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What Does Culture Have To Do With Giving?

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How does culture play into the spirit of giving? And how should we think about calling in our believers and finding our super fans?

This is a special episode of a previously recorded keynote session from this year's Monthly Giving Summit.

None other than Dr. Marcus Collins is sharing his incredible expertise on the transformative role of cultural identity in marketing, revealing how small groups like Beatniks, Hippies, and Hipsters grew into influential subcultures.

Discover how aligning your nonprofit's mission with the core beliefs and values of your audience can transform your cause into a widespread movement.

And together, we’ll explore the fascinating interplay between culture and consumer behavior, and how our identities shape the brands we support and the causes we champion.

With his guidance, you’ll identify your personal and organizational beliefs, find your "believers," and build a network of brand evangelists who resonate with your vision.

Every time I hear Marcus speak, I am BLOWN away. I hope you leave this episode even more empowered to create meaningful change and amplify your organization's impact!

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Cultural Beliefs and Market Evangelism

Speaker 1

What do you believe ? What is your cultural outlook on the world for you , your organization , your company , your institution ? You Then go find the believers who sees the world the way you do ? And then , once you find the believers , go , preach the gospel . Preach the gospel how you see the world and say , in a way , they go , finally , someone said it .

And then they use your company , your organization , your brand , your institution to communicate their identity , to express how they see the world , and people will start to evangelize on your behalf and the behaviors that are associated with that evangelism will create the reverberation that goes from niche to normal .

Speaker 2

Hey , there , you're listening to the Missions to Movements podcast and I'm your host , Dana Snyder , digital strategist for nonprofits and founder and CEO of Positive Equations . This show highlights the digital strategies of organizations making a positive impact in the world . Ready to learn the latest trends , actionable tips and the real stories from behind the feed ?

Let's transform your mission into a movement . What you're about to hear today in this episode could change everything about how you think about fundraising and marketing for your organization .

This is going to be a special episode of a previously recorded keynote session from this year's Monthly Giving Summit with Dr Marcus Collins , where he talked about tapping into the network of influence . How does culture play into the spirit of giving and how should we think about calling in our believers and finding our super fans ?

With that said , I'm going to go ahead and introduce this segment from the Monthly Giving Summit with Dr Marcus Collins . Welcome , the stage is yours .

Speaker 1

Thank you so very much for having me . I'm so excited to be here . What an amazing occasion to be here . So I'm going to fire up some slides and let's jump into it . So I'm Marcus and I'm really excited to be here .

But since I don't have a lot of time and we're in a sacred space , let's get started , and I want to take you back to a time that one would say was simpler . At the very least , technology wasn't as robust and pervasive as it is today . Things were just simpler . Out of this time , birthed a group of people in the 1950s that we know as the beatniks .

The beatniks they had a point of view about the world . They believed in egalitarianism , they believed in self-expression , they believed in pushing against conformity , they believed in challenging or usurping and subverting what we know as capitalism . And out of these beatniks , shortly thereafter , 1960s , we got hippies .

These are sort of the children of the beatniks , if you will . They too believed in egalitarianism , self-expression , pushing against conformity , challenging the trappings of capitalism . And this was a small little group of people , very small group of people , but over time they began to grow . In 1965 , a thousand prototypical hippies lived in the Bay Area .

10,000 grew to join each other on what they call the trip festival , organized by the original hippies , the Beats , of course , and over time , thousands of hippies descended on the Hayden Ashbury corner of San Francisco .

In fact , 15,000 self-identifying hippies lived in this area , 20,000 of them attended the Human being event , 100,000 attended the Summer of Love Festival in San Francisco , and the apex of it all , we know , is Woodstock . Over half a million hippies descended in upstate New York to participate in this festival .

In fact , artists came for free to perform at this festival because they , too , believed in the ideologies , the ethos of what it means to be a hippie . And by the 1970s , there were millions of people who adopted the characteristics , the ideas of what it means to be a hippie . Who adopted the characteristics , the ideas of what it means to be a hippie ?

What started as a small little group of people grew over a 10-year period to become a massive collection of folks . Now , of course , we know , by the 1980s , hippies took off their flower aesthetic and picked up power suits to become yuppies , but we would see a glimmer of them 20 years later , right around 2008 .

We found ourselves in the throes of a recession here . Things were bad , things were terrible , in fact , in this country . But the recession didn't give us one gift , and that gift was the urban hipster . The urban hipster , we know that . We see them Right Ironic facial hair , man buns , lots of plaid suspenders . And , oh , what were these folks ?

What was their alcoholic beer brand of choice ? Of course PBR , pbr . And why PBR ? There's nothing unique about PBR , nothing unique about its hops , nothing unique about its filtration system that made it just right for hipsters .

However , hipsters , these people who , like their predecessors , hippies , like their predecessors , the Beats , believed in egalitarianism , self-expression . They believed in challenging conformity , they believed in subverting the trappings of capitalism . And these collections of people held these beliefs , and so did PBR .

Pbr also believed in egalitarianism , self-expression , individualism , challenging the conventions of capitalism . And , of course , everywhere you saw hipsters , you definitely saw some PBR . It was sort of a badge of identity . So what's the point ? Well , why does this matter ?

Well , just like the Beats and the Hippies , what started as a small group of people that we know as hipsters grew PBR's business Hockey Stick Growth . Not only that , they turned PBR , this small little beer brand , turned it into a billion-dollar business at the time when the categories flat and the leading competitors were declining .

This is Superman powerful stuff here . These little groups of people that no one was paying mind to collectively were able to catalyze a contagious gravitational pull that only brought people together but ultimately drove them to consume , not because of what the brand was , but because of who these people are . And so is the same with us today .

Where we spend our money , where we spend our time , where we spend our attention , where we spend our social capital have less to do with what the things are and everything to do with who we are and who are we . After all , we are our identity , the monikers that we use to describe ourselves .

These are the labels that we use to carve out the place that we occupy in the social world . And all this complexity , all this intersectionality , all of this contradiction , right Like , there's individual reference I'm a professor . It's a part of my identity . There are group references I'm in a fraternity Phi , beta , sigma . It's a part of my identity .

There are abstract references I'm a father to little girls , george and Ivy . That's a part of my identity . And these things make up who I am , not the boxes that we put people in Age , race , gender , household , income , geography . These things are labels that are meaningless , these things that we affix to who people are .

We have to refer to them as demographics , even generationalism Gen Z , gen Alpha . No one talks about Gen X , no one cares about us . But the idea here is that we affix labels to people and while these labels are easily accessible , they're easily observable , they don't represent what's actually happening on the inside .

You can affix a label to anything , but it doesn't necessarily capture what's on the inside unless we understand who people truly are . And that's important , because who we are ultimately informs how we see the world , the beliefs and ideologies that we hold right .

That's why , for some a cow is leather , for others it's a deity , for some it's dinner , for some a rug is decor , for some it's a souvenir , for others it's a place of worship . Which one is it ? It's all of those things based on who we are and how we see the world . And because we see the world the way we do , we navigate life accordingly .

The artifacts that we don , the behaviors that are normative , the languages that we use , these become outward expressions of inward beliefs , much like we saw with hipsters and their aesthetic and the way they talk and how they behave . You know , I'm a Collins . We believe family and church come first . Therefore , sunday mornings , I'm in the church sanctuary .

If not , I get a passive , aggressive call from my mother in the afternoon how was your morning , marcus ? That's how she gets down .

Now there are no stone tablets that I sign in blood saying that I'm going to go to church , but I do that because that's just what we do , and every single identity marker by which we subscribe our identity , there are expectations of what people like us do . I think of it this way . I am a . We believe this . Therefore , I , I am a Collins .

We believe family for church converse . Therefore , sunday mornings , I'm in the church sanctuary . Why ? Because that's just what we do , and the same thing goes for you and everyone else that occupies this phenomenal social world in which we reside . Because of who we are , we see the world a certain way and , as a result , we behave a certain way .

The world a certain way and , as a result , we behave a certain way . Think of it this way which Alex is more committed to running ? Alex who is a Gen Z demographic , alex who likes to run , a psychographic , or Alex who is a runner ? Clearly , it's the latter . It's Alex who is a runner .

That's the Alex that gets up in the morning and run , even if she's tired , even if he's had a long day , even if they just don't want to do it . That's the Alex that runs . Why ? Because it's who they are , the demographics that we use to describe people .

It's the hardware , it's the veneer of who we are age , race , gender but it's our identity , our beliefs and ideologies that ultimately govern how we show up in the world , how we move , where we spend our time , our effort , our attention , our energy and our dollars . And because of who we are , we see the world a certain way .

And because we see the world a certain way , we navigate life a certain way , and then we express ourselves through shared work . What the literature refers to as cultural production is art , literature , film , television , tv , podcasts , poetry , pottery , pottery , and brands and branded products like PBR for hipsters .

I grew up watching Spike Lee movies , listening to hip hop , watching the Cosby show , before we knew he was a dirtbag . Don't judge me . It's because of these works that I have the perspectives that I have . It's because of Spike Lee that I have the ideas of race

Power of Culture in Marketing

relations that I have . It's because of hip Lee that I have the ideas of race relations that I have . It's because of hip hop that I have a certain aesthetic of what is cool . It's because of the Cosby Show and my parents that I have an idea of what it means to be good parents .

These works become ways by which we socialize characteristics among the community , and they help us stimulate and catalyze what people like us ought to do , based on how we make meaning , not because of what these things are , but because of who we are .

Because of who we are , we see the world a certain way , and because we see the world a certain way , we navigate life accordingly . Then we express ourselves through shared work .

The alchemy of these systems , or systems of systems , make up our culture , what Emile Durkheim , one of the founding fathers of sociology , would define as the system of conventions and expectations that demarcate who we are and govern what people like us do . Now , why is that important ? Why is that worth talking about a monthly giving summit ?

Speaker 2

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Speaker 1

Why is that worth even bringing up ? Because culture influences the consumer's social needs , which , in turn , is satisfied by the use and ownership of innovative products . We consume things not because of what they are , but because of who we are .

Should we not wonder why people were in droves buying a water bottle that hadn't changed its look or aesthetic , and then they were able to buy a bottle of water in seven years and the brand's been around for a hundred years plus are now just getting interest ? It wasn't because of the water bottle Stanley , it was because of us people .

We choose brands that align with our identity , projects Based on who we are and what we believe . We choose the brands that align with that Based on our ethnicity , our nationality , our religion , our corporate organizations , our social communities and our consumption groups .

We consume as a way to project who we are , and culture moves forward on the basis of one simple question Do people like me do something like this ? The answer is yes , we do it . The answer is no , we don't .

We make that decision hundreds , if not thousands , of times a day , whether we're aware of it or not , and that's superman powerful stuff when you think about the business that we as a community are in Getting people to move , getting people to give .

In fact , I would go as far as to say that consumption , and giving at its core , is a cultural act what we wear , how we style ourselves , how we style our hair , of course , if you have it , the car you drive , where you work , where you went to school , who you date , who you marry , if you marry , where you vacation , where you bury the dead , if you

bury the dead , how you give , if you give these things are culturally constructed , based on who we are and how we see the world . And you hear that and go . Yeah , of course that's obvious .

But I tell you , the obvious typically isn't obvious until someone points it out to you , because the truth of the matter is that we go through life thinking that we have agency .

We go through life thinking that we wake up in the morning and make the decisions that we make , that we choose the clothes that we're going to wear and what we're going to eat and where we're going to go and what we're going to do .

But the truth of the matter is that we only have an illusion of agency , that our decisions are being negotiated and constructed by other people our people and to maintain our status as good standing members among our communities , our teams , our organizations , our families , our sororities , our fraternities , our congregations , our people .

To maintain good standing status , we act accordingly . Aristotle said it best we are social animals by nature . We're just looking to crash into each other . Evolutionary anthropologists were arguing that that's how we're able to evolve , was our ability to socialize and cooperate .

And that happens by observing other people and mimicking them as a way to foster social solidarity . Emile Durkheim referred to this as collective effervescence , and oh , I love that phrase . He says that people who subscribe to the same culture act in concert in an effort to promote social solidarity .

Alex Pentland would say that our behaviors can be predicted by the exposure to example behavior of other people . We saw this just as recently on a big screen on a massive stage at the Olympics . We observe other people and get a sense of what we ought to do . That is just how we're wired . Social groups are important to us .

They serve to tell us who we are , identity , what to think , cognitions , how to behave , a way of life , and the more we value the social group , the more willing we are to be influenced by it .

This is unbelievably powerful If we want to get people to move , if we want to get people to take action , we start by appealing to ideologies and beliefs based on their cultural subscription . And when that happens , something magical occurs . Something magical happens we catalyze network effects .

Now , look , I'm a professor , so I'm going to get a little professorial for you just for a moment . Just bear with me for a moment . This is known as the Gaussian curve . Carl Gauss was a German mathematician that postulated this idea in the 1800s . This is the most accurate depiction by which value propagates into a population .

You probably know this more colloquially as the bell curve , or for the statisticians out there , it's the normal curve . And what do we know about the normal curve ? The more in the middle you are , the more normal you are .

When we think about a population of people , there are social pressures pushing on you , telling you to be normal , dress like this , act like this , talk like this . Give to these places those social pressures . That's culture , sort of a measurement of normality . And the more in the middle you are , the more normal you are . In fact , we'd call that popular culture .

And what we do as marketers , as people who try to get people to move , we appeal to the middle . We blast as many people as possible , hoping to reach 20% of them and prayerfully , god willing , inshallah , we convert 0.012% of them . But that is not only wasteful , it's not effective . It's efficient but not effective .

And when I look at this I go well , that's popular culture . What's happening over there ? Well , that's subculture . And what do we know about the relationship between subculture and popular culture ? Everything that is popular today was once weird .

Everything that's part of the popular culture today was once subcultural and it propagated into the population to become normal , or rather , we got adopted into the population to become normal 20 years ago . If you're into comic books , this was you . Now , the movies we watch the most across the globe come from comic books 20 years ago .

If you're into collectibles , this was you . Now , collectibles are cool 20 years ago . If you were into gaming , this was you . Failure to launch limiting in mama's basement . Now , gaming is cool . It's a multi-billion dollar industry . When we focus on people who are of the same cultural ilk , people who see the world similarly , it creates and catalyzes those

Building Cultural Brand Evangelism

people to help bring other people to the fold , creating network effects . And this changes our traditional approach to marketing . Instead of brands communicating their value proposition through ads my razor's sharper , my battery lasts longer , my car goes faster , my shampoo will give you body , whatever that means .

I don't even know what that means If your hair has body . I'm not sure what that means at all . Something different happens when brands activate a community of people who see the world similarly .

Those people not only consume , but they use the brand to communicate their identity , to signal who they are , and in doing so it propagates into the population , and technology that we have at our disposal helps make that happen faster and more effective and efficient than ever before , thanks to social media , social networking platforms .

Rather , chris Aksafalo says it this way when a small group of people , again acting in concert , displaying similar visible symptoms , an epidemic is spread along social network ties and the emotional contagion , the emotional contagion in large groups , become quickly , emotionally synchronized . This couldn't be more powerful , especially for you .

We are trying to get people to give . We're trying to get people to give in a periodic , habitual , reoccurring way . Marketing won't get you there alone . Marketing is effective , but people trust people more than any form of marketing , communication , television , print out of home radio .

In fact , people trust strangers more than they trust marketers , which should be sobering for anybody who identifies as a market here . People trust people .

More importantly , people trust their people , our people , and when things become normalized among people like me , they become ritualized and people begin to act in concert in an effort to promote social solidarity among themselves , to be a good standing citizen . Culture moves forward on the basis of one simple question Do people like me do something like this ?

The answer is yes , we do it . The answer is no , we don't . I tithe because people like me do something like this . I give to sink funds . Because people like me do something like this . It is expected of people like me and because that is how I self-identify , I behave accordingly because that's where my beliefs lies . So what does that mean for you ?

You have to first identify what do you believe ? What is your cultural outlook on the world for you , your organization , your company , your institution ? You Then go find the believers . Who sees the world the way you do ? And then , once you find the believers , go preach the gospel .

And then , once you find the believers , go preach the gospel , preach the gospel , how you see the world and say , in a way , they go , finally , someone said it .

And then they use your company , your organization , your brand , your institution to communicate their identity , to express how they see the world , and people will start to evangelize on your behalf , and the behaviors that are associated with that evangelism will create the reverberation that goes from niche to normal .

I know that seems obvious , but I tell you the obvious isn't obvious to someone pointed out to you . I hope this is helpful . At the very least , I hope this forces you to see the world differently , because if we change the way we see the world , the world will manifest differently .

Look , I study culture and its influence and impact on human behavior , and the things that we've talked about today are informed by everything I've done as a practitioner and everything that the literature has told us about how people work , and my hope , my prayer , is that you find this helpful and ultimately help you , help other people give In the spirit of giving

. If you would be so kind , take a shot of the QR code here and let me know what you think , so that I , too , can be better at giving in communities like this that I'm so grateful to be a part of . Thank you very , very , very much .

Speaker 2

Marcus , you rocked it . I agree with Jay . He just said my dude . Hell of a start to the event I am . Every time that I get to hear you talk , I'm always blown away . Everyone , if you are like a reader , enjoy . Is it available on audio yet , marcus ?

Speaker 1

Oh , yes , absolutely .

Speaker 2

Oh , yes , okay , I'm also somebody who enjoys it while I'm running listening to books . If you're a VIP ticket holder , no matter when you sign up to VIP ticket , we are going to be sending like 25 , 35 , 40 of these that are going to be sent out randomly . But also his book is available Amazon . All the good places .

Dr Marcus Collins , thank you for being here .

Speaker 1

Thank you , thank you .

Speaker 2

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