which both sides use armed force to create space for their political, economic and influence activities to be effective. Wow. Man, that's yeah. So using that term in this context is is off. Now that go let's go back to that previous ah, two paragraphs says only what the actual paragraph it says embracing their roles as insurgent. Mr. More I missed the current Mrs. Karnail. Hilldale first national conference. So

your mental image is a bunch of black insurgents. Yeah, getting together holding us and holding the conference like the Panthers man. Yeah. And this Imagine if now see that this is why I say that people piss on native black people. I imagine if she used this language, speaking on care. Oh, you mean the Council of American Islamic Relations? Yes. Oh, yeah. Be a huge problem. She be fired? Yeah. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

You see what I'm saying? I mean, like now it's like, hey, well, it only occurs once in the article, but it literally says embracing their role as insurgents. And that's a very liberal, Deaf definition. She does she does this with definition code. So quote, unquote, definition of the word. Well, we all know, words change. I mean, well, okay. Sorry, I didn't get them didn't get the memo,

because you can still look it up on. On any dictionary online. It says a rebel or root revolutionary attack by armed insurgents as an example. Yeah. And violence is almost always a part of insurgency. Yes. So then you follow that up with paid off being like Trump, their movements has also become a lightning rod for criticism on the left. It skepticism of immigration sometimes strikes a tone similar to that of President Trump. Now, once again, to see make that

statement as an opinion. You see, just praise that sentence as an opinion, is skepticism of immigration sometimes strikes a tone similar to that of President Trump and the group has fiercely attack the Democratic Party, urging black voters to abstain from voting for the next Democratic presidential nominee unless he or she produces a specific

economic plan for the nation's ADOS population. such tactics have led some to accuse the group of sowing division among African Americans and engaging in a form of voter suppression, not unlike the voter purges and gerrymandering efforts pushed by some Republicans. You are a bastard mo I can't believe what you're doing. You're trying to subvert the Democratic Party. You're threatening them? Well, it's a lot is and I hate this word, but it's a lot to

unpack there. Mr. Curry has their own. Let's see. So you said we were insurgent, a terrorist. Then you move from there to being like Trump, which we all know, Trump supporters are, like terrorist and violent. Well, interestingly enough, they're also white supremacists. So welcome to the party. Now Yeah. And I like we own the group fiercely attacks the Democratic Party, urging black voters to abstain from voting, which is true, but I don't know about the fiercely attacking bit.

And it says is skepticism of immigration. Here's the thing. A Das has been against a legal immigration and see they do this make all the time all the time. Yeah. No problem with illegal immigrants. You got here you did your paperwork, right. You came here, you know, you went through the proper channels. The problem is a legal immigration directly undercuts and becomes competition with poor blacks and America and the West a problem and the way this is written.

You could interpret it multiple ways, which is I think it's a trick that a writer at The Times would do to I'll read the line again, it's skepticism of immigration. Now, you can interpret that as all kinds of stuff. It could also be the skepticism of immigration, because there's so much illegal immigration, but it doesn't say that it's skepticism of immigration sometimes strikes a tone similar to that of President Trump, which, in essence, is probably true,

because Trump talks about illegal immigration. It's just it's not specifically laid out in the article. So it's chickenshit. Really? Yeah. So then moving on down says argued black voters to abstain from voting for the next Democratic presidential nominee, which I have been a big supporter of, I tell people all the time, if somebody doesn't give you the option not to vote,

then you don't have option. Um, so that's where that's where the real, real issue comes in with this whole and this is what this whole this is what this whole article is about. 2020. Then they go down to the next paragraph says such tactics have led to accuse the group of sowing division amongst African Americans, and engaging in a form of voter suppression is Yeah, that's great. Ah, not unlike voter purges, and gerrymandering, how the hell can we gerrymander?

I mean, not unlike a you're drawing an lines in the districts? I don't know. I really don't know what that means. That's, that's a stretch. So this is what this is. This is what this like I say, I know sent out a lot, but this is what this whole article is about, is to really shame black people. Like oh, you know, you don't vote you will let Trump win. You know, he's the boogey man you know, he's the big bad Klansmen,

you know, I mean, now, look at look at these blacks. They're on his side, that's even worse that I mean, just just associating this group with Trump is enough. I mean, that's enough for the for the New York Times reader and the elites of America to decide right then and there. A das equals Trump equals bad. Yes. So um, let's get to the next clip. Shireen Mitchell, the founder of stop online violence against women has been embroiled in online battle with ados.

activist for months. Miss Mitchell contends that the group's leaders are quote, using reparations as a weapon in quote, to make Mr. Trump more palatable to black voters. Others have pointed out and Miss Cornell once appeared on her YouTube channel and make America great again hat as proof so she did appear on her channel wouldn't make a good America Great Again, hat. But if this reporter had done her

homework, it was as a joke, but this has become a meme. It's become one of those things where if you say it enough is true. Yeah, you got it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter what the truth is, we got you would have Magga hat on. So you're saying you're, you're in with the on the alt right. Um, so another thing she points out here, she says, using reparations as a weapon. Now, nobody has a problem when people use immigration as a weapon. They say, if you don't support

immigration, we won't support you. AIPAC uses there's no, I mean, it's politics. That's how politics works. You know, I won't vote for you. You won't have my support. We will get you out of office will run against you in the primaries. You know, I mean, that's, that's how politics work. Yeah, but it's like, it's clearly a DDOS or not obedience. They're not doing what they're supposed to do.

Get back in your home. Yep. Well, and this quote is from Miss Shareen Mitchell does that name ring a bell to you, sir? Shareen Mitchell. Not offhand. We'll miss your remit. You had a talk with Miss Joy read? Oh, yes, I know who this is. Yeah, sure do. Straight into it, shall we goes are we have some fun. They appear to be a human, but they don't leave a big gap as as Adam just said, in the time that they've tweeted, and they tweet you should you respond to them?

Generally no, I mean, off the back, you should say back and just sort of watch their engagement, how many times they're tweeting, what they're tweeting about, and even the topics in particular. And a lot of the ones that are pretending to be black people and black women in particular, who are focusing on black identity have these sort of aspects in the

ways that they're talking about language. If we saw the other day, there was an account that was supposed to be for black supporting Howard Schultz, that account was eventually pulled down. But that was a prime example of someone trying to mimic support from the black community for a particular candidate. So these kinds of things that are happening at this moment, we have to pay a little bit more close attention to it because there is nuance, but there are also identifying

factors. For example, right now from the black identity framework, there's a new sort of hashtag and or identity that's in their bios called a D O S, or D. O S, which is standing for descendants of slaves. Well, that's wrong. And also what she's she's from stop online violence against women. And yet, why is she speaking on this topic? Well, she's the blackbutt. Lady. Oh, the she's the blackbutt. Lady. Okay, can we play it? Yeah, yes.

So it's the indication that they are, they are someone who was born and you know, as a descendant in the United States, who was representing black America, and has the vernacular in the language that people will believe is someone who's a part of our community who's either debating about Camilla or debating about Booker, because that's who just announced and I'm trying to say, we know who's the most, you know, who's who's black in America and making sure that they're, you know, sort of

talking in this vernacular that makes it look like that they are American? Yeah, yeah. We I mean, I did see a huge uptick in bot activity when it came to when Kamala Harris announced it's like it just dropped like a bomb. It just happened really quickly. And she was accused of being not, not really black. Not Not really. You can see that happening. But actually, there was an uptick of those bots, just before she was about to announce so they were preparing for her announcement.

I love joy Reid, who's like, oh, I noticed all these bots. No, you did not. You don't notice any of that. Oh, these are real people. And it's amazing that Miss Farah Stockman didn't ask Miss Urim Mitchell about her black bots comment. I'll we blocked bots now. Ah, you shouldn't be afraid of bots. Not voting. Right? Yeah. You see what I'm saying? So no, she brings her up. She mentioned to her how you know, we're using reparations as a weapon, making Trump more

palatable to the black voters. But she didn't ask her about her black box comment that she made on jewelry reads our show. No. In fact, the article just says that she has been embroiled in a Shareen Mitchell founder stop online violence against woman has been embroiled in an online battle with the A das activist for months. She's battling bots mo she's very brave. Mr. Mitchell contend that the group's leaders are using reparations as a weapon. So yeah, so of course, why would

the New York Times call her out on that that makes no sense. And where she why she from Shareen Mitchell is not much on. There's not much about her on the Wikipedia. All right, but why are you so worried about bots, bots don't vote? Well, because of the division, the bots were sewing in the community to move people or black people away from supporting Kamala Harris and Cory Booker. That's that's what the way I understood it. And column my head count. I like it Come on my head column.

column or column up? Yeah. So Kamala Harris would take down was the shot across the bow. That's when they really saw these people is serious. Yeah. To take down a consider to be a leading cause you know how they classify their candidates over the Democratic Party. She was one of the leading Democrats, and she was completely deflated in a mess. Other days, and as soon as she came out, I'm surprised that the article doesn't mention that a DOS

successfully beat Kamala Harris down to 3%. In the polls, these are very dangerous aid officers. But anyway, missed opportunity, I think. So, as we know, Miss Marianne Williamson, she had the air of Athos and Aidan's had her ear, um, but it's a clip that I had, and I didn't, it was one of those clips slips. And I made mention of it. But when I went back and listen to it, it had a totally different context now. Um, she's gonna lay out the step

by step plan of how you can move. Well, I'll let her explain it. There was a moment last night that seemed like you were going almost you are going at it with Don Lemon. He posed a question to you about reparations. What was going through your mind when he asked you this question? Well, how diminishing can he be? What makes you qualified to determine a number? You know, there's this political class, it's like a Wizard of Oz type of thing. Only they know, you know,

it's like something's going on behind the curtain. A lot of people have serious conversations about what's going on in this country, not just a bunch of TV pundits and, and politician. So and I was so diminishing, what makes you qualified to do math, there is a certain, you know, strain of official note. So at first it was like, We won't take her seriously. She's not there. Then okay, she's there. But she's a

joke. She's a looney tune. And now they've gotten to a phase of, well, so never win the nomination, but we should probably listen to her because she has some really important things to say. Okay. So the step by step she laid out about how they attacked her. Yeah, they did the same thing that a Das. Won, they're not there. Yet. You know, their bots, then they're Looney Tunes, to their joke. Yeah. But now it's like, all well, they got real power. We got to listen to him. It's the same as that step

by step. No, I heard it. I was like, wow, yeah, you know, this is a system. This is a real system. And then my brain got going, um, if there's a system as Mr. Neely Fuller said, there is a system and it controls the world. But let's listen to him talk about that system, and only got to step on my foot and you got to find milk. Now I gotta go get my brothers and my gangs would not see and the white supremacist say, These people don't even know how we do what

we do. That's why we are masters of the world. So we've we figured out how they do what they do. And how they do it. They do used to be called COINTELPRO. So COINTELPRO was this system of counter intelligence, custom for counter intelligence program. It was ran by one Mr. Hoover, J. Edgar Hoover, FBI to be specific for the FBI. And this is the to me, when I read this article, it may not be specifically COINTELPRO, but it smacks of the same kind of methodology behind it.

We know that government watches us, but what about when government surveillance changes the course of history. In the 1960s, the US government started a program called COINTELPRO, or

the counter intelligence program. The program was a series of secret FBI initiatives targeting activists, political and minority groups, the American Indian Movement, the Black Panthers, Martin Luther King, women's and civil rights groups, Vietnam War protesters, and anyone who got the government seeing red tactics used included infiltration, and surveying and discrediting leaders and causes in order to

undermine entire movements and organizations. But a lot of what COINTELPRO did was illegal, and it was officially disbanded in 1971. Though if you ask many activist groups and political dissidents, it still exists. Just him another form. Okay. I'm very I'm very familiar with this. I didn't realize that it was. They stopped it in 1971. And was this Ah, did that have anything to do with the Smith Mundt act By any chance?

Um, I'm not sure. Okay, that I'm not sure I'm familiar with the Smith ma app, but I'm not sure if that that went hand in hand. Okay. But as Mr. Neely Fuller said two clips ago, they understand the powers that be understand. And uh, you see you we saw in Venezuela, we see all over the world. They empower one leader against an established leader and then let them fight

it out. Right. And that's what I was alluding to when I say they mentioned Tyreke machine first before they actually mentioned the co founder and co founders IDaaS was coming when you see these things, it's a pattern. They do the same thing. It's like um so when I saw I was like, This is gonna be a problem. But my worst fears came true. Tariq nasheed and tone talks took the bait, and it started with Tarik Nashi tweet.

Trump is actually talking about providing specific tangibles to foundational black Americans, yet the Democrats who black Americans have been so naively loyal to are adamant about not doing anything specific for black Americans. So why should we honestly support the Democrats? This is in response to Trump saying we created 9000 opportunity zones, 8 million in an 8 million African Americans live in opportunity zones, yet every Democrat voted against giving these black citizens the

future they deserve. The Democrats, the Republicans got it passed. So Tarik mushy made a tweet. He where he retweeted a Trump tweet, kind of like supporting Trump. But Trump's tweet, include the mention of opportunity zones, which opportunity zone, as I stated on the show myself is a sticking point for me. Because you're he's out for me as well. And you know, because I live in an opportunity zone. So I'm curious to see how it's doing for poor people.

Yeah, so it's just on a surface level, it has been branded as black as bad for black people. I don't know call stuff, just I'm saying on the on in the MB. When you hear that term now, in the ADA circles, which you want to say they woke circles is synonymous with a gentrification? Yeah, we have to say, it's very nuanced. But for him to retweet that I knew there was going to be pushback for him doing that with I was what what now? Let me be clear, we're talking about intra group

conflict. Yeah. So at this point, eight, us, native black, foundational black, everybody was on the same page, right? Post the article, we started seeing fractures happen, and they would happen to immediately. Um, so Terry, and she makes this tweet that was read by Yvette Cornell just just for full disclosure, which is the founder of Athos, the group. And so, town talks, replies to Tyreek tweet,

I'm seeing this thing and I responded to Tareekh. And I said, this is not real politics, Trump perform one of the most regressive tax cuts in American history. They left the cupboard bare for any type of major program that would have cost similar to reparation. You cannot say this without recognizing that fact. Okay,

so let me let me just hear what he said. Was that the opportunity zone the the amount of money that's involved, that could have just been used for reparations for a Doss, is that what he's saying? I'm thinking the way I interpret it was it doesn't compare Okay, cuz here's the thing. Oh, yeah. In other words, that's not reparations. Nice. Yeah, well done might work. Who knows Jury's out but it is reparations No.

So inside baseball here. Anything that can be used to needle the Democrats, native blacks are willing to use because those are the people that have taken us for granted for so many years taken our vote for granted for so many years. What needs to happen is it needs to be parity created between the two party If you bring them on the same level and then you say, Okay compete for our vote. Democrats should do you need our vote? You want to take Trump out of office if he's a threatening

the, what was the word he liked to use? Threatening democracy, our democracy, right? Yeah, right. Right now the market three, A, this this, this reparations seemed like a good deal to get him out of there. What's up, right. And then on the other hand, is like a Trump, you know, saying, you know, if you want to lock up this 2020 vote, what's up, or neither one of you want to do anything, we're gonna sit on the sidelines and let you guys figure it out. That's how

politics works. That's, that's, that's how people get votes. Sure. That's on code. But people are going off code. every word matters at this moment. Part of the reason that we're talking voting brought down by like Democrat is to make it clear that we're not a right wing propaganda tool. Because right now, the four DS come into, into play, dismiss, divide, destroy, you know, they're trying to, they're essentially trying to try to get us and call us right wing, when

actually we're just demanding a black agenda. So as a result, we can't get any fuel to the fire. And I think it's, what I'm seeing right now is an inability to really understand how important that is imagery, how important it is to catch this thing as what it is where, look, black folks since 74 have voted 90% Democrat, black folks. When you look at Latinos, in the last election, 65% of Latinos voted for for the Democrats 35% voted for Trump, when you look at whites 674, their rate of vote

for the Republicans has been over 50%. And for the Democrats, it's been like 40%, the Democratic Party is our party. The problem is that we haven't called on them with the specific Black Agenda and demanded of them what they owe us. You don't walk away from what they what somebody owes you. And say it's because they don't want to recognize you without making what I'm making a haymaker of a case, and that's what we're doing right now. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, skirt skirt, hit the

brakes. Right. We were all on code here. If nobody puts anything on the table, you're not getting our vote. And even sir, certain segments, you're saying, if the Democrats aren't willing to put anything on the table, we will vote for Trump. Just to show the Democrats we're not playing right that that's that was the code, right? And then aid off the group. Now this is where it becomes a lineage which you can't be born in. And I mean, you can't be an out of the group. You're born into it.

Right. I mean, I was born a loss, just for the sheer fact that who my parents weren't who their parents were right. Now Ukraine eternal making a group, a political group. And you're saying we're gonna vote down ticket Democrat? No. And like I said, this is I'm not picking sides in this situation. Because one thing you know about me, Adam, I made it very clear. I don't do groups. No, that's correct. The reason why I don't do groups is this very case right here.

Because groups change. And now you've I've locked myself in with this group. And now have you done a pivot? No, we're not voting down ticket anything because that's that's a trick in itself. Because the reason why I say that is how does the average American vote? straight ticket? Yeah, Republican Democrat done? You're not going to sit down and check the average person that

can go to sit? No, I'm not going to vote for president but I'm going to go check everybody out the judge and senators and now you're gonna go on there, you're going to put push one button or the other button, right? Pretty much so this is absolutely this as a trick I took as as an insult to my intelligence because it was very clear. We're not if nothing tenten it and it's the word we'll use tangible. Oh, yes, we're gonna

use reparations as a weapon, the same way immigration is us. We might not get immigration, you know, the immigrant immigrant. activist groups might not get open borders, but they like what do you got for me? What can we get? We can get DACA okay, we're saying every, everybody wants something. Absolutely. Right. So what's the latest, um, for us for leveraging. So maybe you couldn't do eight out You couldn't do reparations. But you could say, well, we can do A, B and C. And then we see you next

election. So that's, that's, that's kind of tangible, you know, saying that was, you know, I mean, I feel I could feel it, you know, I could I could talk a touch of Israel, and we could talk, but nobody's put anything on the table. And now all of a sudden as we get close to 2020, you have a Das, the group and let me be clear here, a dotnet. Now Now as for shattering to Well, I said, I'm gonna go by NBA now. Because now you've done something weird here. I'm now while passe das means something

totally different. And Tariq mushy replies back and he makes the point of politics versus lineage, my position and everybody else is a lineage, but it's also created by a movement of politics, a very sustained politics around the Black Agenda, and reparation. Okay, so right there. Okay, so lineage, but it's a movement based around politics or some political group. Okay. Okay. We'll say that. We get it back to me, this is what I'm saying.

Don't say that and just be very upfront with it. This is a political group that they have, that they've named the same thing so that it can be conflated. That's him saying it's linear, but it's also this political thing, too. So it's a group that they've completed with the lineage. So when you speak about the lineage, by proxy, you're speaking about the group and you begin the group up. It's two things. That's very deceptive. That's very deceptive. That's deceptive. You

ain't talking about lineage no more. So if a person out here, just saying, Yeah, ados. And you think, Okay, I'm just supporting the lineage. And then they're using that Tony nibandh? Well, that's, that's the number that's he's in my group. That's my group member. I'm the leader of you understand, we're lineage, you're telling me who to vote for. In, in an interesting way. This parallels the, the 2008 Tea Party, who were not necessarily a lineage, but there was a

foundational set of beliefs. And it was Ron Paul, who, who started that who ran that, and through very similar tricks. That whole group was co opted. And it was turned into something. In fact, it was turned into something so naughty, that Ron Paul left, he left his own group, you know, because it did turn into just a political entity and all kinds of and it happens all the time and other actors come in, and then the group morphs and changes. So yeah, it's, it's, it's tough doing that.

So there is a definite definite parallel between the Tea Party and between the Tea Party and Athos, because this is how it becomes was from grassroots to astroturf, right. And like I said, I'm off the boat. I can't add, well, can't do this. And I think other people picked up on it. And I'm not picking sides, because one of these conversations should have been had behind the scenes. They should have sit down in a room together, had a conversation, and not had it all over social

media. So I don't like how either one is you don't know how to handle it. I think they both have something to add, because tone has great data. He does the research. And I think Tyrion has a certain flair. Yeah, charisma also use Korea. So if you add those two together is value adding, right? But that doesn't sound like they have the same agenda. Well, and when you start talking about voting, and nobody can see what what I mean, my question is, show what you say you have

data, right? That's your thing, data. Where is the data to say for me to vote? You know, where show me the impact. And when I cast my vote in four years. I'll see a direct impact. Right? Yeah. Um, so then I ask myself, got Yvette and Tom have put so much work into this. They should know this movement. Um, they've never really caught it a group before. But now it's starting to look like a political group. What changed? Oh, the only thing I can think of would be money.

Cra 1866 Cra 1866, a four days and four A day Donald Trump will walk into the Supreme Court to scale back the Civil Rights Act of 1866. Okay, hold on a second. Now I do know that there was something about the Civil Rights Act but that was more in regard to believe it or not trans people. I'm not sure what else was charmed this is new to me is surprised to me what what is changing with this era? What happened?

That's the bar Alan thing. Oh, oh, his his lawsuit because he's not being carried by the big cable companies. Oh, okay. All right. And bar Allen and tone talks have been real buddy buddy. Byron Allen stepping into the onto the stage. Yes. So that's the odd thing I can see that has changed. Like I said, I've seen, um, I guess I saw the warning signs. But I always give people the benefit of the doubt. I'm always very careful about how I cast things. Because I don't want to, I want

to be a part of your solution, not the problem. But when I saw a Democratic candidate, start talking with this group. I'm like, wow, like, that's cool. But how that relationship happened? Always me say I had to ask this question. How did it happen? Yeah. Then I see a Killer Mike sit now who was a big representative of Bernie Sanders sits down and talks with Tom was taught, Tom was taught. It's like, I'm starting to see

you surround yourself with a lot of politics. Yeah. And then Barr Allen, he came in it was like, Oh, well, it's a nice thing is really you're saying got legs? Maybe I can use them to support? My my arm? Ryan from it. Right. So let me just say agenda. Let me just explain the I don't know if you have that here. I don't think so. The the, the Byron Allen case is very interesting. He has a number of television channels, I think we should call them. And they're

very black oriented, music and cooking. And you have real lifestyle type challenges. And Comcast are one of the largest cable companies in the country that hasn't been carrying them. And Byron Allen said, Well, you have to because you're violating the Civil Rights Act. Based on based on race, your you're discriminating against me based on race. So just a headline from Fortune magazine from five days ago, Comcast is challenging a 153 year old law that protects against racial discrimination.

We can't let that happen. Rights Derrick Johnson. So so this is a this is the Supreme Court. So this is going this is all the way to the top. And they're going to challenge I'm not I'm not completely familiar with the case, but they're going to chair challenge his claim that his 100% African American owned cable channel is being rejected despite Comcast caring White

owned channels with similar audience sizes. Hmm. So that's the basis of the of the of the case and somebody's going to motive and like I don't want to cast aspersions on anybody. But I'm starting to see is like where, where's What am I getting from our hope? I'm very self or self

oriented and self focused. Where what what does it do for me? I think if everybody voted that way, then you will get the government to represent well the message is clear mo you're gonna get some cool cooking shows Hey, you know, there's there's worse ways to get people to vote, vote for me, and we'll give you better TV shows. So as I look at this, I can't really support aid off the group

anymore. Now native black issues. And I want you to turn foundational black American because then that seems counter aid off the group. Right. Which I have to be fair, Tariq Nasheed has says, I am not a leader. I'm not creating a political group, you know, but I don't want to be caught in the middle of it. So I'm careful like I said to be us. align with groups. And then the other thing dangerous about the group is if you start calling this a political group, right? And we go back, and you

start using words like insurgent? Yeah. Then you start getting on list. And yes, you do. Yes, exactly right. It's very dangerous. With that said, this is where we go back. There's always a portion of the show that we have to go back in time to get go back to school back to school.

There'll be EB Dwar versus Booker T. One of the first moments where Dubois comes onto the national stage is the brewing controversy between his ideas about racial progress and how to move the race for and the leading African American figure of that time period, the late 19th and early 20th century, Booker T. Washington. In the beginning, they agreed on many points about the importance of education, and

moving the race forward. It turns out, though, that because DuBois was northern born and had access to some of the best schools in New England, and really was encouraged to think broadly, it's been part of his elite graduate education being trained in Berlin, working with Max Vabre. By contrast to Booker T. Washington, who was self educated, a very gifted and talented man, but he was born as a slave. That fundamental difference certainly shaped their sense of change over time.

So here, we have two like minded individuals for the most part of what was good for black people. And all of a sudden, they start having daring ideas. Now we've spoke about web divorce many times on this show, and he was at the NAACP. And as I brought up on a couple of occasions, the NAACP chairman was not one not other than Joe spin guard. And just for people for matter of

record. Joe Spingarn was hired in May of 1918, and given them rank of Major in the Military Intelligence Division, and ran a small unit of undercover agents who was looking for proof of

subversion. So it's clear that W Ed be the boy it was, for lack of better word being steered by Mr. Spingarn, but what is little known is about tuskys mitten Hall in the United States Army office of intelligence hired a black man by the name of Mr. Booker T. Washington's vice principal to ski Institute was a paid undercover intelligence officer for the United States Army whose job was to spy Booker T. Because they were concerned that he was using to ski and they were correct in their

suspicions as a hideout for black revolutionaries a week from claim in a week from well, this should COINTELPRO right there. Yep. And so now on one side, you got the boys under Joe Spingarn. And on the other side, you have Armington. He's working at Tuskegee with Booker T. Washington. Now, Tuskegee Institute, that is where Tuskegee syphilis experiment happened, oh, yes, a fine moment in history. And it was one of the most infamous bio medical research

studies in US history. It began while Moulton handed on the Tuskegee Institute. And it says this pyramid it failed to tell participate to participants their diagnosis, and did not treat new era after penicillin was provided in 19 in the 1940s, to be effective against syphilis. And in 1932, Mr. R Mo and Wanda Spingarn Medal for the NAACP. Good work. Here's a mess. Oh,

we see the things like I say COINTELPRO. I'm not saying either one is you know, being steered in any way but what I'm saying is anytime there's positive movement in the right direction by any group, let's just I mean, because you made the point about the Tea Party. If a group does not accept it, is making traction. They're infiltrated by outside forces and steered. Was this not also what Black Lives Matter was about? Exactly. It started off as a hashtag. And then Soros money

came in. And then they start talking about how global warming affects black people. Black non black women did not mistreat black women. Pardon me, pardon me? Yes, you will. Correct. Yeah. So after Mr. M. Booker T. Washington was pushed to the side or stepped away. Web to Dubois started warring with Marcus Garvey. In a world when a black mass movement was deemed a threat to the United States. There came the tiger, Marcus Garvey, you mighty race, you can accomplish what you will, Africa

for the Africa, home and abroad. One God, one aim, one destiny then came. J. Edgar Hoover. This is a dangerous man damn radical ungrateful in an American in one of the most dangerous times in America. Marcus Garvey, codenamed the tiger attempted to organize a global mass exodus of Africans to return to their homeland only to be thwarted by American officials who used techniques of infiltration and

disinformation to destroy him. Hiring a force of black government agents J. Edgar Hoover devised an infamous counter intelligence program coin tell pro this works. We may have a model for all future organizations like this incarcerating him would not stop him. Where is the black man's government? Where's his king and kingdom? Where's the black man's president? This country? His army on this navy, provisional president of Africa? Not on my watch J. Edgar Hoover had one mission. catch the tiger.

Yeah, Marcus Garvey, I want a great story. So you may ask, how would J Edgar Hoover catch Marcus Garvey? Well, we use the first African American FBI agent. Of course. The FBI is marking the 100th anniversary of the hiring of the first African American Special Agent. It's a chapter of the Bureau's history that is not well known, but it's relevant to

what is happening inside the FBI today. CBS whose chief justice and HOMELAND SECURITY CORRESPONDENT Jeff legates was given a rare access to the Bureau's archives and two top FBI officials. He's in our Washington bureau. Good morning, Jeff. Good morning, Michelle. There are no known photographs of the first African Americans Special Agent but there is a record of

his hiring a century ago. And as we look through the FBI archives Bureau officials told us that they believe there are lessons from the past that are relevant to what is happening today inside the FBI. Inside FBI headquarters in Washington, is an archive room filled with hundreds of 1000s of documents.

In this loan application for the job of Special Agent, it was hand written in 1919 by James warmly Jones until now, the then 35 year old has been a footnote in the Bureau's history or, according to the FBI, Jones was employed exclusively in an undercover capacity working directly under J. Edgar Hoover. More black agents would follow Jones's footsteps into the bureau. And they too would work undercover in the black

community. Hoover would go on to become the longest tenured FBI director and targeting influential black Americans would become a pattern in the 50s and 60s, Hoover targeted Martin Luther King Jr. for extensive surveillance. All right, so who is the James warmly Jones of the A das movement? Well, there isn't one. And the reason why I say that is as with anything you have to evolve, right. So just the throwback clip, we had to talk about the Civil Rights Movement and the media.

As a story, the Civil Rights Movement had it all. Good versus evil, drama, social upheaval. But at first America's major media ignored it, especially in the South. It was our responsibility to find a way to dramatize the issue was Congressman John Lewis says that the movements leaders realized to bring change they needed to reach white Americans. How did you do that?

As a movement? We literally put our bodies on the line, you have influence on the Civil Rights coverage, Hank klibanoff co wrote the race beat a book about the media, and the movement, or race was a big story in the south beginning in the 40s and 50s. It's just that no one knew about it. Finally, by 1957, major northern newspapers discover the drama

and the story. How do you feel about integrated passengers that television networks followed, even major southern media paid attention to the open hatred, you got to keep the white in the black set and the violent response to peaceful protest? If you're going to beat us, beat us in the light of day, beat us by the cameras on on gov. This was Selma, Alabama, 1965. Among the bloodied John Lewis,

American people could not stand to see young children. And all women been knocked down by fire hoses and chased by police stole. All right, well, media has certainly evolved since those days. So there's many options, I guess. The way they attack on black movements now is to let it play out through the media. Yeah. As we say, in in the New York Times story, you thought no food for one to two. And then

let's spice away right, right, right. So create, so having more groups, throwing the the red meat in this case would be mainstream press coverage, letting it all scrap it out, and it's cynical man, but it's the way it's going. Now, I know there are some skeptics out there, you're like Mo, Here you go again, you know, um, but there's a guy named Mr. Lowest Lomax. And what Mr. lowest low max was able to do was to pit MLK against Malcolm X. on national television.

It has been suggested also that this movement, preaches a gospel of violence. No, the black people in this country have been the victims of violence at the hands of the white man for 400 years. And following the ignorant Negro preachers, we have thought that it was God like to turn the other cheek to the group that

was brutalizing us. And today, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is showing black people in this country that just as the white man and every other person on this earth has God given rights, natural rights, civil rights, any kind of race that you can think of when it comes to defending himself, black people should have we should have the right to defend ourselves also. And because the Honorable Elijah Muhammad makes black people brave enough men enough to defend ourselves no matter what

the odds are. The white man runs around here with the with the doctrine that we are Mr. Mohammed is advocating violence when he's actually telling negros to defend themselves against violent people. Reverend Martin Luther King preaches a doctrine of non violent insistence upon the rights of the American Nikko. What is your attitude toward philosophy the right man pays Reverend Martin Luther King subsidizes Reverend Martin Luther King, so that Reverend Martin Luther King can

continue to teach the Negroes to be defenseless. That's what you mean by non violent, be defenseless, be defenseless in the face of one of the most cruel beasts that has ever taken the people into captivity. That's just American white man, and they approved it throughout the country by the police dogs in the police clubs. 100 years ago, they used to put on a white sheet and use a bloodhound against negro. Today they have

taken off the white sheet and put on police uniforms. They traded in the bloodhounds for police dogs, and they're still doing the same thing and just as Uncle time back during slavery used to keep the Negroes from resisting the bloodhound or resisting the Ku Klux Klan by teaching them to love their

enemy or pray for those who use them. despitefully today, Martin Luther King is just the 20th century on modern uncle time, or a religious uncle time, who was doing the same thing today to keep negros defenseless in the people protect their Uncle Tom did on the plantation to keep those Negroes defenseless in the in the face of the attack of the Klan in that day. Another interesting guy very interesting never heard but for of course, this is good. First America first African American journalist.

Yes. So you bring them on television. You tell them a question. Well, what do you think about that King Guy? And they you sit back and like, you know, let it roll. Right let it roll. Now. say the same thing I said about the two gentlemen and modern day times. They could have had a conversation behind the scenes and not through the media. You because when you give it to them, as we all know, and if you don't know, when you give it to the media, they can clip it and

edit it and make it seem any way possible. So Mr. Lewis Lomax didn't stop there, because he had Mr. qinggong Malcolm X. Articulate opponents of the Black Muslim philosophy has said of your movement and your philosophy that it plays into the hands of the white oppressors that they are happy to hear you talk about love for the oppressor, because this disarms the Negro and fits into the stereotype of an ego as they need turning the other cheek sort of feature, would you care

to comment on this practice? Well, I don't think of love as in this context, as emotional Bosch. I don't think of it as a weak but I think of love as something strong and that the organize itself and powerful direct action. Those as well what I've tried to teach them the struggle in the south, but we are not engaged in a struggle, it means we sit down and do nothing. That there's a great deal of difference between non resistance to evil and

nonviolent resistance. Non resistance leaves you and leaves you in a state of stagnant passivity and Deadman complacency when nonviolent resistance means that you do resist and have a strong and determined manner. And I think some of the criticisms of non violence or some of the critics fail to realize that we are talking about something very strong and they confuse non resistance with non violence. So you saw mr. Lomax bring mount Martin on and say I use what King said about you.

Yeah, he was stirring the pot stirring the pot let him sit back. And of course I'm sure that these two gentlemen were able to sit down they could have came to some resolution but once you have the look at is the group of people looking up to these two guys. At the time, it's like now you have to choose one side or the other Right. which divides the group mate weakens the group? And like I

said, this is not exclusive to black America. Um, you see in every silver war created across the globe the powers that be go in and power and arm one sided the current conflict and lamb have it out with the other side of the conflict. And what's what's new and interestingly, different today, of course, is that arming in comes from status on social media, reach on social media. Perhaps, you know, there's some weaponization going on there with the promotion or or or D

platforming, God knows. But it's, it's it seems like a repetition of history. What if the same trick works? Yeah, you just tweak it? I mean, you just tweak it a little bit? Um, well, how come? How come tone doesn't see this? How come to read? Do they not see this or the just too wrapped up in their own movements? Well, they're human. Yeah. And ego. That's top of the list is the flaw of humans. And it gets in the way of actual, you know, progress. I'm sure MLK and Malcolm knew better but ego.

You know, it gets in the way. But what I will want everybody to do and the reason why I did this, this reason why I made this episode, because I didn't want to add fuel to the fire. Right? If we saw my counter intelligence program, or you know, you don't want to know what you're getting cast to the fire doesn't help you. What I want to do is put a blanket on the fire. Let's listen to the elders. Let's listen to Mr.

Neely fuller. That's why I use these clips. You know, he's he's warning us, they're gonna go. I'm just enough food for half of us. Let's not fight over it. Right and on the other hand, let's listen to Mr. Dr. Claude Anderson. Politics don't benefit us. Then what the hell are we doing? Politics is a very simple product process that says, I will define for you, or who's gonna get the benefits out of life is based on a simple premise, a quid pro quo,

something for something. One hand washes out it, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. You vote for me. I'll support you and do something for you. Black people, the only people that have never played politics and when is it interesting to print quid pro quo is now this incredibly dirty term based on current events with the Trump and Ukraine. wares that's exactly what what everyone should be asking for in politics. When asked for a vote. There's a quid pro

quo. Isn't it funny to saying tricks now? We're being played? No, no, it's not funny. It's disheartening. it's disheartening. Isn't it? But isn't it weird? Gestures made fun is not the right word. That we're seeing the same tactics use here. They're trying to get somebody to flip on Trump. Yeah. Is to say same thing, divide and conquer. You know, they're bringing all these guys in stone and Manafort and all the guys like, who's gonna flip? Yeah. And a US bow. He well, he said

this about Trump. He said that about Trump, when this guy leaves when he leaves when he leaves a post are relieved from his post, you know, they everything negative said about him, you know, it creates a book. So it's the same, I'm gonna say it's the same tactics. So were they hoodwinked? Yes, you have been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray run amok.

Yeah, so where does that leave you? Mo? I mean, you've been very clear that you know, you consider your now the terminology you using his native black because a Das has become too, too weighted with the with it being a group and a definition. I understand that the show is, of course doing something about that just by pointing out what's going on. But that that must be very disappointing for you to see this. It was expected? Yes. Yeah. I'm not being cynical. Well, that's,

of course. And that's why I always made the distinction. A Das. Not the group ate us. Because I saw this coming. Have it becoming a group when you start seeing chapters form, and not to say anything bad about it, but it's just black lives does matter. But I don't support the group. Right? If you get one wrong, yes. So of course, of course, where it leads me where it leads you to answer your question where it leads me at

its own code. That's where it leads me to where I've always been, if it's beneficial to my group of people where I'm all I'm all for it. I will tell you this. The Democrats are playing a very dangerous game. Yeah, could backfire very easily. Where we talked about the negative vote, you might actually create positive votes in the form of the Trump Yes. For the opposition. Exactly. Exactly. So oh, so that is interesting. So the situation as is, I'll just call it the

black vote. And with that, I mean, foundational black native black, a DOS, the definition. Being splintered. And perhaps to such a degree that everybody throws their hands up in disgust and says, You know what, Democrats Screw you, we're gonna vote for the other guy. There's a real segment of people that could possibly do that, because everybody's not blind to what's going on here. And we know who funded that New York Times article. Well, who, who

the inspiration was and who? The Democratic Party but I want to nail a name to the to the to the fence, you know, it's, it's, it's unbelievable. It's actually it's unAmerican, what's happening here? are actually well, no, well, it's it's quintessentially American. Actually, if you look at the history, because it's what's been done throughout throughout throughout the ages.

Well, I'm reading through this paper, right. And I see no mention of 2016 election Hillary Clinton, so I don't think it's her right arm because if you're gonna do what you're gonna say, you know, knows this kind of thing cost me even saying this right election right right right i mean I'm just I'm just speaking out of what observation now this thing if I had to put a name on it the Obama camp because I said with the timing of yeah his pack Deval Patrick. Whoa, yeah. I mean it's like

Bang, Bang Bang Bang. And here we are. So we should take Deval Patrick extremely serious if he has this kind of support behind him with this type of coordination. Although, I don't know how well it worked in this case. We you certainly noticed. Were you still gonna have a certain segment of people who and what they're trying to do it I think the numbers and don't quote me on these numbers, I think it was 67% turnout. They're trying to hit that number of 59. It was in 2016

with the turnout. So you just got to get it over 59. Yeah. So what they had to do now is just stop the bleeding because they're like, we go on to 50. Now we're not going to win. You they factor in you put a black candidate up, sprinkle some Obama dust on him. Or you might can get back to about 6364. Right. All right. Well, that jam. This makes this makes it even more interesting. And I have not seen this kind of analysis anywhere.

Mo congratulations on doing this. And it's complicated in this names of learning all these new things people I'd never heard of before. Yeah. Wow. Well, I guess we'll just have to keep our eye on it and see how this progresses. Because this is not over, folks. This is not over. It's just starting, and we're still waiting on the swoop. So well. The swoop from Hillary, we'll see if that happens. You know, where we have a couple other players, but yes, indeed.

Maybe she was pre spooked. Could be I mean the time and that and that'd be very old babby very O'Barry. Obama asked, you're so right, that she was ready to swoop and who swoops in? Well, you got Bloomberg. I don't know what he's doing. But Deval Patrick came out of left field he's in his packaging is almost perfect. And I say almost because the venom have an example of it. Man, his voice is is is off. He's really not windy. And I think he's a badass though.

No, he has that going for him that even? Obama did half going forward. Right. Right. Right. Right. Wow, that could be an interesting that could be a swoop on the swoop. Pretty smooth. Fantastic. Oh, thank you for for, for pulling all of that apart for us so that we could look inside into this COINTELPRO that is clearly taking place. Shame on the New York Times. But yeah, go figure

to what it is. And well, all we can do is hope for some positive developments in one way or the other Something is definitely going to play out. It always does. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself and we'll be telling you all about it right here on Moe facts with Adam curry. Remember we are a value for value podcast. Go to mo fund me.com mo e fund me.com and consider supporting The work

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