¶ Attracting Corporate Partners Through Content
So the way to get people to listen to you is they have to know you , or you know each other , or , if they don't know who you are at all , you need to know who they are , at least their company , and so that's the piece of writing , the first cold email that really gets them to open . It is showing some knowledge of who their company is .
Hey there , you're listening to the Missions to Movements podcast and I'm your host , dana Snyder , digital strategist for nonprofits and founder and CEO of Positive Equation . This show highlights the digital strategies of organizations making a positive impact in the world . Ready to learn the latest trends , actionable tips and the real stories from behind the feed ?
Let's transform your mission into a movement . Hello listener , it is so good to be with you here today If you're listening live , having hopefully a very wonderful Wednesday . I am joined today with a second time guest , chris Barlow . Welcome back to the show , man .
Thank you so much , dana . It's great to be on again . It's an honor actually .
Yes , it's so good to see you . For those of you that did not listen to the first episode that we had , which you guys should definitely go back and listen , I will drop it into the show notes . At that time , we were talking about Google ads and everything around the Google ad grant and some very clever examples that Chris shared with us .
But can you give us a little bit of a background into your brilliance , that is , your role as the founder and customer happiness director at Beeline .
Maybe I've said a little bit about this before . But I started Beeline kind of without a clear plan of where I wanted to focus , but knew I wanted to do something impactful and just talk to a local nonprofit that I knew this and I said , hey , you guys have the grant , can I just help you guys run it and get some experience under my belt ?
And that eventually turned into them saying we've got budget for this , we want to pay you to do this and expand what you're doing . And they referred me to other nonprofits and so kind of happily fell into the nonprofit sector . I've always been a people pleaser and so that's why customer happiness director is my title Cause that's kind of what drives me .
That's also a fault , because sometimes it's better for someone , like it's for their ultimate good , not to please them . It's to , you know , do something more important for them . So it's both a strength and a weakness .
Yeah , I love it . I love it Well , so glad that you're here and that you did fall into that work because you've helped so many organizations , and I'm pretty sure we reconnected at the Neo Summit when I was coming out of maternity leave wildness and didn't realize that you have seven kids . I have one over here and I feel like it's madness .
I don't know how you do it , but one thing that I love in your bio is that you say you try to teach them how to live in a way that multiplies good in others , and I love this For a new mom over here and listeners . Do you have any practical tips for us on how you do that ?
Sure , I mean this could be a whole episode unto itself , but I can just share one little anecdote . So my wife created this system to encourage them to do chores , and it's a system where they get mama bucks and so when they do a chore they get a certain number . It's a fixed amount , they know . So these mama bucks are worth 25 cents each .
So they can convert them to real money or they can use them to buy stuff from the mom's store . There's a box that she , that Lydia , has , with gum and journals and pens and snacks , and so they can use their money to buy stuff from that store .
Well , at the end of this year and at the end of 2022 , we told them if there is a nonprofit or cause you want to donate to , you can donate your mama bucks and we will match them . One mama buck for a dollar . So if you give 50 , we'll donate $50 .
And so all of the kids wanted to do that and all of them contributed , and a couple of them gave like almost all of their mama bucks , and it was just like so humbling and inspiring to see them do that .
I love that . That's amazing . Did they all choose different charities or did they collectively all want to give to the same ?
They basically picked two or three . They picked one that helps with poor families in Guatemala that are in a situation where they have finding it trouble to care for , like their newborn , and then they did another human trafficking one .
Oh my gosh , that's so cool . Thank you for sharing that . I love that idea . When Kennedy grows and gets older , we definitely want to institute something like that . It'd be really cool .
Okay , so let's dive into the goodness today , which we're going to talk about a case study all about attracting corporate partners and , specifically , in 30 days , with just two cold emails . Chris , will you break down this process and how you used it with a couple of clients of yours ?
Yeah , absolutely so . The key to getting a corporate partner is to think about what do companies want ? And if you want to get someone to say yes , then offer them something they already want . That's the high level , simple summary . But you need to start thinking about who do we want to partner with , and I think a lot of nonprofits start with .
Well , who are the big companies , the Fortune 500 companies ? They're really well known and we know they give money and stuff and there's nothing wrong with that . It's good to be ambitious and they do have money to give . But I also think it's important to start with identifying the companies who have some values alignment .
So we've worked with a human trafficking nonprofit and we thought about , well , who are the kinds of companies who would really value what they do , and we identified some different sectors , like companies that do like apps for parents to protect them from online like dangers and that kind of stuff .
We thought about attorneys and law firms that prosecute human traffickers . And again we're thinking about companies who would have both values , alignment , and might have programs or the money to just support the organizations .
But rather than saying , okay , let's think about how we can pitch these companies to sponsor us , which , again , those companies might be thinking about that and might want to do that , but they still don't know who you are . We're thinking about what do those companies want to do , naturally all the time . So let's take a step back .
The first thing to do is just make a list of these companies as many as you can , start with 20 , start with 50 , like somewhere in that range and I just identify them based on the values overlap .
If you see them living those values out , like you see that they do volunteer days or that they talk about social media , like some gifts that they've done or any programs , if they have that , that's great , they didn't have to have that .
But and then obviously , like the company size the larger the company or the more employees or the more customers they have , the more revenue they have , like those things are obviously indicative of whether they can support you . But that shouldn't stop you from reaching out to a small company .
Say they have a million in revenue , like they can still support you , your organization , in a meaningful way . So it doesn't really matter , as long as there's some values overlap . That's the primary thing For sure . Once you've made that list , then you want to look , and part of what you're looking at , too , is does the company ?
What kind of marketing do they do and , specifically , what kind of content do they have ? Do they have a blog ? Do they post on social media ? Do they have content , offers on their site or video or anything like that , where they're using their expertise to share and attract an audience and help educate people ?
Because , ultimately , like , the first step in this building a relationship with a new corporate partner , in my opinion , in my experience , is to build a content collaboration of some kind .
Yes , love this .
So , for example , we worked with a food bank and they needed to create a piece of content to offer their audience and to grow their own audience and subscriber list , and we came up with all kinds of different ideas of what they could do , but we ended up with centering around a recipe book for the holidays , because I was very closely tied to their mission and
so , rather than them just like taking recipes off any website or what they already knew , or even from their own , sourcing it from their own audience or network , they reached out to celebrity chefs and influencers , people who had shows on the food network , and we just asked will you donate , quote , unquote the couple of these recipes that are already on your
website to our piece of content ? And we're going to give you a page in this recipe book that features you , that will link directly to your Amazon recipe book and we'll tell people all about you . So each contributing chef is going to get a featured page in this recipe book and for all of them it was an easy slam dunk .
Yes , because they're like go for it , use the recipes on my site that I've already published . Right , and you can do that in any industry . It doesn't really matter In reaching out for this human trafficking organization . We mentioned an interview that the app company , the software company , the parental protection you know kid protection app .
We just referenced an interview that one of them had done with Drew Barrymore and like this is great and we'd love to feature your knowledge and a piece of content that we want to create ,
¶ Cold Email Outreach Strategies and Tips
or referencing a blog post . You can just ask , like you can ask them to help and collaborate with you , or you can repurpose something that they've already created , like this recipe book that I just mentioned .
When you have this list and you're talking about and you specifically mentioned marketing , when you have your list , are you looking to build the contact list from somebody who's ideally in the marketing department for your outreach ?
Yes . So instead of going to the person who's in charge of corporate sponsorships or corporate giving like every other nonprofit and you're competing for their attention , you're going to someone in the content marketing team , someone who's in charge , like has some responsibilities in the area .
What's so cool about this is you're offering , like saying hey , we want to feature your subject matter expertise and help you put your content to a different audience in a different format , in partnership with our nonprofit .
And for the marketing person whose responsibility it is to get their content out there , to come up with creative new ideas like this is an easy win for them , because they want to do that anyway what's your recommendation on finding those people to do the outreach ? Great question .
So I would say , first , once you have that company , I would go to LinkedIn , try to find someone who has that marketing title , or go to the company's website . A lot of times they'll list their employees and positions . And then there are a bunch of different resources and tools you can use to get their email address . A great one I recommend is hunterio .
You can just type in the company's domain name and it'll give you the format of the email , so like does this company use first initial last name at , or do they use full name dot last name ? However , it'll just give you the format and then you can figure out their email address from there and it's very accurate .
I think I used to use Rocket Reach .
Yep , that's another one .
It's another tool I used to use . So , yeah , so Hunterio , rocket Reach is another one . I think , rocket Reach . I would enter a LinkedIn URL and it would give me the relevant emails associated with that LinkedIn profile . So I think that's how it worked .
Yeah , and then what I like about Hunterio is you get five free searches per day . At least the last time I used it , oh , amazing . So the free version is plenty .
Fabulous . Okay , so let's say we have our list , we have some contacts . How do we style the first cold ?
outreach . Yeah , and the reason I recommend email is because everyone's got one and the key to getting someone to respond is , you said , like how do you style it ? It's writing a good email that someone wants to respond to . You can also use social media , direct messages .
Those are also effective If you find that you prefer that or that you're not getting a response via email . So again , like you want to start with , I want to style this email in a way that's real , that doesn't sound like I'm spamming them , and one way that emails can sound like spam .
There are so many spam sales emails nowadays Totally Holy moly .
Yeah , and the thing about them is they all try to flatter you . Flattery is not the way to avoid sounding spammy . You can't be like you have the best , I love your stuff . You can say that , but you have to show it . And so there are four parts to the email .
There's the hook , which is essentially your subject line , and the way to get them to open the email for your subject line and first line yeah , like how do you even get them to open it ? Yeah , so with the hook , I like to use their first name in the subject line . That's it Just the first name .
Nothing wrong with that , and the reason I like that is because nowadays every most people use Gmail or Outlook and all of them have the email preview of like what's the first line of the actual email .
I just treat the subject line as the first line of the email and then the first line of the actual email body as the real first line , and I don't put their name again . So I put subject line Dana and then whatever the first line of the email is . There's actually some helpful tools in writing good subject lines .
One of the tools that I use is called it's on OmniSend and it's just called Email Subject Line Tester , and that'll really help you Email .
Subject Line Tester .
Yeah , omnisendcom , it's free . The other thing I just try to think about like , not just like using all the words that you know cause , it's just going to test are you using these , the special format and work Like ? It's more like a tricks . It's like why are you using these tricks ?
But from a principle based perspective , it's am I writing the email in such a way as to get them to want to open it without being clickbaity ? So if you know someone in common , you see that on LinkedIn , like we both hey , dana , we both know this person . You can say that on your first line of your email .
Or I got connected to you through X , or I saw that you went to this event or something about them or about their company with that's relevant Like , don't go to . Like , be too stalkerish and be like whatever . You know how that would feel .
I also like using that LinkedIn .
So something I used to do back when I worked more like in cold sales in corporate , was I would reach out initially on LinkedIn to create the connection and then I would find their email and then I would use the subject line connecting via LinkedIn and that like 10 out of 10 always got an open because they're like oh , we already know each other because we
connected .
That's great . That's great . I love that . I love that .
Another thing that I used to do all the time to get meetings was if I was ever attending a conference in a city where I knew these people lived , I would always send a message to say hey , I'm going to be in town for X , y and Z event . Can we set up a coffee and a quick chat ? And again , same thing .
Nearly like nine out of 10 would be like yeah , absolutely , let's do it .
That's awesome . I love that , even if you end up nowadays meeting with them . Virtually just the fact that you're going to be in their city yes , again , it shows a connection .
It shows like so the way to get people to listen to you is you have to either know them sorry , they have to know you , or you know each other or , if they don't know who you are at all , you need to know who they are , at least their company . And so that's the piece of writing , the first cold email that really gets them to open .
It is showing some knowledge of who their company is Like . Once you get them to open it . The second part piece of the email is called an anchor that's how I call it and basically you need to establish that how you know them and show that .
And so this is the part where a lot of the spam emails are like your blog is the best and we want to help promote it . And instead of saying that , you say something like well , I bought one of your company's products and I left a five-star review , or I left a one-star review , and here's why .
Do you know what a big difference that makes ? I receive so many podcast pitches and nine times out of 10 , they are generic AF . And there recently was one that had somebody wrote a review .
They put a screenshot of the Apple review and it was a very specific pitch showcasing that they actually listened to the show and I responded back and I said your pitch was wonderful . I would love to have your guest on the show , because you actually took the time and the due diligence to actually know what my show is about .
Yes , you know who I am . So exactly exactly An easy one . It's easy but it takes time . You can't just copy and paste this cold email , so you only need to write one or two of them to get a . Yes , but you do need to take the time .
But the easy thing you can do is find a blog post or a video or something that displays the subject matter expertise and share it on your social media and comment on it . Then do exactly what you just said screenshot it and say I really liked this post . I just shared it .
Here's why it's relevant to our organization , or here's why we found it really helpful . So you just show that you appreciate what they have to say . So hook , anchor and then the win . The win is the win for them and what they will get out of this . You're not going to talk about what you want . Who cares what you want ?
They're going to assume that you're going to get something out of it , or you can talk about that if you get a meeting with them . But the win for them . I like to start this with a very simple sentence because of why I thought we could do Z . So because your company cares about this or because your team posts about this .
I thought we could collaborate to create a resource on this . Because you have these recipes on your site , I thought we you might be able to donate them to our recipe book that we're giving away to our donors .
Yes .
So because of this , I thought we could do this . That's the win , and we'd love to feature your knowledge , something along those lines .
To piggyback on . This is exactly what I do with podcast partners is I always look at and I always ask when we get on the phone , like what are your business goals ? What are you working on right now ? And then I'm listening for cues and I say , okay , very close , because you're working on this . I would recommend we partner in this way .
These are like the assets that I have to offer that would compliment what you're trying to achieve with Blink . So , a hundred percent . And I think the big thing that's happening there is that , yes , they can provide some creativity back to you and you can brainstorm together , but you are giving them the idea they already have so many things on their plate .
You are presenting them with something , an idea that you already have thought about . Like , I never launch a call and not know what I'm going to offer . I already have an idea of what it is that I have , knowing my research of what's going on with their organization and if they say something new .
Great example I just had a wonderful conversation with Good United and I saw that they had an event and it's coming up soon , so I thought they would definitely already be full on speakers . So I thought , well , I could just help promote you with the show . But I was like , hey , are you also looking for speakers ?
And he goes yeah , actually we have spots available . Oh , okay , well , I can do that too . And then it led to like three different ways of us partnering together . So just listening , for how can you really authentically help each other out ? Yes , we still need speaker spots . Oh , I can fill that void for you . Great , further partnership happening .
So I love that
¶ Building Content Partnerships for Long-Term Success
like it's generic , it's not like something , a specific idea for me , and again , it doesn't have to be the perfect idea , it doesn't have to be what you end up doing , but it needs to show , like , here's something I can bring to the table , here's something else , and so you're asking for this specific piece of content from them , or we want .
I thought we could create a guide on how to help parents protect their kids from predators online . That's what we're creating and we'd love your you know something specific that you want them to contribute to or help with . And then , finally , our ask is a yes or no question Are you interested , or can we get on a call ? That's it . Don't make them think .
Make it as easy as possible . Don't go into the details of , like , how we're going to do this meeting , and just say yes , like , are you interested ? Because if they say yes , then you can set up your call and talk through the details .
Just make it really easy for them to say yes or no , and if you're already offering them what they want and it's relevant , they're going to say yes .
But what if you get the dreaded no response ? What is the second email entail ?
Like a follow-up . So if they just say flat out no , I would respect that and you know you could ask them like would there be a better time ? I rarely get no . I feel like when I get no I look back and look at my pitch and I didn't pitch really well .
No is fine , because it's a response .
Yes , no is fine too .
If they don't respond at all . What's your suggestion on step two ?
Yeah . So step two is I always send a follow-up three days later with just a little bump like , hey , just did you get this email ? Or bumping this to the top of your inbox , or what did you think about this ? One line , one single sentence , just giving you a reminder , Cause a lot of times people are just busy and it's just you hit them at a bad day .
I think this happened with us and scheduling this interview ? Yeah , probably . Yeah , I think you had to bump me a couple of times . Yeah .
Yeah , but see , like you didn't mind , I wasn't , I didn't like spam you with bumps and like the thing is yeah , so like you send the first bump a few days later and then , if you , occasionally , I'll send another like follow up with , like reiterating , because of this , I thought we could do this maybe a week later .
So sometimes it'll take three , but almost , I would say like 90% of the time , if you're going to get a yes , you'll get a yes , the first email or the first follow-up , and then occasionally that if you do a third follow-up and then if you don't hear from them , like you could try again . Try again in six months or something , if you want .
I think what's cool about this whole concept is we're so used to sending pitches for corporate partners for something singular like a gala , and instead of thinking about it in that way , we're thinking about it in the terms of what you're talking about is a content partnership .
How can you build out something that has longer legs and that you can do maybe multiple times a year ? That creates a longer partnership . Something else that I think we downgrade a lot is you , as an organization listener , have an email list , you have social channels , you have an audience .
Maybe you have a podcast , maybe you also have yes , you do have these events that happen . You have these things that you can offer that can also create opportunities for them to be featured . I even like the idea of pitching email space like a nonprofit email space for a monetary exchange as well . I think that would be interesting . Or like a trade ?
Do you mean like letting them , like putting something about the company in your emails ?
Yeah , Is that what you ?
mean yeah , yeah , totally .
Or like an email series sponsored by , maybe the headers like with the sponsor and it's themed on something that's a content play . They're providing valuable information , but they're paying you for it . That's an interesting way I don't know another way just to like creatively think about partnerships .
Yep . Well , the goal here is to build a relationship with the company , give them a win , do something that they really love and you're building , as you said , a relationship with this company . You're not just saying like , will you give us a gift one time ?
Because really what you want are companies who know you and trust you , who you can approach every year .
And you might not get a gift every year , you might not get a sponsorship , but they know you and they've worked with you before and likely , if you get a sponsorship and they already have a previous relationship with you and they like it's going to continue , you You'll be in their sphere now and one great way to follow up is like you do this collaboration and
oh yeah , and to your point , like you also have the Google grant , you can say we're going to promote this resource with our $10,000 monthly ad grant to people and so this isn't just going to go nowhere . Like we're going to get this . People are going to see your name and that's something that companies can't touch .
Like they might have a $10,000 real marketing budget or more per month , but they still can't touch that . The grant space . That's just a significant amount of leverage you can bring them you can follow up with them , like 30 days after you guys , you know , start putting out your piece of content , like check in with them and say wanted to give you an update .
This is how many people have seen it , this is how many people have downloaded it . And you can , so you have a natural reason to stay connected . And then you can ask , like , instead of again approaching that the person in charge of corporate philanthropy , you can say well , so who's in charge of your company's values ?
Who , like , makes the decisions about how your company lives out those values ? Or another approach , like who in your HR is in charge of employee engagement and helping employees , like , get involved with your values and stuff ? Because there was a recent study shown that I read a couple of years ago .
That was like millennials and is it Gen Z , don't stick with companies more than two or three years if they don't feel like there's a values alignment . And what better way to help a company live out its values by doing this really tangible , like content partnership that doesn't cost them anything . That's just like the first step .
And then you can ask for , basically , an internal introduction . So can you connect me to the person in charge of your corporate philanthropy and so now , instead of just like coming in as an outsider and giving a proposal with 10 other nonprofits proposing them at the same time .
Your marketing person is saying , hey , I want you to talk to this guy at this organization . We worked with them already . Look at this thing we did together . We really need to consider them in our next round of sponsorships .
Yes , I remember when I worked at a PR agency something else that happens we used to have these like state of the states , like lunch and learns , and so you could also pitch yourself as do you have any lunch and learns , where I could come as a guest and speak about either what we just did together and a little bit about what our organization does , and then
PS , do you have any corporate matching ? So then we could announce that we're going to match any of your contributions if you decided to give or become a monthly donor , or X , y and Z . So I love the like . Let's do a content collaboration easy , win-win for both people . It doesn't take a whole lot of resources or time to do it .
Then how do we work internally ? Maybe then we become a fiscal , like monetary , sponsor . I think there's like so many routes there to be able to build a more like established relationship . This is so good , chris . Thank you for sharing this little case study with us today . I want to jump into a section called ask and receive .
If you remember it , I've added a twist question since , which is is there another incredible marketer or organization that you think I should have on the show in future ?
Yeah , I think you should talk to to connected families . They're a nonprofit and they have an email list of 60,000 subscribers and part of their mission is being fulfilled through their email list . So that's one reason it's so big .
It's not just a donor list that's out at large , but they're really really , really good at creating content and serving people through that and meeting people's needs and keeping their audience engaged . They just understand nonprofit marketing really really well .
Yes , would love to talk to them . Thank you so much . Personally , what is one thing that you would like to ask for help or support on ?
Oh man , there's a lot , but I think one thing that's on my mind right now and I need to have a couple like video trainings to watch , but certainly I'm open to input is how to I want to hire a VA virtual assistant and so just like figuring out what I should have , I just know I could use that . I knew it would be really valuable .
I know there's a lot of times I'm doing something I'm like why am I doing this ? I shouldn't be doing this Like . This is not the best use of my time .
I have an incredible VA company that I can share with you . Awesome , awesome , I got you there you go , sweet , perfect , ask and receive . Yes , I love that Done and done . And then , lastly and of course , where can people listen and where can they find you ?
You can reach out to me at team at your beelinecom . I'm happy to just chat with you or give you some ideas . If you're just trying to get started , I'm like who you know for my sector ? What kind of companies should I even start reaching out to ? I can shoot some ideas over to you . You can also find me on LinkedIn and our website , your beelinecom .
Amazing Cool . Chris , thank you so much for joining us again today . Really appreciated it .
Absolutely . Thank you , Dana .
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