Audio Artifact: The FBI Tape

blue backdrop. I've tried to avoid geopolitics on this show. Nine eleven is just as much a human story. It still is. And Afghans so desperate to escape they fall from the sky is no different than an American on nine eleven so desperate to escape they too fell from a pie. Except this could have been avoided. There will be time, endless time for politics. Not now. There is

an ongoing and building humanitarian catastrophe. Literally as I record this, we America have a responsibility to rescue the tens of thousands of Afghans who helped us during the past twenty years and their families. The women activists and l g B t Q, people and journalists who feel dire fear today. We cannot abandon them. This is a podcast. We're not going to change the world, but I know we have heavy listenership in d C and even some listeners in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has fallen, but we cannot abandon the men and women who helped us, their families, the thousands of refugees at the airport right now. We are not al Qaeda. We should not be responsible for such chaos and desperation that people are falling from the sky today. From my Heart Radio, this is Missing on nine eleven, the story of one woman who vanished on the eve of history

and my quest to find her. I'm your host, John Zack, So today a unique and unusual episode We've obtained and will air for the first time FBI audio recorded at the World Trade Center on nine eleven during the attacks. It's the only uninterrupted recording of any kind to capture both plane crashes. Snippets of it have aired before, but never the entire thing. It would be easy for us to cut it down two crashes and screams and cascading debris,

but I want to air everything. It's a piece of history, the final hour of normalcy at the Trade Center and then the attacks. How the audio came to be is interesting in its own right. On nine eleven, around seven am, two FBI agents and a New York City investigator met with an informant named Stephen mcgardell near City Hall, not far from the Trade Center. McCardell was a cooperating witness and a corruption investigation. The agents wired him with a

recorder and separately a transmitter. You'll hear mcgardell walk to the Trade Center, into the mall below the Trade Center. You'll hear the murmurs of mundane life, the clock taking to catastrophe. Six am. McCardell is in the Greenhouse cafe inside the Marriott Hotel between the towers, on a bench in the plaza. Just outside their backs to the north tower are the three investigators, including FBI Special Agent Rodney Miller.

Boom stories. But I've felt the heat like right on the back of my neck, as if it was right there. So I can imagine the amount of flame and zee that was going on within the building itself, that just must have been in an intense fire ball that you would fill it from such far away. Imagine heat on your neck. Look up a skyscraper a quarter mile high in the blue sky, A massive fireball metal and glass rained down on you. It was a very close call.

Vividly one of the other agents that was running to the overhang and like every time steps she ran like a piece of debris with hit like right where a foot picked up from the ground right. So it was just kind of crazy how all that happened. Miller ran into the north tower to a security desk. He called his bosses at the FBI. He stayed in the lobby only ten to twelve minutes, then charged up the stairs.

I get to the eighties six floor, and I'm a man of faith, and I just stopped where I was, and I clearly for the voice of God speak to me, and he said, Rodney, there is no use going any further up. It's time for you to leave and exit the building and just take as many people with you. And it was such a clear voice, because I even remember stopping and turning to the voice, and it was clear,

and it gave me clearance starts. And so I go back down to like the seventy ninth floor, I believe, and right there I see one of the battalion fire chiefs for the New York Fire Department, and I clearly say, hey, sir, this is no use here. We have to get all of our resources and personnel out of here immediately. And as soon as I said that, the north towers started to sway back and forth. I would say it was

almost a two ft sway inside the building. And I believe that swaying was called by the collapse of the south tower. So the south tower was hit second, but collapsed first. So we felt the south tower collapsing, which caused the north tower to sway back and forth. So we hit the ground. We're laying on the ground because the sway is so tremendous. And then at that point the time far achieved, he totally agreed. He was like, right, yeah,

we're We're with you. And right then and there, all the Fire Department personnel just started unhooking their gear, dumping all their oxen and tanks, dumping all the heavy gear, and we just started a race back towards the ground floor, and whoever was still in the stairwell, we just just kind of lifted them up, picked them up or carry

them and then departed the building. And one thing that I vividly recall as I exit the building is this everything is white from the collapse of the first building and the dust, and I'm looking for my supervisor. I'm looking for my fellow agents and personnel. But the scene is totally quiet. It's serene, and everything is covered in white.

As my brain is trying to process what happened. Right then, I'm like, my brain goes, oh, Rodney, watch your step by the way, and I'm like, okay, why do I need to watch my step because I was like, yeah, I don't want to step on that human torso or that head right there. So I don't know if you can imagine that. Right, So I'm on the street. Everything's white, everything's quiet, and then there's body parts strewn all over

the streets. So I walked further up the block. You know, I'm trying to call into my supervisor to the command on my radio. Everything is kind of blacked out. And then three minutes after leaving the North Tower, you know, I'm running to another overhang because the building I was just in is started to collapse. Millard nearly died. The fire department had called the ATBI office and said when's the funeral for the I'm African American? When's the funeral

for the African American ABI agent? And they were like, who are you talking about? He was like the guy who told us to evacuate the building, because if he didn't tell us to evacuate the building, many of us would have died. So we wanted to celebrate or memorialize his funeral. Was like, no, that that guy's Rodney Miller and he's sitting right here. He survived, right And then the FBI was in the dated with a lot of letters from the folks that were in the staircase. You know,

thank you for that agent. You know, if it wasn't for him, I would have made it out. Let me ask you, so, when the plane hit and you were in the plaza, did you see anyone laying injured in the plaza? Did you see anyone who had been immediately killed by debris in the plaza? And then also when you were going down the stairs the last time, how many people were left in the stairwells? Were they pretty empty?

It was pretty empty by that time. You just at so there was no I didn't see anyone that was because the plaza was pretty vacant, and it was fairly hot that day, so it's really you know, not a lot of people were launching around. Was just us out there, so it was pretty vacant. You probably had the research from what the angle the plane came in, but we were out where the plane I guess came out the blasts of the plane coming out, so we didn't see anything,

and it was very desolate at the particular place. And then coming down the staircase was just kind of like the stragglers, just you know, folks who were having trouble, kind of exiting the building a timely matter, But we grabbed all those folks and we exited the building. When you went into the towers immediately after the first plane hit,

did you see any civilians running into the towers? So the story that I'm looking at specifically is this case of this woman who disappeared on September ten, two thousand and one, and she was a doctor and her family theorized that maybe she ran into the towers. Did you see any civilians being called into the towers, any nurses, there's anyone running in as as volunteers or is it mostly just first of s wonders trying to sher people

out of the danger zone. Yeah. Al also is the cops, por authority, police and hypt and far department kind of rushing in. If there were civilians, there were probably more outside at various Triads sites that were very close to the building. This is separate, but one of the interesting things that I learned over the years is that after nine eleven, there was a disposable camera recovered at ground zero with photos taken on the upper levels, and it

was developed by the FBI's explosives unit. Have you ever heard of that? No, I never heard of that. And then so with Stephen, when did you realize that you had this tape that you captured the crashes on tape? And how did the tapes are live? Right? So the recording device itself is pretty uh robust, So it's not like he handles the tape. It's a device that we give them and then that device has to be given back to us and then take and to be downloaded. So it's not a tape. It's more of a digital

device that has to be downloaded. It's funny. It wasn't until weeks after that I was able to reconnect with Steven McCardell, because we didn't know if he had survived himself, but he did check in and said like he was okay. And then it just took weeks because I was assigned doing SWAT stuff. I was temporary assigned to the Joint Terrorism Task Force, So it took a while for us to kind of just reconnect and restart because, as you know, everybody was working terrorism and all these cases that we

worked were kind of put to bed. So it was until we linked up further on down the road. I got the device back, I got it downloaded. This was probably months later. We listened to all the tapes that kind of see what happened, and then we realized, holy crap, Wow, this is important piece of history here, yea. So as I said earlier, we're going to air the entire recording.

If you want, you can skip ahead seventy minutes to the attacks, but I encourage you to listen to everything, close your eyes, immerse yourself eleven seventy minutes until the world changes. Walking toward the trade center in the mall, underneath the trade center in a cafe between the towers. This especially as you're ronning the miller with the public Ruption Squad of the Federal Brew of Investigation. Today's date

is September eleven, the year two thousand one. It's time now is a pastment six am today We'll be doing a consensual body recording between Stephen McCardell and Howard Haveler witnessing this. Uh meat will be special as in Victor Rocho with the FBI and Deputy Spector General Stasi Patel with the New York City Department Investigation. I will now

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group all right. So basically where we're right now is you know, you're you're to uh, we're when easy and where we're wrong, you're all yeah right, he said to go. You don't want to last people, that's all you know again, And even if I had to keep very lively the even thing to be gobless of what's said, that card kind of I need because you can't do anything known to somebody's it sell. Well, that's for me to worry

about it, whether it's sail or not. And if you give me anything more unpleasing right now m D L right would point yet then yet let them be and just sign up. Yeah, so you see it's gonna be a top to yet because because the city has always several years behind the curve and bope and copy owners. Although the rents look good, it's not the same climate out there. Are neat V agency is yet now when

I still paying it, that's over my course. They are they they're still knowing well that the dynamitis exactly the opposite is they work two years above? Yeah, I really much that I didn't mean because you know, I mean just mathematically, I mean, do you work. You're working a year and two thousand numbers now, which is still good relative to year and ninety nine. So that I mean, that's my concerns. I mean, you can't have you know, a twenty pc increase this year is not going to

be in sellable, you know. And if you found three one who is twenty four wool who's uh socus t ah, and you can't be doing anything. We got Sherribans today, but he comishes in the year, right, yeah, yeah, all right, Bob, you go talking Chu stuck keating that mom because true m m, thank you. Yeah, all right, Roy, guess you know you're talk it and we'll get together next week when when it's a meeting, I want to go. I'm not gonna do yesterday the time you can und I

play to us. I'm going back at the chair we play John John gone to comte me. Even I thought, Joe, we we get we talked to If it's Jovid Black actually made Friday, how do you think that it would do goodn't even from personal for me to say, Harry, you know setting the part of um. Yeah, I I I'm telling you I I you know, I'm just gonna just it's just suggests that I see your reason. I haven't cooked up the sound test me. How you know he stopped. He's friendly with you know, like I need

to talk. But if he's not gonna take care of someone, you know, I would appreciate it. You know what songs that I'll get done. So we've gotta talk. I mean, whatever I saw you were gonna talk to him anything, I'm gonna try. You know, if you're gonna talk to him, we're going to better them. M he was in today when it's from seven months ye ye ye yes, So I talked to Mike flight forty five minutes or something like that. You have to frown not much to shoot

the ship. You have more politics than anything. And my posy books. Yeah. He writes some bunks a couple of minutes from you know, close to home. It would set me to would saying time, yeah you yeah, okay, has some nice stop over the year. Chas I have you as of water, please try to thank you who had from you? That was an explosion? That was an explosion. M na get on your get up very easy okay, saw about not never to pay hand my dad very letter many mun do it Chris, mhm, stitch. I was

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