09: One Drop

Moe Factz with Adam Curry for September 30 2019. This is episode number nine. Moe. How you doin Adam. I'm doing good man. How are you? I am doing well, sir. You know, on the last episode, we learned something really important. Mainly that the elites of the world wanting to kill us. It's not just a white thing. It's a black thing too. I was so happy to hear that. Yes, there's a quality black elites want to kill everybody too. But it's, it's fantastic.

Yes, there's only two parties. The elite and everybody else are the globalists and the I don't know, I don't want to say nationalist per se, but the non globalist perhaps right. All right. Look at it. Yeah. Well, I'm very curious to see you we got going on today. Of course, the way we operate the show is Moe does the preparation the production gets all the clips together. I do not listen to the clips. I can see by some of the titles though, that this just might be a very fun show.

It's a show that I've previously promised and it is me being me. Always try to keep good on my promises. So two episodes ago, when we were talking about Mr. Shaun King. We had the colorism Ah, yes, the different shades of brown and black that are problematic. Right. So what I wanted to do here is do a deep dive. And what prompted me to do that is ABCs new show mixed ish. In the summer of 1985, I was 12 years old, and I was living with my family on a commune. We ate together, prayed together and

even slept together. I would have told you it was perfect. But the government would have told you we were radicalized culture violation of over 47 ATF regulations. My peaceful little world had been taken away. When are we going back home this is our new home. What a base Harrison Jackson. The third was my grandfather. I'm gonna make more real world money to pay for this real world house that your entire family survival is dependent upon.

That is why he goes my little brother Johann looked at everything like one great big magical adventure. My little sister Santa Monica complain like a woman with no kids on our third divorce. Which interestingly enough, she would eventually become and when we got to school, we got introduced to the real world. Real quick, what do you weirdos mixed with was mixed. My parents had sent us out into the world with absolutely no warning that being mixed was even a thing. Imagine being the

new kid when no one in the world is like you. But you have to understand today's mix kids can look up to rappers ballerinas athletes, a president and the Princess The only heroes we have were demarche. You don't have to worry what those other kids think they're idiots. And I want to be one of them. I want to be in any All right, this was like an 80s bad acid flashback for me with tears the fears and the bars. Oh, who's Johnny that's all we missed. That would have been fine. Wow. Okay,

some some background on the show. This is a spin off of the popular show on ABC called Black. Yes, I like blackish that's pretty good. Okay, so this is covering the mom's past. Her name is rainbow. She's mix. Her mother is blue on the show her mother's black and father's white. Which almost mirrors the actual actress Tracee Ellis Ross

That's right. Diana Ross's daughter correct. So we here in this it was one thing in this in this clip and I you probably didn't catch it, but I'm gonna bring it up near maybe you want to replay it again? Just Just a tiny bit of it. Okay, they say when they were born when she was growing up MCs kids had nobody to look up to right now they have a president. I did hear that we can look up to everything including

presidents. I did hear that President ballerina and Princess so we just saw this near the end right of that clip I think I think it's about maybe three fourths and on the clip. Let me see. Real quick What do you weirdos mixed with? Let's make See, my parents had sent us out into the world with absolutely no warning that being mixed was even a thing. Imagine being the new kid when no one in the world is like you. But you have to understand today's mix kids can look up to rappers, ballerinas

athletes, a president and a princess. The only heroes we had were departure. No, not again. I can't listen to the departure. Please, please. Read the middle of the night. Okay, so when they just so this is an audio show, so we can see who they flashed up there but they flashed up. When they say a rapper Drake. Let me what President Trump did they put up Trump. Now it was Abraham Lincoln. It was President Obama. Okay. And the the princess was Megan Markel. Megan mark,

that was the who was the ballerina? Ah, what is her name? Misty. You got? I know. I know. I know who it is. I don't remember her name. But yeah, I don't want to say yeah. So mixed. Mix people. Right. So what struck me about this is now we're referring to these people openly as mixed and instead of black, black. Yeah. Gotcha. We didn't do this in 2008. And no one called Obama mixed. Correct. No one called Meghan Markel. The first mix princess or knows first black princess. Right.

So this is why I was like, Okay, this is perfect. It's a nudge, perfect jumping off point. For to tackle this thing call colorism and the origin of colorism in the black community Cosmo, can I just say, I love you, man. Yes, this is so I love it when you do this. This is great. Right into the what's going on in the world? Perfect. Let's do it. Right. So just some background on the show. blackish ah, I like the show. But to use our walk line, it has some problematic moments on the show. Yes,

it does. So like the kid wanting to be a Republican was very problematic. Right. So the show is used as a true propaganda we have to be honest, it's not just a television show so much. So they had a the talk episode sponsored by Procter and Gamble. Oh, yeah, of course. Oh, that was we talked about that Procter and Gamble promoting the talk. Yes. So that fit was a whole episode surrounding a sponsored by

Procter and Gamble and surround around the talk. So but I have some clips here just to give some background for the people that haven't seen the show of things I heard on the show that I found to be you know, just kind of cringe worthy. So let's get into clip number two the time's right he's gonna have to throw down a big diamond on

this one. White guilt you know I got around Charlie, I've never seen you use white guilt around in a pub last Friday wasn't enough to convince you crazy young grateful so I bet that's his buddy at work right? Love that guy. Yeah, so they has a guy where is so as to just some background on more back on the show, or you have trade thing is Dre Johnson or trade Johnson one of the two. But he's the main character he's

rainbow are both husband. And he's a very understanding or smart articulate but they work for an ad agency which is funny because it gives you a little inside glimpse into how I would perceive at agencies look at black people to say what did the black community think about this? Or if I have a product that trying to sell to black people you see that often. But the conversation they had between the two black man in the office was he was telling me he had to throw down the the big

card of white guilt. And for example for him this and show that he used white guilt to get Popeyes chicken, which we we had that conversation so we were co recovering a lot of stuff here. So I was like that, that made me cringe. But um, so that's one moment. Second moment, the clip three, I want a strong black name. Okay, because we've given our kids white names and they've all ended up black is I just want at least one of my kids to end up being black so I can

love it. Your kids are not black enough. Nice. So that mix, he used the term black ish. So I'm like, what does that mean? I don't know what black ish? Well, let me tell you from the white audience. Oh, this means is black people who are nicely integrated into white society Moe Yes. So that's a racist show man. Right very, very much so. But I'm not going to harp on that too much. But we can see leading up between from history of this

show. What we can expect to come from the mixed it show is going to be into more propaganda but I've always understood all black people are black. And we've never made this designation between mixed and black. I mean, if you black, you're black. But before we get to there because we're that's where we're headed with this whole show. Not only do they push agendas that are raised base, they also push the agendas that are not race based, but one being for the pharmaceutical companies. Vaccines

mean to offend anyone? I am thankful. vaccines have eradicated so many deadly childhood diseases. Oh, look, we've got a show for Big Pharma here show. In Jersey. We like to vaccinate our kids the natural way by swimming in a polluted lake. Do you even know what's in vaccines? Well, I am a doctor. So all of us are trying to do what's right for our kids. But we can't let emotions make our medical decisions. Frustrated emoji.

No, we should let us stay at home Doctor make our decisions for us crying laughing emoji. Really, vaccines work? They work so well that idiots haven't seen the ravages of polio firsthand. So they start spreading lies snorting emoji. Ah ha ha ha How much are they paying you to poison our kids Dr. Death needle emoji bitch. I will drive to New Jersey to fight you and your kids can watch Hi. Nice Twitter dialogue.

She says she's the show is shilling for Big Pharma coming after the vaxxers and that's just some background on the show to ask your question. So first of all, Rainbow the mom in the in the show is Doctor. Yes. Is there a big Is there a weariness in amongst black people about vaccinations specifically or Big Pharma in general? There's a weariness about doctors period in the black community. But it's too it's like either you're on one side

or the other strongly. One side doesn't trust doctors. Yeah. For situations like the Tuskegee incident on prod. Yeah, there's a couple of historical reasons for that. Yeah. Right. So do you like man, and then it's like, be a lot of times. Doctors are awesome bullcrap. Other Half looks as doctors is almost like Jesus his right hand, man. Right. Okay, so that's kind of the same. Let's say they live in darkness while saying doctors are highly

exalted. Uh huh. So you don't really have a middle? You don't really have a middle on doctors or medical industry. Interesting. Okay. So as I said, was I was previously stating, black people have really didn't make the distinction between mixed and black. What we did do was we have a stratosphere of blackness you have from high yellow to dark black. Hence the intro song. Black and yellow whiskey, right. Right. So high yellow is like a very light skinned person. And

then you have me saying dark black is very black. But what you had was that thing called the one drop rule. And this is how you see were very light skin. light skinned people are embraced by black people. As us now we might fight within ourselves, but you're one of us. Ah, let's listen to Halle Berry on the One Drop room.

Welcome back to news nation. A new interview with actress Halle Berry is igniting controversy today over how the Oscar winner chooses to identify her own daughter in the March issue of Ebony Magazine. Various speaking out about her biracial daughter whose father is While Mary says she'll let her two and a half year old daughter Nala make her own decision about her race when she's older, but Barry says she feels like she's black because she believes in the One Drop theory, the segregation era

theory used to identify a person of mixed ancestry. Earl Afari. Hutchinson is contributor with agrio.com. He joins me live from Los Angeles and Earl, you wrote that Halle Berry opened the lid on one of the thorniest issues that still plagues race relations, and you even bring up President Obama in your piece. Tell me a little bit more about your theory here. Well, she actually did, she opened up a can of worms on that. When we talk about race in America, we typically think of

black and white. But now as we will notice a new equation, biracial, multiracial, mixed racial, and African American. So now we've got all of these things in the mix. Now Halle Berry essentially says, Actually, two things. Number one, I'll let my daughter make her decision. But and this is what caused the controversy. I am African American, I'm proud of that. My daughter is seen as that. And essentially, that's

the way it's going to be. The interesting thing about that, remember, during the election, and before the election, it came up over and over again with President Obama. What is lunch drop rule defined? Because so many people I actually was surprised. You know, they didn't know really, what it is and what it means to black people. Well, once again, learning on a Monday, never heard of the one drop rule. Never heard of this. Alright, so the one drop rule, we want to get some background

on it. So basically, if you're any part black, you're black. Okay. That's a super Oh, simplify. You know, I have later clips that go into detail what it is, but this is how you saw Rachel dolars owl. Yes. Yeah. Shaun King, be embraced by him, Sam black black people. Because it's like, if you have any part blacking you, you're black. You're qualified. Yeah, there's no mix that mean? You might say, Oh, yes, she's mixed but you don't refer to that person is makes you there black. Halle

Berry, for example. We've always looked at her. She's the first black actress to win a Oscar and a leading role. President Obama he's the first black president. Like I said before, Megan Markel is the first black princess in modern times. So we never made that distinction. But let's get into the second clip. Oh, Halle Berry. Well, you know, when we look at race, I mean, we know one thing, there's no genealogical or biological basis for race, as

you know, everybody is mixed with somebody else. However, it becomes a political designation. So are you black? Are you mixed race now politics has come in and how society perceives and labels individuals. In this case, it happens to be African American. I just think Halle Berry is is reflecting reality. Reality is role was the law of the land in the early to mid 20th century, which you point out?

Yes, as a matter of fact, actually, it was encoded in law in Virginia, 1924, and many other states, and essentially a ones Rob rule says, if you have one drop quote on quote, whatever that is, you're African American or Black was, we will know, that was 60 7080 years ago, much has changed since then. But then again, maybe much hasn't changed, because Halle Berry is suggesting, maybe the old rules still apply.

But you point out this is in your worst, this is a sad reminder that race still does matter and matters a lot to many Americans, no matter what they are. Others call themselves very interesting article you've written on the Grieux. We greatly appreciate you joining me in you can actually read URLs entire report on this one drop rule debate right now on the grieux.com Thanks, Earl. Right, I didn't, I didn't know it was encoded in law either. This is not

so the reason why that was. So what you had was, you've seen other countries, you have black king community, you have a white community. And then most other countries like say Brazil, South Africa. You have a what they call like a mulatto class, or a mulatto group. And America, they want to clear distinction between black and white. So it was like, it was really it was a deterrent for people to enter interracially date or mingle.

Because it was like kind of like a punishment this, this this how it's perceived to say if you have a mixed baby, that baby is gonna be black, and it's gonna suffer under Jim Crow. So you know, it was really a deterrent and That's how it was set up. So, yes, and that kind of sucks. Very much so, dumb system. Okay, now, this change, though, I guess we're the civil rights movement and then was Civil Rights Act. And well, the weird thing is black people adopted it. Because we want to

be inclusive and our race, we embrace everybody. So that's why this show mixed ish. really threw me for a loop. Because it wasn't embracing it's separating, separating. Now Now we're now we're going to see with why this change all of a sudden, why are they trying to divide, create, why are they trying to create that mulatto group in America now? That's

that's the real question that I'm sold out. And I Hopefully I answered it today, with what with my findings, but we also have Don Lemon, and he does some background on the one drop rule. And the years following the abolition of slavery, some Americans feared a rise in interracial relationships. So states began passing laws to make sure that any child with a Negro and a white parent could be considered black and denied the rights of white people. In other words, a child with even

one drop of Negro blood would be classified as negro. This became known as the one drop rule, a standard ruled unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court in 1967. This and the hardships of racism also caused African Americans to pass pretend they were white without ever telling their families leaving a lot of whites not knowing they had black blood. But some experts on race relations say the legacy of the one drop rule still exist in today's culture.

So he brought up a great point of passing. Have you ever heard this term before? Yes, I've heard it in the in the realm of transgender people. Interesting. You threw it at me like Oh, yeah. Okay. It's passable, I think is what is used? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, we've seen this correlation between LGBTQ Qi with PK and black people, as recent as our last show. Yes. So there are a lot of similarities there. So just go

and get one. I'm just perplexed. When did we work so hard to be have unity and the weird thing is the reason why I say this is you have to understand blackness. And that's why I want people to understand no matter your shade, you're black. In the black community, except Don Lemon, who is a who clearly is a mixed race one dropper, I guess somewhere down the line. I consider myself black. I don't know now. I'm not sure. And we're going to get to that point with you. Once again.

I'm ahead of the game. I'm sorry. Yeah, sorry about that you for in the future. That's what it is. To get you a helmet. I just want to say, my experience with black people and my experience living with black people was in college, it totally inclusive. Now, granted, they didn't see me as white and I grew up here from Holland that's different. And I was completely accepted and integrated. So I witnessed nothing but inclusiveness myself. So I can vouch for that based on my own history.

And that's what we do. That's what we do. And like, like I said before, that's why I raised the dollars out and Shaun King were allowed to be brought in because if you say you're black, I guess so you really want to lie about if he wasn't, by the way, you weren't. I never claimed that was black, you know that? I think it's clear. Right? I'll just say it, but that'd be like the last thing you would lie about in a black person's mind. It's like, why

would you want this burden? Well, we're believing of people, I mean, perceived burden. So we're very believable people. But let's get into the downloadming to explain what the one drop rule is. the one drop rule, historically, also known as the rule of hypo descent, was really instituted to protect whiteness. It was a way for the white majority to be able to name and incite who was white. So it was one drop, which is 1/32 130 seconds of Negro or African blood would make that person Negro or

African. Whatever the classification they used at the time. I hear people say we're in a post racial society. The reality is in order to get beyond some thing you have to understand it right? And where in your education where have you been required to learn about race? They don't teach it. No, it is the foundation of this country. We have to talk about race. We have to talk about racial difference. It is just a flat out lie for us to believe that we've moved beyond race.

Who was this? This was this doctor? Yabba whatever. Yeah, it's not a Yaba Blay she's she's she has a one drop of foundation where she's studying the one drop rule. And if you heard what she said, the one drop rule scientifically was if you're 130 seconds black. So let's take Megan Markel, for instance, she's half black, her child will be 1/4 Black. Wait a minute, is that only 33%? Is that enough? Not as well. 25 or 25%? It's not

Yes, yes. So so so his child could, okay, her child could just to give you a sample, her child can marry a white person, have a child, that child will be 1/8 Black. That child can marry a white person, that child will be 116 black, and then that chakra mirror white person, then that child will be 1/32 Black and that will still be considered black. Okay, no matter and that's the thing. Yeah, that child would not appear to be black at all. Megan Markos child doesn't appear to be black at all.

We never really seen the child have we? I thought it was kind of upset. Yeah, yeah, they have a picture out and it was floating around. And it was it was mean. I was like, Yeah, I was surprised to go come across your black Tama cuz it was like, this is the Black Prince. I know. What am I thinking? Well, I tried to avoid the gossip from royalty in general. So that's probably what happened there.

But just to give you an example, but if a person was to say that we will be accepting Him, not to harp on it anymore, but just as the background of the one drop rule. Let's listen to the last and final limit clip. Let's talk about colorism mix I write about I have a book and I write about colorism, about the difference between having light skin and dark skin light skin was you were a bit more privileged and still in society people think that way but it used to be

worse. Let's talk about the privileges of having light skinned even if you are a person of color. Whiteness is normative. So what that means is that whiteness has come to define what is human what is valuable, what is beautiful. So when we look at women, the ways in which we determine a woman's beauty is based upon her proximity to the white ideal aquiline features straight hair, perhaps colored

eyes, different complexion and the same holds true for men. So again, I think subconscious or otherwise, historically, what that has has said or communicated is that if you are have lighter skin, we can assume that you have white in your blood and to have white in your blood makes you less African makes you less barbaric, makes you more civilized. That's not heavy assumption. Yeah, no kidding. But I did have a listener contact me. And he's from India. And keep his name

you're saying anonymous? He said all the things we stayed two shows ago about colorism. Oh, true India. Oh, and but there it's real classist. I would presume. But yes, it's it's very, it's very classist. And you know, I think for not for certain. The caste system is somewhat based off of corrupts color. Yep. So, we were going back and forth on Twitter, you're saying in DMS. And I asked him I said, I've noticed just just to kind of low sidebar here. Because I want to

make sure this is not a black only issue. This is a light versus dark issue. And we're gonna get into the more multiracial mixed race interracial stuff soon, but we have to understand, from my perspective, the background and all this. So I was asked him, I said, Hey, I noticed none of the guys I've worked with from India. Wives are darker than them is Oh, yeah. Ah, he's, he said, so that's a true observation. So it's this weird thing, or I don't know if it's

conscious or subconscious. But um, do we do we like in beauty to a fairer skin? I don't have an answer for that. I can speak personally. I am a darker skin. And the weird thing was when I was attempting to date, especially in high school, because I met my wife very early, but in high school, none of the dark skinned girls were interested in me. And I would say that from a white person's perspective, tans are all always seen as beautiful, you know, the nice

bronze Sheen is desirable. So I mean, yeah, there's, I think in fashion today, there's definitely an admiration of extremely white, but with freckles or red hair, and stuff like that, but I think in general was still no look at women putting on makeup the white women putting on makeup makes them a darker tint. It's just the fact. And it's the complete opposite. We're all moving towards the brown the mix dish. What are we

doing? We're all gonna be one indistinguishable peoples all right in the show. I'm sorry, I slept six hours. You know, it's like it's long for me. I'll shut up now. No, no, no. It's funny. You always pick up where I'm going here. But you it's very true. We're working our way towards the middle. Ah, and we've already heard the term tall,

dark and handsome. Yes, yes. So colorism. colorism and this is an aspect of beauty has been around forever is not a factor as for black men as big or as big a factor for black men, as it is for black women. Black women are harder hit by colorism. But now so we have the color spectrum laid out. But we have to ask how do we get there? How do we get to mix to light scan to dark scan? And build do explains that, that you actually created a documentary called Dark girls

and light girls? Yes. And this actually was based on your own personal experiences. Seeing how how women of different complexions were treated as you were growing up? Yes, how I was treated how I saw women being cheated. But more specifically, racism in our own community. Based upon slavery principles. A lot of the racism in our community is based upon the house Negroes versus the feel negros and the house Negroes were the ones who masa had sex with a slave. And she'd

have a baby. And because they were mixed black and white. They have the privilege of working in houses, servants, cooks, maids, etc. But if you were dark, he worked in a field from sunup to sundown. And that was the division and the field Negroes were not fond of the house Negroes because they had privileges and the house Negroes were not fun the fuel negros because they were privileged until this day, if you go online

under Hashtag team mites can hashtag Team Dark skin. You'll see lights can black women and dark skinned black woman broken over beauty issues. And each of them has over 300,000 members. Bill Duke of course. famous director. Yes actor and director Yes. He explains the phenomenon called the field Negro versus the house Negro

it's just very interesting. My perception and understanding is always again just just from my perspective, has been the house Negro was kind of like a trader you know, the house Negro is just someone who was sucking up to the Massa I had no idea of this, of this part of this aspect of it. That is a true observation you made because but you got to look at the psychology behind it. And that's that's why this is why I

have these conversations. Why is the house Negro looked at as favorable to Masson? Well now now I know your genetics. Yeah, yes, of course. Now I understand. Sure. This is my child and could you imagine, oh, the Oh, shame that a woman had to have if she had a light skinned child. Sure. You can't hide that. I mean, you have three dark skinned children and then this one light skinned child. Everybody knows what this the root of that was. So is there is there's built in

animosity there. But in favor of the house negro. They will be able to inherit land. A lot of times they were will their freedom upon Massa Dion, he would set his children free. So adore slave times you had this you had that subculture of mulatos. But that's why they instilled the one drop rule. Got

it. So what it did was forced these two groups that had all this animosity that together because the house Negro couldn't identify with the field Negro because it's like, man, you you live in a house and you eat massive scraps, and, you know, he share his blood. So you're not black enough. Um, but on the other hand, it's like, no, you gotta, you gotta drop. You're not really one of us. Right?

Yep. And but then the one drop rule forces, the two things together, and house Negroes were typically the founding members of what would be considered the Boulais. Because of that privilege, yeah, it was so fast for you say, post recruit, or reconstruction, or you had a lot of mixed race people. Black, I mean, I consider them black. I don't make that distinction. But you had a lot of mixed race people that were land owners and

occupy and political office. And as we spoke on the last show, all a Rockefeller money came in to create these Learning Institutes. Yeah. And at these Learning Institutes, where a lot majority fair skinned black people, let's just be honest here. Oh, so much. So there was a letter discussing this from Howard University in 1928. Paper Bag test letter from 1928 addresses black fraternity and

sorority colorism at Howard University. Ever and anonymous rumors and reports come out of our college and institutes that color prejudice is an evidence and color discrimination practiced. We are not so surprised when we hear such rumors and reports about institutions of learning owned, controlled and attended by white people. But it certainly comes as a great shock and causes a feeling of shame. When we hear

such news about Negro colleges. At first glance, it would seem incredible that negros themselves the victims, victims of ignorant prejudice and discrimination because of color should follow the lead of the Nordics and yet a sophomore at Howard University, our proudest institution of learning makes such a charge against the Negro fraternities and sororities

their writing in the hilltop a campus publication. The student Edward H. Taylor alleges that the Greek letter organizations are behind the movement, which results in splitting up the various classes into groups of different shades, yellow, brown, and black. According to this young man, the light skinned students are sought after by the fraternities and sororities, particularly the ladder as members and the dark ones passed by the darker brown students. They inform their own cliques

while the blacks are left out in the cold. This is the most disgraceful situation imaginable. Wow. To Howard is Kamala Harris's alma mater, I believe, yes, historically black college and she's a member of one of those fraternities of the Boulais. Just say, yes. And secondarily, I want that guy's voice. The set of pipes on that guy, right, yeah.

So that was a reading of that letter for 1928. Addressing the colorism at Howard University. Oh, so it was it was like you're black in the historically black system? Yes, yes. You're black. It's like we're black, but it's different variations of black. Like we went outside force comes at us. We clean together. But inside, there's a lot of infighting. And I hope people notice this throughout every show I've made they divide black people want every distinction possible.

And just as a parallel, this is the same with the LGBTQ community, which is not a commute. I've always said I grew up in Amsterdam around a lot of this. There's no community. Yeah. It's actually unfairly and I would say insultingly lumping everybody together. But the weird thing about colorism just just background is Yeah, I have two brown skinned children. I have two lighter skinned children and you mentioned this before. How does this happen? Because, okay, going back to my lineage

on my dad's side, my grandmother is fair skinned. My grandfather on my dad's side is dark skinned. on my mom's side, my grandfather's fair skinned it. And my grandmother, my grandmother on my mother's side is dark skinned. Walker Brown, how about your wife? My wife is lighter skinned. Got it? So it's like, where did that come from? I mean, so here's the thing. Just because you're light

skinned, don't mean you're biracial. Because we, we've had many, many generations of light skinned people to intermarry, that they're considered just as black as I am. But they have fair skin. And then with genetics, you know, you never know what you're going to get out the crapshoot. Right. So this is the weird, that's where it differs from other communities. Because you can't just divide and say, Okay, you are over here, you are over here. How would you divide my

children? You know, would you say, Oh, you too light skinned? So you go on this side? Are you too brown? Brown skinned? You go on this side? So it just makes for a weird problem. Can I ask you a personal question? Yes, sure. Do your kids have issues amongst themselves? No, because I'm glad you asked that, because it leads us to the next clip. The education has to come from the parents to say there is no difference. When I see a light skinned person, I

don't see them as being any less black. I judge a person on their actions and where what they hold what they hold what they hold in there. And apart Yeah, and importance on going I hate to keep going back to these people. But that's why you can have people like Shaun King and Rachel Hollis out to come in. Because if you judge them on that standard, like hey, they're members of the NAACP. They're fighting for what? What is perceived to be black, right? You know, not their skin color,

their black. But you asked a great question. No, it was not a great question. No, it was because Matthew knows who is Beyonce, his father is gonna explain that one of your answers to the root of this. Now, in your book, you said that your mother would tell you Don't ever bring no Nappy Headed Black Girl to my house. Yeah, which was wrong. You know, that was an era in the South that a lot of black women felt women of color felt. And she

consistently said that in it, I internalized that. And because I internalized that and because I was one of the flak first blacks in junior high one of the first in High School University of Tennessee. I dated white girls when I was a kid, because I internalized my mother's saying, Don't ever bring no black nappy hair girl. Well, I mean, that's kind of kind of interesting because your mother she dark skinned, kind of in the middle, kind of in the middle kind of in the middle. So

was she saying don't bring home a girl that looks like her? Or darker than her or what what exactly did I internalize it to be even darkness or or her color adore a darker so so what what was really going through your mind when when your mother is saying don't don't date someone who looks like me? Because I internalized that that was ugly, not attractive, not the right person, type of girl that she wanted me to date or have a relationship with. That's how I internalized it.

And of course he married Tina Tina Knowles, who was light skinned. Yes. And he's dark skinned. Well she's actually biracial as me like that's the thing is yeah, she's by what she's light skin. But you have to ask a question that I go on this show we're gonna be having a psychology that his mother tell him that because he she didn't want her grandkids to have the perceived burden that she had.

Possibly, you know, procreate with a lighter person because my grandchildren will have a better opportunity that sounds like something a grandmother would do. Right was seen as hateful. That's why it's this weird thing. Yeah, that's why I say it's a great question because you set it up. Well if We were that way we will be teaching our kids that but we tell them all shades are black you know there is no black but you're saying black or because your skin

color. But there is a black now don't get it twisted. And we push that heavy in my house and it's out of a sense of I like being black. I don't see it as being a burden as some people see it you know, I embrace it. I think we are some of the most of this is just to me, it was an interesting people. Interesting show fact. I've never seen you know, once once honestly, once we were setting up Skype, the webcam went on. Oh

boy, I gotta be honest. It was a dark room. I couldn't see. I have no idea what you look like I really don't. I don't it wasn't. It was a dark room. So it doesn't matter is it? That's what I love about a podcast, you know who the hell knows? It could be. But I don't embrace that self hate. I never I was never allowed to know. Me embrace you know, our that and that's where we're headed in

this conversation. That's why I take what's happening. It's such an offense, and it's against Martin Luther King's words. Just not a man of color of his skin, but on the content of his character. His character. Yes. But in with in house. We judge people based solely on the color of their skin. Yeah, and it had they had the jump higher hurdles. As you're seeing here. I mean, the pre in the previous clip demand brought up the brown paper bag test. Yes. And this is this is a real

I've heard of I've heard of the brown paper bag test. I've heard of that. In South Africa. They had I believe what it's called the pencil test, not only a skin color, a big issue and um, and black people's and the black sphere or realm. hair texture. Yes is another thing. So in South Africa, they do what is called the pelsall test. If the pills could be placed into your hair,

and it falls out that you pass. Oh, wow. So speaking of the brown paper bag test, Matthew knows Beyonce Father speaks on that. Fortunately, we had scrim just a little small black school, you know, larger schools screaming small black schools, or play them in an initial year season. And this coach at Fisk University whispered in my ear, because I play very well in the scrim is that if I ever wanted to go to Fisk University, to just call them and I remember that to transfer

to Fiske transfer to Phys. But Fisk had the color, the brown paper bag test brown paper bag tests, this is a real thing. Oh, absolutely. This is a known thing in a black community. I remember a bag test. I remember a zillion Banks was lightning or skin at one point. And she was talking about the brown paper bag test and how black guys respect to brown paper. A well known fact. I'd never heard of it until she said it. I didn't realize how far

back it goes. Yeah. So they pulled out a brown paper bag know how I worked. This is I transferred in at 72. Okay, and how and it was the last class that they did the brown paper back and they will ask you for a photo you had to submit with your registration. And they would put the photo up against the brown paper bag. Okay, and Fisk was a was a black primarily black school

who was all black 100% Black. So you have a 100% black schools that would not admit dark skinned people if they were not athletes. That's absolutely right. Or if they were women, and they had a very prominent families of very wealthy families that donated a significant amount of money to the school. What's wrong with you black people Moe Wow, that's crazy. When you go back to the origin of colorism and the difference in the color, you see, it goes back to the house negro. And the field negro.

And this. This was 1972 1972 Wow. That's why we that's yes. We went for 1928 tonight to 72 He said he was the last class. Oh, but did you catch at the end there? Yeah. Oh, if you had some money, then it was a different story. Does that sound familiar? Yeah, like every university known to man, but no in the recent interest Didn't news Yeah, of course we got the birdies who buy in a kid's way and of course

you could do it with colorism too. Yes, so crazy yeah So out of all the things I listed in the eight previous shows that divide our people you top this was on top of it on the surface level I mean not No pun intended. But you know on clearly and it's it's not only there in 1972 By the way May I make a suggestion? Yes this is a different yet correct example of institutional racism Yes. Just want to put it out there. Haha, just as bad is just, you know, look at where

it's happening that's that's phenomenal to learn. This is like I said, it's psychological. Because when you see you're going to hear how the effects of it even to this day, like Bill Duke said in the previous clip, he said You can go now online and look up team light skin, Hashtag team light skin, or team darts cannot and I challenge the people our listeners to do that. Just so you can see aspect and it's very

hateful. It's so hateful actually, so hey, well so much so I would like to see them remove this is some kind of hate communication and I'm not one of the people you know, for removing communication but it that's what it is. And you can see it hit the road I mean, you see the rubber meet the road. And this net clear with the print family now background on the prints family. They are a YouTube couple and they basically document every moment of their life like lives on

YouTube. Now the the ticker name is Bianca, Prince. She is very fair skin and she is the product of a biracial relationship, and the man is dark skin. But let's listen to her and accusations against her about being a colorist. For sure, for sure for sure the prints families video about the birth of their daughter was supposed to be a beautiful family moment. But after they posted it to YouTube, some commenters complained about how Mama was talking to her new baby who was

born sorry. Light blue eyes. She did that pretty. Baby Nova Grace Prince was born last month. She's the third child of Bianca and Damien Prince. More than 3 million people subscribe to their YouTube channel to experience all of the family's intimate moments. But some people who watch the video took issue with what they called Bianca's complaints about her daughter's eyes, as well as the parents comments about her skin colors. Yeah. So Bianca, she is giving birth to the child. I mean, this is a

opera room an operating room but delivery room footage. You should have seen that the stain on her face. Because the baby didn't have blue eyes. She said I wanted her to have pretty eyes. She doesn't have pretty eyes. Now imagine being born to a mother like that. Straight out, pushed out. And the baby you hand the baby to the mother and she's like, Oh, like this is one time I wish to show this video. Because it made me mad now and then I don't really get triggered by anything. Yeah,

pretty much. But just you're a child. This is supposed to be the most joy. You know, because you worry birth defects. No, no, those kinds of things. You take that sigh of relief. I went through it four times. And it's like everything's okay tamping your teen toes. You know, everything. Exactly. Kids breathing. Got ahead. Got ahead. Yeah, we got ahead. Yeah, it's good. It's good, too. And of course, you always your child is always the most beautiful thing in the world. I was supposed to be Oh,

always but her you should. It was disgusting. The look on her face and the dads kind of like I know he's recording now that he hasn't meant to do the wet mental awareness. Like we're taping here. You know? I mean, do you understand how you he's like, yeah, the baby is pretty. I mean, even basically a reality show on YouTube, even if it's done in the I've done reality shows I had my own reality show. I know how they weren't. I mean, do people say all kinds of stuff

that may not be what they exactly believe. Just like in real life, people make up crap all the time. Regardless This it's still incredibly weird for her to do that. And while the clip was playing I did indeed look up team light skinned Team Dark skin. It's quite a thing. Yes, it's quite an it's more leaning towards white male. Yeah. Oh no, it's all I see. 95% Female polo team dark skin seems to be a lot more male than female or more male than on Team light skin.

Interestingly. Yes, so the I have a second clip of the prints family. If you would like to play that one. Oh, look at them. They look so cute, you guys. Yeah, you can see her nails do the current year. You see it is dark. Some comment or say the princess seemed disappointed in their new babies appearance and even went so far as to accuse them of colorism, which means to discriminate based on the color of skin. A lot of people was joining us on the 32nd clip that

was posted on these other platforms. Bianca and Damian posted a response video clarifying their comments when I said I wish you had pretty eyes. I didn't literally mean she doesn't have pretty eyes. You don't say I didn't mean? Oh my gosh, my daughter has ugly eyes. When I say pretty eyes. I meant the term of green eyes. Have you ever got a compliment about your eyes? It's almost like colors. I wouldn't even like black people at all. You got a choice? No, no. So

this, like I said, my daughter was ugly. They went on to insist they are loving parents to all of their children. Despite the controversy, the princes say they're not taking the video down, which for them will always be about one of the best days of their lives. Okay. So as I said before, the husband in this situation or the father in this situation is dark brown skin. And she made the point she said if I didn't like dark skinned people, I wouldn't.

Yeah. But this is where we go. Black men don't struggle with colorism as the way females do. I would like to see if this child was male, I would assume it's just my assumption. Her reaction would have been different because it's a little bit more acceptable. I'm way more acceptable that black dark males are are attractive to me. Like I go back to the statement tall, dark and handsome, tall, dark and handsome. Well, I think the fashion industry has a big role in this not just

fashion but fashion media. What is considered beautiful is it we're seeing it changed before our very eyes by the way, curvier. Bigger woman, bigger women are now considered beautiful. I'm not saying they're not. But we came a long way since the Twiggy days if anyone would that's I know it's a show on my age here. But just go back to the models on the runway in the 80s, who had the heroin chic, you know,

completely falling down. I'm so skinny look. And if you go back in history, we have Rubens Rubenesque women who are very similar to what is considered beautiful fashionably beautiful today. So it's, I always feel bad for women in general, the way the culture treats them based upon how they look or how they can make themselves look.

And that's the power advertisement working in a negative way as it doesn't does frequently what they put they paint the picture, but we see this, and I'm not gonna go too far this tangent, but we see this with men. Short, man. Yeah, yeah. Tall, dark, handsome. Short, don't doubt. Yeah, that's right. Right. So nobody wants to short son. Nobody. Or Kevin Hart. Man, Kevin Hart got a real bum deal, didn't he? Yeah, he's short and really black. Oh, gosh, but it works

for him. It does. Of course. What I'm saying is he turn that he has a character that he plays called Chocolate draw, which is weird. But yeah. So like I said, we don't struggle. Black men don't struggle with this as much as women do. Um, and these things, as Matthew Knowles stated, as we seen with the prince family, they have real world implications, where it has a real effect on particularly women psyche. So a Vanya Van Zandt, that's she's on the own

network. And she she was brought up by Oprah. She had this talk about colorism. Let's hear colorism dark talk about as a coffee girl, what you've experienced personally in the world and From your lighter skin systems, I always felt some type of inferiority. didn't feel like I was good enough. I just didn't feel like I added up and especially growing up in the South, you know, the boys would always like light skinned girl with the good hair. And so I

didn't feel like I had enough to get the cute guy. And until I believed that I was just that dope, because I just know I am now. It just it festered in me for quite some time. And how did it come out? It came out in a lack of think and a lack of self esteem. Probably more so than not just feeling inadequate, really feeling inadequate. So you can see how it plays on people's psyches.

Yeah. An additional data point in there, which I've heard. I think the first time I heard it was Arsenio Hall said like Oprah, Oprah has the good hair. Yeah, and that's what I was speaking about before it, not only is it skin color is hair texture, where straight hair or wavy, wavy, straight hair? Well, anything not nappy is considered what they call nappy in SL, where you have the

tightly curl hair is considered a bad hair. I didn't really dive into that, because I'm not I don't want that kind of smoke. Not going there because that the hair thing is a hole. That is a third rail. You don't Yeah, black men don't talk about the hair thing. Anywhere where a black woman could hear it is that what I'm understanding from you know, what I'm saying is you can't win. But no, you can't Oh, so I don't I don't pick fights. I can't win. Go. But on the

inverse. On the inverse of the dark, precede problems. light skinned women have problems too. What's been your experience? I was always told, you know, you're the milkman, baby or, you know, you you can't be my friend, you know, because the guys are gonna like you more than me. And so you know, you can't be my friend. So I felt like an outcast and I would get in fights literally, with brown skinned girls that I never even knew their names. And my dad had

to teach me how to fight because I got picked on so much. Even one time when I was in the ninth grade. I had a girl come up and cut my hair all the way up to here. A chunk out of my hair. Brown Skin girl passage. Thank you cute because you got long hair. How do you feel now? So I cut it all off and Iraq was short. It was curly and then it's so you think you're cute because you got curly hair? You know, so I was constantly

fighting. So you know, I found the light skinned girl being my friend and that's who my friend was. You know? I when I saw an article the other day I didn't send it to you. This happened to a black girl in Northern Virginia your neck of the woods just recently. I saw on the local news. Yeah, that was she had dreads but I think that was a more of a bullying case okay more than self inflict what I mean by self inflicted afflicted by another

black black person. Okay, gotcha but what I want to say here is you can see the pitting of these two people against each other sure it's a push in a pool so you can't win you can't you know because it goes back to the to the house Negro feel Negro the other looking on the other side the grass is always greener Well of course it is there in Is there a commonly accepted celebrity who has the quote perfect skin tone as in like brown paper bag perfect would I say has been the safest

NO NO NO NO like the perfect the most this oh this this person has exactly the right amount the right shade the right tone is anyone that both sides except universally. Brock Obama Thank you beautiful Okay, gotcha because he wasn't seeing as light scan but he wasn't seeing as you know as dark skin I mean he was actually not think about it. He's probably is the color of a brown paper bag. Which I wonder no Calculating he is I wonder if his ball plan but

that's fantastic. Okay, what did you answer the question? I had to think if I had to think yeah, um, but because I'll be honest with you, it's in Hollywood. The LIDAR scan works for you oh for hell because he Well, it works for you up to a period. When you're younger it works for you because you get all the six symbol roles. But as you see in Halle Berry disappeared, we have assorted Wesley Snipes. Well, what I mean is you can't play that. You don't really get those motherly roles,

right? Because he's two lights because he's very light skinned. Since he's too light skinned. She can't really she isn't doesn't he's not passable? Was that what do we say then? In that case, in an older role, what I'm saying is, she doesn't have that. Well, we want the motherly role. And I'm just going to Hollywood casting hat on. You want the you know, the mother roll, you want the you know, the darker skin? Look at any movie, the black mother is typically dark, darker than

the child. Wow. Okay. Yes, gotcha. So, in the previous clips, we heard a term called passing. And you even mentioned that you heard this and in the trans community. Sure. So passing is when you're probably at the 1/8 to 116, maybe even 1/4. As I said before, Megan Markel child is probably going to look pretty much white. And if you didn't know his mother, he could pass you know, he could, he could

work his way into why society. So I'll recover this on the pressures of passing and certainly the whole passing thing that's a whole nother as a whole nother subject the passing thing, but you know, the thing about passing for those who did pass and Lita was saying this for and her family once you pass the decision to pass beans, you've given up your whole entire family, you know, that you can never go back because y'all understand that right?

Because if you're passing you just can't have your black mother show up. You just cannot explain for black women in your kitchen that's old Oprah because I can tell she has a very It must have been a long time ago that clip Yeah, that was an older show. And the case in point. Oh passing is Miss Megan Markel. If you didn't know. And I covered this on a previous YouTube video but if you didn't know her background, you wouldn't know she was part black.

No, the Brits still haven't figured it out if they actually knew they'd be up in arms Moe well, well well. I think that is proper Ganden. And his push for the for the thesis statement of this show once I get there that she is one one. Are you telling me here? Oh one Harry is not a roll by blood. So don't really give reference what he did right. We know he was stable boys. Kid. redheaded stepchild literally Hello. It's obvious. Yeah, yeah. So I think they said

what can we use him good for? Well, they can use him he can't be on the can't be on the throne. What can we do with this mongral Oh, resignedly. We can use him for propaganda because you know, you are England is darkening by the minute. So they're using him to push that agenda. And if people want further detail, go go to Shameless Plug GO TO MoeFactz.com or Moe Factz YouTube. YouTube video on that. Sure. Yeah.

So and to show that they played her black side up. That's why her father wasn't allowed to be winning. We cannot that's like Oprah saying you can't have your your really black mother show up. Yeah. Can't have the white guy walking the black princess down the aisle. That's bad for optics. Yeah. So I think she ain't a you know what? I watched the show suits that she was on. I was

like, she was she she's racially ambiguous. I was like, I see Latina and she you know, I couldn't really put my finger on it. I know. She wasn't completely white, but I couldn't you know, but then I was at all okay. But in the show. They push the agenda. Her father was black in the show. So got it. Well, I didn't know what she had going on with her. So Oprah continues on On passing with Oprah to well, you know, I experienced this early when I, you know, I

was shifted from one parent to the other. And I came to live in Milwaukee with my mother, who was rooming with a lady. And my mother has another daughter. So I have a half sister who was light skinned and younger than I. And they were allowed to stay inside the house. And I was forced to sleep outside in the hallway, because I was the brown skinned person. And you know, and my, you know, my mother did it just because otherwise we'd

have no place to sleep. But the place was owned by white, not white, but I thought she was white, Ms. Miller, who also passed and just didn't want the brown skinned child in her house. It's just really racism passed on to ourselves. That's what it really is. And a very strong way. Very nice. Oh percent right there. Amen. She laid it out perfectly. And Miss Miller had to if you're gonna play the role, you're saying you got to play it all

away? Yeah, it can't have the black cat, a black kid sleeping in the house, if you're going to pass with a white woman, so I have this interesting book is called our kind of people is written by Lawrence oldest Graham. And in one of the chapters in it is called passing for white, when the brown paper bag test isn't enough. So this book is about basically, the black elite in America says inside America's black upper class, and he gives you 17 ways to pass.

All right, are we gonna do the list? Yeah, what would I do? So I'll start off with five you tell me if you want to keep going. All right. I love these tests. So yeah, let's go. Okay. All right. Number one, passing will be eat and we got to understand this is talking about an older our older times. But passing will be easier if you attempt it well away at college, preferably on a campus with which that is predominantly white, and is located in a small

rural town. That's number one, and they want to pass. All right. You want to go to university white university in a small town. All right. All right. Right. We've taken notes. Yeah, of course. I'm taking I got it in an outline. Are you kidding? Okay. Number two, change your last name to one that is not associated with black family names?

It will I guess I got a problem there. Do you know do you know that when I when I don't use it anymore, but when I first started using Uber, I didn't have a profile picture in Austin, Texas. And my cars will get canceled regularly, not all the time, but regularly. I'm like, What the hell was going on? Why did the ditch cancel? And then I put my picture in never had it happened again, because curry is a black name. Like Steph Curry. Yes. That's my brother from another mother who

names not to us. Yeah, curry, Jones, Jackson Johnson, William Thomas. And Brown. Right. Oh, okay. Number three, recreate your family tree by describing yourself as the only child born to a born a parent who died years ago. Oh, God, who were all who were all who were also only children. Okay, all right, number four, relocate to a new community that insulates you for interacting with blacks. And that is at least a few 100 miles away from your family's home. And number five, I'm gonna stop

at five. Number five is think think some of us think of some manner in which to kill off, kill yourself, kill yourself off in the minds of black people who know and who know you and your family. If your parents or siblings are willing to participate in assisting you. They can say that you are now living outside the country that you have ended up cult or religious ordered, or even that you have died. Well, this is this is this is very sad advice. Obviously. This

is sad, though. So if that's for people out there who would like to pass and if you want to find other 12 Go read our kinds of people by Lawrence Otis Graham. But I do have some background, background and clip just to give you a metaphor perspective of Mr. Otis, Mr. Lawrence Otis Graham, as he has the talk, but the talk goes wrong in certain ways by making sure that we're wearing clothes that are not ones that suggests that we are part of the criminal

element as people would say it's no hoodies, it's no dark clothes. My boys know that they've got to be khaki pants. We don't do sweatshirts with words and names on them. This is really casual for them. They don't do the t shirt thing and when When it comes to jackets, raincoats, it's this is the only time you're gonna see a hood in our houses on a raincoat or winter jacket. It's no colored high tops. It's it's loafers. It's white tennis sneakers, it's not carrying anything in your

hand, after sundown that can be misconstrued as a weapon. It's also making sure that when they go to stores, they get receipts that they walk in, they make eye contact and nod and smile to the shop owner. They make sure that there's their bags are zipped and left in the car or outside the store. It's also making sure that they never run within the presence of a police officer unless it's very apparent that they are dressed for jogging.

They don't go out after sundown. My younger son said you're taking the fun out of being a black kid, but it just knows it's necessary. And once again, it's not because we're trying to make them white. It's just the whole issue of we don't want them to be profiled. So that's a myth, a peek inside the mental state of Mr. Lawrence

outers gram. And he is boot he is Boulais of all blue light he wrote the book on basically, of have basically, inside America's black upper upper class, I think is the book you're referring to. Yes, yes. And there's chapters in there such as just a list of the chapters and just to go down just the origins of the black upper class Jack and Judas which is where the elite black kids are separated from the rest and you got chapter three black child experience. The right coalition camps in private

schools. Sounds like a fun vacation read. Chapter Four is interesting. Howard, Spellman Morehouse three colleges that count. Okay, we heard about Howard Yeah. Spelman, okay. Do you know spell it looks up? Do you know who Spelman was named after? I do not Rockefellers wife. That was her. Oh, of course. And Morehouse was named after a white man as well. And these are supposed to be black universities black university shirt, but what we do is, I'm saying this to say yes, they are

proud found institutes of higher learning. But we also have to look and see, you know, where they come with the five, the right fraternities and sororities. So, previous knowledge of what we covered in the show, you see where this book is headed? Um, okay. So Mr. Lawrence said in his clip, they're not trying to make their children white. But I know you everybody's asking them Where's Moe going on with this? He started off with mixed where I mean, now he's went down

colorism and you know, the black elite and all this, okay. Just to let you know, at one time, the black elite say okay, we were one dropped in. So we got to make the best of it. So what we'll do is create our own class our own subculture of based off of color, or, or, as they stayed in noun Matheno. Club. If you are extremely wealthy, you could buy your way to the club. But when they sent their kids off, to these Ivy League schools can

watch the integration happen. The kids started to go to Ivy League schools, they start to meet people and dating interracially became more acceptable. The Boulais made a pivot, and this is by Mr. Lawrence, Mr. Otis Norris oldest gram talking about you've had a whole change of heart, what in the world has happened? Well, one thing that happened Rwanda is I started to realize that a lot of people make these personal decisions, that we should not always hold them accountable to making political

decisions. When someone decides for a long time, I was opposed to the whole notion of black folks even dating outside or marrying outside of the black race, because I said, if you want to demonstrate your pride and our people, you have to give something back to the community. The problem of that is that's not too far from really making the same argument that whites

were making in the 1940s. They were called bigots. So the problem here and certainly Pamela knows, with coming from mixed parentage, that when someone makes takes the leap of faith to say, well, I'm going to marry outside my race, but yet at the same time, it's possible for me to hold on to my own identity, I can give back to my black people to the black community. I made the decision to marry a black woman because at that time, I never even considered dating a white woman for political reasons.

Whoa. Does that sound familiar? Barack Obama. Ah, so people marry black for political reasons. I mean, that's not anything new to most our listeners. But that is a I left that in there as a conscious decision. But you can hear him say Ah, He, at one time, he said that black, he believed black people should marry black people. And as a side note, I will say this, I believe that I believe, for one, you can marry

who you want to, cuz I don't care. I mean, that's what they're I don't care what people do in their love lives or their or their sexual laws, this None None of my business. But if you understand, and this is where this clip is going and this whole show is going we're only 13% of the population. If we don't make a conscious effort to maintain our race, I think it

won't exist anymore. Well, the real concern of mine and this is this is where I thought you were probably taking this and I think it's gonna turn out to be right is what is happening. intentional or not, but I think you're showing us is there is intent is to effectively remove the black race. And here's the thing, I think that they're going to remove all I think they're trying to remove all black and white. I totally agree limb everybody Brown. Yeah, sure.

But as I've stated on this show many times before, all problems, the problems that hit everybody hit us first. It hit us hardest. We know what's crazy. Moe Yes. So you just said something, which doesn't shock me because I know you as Moe and I have the same I think we have very similar values. You say I think that black people should marry black people. If I said I think white people should marry white people, the fucking sirens will be going off outside the house. Not with me. No.

It's for the reasoning. Now, let me explain to you why. I'm a vain person. I like my genetics. I want to pass those genetics down to my grandkids wishes. It's your prerogative. Hell yeah. It's not out of all you know, your you know, your look at whatever you diluted my stock or he was the same as the royal families all around Europe. They marry other Royals, you know, to this was the problem with Lady Diana, she was a commoner. You know, she was she wasn't a blueblood

like HorseFace. Camilla, sorry. I know. That was rude. I can't help myself. You know, this is not an uncommon thing for fam in India has this of course. Pakistan, very oriented towards continuing a bloodline or having the right families congregate together. So it's actually it's not an abnormal thing at all. And like I said, do I want my kids to procreate with intelligent people? Yes. Do I want my kids did it? You know, I'll preferably. Let's just be vain here. taller people. Yes.

Okay. But one other thing, just what I'm talking about, because I love the parallels. I'm just giving you my perspective. In the United States, for sure. If you say, I'm a white man, I'm a straight man or whatever. I don't date trans women. You're automatically a transphobic. I think I caught something here, didn't I? Yes. All right, I'll back up. Continue. Okay. Okay. So now we're moving forward. And we see that the Boulais made a pivot to be upsetting because the Boulais

basically outline where black people are headed. And they were pro blacks betting within the race and as you can see in their in their, in their inner community, dating lighter, marrying lighter, you know, to make your race become lighter. So we have Professor Kevin Brown, and he speaks on the impact of mixed race. And we're seeing substantial increases to in black, multiracial, that is blacks with a non black parent, black white parented, black Asian parentage. Those percentages are set to

increase by 80% between 2010 and 2020. We're now seeing substantial interracial marriage among the black slash African American population, the United States. So you can see here 1970 Of All Blacks who were married, only 1.1% were married outside of the race, that increases to 2.4% in 19 84.1% and 90 97% in 2000. In 2010, it increases to 9%. But But let me add this is the all black blacks who are married. So younger people, the ones in the prime count bearing ages are even much more likely

to marry across the race. In 2012, for example, one in four black males that married 25%, married outside of the race for black women was about 9.3%. And we continue to see that black males are two to three times more likely to marry outside of the race. If these current content trends continue, within a generation or two, a majority of the black population in the

United States will actually be mixed race. And because they're mixed race, they will more and more assert an identity that's different from that of African Americans. So with his math, we're basically doubling interracial. The interracial population or interracial marriage, like basically has doubled every decade. Yeah, roughly what he said, Yeah, won't take very long is what he's saying. Yeah. And that's scary. From our perspective. On my desk, I have

pictures of my grandparents. Oh, I'm a very proud of my lineage. That we you survive. And they surreal real possibility that my culture, it's not about skin color. And that's why I laid it all out about colorism. It's not about skin color, it's about culture is going to be racist. And that's why I have a real problem with this show. Of a sub segment of our culture is pulling away. When you sit when you say culture, what do you mean? What exactly do you mean by that in this context?

So first of all, black is not a race. This is not a Das is what I'm talking about my culture. The black American experience, all the end comps and compasses. I feel like they're trying to go away from that. I don't want I don't want them to have I'm being serious is a hard set right now. I don't want to see that happen. We've seen this with Native Americans. And I said, Well, it's a real fear of mine. I look at Native Americans, not you basically. It happened to them. But okay, so

do you. The question is, because this is coming from inside black families themselves. Now, of course, there's tons of influence from the outside making this happen, but it's something that's historically as we can see, because of external factors is happening internally. You know, so the, the grandmother says, Don't Don't go ahead. It's it's a family thing. You might fight with your sister or your brother. Right. But some I mess with them. You the curries,

right? Yes, of course. That's what I'm saying. I got you. I got you know, I, I understand that I just want to delve into you maybe illustrate I want to illustrate this trait that clearly yes, we may fight within ourselves. But before, if anybody mess with us, we were all together. No matter your shape, no matter you know, no matter what. Right? Well, it seems like they're trying to they found a good way to divide us and they're plucking every string

and they is is the Boulais ie the black elite. Yes. Okay. Let's just make sure. That's why I said they did a pivot. Yep. They were all for blacks. Mary And you heard the man said it himself. He was for blacks marrying blacks. That's the best thing you could do for a community but they do a pivot. You say you know what? That remember that passing thing? What happens here is the passing

bar has been lowered. Yes, that's why I want to illustrate a now is not whiteness, the bar now is not whiteness anymore, is non blackness. If we can skirt into non blackness, then we pass and from my perspective, Moe, I am literally the most hated type of person in the United States right now, which is an old school straight, white male, I too am being told to move over a little more to get a little brown or son. That's the man knows. The nudge, absolutely.

We're both being nudged. Let's get into Professor Kevin Brown too, with respect to black, multiracial. The research on the racial identity of multiracial shows, tends to show the black multiracial, they have a very different racial identity from African Americans, they generally tend to fall into one of three kinds. One, they either assert that they're multiracial. Second, that they will assert that they're black. Or third is that they will assert that they're just simply beyond race.

They're non racial, they don't think about race, you know, consider race. Indeed, a few will even take the white ancestry or Asian ancestry. And also, within the United States, the black family has fragmented since the 1960s. We're at a point now where almost 70% of our children are raised in single parent homes. So when you put together that black males are more likely to have interracial relationships with

white females. And with the black, the breakdown of the black home, it means many black, multiracial, those are actually being raised by single white females. And they therefore are having a very different racial identity than the traditional African American. So all of this seems to suggest that we are really watching some fundamental shifts in the traditional struggle of the African American in the United States and in in some real way. We are watching substantial interracial

marriages. And the trend of those continues to accelerate as the younger people get older and older, if I may, and if this is not an appropriate spot to do it. Let me know in this whole deconstruction, which you're laying out before us, quite expertly does and if so, where does Michael Jackson fit into this topic? Michael Jackson. He was born a dark skinned man, well darkened in a brown paper bag at this use of brown paper bag as

the darker light divide. But the pressures of fitting in to that is kind of like I think Michael Jackson suffer for something but that barring barring the skin, you know, vitiligo, vitiligo barring that, which is, I know, black men with vitiligo, and it's, yeah, he's a peel off and it's white. You know, I know white people with vitiligo and it's the same thing. Barring that, you can't still ignore the facial changes. Yeah. And I think that was a form of like, kinda like, how would it

call anorexia? And bulimia as you look in the mirror, he had an idea of an idea was based off of all white beauty. Yeah. And he was trying to get there. Honestly, believe about micro Chinese. Yeah. Yeah, it was the nose I think is really what bothered me. I worked with him a couple times. And, you know, I can't speak on behalf of all white people, but I know like, man, like you knows. You got a nice nose. What are you trying to do here to ruin it?

Now, now that you brought that up, and I don't want to harp on this too long, even though we're accepting of his quote, unquote, children, right, bro. Yeah, bro. Yeah, bro. Are we not too accepting of his children? Black people are Yeah, but bro did man made and my humble opinion. I don't think those are genetically Michael Jackson's children, though as possible. Wouldn't surprise me when I look at his genetics of him as a child. I don't see that

happening. But we're accepting that this is just to illustrate how accepting we are. Nobody has ever questioned it. Nobody has ever publicly questioned us right? Yeah, I have never heard anyone question it actually, except for here on Moe Factz. This is where we break down all those holy walls. Right. So one last a shorty, but let's get Kevin Brown three. Well, the the impact I think the impact I think we're already seeing it.

So there's less talk about race in the United States. brick and mortar Talk about new race neutrality individualism because course, as your black, multiracial grew up, they're less and less invested in it. Yeah, that's what you're talking about. That's how you lose it. Well, there's that that being cuts both ways. Either they go, Well, I'm not black anymore, I'm multiracial, you know, that kind

of thing. Or they go hyper black. Now we're gonna go back for shows to Mr. Shaun King, this degree of even like light skin privilege and accessibility. Like, because I look how I look, that makes me more relatable to white people and whitespace is, so what I have to do, if I have some level of relatability that I didn't choose, I was born with it. I have to use it, I have to squeeze it, I have to maximize it. So that's what you see with

like, mega woke like skin people are like, I'll go hard. Then the flip of that is I had Colin kapernick. And I've talked about this at great length. Because we grew up in the families we grew up in. We also grew up in close, intimate proximity to white people and white problems. And so we saw it and we understand it in a way. And so we're trying our best to use it. So, as Mr. Kevin Brown says, one way you can go is you say go away from blackness. But you have a lot of biracial people

that turn into the blackness very heavily. As he said the super mega woke that's his word Super Mega. Yeah, I did. Yeah. I, here's my theory on that. I think they try to play that game of, well, I'm not really black. But they get into those spaces, and then they're treated as they're black. Because the people that they're dealing with, still operate off the one drop rule. Right. And what you get is this, you get your Colin

Kaepernick, you get your Angela rise. You're saying you get your Shaun kings. Were not necessarily all a DOS, by the way. Right. But I tried to go racially ambiguous biracial. But it didn't work, and they get offended. And then that's why they said we need safe spaces we need, bro we've been we've been live this Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yep. We, I'm not. When I walk into this situation. That's why I said and here's what the trans thing is a great analogy. I have no closet

that I can live in. Oh, when you're trained, and you're really good at it. You do have a people don't really know. And they won't caution you about it, you know, but we have much, much more figured out you have more control over your parents in that situation versus Yeah, color. But when you're out it. Yeah. Or when you're out as as, as Mr. Kevin Brown says, you're raised by a white parent, you can pretty much pass. But then when you're out it, how

does your peers accept you? Right? They look at you differently, because you were saying you want to be accepted as not. And I don't think he's I don't think they want to be accepted as white. I think they want to get what they say pass race. And we heard that conversation were posed. Right? We're in a post racial society. Yes. Right. That's what what 2008 They were pushing hard. But you notice by 2012 2016 the other shoe dropped. Yeah. i na. Yeah, where what how does that

happen? I don't know. I can't say I can't I can't speak to that perspective, because I've never had that luxury of being racially ambiguous. But alright, so now we're here. Hold on, Moe, listen to your words. You said you haven't had the luxury of being racially ambiguous you consider that a luxury? I do. I I'll look at I'll reason why I say that is in the same way. As a trans person will be said to add whatever gender they

want it to be. Got it. Not as you're saying not as it either way what I'm saying is not being recognized by my race first got it. Not not that I don't want to be my race. I want to clear that up. Right. It's the fact that when you walk into a room as this whole show you seen Certain Way either way, either way it follows certain assumptions are gonna be made about you. Oh, of course, of course. So I've never had that even enter my community. Got it,

because I'm of a darker hue. So I know when you're like in the middle you like like you asked a great question what Brock Obama he falls in the middle so he never had to. I don't think he ever had the light skinned on the dark skin thing happened to him. But as we, as we've discussed before, and it fit perfectly in this episode as well. He had huge credibility with Michelle. Yes, well, I'm not just talking on the biracial thing. I'm talking about his own color alone. Right? His complexion.

Right, right. Right. It was perfect. It's perfect. So it's like he never was perceived as light skinned or light skinned black or dark. I've never so weird. You've made me think today? I've never heard him referred to is either. Right? That's, that's interesting. Yeah. Well, he's I think he was he's like it came out of central casting. The perfect I call him honey roasted. Is that a hashtag I should be aware of. So people may ask, what is the origin of all this? And you've

hinted at it as you do for your future. And we're gonna get something to fix that. Because right? Know exactly where I'm at? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This is this is one of my favorites. I love this. It's a plan, I believe, to destroy races of people. And if you're talking about what's going on in Europe? I think it is I think it's not only Europe. I think that's just one of the plans. One of the tentacles of the plan. But I think there's a thing called the choleric II plan.

Yes, sir. Oh, very familiar. I have a clip on it before but before we play the clip, I would like to get your perspective on this. The Kalevi plan? Well, we've we've discussed this quite a bit on the no agenda show in the in relation to immigration issues happening in Europe and I lived in the Netherlands, I lived in Belgium, I lived in the United Kingdom. And there was a I think he was our Austrian or he was amazing. He was of Asian

descent. I know one of his parts of Asia, and Austin, Japanese. I think that's exactly count of Coutinho of a choleric he, and his entire push was to create while his first book was pan Europa, which is no early 1925, or something before the before the depression, the Great Depression. But he foresaw a future where Europe became Brown, just everyone, everyone integrated, and we had one big mass of people kind of the same

color all over Europe. And this is taken so seriously that there is still a prize given I think, every year maybe every two years to people in Europe. I don't know, it's I don't know if it's called the choleric gi award, but it's for this type of integration. I know Angular Merkel, who really helped Germany open up their borders, to not really good results by the Germans own admission, what has happened all over Europe, and she was the one of the most recent recipients of the

choleric D award. And I've looked at this, and whenever you hear well, for instance, I first came in touch with it. In a horrible way on Anders Breivik, he's the guy who killed 80 kids on the island, and I want to say, Norway or Denmark, I can't remember off the top of my head. I remember that case. I remember that case. And he wrote, they called it a manifesto, but it wasn't it was a compendium, and it was a very large document and a whole bunch of stuff jammed together. And one of the

problems he had was this Cholesky plan. He said, I don't want my heritage, my race to be diluted the way the European project has planned it. And that was at least some of the impetus for the actions he took later reference by the Christchurch shooter. He also referenced that so this is something that's it's I don't think many people in United States know about it but in Europe it is definitely something being discussed as there's huge immigration issues and and opinions all over

Europe. So that I think is a short version of what the clergy plan is. So before let's play the clip now discuss it post a clip. So this is an excerpt from clarities book practical idealism. In 1925. Richard published another book and titled, practice your idealism us for practical idealism. An excerpt from practical idealism, quote, demand of the future will be of mixed race, the races and classes of today will gradually disappear due to the elimination of space, time and prejudice.

The Eurasian Negroid is the race of the future, similar in appearance to the ancient Egyptians, they will replace the diversity of the people and the diversity of the individuals, instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe, against her will refined and educated this people will be driving them to their future status as a leading nation through this artificial evolutionary process. Insofar as Europe is Christian, it is in a

spiritual sense Jewish, and so far, Europe is moral. It is Jewish, almost all European ethics are rooted in jury, all protagonists for religious or non religious Christian morality, from Augustine to Rousseau to Kant to Tolstoy, where Jews of choice in a spiritual sense Nietzsche is the only non Jew dealing European heathen moralist, and the east, the Chinese people are ethnically par excellence, and

the West. It is the Jews, strength of character paired with the sharpness of mind predestines to Jews, and their most excellent specimen to become the leaders of urbane humanity, from the false to the genuine spiritual aristocrats to the protagonist of capitalism, as well as of the revolution. Now we stand at the threshold of the third epoch of the new times

socialism. Also, socialism is supported by the Urban class of industrial workers, led by the aristocracy of revolutionary writers, this development, and with it, the chaos of modern politics will only then find its end when a spiritual aristocracy seizes the means of power of society. Richard clergy 1925 Yeah, yeah, I almost had I had the wrong book, but the right year. Yeah. So how do I get to this point is, and this is one of the

things I was the listener of your show. But when you brought this up, you hooked me, because I knew about this prior to hearing it on your show. The reason why I found this out is I watch commercials morning I watch television, as you can tell, oh, I turned commercials up when they come home. Because like telling me I'm not really into television. If I watch television, it's more of a watch Netflix which show I want to

watch and then you don't my life. But as I'm watching my major league sports so that they can invest because sports is one of my thing. I started noticing and maybe I want to say four or five years ago, the push of racially mixed couples on television. Now I preface everything I'm about to say is you can date you can love who you want to. Doesn't matter to me. I don't care. My problem is social engineering. We're not

watch these commercials. I'm like, okay, NES 123. And as long as my wife do you notice that somebody's talking about this? This isn't listen my wife because I noticed everything. She's like, Oh, are you looking too far today? You know, most of all I talked to her about she's like this show is going to ruin everything for your mom. It's gonna ruin your relationship. No, this is me. This isn't No it's gonna say my relationship. Because this is me talking to her. Yeah, this show and you're

just replacing her pretty you're a godsend to her. Right? Did you say Did you see that? Do you see what what are you talking about? You'd be hanging out with that white boy too much that's what's going on with you. No, no, no, no, no, I had these these these these this was pre no agenda for me. Okay. So I'm like watching the show. I'm like another mix couple. Yeah. And that I'm like, I don't know what

is going on here. Because most time is when you sell a salt Miss like you know, it was a couple is the same down from the error. You use the same race. What else everything became mixed race. And I'm like, what are they pushing here? I mean, this my brain would go off. I mean, I'm one of the guys just just for rec matter record. I'm wanting to gotta listen to the side effects all pharmaceutical commercials. Oh, that's another thing I point out like, did you hear that chair? That's not long

that is. And what she came back to me was like, I stopped saying it. And then she started noticing. She liked you. Right? And she says that I had to be right. Just so what did what was your feeling? Although this, you probably weren't married then about the Cosby family? Because there was very slick. They're all brown. But some of the I mean, obviously, it's casting and we know, but Was there ever any thought about that? Oh, well, you know,

what was Reishi? It was color ly bad. That's a word color Lee balanced. Okay, gotcha. The reason why I say that is the two oldest children were were a fairer skin. And then you have Vanessa which the third daughter? She's up dark, naughty. Oh, he's the boy. Oh, boy, that feels dark. Yeah, the next two children are dark skin. And then the tie goes to the dark skin because Rudy was darkened in a brown paper bag. So it was it was balanced. It was it was balanced. It was very

balanced. So yeah, but that was that was cautious. They were consciously aware that because even his wife is lighter than he Yes. Well, what was that? Mama first or mama second? Because they switched you know, they pulled that. You're talking about the Fresh Prince? I'm sorry. You're right. That was fresh. Which today? We must have been crazy. That calls though. But even today, people like I don't. There's only one for you. Exactly. So it can't be you know, like

you brought it up. See? Yeah. Yeah. So even that it was like what what? So now, but that was That was weird. So but yeah, just gone back that that's what started me on this quest of what is going on? What are they telling me? As what are they pushing to me as a fun fact, just to show you the seriousness because you know, when we're saying name like color, ag and vo 1923 People like, okay, whatever. But in 1955 He proposed Beethoven's Ode to Joy as the music for the European anthem. And this is

before the European Union was official. This happened. European Union is the last 18 years and now it's an official union of 28 member states. The national anthem of Europe is Beethoven's Ode to Joy. So the guy was taken very seriously. And his fingerprints are all over everything in the European Union project. And I would like to juxtapose him to Mr. Alan Lee relock, the father of the Harlem Renaissance, and how he his thought process is like the gospel now and the LG black LGBT

community. On the previous show, these guys when they were writing their books and pushing their agendas earlier, there were just too early for people to really catch on. But, you know, laid the groundwork laid the groundwork for the for the things that are being done today. But I say all that to say, I don't want to be erased. I say that with all seriousness, but I think it is a real, real possibility.

Well, it certainly seems like it's the push, I am not entirely sure what the benefit is to the Boulay the elites or even the Illuminati. Other than more control, I don't know. Maybe if we're all brown, then. Well, it's not about color. Let's get that straight. It's about removing culture. And here's the end game and how I see it. You remove culture, once you remove their culture, because here's, here's the problem. I'm not a mixed person. But I've known a lot of mixed people. And I've had

conversation with them. And as we see, even with even with black people, it's hard to fit in where you're different. And be totally accepted. Um, so I'm sure and I would love to hear from people who were to write in newsstand on this box. Sure. It's hard for them to fit in anywhere. So when you remove them from their, you know, remove culture from all the society, you can implant, the culture of corporatism. You're absolutely right. And I'm a little bit older than you. So

I'm 65. But I've come to realize that it is exactly the differences or some may call them imperfections, not just in skin color, but background culture, history, all of that. That makes it beautiful. Yes, yeah, that's my whole point. I don't want what what we provide to this human experience. I don't want that to be taken away right on. Then that's my Oh point Yeah. From all you have me you have this conversation is it works because we convert to a different perspectives, and we can find

commonalities in it. But then we all coach also can share the differences. Exactly. And in the future this kind of show may not exist if we let them have their way with us. Because there'd be no differences to talk about, we'll all just be the same drones. And that's, that's what that's my fear. Well, Moe, I'll help you fight against that, because I don't like it either. That's my fear too. Absolutely. But standing next to you I can say that you see is very, very dangerous for

white men to say these kinds of things these days. And that is just as dangerous for me to say it. I will say that because we're expected I know we got to wrap but it's an expectation for you not to be expecting from society. It's even more pressure for me to be accepting because they have like almost the same thing as being this are the same thing as being black. Or this is same thing as being black. Yeah, now you're saying that it's like everything we have, we have to

be accepting of everything. So that's why I say we're coming from the same parallel on two different you're saying on you know, two different directions. Well, ultimately, we're just two American dudes chatting it up a bit and coming with all are differences and that's what I love so much about it and I and you know, for someone who didn't graduate college, I love learning on a Monday. I really, really do. All

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