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Best of: 5 Things Nonprofit Marketers Need to Hear Right Now

Oct 25, 202324 minEp. 96
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Episode description

Get ready for some motivation and timely wisdom as we head into giving season from four of our amazing guests, plus a bonus tip from me that you won’t want to miss!

We'll throw light on the power of understanding culture, the impact of novelty in marketing, and how a simple website hack could make a HUGE impact in boosting your online donations.

Floyd Jones energizes us with a message about staying donor-focused. It can shift your perspective from the “moment” to the movement of your cause. 

Be inspired by Marcus Collins as he introduces us to his framework for finding true believers and cultivating enduring relationships. 

Allow Jenny Nuccio's heartwarming message to uplift you, reminding us all how significant our work truly is. 

In a world where attention spans are shrinking, Vik Harrison offers her 3-part marketing strategy designed to help you think differently. We'll delve into a unique example of how an unconventional visual display at Saks Fifth Avenue was used by charity: water to make an impact.

As we prepare to enter a season where we can feel burnt out, tired, and stretched, hopefully, this episode will offer inspiration and encouragement.


Resources & Links

Follow this episode’s amazing contributors: Floyd Jones, Dr. Marcus Collins, Jenny Nuccio, and Vik Harrison.

Tune in to hear the full episodes featuring these guests:

Think Beyond the Moment & Focus On Your Movement This Giving Season with Floyd Jones

How Culture Influences Marketing with Dr. Marcus Collins

1 Website Update That Can Drastically Reduce Conversions

Embracing the Wild Journey of Self-Publishing with Jenny Nuccio

The 3-Step Marketing Engine Every Org Should Use with Vik Harrison

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Transcript

Digital Strategies for Nonprofits and Impact

Speaker 2

Hey there , you're listening to the Missions to Movement podcast and I'm your host , dana Snyder , digital strategist for nonprofits and founder and CEO of Positive Equation . This show highlights the digital strategies of organizations making a positive impact in the world . Ready to learn the latest trends , actionable tips and the real stories from behind the feed ?

Let's transform your mission into a movement . Hello , happy nearly end of October . What , what in the world ? How did this year fly by so quickly ? I don't know . It's a blur . It's a blur .

I have had some of the most fabulous conversations this year with guests coming onto the show , and I thought it was due time as we head into the busiest season of the year that also just continues to fly by as the holidays happen . I wanted to do a little compilation episode .

I thought there were so many incredible episodes and nuggets from them that I wanted to bring a few together that I think are fitting for this season that we are entering in , where we can feel burnt out , tired , stretched , hopefully maybe a little bit inspired . Along with that , too , I feel encouraged .

I have pulled together five little nuggets from previous episodes and I wanted to give you a little bit of a peek of what they're going to be . Before we dive into the episode , you are going to hear from Floyd Jones . You're ready to be motivated ? How to focus on the movement of what you're doing and see beyond just the moment of the craziness ?

How to switch your energy this giving season to see different and feel different results ? You'll also hear from Marcus Collins . He is the author of For the Culture , a book I highly recommend , a must read . What is his framework ? To find your congregation , your believers ?

How do we go about finding people in the world that see the world like us , to bring them called into our mission and what we do ? Jenny Nuccio a message of encouragement and talking about the micro moments .

How do you work as an organization to push past the nose which can feel so heavy and remind yourself that you're enough and there's greatness in what you're doing ? Being Queen Vic Harrison , how do you captivate the complete stranger using her three part marketing engine we talk about ?

We believe that people are out there wanting to hear our stories , but the fact is we are slammed in our daily lives . How do we break into that noise ? There will be a little snippet from me too , from a solo episode sharing what is one simple website update to make right now . That can make a huge impact and difference in increasing your online donations .

All of the original episodes will be linked in the show notes for you to check out as well . I hope you enjoy this compilation episode of some of the most fascinating , brilliant , kindhearted people I have met throughout doing this podcast . I hope you enjoy . Let's go ahead and dive in and take a listen .

Speaker 1

Our friends that we are from can always say build for the believers . And , baby , this is how you want to do it . You need to build for the believers . You need to get them out on your mission again . You need to bring your mission to life again .

You need to bring your cause front row , in center , because so many different things are trying to take your attention of your donors . But you need to get right back into the attention , right back into the center and right back to the heart of the matter , and that is what I want to focus on this season .

Speaker 2

I think you just need an SMS , daily motivational text . Actually , it has to be audio you need to have a daily audio message that you get to send out , which is so true . Okay , so this leads perfectly actually into question B . How do you switch that fundraising mindset ? How do you get into that energy flow ?

Speaker 1

First of all , it's about scarcity , I mean how do you do it ? personally . Right , we'll try to have a deep breath . You gotta take a deep breath . Here's the thing . I mean this seriously . So many of us focus on the moment . We focus on the moment .

We say , okay , I gotta do this thing , I just gotta make it to December 31st , I gotta just finish this campaign , I gotta finish this event . And we're focused on the moment and you are going to get burned out if you're only focusing on the moment . How many times do we see organizations recreating the wheel ?

I love your whole brand about monthly sustainers and monthly donors and building that out . Because you are thinking about beyond the moment and you're thinking about come on the movement , hello , or podcast shout out . Okay , we're talking about how are you building the movement , and not the moment .

Okay , if you're only focusing on the moment , you're only focusing on this one campaign . If you're focusing on the movement , then you're focusing on how am I cultivating my donor ?

Speaker 3

How am I gonna ?

Speaker 1

cultivate my person . How am I gonna focus less on the revenue I get now and more on the relationship for the long haul ? How do I focus less on what is this new strategy and I'm thinking about ? What's the actual story that I'm trying ?

Speaker 2

to tell right .

Speaker 1

How do I focus not on the donation , but actually on the donor right ? How do I focus on the person and build it for the long haul ? Not just the person , the donor , but also the constituent right and the cause that you're trying to alleviate and focus on right ? That is so incredibly important and what I really wanna focus on .

And let's get back to the heart . Like I said , we gotta get back to the heart of the matter . That's how you switch your mindset right . I get tired , true child . I want everybody's podcast . I'm talking about another thing , but I'm saying no , no , no , no , no , no . I'm not just doing this episode . It is more than missions to movement .

This is how do I think about the end listener .

Speaker 3

How do I ?

Speaker 1

focus on the person who is listening on their walk and they're going on their walk talking about . I need more strength on this readiness campaign . I'm trying to speak to you . I'm trying to talk to that thing , right ? I'm trying to talk to that person , right , Because guess what If one person gets inspired ? And they can

Power of Culture and Psychology

activate it in their organization . Think about the person on the other side .

Speaker 2

I think , for listeners , if you're like , how do I figure this out for us , how do I put this in practice for us ? And I think that's always what I wanna try and get across and you leave a beautiful framework and I'm gonna share it . So listen or get ready to write this down , and then you can feel free to iterate on it or add some color to it .

But essentially is this sentence saying I am a member of the link which is name of tribe . We believe blank , which is shared belief . Therefore I blank behavior norm . So you give an example . I don't know if you wanna share your specific example , but what is an example of this being spelled out ?

Speaker 3

Sure . So think about this . I'm a Collins , my name is Marcus Collins . I'm a Collins . We believe family or church come first . Therefore , sunday mornings I'm in the church sanctuary . Otherwise I get a passive , aggressive call from my mother . It says how was your morning , marcus ?

And then it's like there were no stone tablets in our basement that we signed in blood Say we're going to church . It's just what we do . They're expectations of us . So we think about our organization , our company , our constituents . As a politician or a leader or a manager or a marketer , the ultimate we're trying to do is how do we see the world ?

And who see the world like us ? Because if we know how people see the world , it is going to be predictive of what they're going to do . Because , as you open it up , dana , there's no force more influential than culture and that framework . People like me do something like this Because we believe a thing that framework .

It dictates almost all the decisions that we make , whether we're content of them or not .

And as we as leaders , as marketers , as managers , activists , as politicians , as clergy , even as parents , the more that we understand this , the more likely we are to harness its power to get people to adopt behavior , and that's what the whole focus of the book is how to help people , get people to move .

Speaker 2

The tip I'm going to share with you today stems from being in the midst of my monthly Giving Mastermind program right now , and part of that process is I go through online donation audits with each organization , and what that means is I act as if I am a donor , going to their website on mobile and on desktop to see the two different experiences and seeing what

it's like to make a one-time gift . And would this also be a good experience , a good tool for recurring giving as well ? Now , the word that I see on nearly every button to ask for a gift is donate . Now you might be thinking well , dana , that's not really a shocker , because that's what I want someone to do .

But think about the mentality someone is in when they're preparing to make a gift . Do you want them to be thinking about what they're giving , which is money usually , or the impact they're creating ? Now , this is key , I'll say it again Do you want them to be thinking about what they're giving Money , or the impact they're creating ?

And now think about this Since we were kids , we have wanted to press that elevator button or flip that light switch right . Anytime there's been some sort of gadget , we've always wanted to press on it and your brain wants to click on something because it wants to know what happens next .

And , believe it or not , there's actually a lot of psychology that goes into creating a clickable button .

There's color when I was working at the agency world in New York City , we received a whole big document I'm talking about like 50 pages from a review of tests with the different political parties and there were so many different button tests of colors and shapes and placements and that's kind of what I'm drawing to .

Here is the testing element that goes into this , and I read a really interesting article from media training that stated the human mind is wired in a way that allows certain colors and shapes to subliminally create different moods and emotions without a person consciously realizing it .

So I want to read this list of colors and what moods and emotions they tend to induce , as you can think about . Is this the type of mood I'm trying to induce with my button when it's clicked upon ? So red is power and confidence , green is peace , calmness , growth .

Black is professionalism , white is simple and clean , blue is stability and trust , yellow is warmth , joy , positivity , very interesting . Orange is friendliness , energetic , and purple is luxurious and creative . So hopefully this is making you think like oh , what's the color of our button right ? Does it align with the way you want the human brain to process it ?

During our monthly giving mastermind program we really think about how can we make each of the buttons tied to the desired outcome . So one monthly giving program example is from Leap . One of my favorite nonprofits that I've worked with shout out to Cindy .

Their mission is to diversify the legal profession and give underrepresented students the support and mentorship they need to attend law school and become agents of social change . So their monthly giving program that we came up with through the program is called the bench . So one of our buttons reads save my seat on the bench .

Not become a monthly donor or give or donate , but something empowering Save my seat on the bench right . Taking an action . Another example I always like to use IJM as an example International Justice Mission . Their mission is to rescue people from modern day slavery .

And if you go to their website , on the very front home page , instead of donate or give , the button on their home page reads send rescue . That's directly speaking to the action you're creating by giving your gift right .

Other examples that I just kind of like brainstorm and made up that are more cause-based are help free the innocent , provide nourishment , help build a home , provide a house , clean the streets , gift a meal .

Now , other examples that don't have a direct tie to the cause but are still impactful could be I'm ready to blink , I want in , I'm in , I'm ready , let's go , I'm all in . So you see , these are all very actionable statements and on my own website , if you go to positive equation dot com , you will see action statements throughout my entire site .

Starting on my homepage , I share two main options to work with me . One is through my courses teaching , social media ads , and that button reads get started with ads , so again , action based . Or to join my monthly giving mastermind program , and that button reads yes , I want a monthly giving program .

So speaking to the needs of whatever that individual is looking for . One other place that I've made a really conscious effort to update my call to action buttons is on my speaker page After each signature keynote that I have listed . Each call to action is different . I don't say learn more , click here , nothing like that . They read yes , this sounds great .

Spot on what we need . I'm ready to be moved . Yes , please book now , right . So do you see the difference that these can make and , like the power of , there's a little bit more of like a dopamine hit , a little bit of excitement when you're clicking on these because like , oh , what's happening next , like I am so amped to go to this next step .

So my homework for you , if you will , is take five minutes combing through your website and write down all of the different buttons that you have on your website and check what does the color mean ?

Power of Novelty in Nonprofit Marketing

Is the placement okay ? Maybe ? How can I make this one more impact driven and brainstorm a few options .

Speaker 4

I mean , the world is harsh . So part of my journey , I just had so many nose for so long . I would say in the last two years I've gotten a lot of great yeses and people finally being like whoa , I see what you're doing , but that took time to build something and for people to see that traction .

And so in those weeds , like I think we just need to be reminded that we are enough . We were made with beautiful talent . We are capable to bring something great into this world , but it does take time and obedience and discipline .

And I think in this day of age you know , we live in just this instant gratification of like we want to see it happen overnight and the truth is it's not going to happen overnight . Like there's not a big break . Like people are like oh , when'd you get your big break ? I'm like we're still in it .

There's these beautiful micro moments of wins that we want to remember to not like miss and celebrate , cause I think also as entrepreneurs , we move , move , move and we forget to celebrate in those wins right when they happen , cause we're just like oh , that was great , check , now we're moving to the next big win , and I think we just need to learn how to

celebrate a little more in the process . But there's not this like oh my gosh , this big thing , or going viral , whatever that might look like , the truth is the majority of us I mean , yeah , we're in it and we have to push through .

So I want the book to be an inspiration of that , to remind you that like you have a tribe out there and you're not alone in that . But also totally agree , yeah , yeah , and I think what I hope for also in the tour is , again , the tour itself is going to be an experience .

We are borrowing a trailer from our friend , susie pink Airstream trailer , and we are wrapping that . That's going to be our pop-up shop . So there's going to be like pop-up shop . There's going to be like interactive things .

We're going to have live music and we just again I'll speak for 0.5 seconds Like I don't want the light on me , I want it on you and like whoever's a part of it to experience something really beautiful , and so that is all like being ideated now and like created .

But yeah , so I think , if you're just in it , if you're dreaming big and you want to do something good in this world , and you know that well , I'm reminding you right now that you are talented and you are enough . I think this book will just reaffirm that .

Speaker 2

So I want to dive through this three-part marketing engine because I think it's a really great starting point and foundation for beginning to think differently . Which is really important is to have a different mindset around marketing . To start with , captivate of this engine .

There's another phrase that I like that you explain , which is how do we captivate the lizard brain of someone ? We're all running a million miles a minute , doing a million things . So much noise , so many marketing messages out there . The short-term attention span how do we really captivate people through marketing content at that first level ?

Speaker 5

Yeah , so I get pretty nerdy and like scientific about it , even though my brain doesn't naturally go there , but it is all kind of rooted in human biology and science to an extent .

Essentially , we are all kind of walking around the world looking for a dopamine hit , and that's why we are on social media , that's why we engage with hundreds of pieces of content every day .

And , as you think about , the big priority that we all have and this is the first part of the marketing engine in our marketing roles is to get more traffic to our nonprofit right , to get more eyeballs on what we're doing , and that's the first part of the three part engine is how do you captivate the complete stranger , somebody who's never heard of you ?

You have one opportunity , one chance to get their attention , to keep it long enough , just a few seconds , so that they become somebody who is interested . And I think as nonprofits we are often too close to our own work . We

Unconventional Visual Display at Saks

believe people are better than they are . Unfortunately , we believe people are all out there wanting to hear about a story of a woman from Uganda or wanting to hear about how we procure bags of sand so we can drill wells and create the projects we create . The truth is people are going around worried about their everyday lives .

They're taking their kids to soccer , they are busy , they're late for work and sometimes they sit down on the couch and they just start scrolling through their feet to get a little bit of a relief . And we all do that and that's just the reality .

And I don't think I think that the very noble side of us wants to believe that that's not how we want to engage with our community , with the world , but the truth is people are all scrolling on their phones . So your objective , the smart marketer , needs to understand this concept that I teach , which is people are good but people are lazy , right , like ?

People want to view themselves as somebody who gives to non-profit , who cares about all of these big global issues , but at the end of the day , they are going about their everyday lives and your job is to kind of appeal to the laziest person , like if you think of the laziest person who wants to view themselves as a giver , but it's just like I do not want

to expand any amount of mental energy learning about your non-profit . So show me something fun , show me something engaging , show me something different and quirky , and that's how we need to think about this is that person's brain gets a dopamine hit when they see something novel Like novelty is the number one driver of captivation .

If you want to captivate somebody , you got to think different .

Speaker 2

You gave a great example in your training of what you did at Charity of Water as novelty , can you explain what that example was ? Was ?

Speaker 5

it about the Jerry cans of the window and some of the other things .

Speaker 2

Yeah , the Saksha Avenue , yeah .

Speaker 5

Yeah , so there are seven captivation triggers that I kind of teach in the course and it's loosely based on the book Captivology by Ben Parr , where he talks about the lizard brain . The most primitive part of our brain reacts to , is captivated by these seven triggers , even before our logical brain has time to catch up .

And some of those triggers are novelty , specificity , authenticity . So anytime you can be really specific , right ? So instead of saying together we can help end the hunger crisis , you know you can say like $7.50 will achieve X .

If you can just get specific about some part of your culture , actually some part of your storytelling technique , that's going to attract more people . That is just going to peak people's curiosity , because we're all curious creatures . So an example for us early on at Charity Water , when we were , we were just trying to get the word out there .

Probably year one , year two , as an organization , we had the opportunity to partner with Saksha Avenue and they allowed us on Fifth Avenue in New York City , their flagship store , to take over the windows of Saks Fifth Avenue , which are like pretty iconic in New York City , and this was before we even knew about like the science of captivating attention , but we

just knew that we needed to grab people's attention and we needed to do something that was really unexpected and novel .

Speaker 2

So we kind of Especially with New Yorkers who are heads down on their phones . Absolutely . I don't know the year of this , but maybe they were heads down on phones .

Speaker 5

I know we all had Blackberries back then . This would have been 2007 . But yeah , of course New Yorkers are busy , they're running around , they're going to work , and we were really using the psychology of the novelty trigger here without knowing that at the time . But we put you know . We said what are people used to seeing in the Saks Fifth Avenue ?

New stores , handbags , nice outfits , high heeled shoes . Let's put dirty jerry cans that look like fuel containers and put them in the windows in really interesting , creative ways . We put actual wells in the windows and then behind it we had some photos of kids drinking clean water , kids drinking dirty water .

But the focus wasn't on this like expected charity imagery . The focus was on these big , giant , yellow dirty cans that people only have context for as carrying fuel , and so that was just a really easy way to get people to stop and look and do a double take on the streets of Fifth Avenue , because it's something they weren't used to seeing before .

Speaker 2

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