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How PHCC Closed the Communications Gap for Thousands of Frontline Workers with Carrie Fox

May 22, 202431 minEp. 128
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Episode description

Today’s incredible case study is all about the power of LISTENING, with the guiding force behind Mission Partners, Carrie Fox.

First, we’re going back in time as Carrie reveals the rebranding genesis of the Public Health Communications Collaborative (PHCC) during the pandemic, shifting from a COVID-19 centric initiative to a broad-based community platform.

We’re covering all things public health messaging and tales from the trenches—the challenges they faced, campaigns led, and how they built trust and inspiration, bridging divides and bridging gaps.

We also reflect on a national survey Carrie orchestrated that got over 600 responses from just two questions, spotlighting an urgent need for digital proficiency.

Tune in to discover how Canva Pro and Hemingway App can help you craft messages that resonate with diverse audiences, and how strategically using LinkedIn’s boosted messaging can amplify your reach.

You’re going to have SO many takeaways as we shed light on the essence of simplicity and the courage to embrace new challenges.

Resources & Links

Learn more about Mission Partners on their
website and tune in to the Mission Forward podcast.

Connect with Carrie on
LinkedIn or email her at carrie@mission.partners. You can also learn more about her book, More Than Words: Communication Practices of Courageous Leaders.

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Transcript

Transforming Public Health Communications Collaborative

Speaker 1

A few years in to the Public Health Communications Collaborative , we decided we were going to do a bit of a rebrand right . We had become known , very strongly entrusted in the sector , as this COVID response tool and we realized we could be more than that .

And so we started listening again to those public health communicators who were using the tool and we realized public health communications collaborative that was a word that was designed to talk about the funders who came together . Right , the funders were the collaborative . The community saw themselves as the collaborative . Anyone who opts in and engages with PHCC .

They're not just getting information , but they can also contribute information . It's a community .

Speaker 2

And that's really a piece that many communicators felt was missing . This show highlights the digital strategies of organizations making a positive impact in the world . Ready to learn the latest trends , actionable tips and the real stories from behind the feed . Let's transform your mission into a movement .

Speaker 3

Hello , hello , welcome back to another episode of the Missions to Movements podcast . I am your friendly host , dana Snyder , and I am very excited to have Keri Fox on the episode with me today . Keri and I worked together moons ago .

It feels like when I was first starting my business and realized we both started our businesses the current , existing ones in 2017 , both of us , which is wild .

She is the founder and CEO of Mission Partners , a women-owned strategic communications firm and certified B Corp , which is awesome that guides nonprofits , foundations and socially responsible corps in realizing their greatest social impact .

She focuses on issues of community , from social justice , sustainability , children's rights , higher education you name it , and this is pretty cool .

She serves as the creative visionary behind a nationwide campaign to transform the foster care system for young people aging out of care , and was the lead comm strategist behind a 10 million prize competition aimed at advancing global technology for more fuel efficient vehicles .

And I think maybe my favorite thing about your bio is this last part that she is the author of more than words , communication , practices of courageous leaders and adventures in kindness , which she wrote with her 10 year old daughter , sophia , which I bought for my niece , and we did like your workshop exercise together , which is so fun .

Carrie , I'm so excited to have you .

Speaker 1

Amazing . Thank you , dana . How fun it is to be with you . I I feel like we've known each other for so many years and I look to you often for inspiration , this podcast being a wonderful source of that inspiration . So thanks for having me today .

Speaker 3

Thank you . I was like I feel like you're my mentor , so that means so much to hear that from you , thank you . And we met actually , didn't we meet through Carol Cohn's Purpose Collaborative ?

Yeah , so context , carol Cohn is like the godmother of like purpose is what I like to call her , and when I was starting my business , I was looking for groups to learn from and that were in the social impact space , and a friend of mine was also part of this group called the Purpose Collaborative , which now is I don't even know how many 40 plus 50 plus

organizations globally , and there's calls once a month . We've had conferences together and it's really just shared leadership and we peer share on things that we're learning in the space and collaborate .

And so I've been lucky and fortunate to work with Carrie on a few of her client projects , and obviously this show is all about case studies and breaking down incredible ones within the social impact nonprofit sector , and I was like , oh my gosh , I know Carrie has hundreds of these case studies , and so I was so excited when you were willing to come on and

share one today .

Speaker 1

So happy to be here . I love that you brought Carol in right at the top . She is indeed the godmother of purpose and we just launched our season nine of our podcast and Carol is our first guest and she gives this wonderful overview of this 2024 year that we are in

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and how to navigate through it . So , knowing that we're halfway through the year , almost at this point , it's a great conversation to go check out .

Speaker 3

Fun . Okay , did you say what's the name of the podcast Mission Forward , mission Forward . Okay , everyone go check it out . That is so exciting . Yeah , carol's a hoot too to listen to , so I'm sure she's sharing all the good stuff in there .

Speaker 2

Amazing .

Speaker 3

Okay , so I want to dive right into the case study that we're here to talk about . There's an election year upon us , and so I really thought that the topic of the case study today would be interesting , because it's very timely to be talking about a campaign that could be on an issue that could be sensitive , that wants all parties to move forward on .

And I know you're going to take us back a few years now to COVID , when you were working with a client . So what was the client's challenge that you were presented with ?

Speaker 1

Yeah , oh , my dear , what was not the client's challenge ? I mean , I'm going to take you back to our last major election cycle , 2020 , right , when we had a few other things going on in our world too , covid-19 being the major issue and crisis of the day .

So the client we were working with is an organization called the Public Health Communications Collaborative Big name there , so I'll call them PHCC Public Health Communications Collaborative and they came together at a time when they were realizing that COVID-19 was overwhelming . How we understood what public health is and , honestly , what value it delivers .

Right , we were all , every single one of us , regardless of where we lived and what our background was and what education we had . We were equally confused about the moment we were in and how to make sense of the science , the competing information , what was true , what wasn't , misinformation , disinformation .

We were being pushed out so many different messages on an intraday basis , right , and so this organization it actually was a group of foundations who came together and they recognized this issue that public health communicators , the tens of thousands of public health communicators who are on the front lines of any given community , whether that be a formal public health

official or that be a school principal right . Anyone who's serving in a public facing role where they need to communicate information about public health were confused .

They were sending mixed messages , they were trying to make sense of really complicated CDC data , and so what that was leaving is cities and communities and individuals confused , not sure what to believe , not sure who to trust , which also led to fear .

It led to a lot of fear , yes , and you remember there were all of these campaigns that came out around trying to get people comfortable with the vaccine , being able to trust the vaccine .

Speaker 3

Well , a lot of that came back to how our public health system was working or , at the time , not working very well , I also remember a lot of campaigns , which seems so funny now , thinking about washing our hands , yes , and the education around how to wash your hands , which , if you really think about it , is like what we had to explain , something that we've

been doing forever . Right , but was it good enough ? Again , fear , right . I remember so many videos that were with kids showing what happens when you put soap on and how it retracts . I mean just wild , wild time .

Speaker 1

It like gives me chills actually , dana , thinking back to it right , like because we were all scared during those days how to sneeze .

Speaker 3

Like , here's a lesson on how to sneeze and the fear of like did you have your mask high enough on your nose ?

Also , the judgment that we had during that time with people and I was in Los Angeles at the time which was , oh my goodness I mean , there was people wearing full on hazmat suits in the grocery store and then we moved to Atlanta , to Georgia , in June of 2020 . So it was a really interesting and we drove across the country and it was so interesting .

Talking about communication , we drove through so many different states and , of course , that's part of the conversation . You're seeing how everybody's dealing with these different , how they're communicating it so differently . So sorry , I just had to like no , you're so right .

Speaker 1

And I hope we're not giving your audience PTSD , because it's hard to go back there right , like it is really hard to remember those days and yet it's really important to remember those days because that's a big part of how we've been able to get to where we are right now . But I'm so glad you did that , because you visualized that so well .

Right , that's the way the general public was feeling . So just think for a minute , if that's the way the general public , you and I were feeling , what the frontline public health communicator was feeling .

Right , those who are in the position to have to communicate this really complicated , science-based messaging , taking federal guidelines and trying to figure out how to communicate it to me and you . Well , the messages were literally all over the place .

So this group , public Health Communications Collaborative , comes together and says we need to find a better way to solve the communications gap . We need to equip public health communicators so they don't all leave their jobs tomorrow .

Right , we need them more than ever right now , but we need to also help them close the gap , because we understand that most of them have never been trained as communicators . They're not professional communicators , right ? And yet that was the role that they were in . So we started in 2020 . We actually still work with this organization today .

They do a lot more than pure COVID messaging at this point , since we are past the worst of that pandemic , but we serve as the kind of back of the house communications agency that supports tens of thousands of public health departments and communicators in making sure they all have consistent messages and tools to push out to their community , and so what I want to

talk a little bit about today is what that did for those folks in that moment , what we learned . We did a lot of research for where their biggest gaps were and how , ultimately , it became a case study in trust building . So this is well . Again , public health is the frame .

My hope is that your audience can hear this as applicable to any issue where you need to find a way to bridge divides and bridge gaps for trust .

Speaker 3

Yes , absolutely . I love that . And so when you started to do your research , I guess , was there a strategy or a plan in place when you started to do your research , like a hypothesis about what we're going to need to solve here with the comms , or did you really look to the research to guide that in the data ?

Speaker 1

That's a great question . We had a sense that it was a communications issue , in part because of some things that had been published nationally that we were tracking right .

The reality is , before COVID it was known that the public health system had a communications problem and in fact there were some pieces where the former CDC director , rochelle Walensky , went on the record and she talked about some of the issues that the system was facing .

And so , if I can just go back there for a minute , she had this Washington Post editorial where she said the system of communication isn't working , it's fragmented , it's marginalized right ? So she knew that the system itself was broken and that was part of our then theory of change .

Right , if we know the system itself is broken , we can't go out and fix that right . The system's level change is going to be bigger than what we can do . But if you look one layer down of what's amplifying the brokenness , it comes down to communications .

So a lot of our research focused in on engaging directly with those public health communicators to understand what they felt like they had , you know , in their bag of tricks that they could pull on and where they felt like the gaps were biggest . And there were two key findings I'm going to share with you .

So the first part is actually back from September 2021 to January 2022 . And what we knew about the way public health workers and communicators were feeling in that moment . More than half of them were reporting symptoms of PTSD . One in five said their mental health was fair or poor . Oh , geez .

Many public health workers , especially the executives , reported experiencing bullying , threats and harassment . Right , they were on the line and their communities were pushing against them . Yeah , and more than one in four said that they were considering leaving their jobs .

So here we are , right , this entire sector of employees that we need , who are all like maybe I'm out , right , maybe I can't manage the complexity of the moment we're in .

And so we started to think what could be a way that we could actually support the public health communicators , bolster their efforts , close gaps where they have them , train them where they knew they needed to be trained , and basically understand and acknowledge that there's only so much the government system was going to be able to do for the public health

communicators in that moment . So enter PHCC right . These four organizations CDC Foundation , de Beaumont Foundation actually at the time it was three and Trust for America's Health came together and said you know what we're going to provide ?

Unbiased communication , support about how to communicate through this time , literally daily answers to tough questions , resources that you can download and share across your digital platforms . Talking points , tools , webinars , everything you need to make sure that you feel good and well in your position and that you can communicate effectively with your constituents .

That was the basis of it , and I'll get into it more , but that's really why this group of foundations came together .

Speaker 3

Wow , I mean , what statistics I mean . I'm sure the pressure was unparalleled to even think about . So , when they had all these resources and these tools , how were they reaching all of the healthcare workers so that they would be able to ? I'm putting my marketing lens on right .

How would they share all of these resources or let them know that they are there for them to have ?

Speaker 1

Yeah , this is the beauty of digital . So it started first with two partnerships . So they reached out to the two largest associations of public health employees and used their databases to reach out to them .

So there were emails very regular emails that were going out , but there were also intraday many , many communications that were going out across Facebook , twitter , instagram , linkedin to engage public health employees who were already online trying to make sense of the latest news that was coming out .

And so we were meeting them where they were on those social platforms , having them engage and opt in to our own list , and so , literally , we went from zero to over 30,000 people on our mailing list in a fairly short time , because people were looking for this information , they were looking for a trusted resource .

Speaker 3

Was there any channel that you saw the best or that people were more so than others ?

Speaker 1

So it's interesting . Different materials have had different reactions , but overall LinkedIn has been the strongest and so we've continued to lean in on engaging people on LinkedIn . We do a lot of boosted messaging on LinkedIn .

We know that people are there in a professional setting looking to close skills gaps , and so we meet them right there when they're looking to figure out how do I take a course to figure out , how do I take a course on plain language , or how do I take a course on bridging or tough messaging or media training , whatever it is . We meet them where they are .

We are also on all of the other channels , but the messaging looks very different there and the tools look different there . So there's a lot more kind of digestible nuggets of information . You know , five tips for a healthy , happy summer . You're going to find that kind of stuff on Facebook and Twitter and that's an easy reshare right to their entire network .

Speaker 3

Right , which makes sense . This is something that I talk about . A lot is platform specific content . So thinking about what is somebody going to this channel looking for ? The nature of how we interact with Instagram is very different than what we're going to interact and how we're going to engage on LinkedIn or YouTube right or Facebook .

So thinking about your content when you're creating it is key so that people will actually engage with it and do the thing that you want them to do . There was an organization I was recently talking to where I was like just because you post something on Instagram doesn't mean you have to get them to always click a link in a bio .

It could just be to start a discussion within the actual post and have a bunch of comments . And that's the point and that's the reason of that piece of content .

Was the idea and the hope to build that list , to then continue to educate or what was their hope through the distribution of all the content and , obviously , to make people feel like they are having a sense of educated information so that they can feel confident in what they're sharing .

Speaker 1

Yeah , it's a great question . It was twofold . One was to close the skills gap . So that's really where we realized going to LinkedIn can meet people where they were and provide trainings and webinars , and people could opt in . So that's why we wanted them to come onto our list because we could then communicate proactively with them .

The other piece was how do we make sure that we are creating pass-through materials that literally anyone who's working in public health at any level comes back to ? That idea Could be a formal public health department official , or it could be a community leader in a small organization that they could literally download and share and pass along the information .

So we understood that some of those folks might not opt in to our community , but they could still have access to the tool that could extend the life of this important message .

But , yeah , ultimately now you know they have an enormous , strong , dedicated community of public health communicators all over the country who are regularly attending monthly webinars , coming together to share ideas , sharing case studies among

Public Health Sector Survey Findings

themselves of what works and what doesn't .

Dana , that we learned we were solving for and this was a huge aha in this process A few years in to the Public Health Communications Collaborative we decided we were going to do a bit of a rebrand right , we had become known , very strongly entrusted in the sector , as this COVID response tool and we realized we could be more than that , and so we started

listening again to those public health communicators who were using the tool and we , not too long ago actually , we changed our branding to acknowledge that , that anyone who opts in and engages with PHCC they're not just getting information , but they can also contribute information . It's a community , and that's really a piece that many communicators felt was missing .

Speaker 3

So I want to talk about this a little bit , about what it is now and what it started as . How did that transition happen for that rebrand ? So you started as sending out the resources they were received , and then what was the ? I guess , to go back a little bit , what was the results ?

Was there a new survey done for how people were feeling and how they felt after receiving the materials ? And then I want to get to like where it is now .

Speaker 1

There was there's been a lot of listening on this project . So we were coming up to the two year anniversary of COVID-19 . We had released dozens of resources and tools and webinars and we were starting to see the light beyond the tunnel of COVID and realized we could look beyond what the next phase of PHCC could be . So we conducted a national survey .

We had about 600 responses from 51 states and territories . We heard from commissioners , public health officials , community health workers , contact tracers , educators , nurses , right Like the whole gamut of whoever is in the public health sector , and we made it really simple . The topic of the survey was two years , two questions , two minutes of your time . Love it .

Speaker 3

Okay , I was going to ask about this because it's so hard to get survey responses .

Speaker 1

Yeah , yeah , two years , two questions , two minutes of your time . That was it , and we made sure it was two minutes or actually less , and we wanted to figure out , two years in , what remained the biggest gaps that people had . You're going to love the first one Digital savvy .

Right , people really felt like they were having trouble creating graphics and videos , hosting virtual events , using social platforms . They needed the skills to close the gap . Many people literally said if I only had access to Canva Pro , things would be so much easier . Right , like we were really realizing this very practical need was on digital savvy .

And then after that , we started to hear questions around I don't understand plain language . How do I make really complicated topics easier to understand and accessible for many different languages and backgrounds ? Crisis communications , risk 101 , media and talking points , countering misinformation right , there were basically top six .

So we zeroed in on that , dana , and then we realized that the future of PHCC could be built around this set of needs .

And so now , everything we do , the webinars we do , the trainings we do they don't just provide that emergency response messaging , they respond to what the sector needed , which was these closing the digital gap , closing the plain language gap , et cetera .

Speaker 3

Amazing . That is so cool . I want to say from . I just found out like a little tool trick here that is digital making sure that your language is simple . This is probably something that you guys might've realized in your studies .

But for marketing language for websites , the average grade level that you want something to be is , I believe , like fifth grade , fourth or fifth grade , and there's a tool called Hemingway appcom . I just learned about this and it's free . There's a free version and there's a paid version .

But you can put in your website language or whatever copy you have and it essentially gives you a grade and it says that your language is eighth grade and it like will highlight words for you too . And it sounds silly because you feel like you're like am I dumbing this down ?

And it's no , it's just , it's just making it easy to read and to understand for everyone that might come in contact with your brand .

And what's interesting is I was just listening to a speaker who said she put in which is ironic , put in one of Obama's scripts from a presentation he gave and it was I think it was like 11th grade and to reach the mass demographic of Americans , you really want it to be that fifth grade level and so it's interesting .

So , anyways , hemingway app is a great example where , if you're looking to do some of this broad education and not only

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I don't want it to be thought about as dumbing it down , but it just makes it easier and quicker to comprehend . Naturally , so , as you just talked about that with comms , I thought that was an interesting little .

Speaker 1

It is . Yeah , Hemingway is a great tool . There's also a free embed inside Microsoft Office that you can turn on that does the same thing . Grammarly has a similar tool and shout out to where we actually send many of the mission partners team is to .

The Center for Plain Language has wonderful classes and resources on how to not just grade your language but learn from the beginning how to apply best practices of plain language , them beginning how to apply best practices of plain language , awesome , awesome .

Speaker 3

So now , years later , when they are producing resources , are they still marketing them in the same way , or have they honed in to just LinkedIn ? More so because they're saying that's what works , or do ?

Speaker 1

they still have kind of a broad approach , still a broad approach . They're still on every platform and still promoting across every platform , but absolutely , absolutely , they have zeroed in on LinkedIn . It's a wonderful tool that they still haven't fully tapped . Quite honestly , it's where we see the greatest engagement now and that's really what we're going for .

We don't want to just be able to say back to this client look , we got X number of eyeballs on it .

We literally are tracking against how many people went to the website , downloaded the tool , how many people are sharing the tool , and so we're looking at that next level down , the effect of the resources we're creating , and time and time again , we're seeing that LinkedIn has the greatest possibility here .

Awesome , but I'll share since the beginning , we've had 175% community growth , all through our strategic digital engagement , and it's really that listening that was central to it . Right , like we could have come out day one , dana , and just said we're going to push , push , push , push as much as we can .

But the more we listened and then refined the strategy , the more we saw those numbers increase .

Speaker 3

And how did you do the original survey research ? How did you collect that data ?

Speaker 1

So it was once that newsletter was being built , the newsletter list was being built and we engaged our partners to push out a link . Yeah , it was an online survey . Okay , I should say Dana , there are moments when we did deep dive focus groups , but the vast majority of the research has been digital online surveys .

Speaker 3

Digital online surveys . Okay , was there a specific tool that you used to conduct the surveys that you like ?

Speaker 1

Many of the times , I think actually , quite honestly , they were Google . They were like Google forms and Google surveys .

Speaker 3

Yeah , I asked that because I think sometimes we tend to overcomplicate something and it doesn't need to be that way , especially for the end user . Like if it's especially something that they've seen before , there's that credibility , there's that trust . So I love that . That was your user Like .

If it's especially something that they've seen before , there's that credibility , there's that trust . So I love that . That was your answer . Like , don't complicate it with anything that needs to be .

Speaker 1

No , we didn't hire a third party research firm to go out and do this . I mean , some of our partners at the collaborative were doing their own research that way . I don't want to discount the importance of that research , but , yes , we were looking for real-time answers from frontline communicators and we had to get them in the moment , knowing that

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sometimes we would literally only have a moment of their time right , so we couldn't make it complicated .

Speaker 3

Awesome , Awesome , so cool . What a great case study . Thank you so much for sharing that and I think this is absolutely , we were saying , relevant anyone that is trying to educate somebody about something quite honestly , and the power of listening and taking a pulse on those responses . I love it , Carrie .

I wanted to lean into the last couple of questions of our conversation today , and that is what is one thing that you would like to ask for help or support on what ?

Speaker 1

is one thing that you would like to ask for help or support on .

So one thing I would like to ask for help on maybe is a broad question of I would love , as we are coming into this consequential year , what this case study did for me is had us challenge a lot of our biases right , like there's not one way to communicate , there's not one right way to do something .

I would love the folks who are listening right now to challenge their biases in the year ahead and their communications right . So think about if you are on autopilot and one way you're communicating , whether that's you use one channel specifically or you use a set of words specifically . Challenge them right .

I invite you to challenge the way you communicate in the year ahead .

Speaker 3

Ooh , that's a good one . I love it , thought provoking . I do want to ask people how they can reach you , and then I have one more kind of like selfless question . So before we wrap how can they reach you ? How can they learn about Mission Partners ?

Speaker 1

All right , so you can learn about Mission Partners over at missionpartners . There's nocom , just missionpartners . You can learn all about our work there . If you want to reach out to me directly LinkedIn , I'm there all the time . You can engage with me , kari Fox PR or email Kari at missionpartners .

Speaker 3

Awesome . And then my last question , which is a selfish one , but I think , listener , you can probably also relate to this , whether you're in year one , four or 25 of your career journey , in business , year seven with mission partners , vision of like , reflecting back on how it's grown , where it's going , what's your advice and reflection on like the next ?

I don't even want to go too far , but the next like three years .

Speaker 1

Yeah , so you and I , right , we came to market the same year and the same moment , and what I did ? So Mission Partners is my second firm . I had an agency for about 13 years before this . I opened Mission Partners with a very clear focus of leading everything we do at this company through our values .

Our values are really clear , right , they are public as it relates to our B Corp certification , and we have surpassed every goal we set for ourself by this seventh year .

And so when we think about where we are and where we're going , we're continuing to say , as a women-owned agency , now we tend to hold ourselves back , right , we tend to think I might not be ready to take that leap yet . Well , this year we've made some of our biggest goals yet and we're going to continue to reach for those .

So , while you might not know our name or our work , as you're listening , I tend to think that over the next few years , you're going to hear more from mission partners . You're going to learn more from mission partners and think about how we can serve as your partner in helping you move your agency and your work forward .

Speaker 3

I love it . I'm so excited for everything that you've built and are growing and I just love to see every time I go , follow her on LinkedIn , go listen to her podcast , mission Forward .

Speaker 1

Mission Forward . Yep , missionforwardus is the site and we're going to have you on very soon . So we can push everyone over to hear you over on our channel .

Speaker 3

Yes , awesome , keri thank you for everything you do and thank you so much for being here .

Speaker 1

Thanks , dana , love your work . Thanks for having me .

Speaker 2

Can you tell I love talking all things digital To make this show better . I'd be so grateful for your feedback . Leave a review , Take a screenshot of this episode , share it on Instagram stories and tag positive equation with one E so I can reshare and connect with you .

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