14: Victimization Mentailty

mo facts with Adam curry from November 12 2019. This is episode number 14. And it's been too long mo 14 days 14 show this I'm ready. Yeah, I gotta apologize. You know, I had to rush off to Europe had an opportunity to see my daughter who lives in Rotterdam. And Moe and I have kind of one agreement amongst the two of us as family first. So family first family first. Yeah. And then Then what happened? Then Then I had family first yesterday because my father was

in town. All right, and celebrating Veterans Day. So yes, indeed. And he's a vet. Right? Yes. served in the Navy. It's so family first again. So we're here. We're best. Let me ask you a question before we get into the episode. And I'm very excited, of course, because I know you've had you've had two weeks to get something ready. And I'd see we

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And that would be highly appreciated. Especially because there's a lot of work that goes into this Mo and I'm gonna lay that down at your feet. You've got another I presume fantastic topic and episode lined up. And then I see clips from CBS to Fox to God knows where from this has got to be a doozy. What are we doing? Alright, so as, as we talked about, sometimes you know what

the top is going to be and sometimes it is a surprise. So I would like to unwrap this show topic with the ISO device zation mentality. Top of the list victimization mentality. Nice. So this is a bleed over from the last episode we had, we're talking about Mr. Kanye West. And that was one of the sound bites we got from him. And I have to be honest with you, after last show a lot of things stuck with me. brought up some great topics. One being the term black and we met we coined a

term called Black guilt. Yes. First time you've ever heard it said in public between a mixed company. I'm thinking it might be the first time we're saying Ever. Ever. Yeah, you heard it here first that did you get it? Did you get any feedback on that specifically? Actually, I did not. Entirely not. So I think it is a real phenomenon. And, um, and it was something else you brought up

too. That stuck with me? The apologetic, subconscious apologetic thing that I did write which which led into you saying that this was a version of Black guilt? Yes, exactly. Yes. And by the way, the responses I got from people was, Oh, my God, that's so interesting. That both as kids, although it wasn't we weren't in

the same situation. But as kids, we both kind of were conditioned by our, by our, our own families, and culture and background, to be very uncomfortable with each other, which wasn't really necessary when you think about it. It wasn't, but it's the unknown. Of course, of course,

we you live when you live with expectations. And I think that's what the I don't think that's what this show is gonna really go into is understanding how that victim and victimization mentality is formed, and how it's received across, you know, across the spectrum of both groups of people. So, we got, like you said, we have a bunch of clips here. So from the last show, I had a clip slip. And I want to show an example of how victimization mentality manifests itself.

Jack Dorsey Steve Jobs, but deed is off forget about us. So that is Big Boy talking to Kanye, right? And Kanye was rattling off the people that he's come in contact with. And big boy says Don't forget about us. That was kind of interesting. Yes. It was such a short clip. Let's just I didn't set that up. Well, can we run that back one more time so we can just hear the pain and anguish in his voice when he said that Jack Dorsey Nice Steve Jobs. But deed is don't forget about us.

Yeah, you know, wow, in context is kind of like saying, you know all the big boys, they're not part of your family or something like that, I guess. Yes, I don't. You're moving on, by the way, major, major shareholder of Apple, of course, is Dre with his beats, beats acquisition. So it's not like it's just some old white gay dude at the top. It's the thought process that they're worried about. Right on.

And that's why I want to talk about when when that whether apology comes from that apology comes from not out of I feel sorry that I'm offending you is, I feel sorry that I'm free, and you're not. Oof. That's really that thought about this for 14 days, Eric, because when you said, and that's why I love this show. I love doing it. Because we get into places where no man has gone before. Yes. Especially in my mind, because I was like, I do do

that. I do apologize. But like I said, it's not out of all I'm sorry. It's not out a sense of pilot up is empathy and sympathy, because it's like, wow, you can't mentally get free, right off of the quote, unquote. And I'm not going to make it political, but thought plantation, I will refuse to be a victim anymore. But I can't bring you with me. So this is what Kanye means when he's talking about free man free man talking.

Yes, gotcha. And so let's get into the show topic. Explain what a great drug dealer does, is they make the people who buy the paraphernalia from them feel like their friends or their

buddies. It's not just a business transaction, I also care about you, we see that same dynamic between the so called black man and woman and the super liberal Caucasian here in Western society, especially here in America, what what the super liberal Caucasian will tend to do is to try to make the so called black male and female, but especially the so called black male, believe that he should always resort to his emotions, when it comes to evaluating what is going on in

society around him. Because what the super liberal Caucasian knows is that by doing that, he will always ensure that the so called black man remains a vassal to him and a servant of his and that is what the quote unquote drug dealer does with those who buy the product from him or her. They always want to

make you feel like you need what they have to offer you. You cannot replace that sensation or that high anywhere else, especially in some way shape or form that's actually going to be lifting you up and constructing you and building you up, rather than tearing you down incrementally. Wow, that's a great analogy. Who said this? Who was that speaking? This is chronicles a JR. He's a popular YouTuber. And I think he

meant he has some very great takes. And I think he explained it with this analogy between the unfree black and I don't wanna say slave because it's completely different. It's, it's unfree. You untethered. No, it's I can't steal away. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's actually they're still tethered. You're tethered? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, they can't pull themselves away from the dynamic that's been created for them. And that's like, you're a

victim. You're a victim. You're a victim. Yeah, I mean, the only way you will be heard is to be a victim, I just wanted to my own reflection on the on the Kanye show. Was, it's it's kind of sad that the way things are going today, neither of us are really allowed to have our own culture, and to have our own background and to have our own things. You know, that that it's like, Yeah, everybody's equal. But no, we're

different. We're distinctly different in a whole bunch of things, but doesn't mean that we're not equal, but that somehow that's gotten convoluted. And it's like, well, you have to have to all think the same and be the same and one of the most as I'm older now, one of the most enjoyable things is the differences and and the oddities that's what I that's what I love about this show. It's like I'm learning all kinds of stuff about my friend Moe, who has is an American has a

different background. Hey, Lottie Oh, you could, you could be from the Midwest and you'd have a different regardless of skin color. So that was that was kind of my reflection on all of this is it seems like society is not willing to just say hey, you know what? black people, white people read people, yellow people, brown people, they're they're all different. But we have some common things that makes us Americans. Where your culture is replaced. It's not like you're not it is

void. We do have a culture here in America. And it's not the American culture, but it's a culture of consumerism. Yes. Oh, wow. We replace Yes, you're right, that we replaced. Because the reason why I noticed this is well work is that it's a high tech company. And we bring a lot of people in from outside of America. Yep. Probably. India, China. Sure, yes. So when they first get there, they bring their culture. And now we're starting to hire more second gen. American slash wherever

they're from. So they were born Indian American. And there's a total this. There's this distinction there. Between the new hires that come straight from whatever country and the ones that are second gen from here and America. Sure. The second gen hold no, by Okay, um, we had a cultural festival. And the ones that came here directly from their home country dressed up in their traditional attire. Second jeans, no, no, not at all. Right. So I don't think there's a distinct it's not

distinct, just a black or white Americans. I think you have to give up whatever culture you had to take part in the corporate culture that we have here in America. Okay. So with that said, there were some going ons. Yes. Wow. We are while we were while we were away, some sabbatical went down. So I'm Brock Obama. He was at his Obama con or Obama Foundation foundation Summit. Yeah, I just call it like Obama calm it has a nice connotation. Very good.

All right. So um, and he had a clip where he called out the woke culture, you know, this, this idea of purity and you're never compromised, and you're always politically broke and all that stuff as they you should get over that quickly. The world The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff, have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids. Me. And, you know, share certain things with

you. And I think that one danger I see among young people, particularly on college campuses, Malia and I talk about this Yeah, it goes to school with my daughter. But I do get a sense sometimes now among certain young people and this is accelerated by social media. There is this sense sometimes of the way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible

about other people. And that's enough like if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn't do something right or use the word wrong verb or then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself because man you see how woke I was I called you out and I had a had an initial response to this which you probably heard on a no agenda but the more I hear it, the more questions I have about it. But for me initially, it was like

Oh, all right, good on you. Brock called I mean, there's some weird stuff in there like using a verb or I was pretty sure he meant pronoun but maybe I was wrong. But in general to say hey man, you use coming out of college you in college, do this column people out and then you know thinking that you've done your job. I kinda like that I call bullshit All right, Glenn. The reason why I say that is one he wanted to say pronoun, but he know he would have got

canceled by certain demographics. Yeah, so he's bright, his brain did a quick and used another word, right? Instead of it started another word. And you know what? The, the people that will be that would possibly cancel him. I did a quick search on the social media, you know, across social media platforms, and they picked up on it. We know what you wanted to say. Okay. Good. Oh, wrong. Wrong verb I mean, what I

mean, what is that? I mean, who calls out the mean, but I won't go there, but okay, well, yeah, that's what I thought too is that he was like, whatever. Yeah. But the reason why the main reason I call bullshit is they created the woke monster. Yeah, him. Yes. And he made whole, the whole council culture was bred out of the self righteousness that we've talked about on previous shows. They're very idealistic. And now what happens is these mosques, these little

monsters just you create it that you raised. And you think they're the kids that were 10 years old when Barack Obama took office? Well, what this 10 plus eight plus three or 11. So you got kids what is ready to vote? Yeah. Yeah, 678 years old, I made my math correct. I'm just doing it to top my head, but you created these little monsters, and now you're trying to corral them back into vote. That's what this is all about. I know, I know, Biden might not be you know, the hippest guy and all

the terminology. But we look past that. We need you to go vote. That's what this is all about. Well, yes. And I agree. I think it was it. In retrospect, it does sound like it was he was talking more about Joe Biden than anything. And that's why I told you picked up on and like I said, my BS meter is is tagged, it's pegged. But that wasn't the biggest takeaway from Obama con. Oh, for people that's not familiar, we have to remind them who the new

Holy Trinity is. In black America. I want to start by just talk giving you a little perspective of my my household in the 70s. If you were like me, growing up in the 70s, there are portraits of MLK, JFK, and Jesus hung on on a lot of folks walls. That was the Trinity. Today, the trinity of Oprah, Beyonce, and Michelle Obama could almost replace them. I you know, I could have done that from memory. But I'm glad you did it on a clip. It's more powerful. But I've been trained

now I know. I know, the old and the new Holy Trinity. I know I'm not I know I'm in. So one of the new Holy Trinity spoke to miss Michelle Obama. And let's just hear what she had to say. And Obama con. Our family wasn't unique. And that's it as we talk about Chicago, and the south side. You know, Mom always says she's the one that will keep our little heads down. It will keep us humble. She's like their million Craig and Michelle and Brock's

out there. It's just that our stories don't get told. We get caricatures because of the color of our skin because of fear, because of a whole lot of stuff. Because we don't know each other. We think that this this family this this beautiful portrait was the portrait of everybody in our neighborhood. And of all of our family members. This This was not unique. You know, everyone we knew, got up every day and did what they were supposed to. They held down jobs, they kept their

lawns mowed. They strive to give their kids good values and access to better things, which is one of the reasons we moved from Martin Luther King Drive to 74th in Euclid because my mom wanted us to have access to then what were better schools. But unbeknownst to us, we grew up in the period as I write of called white flight. Okay, white flight white flight. Yes. Are you familiar with that term? You know, I have heard this I could not define it for you. Okay, white

flight. Just in very simple terms. That's when black family start to move into the white community. And then the white people start moving out. Oh, okay. For as light or as we say, in Archie Bunker land. There goes the neighborhood. So yeah, so when I heard this, I'm like, why are you talking about white flight? white flight hasn't happened. And God 3040 years. I mean, we're talking about the 60s here when when white flight really happened. Just before Archie Bunker came on TV exactly that.

So what we have to do is unpack what she really said one, she said she left MLK Boulevard, I guess Yeah. And move into another neighborhood to access better schools. Mm. Who are you leaving? Where are you? Why is she doing black? Black flight? Well, yes, of course, that's black flight that's moving on you. Right? And so I'm just saying, I mean, when we hear these terms, um, and then also on the clip, she says, Well, all the families were like, without lived around, what are they

saying were the same. Um, but then, as they always do, the more you let them talk, she's gonna talk about the picture that they took, and who took the picture? And just see if you can catch the discrepancy in this next clip, then previous what she said in a previous clip. Where was that? What was going on? How did that picture come to be? What do you remember about it?

Well, it was. That's in our backyard. On 74th in Euclid. And these are some of my favorite pictures, because it's the first time I remember us having what was a formal photography session. But it was really the daughter of our Uncle Terry, Robbie and Terry didn't have children. He had a previous marriage that he had a daughter that was in school. And I think she had a photography project where she had to photograph a

family. And I think she picked us because we were the only the sort of full family she knew with mom, dad, two kids. Oh, so much for every family being like us. She was the only family with a full family and two kids and the yard was nice. It's really very different from what she said. Absolutely. And this isn't the same, this the same talk? Yeah, sure. In the same flow of the same interview, or sit down,

whatever you want to call it with her. Who was there was her her brother and the interviewer? Well, we'll say just referring briefly back to the previous clip, she says, we get character, character tchard. Yep. Because people don't know, basically through ignorance. And I would say there's some, I think that's fair to say. I wasn't against what she was saying there. But then this whole rap is bullcrap. She's just contradicting herself. And that's

what they do. The more you listen to him, the more they go back and forth. And I want you to bookmark that caricature thing, because that's gonna be a common thing. And as we go on for it to have, how is that caricature created? Who shapes that? Because if you don't like you say, You didn't know I mean, before you taught began to talk to me every day, you didn't know the inner workings of, of, of the black know, quote, unquote,

black community now. So all you had was what the mainstream media presented to you? A little bit from college, you know, Mike, was saying, but the inner workings? Oh, yeah, totally, totally. So from the Jeffersons the Cosby's Oh, yeah, I admit that freely. Absolutely.

And that's, that's how we learned because if you don't have the personal associations, but she goes on to talk more about white flight, that is families like ours, upstanding families like ours, you know, who were doing everything we were supposed to do, and better. As we moved in, white folks moved out, because they were

afraid of what our families represented. And I always stop there when I talk about this out, out in the world, because, you know, I want to remind white folks that y'all were running running from us, you know, because of this family, this family, this family, with all the values that you read about, Yeah, you were running from us, and you still run because we're no different than the immigrant families that are moving in the families in Pilsen the the families that are coming from

other places to try to do better. But because we can so easily wash over who we really were because of the color of our skin. Now because of the the texture of our hair. You know, that's what divides country's artificially as artificial things that don't even touch on the values that people bring to

life. And so yeah, I felt I feel a sense of injustice. And you know, this when you're young, you know, people are running from you, you know, and you can see it, you can see it all of a sudden we because we grew up with friends of all races when we first moved in, Rachel Dempsey and Susan yakker and I, you know, you had friends of all races we played together. There

were no gang fights. There were no territorial battles, but yet, one by one, they pack their bags and they ran from us, and they left communities in shambles. Wow. It's quite the accusation there. What happened if ever When I was hanging out and having a good time, then all of a sudden they start moving out. This is confusing to me. We're gonna get there, well, we're gonna get there. But let's just unpack the logic of what she's saying. So she lived in

one community and had to be all black. I mean, we had to make that before she moved into the white community. So it was okay for her and her parents to leave one community behind because of that element that was in that community to move to another community, right. And they you say, well, we moved here as good upstanding black folks, you know, salted the earth black folks wish they wish they are. I'm not understand poopoo on that. But then the white people just suddenly move because they

saw you come in. Okay, so they left. who replaced them? Well had to be black P logically, yeah, logically would have to be black people. Yes. So now you're uncomfortable with being around your own kind of game that you tried to run away from? Who really has I mean, when you say we we need to use some logic here. I think she's you ran from your own people, which I mean, I can say we if you live in a poor neighborhood, I'm gonna stop,

stop, stop, because you just said the key word. Because the Obamas now live in a predominantly white neighborhood in Washington, DC, and no one's running away from them. This is this is the difference between poor and rich. You know, it's a class. It's an income. It's a it's a wealth issue. I don't think it's much of a race issue. It certainly doesn't seem that way when people are all fat and happy. Well, what she's saying is about in the 1960s and 70s, when she

was a child, yeah, this is this era. That's why I say she's going back with I don't understand why she's going back that far. But we do because exactly what her husband was talking about. This, you know, this call virtue signaling. Oh, you know, she goes and feeds the animals. She feeds it red meat. Yeah. Like, oh, I remember white flight and when they rent from us, no, but okay, what do you want to hold people by the same standard? You did the same thing? Yeah.

Because they filled up with black people. Apparently, it was time to leave. Right. And then soon as the vacant spots that will lead white people left behind federal black people. The neighborhood became bad again, Bob, I hurt my heart definition. Yeah. You just gotta listen to her. So as I always do, you gotta go back. Here we go. We had to get context to white flight in Chicago in 1969. The Cabrini Green Project is what public housing has come to

symbolize in Chicago for more than a quarter of a century. But in an effort to disperse the city's poor who are mostly black, the new public housing proposals call for construction of duplexes, two storey townhouses, three story apartment buildings, all of these scattered in the

predominantly white areas of Chicago. This lot on Kaminski Avenue was one of 275 sites identified under federal court order by the Chicago Housing Authority for low income families would have a duplex on a street of single family homes, and the homeowners are obviously upset.

All I got to see is all the do gooders. All the people are always telling us what to do. They don't practice what they preach on it, they go over there and put them by their neighborhoods, they won't do it. They're always telling us what to do. Or we have a few rights of around. Value of everybody's property. What do you think? Why do you

see those other projects that he didn't take care of? We're gonna go tell me, you have the stage, you're gonna go there, they're gonna go there to their minds will get used to live with them. What else can you say? Wow, I'm having like a time warp. I'm hearing this same report today. This exact same report can be played today, if you didn't make you love that guy out of it. But it's this same report.

And this is the problem I have with forced integration. If you want to fix the problem, let me I know that triggered a lot of people when I said that, but instead of the fixed in the communities that the black people were in, or spread out, you know, spread them out amongst into white communities. How would that how does that work? I don't understand how that solves the problem. If the schools are bad and black, quote unquote, black communities, why don't you put the resources

there to fix the schools? Why would you why would you want to nail this is how they were blessing. And the reason why I say that is I have a personal perspective of this because my father, he went to all black all black schools up until his senior year. And they may force him and his classmates to integrate. Right? He hated it. Now, yeah, that's kind of universally accepted that there was not a great idea what was going on.

But that's not the M. V vision that when we always talk about what fact is and what they what they paint as the story, the story is all black kids are dying to go to white schools, you know, um, and that just wasn't the case. Be like, why he would just say, it's the life. We want to have more resources. Now schools might like my dad would say, we just want better textbooks. And yeah, not being shipped off into some other hood absolutely makes no sense.

And that's what they did with this case in Chicago. Let me let me just say this, this is early white guilt. And I recognize this not that I have it, but I recognize this this I recognize is, well, we should we should be sharing what are our wealth with the poor black people? We should, we should bring them here given them equal opportunity. It's completely corrupt. I mean, it's, we said we'd say crooked thinking in the Netherlands, it's bad translation. But it's, it's

it's, it just makes it's dumb. It's dumb. I can one, go ahead. Here's the logic, I think. And like I said, I'm not a white person. So I think that white people didn't have that thought of, if we they're too concentrated. If we can dilute them out, you know that then they'll assimilate better. I think that's the real that's a very unpopular thought. No, no, no. No, we can, you know, we can spread them out. You know, we can influence them.

Will there be a good influence on them? You watch, right? They can change it can get better. He can still awesome. civilize them. Yes. They're just feral over there. Let's bring them Oh, my God. Mo. That's, that's horrible. Now that exposed me to this fallacy as nasty. And that's their real racism. Yes. Yes. Yes. Victimization mentality. Totally. Is not that we give them chalk and blackboards and take the lead plank pain out of your schools and, you know,

getting Hey, I ate some lead paint to as a kid. Yeah. Proper resources, then they can't thrive. No, no, no, no, no, let's we'll have none of that. No. Oh, wow. Yeah, this is this is very racist. It's been a while you system and that's what systemic racism and it's to this day, they're still doing this shit in Austin. And it's yeah, sometimes it's black people. Sometimes it's homeless people. It's still the same. It's the same thinking.

Yes, yes, yes, exactly. And we can, like I said, civilize them. We know we got there to concentrate. But when you have people run away, that's the part I don't understand you. And we'll get there. But let's just get to, um, what the tenements were like at the time, in Chicago. Most of the adults who live in the tenement on South Ellis Avenue were born in rural areas of the South, they came to

Chicago looking for a better way of life. They came to the south side of the city, because they found that this was a place where negros were permitted to live. They came here without much education or sophistication in the ways of the city. They came here poor, about all that they brought with them, where their hopes and their dreams, Bill staples, and his wife Gloria came from Alabama.

Gotta dream you know, everybody have a dream, and you dream of going in a place to make good to make it better for my family, and better education for my kids. These are the prime reasons I came up. Now is this is this true? This is the tenements where all the work, quote unquote, poor black people from the South. Yes. So what you had was you had three, um, three mass movements of black people over maybe a 40 year period. From the south to

the north, I think beginning in 1914. I want to I want to say because I did a video on this a long time ago, so I'm worn out memory here, but it was called the great migration. So what happened was the change in agriculture in the south and then also the rise and racial tensions that were inflamed, drove a lot of people black people out of the south and into the north cities like Detroit, Chicago, um, I mean, wasn't it the North that really freed everybody and we have compassion for you slaves?

Yes, that's that was that's the myth. And like I said, I did a video on this. And the north. And this is just a sidebar. Everybody knows the story about Emmett Till, right? I mean, he was killed and cotton fan was put around his neck. He was thrown into the river for Western and a white woman, right? Yeah. Everybody knows that narrative. That's the South. We're in the north. Nobody talks about, like black kid that was stoned to death on a segregated beach in Chicago.

He actually floated all his wrath from the colored section to the white section. And white people threw stones at him in the water, and he drowned. But that's just go to show you. That's not. Let's keep that under a nice little box. Yes, you're better than that. Yeah. All right. So I'm just going to show you that. But yes, we had a lot of people moving for the South. And they didn't find the opportunities that they were looking for. Because what

happened is that they will move to the slums. You were separated from your family with a total different change in culture, because you have people from the South, they have a background and strong family structure and units. And you're segregated and you're isolated in these tenements. So this just gives you a perspective of what was going on at Chicago at the time and add a little no man in the house to it, and you got a beautiful situation.

Well, that was the thing about everything in this story of the tenements. This is a CBS News special for 1967. It was on like two black fathers out at seven families in that ah, and it was really like a rundown. Multiplex is what you want to call it. We I was like only two of the families and this was one of the fathers. And you know, and these guys, they weren't hard. I mean, they didn't have a lot of education, but they weren't hard. And they moved their families. Oh, I wish I'm not

saying that. But we always the people that should be fighting for us run. And they try to force their way into white society or the liberal mindset that tries to force them into white society. There you go. So at the Obama Foundation, Obama con, they also had another guest, Miss Ava DuVernay. And she had a very interesting take on media, film lover. And for me, it really goes beyond the idea of

cinema, it goes into the idea of the image. You know, there's a reason why we use the term your mind's eye, you know, we think and remember in images in pictures, right. And so film is just an artificial rendering of what's actually inside here. You know, I mean, it's a little different than music, it's a little different than, you know, then then even sculpture, you're we're recreating life in cinema. we're recreating stories that you remember things that you're tapping into things that really

seep into your DNA and become a part of you. And so, you know, the power of images has been used to distort and malnourished, but it also can be used to, to nourish and to grow us. And so that's what I'm looking for whenever I start a project. Well, okay, hard to argue that, that takes place, but I would add some propaganda and other things into it. When it comes to well. Yeah, that's what is used for propaganda, and actually say, is used to recreate, recreate, like,

she said, corrupt? She said, Oh, yes, you nourished it. But you know, and this is the caricature that that was spoke of. A lot of the images that we see of quote unquote, black people are negative, but who signs up to play those roles? Nice. I mean, and we would just stop saying, I'm not going to play a robber in law and order law and order a murder or, you know, um, those kinds of roles, stereotypical roles. Yeah, the stereotypical

roles but we it's people this always willing to take that. So the reason why I brought this clip up is this white flight. Black people moving into white spaces, was a popular theme of a very popular play turn movie called A Raisin in the Sun. And Lorraine Hansberry is Raisin in the Sun. A younger family of five lives in a tiny dark infested apartment on Chicago's South Side, sometime between 1945 and the present of 1950.

Denine the whole family eagerly awaits a $10,000 life insurance check for the work related death of big Walter Mama's husband and the family's patriarch Walter Lee younger, a dissatisfied chauffeur in his mid 30s wants to invest in a liquor store. In the introduction, he mentioned news of another bombing, and he talks finances with his wife Ruth, Ruth and beneatha Walters younger sister both recognize mama as the one in charge of the

insurance money. As the rising action begins, Walter tries to convince her to finance his investment, but Mom was against selling liquor. She wants to support beneath his plan to attend medical school. She's also thinking about buying a house. The family encourages beneath it to pursue her wealthy suitor George Murchison, but beneath that find some shallow another suitor Nigerian classmate, Joseph a soggy helps Bonita explore her African heritage. The check arrives and

Ruth reveals she's pregnant with an unplanned child. To Mama's dismay, Ruth has scheduled an abortion. In the climax, Mama uses part of the settlement money to make a down payment on a house. Ruth is at first overjoyed, but then shocked to learn the houses in Clyburn Park, a white neighborhood. Is this a play that is that you're exposed to growing up? Oh, yes. So, so much so that my father actually played in a community at the community art center. He played Walter in his

play. Okay. So, um, um, they read done it, they, they ridden it, I think three times. The latest being with Puff Daddy playing Walter. Oh, man, this is on Netflix. I can just watch this after the show. It should be on Netflix. I know. It's on YouTube. So I wanted to find out find it. Yeah. But the original one has it he said in the party a in it. So it was it was a very big deal. Um, it won the C akoni. One award. A Choni. a Tony Award. It won a game actually. Let's see I have my notes. Yeah, it

was award winning play. It was based off Mikey and he uses a famous poem poem a dream differed from the line does a what happens to a dream deferred? Does it dry it like A Raisin in the Sun? So that's it came from that era. Ms. Lorraine Hansberry, the one that wrote this play. She has a history with actually dealing with try to integrate into white communities. She was actually part of the Supreme Court case.

Hansberry versus Lee and this is where the Hansberry family they, um, they were struggling to move into the Washington Park subdivision and Chicago. So all of this is connected in a way. This is really like the one of the driving forces to say, oh, yeah, we can move into these communities. And let's just go to clip to Mrs. Johnson. The neighbor stops by excited for the youngers move, but also scared of the violence the likely face from Chicago is white folks. Walter stops going to work and he

drinks. When mama ceases deterioration, she gives him control over the remainder of the money. She tells him to put some aside for beneath his education and to decide himself what to do with the rest. We see an immediate change in Walter and Ruth decides to keep her baby while the youngers excitedly pack. Carl Lindner visits a white representative of the Clyburn Park welcoming committee in the falling action, and uncomfortable but polite Lindner says he wants to start a

dialogue. But it's soon clear the neighborhood residents want to buy back the House to prevent integration. Walter Ruth and beneatha angrily reject the offer and ask Lindner to leave soon after Walters fellow investor Bobo reports that Willie Harris has skipped town with their investment money. Walters as well as beneath a share. And raged mama begins to beat Walter. The family now in need of cash consider staying in

the apartment. And upbeat hopeful a soggy debates the possibility of progress with beneatha A saga I asked her to move with him to Africa to work with him to help improve the lives of his people. at his lowest, Walter calls Carl Lindner to accept the buyout beneath us ready to disown her brother, but mama and assists. Walter needs their love now more

than ever. In the resolution, Walter instead tells Lindner they plan to move into the house after all, as movers load the truck, bonita says she's thinking about going to Africa. Mama tells Ruth that Walters finally come into his manhood with hope, as well as dark uncertainty about integration. The play closes with the youngers vacating their apartment and going to their new house so, so this is a comedy depressing, it's a, it's a mellow drama. Yeah. You have these pieces of, quote

unquote, art. Every generation spoke of a Color Purple, that was in the 80s that shapes and molds black culture. And a certain way this came out this play was in 19, or late 1950s. This movie was in 1961. And like I said, this was a play that was done. I was had to be six, seven years old. And I think 86 My dad played the role of Walter and, and the communities that are in play. So it had real sticking power. And it had real cultural impact of black people not wanting to build up their own

communities now. The talented 10th the top, you know, achievers move out. And that's how you get the ghetto. As people say, I said it that way, but I like how you saw that. Yeah, the ghetto the ghetto. Yeah, that's, that's how you get it? Because it's like, okay. No Child Left. What was it? No Child Left Behind? If you're a top performer, we move you to a good school. Affirmative action. Affirmative action. Yeah, so it's like, and then you self

segregate yourself? Yes, I guess segregated from your own calm basically. Let me let me to the point. The point you make here is how influential media and a play is media. A book is media how influential artistic culture is. And of course, it's the same for for white people. There's a lot of influence from artistic

culture. But it sounds like and I can't wait, I can't wait to see A Raisin in the Sun. It sounds like there's a lot of similarities with the modern day version, which I mentioned it before would be the Jefferson's. I mean, this was the what I grew up watching. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's not exactly the same, but it's similar similar as and we're moving on up to the east side. You know, George Jefferson has got a big big ass chip on his shoulder. You know, it's kind of it's a version of that.

I think the time is the only thing that would be different. And because these people were forced themselves into environments where they were not wanted. And that's what I can't say I I fully understand if I didn't live it. But why would you want to force yourself to somewhere where you know, you're not wanting, you're going to be faced with violence and hate. From a white perspective, I'm going to give you this because

this is how I was taught. From a white perspective. I was taught to view someone who did that as heroic and brave and righteous. That makes sense. I can understand how people can look at that. But I'm just telling you that's that's my my background in this particular store, not how I feel today. But how I was brought up the poor I can't understand I want to exam stick on this point

too long, but and this is what perplex a lot of us. Do you hate being around your own that much will go into harm's way just for a better schools. I mean, it's just like when you see the line, and it's like, this is this common scene and civil rights. Videos of a little girl walking in the white people yelling on both sides. You're saying, display? Well, bloodlust? Yes. would use this gesture children to that over instead of improving your own community. That's the part I can't

understand. But I guess I don't want to belabor that point too much, but even on a set of raising their son, there was trouble.

In the play. The story was told from the mother's perspective which party I disagreed with from the start his character makes a few decisions which he felt could show a black man in a negative light if the audience couldn't understand where he was coming from, why to voice his opinion, and this led to a clash between him and Claudia McNeil. We argued constantly, he later said, claiming that MacNeill hated him. Yeah, well, Sidney Poitier was a smart man. He had a lot to say.

And may understand, only a black man can understand how things are going to be viewed. But as I've said, on previous shows, where the sacrificial lamb, it's like, yeah, they get shot dead in the street. But then when people make protests, they talk about intersectionality. And all these other topics. It's like no, or they will, like I said, go back to Color Purple, they'll

paint the black male as the oppressor or the problem. And I think Sidney Poitier picked up on this, that they actually treated Walter as a child, really, I mean, I mean, because if you listen to the previous clip, they say, oh, yeah, he finally came to his man. Yeah, he was a 30 year old man. Right. Right. Right. So, so so your, your question is, and of course, you know, I was alive back then. But you know, the 67 not not much before that

is what was going on. What was it? I mean, I guess you're saying is it must have been really bad in the in the get toe? Well, I will say this, and I have to disclose this one piece of information. Miss Hansberry was close with Paul Robeson and WB Dubois of the NAACP, that was ran by the FBI agent spin guard. It's propaganda. It's totally it's totally propaganda. Yes. Well, you start tracing these threads back. And as the show as people, more people, let's listen to the show.

Sometimes go back and listen to old shows. Because then you'll get context of what we're saying. Now. These things don't have to happen in a vacuum. No. And I just got it's just, it's as if and uh, maybe I'm jumping ahead. So stop me before I kill again. But you and I have both been propagandized by a big media machine that in all likelihood was in collusion. And had this grand idea and, and I got propagandize, you got propagandize and it really created a bunch of shit

out of everything. And then the was it the last show where we talked about how the civil rights movement or two shows ago I'll lose track, but how the civil rights movement was televised in a way? Oh, yeah, that didn't even didn't even Claudette didn't even show the real first person who sat in the front of the bus. I mean, all of this stuff was completely manipulated, or selectively presented.

Yes. So these memes and thought patterns are shaped through MIDI and fed to people that are looking for themselves on the screen. We all we all do that. That's why we have different genres of music. That's why we have different television shows it because we want to see somebody that we can identify with. One of those shows being good times, and we will see one meme that was pushed in this next clip on Good Times. Never walked away from a test before. Tell us what's really bothering you,

Mama. They don't know it. But the IQ exam was nothing but a white racist test. Michael How could it be a white racist test? All schoolchildren take it of all colors. Yeah, but this one was given by the white people made up by white people and even graded by white people. It doesn't tell you how smart you are just a white you ah, that's facts. Questions on a test like this, complete the following phrase, cup n and you have to choose from four words wall sauce, a

table a window. You know, my friend Eddie put down a cup and table because in this house, they don't have no sauces to put onto the cup. When I was a kid when I have no sauces to put on the table and get this question, a mother father until children live in a five bedroom residence. The mother and father sleep in one bedroom and each of the two children has a room to himself. How many guests bedrooms are there left? Now how many kids in the ghetto even know what a guest bedroom?

Yeah I just moved to the Netherlands so I'd never really saw a good times. Of course I've seen some this is very Very, very telling, especially knowing who produced all this. Well, we're gonna get there for the people that this is your first time listening. Um, but John Amos, this is a throwback

clip. And similar to city of Sydney party a when he brought up negative images of how black people were being shown on these TV shows, or as this didn't city, poor daysailer status, erasing the sun, they were met with a pushback, the differences we had on that show and we had a number of differences, as evidenced by my early departure from the show was I felt that with two other younger children, one of whom had to aspire who aspired to become a Supreme Court justice,

that would be Raph Carter, or Michael and the other. Bernadette Stannis I think she aspired to become a surgeon. And the differences I had with the producers of the show was that I felt too much emphasis was being put on JJ and his Chicken Hat and saying dynamite every third page, when just as much emphasis and mileage could have been gotten out of my other two children in common and jokes, and, you know, humor that could

have come out of that. But I wasn't the most diplomatic guy, like I said, In those days, and they got tired of having their lives threatened over jokes. So they said to tell you what, why don't we kill him off, and we'll get on with it. We'll get on with our lives. Life's too short. So that taught me a lesson that I wasn't as important as I thought I was, to the show, or to Norman Lear's plans. And he was not about to have a disruptive effect, a disruptive factor.

And I do want to mention, this is a throwback clip. This is one of the few podcasts that I would say it's worth going back and listening to every single one we've done, because they do kind of build on each other. And it just every one is worth it. By itself, though, that aside. Thank you, Norman Lear still active today. Envy, envy. Me meme that they pushed in the previous clip of the good times is standardized test. Yep.

Cautiously bias. Yeah. And that hat thing has legs. We've heard it even up until when I got ready to take the LSAT that the LSAT was culturally bias. And before we play the next clip, I heard you chuckle at Chicken Hat. Yeah. And before we did, when we did the lat that show you didn't show cool. So that goes to show you people when you listen to the older shows, yeah, you understand? Yeah, you pick up stuff. Why that was a problem

to James Amos. Yeah, I mean, excuse me, John Amos. But as I said before, even me growing up. When I was growing up, the LSAT was seen as a racist or biased test. And now the LSAT has done things to overcome that. And the College Board will start assigning an adversity score to all students taking the PSAT to capture their social and economic background. It's meant to help admissions officers

account for any disadvantage stemming from those factors. The score is calculated using 15 factors including the crime rate and poverty, poverty levels from the student's neighborhood. The formula does not consider race colleges will see the scores when reviewing applications. 150 institutions are expected to use this test this fall. David Coleman is the CEO of the College Board. He is here to discuss the organization's new approach and its response to the massive college admissions

scandal. Good morning. Good morning. Good to see you. So you've probably seen this one critic in the New York Times said, if the LSAT needed a sophisticated, conventional or contextual framework to make it valid, then that's a sign that it's not a good test. So why did the college board decide to create the adversity test? What the LSAT is, is a valid measure of your achievement? What have you learned in reading and math? How ready are you for

college? But what it doesn't measure alone is it doesn't measure what you've overcome the situation that you achieve that and what we can do with this context data. You see how resourceful you are? Have you done more with less. So to be clear, it's not really a personalized adversity score. It's the general context of your school and neighborhood. And what it's really aiming to do is highlight those resourceful

students. Let me give you an example. A college that we partnered with just letting a young woman from Mississippi, she happens to be a rural white young woman in a very small school, and her SATs score was pretty much average with the other applicants. But what they found when they looked at it in context is it was 400 points higher than any other kid scored at her school. The neighborhood either world she lived in was rife with poverty. It's a small school without a lot of advanced

opportunities, but she made the most of it. So we're saying the SATs shows you achievement. But what it can't show alone. Is your resourcefulness, doing more with less You know, whenever I hear someone talking like this, it sounds to me like they're just an incredible douchebag. Man, cheese, so that guy could run for any political office as a Democrat, right there.

So the adversity score. So if you get a, say a 1200, and you come from a decent background, and another person comes from a poor neighborhood with high crime, and they get a 1200, they're graded on a curve. Right? How does that help? I don't understand how that helps. What that does is feed into the victimization mentality. Exactly. Yeah, so I'm so sorry, your will give you a chance. And yeah, the thought process is, I'm sure lining good

intentions. But when you get to that school, they'll be like, oh, what you made on the SATs? Oh, yeah, I got a 1200. And the average score, there's like a 15. I don't know what the scores are now. But they say the average score is 15 1600. What are you doing here? You don't belong, right. So you're creating an environment for that person? To be ostracize, instead of taking the data and saying, okay, these communities are the poor communities with high crime. Let's fix the source of

the problem. Oh, no, no, no. Take the cream, the cream of the crop. Just oops, you just skim that off? Here we go. Come here. Yep. So that means the only people that are allowed to make it out of those poor crime ridden communities audit. Academic elite? Yes. Now, who's the real elitist? Who's the real? I mean, who I mean, that's a bigoted mindset. They'll say, Oh, well, you can't make their threshold. So you You're doing

too poor schools? This is the flip side of that coin of victimization mentality, the people that support this thought process. And that oh, well, you said something important. Important, is I think that, you know, the people who are speaking about this, and who put these programs in place, sadly, I think a lot of them were of good heart. They meant well, but you know, what bugs me and I'm not going to say it anymore, is that I see the same thing happening. And we have the results, historical

data to show that this is just not the way to do it. So that's really weird. It's like, you know, that it's the definition of insanity. Okay, let me Alright, so I'm gonna give you my perspective on why I think this deadly combination of good intentions from the good hearted liberal people. And then you have the elite of the sad group. It works for them, because it's like, oh, yeah, help us. And they will, you know, will help the people

down there. Oh, definitely. We, we want to trickle down, trickle down. Yeah, no, I told you. Yeah, no, yes. I completely understand what you're saying. So it's trickle down. And it's like the good news. And that's why I was saying before, if you get the middleman out of the way. That's why people wonder why oh, why he's focused so much energy on the Boulais, quote, unquote, Boulais, or the black elite, because they are behind the shade on the jar. They're

running the show. They are the lid on the jar, and they function that they're the gatekeeper or whatever you want to call. Yeah, it's fine. The only way you make it out is through us through us through us and you had to be exceptional. That's the only way if you're exceptional edge, putting a ball through the hall or running a ball or dancing or singing or intelligence or whatever your kids get into the club. If not screw you stay down there. You will be the victim that will

lobby off of it's the same thing with homeless. We don't want to fix the homeless problem. We got to million dollar billion dollar scheme fix on going here. We don't want to fix global warming. We got a billion dollar scheme going here. It's like we need the problem. Per Se problem reaction solution. Yes. So I'm Gail from the show. Um, she chimes in about the sa

t. Yeah. So then that's, that's the point you're trying to make I hear is that it's really about putting it all in context, it's calling it the adversity score. Some people will say it should be called the privilege score. Yeah, I think calling the score is kind of a mistake, if you

don't mind, it's really a general background. So every kid in the same school or same neighborhood gets the same background information, we use no personal data, don't colleges have access to that information, already have some data. And you're right, this is really making what colleges already do a lot better. We've long agreed in American education, that we should recognize students who

have defied the odds to accomplish our mistakes. And so they try to use school profiles, they try to use a jumble of evidence, and all we're doing is providing that in a more fair way. So schools that might not have as much resources to make their profile and might not be as well known to admissions officers can be seen in the same light so that they can witness the neighborhood in which students grow up. And really all this is about is there is so much more talent than we can see

than by using scores alone. You know, David, you say it's a valid measure of achievement, a lot of people would think and these are people who would probably not have adversity that could count against them. They think it's a valid measure of your ability to cram for an idiosyncratic test. And so they get their kids into the, you know, various study

programs, people are thumbing through books going crazy. What about that criticism of the SAP, it's a pretty old fashioned picture of the old sap in 2014. We revised the test and partnered with Khan Academy to make the best of test preparation free for the world. Now, 30 seconds after taking the exam like the PSAT, you get a personalized study plan for free, and you practice just what

you need to get better at and reading and math. This is not a mysterious test to test a few core math skills use over and over again, and your ability to read with confidence. Ooh, man, what a program. So how is the test racist? When the man just said it takes a test, core math, right? And your confidence in

reading, core math and your competence and reading. But when you have things like what we saw with the IQ test, and these standardized tests are culturally biased, they grow legs, they evolve over time, then it becomes SSA T is racist. Now, Adam, I want to I want to ask you something. X away my friend, you x all the hell you want my brother. What would be the one subject of education that you would think

is universal? Well, there can only be one truth and the only truth I've been taught is in numbers, mathematics is truth. One is one, zero is zero. And that's it. There's just there's just truth in mathematics. No, math is racist. The opposite of Donald Trump is an Asian man who likes math. Andrew Yang may want to rethink that catchphrase, because

apparently, math is racist. Seattle's public schools are considering a proposal that would mix social justice in with math, including studying how math has been appropriated by Western culture, and that math itself is racist. And Alessia Parson is a sociologist and educator, who agrees with the premise of the proposal, and joins me now. All right, so And let me let me just see where I'm confused. So you understand what's going on? I am bad at math. And if math is racist, and

I'm also white, does that make me too dumb to be racist? Or not? Racist enough to be good at math? Not racist enough. Jesse. That's such a long conversation. First of all, remember Dr. Alessio Parson Yes. So please don't refer to me by an but I appreciate it. Okay, so apologize. Oh, whoa, well back off. Okay, so when is she blocked this? This doctor? No. Okay, give me even better. What's wrong with her? Okay, so my math is racist. Yeah, I

still don't know. I mean, hopefully I'll learn I'd love to understand. And before we get into clip to just another personal my father, he would not tolerate a bad grades and math. Because he would say the one thing you can say language or you know, you can make these cases or, you know, context language and it can be subjective. But um, math is pure. You said it yourself. One plus is plus one plus one is two, whether in China or India,

wherever you have one egg you give a person another egg. They have two eggs seems large, but math is racist to tell me why math is racist doctor? Yes. So you it's funny on November 6 2016, I was at a conference on statistics. And I raised my hand and I was like, Are you telling me statistics are racist? And that was what, almost three years ago? And I was really confused when I asked the question and spent years reading about many different

things. Have you Jesse red Native Son, which I gave you last time we met. I read it in high school, but I have not reread it since the last time you gave it to me. But what does that have to do with is math racist? So the critical race theory and is a framework for understanding the world that helps us understand that this entire country is racist, right? We have a white supremacist pasts, racial caste system in the United States.

For once, right, are you saying that all white people in America are racist? Yeah, I am, too. Sometimes it happens. We were socialized. Right? The process of socialization and learning about social norms. So you're, you're a racist. Occasionally it happens. I usually apologize it when I realized that how are you a racist? What do you think makes you superior? Josie, that question doesn't make sense.

Well, isn't racism the belief that one race is inherently superior than another race and then you discriminate against other races? That is a piece of racism. But you get the definition that's really old. Oh, language evolves over time. Race and white supremacy? What are white race and white supremacy today? Yeah, okay. They are structures that affect us all. So people do things that are racist all the time, myself included, because we don't realize that's happening, like microaggressions.

Okay. Oh, okay. Well, that makes sense. I'm sorry, I didn't get the memo. I still go by the Merriam Webster definition of racism, which I will quote, prejudice discrimination or antagonism directed against someone every different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Well, now I understand why everyone's being called a racist. It's different now. I just can't find the actual definition. But all right, what is it? And did you catch the irony here? Because he's very,

very rich. If you didn't, I'll tell you what. There was a lot going on there. Go ahead. Tell me that I need a washy saying validates while the sa t language portion will be racing, by definition. By definition. New difficult, will you will you change though debt, the definition of our words at a whim? Yeah, people don't get the memo. I go into thinking you mean one thing that I've studied on you change it to mean something else. I'm out of the loop of what is in vogue.

Mmm hmm. Oh, my God. This is I mean, this is so current for me. I mean, I just got called out for being a misogynist and a racist for making fun of the way some in particular, the way some people talk. Important, I made a joke about I'll still make a joke about it. Because apparently old white man must shut the EFF up because language change and you're in the way.

I'm like, Okay, well, let's if that's settled science, like, you know, there's words change gay used to mean something else, you know, eventually we all accept it, but it has to go through a little process. And then we have these crazy things called dictionaries, which then define it and say, Okay, here's the new meaning of the word and I'm okay with that. But you can't just do that and say, You're just you're just old fashion. That's an old definition. You don't know what

you're talking about. This is an outrage. And you know what? She coined a new term a boy that occasional racist. I'm occasionally racist. I try to be racist on Saturdays. I'm working on Sundays as well. Oh, it explains well, I hopefully that she can give us a little better explanation of what racist is because I know what it's not not. So it's not It doesn't occur when you just think that you are superior to a different race. It happens apparently, in other cases, I'm sure you all know,

how is two plus two equals four? How does that discriminate against black people or brown people? One stick plus two stick. Humans were like, Hey, here's a stick. Here's another. I just did some math, that was not racist. We're on the same page with that. Okay, one plus one equals two. Yes. Okay. Humans have then used math and numbers and statistics and all sorts of ways from counting black and brown bodies as they made them property and brought them over to these

lands. Much more recently, scholars who said that white people were more intelligent than people of color. That's called Scientific racism, the use of statistics and tools to construct the idea that it's like something deep in our brains, it's hard to recognize and that's why it requires time Jesse, I asked you a question. Just because people more than two years to get here slavery, does it make counting racist? Do you understand something can be

related to each other, but not a causation? Do you understand what I mean? Do you understand what statistics is? I think I do. I'm not understanding though. If you understand, that's the point. Doctor, I run, I have to run, doctor, maybe we could do this again sometime. And you could explain it to come to the Democratic debate or Milwaukee next year. Thank you. Okay, she's just the Oh, f her hold on a second. Stop this show. Now you've got me got me all riled up now. Thank God

water said, Wait a minute is counting racist? Thank you. I was gonna ask about that. So. But here's what she did. She brought it into the second clip, she did it. She brought in statistics. And what I've learned about statistics, is

there's lies, damn lies, and statistics. And statistics, statistics is not just math, it's math based on variables, and known as the N while the N factor is what I'd call it interesting in this context, where were you where you have an n, which is a number that you know, will offset your margin of error, which is how polling is done. And we know how polling works, you know, sometimes doesn't work very well at all.

Ergo, the 2016 election. And then it turns out that all she's here is to do like, Epstein didn't kill himself and yell out at the end put me on the debate. I want to be there. I'll shut up for a second that got me riled up mo to em. Hey, black man. Yeah, one stick plus Tuesday. Three. And let me now let me count the black man now we're getting racist. Not as hard for you to understand what your three fifths of a brain Oh my man, man, man, man. So okay,

so this is what I hear. When I hear crap like this. It's like, why are you talking to me? Like I'm an idiot? Who can't learn math. Especially talking about basic arithmetic. We're not talking about when you get into calculus in those days because you know, there's something totally different but basic math but no, math is racist. And you can see the the decline and we went from the IQ score, the IQ test to the LSAT now all the math is racist. For brown and black man, he can't get his head

around. One place. One stick plus one sit, you got to stick I mean. I mean, it's, um, we're laughing but I'm laughing kind of out of severe sadness that this is going on. This is new. This is now this is what maybe maybe two months ago. I don't know when this Yeah, this is two months ago. This is when we're in the presence right now. So we went to the past just so everybody know, along the timeline. We're out of the 60s, we're out of the

70s. Now we're in real time. Um, but this is what happens when you get a bunch of intellectuals sitting around. You know, just blowing smoke, for whom by the way, white guilt has been jammed up their butthole all their life, apparently. Uh huh. Does that mean and this happens in colleges universities ever rewear that's the breeding ground? Yeah, it's the breeding ground of the god. Well, I wonder what it could be. I wonder why the colors, color learn and you know, it must be my fault.

Right. But I will say this is not a white phenomenon because we have Miss Imani Perry. She's a famous author. Ah, she wrote a song breve a letter to my son's. So I'm just gonna read really briefly and then we'll jump into conversation. And this is in the midst of writing to my son's there are fingers itching to have a reason to cage or even slaughter you. Oh, my God. What hate for beauty this world breeds. They say they are afraid. I do not believe it is

fear. It is bloodlust. People will say I'm being melodramatic they have. But police kill middle class black children and adults to not with the same frequency. But class is no prevention. It is a reduction of the odds at fast as a black mother when I read about one of those children whose lives have been snatched at first blush, I think that could have been my child. Proof did you take all that in? Yeah, you might. You know, I'm already kind of full. I don't

know if I can fit anything else in here. Okay, so Mr. Mani Perry is a black woman. She she works at Princeton. And she's like I said she the fang author, and she writes this, I guess a letter to her sons about how there's a blood list that wants to kill around every corner that's setting your kids up. That's really that's a good way to get them Go on, get them on. Good push in life. Right. So what they do is, yeah, so what they do is they see

these stories on the news. And what she said was, that could have been one of my children. Oh, we heard somebody say this before. Can I just say something? All my life. Yeah. And I would say that the best period to compare this to is when I was in New Jersey, and we were in Montclair, very, very elite neighborhood, right next to East Orange. But whenever my kid was born in 1990, whenever I saw shit on the news, black, white, yellow, gray, I don't care. I always thought that could be my kid.

But not just if it was a white or a black kid, it was every kid every kid Holy shit, how can this happen to our kids? Right. So we've heard this before. With what Mr. President Obama speaking Oh, Trayvon Martin? Well, I'm the head of the executive branch. And the Attorney General reports to me. So I've got to be careful about my statements to make sure that we're not impairing any investigation that's taking place right now.

But obviously, this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through. And when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids. And I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this, and that everybody pulls together federal, state and

local to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened. So I'm glad that not only is the Justice Department looking into it, I understand now that the governor of the state of Florida has formed a task force to investigate what's taking place. I think all of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how does something like this happen. And that means that we examined the laws and the context for what happened, as well as the specifics of the incident. But my main message

is, is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. Yeah, he was really good up until that last bit. You know, every parent's in America all that? Yeah, totally. Yeah, but if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon. And we're still waiting on it investigation. That was gonna say, Do we have any any outcome of that? Finally, I mean, do we know? So we see how these means and even in literature. Oh, it could

be my son, Obama. It could be my son. These things they travel, and this is the talk gone wrong. We've talked about this before. Of one. Yeah, it's some things out there that we need to be worried about how you interact with certain people. But when you trigging traumatize your children. With there's a blood lust out there that wants to take your life with every second. You know, that's very harmful. No kids very harmful. No kidding. So, Miss Imani Perry, she continues on with her book breeds.

There's this particular sort of motif of black mothers is long suffering, right? And everything is sacrifice, which in some ways is true. But then it's also split. How do you educate your children or the young people in your life to have the kind of care for you fully as a person that you have for them, because you want them to be that way with the people in their lives? Right.

It's interesting, because when you think about the, the disciplines that we you know, we love and we live in and we we've studied our way through, and even the sense that the means toward a kind of stability and authority like stem, as we see. All of those things are buying into a particular kind of order, and belief that this will pay off races, this is going to convince the world of what is right. This is going to make a stable life for you and keep you safe. Yes. The world we live in

shows us that is not true. True. And what's so beautiful about this book is that you call on so much that is outside of that that to me feels undeniably rooted in blackness. Yeah, the belief in the spirit and the sense of, you know, yes, there

was a way that suffering and love are inextricable. Yes. So it's it's exciting to me that in addition to being a book that's really practical and loving, it's also kind of this archival celebration of the things that come from blackness that we haven't yet fully categorized. Absolutely. Glad to have a black friend who explained to me I wanted to clip it in there. She said, That's not true. Yeah, I heard I heard it. I heard it. I heard. I heard you there I don't know.

But yeah, like, she brought up one point of there's this suffering of a blast. Suffering and love go hand in hand. It's this continuation of, you have to be a victim, you have to suffer. You know, you have, you know, this is what we do. So much. So, even when Michelle Obama was in office, she slipped up and said, She's way I'm gonna let you you want to care. And guess what she said she would because I didn't finish the

clip. I said, dot dot dot? Well, or you just want to go to the first thing that comes to my mind is that she would say she was a victim of something. That's the only thing that came to mind. I don't know if I'm right. Alright, let's see what she says. We're looking at new models of getting farmers markets to, you know, create buses and drive into communities that are

underserved. So we have to deal with the question of access. And believe me as a busy single mother, or single as a busy mother, sometimes, you know, when you got the husband who's president, it can feel a little single, but he's there. But as a busy working mom, and before coming to the White House, I was in that position, you know, as well, working, driving kids to practice, you know, not having enough time to shop or cook not

having the energy. You know, the resources weren't the issue, but time and energy is is key. I of course I remember this. And I should have remembered that she had said that because we played this clip a lot. Yeah. And of course, I didn't look at that in any of this context. I looked at it in the context. What if you're a dude, we had no other way to look at what she was saying. Then you're not

married, you know what is going on? But actually, and I think I understand what she was trying to say, you know, when you have a politician who but yeah, we want to play the victim card. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Mentally, you might all I want. You want to identify as this, you know, as a single mother, you know, he's Brock's bear. He's running the country. Yeah. I mean, what do you mean, he's there? I mean, he's around seriously. Yeah, he's there, you know,

cigarettes in the back. Yeah. Wow. When you want to get in on the PD party, you have to identify when you want to, like say play your victim card. Sometimes it slips out. And she played her victim card, but Oh, these two, Imani Perry and Michelle Obama. We're gonna go back into a throwback clip from Madame Noir. This was the panel black women talking about the struggle struggles or raising black boys. What do you think

the hardest thing is to do as a mom? In 2017 parenting? What are the things you worried about the most raising black children? That I have boys? I have two boys. Two boys and how do I like prepare them for that life? Yes, slip flooded the stress and, and it's a lot of stress that I don't know as a woman, because we have stressed but we also can navigate circles a little bit better because a women because we're women, and like I don't how do I prepare you know for those moments when he comes home

and something has gone right in the street? And he doesn't know how to deal with it right or? Yeah. So now you see that mindset is being set in elite circles. I can't believe that you're even doing a podcast with me. How come you're not dead in the street? I mean, it's obvious your future just how did this change? This is not possible. Amen. I was lucky. It's math, bro. The blood? I mean, he's

still out there. In the blood lessons go hunt me down. I mean, so I mean, it's a great title for a movie bloodlust. So, you see the mindset. And the second part is a two part of that. From the madam Noir. They speak on fear. Okay, it's hard to let them be free. When we're fearful. Right? Yeah. Because you know, because my best friend she said like that boy be free. Yeah, he wants take off his shoes. I don't think it's hard

like for them to be free. Like we're a little fearful and I think that's the that's the tension of like, I want them to grow. I want them to explore and try stuff out. But like I'm I'm a little scared. That hard for them to be free. Yep, that says that all right there what it what it Kanye say. Free, man. Free man talk him. Yep. Once you break out of that victim mentality and say, You know what? I'm gonna do what I'm going to do. wherever it lands

it lands. And you know, I'm I said something on the very first podcast we did. When I said Trump one. He let Black men nuts dropped. Oh, yeah. You laugh. Yeah. Well, I laughed out of understanding I think I know I know. I know. But what I'm saying is that was that freedom is like hmm, like I mean, here's a dude who's just going up there and saying whatever comes to his mind whatever. Oh, a little freer because it you know it it even Kanye said

that himself I don't keep harping about it. But he's a very interesting on, you know, subjects was so disappointing. I mean, I left after when I was in Europe, but I saw a few new shows. And, and they all just look at no one's really listening. They just look at Kanye and go he's not I mean, exactly what he said what happened, you know, he's nuts. He's got mental issues. He's clearly oh my god, now he's into Jesus. Oh, no. Now this guy's

off the rails. Instead of just listening to what the guy's been saying. You know, the propaganda from all sides Fox the worst I might add. I'm looking at you five. They're just sitting there like laughing like he's a nut job where the man I mean, free man talking is a very powerful statement. You know? It was powerful. Okay, I digressing. I got time on my hands. Maybe that's it. I am old. I got time to listen to people. But you wear skinny jeans. wear skinny jeans.

Yeah. So it means like, that's what they took away from him. So we understand the fear. By the way, we see no, no one no one no one understood that either. Very few people. You got to know the South Park and you got you got a little bit of cultural background. But okay, yeah, exactly. So now we're seeing the loop. It starts in wherever the media, whether it's a book, it's a movie, it feeds down into the

pop culture, and then it becomes part of the mindset. Um, so I just had this little clip final clip from the Imani Perry interview. And it's just hilarious. I want to hear some of your beautiful language okay, that okay. And when you hear it in your voice, okay, okay. I want you to go to the bottom of 66 Yes, I am asking you to do something difficult. Oh, yes. Oh, on the bottom of 66 You were waiting for me to not know what the hell that was all about. The bottom of Hold on a

second. tricking me mow the lawn. Let me just do it again. I'm not googling anything. I'm just listening. I want to hear some of your beautiful language. Okay, is that okay? I want to hear it in your voice. Okay. Okay. I want you to get to the bottom of 66 Yes, I am asking you to do something difficult. Oh yes. Okay, the only here's the only sixes I know. Route 66 That's one you got three sixes as Veals above the devil but she said the bottom is 66 I have no clue what that's about is

nothing is the page number. Fucker I'm like coded messages. What's going on? How come I don't know this reference? noseless the six racist There you go. I'm racist. Did you hear? Did you hear how they were talking to each other? I want you to do something in your voice. Yeah. These are probably two career man. I couldn't let that will go past because he's like, What are y'all talking about? Oh, your voice you know yours that that unique voice that is

yours in a spot. But from now on, this is our code mo whenever you and I say to each other bottom is 66 Man All right. Gotcha. Gotcha. We know what's going on do we like to spiritually theists connecting dots like where am I to stop you? Do you even know I was gonna do that. Well, you know, I did I thought she was gonna comment on I was but then I heard the bottom of 66 like that shit. That's some black shit. I don't know, man. What's going on? Okay. All right. All

right. So with this all being about the Obamas yeah, I've never really discussed who he was. Oh, what he was. So we have Mr. Judge Joe Brown. Are you familiar with Mr. Judge Joe Brown? No, I know a lot of Joe browns in history but not Mr. Judge. Judge Joe Brown was the black judge from Texas that was all my the Judge Judy type show. Okay, so I figured you know tell it like this. He was like yeah, it was brown. Okay, got it. Yeah, right. Right. So he once you get to a certain age, the truth you

just don't care about it. You're just gonna say what you gotta say hell yeah. So he breaks down who Barry really is, as anybody black ever gone and checked out who it is. They went through school is Barry Soetoro, his stepfather and adoptive father, low low lol Soetoro. That is one of the 20 richest men on the planet Earth. Obama is beneficiary of a trust fund. Along with his two half siblings. He is probably the richest man to ever occupy the White House. Lolo Soetoro was a

major and Indonesian army and a contractor with the CIA. What daddy did was run death squads for the Indonesian government. He was an executive vice president for Standard Oil and when he decided to set up his own company in Indonesia, where possibly the world's largest oil reserves located I imagine he used his position of having an active death squad it is

proposal to facilitate some of his business deals. And now, interestingly enough, there are documented moments between George Herbert Walker Bush, who was in the CIA at the time and Lolo Soetoro surgeon arraign, who mentioned they were frequent golf partners. And Lolo Soetoro used Goldman Sachs as its as his American for this year for financial banking institutions.

Okay, so this is new. So this Otero name and Indonesian all of that is very familiar to me what I never have heard and then while that was running, I was consulting the book of knowledge. There's no mention of this of this great wealth, of course, that's been scrubbed. The CIA connection we had long time ago. We've always known that Obama was tied at the hip to Brennan, the director of CIA, but this that he's actually probably want that he's a trust fund baby. Yes, that is insane.

But he's this poor black kid from the Southside of Chicago. Well, no, we know he's not. But that's the that's just been scrubbed from history. I mean, we Yeah. And by the way, bringing that up most racist thing you can do? Of course it is. Yeah. That was a that was the protective thing. No, no, no, don't look at his background. Um, so nobody ever looked at and like said he didn't write a reason why I bring this up is he used the victimization. Cloak total, totally, totally,

to blend in. Um, so what we're gonna do is, I mean, from that clip, we're gonna go down and get into the American story of Obama, on Netflix. You guys could do whatever you want. Why did you decide to do what you're doing one way of looking at what we've both been doing for the last 20 years. Maybe most of our careers once we left law was to tell stories. You're good Mo. We tell stories and we turn to tell fables wicked on the mic and on the turntables. So that's what they do.

They tell stories tell stories, stories. You know, they get up there she tell her story about white guilt. Now we have to ask, what was what was the reason? Because he were set herself, you know, um, wow, why would you bring up white guilt? Jackson, part one. This is the future. Yeah, we were talking about this in the car right over.

Yeah. This is been in, in, in our family. And growing up. This has been an underutilized Park, for those of you who don't know, Jackson Park is, is was for us. And we lived maybe a mile from it. And I tell you, the old there was they have a golf course there. Which means you have to golf you have to golf. I mean, you couldn't just walk around on the golf course.

But this is one of the parks like the parks, we talked about that we lived near that people just didn't congregate that there wasn't like an outdoor access where you did stuff in this park on a regular base on a regular basis. It wasn't that close. It was not a place that was the closest to you. It wasn't it was it was it was the closest big big park, you know, like Washington Park and yeah, Douglas park park. Those are big parks where people come and they congregate and they

have resources thrown in to do stuff. This was one of those parks that had a lot of real estate, but there wasn't a whole lot going on unless you golf. Okay, in the context of Jackson Park. Jackson bought too well there and there's so there's power in the selection of Jackson Park. You know, this, you know, just like Barack and I don't do things, incidentally. I mean, there's a strategy, you know, Brock's presidential library could have been anywhere

in the world. Because there's so many people who feel like he is their president, all over the world. Right. So, you know, New York wanted it. Hawaii wants it, you know, because it's also an economic engine, because it will be a visited presidential library because it's going to be alive. There's going to be it's a first. So we had to think where do we put this resource because it will be a resource. But what better place to put it

than in our backyard? You know, Jackson Park is like that juxtaposition of everything in our lives. Except we never went to visit it now do you get it? Yeah, no, I got it. I got it's, it's kind of disheartening when you when you rip it open like that Mo. White folks is saved to come on back. Yep. To Jackson Park. We're going to build a library. It's gonna be a nice community. Yeah, gentrification. Yep, that's exactly what it is. The whole set like I said that we tell stories. She set this whole

thing up about white guilt and white flight. And this pale, there it is, and there is your payoff. sick man. Now do you have other people in your life where you can talk to this to talk to about this? My aunt I mean, yeah, no, actually, actually we we claim together. It's like a unknown. It's like a sixth sense. Uh huh. Oh, hey, hey, once you draw is that was that dance? Is that dance? You got to feel it out. You got to feel it out. Yeah. And then once once you drop the

old Hey, bottom bottom is 66 then you're on Ah, gotcha. I gotcha. Yes. Well, that's. Well, I mean, that's no different, I guess then. A lot of people who support or voted for Trump. I think there's a lot of the same thing goes on a dance and sussing around you know, it's like with my neighbor, you know, it's cuz, you know, agenda looks at all kinds of stuff. We say many things that are unpopular for different groups. And the first thing I'm trying to suss out is hey, man, are you cool?

Are you like gonna be rabid? If I even say anything positive about the Trump? It's a dance. So it's kind of like that, I guess. And that's exactly why the No, agenda meetups are so important. are so important. Yeah. Because you don't have to do that dance. Yeah, um, yeah, well, that's exactly what it is like, is it cool? You know? And you throw little feelers out there. It's

like, so what about this? You see people's reaction? Alright, man of relief, where you like, oh, you you're traveling brother. I got that one. I'm happy we can laugh about it. But it's really quite sad that you have now laid out expertly. Once again, you have laid out. Yeah, everything is the same. It's just, it's just now we have more algorithms to amplify all the bullcrap. And of course, people, I always, I look for the good and everything. And I think that deep down inside people know

things are wrong. And I think this is where this social media illness comes from, of people yelling at each other, and just going, going nuts and just completely off the rails. And really, at the core of all of it is this unpublished memo about the redefinition of racism, if only I had known. If only I could find the approved version, it would be so much better for us. And now I know why everyone's called a racist because it means something else. And this whole thing is, and

then yeah, it totally feeds into the victimization. Which you my friend, you shows 00 victimization. You've never shown any of that to me. I refuse to be not free course. Of course you are. You are free man podcasts and what's going on here? Free man by free man podcast, and hopefully our podcast threes to a handful of people each episode. That's that's the that's the goal here and let us know. Yeah, we'd love to hear from you want to know, I mean,

people email this tweets and stuff. And, and I see I see the responses. I enjoy all of it. And remember what I said at the beginning, is there's there's, there's value in this for me, I sit here and I enjoy every single show. From beginning to end. It's just it's fantastic to do this. And I'm pretty sure Moe enjoys it too. And, you know, we'd love to see your appreciation for that. Whatever value this had to you. Either go out and be a free man talking or support us or both even better.

Mo fund me.com mo e fund me.com. Mo, thank you so much. Once again, a fabulous, fabulous piece of art we have put here this should be in the Smithsonian. This particular episode is Smithsonian worthy I tell you, as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we'll be back next week with another edition of moe facts with Adam curry. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you for your time and your attention. We enjoy hope you did do until next

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