¶ Moe Factz 8
Moe Factz with Adam Curry for September 23 2019, episode number eight. as we wind down the month, it's time to do another show Moe how're you doing? I'm doing very well. How you doing, Adam? I'm doing day ending. Outstanding. Everyone really loved the last episode got a lot of real good positive feedback about you. Nothing but positive feedback on this side as well. Excellent. Excellent. So you told me I can't remember must have been last week over the weekend, you kind of let me know
what the what the topic would be. It may be incredibly topical, considering the Emmy Awards last night. So I'm very curious to see what's going to happen on today's Moe Factz with Adam curry. Yes. The Emmys was a pleasure. Not a pleasant surprise. But I didn't follow that closely. But I do see one headline where I'm the black male. Lead. Yep. What is his name? Billy. Billy, his name is Billy. Right. Billy with crazy hat. And this is gonna be so ironic about this. What we're going to
talk about talk about in today's show. What happened last year with Billy, do you remember what happened with Billy last year? You know, to be honest, Billy Porter, I think the keeper and I tried to watch pose once or twice and just really couldn't get into it. And I really, you know, I didn't think about Billy Porter until I saw him with that hat. I'm like Joe right. Now that's the lid right there. I haven't I can't remember at all what happened last year?
Well, Billy's hat. Wasn't his first fashion statement. I guess your Billy wore a dress to the Emmys. Oh, okay. And this is going to be very, very important to the subject that we're going to talk about today. But I mean, just disavow that away, disavow that word drift drift to the Emmys last year? And he wins this year? Okay. All right. I hear your skepticism already. All right. Take us through it Moe. All right, so we start the show off on a more somber note.
What's going to lead us in today's show is what happened in the past week? With Mr. Ed book? Ah, yes, yes, we've had our eye on him for a couple of years. He's been in all kinds of trouble, but not really in trouble. And now he's really in trouble. So last show, I went on a tangent. Um, and at a later date, we would discuss the LGBT alliance with with black movement, right. So with this happening with Ed buck, this gave us the proper context. To have this conversation is funny
how those things work out. I didn't plan to have this conversation. This or I mean, I plan to have but it's amazing how the timing worked out that it gave us the perfect Leap, leap off point to have this conversation. So let's just get into a little background. We're a little clip heavy today, so I'm gonna get right into it. Let's get into pre arrest. Serial predator Ed book investigators in California looking into the second death of
an African American man in the home of democratic megadonor. Ed buck. Over the span of less than two years. The man now being identified as 55 year old Timothy Dean, he died of an apparent overdose back in July of 2017 26 year old Jamil more was found dead of a meth overdose in the same apartment. Our next guest has been sounding the alarm on Ed buck for over a year. Journalist and political commentator Jasmine Kanak joins us right now. Live from LA with more. Jasmine, good morning to you.
Good morning. Let's start at the beginning who is Ed buck? At buck is a major donor to the California Democratic Party as well as a lot of its elected members. He's given lots and lots of money he's a well known animal rights activist as well as an LGBT activist. No I didn't know about the animal rights part that's cool. Yeah. So the these clips this this first series of clips is post
the second man black gay man dying and Ed books. Apartment due to drug overdose in the same manner, and prior to the third victim, yeah, who the most recent victim that escaped, he was able to escape. He got out alive. That's right. So just to set that up, and so on. This is a great, great backgrounder. So let's get into clip number two, you have been a democratic activist for a while you worked
on Capitol Hill, you are worked in California politics. This is very upsetting to you personally, why regarding the Democratic Party, because over 77% of black people in California vote Democratic, we vote for Democrats. It is a shame that when something like this happens when you have the chair of your state party, who at the time was Eric baman, who was very good friends with Ed buck, was willing to turn a blind eye as well as instruct
others not to speak on it. As a black woman as a black Democrat, I expect more from my party. That is not the type of investment that black people expect from Democrats when we're being killed. When we are being hurt. And we're being harmed. We expect the Democratic Party to stand up for what's right. If it was someone who was white, if it was a white gay man, I feel like the Democratic Party would have took a completely different
position. But because these are young, black gay men, who are largely invisible, I feel like my party just feels like they're not worth it. And that's absolutely wrong. Yeah. And obviously, when when this came out after the second guy was odd in his apartment, yeah, it was pretty clear that it seemed like there was some protectionism going on seeing as Mr. Mr. Buck was a huge democratic party donor.
That is, that is correct. And it I just find it strange that Kamala Harris, being the pro LGBT candidate that she is, and being the former da, mean of, you know, in California, and holding the post that she has held in California, didn't bring attention to this. Like she hasn't mentioned this at all. I've searched high and low and I can't find anything her. Well, I'm not surprised that she hasn't. Because he I mean, he's a big time donor. And you know, that money trickles down or up
or however you want to look at it. across different multiple campaigns. Also, I'm surprised that there were some gay rights black gay rights groups that were addressing this, but not to the point where you have two day black men day and a white man's apartment, you would think this will be all across CNN news. MSNBC when he when the first two bodies occurred, and just for background, they did find syringes full of drugs in his apartment, and he didn't even get a drug charge.
Yes, special privilege. Don't you realize this most in California donor. Right, so she makes a prediction. In the third clip, let's hear what she makes her prediction. See, black men have died in this man's house of an overdose
within 60 within 18 months. And that is not a coincidence. Like I said, we have nearly a dozen young men who have come forward who are sharing their stories with detectives who have spoken to me, this is a pattern, this is a practice of that buck, it is very clear that if he is not stopped, there will be a third body. Okay, well, she was right on the money there. A dozen people came forward. A dozen Yeah, this guy is a serial killer. Allegedly, allegedly. Okay, if the allegations are
true. He's He's killing people with the same method. And he's targeting it seems to be a certain group of people. I think that qualifies you if if the charges are true? Let's be I have to, you know, just for reasons we have to say that but well, just just to be fair, if these are accidental overdoses, then you know, there's it's different than a serial killer. Could be manslaughter. I'm not a lawyer, obviously. So I what you're insinuating is interesting, and it's all allegedly, is that he
might be doing this on purpose. That's what a true serial killer does. And then as we get more into the story, we're going to hear more details. So now, now, we fast forward to the third victim, luckily that God survived and him survive and he was able to tell his tale which the other two men weren't able to tell.
And we see some action happening. So Edie was arrested after 30 Victim A prominent democratic donor arrested and charged with running a drug den after three men reportedly overdose in his Hollywood home. The most recent victims survive but two other men have died and Edie bucks home in the last two years. Fox News Chief Breaking News correspondent trace Gallagher and our West Coast newsroom with the whole story trace.
And Laura prosecutors call Ed buck a violent sexual predator who preys on men struggling with addiction and homelessness, luring them into his home with the promise of drugs, money and shelter and adding that the full scope of his malicious behavior is still unknown. In this latest case, buck is accused of injecting a 37 year old man with quote dangerously large doses of methamphetamine on September 11. Then refusing to help when the
man believed he was overdosing. He survived but others have not been as lucky. In the past few years, two other men had been found dead in Bucks West Hollywood apartment 26 year old Jamel more 55 year old Timothy Dean both overdosed on methamphetamine. At the time. There wasn't enough evidence to charge buck. Even though the Jamel wore Roy Moore wrote in his journal the time, quote, I become addicted to drugs. And the worst one is that Ed buck is the one to thank he gave me my
first injection of crystal meth. It was very painful. But after all the troubles I became addicted, right. So and this is coming from the third victim or is this still Fox News hearsay or that was that was they found the diary of the second victim? Right. And his that's what he wrote his his diary that, obviously I mean, of course, according to I mean, we have to
be careful here, according to his diary. And book is the one that got him hooked on meth right, by your doctor by direct injection, which is bad news. Yeah. And the third victim was said to be given a dangerously high dose of meth, right. And ed ed refused to help him when he when he said he was overdosing. So one of the narratives were Ed Buck was taking guys off the street, they were struggling
with addiction. And he was kind of like giving them drugs to help them, you know, so they didn't have to go out and score elsewhere. But these accounts of the victims were either through a diary or the third victim's actual account kind of pushed back against that. Right. So they have a different narrative in there. And their accounts match. Yes. And they go counter to how it was being explained away.
Because I've been tracking this story since it first happened. I mean, this is this is one of the things that it didn't make it crossed the threshold of Black Twitter, me to white Twitter. And in the fact that the level of details, well, I definitely crossed my, my great Twitter threshold, even even the first time around. But there's been known there's been no mainstream
news coverage, really. So that that's where, you know, that's the cycle, you had to get it on the across the board on the social networks, it's got to be something that's been repeated on cable news or, or other television stations. So yeah, definitely low exposure to the story. And that's the point I was making about not making the call
it blips on the radar. Yep. Oh, you know, but the level of finding of a diary of one of the victims where, you know, where he was saying he was being injected, those things didn't make it, you know, didn't bubble to the surface. But now, I think they have to get rid of Ed book. He's probably he's definitely problematic, causing big problems. Because he's causing a fissure in the voting bloc, that the Democrats have created. And this is what
more of the show is going to be about, of this. This conglomerate of different groups, how they enter work, how to intermingle that being black community and the LGBT community. This is best where we're gonna go with this with this arm. In the show, no. And here, I was thinking we were finally going to do a true crime podcast. Oh, okay. All right, back to the political side. All right.
No, you know, I have to go. I have to go left sometimes. Cuz you can hear this story just to hear the story anywhere, but I'm gonna give it context. I think that's what people kind of tune into here. But let's listen to third victim to time. Well, reportedly, Horace He lured these young men, most of
them younger man, to his home, is extremely affluent. He's a very prominent LGBT activist, and activist causes, he would lure them in, and then get them addicted, as you saw on that handwritten note by Mr. Moore. This is a tragic case, when you look back on the facts, and Jasmine alluded to this. This was known to officials for some time, why would it take so long, simple case of lack of evidence?
It's not a simple case of lack of evidence, what we see is what looks like the Harvey Weinstein model or the Epstein model where prominent of fluent influential Democrats in blue cities are literally getting away with murder. We don't need three of these instances, one of these, you just change the scenario just slightly and put the name of any publicly known Republican and have this kind of incident happen once and I assure you, they don't stop until they have the guy in handcuffs.
Who was the speaking Moe who was that guy? That is Horace? Ah, one second is the black guy or white guy. Yeah, he's just funny, but it was for me. Oh, he's a black guy. Okay. Let's be clear. We don't know horse horse Cooper. Is that him? Horse? Cooper? Yes. On the 21st some 21st project or 21 project. And other lady is Jasmine from the first eclipse and she's a democratic operative operative pot pundit out and now I want to bring go back to the
first of the clips. You heard how forceful, forceful? She was about calling out Democrats? Yeah. Listen to her tone. And the next and these clips. First of all, he he acted with impunity. He didn't care. Secondly, I think this is less about him being a Democrat, although that is an issue and more about the race of the victims. And thirdly, look at the end of the day, you know, you know, the the life expectancy of black gay men in LA County has substantially increased with him being
arrested. And that is very important, because he preyed on black gay men. Okay, I know he's, I guess that's very important. And gay, black, but I want to push back on your statement. I want to push back on your statement in the bluest state city in America. They don't care about other black men who are being exploited. If they don't care there. There isn't any hope anywhere. Here's the much more likely story that this man's influence allowed him a lot of cover act
with impunity. Yeah, you're here to change your hair tone. Oh, yeah. From this first eclipse? Yeah. I think Miss Jasmine got to talking to Oh, yeah. Like, shut that Democrat stuff down. Make this a black issue. Because Have you heard it? And I'm surprised you didn't catch it. She She did a double up. She said look, at the end of the day. You're right. She you know, she hit him back. She did hit him back to back. You're right. You're right.
Yeah, I feel bad now that I didn't catch that. Stupid. Yes, of course. It's a double win. I'll clip that clip. Wow. I want to see if you caught that when she hit it back the bat. I was like her brain was working overtime to pivot. Now what is sort of what is Jazmin Miss Jasmine's background. She's a democratic operative in California, and she was I gotta be give her credit. She was one of the first people to take on this Ed book story head on, as we heard, and that's why I
played the order clips to hear the change in narrative. Yeah. Because she was going after the Democrats and this is this is the difference between clip after the second death and now after the third read Okay, well, yeah, there's a big change there for sure. That's why you know, just to get that context. So what you hear here is it's not about it can't be about politics and and horse made a great point. If this had been a Republican donor, Oh,
yeah. all over all over with dead black bodies and his house Yeah, would have been a problem. Yes. And this is why we look at people as being disingenuous. And I hope black people will see this, and I hope even LGBT people see this, because they don't have your it's all about politics. It's only about politics to politicians and their pundits. And just to be fair, politicians speak justice easily about going to war and killing hundreds of 1000s of people on all sides,
politicians do it. So they are also in a whole class have removed from reality by themselves. Agree and mass, that's the thing. Is their agenda driven? They're not people driven. They're not they don't even believe in the causes that they push. No, of course, it's all I know, stating the obvious here, but I hope people see that it's not about your identity. They only see you as a ballot. Yeah, as a chip as a chip to be played in the big game
to be activated. Yeah, it is a common theme, you know, and this podcast is all about activation. So LGBT are being activated in the same way blacks are being activated. But if it's something that doesn't benefit them bring up they they've hidden this case, yeah, this this should be something that should be all over. Let's get the clip number four.
It is not true to say that this issue turns on race. What this issue is turning on it, that's what we need to watch is are we allowing people right in our midst to use their wealth and influence to literally get away with murder? Jasmine? Yeah, well, that's my truth. That's her truth. Yeah. All right. So sorry. So I think we've all we've addressed all we can about the ED book, you know, just breaking news portion of this. But I want to look at
what's behind this. And one of the common themes that we talked about on the show is homelessness. plays into what goes what why these men may perhaps been victims. Adam, have you ever heard of survival sex? survival sex at No. It implies though, that just to stay alive, you'll do whatever it takes, including having sex with people. So let's hit Miss Tiffany Graham. She gave a TED Talk. I'd always loved one to take because you get you know, great
information. Miss Tiffany gram on homelessness and sex survival six, let me tell you a story. Andy, which is not his real name, left home when he was 14 years old. He identifies as queer, which means that in his case, he does not identify with the traditional understandings of gender or sexuality. The home in which he was raised, however, was not a nurturing setting for
a child whose identity was constructed in these ways. He was also physically and sexually abused in this home, the environment was so oppressive, that he could not come out of the closet. And at one point, he attempted to commit suicide. He knew that if he did not leave, he would try again. So he did. So by the age of 14, he found himself on his own, and he did not have the means to take care of himself. So he began trading
sex, for food, for shelter and for transportation. He did not reach out to social service providers, because he feared quite reasonably that they would either send him to foster care or they would send him back to his parents just to go to show you survival sex is when a person trait as you stated, when a person trades, the only commodity they have their bodies for things that they need. And this is a huge problem, certainly with homeless youth everywhere.
This is a huge problem. And clip two goes into that problem. And the story is not unusual. And it highlights a question that many people have raised in the wake of the Supreme Court decision legalizing same sex marriage, after spending more than two decades focused on gaining relationship recognition rights. What will the movement for LGBTQ equality focus on next? Many options have presented themselves but one of the most pressing issues is Is the problem of teen homelessness
and its particular impact on the LGBTQ community. So youth homelessness, defined as homelessness affecting anyone under the age of 25. What does it look like, especially for LGBTQ kids. In the two most recent studies conducted by the Department of Housing and Urban Development, they reported the following information to Congress, over 190,000 youth and children were homeless on any given night in 2013. In 2013, over 500,000 youth experienced a homelessness episode that lasted
for longer than one week. unaccompanied homeless children and youth. In other words, those who are not with their families accounted for approximately 8% of the overall population of homeless youth. And within that group itself, 86% of them are between the ages of 18 and 24. So of course, that means that 14% of this group were under the age of 18. Now, among this group of unaccompanied homeless youth studies vary, but most suggest
that between 20 and 40% of them are LGBTQ. And most of the studies have settled on a number that is closer to 40%. Wow, some big numbers there. And that's some big numbers. Yeah. And we see, they brought this information to Congress. Well, I haven't heard this asked anyone on the on the Democratic side, talking point to address. Well, there's so there's a couple things going on, I'll interject that. The homelessness issue is always addressed separately, you
don't hear much about survival, sex at all. And whenever they're talking, whenever they the news, media, politicians talk about homelessness, the only thing they appear to be able to talk about in conjunction with that is affordable housing. So there's no other conversation. There's no other real descriptive talk about what it is. In fact, we've gotten to a point in our society where we can't even say homeless, you and I are touching the, like the third rail there. You got to say
experiencing homelessness. So yeah, it's well, I like unhoused. But it's funny, but yeah, but it is comical how they talk about it, though. It's it's actually extremely disappointing. Now, the one thing I want to say is that one of these Buck victims was 55 was not that young, but maybe we'll get to that later. I don't know. Yes. He? Yes, that's correct. But the other two were
very young men. Yes, yeah. In her 20s. So I'm making the point that to give context to the victims, you know, they've been, as the guy say, he didn't have anywhere to go. And book told him come live with me. And the point I'm going to get to is, there is a certain class of people. As we see Epstein now, as we see with Ed book that prey on the low class. So you have to ask yourself, is the homelessness allowed to happen because it creates a large inventory for these types of
predators to prey from? Oh, wow. Yeah, Moe. That's, that's a big question. I know. I know. But let's get into clip three. survival sex is an enormous issue two LGBTQ youth between the ages of 10 and 25 are 70% more likely to engage in survival sex, while 80% of homeless transgender youths are more likely to have engaged in survival sex than homeless cisgender youths? Now, what do we mean by survival sex. In principle, survival, sex is part of the wider commercial sex
trade. People who engage in survival sex do so because they literally have no other way to survive. So they exchange sex for money, they exchange sex for shelter, they exchange it for food, clothing, or any other good which is a necessity of life or drugs, obviously,
or drugs. So I asked a question. And I'm being serious when I asked this question that We see that a person that St. He was a, I think the credit words purveyor for people that were into the type of thing that he was providing, correct, which will be young girls. Yes. And in this clip that we just played, she said a kid as young as 10. Yeah, 10 years old. And by the way, participate, I talked to Alan Graham from very
successful homelessness project here in Austin. And he said, This is so this isn't that with young kids is not just perpetrated by old rich guys. It is part of the homelessness experience. Sadly, this happens all the time. And it's actually something people really don't talk about much. I'm surprised that this came on this on the TED talk, you don't you can't find many clips where people will talk about that.
I had to dig for this. You are very, you're right. So what that leaves me is to, in recent, a couple of our last show, I brought up a guy named Malik Yoba. And Malik Yoba has been, he's a, he's an actor, famous black actor. And he's been on the forefront pushing the trans agenda. Specifically, and why he did that. Transitioning to trans, I get this mixed up trans female, a man. Here's here's how I understand it. As a trans woman is a man who identifies and is transitioning or has
transitioned to a woman. And the reason why seems to be the the most common occurrence of of trans is male to females from what I'm seeing anecdotally, the reason why I have trouble with that, because then they say I'm a real woman. So I want to make sure I get that, right. I
don't want to offend anybody. But a trans woman came out and said, How are you being pro trans, when you used to participate, allegedly, allegedly in survival six, as she went on this long, Instagram tirade, explaining how he would interact with her when she was a young person. Media silence on her media silence. So I'm going to show you these agendas, don't
really care about the victims. And they've been pushing this whole thing and now he's saying, men that don't try to date trans women are homophobic Yes, yeah, I've heard this. Sure. That's his push. And he got a lot of pushback. They're transphobic. Sorry to be correct, that men who won't date trans women are transphobic transphobic. So he got a lot of pushback for this from heterosexual males or heterosexual agenda in the black
community. So that goal that leads us to this question is gay, the new black? I understand the tension is on both sides, you know, black folks that can we have some can we get something that's ours? Ain't nobody appropriate alternative jazz? Can we keep the civil rights? Everybody ain't black. Now, here's, here's the thing that I think a lot of black people miss, is that it's real flattery for people to try to compare themselves to black
people. You know, hey, we want to be black. We're down like them. It's an insult to a lot of black people like hate the same thing. Go dog. So slow down with that. What's interesting to me, though, is that many African American people forget that the Civil Rights Movement itself was borrowed. Right, then then pay some some royalties to Mahatma Gandhi, because that's where King got it.
Well, in light of the Emmys last night, right now there is there's a lot of groups gearing up for October 8, there's going to be a hearing the Supreme Court about Title Seven, which is Title Seven of the Civil Rights Act, but their focus is purely on transgendered rights, not black. Well, we've seen this before with soon as the rapper reparations talks came up from black people in the New York Times wrote an article about gay reparations.
Yes, and and who else was say it wasn't, was a Kamala Harris. Did she say that? There was some there was some other gay reparations so a recent candidate I can't remember exactly. I can't I can't remember. I remember the incidents well by I can't remember exactly who. So now we have this push that was that for people who don't know, that was Michael Eric Dyson speaking on is gay, the new black. And as he said that it is
almost an insult. Some black people receive it as an insult that you tried to equate the two things. Well, I can I can understand that. But then he goes on to say, well, you, you borrow the and this guy's like this. He knows where he's from academia, you know, so he understands he has to walk that line. Because he can't piss off the black people. Because that's part of his support. But then he also can't piss out the LGBT because he'll
get ran out of, you know, his position at a university. So he in in June, June 23, Elizabeth Warren reintroduced a bill on the campaign trail, which could mean a $57 million tax refund for married LGBT couples. It is characterized as Warren promising reparations for gay couples just to tie that in right up. And that's what pisses even me off. It pisses me off. How do you jump in this? How do you jump us in line? How did
this happen? You took our president? I mean, okay. Ours, I mean, but let me we get, we're gonna have a real conversation today. Folks, let me start. Let me just turn down your trigger down a little bit, because we want to have a real conversation as a sentiment among amongst black people that we already had to talk about being patient the first term and then he was going to post a turn up and turnout on the second term, right. Obama,
he talked about about Obama by President Obama. We turned out we voted him not with me, but as a people, we voted him and twice the expectation was a second term. He was going to know really push our agenda. That was that that was this unspoken expectation. Right? Well, he did turn up. Yep. But not for us. No, I know exactly what he turned up for. For gay marriage. No bathrooms. I was getting there. I'm sorry. Trash that transgender bathroom.
I mean, that's the Yeah, you lie. You light up the White House with a rainbow flag? Yeah. Um, he gives all these gay historic Civil Rights people. These awards, the highest awards. One is going to be addressed in the next clip. MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, too. I think that gay back gay people do black people a favor and first of all, let's what are we forgetting here? Some gay people happen to be black? It is not like they told them Oh, you're gay. You don't have to go to the bank say upfront with us.
Because you're looking for delicious today. You go to the head of the bus. I don't make the news. I'm just recording right here. They got no exemption. James Baldwin spoke for black people as a black gay man. Barber Smith. Now Audra Lorda. without buying Ruston, straight black people would never enjoy the rights they enjoy now. Adam Clayton Powell called Martin Luther King Jr. up and said, I'm going to tell a lie that you invited Russ in the heaven and affair if you don't put him out.
You know, and you may be getting to this. Who was the first? The first guy he mentioned? They are arrested. No. Yeah, yeah. No, that was no no the other name. Adam Clayton Powell. No, before that. Shoot. We're gonna we're gonna put back out here. Let me see. I think it was here. I don't make the news. I'm just recording right here. No, they ain't got no exemption. James Baldwin spoke
up James Baldwin. That's what I meant. Yes. Bobby quoted James Baldwin yesterday and he says in his acceptance speech. And you know what? Michael Eric Dyson is being disingenuous. And we're going to see this. A lot of the blood At first, when you say first person to do this first person to do that, we're LGBT. Oh, we're gonna talk about Mr. Alan Lee. We're a lot the first Rhodes Scholar. Um he was the father of the little hand on myself but he was the father of of the Harlem Renaissance that I
brought up last time. Yes. Okay. This is where we're headed. He's being very disingenuous. Because we as we're gonna point out, you're saying throughout your saying the duration of this show, a lot of black first, we're LGBT. But he brings up Mr. Bae RT Rustin Have you ever heard of Mr. br wrist? I have not. Okay. Ah, let's listen to civil rights pioneer fired was at heart a militant and revolutionary in the fight for civil rights,
Byard. Rustin served as a trusted adviser to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. during the Montgomery Bus Boycott, but better known for organizing the iconic 1963 March on Washington than one man in America who could do it did it and that's why it happened. It had an architect his name was via Drosten. But in a time when intolerance ran high Rustin stood out for more than just his work on civil rights. It was just one of these facts of life by it is gay. He doesn't
hide it. I said to somebody wants that he never knew there was a closet to go into by had been attacked, both for his homosexuality and his old his political views. Strom Thurmond did it on the floor of the United States, Senator Thurmond, reference reston's 1953 arrests on a public sex charge. The senator is interested in attacking me, because he is interested in destroying the movement, he will not get away with this. So they the perception is black people have never been accepting
of homosexuals. Everybody that was Black had to be closeted, but as you're seeing here, we had a lot of people and prominent positions that were openly gay. Yeah. Bay aren't resting in 1986 on when he was addressing the New York State gay rights bill, to he gave a speech. The new niggers are gays. And here's a clip. Oh, so I have a quote though. Oh, good, good, good. He says today, blacks are no longer the litmus paper and this is 1986. The today blacks are no longer the
litmus paper or the barometer of social change. Blacks are in every segment of society and there are laws that help to protect them from racial discrimination. The new neighbors are gays in this in this sense, the gay people are the new barometer for social change. The question of social change should be framed with the most vulnerable group in mind gay people and he said this in 1986 1986 Can I just say something I love you schooling me i Okay, I'm learning this is great.
So this is where the gays are the new blacks talking point was really birth Oh, so let's get into gays are the Civil Rights pioneer to it wasn't the first time Breslin sexuality came under attack sometimes from his own people, including the Democratic congressman from Harlem, there was the possibility of a rumor being circulated by Adam Clayton Powell, that Byard Rustin and Martin Luther King, Jr. We're having in the fear King press the bard to take a back seat.
So that's got the back seat is gonna be very I don't know if that was a shoe trying to come out. But so you have kings right hand man and from Bay art rustlers accounts. He really trained King. It wasn't just a visor. He's the one that taught King about the Gandhi the whole Gandhi thing, right? Um, and let's be clear, okay. So they were being investigated, right? By J. Edgar Hoover FBI was all over him as well. No
one knows. So now we're gonna give him I'm gonna give you by the way J Edgar Hoover loved his dresses. Not only that, but J Edgar Hoover was allegedly a black man we don't get to keep anybody anymore. You guys taken all All of our heroes. We don't want just kidding. We're trying to bend over for Well, I'm just you know, I'm just going to look him up because
Washington Post I have the article here Okay. Was J Edgar Hoover black barber a Reynolds from the Washington Post says in some quarters the ratio of aroma has have been whispered about as widely as homosexuality. Eastwood avoidance of the issue as entry to the movies main storyline. As Hoover was digging up dirt on President spying on her and harassing civil rights leaders. He was crossed JC and carrying on an affair with Clyde Tolson, the FBI number two man. It says McGann McGee said in
1950s, I was a younger This is allegedly his cousin, in 19. In the late 1950s, I was a young girl growing up in rural McComb, Mississippi, a story had been passed down through several generations, that the land we lived on was owned by the Homer family. My grandmother, my grandfather told me that that this powerful man Edgar was his second cousin, and was passing for White. If we talked about this, he was so powerful he could come help us killed. I grew up terrified about all of
this. But after, but later the educator and researcher on Earth enough information by digging through altered court records or interviews with both white and black Hoover's, and the help of licenses on Jeanne Elise, to substantiate the rumors that had that she had her as a child that Hoover was a relative. And I have the Washington I'm gonna I'm gonna put that in, in our show notes. Actually. That's Oh, that's dynamite. Well, man. So now you have a black alleged gay man investigating another
black man. And so they brought up so just to give that context. So they spoke about Mr. Adam Clayton Powell. So all of these figures come from one place. Harlem, yes. They all stemmed from Harlem because Harlem was the hotbed of blackness ever since the late 1920s. When you had the black when you had the Harlem Renaissance Yes. But so what just to go about br Ruston they are wrestling was not a saint, and there was a reason why they are resting had to step away from the civil rights
movement. They are arrested arrested. Though I was extremely fond of him, I knew that he was interested in meeting lots of other people and occasionally they turned up to in my bed when I wasn't expecting that FBI field report. On January 21 1953, Ruston was arrested by the police department in Pasadena, California, as a suspected sexual pervert. He was charged with lewd vagrancy and sentenced to 60 days in the county jail. That was pretty fast news for the past plus community that
fired had been arrested in Pasadena. All the other arrests he had were on grounds for principle that this was an arrest where he knew he was wrong. I don't mean morally wrong, because it was a sexual encounter. I mean, it was stupid to get arrested on the backseat of a car with two guys in a public place and he knew this. Wow, I don't know why but for some reason, this reminds me of George Michael. It's similar. Yeah. It's very, very it's very which which
destroyed his career destroyed him. That's my personal belief. And when they arrested him being arrested it make it you know, they could kind of gloss over him being gay men said the lady stated in the previous clips, he didn't know a closet. So it wasn't like, you know, people didn't know he was gay. I didn't know he was gay. Right? It was very clear he was gay but the fact that him getting arrested made him look you know, like a, like a deviant like a
lack of deviant for me. Yeah, I was gonna Yeah, exactly. So they brought up Mr. A Adam Clayton Powell and Adam Clayton Powell was a seem to be a religious person. He came from a religious family that's to say that so they make it seem like you know, Adam Clayton Powell was coming out to be out wrestling because he was gay. And he made that thread about him and Kane being lovers because he was gay. The thing about kink the real issue about King and they are wrestling was they are wrestling
with a communist. And they were worried about the influence of the Communist Party on King and the civil rights movement. And we're gonna that's gonna be a shelf for a later date because that's a whole nother rabbit hole of communism fell within the black community, but well and that also played out around that same time then with J. Edgar Hoover, you know, we had and we had the Church Committee and all kinds of crazy stuff. Now you see why they reason not. Now you see why they were really
investigating him. Hoover being a gay black man. He should really empathize with them about gayness or being black. But the commie isn't as dark. That was the real influence. And now we're getting to the Boulais part. Oh, Adam Clayton Powell was big Boulais out of Harlem. And you got to see this Adam Clayton Powell threat. Adam Clayton Powell, in one blacks picketing Democratic
Convention. In fact, he went so far as to warn King that if King did not withdraw support from that demonstration, he would go to the press and say there was a sixth full affair going on between me and King. Martin was so terrified by this threat. Wow. It was about the Democratic Convention course. Not them being gay. He didn't want them protest in the Democratic Convention. That's why I say Adam Clayton Powell was Boulais.
And you're gonna start this training for people who are new Boulais is and we've discussed this, I think as far back as Episode One, black Illuminati, easiest way to describe it. It's not completely accurate, but it gives you the general idea. That's correct. Yeah, this the black elites are the Boulais aren't, you know, like I said, they're the black wing of the Illuminati or, or the protectors or the Illuminati. So, yeah, Adam Clayton Powell have political motives. And what you're seeing
here is two divides of people. Black groups that were backed by two different pools of money. The best way I can explain that in modern day times, it's like Black Lives Matter on one side, being backed by a democratic liberal agenda, correct? Yeah. Money. And then you have, I don't know if it's fair, but I'm just as an example, you have somebody say, like, as Candace Owens being backed by conservative talking points,
gotcha. Or motors, this is what you have. And this is this goes all the way back to Harlem. Because Harlem was the the, you know, the ground zero for blackness, so that you had these two powers fighting for control of it. So just to give you context of who Adam Clayton Powell is, I have a short clip of Adam Clayton Powell explaining black power. That thing again, means me gonna walk side by side with you walk through you're gonna be with dignity and integrity. We don't
want any more than you have. And we're not gonna accept any less than you have at back. Where was this? Where to? Where did you say this? Do you know, this was 1968. He was giving a speech, I believe in California. Okay. So if you hear if you listen to him closely, he brought the word dignity twice. So what you're hearing is like really the conservative wing, he was more on the conservative side of things. And when you have people like BRST, who was clearly on the liberal side of things, you
can hear where I'm where these two divots happen. So we have to go back to Harlem now, because Adam Clayton Powell, came out of the biggest church in Harlem at the time, and they are rusting cut his teeth, and Harlem at the same time, so these two people were very aware of each other. So just to give a background, it's a little long, it's not very cologne. But let's listen to queer in Harlem. Hey, all intellectual aka Lexa Joan day of intellectual media,
and this is Two Minute history. So let's talk about black queerness. During the Harlem Renaissance, as Henry Louis Gates put it, Harlem was surely as gay as it was black queer identities were relatively numerous. In fact, transgender people were common among the working class group of Harlem there was an event called the Hamilton lodge ball which delighted 1000s of spectators both white and black alike. Although the black trans community was a definite target
of Irish cops, they still dare to exist. prominent writers like Langston Hughes, Claude McKay and Kelsey Cullen were queer.
Many shelled surreptitious same sex desire in their work, but due to their elite status in the company they kept, they displayed traditional gender and sexual identities in public homosexuality was a frequent theme and counts a Collins's work and there are even surviving love letters he wrote to men several jazz musicians who regularly played in Harlem clubs had same sex relationships, including Ethel
Waters, who was bisexual. Gladys Bentley was a regular Harlem performer who often wore men's clothes and flirted with the women in the audience. Madam CJ Walker's daughter, a prominent Harlem socialite, was known to uninvite people from her pop and parties if they dared speak out against LGBT people. She loved to surround herself with black lesbians and gays, noncognitive
black queerness may not have been accepted everywhere. But the population of black queers in Harlem in the 1920s tells the rational person that black sexuality has been and will continue to be multifaceted. Black queerness isn't some conspiratorial agenda, nor is it new. When shown freedom or tolerance, black queers will reveal themselves in greater numbers.
I'll point out there that everyone she mentioned, was an entertainer or an entertainer or in the arts, and I think that may have a little bit more to do with queerness or recognition of self in those particular communities where it's artistic. And I think that's historically true. Yes, and that Well, according to John Legend, you can't be creative if you're not a Democrat. That's exactly right. Right. Right. So, man, yeah, you making me want to play
that clip? Now? You know, it's like, Yeah, hold on a second, I get to play a clip here. Listen to John Legend. Well, we've always been liberal musicians, actors, it's almost by disposition. We deal with the gay and lesbian community all the time. So we're going to feel like, they should have the right to get married, just like we do. We deal with people of all colors in all races, and we traveled to different countries all the time to perform. So we're going to have a more
global view and a more inclusive view. It's almost by nature, and by and by a circumstance of the things that we do. So if America doesn't want to consume the art of people who are liberal minded, there's not going to be a lot of art for them to consume, as simple as that. Because the best artists, most of them are liberal, sorry. There are some country artists, I know they're conservative. I have a lot of country artists
that have friends. And believe me, some of them are liberal, but they don't make a big deal out of it, because they know, it will alienate their base. I'm telling you, most creative people are liberal. And when John Legend says it, you know, it's
true. So you have to ask, what was really the Harlem Renaissance are really about, according to Mr. Henry Louis Gates, Jr. I know you're familiar with him, of course, he says, and in his essay in 1993, essay, the black man's burden that the hall, the Harlem Renaissance was surely as gay as it was black. as gay as it was black, all right, well, but the Renaissance, the Renaissance was an artistic movement, correct? Yes. Okay. All right. So the, so the powers that be
understood. So when we talk about poetry, poetry at the time was very influential. And you know, in those times, music as well, so they understood and as they understand now, it's, I'm trying to get people to really notice that it's the same mindset. Now you have conservatives on one side, which are about business and controlling the business aspect.
And then you have liberals on the other side about controlling art and pushing their agendas through, you know, through art and for the, for the few people, because the ratings were atrocious, who saw the Emmys last night that was produced and broadcast on Fox. So of course, they have to put in, you know, something they want to promote. And they had Tim Allen, who, whose show last man standing was canceled on I
want to say ABC, that he was then picked up by Fox. They made him come out and you could see it, it was the most uncomfortable moment. One of the most uncomfortable moments during the entire show. He's standing there as a known conservative in this liberal den. And it was Yeah, I mean, it was, you could see it right there. What was going on? He was a fish out of water on his own network. And you know, that was May maybe they were trying to, you know,
humiliate him in a way. Who knows? I mean, that's how I receive it as how you're telling you. Oh, so we brought up a key figure. And this whole Harlem Renaissance was Mr. Allen, Leroy Locke. So that's the guy are previously mentioned as being the first black Rhodes Scholar. Adam, can you tell me a little thing, anything about the Rhodes Scholars? Well, the Rhodes Scholarship to me is something that elite kids
get the ones that are being prepped to become leaders. If you look at who's Rhodes Scholar, famously, of course, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, but there's I have a feeling that our current probably liberal candidates, I want to say I can't I know one of them is, at least one of them's a Rhodes, Cory Booker, I think as a Rhodes Scholar, so yes, it's kind of an elitist launching platform. So as liberal leaning, is what you were saying. I would say that that's the indication says yes.
Okay, so let's get into Oxford University Press. Who was Alain Locke? Well, Alain Locke was a philosopher. He was born in 1880s. And he taught at Howard University. He was the first black person to get a PhD in philosophy from Harvard University. He was also the first African American Rhodes
Scholar to Oxford. But the most important thing is that he's often considered the godfather of the Harlem Renaissance, the Black Arts Movement of the 1920s with people like Langston Hughes, Zora Neale Hurston, Claude McKay, a really a bevy of artists and writers who emerged for the first time with the idea that you could write about the black experience creatively and be rewarded for it. And he was a self organized cultural producer, who created the opportunities for these artists.
And he came up with this concept of the new Negro he was already around, but he interpreted as that of being the quintessential American artists who mined the black experience, folklore, the spirituals and turn that into high art. So he was really a person who brought the interpretive context for black artists to be appreciated, really, for the first time. So that's Mr. Allen lop. So, he was very liberal leaning, and I
have a quote from him. It says lot wrote in Oxford, wrote from Oxford in 1910, that the primary aim and obligation of a Rhodes Scholar is to acquire at Oxford and abroad gently a liberal education and to continue subsequently, the road mission of international understanding throughout life in his own country. Therefore, for once more it should be, it should prove impossible for nations to understand one another as nations then they must learn to tolerate tolerate each other as
individuals. So he was a globalist? Well, from the book of knowledge, Wikipedia, I read verbatim the scholarships were founded for two reasons to promote unity within the British Empire, and to strengthen diplomatic ties between Britain and the United States of America. And the US
their second one. Rhodes also bequeath scholarships to German students in the hope that a good understanding between England Germany and the United States of America will secure the peace of the world of course, they went on to all fight each other, just 10 years later, but Okay, so you have this guy, he becomes a Rhodes Scholar, and he finds himself in Harlem putting together this conglomerate of
black artists, which was called the talented 10th. And this is where we're gonna head now is the mind state of two well known black men. We spoke about one W EB Dubois and he was pro town the 10. And what he thought was if you elevate the top 10% of black people, then they will uplift the black race in that way. That was oppositely a See, Mr. Booker T. Washington, Booker T. Washington believe that you built from the ground up, you know, you built a working class of black people in trades and
things of that nature and the USI. One was thinking top down and one was thinking bottom up, just over super oversimplify two sides of the same coin, really two sides of the same coin. So let's listen to W. E. Dubois. Robbery with Bush, Booker T Washington.
One of the first moments where Dubois comes onto the national stage is the brewing controversy between his ideas about racial progress and how to move the race for and the leading African American figure of that time period, the late 19th and early 20th century Booker T. Washington. In the beginning, they agreed on many points about the importance of education and
moving the race forward. It turns out though, that because DuBois was northern born and had access to some of the best schools in New England, and really was encouraged to think broadly, it's been part of his elite graduate education being trained in Berlin working with Max Faber, by contrast to Booker T. Washington, who was self educated, a very gifted and talented man, but he was born as a slave. That fundamental difference certainly shaped their sense of change over time.
The life that Booker T Washington, eventually led as the leading most recognized figure of African American society meant that his expectations for what the White Race was willing to do on behalf of black people were very different than at the boys, you could say DuBois was a utopian idealist in some respects, and Booker T. Washington was a pragmatist, better known as an accommodationist. And so it set
up an ongoing debate. Eventually, Booker T Washington's program sustained the ethos of Jim Crow America because it was about black people working but on white people's terms, it was about a lack of political enfranchisement because black people were subjected to poll taxes and literacy tests and the inability to vote. And it was ultimately about a form of second class citizenship that
was segregated America. In this regard, Dubois did see that real change, fundamental change, living up to the real promises of racial democracy in America, dependent upon agitation dependent upon a graph for power. Okay, so So what you're hearing here is the two different ideologies that was bit what's best for black people to achieve. No success in America. The problem with that is, and
there's always a problem. We've already identified W Ed W. E. B. Dubois came from the same school, as Adam Locke, if I'm not mistaken, W EB DuBois was the first graduate black graduate from Harvard. So he was there. That's the one side the liberal thinking and while we said Alan law was funded by was funded by Rhodes Scholar money and liberal, liberal was thinking, Well, Mr. Booker T. Washington, on the other hand, he was also funded. And let me just give you a list of who
funded Mr. Booker T. Washington. Here we go. Yeah. For one sec here. Here. Okay. Mr. Booker T. Washington's wealthy friends Soros No it's bigger than that. Oh, no. Andrew Carnegie Carnegie. Wow. I'll pre Soros obviously but wow. Yeah, Carnegie. Sure. Oh, William H. Taft. Span John D. Rockefeller. Yeah. The sorrows of their day. So much. So. Ah, I think let's see. Oh, yes, John D. Rockefeller. So these guys were backing the black schools in the
south so much so John D. Rockefeller, in 1902. His father, father and son, greener article here, father son instead of a general education board to sis southern black schools. By the end of the first first decade, the boy had donated more than 33 million naira it is the magic number
towards furthering the goals of blackness. Education. And by 1921, they had donated an additional $96 million for education, which is probably three, three quarters of a billion dollars today, I'd have to look at what it is, but it's a lot of money. That's a lot of money. The reason why you had newly black people, newly freed black people. And you had to have some kind of school of thought to indoctrinate them to is what I
believe, which is the goal of the Illuminati. So you have to highly funded people fighting for the souls of average black average black people and coming from opposite sides of the political spectrum. Yes. Which is all if you want to call them elite, Illuminati, whatever, the term you want to call, but that's, that's where the money was happening. And the ground zero of the battle was Harlem. Oh, the reason why I bring this up is just to say
that it's the same shit today. It's the same crap today, except it's no longer Harlem. It's Twitter. The internet is the editor. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's the internet. And on one side, you have and I don't I heard you in John having an interesting conversation on the show. Maybe two shows ago, a last show how the or elite are into weird. I don't know I'm getting ahead of myself. I'm getting ahead of myself. I don't stop right there. Oh, okay. So
now we gotta go back to an old clip. Mr. Charlemagne talks about the Illuminati, okay, Charlemagne to God. And you notice the last thing I'll say, when you look up the word Illuminati to all it means is the enlightened ones. That's all the definition of Illuminati means it means the enlightened people of our society. So these are the people that are enlightened What's wrong with being enlightened? You know what
I'm saying? Like what's wrong with having knowledge having wisdom and understanding what's wrong with just being an enlightened is the thing in the moment it and that's what it is. The enlightened people Yes, I want to be want to be enlightened people. That's what I read books for to try to be one of the highly enlightened people in my society, like, yes, every day, I strive for knowledge, don't want to be a
better person, like what's wrong with being enlightened like? So. So basically, on the record, Charlemagne is saying that he wants to be in the Illuminati. If there wasn't Illuminati, and it is the enlightened people, why wouldn't I be? Why wouldn't I want to be? Why wouldn't? Why wouldn't I want to be? Well all acknowledges that? Why wouldn't I want to know the world secrets? Why wouldn't? Why wouldn't? Yes, yeah, that's, that's when we played early on episode number two, I think.
Yes. So to explain to you how people get caught up in the so called Illuminati and I don't think Charlemagne will ever make it to the actual, I mean, because we know that's a very exclusive club, but you became become a talking head for the Illuminati. And like, and like you said, Well, I'll play that clip. To make just give context to what you said previously, about as the same crap going on today. Exactly. Those people thought, hey, why, I mean, I'm getting access to knowledge
here. When you talk about guys like Carnegie right? Yeah, you're finding out about the ways of the world especially if you've never been back in those days no internet, you're learning about how the finances work how the political system works. Yeah, it would seem like a book is open right in front of your eyes. No kidding.
Can we agree that there was men were Illuminati? I think I think in my mind they are the Carnegie's in the those people they put into who the man who built America you have some that may have been reptiles as well.
And that's why I felt a low to no agenda show right there. You always get me at the reptile I'm just saying, but but there is the Illuminati do get their thought process from one main source or their it their religious if you want to call that beliefs from one main source, that being Egypt? Yes, that's where they get the the pyramids and, you know, a lot of symbolism that comes from Egypt, the obelisks, all of it. Yes. And one of the main symbols for the Boulais is the Sphinx.
Egypt again, Egypt again, but let's not believe me about the Asia thing. We have a sad Sadhguru he's a Big Time Indian philosopher and he speaks on the Illuminati decoded in Europe. Secret schools were romantic stuff. Even people who are now famous like, like so Kratos, or a Aristotle and these people, they were also part of the secret schools. Why would I make my school secret? Because society is in a mode of persecution of anything that doesn't it does not agree with
persecution. Only this persecution of school becomes a secret school, isn't it? So. So secret school traditions are so much in Europe, because the dogmatic religious beliefs were really suppressing anything, anything that they think is gathering 10 people, they will demolish it, they will kill them. So they ran secret schools in this whatever you are referring to as Illuminati, and later on, it transformed itself
into Freemasons. Some history, I cannot confirm this, some books have been written as to how Freemasonry were started by the Indian Masons who went to Egypt. Yeah, and this is you know, look at the Freemasonry symbolism all very similar. Number 33 is a big number in the in Freemasonry a lot of triangles Yeah, totally. Yeah the geometry even I a horse so all that leads to Egyptian
beliefs. So even I'm just I'm pretty sure you know this, but the listeners may not know this, even the city of Washington DC Oh, it's completely Egyptian iced. Yes. And let's listen to this was put together by I couldn't catch your name. But all the facts that she stayed I have already validated but I couldn't find this clip anywhere other than this source that explains the Egyptian links to DC.
The Washington Monument. This breathtaking tower stands 555 feet high on the National Mall and attracts over 800,000 tourists each year. It's structured as an obelisk, also known as tickets a prominent architecture of the ancient Egyptians. These are blessings were placed in pairs at the entrances of Egyptian temples. The Blessed symbolizes the sun god raw, one of the most prominent and highly worship Egyptian gods. Pharaohs had these monuments built for them
so that they would always be remembered. In the same manner. This monument was built in dedication to America's first president, George Washington, George Washington was a Freemason, part of an international group supposedly established for mutual help and fellowship, often holding elaborate and secret ceremonies. Masonic historians have linked Freemasonry to the values of ancient Egypt and the Masonic
symbols in DC clearly show Egyptian influence. The Scottish Rite Temple is desease main sign of Freemasonry and even more so, Egyptian influence. The entrance is guarded by two sphinx on each side, statues of a Sphinx, a mythical creature were often built to guard important areas such as tombs and temples in Egypt. Yes, yeah, there's a lot more than I mean, there's entire books and movies have been written and shot about this, you know, there's the Masonic the just the way the streets are
laid out. There's a lot of that in DC. Yes, and as she said, The Sphinx were made to guard things. And this is the thought is that the Boulais is to meet the guardians of the kings. So basically, they're the protecting class of their white rulers, against your stand against black people. Well, they stand they stand as a as a hedge between them. So that I mean, that's, you know, that I'm, like I said the word blue, they actually means advisors to the king. And that's why they
chose this the symbolism of the Sphinx, right? Um, I did gloss over one tidbit fact, just to go back and give you something about the so we know WEB DuBois and I know I'm getting kind of out of order here, but I had to share this fact. So we know web Boyce was a member of the NAACP, and NAACP was really started and ran by white people. We established that on a pre Be a show. Yeah. So one of those white founders was Joe a spin
guard. Have you ever heard of him? I have not. Okay. Mr. Joe II spin guard was the first chairman of the board of directors of the NAACP and held that position for many years. The Covenant Spingarn Medal is given yearly by the NAACP and was established in 1914. That sounds all good right? Only one problem. Mr. spearing bar was a spy for the United States, army groups and ope. Yes, you had the head of this NAACP ran by known
spy. He was hired in May of 1980. And given the rank of Major in the Military Intelligence Division, Spingarn ran a small unit undercover agents who were looking for proof of service subversion. He opened over 100,000 pieces of mail a week monitoring black publications. Wow. So that just gives you an idea who's all really over these two groups that we think are for us. And nobody really wants to deviate
from that. But just going back to so that goes to show you that all the groups established for Well, not all let's not say all anything. Naughty 5% of Black groups have been established by white people. Yes. And not white people with good intentions either.
No, it was it was control mechanism, which is not any different from any other group we've pointed out for every other group, but I'm dismissed with specific specifically speaking what affects the group I'm part of. So we've established that the Illuminati their anti Egyptology would they build a whole city than Washington DC based off of Egyptian premise premises. Less listen to the Egyptian DC part two, on 16th Street where the Scottish Rite temple is located.
There are more temples and churches than any other streets on Earth. Ancient Egypt was one of the most spiritual places in the world. The designers of DC were trying to duplicate the energy found in Egypt. walk a few blocks down and there is Meridian Hill Park, and the Egyptian influences are very clear. Within the park, there is a large cascading waterfall, the number 13 The number of steps that line the waterfall represents a spiritual awakening. Looking at the
waterfall from above, you can see the ONC shape is created. It is a symbol for life and can be seen and Egyptian art and architecture. The Potomac River acts as the Nile River, west of the Potomac River is the Arlington Cemetery, where dignitaries, officials and presidents have been buried. Likewise, the west bank of the Nile River is the Valley of the Kings. Note that none of this is a coincidence, from the architecture in the statues to the exact layout of Washington,
DC. Everything was built off of the influence of anxious Egypt, planned out to replicate the amount of power and energy that the Egyptians built an empire out of love how you've just taken me into a Dan Brown novel. This is great. I love it. That's good. So back to the conversation you and John were having. And you You guys made mention that the elite are some of the lead are
into weird sexual practices. Is that Yeah, well, I think that was more based off of our own experience having certainly when I was extremely famous, you get invited to a party. And this case, it was old world, it was in Europe. And you know, like in a huge mansion. I was very young, I was maybe 2021. And, you know, with some incredibly rich people, and they just behave odd. And then all sudden, there's the Prime Minister riding a 10 speed bike through
the living room. I mean, so I don't know about sexual behavior, but it seemed like that would be pretty poss. I haven't seen anything with my own eyes. But look at the Podesta's look at the spirit cooking. There's all kinds of weirdness going on. And I think mainly through boredom, but others would say, to gain power from mystical things that we no longer understand. That's where I lean towards. No, I'm sure I'm sure. So if you can queue it up, queue up the theorem. Do you need it did Ain't
gotta hit, please. All right. So normally, normally only reserved for Marion Williams, but you may use the Theramin. Yes. A Thank you. I am other believe, as many other conspiracy theorist that the elite, as you mentioned, you brought it up. I didn't I didn't lead the witness that they use it to harness some kind of sexual or spiritual power. I have researched this. I have been through this many times. Early, early on no agenda show we talk about it. This is where
reptiles comes from. And there's a lot of evidence that this this was true is true is still happening. And I think where you're going is kind of sad. Because yes, I'm pretty sure that young, very young homeless children are abused by elites for all kinds of crap, maybe just to eat them or drink their blood. I don't know. But there's enough stories about it to make
it certainly believable. And, and one point we have to point out, Jeffrey Epstein had some kind of weird Egyptian monument on his island. Yes, absolutely. Some kind of Temple. Lots of speculation about what it is. Many say, entrance to a tunnel system caves, there's evidence of air inlets that would justify that speculation. Definitely weird. Well, I'm weird or not. It's a Gyptian styled architecture. Yes.
So to come back out of theorem land. I'm going to use a reputable, reputable source to support the allegation I have of the LGBT connection to ancient Egypt. Hello, I'm John Johnston. I'm doing my PhD at the Institute of Archaeology. I'm here today in the pitch Museum of Egyptian archaeology at University College London, to talk a little about LGBT History Month. This is the third occasion now that
the museum has celebrated LGBT History Month. On the first two occasions, we held some special lectures and on this occasion, we've devised a trail of various objects dotted around the museum, which helped to illustrate various aspects of
LGBT history in the ancient world. One of the objects which has been put on display specifically for this month is the is the tale of Horus and Set which is told on a papyrus discovered by Patriot le Hoon, it dates from the 12th dynasty and tells the tale of Horus and Set wrangling over control of Egypt following the death of the goddess Cyrus. After many years of this wrangling set decides to change his his tack and attempts to bed to the god Horus flattering him telling him that
he has beautiful buttocks and muscular thighs. It's particularly fascinating that this oldest recorded chat up line in history actually appears to be a gay chat up line. Nice ass Thanks, dude. So I say all these to say Wow, the elite don't accept people's lifestyles. They accept the fact that their obscure beliefs align with that person's lifestyle. That's that's the end all be all of where I went with this story. Wow, that you know what I'm thinking. Moe, tyu and I are
missing out on something. Was that maybe we're not doing it right. I don't know a bunch of married guys with kids. This is not this seems like we're missing out on all the all the fun stuff all the power every the true mysteries of the world. Well, I'm glad you brought that up. Which brings us to our last set of clips. Because with that power, with that access, comes a dark side. And so this is Dave Chappelle after he when he turned down his $50 million deal. And he went on the run.
Cuz they said he was losing his mind. Dave Chappelle Oprah I'm glad you're here. Everybody wants to know why did you walk away come from $50 million. Well, I wasn't walking away from the money. Yeah. I was walk away from the circumstances. Uh huh. They, they will come in with the newfound plateau. Yeah, it takes a while when you punch through to adjust the atmosphere. It was completely outside of my frame
of reference. I've been in show business since I was 14. And I've heard the stories of what happens and I've seen these kinds of things play out in front of me. When I say when you say you heard the stories, what do you mean? What stories? Would you say before looking around? Karen made $100 million deal. And three months later, she's Olson mysteriously crazy. Oh, my Lawrence pushes through. And he's waving a gun on street screaming.
They're trying to kill me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we hear those stories. And it always happens around a time in your career where it seems as though the crossing over next plateau. Yeah. Yeah, this is well known stories, I would say these days. They're still gossip that Rihanna may be the clean lesbian that everyone has to bow down to. And maybe Beyonce has some of that role. And there's a lot of talk always been a lot of talk about this.
Yeah, the point I'm trying to make is when you take that next step, when you're, you know, tiptoeing into that next what he said the next plateau, right, which is an interesting term to use. There's a cost to it. And we've seen that throughout history. We see that throughout this this whole episode, if you want to call it that, that when these people get to a certain
level, it cost them certain things. Where there is the lady at the beginning, she couldn't really talk about Jasmine, she couldn't really talk about how she really felt because she was taught back about by her alliances, even down to Dave Chappelle. And we got a couple more clips and we're gonna wrap it up here. So David Chappelle, too, would you say you lost your mind? Sort of? No, no, not exactly. Okay. I wasn't crazy, but it's an
incredibly stressful. Yeah. And I felt like, you know, in a lot of instances, I was deliberately being put through stress. Because, you know, when you have data generates money, yeah. People have a vested interest in controlling. Yeah, if you've ever seen Martin Lawrence on Inside the Actor's Studio tell his story. It's even more vivid. It's really even more vivid than, than this. Yeah. And that's okay, too, inside baseball. I always gotta
give you a little bit every time. It's a common thing, that when black men make it in Hollywood, a majority of them had to bend over. Yes. This has been said about Eddie Murphy about Arsenio Hall. I know those for sure. Because I've heard people say it. Even Quincy Jones came out and kind of substantiate it. Oh, ah, a lot of this. I mean, he was he was like, Yeah, this guy was with that guy. And you know, he was this guy was what brought
Marlon Brando and he was throwing names out there. I've heard about Diddy if you hear this all the time. Right. So that's a common thing. And in this third and final clip, Dave Chappelle is going to illustrate how they come at you in Hollywood. The hardest thing to do is to be treated and stuff, especially when everybody's watching. Yes, yes. Show business has to do with compromise. And wearing the mask. You know, when they say,
black folks, we wear that mask. You've worked in that boardroom, it's not that you that you don't walk in the booth and like what's poppin David? Yeah, you got to put that mask on. And you know, it was like we're bilingual. We speak job interview and we speak, we speak around each other, you know, saying, Did you feel like a sellout? I felt like they got me in touch with my inner cone thing stirred them up. When we were doing that sketching at Galle, I felt like
man, I felt like they got they got me. I mean, I'm a conspiracy theorist to a degree. Like when I connect that's that maybe shouldn't be connected. I don't know. But certainly that's like when I see that they put every black man and movies in a dress at some point in Korea and connecting them they're like, Wow, he's brought a dress. This happened to me. I'm gonna move with Martin. Yeah, movies going good. So I walk in a trailer. I'm like, man, what's going wrong trailer because there's a
dress in here. They come in. The writer comes in. I think he's right. He's like they Listen, you got this hilarious thing where Martin sneaking out of jail. So he disguises you as a prostitute. You put this dress on, and how prostitute? Now I'm not doing it. I don't feel comfortable with it. That should have been in a discussion. You don't feel comfortable with it. I mean, it's hilarious bit. All the greats have done it. So well of all the greats Ben and it's kind of hacky, right. You're
right. So why don't we just not do it? Because I don't feel comfortable in a dress. I'll come on date. Let's we got it all set up. We were supposed to shoot every every minute you waste cost this much money. Now the pressure comes in. I'm not I'm not wearing a dress man. I'm funnier than a dress this give me some funny to say. I only wear no dress to be funny. And what am I Milton bear on Ba ba ba ba ba you never go like this.
And then finally it's like ah and he leaves and then like the director comes David really would be great if you wear the dress. Brokeback Mountain in his dress. Well, we're the dress one way this dress. So hopefully illustrated to a point why black people, especially black, heterosexual men, are apprehensive. To the edges, what we view as agenda, some of us majority of us view as an agenda being pushed not by the people, no sales, but from our high. Hope I did that
with this with this with this episode. Well, yes. We've revisited a lot of things that I haven't looked at in years and years and years. I never made the connection between Well, it's show business, yes, LGBT, yes. But wrap that all up into one the influence is coming from above how sexuality plays into that is something I've never even considered. So that was very interesting dive. And that's how we view it. And when you factor in survival
sex. It not only has to do with things of the reason why I brought it out, and it may seem like a weird inclusion into this. But even on a Hollywood level, those guys are looking at it as survival. You know, saying like, I have to survive with my career, so I'll put the dress on. Yeah. You know, um, so it's the same thing. So we have all the things connected. And we and we see these things like Dave said, we connect the dots. Also, to make people do things they're incredibly uncomfortable
with is an outstanding control mechanism. A works in in all cases, certainly when it comes to things around self identity. You know, this is this isn't how many torture programs work. It's the whole idea is to get control of somebody. And then if you want to take it towards the Epstein route, maybe you take a few pictures, let them know, you know, that kind of changes the whole game now, by the way, that is what the black FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover was known for.
So how deep does it all still go, man? Wow. My head is going up. Yes. Okay. How do you want to let this because I can talk with you about this for another eight hours easily. It's mind control. I know that's like the end of the day now. But people what we do here, what you guys do on no agenda is combating the mind control, pointing out the agendas. But at the same time, I will say this, you have to be cautious of how you address people just because they're participating in an
agenda. God THEY DON'T might not even know. Right. You guys brought up and I know you want to wrap here but just one last thing that you brought up on st like two shows ago last show. Are we seeing a widespread MK Ultra program being enacted on people? And l I think that's where you're leading with the trauma trauma thing, but we brought it up here the trauma base and entertainment department I'm about advertising. You know, every everything I'm seeing on the news today is trauma based
mind control. That is what look at Greta Thune Berry, who who looks mind controlled, is being regardless no 16 year old child should be put in this situation under the world spotlight continuously. I mean, without any parents supervision,
it is very disturbing to me, I see the children's March. And I think that's where, where we were talking about it, the Climate March, the climate strike, there was no strike, the children were given permission and escorted for this issue in this don't try to do any other issues don't strike school for that wasn't a strike, everyone got the day off. And they just give him signs and chance. And you know that a good percentage of these children, maybe 30, maybe 40% are on some form of
medication. But that is the definition of what mind control programs have been in the past. MK Ultra being. And I know it's a conspiracy theory, but go ahead. It's real. And it was real. And apparently, it's just now on a bigger scale, and it gets things done. It gets things done. So if I could do that with Greta, in this day and time, why couldn't they do it with the people I listed here? Give me the same effect. The question is, how does Dave Chappelle still exist? How could
he come back? Is he a resisting? is worse two ways you could look at it, why He's resisting a one. He's all in. All in. And he's used to control opposition aspect of it. Well, Moe, I can only speak for myself. And I know you pretty well, by now, to a degree, I'm pretty sure pretty sure neither of us are controlled, which is why we're podcasters. This is why we're not in Comedy Central. This is why we're not on network television. Yes, yes. That's it. Wow. Okay. I don't even know
what we're going to do on the next episode. Because this is this has been great. This has been a lot of historical pieces have been filled in from the I know, growing up in Europe, I didn't have a true American education, more much more European. So I know very little about black history. I think there's a month when I'm supposed to look at it. But that's a joke. No, no.
But this has been phenomenal. To learn this and to see how many parallels there are and how many things you just don't know about where this control is coming from. And it looks like indeed, and maybe this will bring it all the way around to the beginning. And the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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