10: Black and Blue

Moe Factz with Adam Curry for October 7, 2019. This is episode number 10. Can you believe that Moe? It's like two and a half, two and a half months now. Right? We're in double digits. I mean, this is great double digits. Yes, we we went double digits. Exactly. How are you doing? I'm doing well made it through a week of programming, social programming and I made it out alive. Yes, I got a lot of great feedback on on the last episode The colorism stuff, man, a lot of people had no idea about this.

Yeah, I got a lot of great DMS and messages and emails as well. gave a lot of people insight. I surprised a lot of people. Not a lot, but a handful of people contacted me and said that they had parents say the same thing to them that Tina, and I'm not gonna know what Matthew knows, be honest, his father told him right, right, told him about don't bring a dark skinned person home. So I'm just interested in where it stems from. So I'll do more research on that. But overall, great,

great feedback, as always, yes. And I'd like to start by saying that this is a value for value program, which means we'd like to see how valuable you think the show is. And the way it works is you can go to MoeFundMe.com This is new. mo e fund me.com moefundme.com. And you can show your support. But how much was it worth to you?

You listen to the show for an hour and a half, two hours. If you go to the movies, it's probably 50 bucks, but okay, if it's valuable to you, we'd love to know MoeFundMe.com And you did tell me what the topic was going to be for today. Of course I know what the case is about. I'm really happy because it was just I don't know, just a couple days ago. The keeper asked me today what's going on exactly with this? I said you know, I really don't know. I know the outlines of the case but I

really it's I just didn't look into it. So let us kick it off for today. Okay, so we're going to go and talk about the amber Geiger and Botham Shawn trial. That's where well, let's let's get into clip number one. Let them tell us what's about on September 6 2018. Dallas police officer Amber Geiger killed both of John inside his apartment. According to police, she thought his apartment was her own. Geiger said his door was unlocked, and

she mistook John for a burglar. I'm Natalie Coleman and this is the reporter's notebook from the Dallas Morning News. A recap about the biggest stories you need to know Geiger is murder trial is set for September 23 2019. jurors will hear testimony about what happened that night at the Southside flats apartments just south of downtown Dallas. Geiger lived one floor below Shawn, and it appears they never met. A jury

will have to decide Gallagher's fate. Jury selection begins September 6 2019, exactly one year after Geiger shot and killed John. Right, exactly. This was a very weird case, wrong apartment. Some love interest things that we're on the periphery confusing Of course, there's a racial element to it. I'm very interested to hear what we're going to look at today how it unfolds.

So this is not going to be our typical format show that we have been doing with the historical while ride out because I wanted to take this opportunity in real time to let people see how the media manipulation is targeted towards black people. That way we can we could talk it out in the fields. So I found this ABC article. ABC piece it was about seven minutes long and I chopped it up into multiple pieces and I found it to be very mind control

shift from the whimsy. Wait, wait wait a min ABC was broadcasting something that you found to be mind control ition G What are the chances? Yes. I'm shocked. Alright, so let's get into the ABC News background are one. Amber Geiger was an off duty police officer arriving home after a long day of work sometime around 10pm Her neighbor 26 year old both of them John was in his apartment. Exactly what happened next is still a mystery. But what we

know is Geiger went to John's apartment. She says she thought it was hers. When she saw him, she fatally shot in the aftermath of that moment captured in this video, the incident sparking questions nationwide about race, police transparency, and an officer's use of deadly force. And I must point out, whenever a so called news item has really creepy music under it. It's mind controlling. Yes, that's how it usually goes.

That's exactly why I didn't say anything. It began with the Big Gong, or I guess you would call it a gong kind of sound draws you in it has the, you know, the, like you pointed out creepy

music. And it just goes on from there. So what I want to do is for half our audience, and I don't know if it's 50%, but for a good majority of our audience or good secondary audience, they'll receive it the way I received it, as they're trying to manipulate me, they are first starting second saying they've already thrown race into the root, which is can't be avoided.

I mean, we have to really, you know, talk about who's involved in the case and past shootings and things of that nature, but right off the bat to hit you with the race thing that Nas you being immediate right or wrong. Race is good for ratings Correct? Well, this story has almost everything you need. Race is good for ratings. You know, the the old news business, of course, is if it bleeds, it leads, so we got that in there. We got love interest, all kinds of stuff. But yeah, I think

these days, absolutely. If we can throw some race stuff out there, people will pay attention. So with that in mind, that's what we're going to try to deconstruct and D you know, break break break break apart. So let's just get into clip three. According to the arrest affidavit, Geiger who lived on the third floor and park on the fourth floor of the building that night. She headed to the apartment directly above her

unit, thinking she said it was her own. The door she says was slightly open the interior dark. I thought it was my apartment. I thought it was my apartment. She says that over and over again in this five minute recording. Is that significant to you? is significant to the point that it makes me feel that that call was staged. It made me feel that she had already spoken with someone Geiger still in uniform said she thought she spotted a burglar.

But in fact it was the apartment resident both of them John, she then fire two shots hitting John once in the chest. Wow. That's some interesting supposition. I guess whatever you want to call us out on the scripted that's something I would say typically, but I didn't come across as scripted to me. So as we get more into it, and the way I clip it, is kind of out of order. Because I did it in segments. Okay, so we got the background, or we have a police officer coming up at 13 and a

half hour shift. Coming home. I think she lived on the third floor, but she parks on the fourth floor. She goes to the apartment she assumes to be hers enters the apartment, and there's some gray area about how she got a narrative The door was locked. If she not, they're not. But somehow, later in the case, they in spoiler alert to the movie, Amy here, because that's what it is. Let's just slow down for a minute. I want to point out to people, when you hear these cases, avoid them like the

plague. This is what I do. If it wasn't for this show, I would have not gone as deep as I dig into this story. Because I understand how they want to manipulate me how they want to prod and poke and well hold on. Hold on, hold on a second. Let me ask you about that. When you say they want to manipulate you. In what way I mean, would you you're speaking from experience, I hear this. I'm just like, I hated the music. I'm like I'm out I didn't want to listen to the story but

so I'm glad I'm glad we're doing it. But you feel that it's going to be manipulated in an in a putting the the black person in a negative light. Is that your immediate feeling when you when you hear that? No. I think it's about ratings from the immediate Well, yeah, so of course they want to date Wow. Correct. As you just said, that's interesting. How they say that sounded scripted. They're gonna throw raw meat to both sides. Oh, nice. They're gonna

be pro police. They're gonna give you a little pro police and then they're gonna give you a little pro black nine. They're gonna keep doing this thing to bring both sides in and then what you have is This explosion, when both sides get invested, it's kind of like the Super Bowl, or anything else or make you or just like political polling. And we you know, I think we've talked about this certainly I know agenda. It's like you got all close race too close to call, oh, you know,

spend more, spend more. That's exactly what it is keep them glued. I was pulled in by this with the political polling that Kamal is trending up. Yeah, back to the older episode, I got pulled in. I got suckered in from my headlines. So this, if you don't listen to the media spin on these things, then it will affect you in a way that it does. And by that, and I'm okay. I think a lot of people want to say, Why do black people, and I don't want to say overgeneralize get so sucked into these

stories? It's because the way the media targeted, targeted us with these stories, hold on Moe. White people get sucked in just as hard with these stories when they're presented this way it works. True, true. True. Oh, I'm not saying it does it. But I can always speak from one perspective. And that's why this conversation that happened, because you can I think this is probably only the one one place that you can get this conversation to happen. Yeah, in real time. I think that's the

real value of the show. And that's why I was I was really 5050 on not even doing this this show this topic on this episode. Because I didn't want to feed into it. But I was like, this is a great not only decided last night. No, no, that's good. And let me just tell you, this is probably appropriate before we get too deep into it. The way the story read to me was, here's a cop. The 13 hours was significant. You know, I'm tired after 13 hours. I have parked on the

wrong floor in my building previously. But I noticed that when I got to the door, you know in the parking garage, the door that goes into the into the actual residence. So I I've done this just in mindlessness, of course the door being maybe open or I mean, you gotta be really tired. Now then to add on top of all of that, because of course I forgot all this, like, Yeah, whatever this is over. And then Tina asked me about it. I really don't know. I really haven't looked into it. Because it's to

me, it seems like Well, bad shit happens all the time. But this is one that's playing out. It's like all these you know, True Crime Murder things people are obsessed with. And it's not for me. However, when I saw a quick news snippet the other day of of the cop, I was like, Oh, she's cute. That did draw me in a little bit for for a second. I'm like, oh, but again, I personally you know, because just who I am, I didn't care but I think you're absolutely right. This was a ratings Bonanza in

just laying in waiting to be brought out to the masses. So that's what makes for the perfect movie. And that's why I use this background clip because they actually sell it as a movie trailer. trailer right? When I heard this I was like, This sounds like a movie trailer aren't they? It was Matt missing was the guy that did deep work in a world where white cops kill Black people the wrong floor. Yeah, exactly. So let's go let's Okay, so we we've gotten the background so

we're going to break it down. The first reaction is always the 911 call. So we're going to hear her talking to 911 and then off to the officer I thought it was in my apartment and I shot it I think in that he was thinking it was my apartment and attorney for John's family listening with us the audio obtained exclusively by Dallas station W FAA. All I can imagine was both them on the ground taking this last breath and that was very difficult for me.

Okay, we have help on the way I know that was my job. I thought it was my recording Geiger can be heard growing increasingly distraught. Oh my God. You're now potentially facing prison time. Oh, God, having listened to a lot of 911 calls in investigative research. This was not the 911 call. This was the 911 call. But I don't know how it was at Did she goes from? Oh my god to oh my god, I'm gonna lose my job. I don't know if

that was her first thought. I don't know if that was her first thought but it certainly was presented that way which makes me feel immediately like why did she think of that? Is that the first thing you'd think of? I wouldn't be thinking of that but I don't know if that was it was chopped up who knows what it was? And we have to listen to the helter skelter what way is being presented. One guy said all I could think about was Botham Langley right? Yeah. And yeah, nice did she come and then he

comes back with the next edit. Oh, I'm gonna lose my job and she sounds like a little girl sounds like a little innocent child which which makes me believe or makes me think of Greta yeah oh Greta tune bury the 16 year old climate extravaganza who they always make to look younger. Interesting. So that I just take this as a personal takeaway. I what we're doing here is what OPERS instructing we're deconstructing it and Realty. Yes.

Correct. So next day going to a little the victims bio. So now that 911 Call beginning to shed light on what happened that night. Both of them John of St. Lucia native is described by his friends and family as a quote ray of sunshine. Both of them had a love for everything and everyone. So I just want the message of love to permeate throughout this whole

process. An active member of the Pearland West Church of Christ he was beloved by many everybody is this pack service held and his honor shows his fate forever changed by Amber Geiger. Now I recognize this as a template that the news media does all the time. Whenever a usually a young black man is shot. This is the template. He was great at school active member of the church. I'm just being brutally honest with you. Obviously. That's what you and I do together. What I'm missing.

I'm missing his mother crying. But that's that was that was his mother. That was his mother. Okay, so that's that that was his mother. That's the template. That is the news template in America when a black man is shot. Yes. And we will add previous shows. We know why. We know the connection with the mother and the child. Who they're the target audience they're trying to reach. With this news story.

It could be your son the talk. This thing wraps a bunch of what we've talked about in all the previous episodes up into one nice little pack. You almost think they're listening to us for instructions. But it's sick, it's sick and away. It is but what I can say about Botham, John is he was a good guy. He was in his house, laying on his floor on his couch. whatever story you want to believe eating a bowl of ice cream. You can't get any more

innocent than that. He was an accountant. No priors. So this only heightened Wait, wait, you mean he wasn't your typical black guy? drug dealer? What? I'm so confused. Right. Right. Yeah. Which is the narrative they like to go with hell yeah. Um, so this only heightens the stakes in this

case because it's like it's purely innocent. Botham attractive quote unquote attractive white woman cop blonde she fits cat perfect casting he was a central casting blonde and he's just these two people collide into into this perfect cat um, what's the word I want to test tragedy tragedy? Sure. Tasha Yes. Perfect. It's a perfect tragedy. So but what you pointed out something you said that um, he's not the typical drug dealer. But in this happening in real time, right

after the case on right after the shooting. His character was attempted to be assassinated. Insane case also in Texas. Marlon Jean, and it keeps getting more crazy. He's the black man killed by Dallas cop. She says she accidentally entered his apartment thinking it was hers and thought he was an intruder. But there are some ego holes in this. Yeah, you there's so much more that we don't know. And the apartment itself even

going to the door. He had a red mat in front of it. Hers did not she said she had a bunch of packages and couldn't say couldn't see. Well enough. have to shoot and she says the door was ajar. Yet the neighbors are saying they heard someone banging on the door saying let me in. But let me let me ask you a jar. She just you as a police officer don't know if there's 50 people in their attorney. Why didn't you call for backup? Well, you pulled your web Exactly. It sounds like

some whether it was a draw or not. There's a lot of this a lot of stuff. And then they tried to assassinate his character by saying, you know, they found marijuana in there. Yeah. So you telling me that somebody in their own house can't smoke and smoke. Smoking? Who said that smoking while Black Witch view lady said that. That was a whoopee was that will be you said I don't I couldn't tell if it was we'll be talking. That was we'll be talking and then who chimed in? Joy?

No, of course. Well, so this was, this is what we do in the United States media. We talk out of our buttholes with no evidence we don't have no idea. When I think by the way, a cop shows up at her own door and it's a jar which is kind of triggered for me the memory of the of the story whenever it started, like oh, well yeah, if I'm a cop, and I show up at my own door, and it's a jar my weapons out and I'm ready to you know, I'm a cop. So I'm gonna go in and, and be ready for

anything that happens. That was the narrative that I caught when it first came out. You know, I don't even know if I heard it. Right. But that's what I what I heard. And so here they are saying, well, you'd call for backup. I would disagree with Whoopi on that. But they did try to assassinate his character. Of course. Yes, of course. But here we go. The way the narrative was painted to target me and like I said, I heard these things in glimpses

in. I really didn't put a lot of time into listening to it, but just what gravitated towards me, you know, I heard I'm just talking to people. The story was this is how I was told secondhand from people and I'm just giving you the perspective of how they received it. He was landing land on his floor eating a bowl of ice cream she whipped out the gun and shot him on the floor. Did you know there was no confrontation? There's no

interaction Okay, which that's not true. But the guys laying on his floor eating a bowl of ice cream how more innocent can you get? But they did try it the as the media always does when you try going back to the campaign analogy when one guy was running away with it. What did he always do away with the campaign sandbag attack yes do whatever you can of course because he's seen my is to open shut down to have a too much of an open and shut case and a sports analogy a blowout sale by

all we got to we got it we got to bounce it out. You know this put the interview and you window out there to you know he was drug related right now. I mean, oh, does a smoker, Joy ice cream. I mean, come on. I mean, this is America. Usually it's in that order? Yes. It starts with the joint and oh, man, I really need some ice cream. Yes, of course. So I'll just say that as a bad thing. Even if he did have drugs. How could that be negative? I don't understand. But this just goes to show well, it's

back. It's back to the the black guy drug dealer. That's that was the thing that I caught from it by saying yes. Yeah. And I think one thing that we have with me you have is we have these deconstructionist eyes. So it prevents us to see how the general public sees things. Sometimes, yeah, we already have a prophylactic over our head. Right. So it makes zero when I heard that. I was like, We got

my eyes rolled. I was like, Hold on, I had to go back and like look at through the lens of the of the unwashed coined a phrase. All right. Um, so moving forward. We're gonna get into the shooters by him. Alright. Amber Geiger, a four year veteran of the Dallas police force. This is a person who has been on patrol for four years, they have a pretty good idea of how to handle stressful situations. There is nothing to say the two neighbors had a relationship.

But on September 6, after a more than 13 hour shift, diagur, who was off duty arrived back to her Dallas apartment building where she and John's lives would cross in the worst way possible. At that point, she could be running around from job to job so that factors in here and when it What did he say at the end that she was going from what he said at that point she could be running around Now from job to job, so I'm assuming he's making, you know, saying that she could be working off duty

jobs. Okay. That's how I that's how I took it. It was like yeah, so but that's how I took it but now they're laying out that she's a seasoned she's a four year problems and four year vet on the force. So she should know how to interact with these cases. So like I said, they're still the news is not picking any sides here they gave me a little to give them a little red meat to both sides to keep you enthralled and you're saying it entertain yes and in the most nefarious that's the word.

Yeah, it's reducing a cup get keep you caught into it's disgusting. Yeah. And you know, this of course was abused excessively with the OJ trial. I mean, this is the the media knows this is a success formula. Yes. All the way down to the who the characters are. Now I have to ask this question. If it was a white woman shooting a white man, no press. If it was a black person shooting a black person,

no press correct. But as we pointed out before, in the casting of this movie, everything is perfect as you got everything is everything is right down right down to the cop being a woman couldn't doesn't get any better. blonde woman Oh, excuse me. Yes. Perfect, perfect academy award with the with the German sounding last name. I mean, that matters. I mean, oh, yeah. I didn't even think about that. But what a valley girl first me Amber, who was saying?

Yeah, yeah. In fact, if you had you can't, if you wrote it this way. Hollywood go, man, that's too blatant. That's, that's no, no, that's unbelievable. It's so perfect. And he yet here we are. Here we are. And not and I knew that. The reason why I played that first clip, the very first clip is how it was undone in ANSYS. It was D sensationalized, it was a straight to the point.

This is what happened, you know, and willing to go to trial. But once the mass mainstream media got to hold to it was like, This is too good to be true. That's right. So now we're going back to 911 call. Gorgeous EMS. Are you both 20 times on that? 911 call Geiger tells the dispatcher she thought the apartment was her own. At one point saying she was tired. No, no. Okay, so now we hear her saying she's tired. She's tired. Is that what I heard?

Yes, I'm tired. I'm not laughing is this crazy? So we have to get to the point of asking. How in the hell do you not know you're not at your apartment? Right? That is the million dollar question. Because you brought it up yourself. We all made mistakes been distracted, you know? Yeah, I've tried. I've tried to get into the wrong car. You know, that's happened, of course, you know, dumb stuff like that. Yeah, I was just about to say that. I was gonna give that same

analogy. My wife was sitting I was I wasn't in this other store. My wife sitting in a parked car waiting for me. And a woman comes and hops in the car car. Right because when you're distracted, you're distracted. Okay, so I think so she comes up to the door. And everybody makes a point that there's he had a huge red. Welcome, Matt. Welcome mat in front of his door. So you'd have to ask how in the hell are you that distracted? Let the next clip explain to you how

Omar via Franca is at the courthouse in Dallas. Omar, what did prosecutors reveal? Good morning. Prosecutors say that at the time of the shooting. Amber Geiger was preoccupied, talking and texting with a partner who she was romantically involved with. The jury got a preview of some of those sexually explicit messages. She shoots twice at the start of amber Geiger is trial. Prosecutors argued the former Dallas police officer missed several opportunities to avoid the deadly confrontation

with her neighbor. 26 year old both them John for errors for her omissions Bowling pay the ultimate price. According to prosecutors, one of those errors was a romantic conversation. Geiger was carrying on with her patrol partner. In the minutes before the shooting Geiger and fellow officer Martin Rivera allegedly had a phone call and exchanged sexually explicit messages

now Okay, so that's where it came from. I knew there was some romantic thing in there, but I now I least have the story according to the media. But did you catch how she was distracted? At the very beginning? No, I heard you ring the bell, but I missed it. It's right at the very beginning. Let me play it again. Omar Villafranca is at the courthouse in Dallas. Omar, what did prosecutors reveal? Good morning. Prosecutors say that at the time of the

shooting. Amber Geiger was preoccupied talking and texting with a partner who she was romantically involved with. The jury got a preview of some of those sexually explicit messages. talking and talking and texting she's distracting while shooting you know, when I played this game, if if someone's on the street, I give Miss if they're holding their phone. I give myself one point. If they're on the phone standing on the street, two points. If they're on the phone on the street

walking, I get three points. If someone's driving while on the phone, five points. I think if you're killing people, that's got to be a free game. If you're on a phone and shooting people, you really win that game. Crazy. Okay, well, that explains how because we've all been distracted. We've all we've all I mean, we've all done it. But how do you get all the way to your house and not realize it's your house? It's

very easy if you're on your phone. Yes. clickety clacking away at the keyboard you know, especially if somebody's saying very it's something very interesting when you i sexting was what they were doing. Well, you know, and this could kind of explain her again we

didn't hear the 911 call in context we heard it edited. But if if I'm texting and all this comes down and I'm just playing you know the advocate of the devil I'm texting I'm doing all this I walk in somehow something's messed up the doors open I'm I'm carrying on an affair with one of my

colleagues. This is maybe where the immediate response so I'm gonna lose my job or response I'm gonna lose my job came from as she's putting it all together in her head and I'm just making it up as they go along as to what I hear as the story unfolds. Okay, let's clear up the door thing so we just don't have to wonder about your thing anymore because some people say that they heard or not other people say that it was it was oh, it was crack open the what came out in the case was that the door

was locked but not latched. So she did put her key Oh turned it and it opened with it in turn what it pushed open okay so I say perfect perfect tragedy it's hospice door had latch properly. She went to bed to get in right but the fact that his door didn't latch agency put a key in she still Yeah, Moe, Moe strike one for the black man. I'm sorry. He gotta lock your door. Strike one right you gotta you gotta keep that door lock. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah.

But you being the OTG guy. I thought I thought that will be very interesting to you. Well, it's the crux of it right now the way you've presented it it's the crux of the case. So please kill me phones kill and the story but we can't let that get in the way of a good narrative Oh hell no ratings if you if you're in the right if you're all bonehead woman shoots

cuz she's 16 I mean that does have a nice nice ring to it. But you know they still not cool them in white female cop shoots innocent black man eating a bowl of ice cream is the best shot I would try to target and the people out there had turned out you triggered knob. We're we're being loose with this because what we want to do is desensitize people to the over price abuse, abuse, Moe it's abuse, abuse, abuse, the media is abusing you. That's exactly what's going on here.

So what we're going to do is we're going to be light with it because we don't want to be add to that we don't want to add to that so we can see clear this is easy open shut case woman distracted wanted to because she's not distracted. She's just tired. You say that's not my couch, right? That's not my chair. Right? Especially if you're looking at dick pics. Yeah, you're distracted. Right? And then some black guy jumps up, hey pause our gun,

bang dead? Because you get there's no way you can tell me she wasn't distracted if she walks into their environment, unless you're gonna say she assassinated him. Right? Well, it's and that was that it's interesting that the jury had ordered. I mean, this is where we're at the story. The jury knew this. The jury has the has the sex, apparently. So. Now I don't know if a jury of her peers which is the way we do it in the United States, if they

consider what it's like to be distracted on the phone. Most people are distracted all the time because of their devices and don't even realize it. That's a very good point. And we've seen people walk in the manhole Yeah, we've seen people crash in the cars walk in front of car know that pedestrian death rates are up 5% year over year with cars killing them. And since in the in the past 10 years, it's a 41% since 2008. So and of course phones are a part of that statistic.

Right. So let's get let's go on with the distract distracted narrative with distracted to whatever is on her mind after that conversation has consumed her attention entirely. In the opening statement, the defense dismissed the prosecution's argument that Geiger should have realised she was on the wrong floor in front of Bolton's

apartment. Is this extremely obvious bright red floor mat to say that she was aware there was a red doormat and knowingly ignored it because you wanted to go into 1478 and shoot this man is preposterous. Yeah, I love I love prosecutors and defense attorneys. They always paint the picture. So this goes to show you and I think the real problem that she had was when she parked on the wrong floor. I think that's

where the distraction originally happened. Yeah, because after that, you're in autopilot. So she was driving while sexting to obviously yes, yes. And they said that in the previous two clips that she was yeah she was she was just going at it um and that I think that's how she ended up on the fourth floor instead the third floor and then you know all the Florida set up the same so you're just going through your your routine your

memory yeah your your routine muscle memory Sure. Yeah, your muscle memory and that's how she ended up that the door she assumed it was hers. The door the lock should have stopped there but it didn't and then then everything after that just

snowballs. But let's get into the Strategy three, done that revelation was this ongoing conversation between Amber Geiger and her partner this is evidence that the defense did not want jurors to see prosecutors say both officers deleted this conversation from their cell phones and when asked why diverse partner said this wasn't something he wanted to be reminded of. In the opening day of trial officer Amber Geiger saw her former partner take the stance which

you sent provocative photographs of yourself. Yes, Officer Martin Rivera testified about the racy messages they exchanged the day she shot and killed both them John. Want to touch read one Geiger sent around 930 that night. 30 minutes later she texted I need to hurry. And then I messed up. But using an expletive their messages prosecutor say she typed while on the phone with 911 reporting she'd shot John. Oh, man this. This just gets better. This is no longer a movie. This is a mini series

coming to lifetime or Yes, yes. You Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So as you stated she was she was texting. Distracted. And that's how she ended up but as you heard she was even texting after she shot the man. Yeah. So this is going to show you this. People stay off your phone. off the phone. Wow. I mean, it's the life or death and I don't want to oversimplify it or make it a phone issue. But this is how this thing can go really bad

really fast. So what is it go back you said that the 911 thing Ingle about her and being scripted this length lends more credence to that because I'm sure she texted her partner

slash lover. I effed up he was like hold on you know how well yeah well and this is this is not a typical for for law enforcement you know the minute something like this happens you know that it's obviously you've killed another human being even if you don't kill someone you shoot you you draw a fire or you draw your weapon you fire on someone there's a whole machine that starts to kick into gear and we've also been conditioned through television. Hey man, I

got my I got my unregistered weapon on my on my calf. We'll just plant that on the perp you know, we're, we're conditioned to think wait cops do that. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm ahead of the game again. No way. Do you have to take it and put it in his hand and fire off a shot? Oh, that's the bet yeah, I'm... Hey Moe, what are you, like a professional? I may not be law orders I've seen you gotta get the gunpowder residue on his hands. That's right. That's right. The point is we're conditioned to

already think that way. So even if I don't want to think that way, I can't help but think exactly what you said. She's distracted the whole thing happens she shoots them and then she's with a partner Oh shit, what do I do and he's like, Okay, first thing you do is whatever he said you know don't touch it turn around jumping the jump in the air and you know, standing standing on one foot and call nine one whatever it is. That point a process is already underway.

Yes, so let's get into the fight under strike. That clip does distract it for prosecutors say Geiger overlooks multiple warning signs, including John's bright red doormat that she was walking into the wrong apartment. But defense attorneys told the jury she was operating on autopilot and made an innocent mistake. But she's thinking, oh my god, there's an intruder in my apartment. And she's face to face with them. She's within 10

yards. He starts approaching her and she reacts like any police officer would who has a gun with confronting a burglary suspect. A Geiger supervisor testified that when confronting a burglar like this Dallas police officers are trained to do a tactical retreat, and then to call for backup but attorneys on both scientists agreed over whether that still applies when officers are off the clock. Doug.

Great. Let's talk about a couple of things for you go prosecutors also brought up a phone conversation Geiger and her partner had they said about three minutes or so before the shooting happened. Any idea what role prosecutors think this may have played in all of this? Dead prosecutors say that phone conversation lasted about 16 minutes far longer than their usual phone calls. And they even said that Amber Geiger pulled her car over. While it was

taking place. Prosecutors suggested that something may have happened on that call that affected her mindset just minutes before the shooting for President testified though that he didn't recall anything unusual. Oh man. It just gets better. There's just totally phone six something happened I know what happened 616 minute phone conversation you pull over to the side of the row and then the gauntlet. Oh, no, no, but no 16 minute phone conversation. Come on, brother. Yeah. He were to regret called.

And what's sad about it is whatever's going on between them. She pulls over to be safe during this massive distraction that's taking place. So she actually had whatever was going on. I have my thoughts was enough for her to pull over in that case. Oh, man. What uh, this is just a tragedy. It is all over. Yeah. So we're going back to the ABC movie trailer, aka the ABC news clip. backgrounder race car through John's family left in anguish took my life. My very own life.

While the community grapples with unanswered questions, we're still dealing in America with black people being killed, and some of the most arbitrary ways driving while black walking while black. And now we have the ad living while black. Sparking protest over what some say is a lack of transparency coming from the Dallas Police Department in the wake of the shooting. Wow, I don't think it was him. But it almost sounded like Reverend now there

for a moment. It certainly was the kind of thing Reverend Al would say. That was the new Reverend Al. Benjamin Crump. Oh, okay. Yeah, Benjamin Crump from the Trayvon Martin case. Brown Tamir Rice case so that was that's disgusting what he did there? Yeah, he would know it's his business now. I know I thought oh my goodness. Well, you want to get where you want to get the money? You gotta come in you got to put the leverage. Yeah. With them. You

get the protesters in the street. You heard him in the background. Yeah. You get the weeping weepy mother on the news, brother. And uh, you come in with the cat walk while black. We can't wait with the drywall black now you can't eat ice cream, Rob. No, no, no, no, no. I mean that living while living love life. That was genius. That's a new one. Right? So you can't even live? I mean, behind a locked door. I mean, yeah. Which is? It's true in a way, but this has. I don't

think this case, to this point. Let me be clear, to this point. had very little to do with race up until where we're at in the story. Let me let me practice that. Because it's gonna it's gonna Oh, okay. Well, yeah. Let's review. Let's review for a second because right now, it's a distraction. A whole bunch of stuff happens. And this man winds up getting killed. Yes, but we have not heard at any point. We've there's been no evidence that it's a racial issue. Except until I just heard this guy.

Yes. Which which you when you want to get the money. And that's his job. When Ben Crump comes in. He's there to get the money because he's not even with the prosecution. Now he's with the fat. He's the lawyer. He's the lawyer of the family on a civil try on a civil. Thank you. I was gonna ask. So Sharpton has his he has his foundation and which sharpens business model is is kind of old ish. And which Sharpton of course is a reverend. He's not a

lawyer. So what he does is he goes and protests outside the company until they pay him to go away. In this case, this guy's an attorney, and he's playing it up, but it's a civil suit. So he's looking at a multimillion dollar payday for the family, but really for him, based upon it, which is just like the OJ case was acquitted on from the Federal federal court and was convicted in civil court. Yes. And that's going forward and how this apparatus works. I believe. Crump gets on the phone

when his law matters. People get into the streets, which that used to be our shopping shop right before pre internet. Because you had to have that you had to have the ground game you got to replace everybody on the ground. Right. So now it's just and it's kind of like auto reaction whenever we are made because the internet is going to go into into what it does. Once it start trending, but you have to get it trending. You have to get notable people are a Shaun king who we've heard on this

show before. These people are tweeting about it, it picks up steam. Then crop swoops in and he gives the news clip remind me What city did this happen in? Where did this take place? Again, this happened in Dallas just happened Dallas, right Dallas. Okay. All right. Good. Yes. So that's that's how this whole thing works now in the race car has been played. So now we're gonna get into police privilege.

The thing that stood out to very most to me was the fact that when I listened to that call, not one time, did I hear Mr. Geiger say that she was in fear of her life. The Dallas Police Department was quick to respond, turning the case over to the state investigators, the Texas Rangers.

In order for us to be truly transparent to this community based on the circumstances, we have invited the Texas Rangers to conduct this, this investigation, but it would be a few days before Geiger was identified and arrested for manslaughter. The family had many questions for the authorities. The main one being that this police officer should not be given any preferential treatment. Oh, yeah. Okay. That's right. Because she's a cop, no preferential treatment,

right? Like cops are not gonna look out for cops in and that's what the thing was, is that they didn't release her name and they didn't arrest her for days. She's killed a man. I mean, that's clear. Now her motive behind it or reason behind it, but somebody's dead at the end of her gun. But the police department has kind of put the built that what they call the blue wall. Yeah. And that's for real and and there's understand I have understanding for some of that. Which whenever this happens line

of duty or not. And the thing is thin blue line. Oh, it was It wasn't like a TV show about them. Yeah. So yeah, I mean I I'm not what I haven't heard yet is if any, if anyone spoke to her if he knows if there was any judicial contact with her the way it sounds is, hey, you know, she just kind of disappeared into the woodwork while while everything was shaken out and she was free to come and go she wanted despite the fact she obviously killed someone in cold blood.

Right. She was allowed to do that for a few days before she was charged and arrested. She was so that goes to show the police privilege, which it like you said it does exist but exist in every I guess union, or many unions are gonna look out for themselves. Industries go look out for themselves and the police union is strong and very strong. Okay, so now, we're still on the ABC backgrounder. racecard nine. As details of that night emerged, protests grew louder, many demanding justice for John.

This is a case that raises a lot of sensitive questions, and there's going to be enormous public interest. And consequently, there's more of a desire to get that evidence out faster. More than two months after the arrest of the initial charge of manslaughter. A grand jury indicted Geiger who had since been fired on a murder charge. It's possible the grand jury just decided on its own, more likely that the prosecutors played a role in moving this from manslaughter to murder.

Hmm. Okay. Okay, so now we were picking up steam here, Wait a minute, wait a minute Moe. so. Does at some point during the story, do we get like, Soros pops up, please, please? Please tell me? No, no. So I can't confirm nor deny sorrows had me doing. But this is in this case, this is the new sorrows sound effects. Never sort of shows up.

Okay. Yeah, Searles didn't show up in this one. But what I would like to do is now the way police are viewed in this country by either economic status, or racial divisions, is totally different, depending on which side of the West are you looking at him from? So what I wanted to do is take because this is where

this is the crux of the problem. I think, well, we're coming right down to what everything in the past while in a long time actually in the United States has been is a cops you know, and then and since Kaepernick it's on on a on a human, a global stage with police brutality towards black people, that is yes, no, that is the narrative and it's shit, man, it's I think it's generally accepted by

most. So what I want to do is get into a little history. We all gotta get a little history on the Moe Factz and Adam Curry show, because that gives context. So let's get into history of policing in America one police here to serve and protect recently facing scrutiny nationwide, regardless and American institution, but they didn't just show up out of nowhere. Hey, guys, I'm Melissa

Salvatore for at 12. Today we're taking a look at how police came to be in America, the colonies and eventually America itself relied on very loosely organized volunteer groups to handle things like finding lost kids and catching criminals. Basically glorified Neighborhood Watch is about as effective as

Vince Vaughn's this lesson until the mid 1800s. Inspired by the founding of the London Metropolitan Police Department, many American cities officially established their own, like the NYPD established in 1845, with less than 200 staff within 25 years, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago and La would all have unified former police departments. These quickly became cesspools for corruption since politicians would do all the hiring. If you didn't want to work with the

guys in office, you're out. La went through 13 police chiefs in 10 years before 1889 reform came between 19 119 30 Thanks to a number of progressive investigations. Now police were recruited and hired on merit, not on political connection. Okay, that's a very, very high energy. very abbreviated version of the history of the police in the United States. Where does it come from? Where's that from that? That came from our ad 12 YouTube channel. So it's very, very,

very abbreviated. But what I wanted to show is police in itself He has an origin out of corruption. Let's be clear. From this from the history of it, but she's clipped to have this piece. We'll clear that up a little bit. police reform never stopped. It just took more of a philosophical turn. Like in the 60s when police race relations came to the American forefront. And today when many of those same issues are back in the national conversation, no

surprise considering how much policing has grown. Remember that 200 Man original NYPD today it's about 35,000 part of the most recent national data available counting more than 1.1 million state and local police employed in America. Now, you know, from AB 12. You know, I need to disclose some bias I have in this Moe. Yes, please. During the 80s and 90s, working at MTV and in New York every year, Joan Jett and I would visit the orphans and

widows of the NYPD for Christmas. And so these were orphans and widows of officers who are widows and widowers who were killed in the line of duty. So I do know some of this from both sides. I know a lot of people in firefighters EMTs and I am amazed personally at how they don't become incredibly jaded in in my case, they have a shit and they have a shit job and and they're getting well and this was I guess it's all a as long as I've really been aware of this it's there's always been pushed back

and you know oh my god are you just shooting black people? But also I hear how cops talk about people you know when that when they're not on camera? And it's it's a challenging mental occupation for sure. It's almost like being in the military you know, it's like when I was in Iraq and when you hear Marines talking about I them damn rag heads tall heads is shocking, right? But go sit there for I was there for 10 days. And I was like, Holy crap, this is hell. So it's very hard to place

yourself in someone else's shoes in general, anytime, anywhere. I just I need to just say I'm gonna have some bias because I got I understand a little bit from what I've experienced from the other side. Okay, so here's the weird problem with policing and black America. If something goes wrong, how do we call the police? Yeah. So

that's understood. The problem is okay, so say for instance, just for sake of argument if I'm a racist white person, right what job can I get what I can where I can harass people that I don't like illegally. Pool guard like Joe Biden. Right. Crusher popcorn Okay. Corn pop. Yeah. Williams Yeah, exactly.

As Esther that's it. Esther. Esther. You so what I'm saying is you have these people these bad actors embed themselves into the police department because they know this gives me access to go into these communities and be a bad actor and I can hide under the protection of the blue Yeah, and that I think is is pretty farcical I can see how someone on the on the force gets very jaded and mentally twisted just because of the job.

But know what I'm saying is coming into into I understand so I yeah, I've got a doubt that that's mean to I don't know it's I certainly understand the thinking that and we're set up to think that way no doubt that this is where we get into the the two perspectives. Now do I think all cops are bad? No. Do I think all dogs are bad? No. But I don't like dogs. Because of the fact I can get bitten by one. I'm just being honest with you. So whenever I see a dog,

people say oh, that's my dog. He won't bite you know, he won't bite you. Dogs Careful now, you You understand what I'm saying? Is by course I do. It's a nap. It's a it's a natural fear. And the reason why we're having this conversation is because I'm gonna go and dig out where that fear comes from Nice. Now we once we get there, it's like being in a black hole, we got to get the pit out, you know, we got to get it out. And then we can understand each

other's perspective. Next, like I say, somebody breaks into my house right now I'm going to pick up the phone call 911. That's the natural reaction, because my tax payer dollars pay for them to provide the service to me that they provide. And I won't be thinking, Oh, I don't want to call 911 Because they're going to shoot me. You know, I mean, that's not, but. And I want to be less detailed. Well, hold on.

Let me ask you the question. Okay. So now up. So your house is broken into by a black gun, you want to you want to call your your protective force that you're paying for any point, do you think Holy shit, they might go after the wrong blackout? In the moment, I won't be thinking about that. Okay. So like I said, it's the it's the it's a weighing of threat. The guy breaking into my house is a way further higher threat than the than the police subconscious. And I want to call

it fear awareness of what could go wrong, right. But what you have is, as we always talked about with the media doing what they've done, what we illustrated in all the clips previous stoking the fire, when you have the talk gone wrong, have you know, that's why I'm saying this while we do this? Because it's not you have a totally different perspective

for police. Because you didn't have the talk go wrong with you know, you didn't have a mother, like we had, I think showed two or three saying you could die at any moment? No, of course not. In fact, my mom of the talk we had, and I'm older than you. So it may have changed with half a generation of the talk. I had my mom said, if you ever have a problem, if you're lost, or you don't feel safe, look for a police officer and go up to them. That is the talk I received as a white man in America.

Well, it's the complete opposite for most cases, because no shit most black people will say go the other way. If you see polling. That's so sad. And it's not it's not that it's okay. When you do the averages. It's like, okay, what is the percent chance that this could go wrong? Maybe 5% 3%. I listened to the mentee. If I listened to the media. No, you said you just said 5%. I've been thinking No, much higher than that. That's my perception.

Right? Because I'm able to put things in perspective. Now. I'm not one of those people. Like, oh, dude never happened. You know, I mean, I'm not that guy, either. Because I know I live in reality, right? And these things can happen. I'm just to make sure we don't draw this out too much. But and we're gonna get into the next clip, but blue lights in our rearview mirror, trigger something to us. Yeah, that's a good I'm talking about a good physical reaction. I mean, you're a leader. And and

like I said, I live in a reality. I don't live in a hyper fear mode. But I had to be aware of this. I'm like, I don't mean, my life is a straight, you know, my car, you know, I'm not breaking any laws, but just a natural gut reaction. So what are we going to find out where that comes from? And this is from the stimulator YouTube channel. It's, it's super woke, super woke, alert. upset, but slave patrols the birth of modern police

to understand slave patrols. It's important to understand that the slow development of the state intervention in maintaining slave society, beginning with simply passing laws that would restrict the activities of slaves, and then laws on their own being insufficient authorizing any

adult white man to enforce those laws. But then the reliance on individual action proving insufficient forming into this body called slave patrols that were offered to the militia and worked as kind of a voluntary compulsory organizations meaning the participation was mandatory, but it wasn't a professional outfit that provided a way of making the entire white male population directly involved in maintaining slave society. As

industrialization came to the south. And there were larger slave populations and southern cities, the slave patrols moved similarly into the city. And there they became professionalized, and very quickly their duties expanded and they became a body that we would immediately recognize as modern police force. And when was this the slave patrols the Jim Crow era set the idea or this was this was pre Civil War. Oh, God, this was pre This is

pre Civil War when slavery still existed. So So that was just some background of there is a school of thought. And Colin Kaepernick and even Jamel Hill she got into trouble behind this from ESPN fame all right then they are yeah that police are were work came from slave patrols. Now that's a that's a far stretch. But when you look at the formation of the kk k post Civil War I mean post Civil War and then the infiltration of

southern plumps and we speak about Southern here. So the police departments of the kk k, when you look at Bull Connor, when you watch civil rights films and you see police dogs being sick now all this is psychological. Oh, how about how about black Klansmen? Right? Correct. So when you see fire hoses being sprayed on people, when you see billy clubs being used on people, and then you know, you factor that into this narrative, you can't you can see why that's not a far leap.

Oh, absolutely. And when we have many people, leaders in many communities who witnessed that themselves, Elijah Cummings comes to mind. You know, where this there's actual footage of stuff that happened as far as I know. And I can't discredit anything he he was a part of or wasn't a part of just him constantly reminding people Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm aware of that. Sure. Every time they speak, they always speak about the billy club going across their head and you know, their brains almost

get knocked loose. So that mean they keep they keep this perpetuation alive. Now, we've got one more clip on slide patrol alive and well in America. Slave patrol regulations for Rowan County, North Carolina 1825. First, patrol shall be appointed at least four in each captain's district. Second, it shall be their duty for to have their number at least to patrol their respective districts once in every week in failure thereof, they shall be subjected

to the penalties prescribed by law. Third, they shall have power to inflict corporal punishment if to be present degree in their 2/4. One patroller shall have power to seize any Negro slave who behaves insolently to a patroller or otherwise unlawfully or suspiciously and holds such slave in custody until he can bring together a

requisite number of patrollers to act in the business. Fifth, previous to entering on their duties patrols shall call on some acting magistrate and take the following oath to wit, I A be appointed to appointed one of the patrollers by the county court of Rowan for company B's company, do hereby swear That I will faithfully execute the duties of a patroller to the best of my ability, according to law and the regulations of the county court. The National Humanities Center has many other

similar reports of its archives. slave patrols were a regular feature of the South. Its first settlement by slave owning Europeans until the decades after Reconstruction, when slavery was abolished, but whites in the south still wanted to keep blacks in their place. The slavery patrols were largely replaced by or simply renamed as the kk k. Small Town sheriff's. Yeah, this is from Hartman, I think. Yes, this is from the big picture Artie Yeah, I don't like him. I've never liked him.

He's problematic. Yeah, yeah, he's super woke as well. So what is the cops this would be covering the history of police? This for last four clips. What is the commonality between all for these clips? Well, they're presuming that all the cops are white. Now all the presenters are white. Oh, I'm so in. Yeah, well, hello. Did that for a reason? You tricking me againMoe? No, I'm not tricking you. What I'm saying is, yeah, that's

a good point. If they have no perspective, or they have a perspective, but it's only one Yeah. But if I'm thinking hey, this is as the conspiracy or maybe I'll read too much into this. And I clicked on I start watching the videos and it wasn't hard to find once I google one, you know this, you know, your suggestions like one after the other after the other. You get into that, you know, into that rabbit hole. This is how you come up with the woke

anti police narrative. Well, I'm Hmm, only confirms the bias that you have. Yes. Well, interesting in general, and I don't know if that's because your Moe and Moe Factz of research. You asked me what was the cause? I? I didn't think of that for a second. That they were all white. That would never have crossed my mind. Now the reason why I said that is it just leads credence to Yeah, I understand. I'm leaning that way. That just wrapped it up for me. Oh, yeah. See? Yeah, even white people, white

people think so check. Yes. Good catch. So, alright, so going back to the I just wanted to get us to how you have, as we said before, you have the two sides watching this ABC special, seven minute special, and they're picking sides. This is how the two sides are formulated. You have one side that are pro police, because they look at police, like you said is if you're ever in trouble, that's where you go to. And then you have the other side or just like right, I don't

know. Right. So this is how the two sides are. Formulate. So But fast forward back to the case. Thank God, we don't have to worry about that. Because the Sheriff of Dallas, black woman, yep. Right, Renee Hall. The judge and the case was Miss Tammy camp. And let's listen to the makeup of the jury. And we did get our chance by the way to see the makeup of the jury as well while our crews were in the courtroom today. So

here's what we know. We got eight women, for men on the 12 person jury five of them are black for Hispanic two people are white, one person of Asian descent. There are also four alternates, all of those are women, all of them are sequestered now for the length of this trial. Okay. So we got that we got the jury and when I say we I'm being somewhat facetious, but it's like, Okay, we got the judge. We got the sheriff. We got the jury. What could possibly go wrong from here? Well, we

get right. It's like okay, but there is a reluctance. See, because it's like we've seen this story before. It's like Louis and Lucy with the football. So it's still so thanks there. Because like, man, we've seen people get out before we saw the Rodney King case they have video. Beaten this man the street and these guys still got off. So they're these they're anxious there. But let's hear the verdict of the case.

We're breaking news out of Dallas, Texas right now a jury has just found a former Dallas police officer guilty on murder charges. You remember Amber Geiger. She was charged last year after shooting and killing her unarmed neighbor. Ed Lavandera is outside the courthouse with a very latest ad this just happened fill us in. Well, we'll let you see how it unfolded inside this courtroom here in Dallas just moments ago as the judge read the verdict against Amber Geiger.

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. The jury had been reached a verdict. Miss Geiger and your team would you please stand? We the jury unanimously find the defendant Amber Geiger guilty of murder as charged in the indictment. No outburst. You could hear the gas there inside the courtroom as the verdict was announced both them John's family the 26 year old accountant who was murdered by Amber Geiger about a year ago

were inside that courtroom. They've been wearing red every day of coming to trial here but that was both them John's favorite color Amber Geiger is a family also inside that courtroom. Outside the courtroom. You can see the heavy security presence here at the courthouse. You have to go through a second layer of security get to get to the courtroom that is at the end of the hallway. You could hear cheering outside that courtroom just shortly after that verdict was read here.

Well, this is interesting. A murderer verdict? Is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Yeah, she said she wanted to kill him. Oh, she said that. She was shooting to kill. Ah okay, that's pretty damn premeditated. Yeah, so she was shooting to kill. Now you're saying the reasoning behind that? Was it because she thought she was actually in her own apartment.

Well, premeditated is open for interpretation in this case, but if she said if she said I was shooting to kill, yeah, that's not just shit. That's a tough one. But yeah, okay. I'm I'm listening. So you heard the courtroom when they read the verdict. People celebrate. It's like yes, yes. I mean, because we saw this with the OJ case in reverse. Yep. So and, and I was living in New York when this happened, and I remember when the verdict came in. I mean, it rippled through

the entire city man, it was in the buildings. Everyone was talking about it. There was no there was outrage, it was all kinds of emotions. Just this the only description I can give it rippling, like tea, you know, from the TV all through the city. So that was 95 I think correct? I think so. Yeah. So, what, 20 years later? Well, no, most people think he's guilty now. I have my own bag goes to show you how things I have the case Yeah, we're not

gonna get into the case. Of course, most telling you how things change course, of course, and my community in 95 O J. B and the juice was loose. He was saying like, you know, yeah, he got all the bananas. But now many years later, like, Screw that guy. Get any black person. They know what you know why that is? No, because he says I'm not black. I'm OJ. Who? He was cancelled. Big time. Cancelled. Funny, funny. Funny that that becomes his most egregious mistake is to say this now? I said yes.

And that's what we that's why they were able to make that. What are the effects showed it kind of rewrote history? Wrote it correctly. I don't care. I mean, how have you seen? I mean, I don't really get into I can say we have to view things like they are. These are sporting events. Yeah. This is like the Superbowl or whatever else to the network. Yes. And I get people all you know, I'm I'm a cowboy. I'm a Redskin. You know, no, you're not. You're out of shape guy sitting on a couch.

You're gonna be What are you talking about? I miss? Yeah. Yes, me included. I mean, what I'm saying. I mean, me included. I mean, I'm not actually on the team. But it's the same manipulation. So die has done for it done for enormous profit in sports world. But yeah, of course, it's manipulation.

And done for the same way here enormous profits. I would like to see how many clicks this case got or how many, you know, that's why I said when I started to show off, I said that, um, made it through the social, you know, manipulation, because you can't avoid this conversation anywhere. And it was just like, Oh, God, you sit down to lunch table, and he was like, that's what people were talking about. You go online, that's what people were talking about. But even for even more reason, as

we're going to see, so, okay, she's found guilty. So it's like, it's a huge win. It's like, yes, we got her. Um, so let's listen to Benjamin Crump. Talk about the murderer, Ben Crump. When the verdict came down. Most of us were surprised that she was found guilty. And that's pathetic. Thomas, unbelievable. My co counsels Dara Washington, Lee Merritt, and we counted the night before, how many

commentators? I mean, it is white lawyers who will be saying the totally opposite thing had both them went into the wrong apartment and killed Amber Geiger. But they all say there is no way you're gonna get a murder conviction on this case. In fact, most of them said she was going to walk. So it is so bittersweet this morning, that we can come Tom and Sylvan talk about how when we have people show up for jury duty, because we have a diverse jury that we can get equal justice under the

law. And what a good feeling it is for the family and for so many other who prayed for Justice Thomas, pray that this woman wouldn't get away with this because what message would that have sent to the world? Where would black people be safe in America from not being killed by police? Fuck this guy. And crop the same guy. Or two from before? Yeah, he's talking to you, guy he's talking to you notice your guy? Yeah. Tom Joyner. It's my Oh, my gosh. Hey, you already set me straight on Tom

Joyner is he's my ex guys no longer in the club. Wow. But this also? I mean, I mean, you just, this is Black radio. Yes. Early in the morning. That's right. And like I said, that's a whole nother I want to go back to my thing rang the bell on the previous clip and they said they read was his favorite color. He had to read doormat. doormat about it. Theremin please. Whoa, what's going on Moe, alright, theramin is playing I'm not gonna harp on this much. But hermetic theater.

hermetic theater. Yes. Not familiar is where they say like numerology is important in these cases and color coding. Now I'm going way out there, but this is for the, this is for the, for my people in the back. Everything she wore was blue. Oh, God, our dresses were blue. On the other side. Right, everything was red. I'm just gonna leave that where it is. I'm gonna leave that where it said, which is that? I just want to say that

for the people that know what I'm talking about. And that goes back to the Masonic houses and we Illuminati kind of stuff. But it is also a Bloods and Crips color thing or is that just my, our Democrat or Republican? Well, obviously I mean, there's a lot of red and blue stuff. So yeah, throw that in there. Yes. Nice. I just thought that was weird. All we need is a number 33 to pop up. And I'm convinced.

Right? So I always I knew why she was wearing blue. On just on the on the level because it's like our she's trying to identify as police. Every dress she wore was blue. Every picture in Korab. Look, every time you say please other pictures to people please sharing with me. But she was signaling that that it was built and that's gonna be important these next few clips. So I love you Moe. Good. I just thought we were done. No, no, there's more. No, no, no, no visionary crop. verdict. Two,

let's talk about conviction. And the time that he's going to be the she's gonna get for the murder conviction. How much time can she get? What's the maximum, she can get up to 99 years in prison, literally. In fact, nobody thinks this is going to happen. They could have put in for the death penalty. But this is Texas where they kill more people, especially black and brown people than anywhere else in

America. But if she can get from five years to not deny yours is all up to the jury or they can do it down with departure as well, Tom, however, I look at this jury and the composition of

this jury. And I believe with the prosecutor bringing out about her Facebook post that is could arguably be considered racism in many regards, that this jury is not going to let these intellectual justifications stop them from returning a verdict that is appropriate in this end justify the killing of this black man eating ice cream on his couch in his apartment where he had every legal right to be. Oh, nice. Let's bring in a little racism and let's kill her ponente Yeah.

Yeah, to stop that flame. So now he brought up the makeup of the jury. I'm sorry, let me just stop you for a second. I live. I live in Texas. I don't like killing anything. I don't hunt. But the obsession we have in the United States with killing. I think that we should definitely have capital punishment, but we should televise it. We should put it on TV so everybody can see it. And not just this oh, let's let's kill her. Let's kill him death penalty. You know, that can't just be happening in

secret. So I'm not against this. And I can understand if something happened to someone. I love how I would feel about it. And living in Texas. I would probably be quite Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no. Put a marker in that statement that you just said. You remember how you will feel? I didn't mean abrupt you but out but I want you to remember that course. Remember that? Okay. So if you can finish your thought you want to but I use one. Do you know

what I was saying? I'm good. Yes. Okay, so now I want you to do two two things for me. Play the jury make up again and then go right into the ex Dallas officers and we did get our chance by the way to see the makeup of the jury as well while our crews were in the courtroom today. So Here's what we know we got eight women, for men on the 12 person jury, five of them are black for Hispanic two people are white, one person of Asian descent. There are also four alternates all of those are

women. All of them are sequestered. Now for the length of this trial. A jury has sentenced former Dallas police officer Amber Geiger to 10 years in prison. She was convicted of murdering her unarmed neighbor both of them John in his own apartment. Omar via Franco reports from Dallas. Yes, the same jury that convicted former police officer Amber Geiger of murder has now decided her sentence.

We the jury find unanimously that the defendant did not cause the death of both John while under the immediate influence of sudden passion, arising from inadequate cause and assess the defendant's punishment at 10 years imprisonment in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice Geiger face between five years and life behind bars for killing her neighbor. 26 year old both them John. Sounds like we had some compassion from the female members of the jury.

10 years for murder. Is he talking about a huge kick in the balls? Yeah. Now speaking from one perspective now, you've talked about a huge kick in the balls. I got shot dead. Eating ice cream and it's apartment. And the lady gets 10 years. Oh, and a, Moe. If it was if it was my son who got killed? Honestly, just just hypothetically speaking, I'd be waiting for it to come out of jail after 10 You understand that I think you do the same.

Remember you say that you're saying because all right. Okay, go into outrage at the amber Geiger. There is no piece of no Justin he should have been 25 to 99 The Rage was immediate in the crowd watching the murder trial. How many? Before you understand that our lives matter rage at a sentence of just 10 years. But then, minutes later, both John's mother stepped up to the microphone wanting to talk about more than just the sentence now corruption that we saw during this process must stop. And it

must stop for you. Because after now I leave Dallas, but you live in Dallas, and it must stop for everyone. Allow me to nuance what I said if it was my son. That's how I'd feel in it. What happened here is justice took place. I wasn't in the court. The jury seems pretty balanced. It doesn't make none of this. It's a tragedy. None of it makes anything right. Shit, man, this is very tough. There's one piece of evidence. And I left it out. You bastard. So we

can go back. Alright, so you remember in the mom and the original question. I want love to go through the process and the love and the love and the love right. Now she's like, Oh, it's the corruption. You know. It's interesting. All right. So Brenton John, is Botham's brother, Amber in between the guilty verdict. And the cynics sentencing. They allowed the family to get what they call impact statements. Yeah, when you get to address your you get to address the killer or whatever it is.

Right. Let's listen to John Brant. And he's gonna say this. He's what he said is representative of how the whole brain John family felt about the case. I can speak for myself, I I forgive you. And I know if you go to God and ask Him, He will forgive you and I don't think anyone could say it. Again. I'm speaking for myself. I'm not even bad for my family. But I love you just like anyone else. And I'm not gonna say I hope you rot and die.

Because like my brother did, but I see I personally want the best for you. And I wasn't gonna ever say this in front of my family or anyone but I don't even want you to go to jail. I want the best Free I don't know if it's possible, but can I give her a hug? Please? Oh, please. Wow. I didn't hear about this. And he got killed for the dead he did. This man said, I don't want you to go to jail. I want the best for you. Can I hugger? Please? Wow, disgusting.

And the reason why I say that is I can't I'm not saying people can't be forgiving. But this factored into the sentencing. Ah, wait a minute. Okay, so this is pre sentencing. Whoa, well, corruption from her own family. Wow, would that be Adam? I'm afraid to say anything at this point. I will say it for you. Okay. Ben Crump. What did I say? He does? Yeah, he Bri he makes it rain? He does. Part of that deal is we can't have an uprising in the streets.

Can't have a bloodlust? Because we seen that I mean, that kind of what factored into the Ferguson? Sure. And when, when the father got up there say, you know, we won't have any peace. You know, he was kind of like, you know, now I want to say inside and right. But it mean, he has a visceral reaction that you had. And I mean, you were speaking hypothetically, and he was speaking really know from the heart. Yeah. So that's and

this is not the only case where you've seen this. We've seen this over and over again, I understand what you're saying. So you're saying that, Ben Crump. That's where the deal was cut. Ben Crump says, Okay, we're not going away. We need to we need to get paid. And this just has to lead to a conviction. Now how that works inside a jury and corrupting a jury. I don't know. I don't want to go. It doesn't it doesn't but but it's like we need to get

paid. But we're also going to temper everybody so that don't go too crazy. Is that the idea? So we don't have riots in the streets. So this Ben Crump works for all sides. Exactly. That guy's evil. Boulais! No no no no, I didn't have a sound effect for Boulais Wow, yes shoot you got me. You guys his artworks you talk to him you go on the radio all the death penalty. But now I'm speculating speculating here. But we've seen this over

and over and over again and family comes out. Oh, we love Him and we forgive and we I mean immediately it's not like you had you know, let me let me let me see him sitting in jail for you know for a few years let me let me say Reese calibrate Hatfield? No, no, no, no. He got up on the stand and says I don't want to see you go to jail and then back to hug her. The woman that shot and killed your brother that's pretty big. He I think he oversold it you saw those AMS coming your way for

the people don't know what AMS all those are millions. You saw the AMS come your way racks. Right. Make it rain. Oh, get out here and he got up there. And I think like you said he didn't plan and say that overplayed Yeah. Okay, so let's go to bottom. John brother clean up. By the time I didn't know the cameras on I after the sentencing I so I'm most family leave the room and follow with

Ranbir. And we left and came back. Upon coming back. I didn't think any comments to be on I thought it was over because we have the conviction. We have the sentencing. And I was asked to they asked all of us, any of us who wanted to do the victim impact statement and that's when I I came up and I said I'll do it. And then house of not knowing the attention would get

what I did based on what I had to say. I meant what I said and I thank God I got the courage she says it's important to note that in Brandis told me before that two minutes before he gave the impact statement, he wasn't given any statement. And then two minutes later, he was on the on the, in the witness box, speaking his heart to the person who murdered his brother just showed incredible bravery. But

it wasn't something done for show. And I think that's the reason it's connected so well all over the country. Wow. Where did that come from? Where'd you get that? Yeah, that was post post. The Senate seeing I think a few days later, they had a press conference. And that was the other lawyer of the family speaking. He was the local lawyer they got and then crops we've seen things happen. You have a local affiliate, and then you have you know, the big man come in and he um, he works

his match. Where's this? Where's he? Where's this family from? Originally? I can't place the accents. Like Creole is like, No, I think it's Hey, they say st something in St. Lucia St. Yes. St. Lucia. That's it. Okay. All right. Okay, so once he said that, I forgive you. And like I said his sentiments were representative of all the family because the father got up there said, oh, I want to be your friend. And oh, man, it was disgusting. Um, by just let his work because he was the most

egregious and aironet killed him. I mean, actually, literally, they want to kill him. Because they looked at like you. He was the C word. Okay, I'm gonna say that is by definition of the word Kooning at its finest. Yeah, we've talked that we've talked about this. Yes. See, oh, in for people don't know Kooning. Yes, you get your brother is killed. Called blurred. And you get this. Oh, I love you. And I don't want to see you and I want to hug you please. As they jokey. What kind of.

So are you insinuating here that Crump said M's are common racks and stacks gonna make it rain? Chill? Yes. Geez. You can't you can't talk crap. Because if he gets up there said, I won't see your burden. Like, I want to get this clip but Samuel Jackson and Tom McHugh. Yeah, did it. And I hope they burn the hell. I mean, that's what you Yeah, yeah. If you do that the streets can explode. Okay, kidding. And so it's like, hey, you know, I mean, I think there's a wink and

a nod nod there. You know, it's like, yeah, how walk back, you know? Well, no, but now I'm giving myself some pause. Okay, so I'm putting myself in this in the family in the same situation. And this is what I'm told. It's like, okay, you can go, we can rant and rave, and we can get all you know, upset. He's not coming back. But here's the alternative. If we do X, Y, and Z, and these people are distraught. And you've got a crop, right or wrong. Yeah, I'm saying you gotta go. I'm just

trying to play it up. And you got to Crump talking in your ear saying, okay, you know, this is exactly what he would say, look, he's not coming back. But you know, here's that, here's $10 million, or whatever the number is, and I'm gonna get this for you. But here's how we have to do it. Yes, we have to live off the bottom. Yes. Know how that conversation goes. I know how it goes as my you know, he's not here anymore. But you know, we could do great things. You know

what, we bought them low. And you heard that a lot with everybody. What will bow womb? Yeah, we have like bow. I think the hashtag was like live like bow or something like that. There was a hat. They had T shirts with hashtags on him and Chris red t shirt. Red, red, red. T shirts. Yeah. Yeah, with some kind of weird. Go look at pictures. You're some kind of weird pyramid shape on it. I'm just saying,

you know, you've I'm just telling you this this. This turn in the show has made me sad in many ways. Oh, it gets worse. I'm sorry to say you but okay. Okay. Ain't no happy ending to this one. Oh, I'm sorry folks. So branch out John wasn't the only one accused of cloning. Let's listen to this is TD Hip Hop media on YouTube when she got down from the bench in gave Amber Geiger a hug after the 10 year sentencing goes to show how scared the judge actually was

for her livelihood. As it pertains to remaining a judge. You don't bite the hand that feeds you, nor the hand that protects you. Now let's get into the conversation at hand or I should say the topic at hand. And that's about the amber Geiger trial. Now I'm not going to be The Dead Horse with this one, but I do want to talk about something that I have not heard

a lot of people talk about already. And it's something that you may not know, in regards to, we'll say put in context to why the actions of the judge and the black police officer in the courtroom during the amber Geiger trial was the way it was why it was so before finish, and nonsensical watching the judge hug Amber Geiger after being sentenced to 10 years and after being found guilty for murder, you see the black female police officer fixing the hair of amber Geiger. This was all very

strange and nonsensical. And before finish and left a lot of us wondering what in the world is actually going on here. Now TD this is only on YouTube, YouTube, TV hip hop, yes, yes. Well, they're doing a great job and following what the mainstream does is just making hay out of dead people. So let me put some context of what he's talking about there. So after the sentencing, Miss Tammy, and this is what they call her now. Tammy, the mammy camp comes down and I'm being

serious to me. These people are hated. In the literal quote, the judge, the judge, the black judge, the one we're counting on bring it home, Tammy? She doesn't do Samson. She doesn't do sentencing. She got Yeah, no weights. I'll tell you what, what she does do. Okay. She comes out and lifts up the stand. Hogs the shooter, the convicted shooter, gives her her personal Bible, her personal Bible that's me, let me give you some perspective to personal

Bibles and black people inside baseball. Giving you a personal Bible that's kind of like so you do give it to another family member. You know, like, you know, your grandma gave you like child on Reference Bible for some. I have a professional Bible and given it anybody. Right. The judge comes off the stand. The blue judge, the blue judge. Ah, comes out this day. And she ain't the only one. There was an unnamed cop. I couldn't find her name. When she

was convicted foul guilty. The black woman comes over to her hand strokes her hair like she's a small little child coming in her fingers through her hair, consoling her. The blue bailiffs the blue bailiff. This ain't black and white, bro. This is red and blue. This is blue. This is bullies. Yes, sir. And that's what I was saying is just like, even. And like I say, we didn't want Tammy to do anything illegal to tilt the trial. We didn't want him saying we don't. But when you see

people put in places. You got the conviction. And then the family does this. It's like, I will tell you what it is. It's something that you will say it's a bit nothing burger. I've never said that. What are you talking about? I would never use a Van Jones term ever. You bastard. You saved it an hour and 43 minutes and you got me very good. You put out there nothing. You had to do the nothing burger on me. I'll never live it down. Now, I thought was perfect time

very well. Well, this is where this is where people would be like, Man, you get the conviction. The lady says she meant to kill the man. And then you get 10 years in it. And like I said, it can't be that quick blue. One question on the timing. Yeah, did the judge come down and hug her and give her personal Bible after the verdict or after the conviction? After the sentencing after the sourcing flower? Yes. Wow. And like I said, you had to look at

this in real time. This happened like in a 48 hour span. And this is why this is a huge kick in the nuts to the black people that were invested in this story. And this was I don't get invested in the stories. Because it's like you get the conviction. You heard the joy of the big krumping Tom Joyner Yeah, we did it. Yeah, we got her. And like he's talking nine year death penalty. It's like, oh, man, we

got this rap in the bag. And it's like, did you get the brother go up there doing it sentencing and it's all over you too. It's like, oh, man, can you hit his clown? and you have the lady bailiff consoling the shooter. But I mean, like, like you would do a small child like rubbing her and it's the imagery. I mean that's that's just colorist it's just in but it's inappropriate in any case in any color. It's inappropriate for officers of the court to conduct themselves

that way. Walking into probate because what we talked about colorism listed where it plays. You have a very dark skin bayleaf consoling a blond haired white woman that is being kicked out guilty of murder the imagery. I'm not like I said, I don't. I'm talking about what it looks like. It looks messed up is what it looks like. And they you have Tammy come out. I'll first stand and say here, child, here's my Bible. I want you to read from every day. And then the lady gets 10 years. But wait,

there's more. No, no, no, I can't handle more. key witness. There is a murder mystery in Dallas tonight. A witness in the trial of former police officer Amber Geiger was shot and killed a Friday night. Joshua Brown's death comes 10 days after he gave key testimony in that case, here's Mike Oliver. Like we have one on the Dallas Police a 27 year old Joshua brown suffered multiple gunshot wounds and was found lying on the ground in the

parking lot of his apartment Friday night. Brown used to live in the same apartment complex as former Dallas police officer Amber Geiger and her victim. He was just across the hall from Botham, John that night in September 2018. When Geiger said she mistakenly walked into Shawn's apartment and shot him with her service weapon. Just last week, Brown told the jury he heard the interaction between Geiger and John followed by gunshots that detail one of the voices was getting loud to me as

livestock police or anything of that nature. That was my gun pointed. And I'm saying Let me see your hands. Let me see your hands. Geiger was sentenced to 10 years in prison. Dallas Police are still searching for a suspect and a motive. Several witnesses say they saw a silver four door sedan Speedway from the apartment complex. The Dallas County prosecutor called Browns testimony brave and said that he came forward to testify lane when others wouldn't still so many

unanswered questions. Meg, thank you. Oh my God, just so you know that to crime is one of the most popular podcast categories right now. You've basically taken us to the top of iTunes as far as I'm concerned. Because this you can look at this many ways. But this kind of turns everything on his head at the very end leaves us with questions unanswered. Conspiracy theories, no kidding. Because we got to keep it going. So we can revisit the case every

year. And we can keep talking about it and keep making money off of it. People don't get invested in these stories. You're being led along by the nose and you're being manipulated and it's all about money for everybody. Almost everybody involved in this unbelievable well, as much fun as I had during the show. I need to take a shower and I need to calm down. This is very disturbing. And it's it's really

disturbing how this played out and a won't stop. It just will keep on going now with this, because we have the guy saying something that doesn't fit the sentencing doesn't fit the conviction doesn't fit the scenario that was painted for us. Oh, and he's dead. There the lead witness chased the lead witnesses ended up dead shot days after the sentencing. But there's hope because I don't want to leave people on a down note. Okay. If you don't

participate in this, these shows. And that's why I opened this up this podcast up with saying they sold us tours as a movie. It's just gonna be another movie another blockbuster. Don't participate. turn the television off. If you want to help people deal with one on one to one relation just like me you do Adam. We can't hear how the conversation man

you. You know we push back on each other on our perspective perspectives and you made me understand where you're coming from and I shot to make you understand where I was coming from and where, how they're able to play On our pullout heartstrings not let them and as it turns out, it's it's very possible for people of different backgrounds to have normal conversations and talk through stuff. Very much so but not with the help of the mainstream media with elite structures in general.

And it's up to us, I mean, not just you and I but to everybody you're right, you got you got to stay away from this stuff or look at work on looking at it with open eyes as to what's really going on because you're not just seeing something unfold in front of

you, you are being pulled in and becoming a part of the story. We heard it there that you're a part of the story when you're out protesting and screaming and outraged and from all sides, you're being drawn in it's it's very meta, but you're part of the drama, and it's only benefiting in most cases, big corporations who set out to manipulate you to get the money in the first place. Whilst that's, that's right. Well, speaking of which, we're podcasters. So we make no money

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thank you for an excellently produced show. You bring it every single time and I really, really appreciate it Moreover, because this is exactly what I was talking about my very own house, I had no idea and if you read my mind, you helped me and I know that my wife is smiling in the car right now going like now I know what's going on and boy am I glad that I've gotten Moe factz to take me by the hand and lead me down the journey of the correct path.

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